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Signals - mast vs dwarf

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:35 AM

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Rich,

I am aware of Tomar. They do offer a few N scale items but their pricing is out of my reach when you consider that I would like to do at least 50 signals. Even if I used just a few and did something else for the rest, those few would highlight how crappy the rest look. 

Paul, which Tomar Industries N scale signals would be appropriate on your layout? Just curious.

Rich

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Posted by PED on Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:13 AM

Rich,

I am aware of Tomar. They do offer a few N scale items but their pricing is out of my reach when you consider that I would like to do at least 50 signals. Even if I used just a few and did something else for the rest, those few would highlight how crappy the rest look.

Paul D

N scale Washita and Santa Fe Railroad
Southern Oklahoma circa late 70's

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:09 AM

I operate in HO scale, so I cannot comment on the quality or availability of N scale track side signals. But, have you looked at Tomar Industries signals?

I use Tomar Industries signals on my layout, and they are fantastic.

Scroll down the page on the following link to see the variety of N scale signals.

https://tomarindustries.com/signals.htm

Rich

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Posted by PED on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:30 PM

RR_Mel

 
 
TrainCat has N scale stuff.
 
 
Great stuff if you can solder.
 
You can do it!
 
 
Mel
 
 
My Model Railroad   
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
 
 

Mel,
I can solder and am willing. I have looked at the Traincat2 stuff before when I was looking for some conveyors but it has been shut down for some time due to the death of his wife. Don't know when he will be back open.

 

Paul D

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Southern Oklahoma circa late 70's

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:29 PM

Traincat has been unavailable for a very long time.  Too bad, both for the cat, and for us customers. 

 

Best wishes, cat.

 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:18 PM

Build them yourself.  I’m HO and bought one signal from NJI.  I used it to make molds and cast my own parts from resin.  KS brass tubing for the pole mounts.  I made my own signal heads from KS tubing and washers.
 
I have a somewhat dated post on my blog for one of my signal systems.  I’m currently overhauling it and adding more signals.
 
 
I’m in the process of finishing up the installation of my Arduino MEGA signal controller.  It takes two one MEGA will operate 14 blocks, one for each direction.  Arduino has some great IR detectors at 50¢ a pop.  A China Arduino MEGA costs about $15 with expansion modules so I have a total of about $100 in my 14 block system including two TrainCat Two Track Cantilevered Bridges.
 
TrainCat has N scale stuff.
 
 
Great stuff if you can solder.
 
You can do it!
 
 
Mel
 
 
My Model Railroad   
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
 
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Posted by PED on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:52 PM

Mel,

I have some fiber optics to play with but fiber vs LED is only part of the issue. My main issue is the crappy  N scale signal masts on the market. I do have something new I discovered since my original posting. Shapeways has some decent looking parts that could be used to build up a signal light. Might offer me some better options. They have signal heads but no USA signal masts already built up. Have some German models but I did not find any USA types.

Paul D

N scale Washita and Santa Fe Railroad
Southern Oklahoma circa late 70's

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:52 PM

PED

Looking for comments or opinions on the wide spread use of ground signal lights in lieu of mast mounted signals.

 

I'm sorry to hear that N scale signals are so sucky.

Moving on:

Ground signals are only used in "terminals".  NOT out on the road.  So there is no "in lieu of", because you "can't".  There's a place for mast mount.  There's a place for ground mount.  They DON'T interchange.

If you want to contradict reality, go fer it.  I'll be happy to visit.  And a good martini will secure for you some positive endorsement for your version of reality.  

Imagine what two would do.

 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:42 PM

You could use fiber optics, 1.5mm should be pretty close for N.  A bi-color LED should put out enough light to make a good looking signal.  For direct LEDs I get by with 2 to 4 ma per LED.  Where I use fiber with LEDs 10ma works good for me.
 
 
Mel
 
 
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Signals - mast vs dwarf
Posted by PED on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:28 PM

I am in the planing stage for adding signals to my N scale layout. One major obstacile I have come across is the poor availability of decent looking mast signals for N scale. Nothing like what is available in HO. The few I do find are very crude or are incrediabily expensive...much too expensive for widespead use on my layout. In addition, most are dummy or are prewired with red or green in a set position which does not let me create the different aspects I would prefer to use. Modifing them to use multicolor LEDs or look nicer would be an impossible task for me. They are just too small.

I model the Santa Fe in late 70's and from what I can tell, Santa Fe prefered simple signals during that period such as a single or double light. In addition, Santa Fe would often use ground signals rather that a tall mast even on a mainline. This is where I am looking for inputs and opinions.

Since all the mast style signals I have found look like crap with exposed wires, wrong LED colors, no ladder and very poor finish detail I am considering a shift to using 100% ground signals on my layout. Certainly not totally protypical but neither are the crappy signal mast I have found. By doing this, I can buy less costly ground signals and then modify them to use multi color LED's that would allow me to represent a wider array of aspects. An additional benefit would be that the mast heads would not be sticking up on my layout where I am sure to break off a few. I do have a few spots where I might use a signal bridge instead of ground signals.

Looking for comments or opinions on the wide spread use of ground signal lights in lieu of mast mounted signals.

 

Paul D

N scale Washita and Santa Fe Railroad
Southern Oklahoma circa late 70's

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