If you have the $...

[tschmidt]

Saw this on E-bay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Lionel-6024-BLACK-Shredded-Wheat-Prototype_W0QQitemZ6048831272QQcategoryZ4146QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TomS

[DCmontana]

Cough, Cough! I don't have the dollars so I won't!

[Anonymous]

Wow! It's interesting to compare this with the turbine prototype that showed up on ebay earlier with an asking price of $50,000. This time, the prototype is definitely authentic and the seller has the provenance to prove it, so it obviously has a far more likely chance of selling. I wonder if there will be any takers.

[Poppa_Zit]

Just curious, and I am not making any accusations here.

But how would one know if one-of-a-kind things like this are authentic? What kind of documentation would a buyer require to buy a $40,000 boxcar? I do not know anything about Lionel -- is the existence of this particular car something collectors have known about? Is it famous? Are there more one-of-a-kind pieces equally famous?

[darianj]

Same seller...This one it $60 grand! I'm with Poppa...how do you know....?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Lionel-6464-Seaboard-Post-War-Prototype_W0QQitemZ6048824971QQcategoryZ4146QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[pbjwilson]

I was interested until I saw the cost of shipping - $25.00

Come on. 60 grand and your gonna charge for shipping?

[FJ and G]

Paul, Yeah, that shipping charge is outrageous.[:D]

[Buckeye Riveter]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Poppa_Zit

Just curious, and I am not making any accusations here.

But how would one know if one-of-a-kind things like this are authentic? What kind of documentation would a buyer require to buy a $40,000 boxcar? I do not know anything about Lionel -- is the existence of this particular car something collectors have known about? Is it famous? Are there more one-of-a-kind pieces equally famous?

Great points.

Since I'm not a collector, but an operator, I've wondered many of the same things. How do you folks that are collectors authenticate something like this?

[andregg1]

so they can try to catch the Lexus.........LOL.
Any best offer...........1/3 of our annual salari...........
Andre.

[Lafondue]

well funnyfor those high priced item there is only 2 small pics each, shoot on a brick wall...!!!!!!
Even if I had the $ would not buy something like this from E-bay....

By the way do someone know if the OGR forum is down...can't connect to it since a few days

[1688torpedo]

No thanks! 1688s are much,much,much,much,Less! Same for Corvairs![:D][;)][:P][:)][:o)][8D] Take Care.

[andregg1]

WOW the second one have a offer!!!!
Andre.

[prewardude]

$100,000.00 for two plastic boxcars? [(-D]

Lafondue, OGR is working fine for me.

Regards,
Clint

[csxt30]

Oh, maybe if you win both, you could talk him into free shipping !! [:D][:D]
Thanks,

[Poppa_Zit]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andregg1

WOW the second one have a offer!!!!
Andre.

Andre, it is only an offer, not a bid. It could be for $1.00. He won't take it, I'll bet.

[danrunner]

What a joke. 40 k on a plastic car. good luck.

I'm off to sell rare snow to an investment group of eskimos.

[Big_Boy_4005]

My pickup truck needs to be replaced. Even then I would have money left over to buy trains I really liked. I don't usually spend $40 on a single boxcar. I don't care if it came from Jesus Christ's private collection. Some people!!!!

Beside, I don't even like Shreded Wheat.[xx(][:O][banghead][(-D][(-D][(-D]

[markn]

You know, alot of times they don't have all the bugs worked out on those prototypes...I think I'll have to wait awhile

[phillyreading]

How many jokers are out there should be the question this time. PLEASE see Greenberg's price guide as I just did for the post-war 6024, top dollar price is $60.00, and that is for the uncataloged one from 1957.
The old saying applies here: A FOOL & HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED!!!
Lee F.

[andregg1]

Is good for ebay too....think about the final price charge!!
andre.

[laz 57]

I don't like Shredded Wheat taste like a brillo pad.
Worse then eaten GRITS.
laz57

[wrmcclellan]

LAZ - "worse than eaten grits" - oh the pain!

[FJ and G]

I find it a bit ironic that the title of this forum is "Toy train operating and collecting," and no collector has jumped in here to defend the price as "reasonable."

Laz,

Grits & shredded wheat provide fiber to help you stay regular [:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by laz 57

I don't like Shredded Wheat taste like a brillo pad.
Worse then eaten GRITS.
laz57

Uhhh....DITTO....Never cared for the "Mule fodder" either, so I've got a better use for $40,000.00. Living expenses! and maybe a couple of new Lokkies! [:p]

[mersenne6]

FJ and G ....ooooooh that hurt! ....so can one assume that you define a collector as a person who is enamoured of trains and has no monitary sense at all??? [:O]

Granted, I have met a few fellow collectors over the years who seemed to think that 401K was the minimum amount of money needed to build a starter layout , however, I suspect the reason no collector has jumped in is because they are in complete agreement (as I am) and have nothing else to offer.[:)]

I can't speak for the black PRR car but I do have the TM book that is referenced and memory says the Seaboard boxcar pictured in that volume has serial number 0000 on the side which is at odds with the car pictured. I'm also a little skeptical of the trucks on the Seaboard car. I'll check the book this evening and post an update if I have anything to add/correct.

[DCmontana]

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[1688torpedo]

Hello Mercenne6! Lionel usually used four zero's to designate a Protoyype & they did this for Engines & Rolling Stock as well.Some items had maybe one or two zero's or none at all.Take Care.

[mersenne6]

Ok, managed to find the picture on pp. 25 of Volume 5. The car in the e-bay ad does match the one pictured- including the trucks. I was thinking of the CB&Q prototype on pp.23 which is of similar color and does have the prototype 0000 serial number. The credit for the picture says "private collection" so given that the seller can offer the pedigree it looks like it is for real....guess I'll have to pass though[:)]

[underworld]

I'd take it if he had the whole set! Bits and pieces.....amateur! [:p]

underworld

aka The Violet

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[Fred Bear]

Since we are selling rare stuff, I'm going to part with mine. I have a 1771 ( year of manufacture) Lionel kite car. It runs from a string that is attached to a kite. Can only be run when windy and during a lightening storm. It's from my private collection also. It's plastic. Ben Franklin had a part in the invention. Jake