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Cork sheet under yard tracks
Posted by carl425 on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:10 PM

Have those who have done this had any issues with seams?  I'm thinking the 1-foot squares would be easier to install since they come flat rather than rolled up and smaller pieces are less trouble when using contact cement. The only downside I can think of is the seams.

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:29 PM

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Have those who have done this had any issues with seams?

I installed several sheets of  11 3/4" x 36" Midwest Cork in my old club's yard and had no problems with seams in the cork. It was laid on 3/4" plywood.  The joints between the plywood sheets were smooth.

I would suggest using carpenters glue instead of contact cement because the sheets can be adjusted to get a perfect fit. I would also suggest using a wallpaper roller to smooth the sheets out (works on roadbed too).

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Posted by peahrens on Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:57 AM

I used rolled cork sheet in my yard, IIRC it was N scale, so thinner than the HO roadbed cork.  I secured it with Alex latex caulk as I did my roadbed cork.  The seams just show but are no issue if you ballast, which evens things out.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:04 AM

All of my "yards" are staging, so no need for cork underlay of any type, and no need for ballast, either...

There's also a fifth one, in another room.  It's only two tracks, on a narrow shelf, and is unpainted.  I used black paint on the ones in the layout room simply to demarcate them as "off-layout".

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Posted by kasskaboose on Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:35 AM

What does the cork sheet provide that you can't get from cork strips?

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:43 AM

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What does the cork sheet provide that you can't get from cork strips?

I wanted a flat yard, not a yard where only the tracks were elevated.  That doesn't look right.

I used WS foam roadbed sheets, which were easy to fasten down and worked well, but it's the same idea as cork sheets.

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Posted by HO-Velo on Thursday, June 25, 2020 12:11 PM

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What does the cork sheet provide that you can't get from cork strips?

Like MisterBeasley I wanted a flat yard with no ballast profile and using sheet cork instead of strips elimanated having to fill between tracks.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, June 25, 2020 1:20 PM

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What does the cork sheet provide that you can't get from cork strips?

 

 

I layed out my yard track and tried several different things.  I decided I wanted to run things a while before I made up my mind, so I laid down cork sheets, and moved my track and turnouts several times.

I know -- I could have done the same thing without the cork, but for some reason it seemed to be a little easier than moving cork strips each time.

I used cheap caulk to glue the cork to the plywood.

I bought sheets of cork from Hobby Lobby for pretty cheap.  I think I got a 16" x 48" roll for less than $5.00.

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, June 26, 2020 10:32 AM

Cork sheets in yards here, too.  No problem with seams (after all there is one seam in regular cork roadbed right down the middle with no problems) BUT I do use one of the large spongy abrasive pads on the cork that smooths things out and I assume would address slight seam issues.

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, June 26, 2020 11:33 AM

I used N scale cork roadbed under my yard tracks (I model in HO). Then I went back and filled in between the tracks with more N scale roadbed. That was an expensive way to do it. Live and learn.

On an ealier layout I used cork flooring underlayment. Came in a huge roll for a pretty reasonable price (delivered to my home). I must have gone stupid between then and now.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Friday, June 26, 2020 2:58 PM

I'd think the transition between HO and N scale is something difficult for ensuing continual movement.  Perhaps some can offer suggestions on going from one to the other easily.  I keep all the cork the same height.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, June 26, 2020 3:52 PM
Maybe I’m as thick as two short planks, but why use cork at all?
  
Just lay the yard track directly to the base, then transition your leads to the cork under your main line. Seems to be simpler and far less expensive, but then I am a simple Bear.
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Posted by carl425 on Friday, June 26, 2020 4:13 PM

why use cork at all?

keep the noise down

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, June 26, 2020 5:35 PM
Having once worked next to a railway yard, I thought they were noisy places!
Besides, on slow speed switching operations, does cork really make a worthwhile difference?
 
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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, June 26, 2020 8:41 PM

I'm using HO scale cork sheets in my service yard simply because the transitions to N scale cork or no cork would be too steep. In one case the first turnout in the yard has only about 6" of track between it and the turnout that feeds it. I know I could probably get away with N scale cork in the yard, but I would rather have reliable operation than the tiny bit of perspective that the transition would create.

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Posted by carl425 on Friday, June 26, 2020 10:37 PM

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Having once worked next to a railway yard, I thought they were noisy places!

Ah but the yard in question, in this case, is a ~hidden staging yard so any noise would be quite offensive.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, June 27, 2020 4:04 AM

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Ah but the yard in question, in this case, is a ~hidden staging yard so any noise would be quite offensive

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As you have considered that the seams could cause problems, I rather suspect that you will give them extra attention, therefore negating any possible problems, giving you a trouble free quiet yard.

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Posted by Motley on Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:42 PM

I am finally ready to start laying track for my yard. I just ordered 10 sheets of HO midwest cork sheet.

The package was pretty heavy, I've never got so much cork at one time. LOL

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Posted by Tophias on Sunday, November 15, 2020 8:45 PM

I apologize for being late to this party, I'm in serious catch up mode with reading these forums. Just a quick observation, no one has mentioned using homasote  for their yard. No seams, very flat, takes track spikes well, paintable and takes ballasting well.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:30 AM

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Just a quick observation, no one has mentioned using homasote  for their yard. No seams, very flat, takes track spikes well, paintable and takes ballasting well. 

Homsote, yes.  I was going to mention it but you beat me to it.  Sometimes you have to level it a bit, but I've used Homasote on all my layouts for yards and still do.  I paint it first to give it a base color and seal it a bit.

Indeed it takes spikes and track nails well.  No worries about ramping up or down. 

If I need to make a transition from Homasote to cork road bed at the change to mainline I simply mount the subroadbed so the surface of the cork is flush with the surface of the Homasote.

I ran on my last layout and there didn't seem to be any noticable noise either.

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Posted by hbgatsf on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:13 AM

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All of my "yards" are staging, so no need for cork underlay of any type, and no need for ballast, either...

There's also a fifth one, in another room.  It's only two tracks, on a narrow shelf, and is unpainted.  I used black paint on the ones in the layout room simply to demarcate them as "off-layout".

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How did you set the track?  Is it nailed to the plywood?  
 
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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:28 AM

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doctorwayne

All of my "yards" are staging, so no need for cork underlay of any type, and no need for ballast, either...

How did you set the track?  Is it nailed to the plywood?  

 
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I don't see any visible nails in his photo so may have been adhesive.  I used Atlas track nails for my staging and because sheet Homasote holds them well, it was an easy task to lay my track.  I could ust a Nail Set to push the small nails down leaving a small gap so the track was held firmly in place but the ties were not bent down or distorted. 
 
Many an attest nailing track nails into plywood is tough and results in quite a few bent nails, but it can be done.  But the original issue raised in this topic was noise, and the desire to deaden sound, so cork was being thought about.  Homasote seems to also deaden noise in my experience - at least I didn't notice any when running trains.

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Posted by hbgatsf on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:53 AM

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Many an attest nailing track nails into plywood is tough and results in quite a few bent nails, but it can be done.  But the original issue raised in this topic was noise, and the desire to deaden sound, so cork was being thought about.  Homasote seems to also deaden noise in my experience - at least I didn't notice any when running trains.
 

 

I apologize for hijacking the thread, but back in the day I had nailed track to plywood and as you stated it is not easy.  I was curious how this one was done.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:17 AM

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riogrande5761 
 
Many an attest nailing track nails into plywood is tough and results in quite a few bent nails, but it can be done.  But the original issue raised in this topic was noise, and the desire to deaden sound, so cork was being thought about.  Homasote seems to also deaden noise in my experience - at least I didn't notice any when running trains. 

I apologize for hijacking the thread, but back in the day I had nailed track to plywood and as you stated it is not easy.  I was curious how this one was done. 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:33 AM

I have used OSB wood on my past layout and found it can work well.  Plus a lot of the plywood I see in the stores looks warped anyway and the good stuff can be quite expensive.  For those where money is no object sure buy the best stuff.  And these days during the Pandemic, wood has shot up to 2 or 3 times the pre-pandemic prices.

Anywho, I used track nails on my last layout and even on OSB, I ended up bending a good many attaching the track, although I like the flexibility of track nails or ME spikes over adhesives because you can fix track down instantly rather than wait for the adhesive to cure.  And with all the weights you have to put on the track while it cures, how can you see if it cures and the track is properly aligned because the weights, such as soda cans, obscure the view of alignment.  And I can tweak the alignment with track nails and even pull them out to relay if I want to change something.

Anyway, I'll probalby use a pin vise this time in many cases to use track nails where they are not going into Homasote.  Where there are yards, Homasote is a dream to lay track.  It is so easy!  Smile

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