Card board coaches

[Anonymous]

Hi all
If it worked there should be a link to an artical in constructing coaches
in card board an old techneque.
But a good one for the more intricate older ones

regards John

[Anonymous]

Hi
Didnt work so here we go written out.
http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/16mmngm/images/articals/Binnie/CardboardCoach/Card_Coach.doc
That should take you straight to the artical worth a read if nothing else
regards john

[bman36]

Hi John,
Nothing. Says page not found. Link OK? Later eh...Brian.

[Anonymous]

Hi bman36
Works from my favorites list but not the Forum I had to type it in.
because I could not get it to attach to the message
Not sure what I did wrong.
Ask me about trains I can come up with or have a good go at finding an answer.
But computers are more like the dark arts.
regards John

Rgards John

[Anonymous]

hi
try that i got it to work this time don't ask me why I dont know. http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/16mmngm/images/articles/Binnie/CarboardCoach/Cardboard_Coach.doc
regards John

[bman36]

John,
Works for me now too. Wow, talk about in depth and detailed. This would be a help to anyone building a coach no matter what the material. thanks for the link. Later eh...Brian.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the link John, very cool site.

[Anonymous]

Hi
While the artical is mainly aimed at the English 16mm scale modeler.
I thought it may be of use particularly to any one that may want to make some of the early US railroad
cars (oops made of wood Erhm coaches) which bore many similarities to the the English /European coaches.[:D]
I know some are manufactured in HO but I dont expect to see any manufactured in "G"
Cannot find a decent drawing being in the wrong country.
So I won't be building any shame they would look good done properly a cheap coach that doesn't look it.
regards John

[Anonymous]

John, Give me an idea of what year time frame 18?? to 19?? and I will check some books over here for you maybe e-mail something to you.

[Anonymous]

Hi Matt
Not sure we are talking just pre bogie (trucks I think they are called in the US) to just after introduction of crude truck I think.
A lot of passenger coaches where still just showing road horse drawn carriage influences but they where not long for the Junk yard.
as progress was fairky rapid in the early days.
regards John

[Anonymous]

Hi carpenter matt
Any luck finding any thing one of my modelrailway freinds sugested looking in the
Model Railroaders from your bi centenial year I dont have any apparently one of those has a bogie coach on crude
bogies that still has the horse drawn coach look to it?
regards John

[Anonymous]

John, I think I understand what you're looking for, Coaches that still have more of a stagecoach look then that of late 1800's train car. I struck out on pics but found a web site www.andibradley.com it seems to be a personal archive of photos. However I couldn't figure out how to open them. I think you may have to e-mail him and he will e-mail you back the picture or pictures your looking for. Let me know what happens.

[Anonymous]

Hi carpenter matt
You got it.
The US went to bogies before the UK so had for want of a better way of puting it bogie stage coaches where as far as Ii am aware all the UK coaches of that type ended there days still on four wheels.
Andi and I are on the same model railway news group so will see what he can come up with.
regards John

[Anonymous]

2 questions does the last picture with the guy in it show the generl look of the carrige? and is 16mm compatable with1:22.5

[Anonymous]

Hi trainmaster1989
16mm to 1 foot is 1/19 scale
For the most part practicsioners of 16mm model two foot gauge railways and coaches and they are more often than not of similar size to an LGB coach so could be put on 45mm gauge wheels think Welsh narrow gauge or Maine spelling ?? two footers.
I put the link up because the construction method can be adapted to any scale, I have seen some very nice Hornby sized coaches
made in card.
If you go back to the early days of the model railway/railroad hobby that is how coaches where scratch built.
any panneld type coach could be built this way.
So if you have seen a coach you liked that is not manufactured or is far too Expencive in 1:22.5 there is no reason you cannot use this method or an adaption of it to get the coach.
regards John

[Anonymous]

hi when john first put it in on the link where it says /articles john put /articals just thought you might wanna know brodie

[Anonymous]

Hay Ya'll

This might be my next project.

Nick

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

Well, I have just come across alot of thick cardboard shoe boxes and I am building 2 coaches based on the coaches Annie and Clarabel in the Thomas the Tank Engine videos.

Wish me luck.

Nick

[Anonymous]

Hi Nick
Read the article carefully the guy that wrote it knows what he is on about.
You will possably find the shoe box card is too thick for that style of coach
it needs to be good quality manila card the stuff office folders are made of.
the panel work on the English.coaches realy does scale out that thin.
Also give some thought to a nice two colour livery for the coaches and have a look at some
pictures of that kind of coach if you have access to any but certanly worth going to the effort to make
them.
And do take note of the use a very sharp knife part and always cut away from your self
Have fun
regards John

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

Thats a good idea. However, the thickness of the cardboard will hold the coaches togeather. I will use the cardboard as an inside wall and then put the card over the walls.

The project is coming along greatly. I have the walls and the roof ready, but I will work on the inside of the coaches before putting it all to geather I think I will paint it like the Caledonion Railway coaches.
I have always been atracted to them, and I think I will scratch uild an 0-6-0 tender locomotive to go with them.

I plan on making 3 of them. I hve found alot of figures at a local garage sale and then I found 3 small toilets that will suit these.

Nick

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

It is lunch time and I am on one of the fastest computers in the library. Anyway, I was browsing for info and pistures of Cardboard coaches and I found what I was looking for.

This is a site that is about a small garden railway. Less the 200 square feet. anyway, the person has a magnificent railway and there are pictures of early days and late days. It also shows a marvalously constructed Cardboard coach.

Here is the site
http://www.johnrogers.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cardboard.htm

Enjoy

Nick

[Anonymous]

Hi Nick
Those 4wh coaches did not have bath rooms caledonian good choice a man after my own heart.
Ah! the PHLR no promises will see if I still have the full set of art work for the coaches (inside and outside) but I have a bad feeling that they got deleted by accident,. did you spot the golden Budah in the jungle[:D]
This railway is a good example of small can be just as interesting as a big railway.just watch out for those tigers and rouge elephants[:D]
regards John

[Anonymous]

hey Ya'll

Thank you for the help John. As I have been exploring my heritage an internet search turned out Parkers are british as are the Hatfeilds and the Shelleys (Parker and Hatfeld on my dads side and Shelly on my moms side). So afetr that it seems natural that I am now a modeler of 16mm British Narrow Gauge.

I have found another picture on this website of his coahes. They are splendid here is the link for the 2 pictures and the home page

Home Page: www.chidhamlightvalleyrailway.com
Coahes 1: http://www.chidhamlightrailway.readywebsites.com/page/page/748093.htm
Coaches 2: http://www.chidhamlightrailway.readywebsites.com/page/page/878377.htm

The coaches are in sets of 3 and they do look splendid.
I might try to make some just like it. (By the way, I am going to use the Malina Card
as much as I am not sure about the way it holds up. I still might use a thinner, yet stron cardboard for bracing. CD covers work great for the windows. The togh job is to cut them without cracking them.

Nick

www.chidhamlightrailway.com

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

By the way, Popsocle sticks work good for roof bracing. Various other small wood works great to.

Nick

[Anonymous]

Nick
Email me off forum I have some art work for 16mm scale coaches I can send to you.
print them on photo card for the outer layers.
I even have some that are so small that only two cd cases one for each side is all you would need.
Have a look at venetian blinds ithe individual strips off the larger width might do for roffs if you can get an old
broken one.
I also have a coach diagram that you would make out floppy disk boxes would need to be made a bit wider
regards John

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

John, I'm sorry, I am not allowed to e-mail, but, can you tell me how tall and wide the coaches should be because as I think I will build a train in 16mm and 45 mm scales.

I have just decided to run what I like, So, I am going to buy dual gauge track from Sunset Valley for my railroad. This will be like the stylings of Marc Horovtiz's Ogden Botanical Railway. Dual Gauge, hardly any buildings. This way, I can run trains from all over the world (stlyings that is) and have trains in 0, 16mm, and G.

This way, styling it like this, all I have to have are a few stations and buildings, and I can concentrate more on the trains and gardening.

Nick

[Anonymous]

HI Nick
The size of 16mm coaches varies conciderably any particular coach you have in mind Ffestiniog bug boxes are quite small the sides on one of those would fit on a CD box with a litte room to spare where as the 3' gauge ravenglass and Exdale is a lot larger and would run on 45mm gauge an Innisfail tramway (Aus one) is big enough to be a bogie coach
No Email what a pain as I have a few print and cut out coach sides and ends on my computer that I could have sent you[:(]
Will do some measuring but how do I get drawings to you the measurements will not be a lot of use with out them.
Any way for coach width for 2' gauge some where between 5'6" and 6' wide
is a good measurment will have to measure up for lengths and hights
Coupling hight the unofficial std for 16mm is 24mm according to some other 16mm modellers I know
regards John.

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

Well, hold on. I mde a great Report Card (straight A's) so my dad might be leanient and let me have it back since I have been acting responsibly so he can trust me on the internet.

I'll try it this afternoon and if it works, I will post you here.

By the way, it is my moms day off so I asked her to pick up a pack or to of the manila folders. I hvae the CD cases and the design is all ready, with luck, I can have this done before friday, so I can see the "Polar Express" (now out, but I saw a special screening saturday) with my mind at ease.

I have ordered some LGB spoked wheels for the 45mm ones. I think they will look great on the mantle in the den, until I can buy a locomotive (electric, until I can get live steam)
to pull them.

We have had a warm fall and a cold winter, so that means only one thing, IT IS GOING TO SNOW. I am requesting an LGB set for christmas and the coacheswill look great behind that locomotive in the snow.

By the way, could you give me straight measurments, a my 13 year old mind cannot grasp the confusion. Like so, I need lenght, width and heighth. Please do it like this

45mm: etc, etc, etc
16mm: etc, etc, etc

Nick

[Anonymous]

Hi Nick
Well done on the report card.
Since you have CD cases I will measure up a bug box coach first.
This is a very small coach ideal for starters.
As it can be built in correct 32mm gauge or as it is wide enough you could sneek 45mm gauge wheels under it if you prefer
The small wheels from the LGB Feld Bahn are best suited to this type of coach
but any 20mm diameter wheels witl do.
Will that coach do to start with?
It should be reasonably easy to build a very similar but believable coach.
Will try and get the information up in a way you can understand it will mean
I probably will have to try and descibe everything I can about the coach
without the aid of drawings or a safety net[:D]
regards John

[Anonymous]

Hey Ya'll

Sorry John, but that is not what I am looking for. Bugboxes hve never looked good to me, but if you look at the links that I posted above, you will see what I am talking about.

The Links are for the Chidham Light Railway. Look on the page I labled Coaches 1 and go to the 3rd photo down from the top with the corner of the patio table showing.

there you will see and Accucraft exelshior with 3 coaches the exact size and shape I want to build. Another just for sizing is the 9th photo down and you will see them too.

Thes are the same size as the ones from Coaches 2, so you needen't bother with that.

Thak You ery, Very, very much.
Nick

By the way, I am only going to build them in 45mm G-Scale