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Gravel roads & parking lots - how did you make yours?

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Gravel roads & parking lots - how did you make yours?
Posted by mobilman44 on Sunday, March 1, 2015 7:28 AM

Hi,

I'm no stranger to laying out gravel roads and such, but I'm wondering if there isn't a better way than what I've been accustomed to doing.

I've been painting out a mix of glue/water and sifting out the HO ground cover material - which has included ballast, cinders, stone, etc., in both "real rock" and the Woodland Scenics materials.  Once dry, I would smooth it out with a straight edge, and fill in as needed.

The end result is OK, but frankly it looks too "pretty" and pristine - surely not what they look like in the real world after any kind of usage.

Sooo, my obivious question is - what all do you do for your gravel roads, etc.?

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:04 AM

I model in HO, but I used N-scale ballast for the parking lot by the Railway Express depot:

The fine grains set it off from track ballast, and the lighter color distinguishes it from the road.  This scene is in the back of the layout anyway.  It's a small parking lot with an irregular shape, and there are a lot of other details to draw the eye away from the parking lot itself.

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Posted by Grampys Trains on Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:14 AM

Hi: I use a combination of Sculptamold/Structolite as my basic terrain. For dirt/gravel roads, I used an old Surform tool to smooth the perlite that is in the Structolite. To my eye, in HO, it doesn't take a lot of texture to "look right".

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Posted by wp8thsub on Sunday, March 1, 2015 1:33 PM

I use fine sand with dry-brushed acrylic paint for wheel tracks.

The process is pretty simple and fast.  If you don't like how it turns out, coat with another layer of sand and try again.

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Posted by glutrain on Monday, March 2, 2015 12:13 AM

When i saw beach sand the color that i desired for a gravel parking lot, I saved a zip lock baggie of it. Once dried and sifted, I glued it down just like i was spreading ballast. Two benefits to doing the project this way: 1) cost was spectacularly low, affordable even for subways in North Dakota, and 2) whenever I look upon that parking lot, I am reminded of another delightful day with my wife.

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Posted by hornblower on Tuesday, March 3, 2015 4:49 PM

While I haven't actually built any gravel roads or parking lots, I have made a few gravel roofs using fine artist sand evenly sifted over wet paint.  I would imagine my gravel roof technique could also be used to build gravel roads and parking lots.

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Posted by NP01 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:19 AM

I use sandpaper. Goes on fast, you have to dress the edges. Colors ok, you can draw/paint lines on it. Just don't rub your fingers across the road ...

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Posted by mobilman44 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 8:01 AM

Hi,

Wanted to wait a bit until I responded so as to not start any "rabbit trails"......

You guys surely set the bar high!  It never ceases to amaze me at some of the fine modeling we see on this forum.

The idea of using sandpaper is interesting.  One could weather it and add depth (actually height) as needed, without dealing with bare spots.

Thank you all, I appreciate the input!

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Posted by Steven S on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:13 AM

mobilman44
The idea of using sandpaper is interesting.

 

In your original post you wrote, "The end result is OK, but frankly it looks too "pretty" and pristine - surely not what they look like in the real world after any kind of usage." 

Sandpaper is about as pretty and pristine as you can get.  Variation is the key to realism and there isn't any variation in sandpaper.  Look at the variation in Rob's and Grampy's photos.  Variation in color.  Variation in distribution.  That's why they look so good.

 

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Posted by NP01 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:41 AM

Steven S

Sandpaper is about as pretty and pristine as you can get.  Variation is the key to realism and there isn't any variation in sandpaper.  Look at the variation in Rob's and Grampy's photos.  Variation in color.  Variation in distribution.  That's why they look so good.

He said it was interesting, not awesome. :-) it's very true sandpaper surfaces don't look as good as Robs and Grampys photos, but I have found a couple of tricks on that. 

1. They're is often two color (brown/black) sandpaper

2. You can sprinkle sand on it. Esp edges where wheels don't go. 

3. Dry brush and crayon (careful crayon catches) creates nice effects. 

I am dismantling, so could not take a photo to show this.

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Posted by mobilman44 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:43 PM

Like I wrote, the idea of using sandpaper is "interesting". 

One could glue it down, paint on tire ruts and potholes, spread like color gravel around, and weather to taste......... 

I have no plans of doing that, but I'll bet my RR that more than a few folks on this forum could do a really nice job with that method.

As my Daddy would have said....."there's more than one way to skin a Cat"!

Oh, for you feline lovers....."Cat" refers to Catipillar tractors of old.

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Posted by dknelson on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 4:59 PM

For a country road I used sifted fireplace ash, which has enough color variation to avoid looking pristine and neat and does not look like a bunch of rocks.  

 See page 6 of the Midwest Region Waybill for my article's photo of the results

http://www.mwr-nmra.org/region/waybill/waybill20102summer.pdf

Dave Nelson

 

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