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Version 5 of The CB&Q in Wyoming

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, November 4, 2022 3:24 AM

Hi Mark,

Thanks for another very interesting video. Watching the close up view of the train going through the curve was very entertaining even if it was brief. I much prefer the trackside views of running trains vs cab views. Cab videos would benefit from having a much wider field of view imho, but I don't know if that is even possible in a train mounted camera.

Cheers!!

Dave

I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!

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Posted by Pruitt on Wednesday, November 23, 2022 8:14 PM

Thanks Dave, Ray!

23 November 2022

Right after the operating session I turned bak to scenery west of Casper. The area around Powder River was just too flat to look right, so I added some low hills at the backdrop. Here I've hot glued the first bit of hilly foam in place:

And here's Powder River with the new hills painted and grouted.

On November 7th I added static grass to the hills, and also dirtied up the ground between the siding and mainline a bit. I haven't done anything else in the area since then.

Also early in the month I began laying out Himes Curve. This is the tightest mainline curve on the layout, at 28 inch radius. I would have preferred to stay with my typical 30 inch radius, but a solid wall left me no choice.

This curve represents the real Himes Curve, though on the layout it curves the opposite direction of the real one:

The longest wheelbase steamer that could navigate this 10-degree curve (one degree sharper than Horseshoe Curve in Pennsylvania) was a Mikado. Northerns could not make the curve. Even today, trains are limited to 10 mph here. Dave told me he could feel the trucks on the six axle SD's he used to run through here buck and jump on the curve, though he never did have a derailment.

At this point work on the layout came to an unexpected screeching halt for about two weeks. I learned that my operating concept, which I thought I had based solidly on prototype operations on the line, was seriously flawed!

I thought all local trains came out of Casper on the division, and I was very chagrined to learn that all of them came out of Greybull for the entire Big Horn Basin, including the Cody branch! I spent a lot of time for nearly two weeks looking at how I could incorporate the changes in my scheme, and how that would impact the track plan. Dave (who had been the bearer of this bad news) and I spent hours on the phone and in emails going back and forth about what might be possible to do without major revision to already-built parts of the layout.

Greybull had been envisioned as just another switching location on the layout. I knew there's been an engine facility in Greybull during my modeling era, but I had left that out of the master layout plan. Greybull also had a yard, and that was left out as well. I hadn't yet detailed out the track arrangement for Greybull; I've been doing that for each town as I approached it during construction. But it would be similar to what I came up with for Thermopolis, here:

[NOTE: All these diagrams are much more readable if you click on them to enlarge them]

Now I would need to include the yard and engine facilities at Greybull if I was to model operations as they were really done, so I spent the next several days working out how to fit everything in the spot allocated for Greybull. With Dave's input I came up with a few variations on Greybull:

None of these or several other arrangements were satisfactory. There just wasn't enough room to build the trains I needed (thanks in large part to a very inconveniently placed supporting column)! Then I began thinking about train routing and traffic flows. I wondered if I might be able to combine Greybull with the Frannie and Orin interchange yards. The Frannie-Orin combined yard had a lot more length along one wall than Greybull did on the peninsula. So I did a schematic of train movements along the entire line. Here's the first one, with all trains originating from Casper in my original concept:

Here's the second one, with local trains originating in Greybull in its original location:

And here's the final one, showing train routing from a combined Orin / Greybull / Frannie yard:

Three major things to note:

  1. Moving Greybull opened up another spot for a town I had omitted in the original plan - Basin. This makes the eastbound local out of Greybull much better;
  2. Greybull has the length to allow trains to be built on one track (see the following layout of the new Greybull), rather than breaking them up onto two separate tracks. Also, the stub-end tracks have much greater capacity; and
  3. This is maybe the most important. On all the other concepts, trains to Cody had to make an unprotypical turn-around move at Frannie to go down the Cody branch. Now the train will leave Greybull headed in the right direction. No more turning around mid-route.

 

Here's the new (and semi-final) Greybull arrangement:

If you study the yard a bit, you'll find there's no yard lead. This is prototypical. On the Casper Division of the CB&Q, the mainline was used as a yard lead by the switch crews. Really!

While I was reworking the track plan anyway, I took the time to revise the Cody branch design to move Powell under Worland and eliminate a bunch of hidden trackage. I also completely redesigned the west and east staging to straighten out traffic flow into staging and eliminate another bunch of hidden track.

Finally, with all the redesign work behind me, I got started on construction again. On the 17th of November I installed the benchwork supporting Himes Curve (leg on the left is temporary):

On the 20th Himes Curve subroadbed was in, and on the 21st I began installing the subroadbed for the Cody branch and East staging as well.

The last few days I've been experiencing some atrial fibrillation(!) so work has slowed a bit, but I am spending some time assembling a large group of hoppers (in Burlington and Northwestern liveries) to be used as beet hoppers for Holly Sugar. Here's the first batch in process:

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, November 24, 2022 10:31 PM

Hi Mark,

Interesting developments (except for the heart stuff!!!Bang Head).

I think the final version of the Greybull yard is fantastic and very well thought out. I like the idea of using the main line as the yard lead. It appeals to my devious side Smile, Wink & GrinMischief. It will create some fun during your operating sessions. Every time your Greybull yard master wants to use the main you can throw a special at him!MischiefLaughLaugh

I sincerely hope that your heart issues can be resolved. If you end up with a pacemaker you will have to be very wary of getting a shock from the layout. One of the members at my old club had a pacemaker so we set some very strict procedures for turning the power on to the layout. Losing a decoder is one thing, but losing a member is a whole 'nother kettle of fish! Sorry for the black humour.

Cheers!!

Dave

I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, November 25, 2022 5:00 AM

Pruitt

The last few days I've been experiencing some atrial fibrillation(!) so work has slowed a bit

Mark, go see your doctor today. "The last few days" is too many days for such a condition to go unchecked.

Rich

Alton Junction

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, November 26, 2022 6:51 PM

hon30critter
I think the final version of the Greybull yard is fantastic and very well thought out. I like the idea of using the main line as the yard lead. It appeals to my devious side Smile, Wink & GrinMischief. It will create some fun during your operating sessions. Every time your Greybull yard master wants to use the main you can throw a special at him!MischiefLaughLaugh

Smile, Wink & Grin Thanks Dave! I do have some seasonal trains that might work well as a monkey wrench...

I sincerely hope that your heart issues can be resolved. If you end up with a pacemaker you will have to be very wary of getting a shock from the layout.

richhotrain
Mark, go see your doctor today. "The last few days" is too many days for such a condition to go unchecked.

Thanks for the concern, Dave and Rich. I've had afib on and off (mostly off) since early 2014. I see a cardiologist regularly. So far they've said it's not dangerous. 

I had the last bout in Feb 2020, just a few months after I moved back to Wyoming. Almost three years without anything, then about six weeks ago it came back with a vengance. Saw the cardiologist - he said to see an electrophysiologist (specialist who deals with the electrical side of the heart) when he comes to town from Salt Lake next month. Probably will recommend an ablation, but we'll see.

I occasionally also have another arrhythmia - PVCs (premature ventricular contractions). Almost everybody gets this occasionally - colloquially known as "heart skips a beat." This has happened at the same time as the afib on two separate occasions now, including Sunday night. I went to the ER Sunday night as a precaution, and the doctor again said nothing going on is dangerous. Sure is unsettling though.

Again, thanks for the concern. If you never hear from me again, you'll know the doc was wrong. SurpriseWhistling

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, November 26, 2022 7:10 PM

I have AFIB too.  I think the doctors were was too eager to do an ablation and charge the insurance company and Medicare for it.  When I got out of the OR my heart rate was about 30 and the next step was a pacemaker.  The AFIB came back a couple of years later.  Did this do me any good?  Seriously, I would probably be better without it.  My cardiologist now isn't worried and is much less of an interventionist.

This cardiologist is also an electrophysiologist so he understands my pacemaker.  I get along well with him.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by Doughless on Monday, November 28, 2022 9:54 AM

Very interesting update Mark.  Your redesign prompted by the operations discovery was handled very well.  I hope it makes for an even more satisfying layout that wouldn't have happened without the additional information.

Good luck with the heart.  Sounds like you've had plenty of discussions about it with doctors.  I had PVCs come on about three years ago.  At times they were disruptive when I laid on my left side...annoyed me so much I had trouble falling asleep.

I went on small dose BP medicine and eliminated caffeinated drinks, and I haven't had them in over a year.  

- Douglas

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, December 3, 2022 6:37 PM

That's a scary story, Mister Beasley! I hope things dont go like that for me!

Douglas, my PVC's tend to come in clusters. There almost completely gone again now. Hopefully not to return for a long time.

3 December 2022

I posted my latest layout update video a few hours ago:

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, December 3, 2022 9:54 PM

Hi Mark,

Thank you for the very interesting analysis and redesign of your layout! As I said in an earlier post, I think the new plan is excellent.

Your videos are really well done.

Cheers!!

Dave

I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!

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