The OOOOOOOOOOOOPS department

[RhB_HJ]

Hi all, [;)][:)]

Not being in a hurry it was only yesterday I picked up the Jan '06 MR.

I got all the way to page 10 top left-hand corner. Nice picture of the

QUOTE: 1:22.5-proportion General Electric P42 DC diesel locomotive.

aka the Genesis from LGB.

Hmmmmmm, interesting.
Of course putting two and two together I suspect that Jack Lynch must have sent them the press release clearly marked " NEW in G Scale". [}:)][}:)][}:)]

And at MR they probably cross referenced to an older LGB catalogue - like the 2000 version I have sitting on the shelf (yes, that's the most recent I have [;)][:)] ) - where it states

QUOTE:
LGB Scale Name: G
Gauge: G Scale: 1:22.5
Gauge: 45mm

Off hand I would think that a clarification in the next issue of MR is in order; perhaps along this line:

QUOTE: The Amtrak Genesis from LGB (Jan MR 06, Page10) was incorrectly identified as being 1:22.5 proportions. As we learned from LGBoA it is actually a proprietary scale. We apologize for any inconvenience or confusion this may have caused (or will cause in future).

[;)][;)][}:)][;)][:)][:D][:D]

Who ever said that the scale/gauge question was straight forward?? [:p][:p]

[Curmudgeon]

One thing you must realize.

Terry is across the hall from Marc, and it was obvious from the Claremont and whatever LS article he didn't get up and walk across the hall to ask.

I did call Terry, and strongly suggested next time he wants to do something on LS, to ask Marc to recommend someone.

How do you like page 121?

A 1:22.5 Bachmann Shay.

Technically, page 84 is correct.
BN became an entity in March of 1970.
But the engines shown are Canoe Northern Pacific Geeps, even if the numbers indicate BN.

Classic paint job.

Did you like the top right of Page 10?

What KIND of 2-8-2 steam locomotive?

Geez.

Next thing they'll have some Swiss railway in Chicago......

[Marty Cozad]

Terry who is across the hall from Marc?????

[Bucksco]

To err is human; to forgive, divine.
Alexander Pope

[Curmudgeon]

Terry Thompson, editor of MR, across the hall from Marc Horovitz, editor of GR......

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bucksco

To err is human; to forgive, divine.
Alexander Pope

Hi Jack,[;)][:D][:D]

Hmmmmmmmmm... was that Alexander Pope or Pope Alexander???[:o)][:o)][:o)]

OTOH do you believe in Karma??? It was bound to happen.... you tell people long enough that it is supposed to be 1:22.5 and one day they'll believe you. [;)][}:)][;)][:D][:D]

QUOTE: You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln

[Marty Cozad]

Now thats funny, I send him stuff way back and he says he'll send it to GRs . I guess he rolls the chair acroos the hall.
I never did hear from him on the last things i sent to him. not sure if he got it or if the CD opened. Plus it seems to me he had a different state address than Marc.????

[Bucksco]

HJ,
I know I shouldn't go here but I'm really curious as to why you feel it necessary to constantly point out that LGB trains are not perfect "scale" replicas. LGB has a particular philosophy concerning how our trains are designed and engineered. There is a download on our website explaining the philospophy behind the product:
http://www.lgb.de/pdf/GChartDE.pdf
We build our products to be dependable,reliable and rugged. They are designed to be taken outside and run on a "G"arden railroad. If we were making perfect scale display models that were not going to be manhandled and run in the great outdoors it would be a different matter altogether. Sometimes this requires certain adjustments to make the model less "delicate" and perform well with all of the other products in our program.
Life is full of choices. LGB is just one choice. If we advertised our products as being one particular "scale" I could understand your consternation but we advertise them as "G" gauge 45mm and that is what we deliver.

[Capt Bob Johnson]

Ah, back to the old scale/guage thing again!

[Anonymous]

And that is why this is a dead forum folks!

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bucksco


HJ,
I know I shouldn't go here but I'm really curious as to why you feel it necessary to constantly point out that LGB trains are not perfect "scale" replicas. LGB has a particular philosophy concerning how our trains are designed and engineered. There is a download on our website explaining the philospophy behind the product:
http://www.lgb.de/pdf/GChartDE.pdf
We build our products to be dependable,reliable and rugged. They are designed to run be taken outside and run on a "G"arden railroad. If we were making perfect scale display models that were not going to be manhandled and run in the great outdoors it would be a different matter altogether. Sometimes this requires certain adjustments to make the model less "delicate" and perform well with all of the other products in our program.
Life is full of choices. LGB is just one choice. If we advertised our products as being one particular "scale" I could understand your consternation but we advertise them as "G" gauge 45mm and that is what we deliver.

Hi Jack, [;)][:)]

You don't need to tell me that LGB is no particular scale - not even when it comes to doing RhB items, where the 1:22.5 scale would be truly appreciated - I'm well aware of that. Afterall I do enough RhB item reviews/comparisons complete with "major dimension" tables. [;)][:)][:D]

As far as the advertising is concerned hmmmmmm.... if memory serves that only started to change once the "scale modelers" started to call LGB's bluff on the fora (either side of the Atlantic), in letters to the editor to various and sundry magazines and letters/email to the manufacturer. And it isn't that long ago that the "faithful replica" etc. etc. etc. nonsense was finally dropped

Soooooooo as far as I'm concerned



sums it up very nicely!

Of course I fully understand why LGB couldn't follow the NEM Standard designation of "IIm" for their RhB items. Yep, 1:22.5 is more precise than LGB would like it. [;)][:)][:D]
As an aside, if one of the english-language magazines would finally see fit to compare and publi***he respective dimensions for those "G scale" items, then at least the consumer would have a better idea of what scale it is.
In the meantime, whenever the occasion arises I'll link to the translated reviews of the GARTENBAHNprofi. [;)][:)][;)] This year more often than in the past. [;)][;)]

BTW I'm really looking forward to the Nürnberg Fair and the surprises that will be sprung this year.[8D][8D][8D][:D][:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

Is this guy for real?

[Anonymous]

Interesting, since you brought this up HJ, and you do a better job than I do. [:o)]

Jack made this comment (directed to me) on another fourm:

" We would not do narrow gauge equipment in 1/29th scale nor would we do North American Standard gauge equipment in 1/22.5 scale. But believe it or not -and you purists out there can cover your eyes for this part ;)-Some folks like running both together! We are making an effort to make our North American equipment friendly toward other products out there but we will always keep LGB products relatively propotional to each other."

And for some reason it's been eatin in my crawl ever since. [8]

But we shouldn't give Jack the heat for what was done in the past. [B)]

Have Fun: Jeff [8D]

[Anonymous]

OK.
Are both these guys for real ?
save it for e-mails guys.you people are killing everything.noone can post anything anymore.

[Curmudgeon]

Ah.
I wonder what scale the F-7's are........length, width and height.

Amazingly, the new Lehmann-type stuff is referred to as the "LGB-Toy" line.

And, yes, both those guys are for real.

TOC

[Bucksco]

Jeff,
My statement wasn't directed specifically at you. I was trying to present what I feel is the basic Philosophy behind the way LGB engineers it's products.

I do not argue- just attempt to inform (that's my job!)

[Anonymous]

Bucksco.from what i've seen here your not allowed to argue.I'm sure they,ve already got in touch with the powers that be to have you taken from the site.
Arnold

[Anonymous]

Hi Jack:

Argue? Not us. [:D]

I shouldn't have put "directed at me" I should have put "in reply to my post" [;)]



Hi railroadingman:

I don't understand, just our thoughts here on the subject. [:p]

Since about 95, most people know me as having an indoor layout running all LGB equipment (besides a B-mann Shay). I have LGB because it works, it's the only thing that will run on my curves, it's good stuff and I like it and have more on order. [}:)]

We do however think things could be better, someday, and maybe Jack can help with that. [:I]


Have Fun: Jeff [8D]

[Curmudgeon]

hehehehehe.

[Anonymous]

[^]I for one just loves LGB[:D]. I've been an operator of LGB since 1969 when I purchased my first LGb Stainz whilst serving in Germany. I now have over one hundred locomotives and a corresponding amount of rolling stock. To my mind the LGB products I have look the part. I operate a garden railway which is open to the public and I want a product that will operate reliably, is extremely robust and also look good. This I find LGB does. [:)]

[Curmudgeon]

Most of us started with lgb.

I have parked most of my engines, the only one currently on-shed is a UINTAH.
They run fine.
Scale can be an issue, as can specific eras.
Most of my engines now are 1:20 Bachmann, Shays, Climax, 2-8-0's.
I do run the older 4-6-0s, all of mine with BBT 2-8-0 drives, simply because they look better than the little Cookes.
I have a pair of 2018D's updated to more modern appearance, but they are stored, serviceable, along with the Americanized 2015D.

My brother who also operates here has an OLD 2085D, but he's added a Bachmann 4-6-0 wood cab, a shortened Bachmann 4-6-0 tender, repainted it, removed 2 headlights, other changes, looks pretty good now.

Did you know the Bachmann 4-6-0 has an NMRA Conformace Warrant?
Guess how many LGB items do.
Not that I care about nmra warrants, but I was surprised about the 4-6-0.

I think one of the things that has taken away from the "aura" of the myth was the China move.
When you paid $120 for a German (was it a 3180..) yellow D&RGW passenger car, even at TrainWorld, and now Chinese ones are less than $72.....I've talked to outfits who specialize in LGB, and older LGB....they don't buy collections anymore, as they can't get rid of what they've got, even new in the box....the bottom fell out of the colector lgb market several years ago, it seems.
I have a whole bunch of brand new in the box cars and an engine or two.
Not a bite.
Original 2018D, 20+ years old, in the box, original German yellow D&RGW passenger cars, a whole bunch of beer reefers, not a bite.

I put 30 cars out for sale on New Years at the operating session.
Out of 15 LGB, one sold (a pair of flats), but a whole bunch of the USA cars went.

Not complaining, as I ain't into collecting, but I watch what's happening and really wonder.

Yes, the stuff runs good.
Yes, it HAD an "aura" about it.
Yes, some is now made in China.
Yes, the price has dropped.

But, the competition is really making inroads.
Oh, well.

[Anonymous]

I like LGB! It's tough, it works near every time. It's plenty close to scale for the twenty foot rule.
I know if I catch someone in "MY" garden railroad with a scale rule, I take a "Yardstick" after them. [:D] That's after I sick the Doberman on them.[(-D]
All my fine scale stuff stays in the house on the shelf cause it's too blasted expensive, and got "way" too many fiddley bits to break off, to risk having some kid trip over an expensive engine, or have one take a dive off the track. The LGB stuff takes a lick'en, and keeps on tick'en.
You can't tell the difference after a few bourbon and cokes anyway!!!
[(-D][(-D]

[Bucksco]

You can come over and play with my trains anytime Capt_turk!

[Anonymous]

Buckso,
I'd love to, but,,,,, you live north of the Arctic Circle (Interstate 10). Brrrrrrrrrrr......[:D][:D]
The only way I go north of the Artic Circle is if someone is paying me, "Very well"!![:D]
But if you come down here where there is civilized weather, bring your trains. We'll even go crank up the 7 1/2" gauge and ride that around.......or maybe even the 2' gauge!


And there definitely ain't no fiddly bits to break off of them...[:D]

[Bucksco]

I should have a pretty major LGB thing going on in Orlando around mid-April.
I'll keep you posted!

The ride on trains look really cool- I've always wanted to try that.

[tmcc man]

Jack, in Shwencksville, PA (spelling?) there is a railroad like that that I wen to. I had a blast. I will see if I can get some info on it.

[Bucksco]

Thanks Colin!

[Marty Cozad]

Man!!! A working man is out earning money and look at this thread grow.
What was the topic again???
Capt. If I was not into G ,,"gauge" as much i may have tried ride-on trains at this house.

naaaaa,,maybe not.

[Capt Bob Johnson]

I thought about the 2' stuff, but when you look into it thecost of trackage to just run around the edge of 30 acres means you hafta be a movie star or own a computer software company up in the Seattle area!

Turk,
that looks like a Morania or Bouchard there astern of you!

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by railroadingman

Is this guy for real?

Yep, and with a whole lot more info in the profile than you do.

[;)][:D][:D][:D]

BTW this may interest you; apart from posting on fora regarding a few scale discrepancies and other finer detail, every once in a while I design a track plan for someone who would like a particular theme but is a bit restricted for space.

The last one I did - just as a favour to show what could be done - looks like this



Would you believe it, it is an American proto layout and the intent is to run USAT and Aristo equipment, but best of all this is to happen in Germany
!?!. This particular Large Scale modeler is interested in proto operation and uniform scale. Of course I did several different variants on the theme.

Just a small indication that there are a "few people" to whom scale matters. [;)][;)][:D][:D]