I don't post on this thread often, David, but I enjoy seeing your layout.
York1 John
Two more scenes when running steam trains on 1914/19 layout.
Trains passing in Leeds Sovereign Street Station.
Earlsheaton Junction bound goods train passing Wyndham Farm.
David
To the world you are someone. To someone you are the world
I cannot afford the luxury of a negative thought
The beauty of two layouts on one track plan.
Switch from 1970 to 1914/1919
The early morning passenger train from Earlsheaton Junction to Leeds Central with 'Vivienne' in charge. passing Crown Point Junction. Ash Farm fields and Lake behind.
Passenger and goods trains pass in Leeds Sovereign Street Station.
'Harwood' is in charge of the goods train on its way to Earlsheaton Junction.
Since the dawn of railways Companies (in the UK) had their own style of cattle wagons.
Here is on the left a Leeds Scarcroft & Wetherby Railway cattle wagon. On the right a Lancashire & Yorkshire wagon.
On the left a Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway wagon. On the right a Great Northern Railway wagon. Note the subtle differences between all four.
All four were built to designs between 1898 and 1912. In real life the same designs of wagons were still being built in 1930s and later. Therefore they could be seen in most eras of modeling. These types of wagons were still running in the 1970s. Here is 'cattle' being taken to Leeds Cattle Market.
The remodeling of Crown Point Yard is done. The track is tested and locomotives can now occupy seven roads compared to five previously.
Class 47 47583 'County of Hertfordshire' in Network South East livery was a locomotive I used to see regularly. Why it was in the north of England so much was a bit of a mystery. Maybe the northern crew liked it and would not 'send it back south'.
There is no actual model of 47583, so I had another model repainted etc. Normally I repaint etc. myself, but the NSE livery is a difficult one.
Having a login name of NorthBrit and avatar of the North British Railway (because I live near the old Border Counties Railway ; owned by the N B R) naturally I have some NBR wagons.
The little four plank N B (North British Railway) wagon behind the engine is of a 1910 design. The model is by Oxford Rail and although a good runer it looked of plastic. Therefore I dirtied it up a little.
The N B box van I made from a 1912 design. I am sure someone else would have made the model, but I have never seen another one..
The five plank Douglas Glencairn wagon is of a 1910 design. There was never such a wagon, but I know the family and asked if I could make the wagon. Therefore it is a 'one off'. The tarpaulin is from a Company of EBay.
[ David
Well it had to happen. After over three years one of the fishplates joining two tracks in Crown Point Yard has worked loose. It is in the middle of a set of points and to repair it has meant a lot of track has had to be lifted.
The Track Maintenance Staff (me) will be 'working this weekend'.
Pruitt I'd like to see your layout in person someday, David...
I'd like to see your layout in person someday, David...
Now that is a statement, Mark. I am intrigued.
It is just two layouts on one track layout. Both have reasons for the trains to run. The 'people' on it have a reason to be where they are. The scenery is specific to the area built. The buildings have a reason to be where they are. To me it is a 'Living Model Railway'.
Many things are wrong if one looks closely. I do not. It is fun to operate.
If you want to see it, Mark, you will have to visit the Border Region of the UK. You will be welcome.
Mark P.
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Adding a littlle 'life' to the footbridge.
I am not one for doing any 'weathering' on items normally, but I thought I would 'try' on some parcel vans. I have never seen a clean one 'ever'. I purloined some old make-up from Dawn, (not that she needs it you understand) and began to experiment on the vans.
NorthBrit Lastspikemike I left England in 1965, departing from Albert Dock in Liverpool. My last memory of British steam was an A4 down from Newcastle arriving at Kings Cross. That was green LNER as it appears in my mind's eye. That could be British Railways Green. They did B R blue, changing to green. A lot were changed to black color. Some ex LNER remained Apple Green or Silver. David
Lastspikemike I left England in 1965, departing from Albert Dock in Liverpool. My last memory of British steam was an A4 down from Newcastle arriving at Kings Cross. That was green LNER as it appears in my mind's eye.
I left England in 1965, departing from Albert Dock in Liverpool.
My last memory of British steam was an A4 down from Newcastle arriving at Kings Cross. That was green LNER as it appears in my mind's eye.
That could be British Railways Green.
They did B R blue, changing to green. A lot were changed to black color.
Some ex LNER remained Apple Green or Silver.
In fact only nine A4s were painted LNER green when new in 1936-37, numbers 4482 to 4487 (numbered just above the highest numbered A1s ordered by GNR) and 4493 to 4495 (4488 to 4492 were blue for the Coronation service). These nine had been repainted Garter Blue by October 1938. From 4496 onwards A4s entered service in Garter Blue. The shortest life in green was 4495, green for 11 days in August/September 1937. Later A4s were numbered from 4462 to 4469, numbered between the Ivatt Atlantics and the first Gresley Pacific 4470. These were also blue from new. The original four silver locomotives, 2509 to 2512 (numbered in the North Eastern Railway series) were all blue by 1938. Many A4s were painted black during WWII but had been repainted Garter Blue by 1948 and entered BR service in those colours.
BR painted at least one A4 dark blue with red and grey lining in 1948 or 1949, but adopted a mid blue, darker than Garter Blue with black and white lining from 1949 until 1951. This blue was confined to locomotives rated at 7P or 8P, the most powerful express passenger classes (which of course included the ex LMS Princess and Princess Coronation locomotives.) I myself have the same Hornby model of Lady Patricia.
After 1951 all A4s were BR Brunswick Green until withdrawal.
The Princess class were named after princesses in order of their position in line to inherit the throne. this was before the abdication in 1936, so "The Princess Royal" preceded "Princess Elizabeth". After Albert, Duke of York became King George VI in late 1936, Princess Elizabeth moved ahead of the Princess Royal. The Turbine Locomotive 6202 didn't have a name until rebuilt with four cylinders by BR when it was named Princess Anne who is the present Princess Royal. Lady Patricia 6210, later 46210 was tenth in line before 1936. She was a princess, but took the title Lady when she married a Lord.
The "lion on a unicycle" logo was superseded by the "lion in a crown" in 1957.
So that logo lasted longer than the blue livery.
Some of the odd liveries in BR days discussed above are seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhDWKl-YPA8
Here in Australia we have just watched the Queen's Christmas Message and a replay of the Royal Command Variety Performance. Thirty years ago we were familiar with British performers. Today they are completely unknown, so I guess we are to some degree independent.
Edit in bold.
Peter
Most of my carriages now have passengers. Here is a Pullman carriage that has been painted inside to 'get rid' of the stark white interior. The color is a brown. Passengers have been painted and added. A new name (Alethea) has been added. Now in service passing Roseville Station. Other Pullman carriages have had the similar treatment.
Lastspikemike It is ironic that some preservation railways seem better capitalized than the national system.
It is ironic that some preservation railways seem better capitalized than the national system.
It must be remembered that all Preservation Railway pay a small percentage of staff that work there. Most staff are volunteers (and enjoy it).
NorthBritAt times i think certain areas 'did as they pleased' until HQ found out.
Some of the history concerning when areas of BR promoted corporate vs. 'heritage' image would be interesting to see, although this is not something that might have been formally documented 'for posterity' as such.
Overmod I am appallingly ignorant of the actual history of postwar British railroading,
I am appallingly ignorant of the actual history of postwar British railroading,
I do not think British Railways know what colors and branding they wanted, so most people confused to what was what.
These may help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Great_Britain#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_corporate_liveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail
At times i think certain areas 'did as they pleased' until HQ found out.
I am appallingly ignorant of the actual history of postwar British railroading, and am constantly finding new layers of interest that adds to the context, but only scratch the surface and bring up new questions ... much as with North American railroad history.
I suspect there was a parallel on the new "British Railways" (in the era before the development of the Standards) to practice on newly-formed Penn Central and then Conrail, to put the "new" logo and colors on rolling stock to promote the new national 'company'. That might easily extend to having some of the shops serving the corresponding 'regions' use new livery on locomotives receiving heavy repairs, while patching equipment in progressively simpler or cruder ways depending on age, intended retirement, etc.
It is my understanding that the 'cycling lion' emblem was comparatively early and was also supplanted by other choices comparatively early, so it would make sense as I understood it to represent a locomotive 'soon after 1948' -- especially if shiny and new-looking, as that locomotive is. Of course the same could be said of a BR "heritage unit" painted in that scheme, too.
Thanks for you comments Lpm
The liveries on trains these days is enormous. Look at the films on the Trackside Diner thread. They only 'scratch the surface'. Trains and locomotives etc. built after my layout timescale are now being preserved.
British Railways had different colors and logos on their locomotives (as if they could not make their mind up.)
Here is some diesels that could be seen (modelwise) at Crown Point Yard.
Note the 'cycling lion' emblem on the tender in the second picture.
That is correct up to Nationalisation when British Railways changed the colors of rolling stock.
The layout is set in the timeframe of 1968 to 1972 and the engine is running as a 'Steam Special'.
A Steam Special. Former London, Midland & Scottish Railway locomotive 46210 Lady Patricia at the junction.
Class 47 47474 Sir Rowland Hill arrives at Crown Point Yard to refuel. Behind is Class 55 55016 Gordon Highlander about to depart on her next turn of duty, the 1411 Leeds Central departure to London Kings Cross.
Class 47 47474 receiving a drop of oil here and there to be ready for the Up Postal at 2245.
Class 47 47401 North Eastern on the 1511 Leeds Central to York arriving at Roseville Station. The locomotive's home base is Gateshead
Another Gateshead based locomotive Class 47 47402 Gateshead on a Castleford to Leeds Central train due arrival 1558.
Having locomotives running for a reason keeps the enjoyment at a high point.
Little scenes bringing some life to the reason of the layout. Father and son watching the trains.
What are they seeing? A Class 26 26016 on a freight train bound for Royal Ordnance Factory (ROF) at Barnbow.
The same train at Canal Corner.
The Class 58 with the Northbound train of Quarry wagons. The locomotive is slow on its 'fast speed' irrespective what it is pulling. Therefore looks great hauling full coal wagons which it normally does.
The scenery is still being redone from the footbridge to the front.
A long way from home, Inverness based Class 37 37026 'Glencairn' on a diverted Newcastle to Liverpool service. At Leeds Central engines will be exchanged and a Class 52 will take over. After refuelling at Crown Point Yard, 37026 will return to Newcastle on a later service.
I saw this 'lomac and aeroplane load' and had to buy it. Here it is on its way to 'Olympia Works' Roundhay.
A Class 58 58001 On a Northbound 'Quarry Train' to Northumberland, passing 'Marston's Yard.
The early arrival of the Wakefield Kirkgate to Leeds Central waits at the signal for The Calls Junction, whilst the Class 121 Seacroft to Leeds Central has right of way. The tall signal is a new addition and needs 'bedding in'. The tall signais required because of the footbridge obscuring the drivers of trains view.
The Wakefield Kirkgate to Leeds Central DMU arriving at Leeds Sovereign Street Station. The Leeds Central destination sign on the DMU is done on the computer, printed and affixed to the front.
Another source of traffic on the layout is taking workers and supplies to and from Blackburn's Aircraft Works at Olympia Works, Roundhay, Leeds.
Blackburn Aeroplane & Motor Company started making Aeroplanes in Balm Road, Leeds.
They opened another factory in Roundhay in 1914. In association with Hudswell Clarke production of aircraft and parts continued up to 1961 alongside their other factory in Brough, Yorkshire.
Upon closure work was trasferred to Hudswell Clarke, Jack Lane near Balm Road, Leeds.
The site at Olympia Works, Roundhay is now a supermarket. A small section of the land is the Air Training Corps.
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The beauty of a little research bring a reason to run different traffic on a railroad. Thus making it a 'Living Model Railroad'.
A Short History Lesson
In 1909 fearing a war with a country from the East, (No country was ever mentioned.) the British Government ordered Railway Companies to make Ambulance Carriages.
In 1912/13 several Military Manouvres took place in Anglia in the threat of an invasion.
1914 War was declared against Germany and her Allies.
Munitions Factories began their work.
The Munitions Factory at Barnbow, Leeds was built and became National Shell Filling Factory Number One. Railway tracks were laid into Barnbow.
It was just after 10pm on Tuesday 5th December 1916, when several hundred women and girls had just begun their night shift. Their tasks that fateful evening consisted as they normally did, of filling, fusing, finishing off and packing 4½ inch shells. Room 42 was mainly used for the filling, and between 150 and 170 girls worked there. Shells were brought to the room already loaded with high explosive and all that remained was the insertion of the fuse and the screwing down of the cap. A girl inserted the fuse by hand, screwed it down and then it was taken and placed into a machine that revolved the shell and screwed the fuse down tightly.
At 10.27pm a violent explosion rocked the very foundations of Room 42 killing 35 women outright, maiming and injuring dozens more. In some cases identification was only possible by the identity disks worn around the necks of the workers. The machine where the explosion had occurred was completely destroyed. Steam pipes had burst open and covered the floor with a cocktail of blood and water. Within a few hours of the explosion, bodies having been taken out, other girls were volunteering to work in room 42. Production was stopped only briefly.
Barnbow was Britain’s premier shell factory between 1914 and 1918 and at the end of hostilities on 11 November 1918, production stopped for the first time. By that time a total of 566,000 tons of finished ammunition had been dispatched overseas.
Fast forward to 1936. Britain introduced a massive rearmaments program on all thee Military Services - Army, Navy and Air Force. It is said, Britain was preparing for war in 1941. Barnbow was reactivated, this time making Tanks. and became Royal Ordnance Factory
(R. O. F.). Leeds.
Production of tanks continued until 2004 when ROF Leeds closed.
The site is now a housing estate.
In October 2016, the site of Barnbow Munitions Factory was listed as a scheduled monument.
There are two memorials to those killed, each listing all the names. In Manston Park is a stone with a plaque. On Cross Gates Road, by the roundabout at the Ring Road are 3 small stones with a simple inscription. Around them on the ground are metal tiles, each bearing the name of one of the women.
Today streets on the estate are named after the women killed in the explosion in 1916.
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On the layout I have nurses doing practice outside Leeds Sovereign Station.
For increased traffic I have trains taking goods and workers to and from Barnbow.
Two pictures from the running session yesteday.
From a donor locomotive I made Class 47 47404 'Hadrian', a Gateshead based locomotive. Within two days of me finishing the model Bachmann Europe brought out an identical one.
I also built the Class 55 engine at the rear. 22 locomotives of the class were built and named after either racehorses or Regiments of the British Army. This engine is number 55023 and is named 9th Queen's Royal Lancers. The number folllows the last one of the class. The name is after the Regiment my father was in.
I metion previously of diverted trains running on the layout.
Here is Class 45 45048 The Royal Marines with a diverted Thames - Forth Express. Class 45s and Class 46s were regulars on both Thames - Forth & Thames - Clyde services. In reality both trains followed the same route until north of Carlisle. There, the Clyde service went to Glasgow, the Forth service to Edinburgh. The Clyde service was half an hour ahead. The same on return.
I like to keep the correct classes of locomotives on the correct services.