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Williams Steam Locomotives and Smoke [?]

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Williams Steam Locomotives and Smoke [?]
Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:49 PM

I understand that Williams Steam Locomotives use sleuth smoke units, but is there an on/off switch on these engines enabling you to turn off the power to the sleuth unit?

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Posted by SantaFe158 on Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:28 AM

They have Seuth smoke units.  There isn't a switch, but it's just plugged into a circuit board inside and is easy to disconnect if you don't want to use it.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:37 AM

SantaFe158

They have Seuth smoke units.  There isn't a switch, but it's just plugged into a circuit board inside and is easy to disconnect if you don't want to use it.

Thanks SF. It was my understanding that these seuth smoke units if not kept wet with smoke fluid will burn out. Do you know if that is true?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:24 PM

Buckeye,

                  Yes, they will burn out if run dry.  Been there, done that.  They also have a tendency to clog and burn out if a smoke fluid that is either too thick or scented with certain ingredients is used due to the close tolerances inside the tube that contains the heating element.  Stick with Williams fluid

On the Williams Berk that I had,  the smoke unit was a 6V Seuthe unit that was connected to a circuit board with a 7805 regulator.  There wasn't a switch, but the unit could be unplugged just as easily.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Friday, February 17, 2012 5:16 AM

Thanks Jim.  I bet if I changed it to TMCC by using ERR Cruise Commander and with the 16v-18v in the track, it would even burn out faster. 

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Posted by Seayakbill on Friday, February 17, 2012 7:16 AM

I just read a review of Williams by Bachmann  new 10 wheeler that it has an off / on switch for the Seuthe smoke unit. Guess Williams realizes that not all folks want the smoke unit running 100% of the time.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 17, 2012 8:09 AM

Buckeye,

                    16-18V wouldn't be a problem since the regulator would limit the voltage to 5V at the smoke unit anyway.

Since you are installing TMCC, I'd suggest ditching the Seuthe unit and installing a fan driven unit.  If I had done that, I'd still have my Berk.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM

Great information!  Thanks guys!!  I have an email to Boxcar Bill asking about the fan driven smoke unit. He has a video on his website where a steamer is just pounding out the smoke, but I can not identify the manufacturer of the steamer.  The video doesn't really give me an idea if he uses a switch to simulate the chug rate.   

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Posted by Boxcar Bill on Friday, February 17, 2012 4:25 PM

Buckeye

  That is a Williams engine with a lionel smoke unit. No chuff on a turbine.

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Posted by KEVINK22 on Monday, February 20, 2012 6:26 PM

Hey Bill,

 We have spoken before about the smoke units you sell, and if that is the kind of smoke unit without chuff, which one of the smoke units that you list would be for a steam engine with chuff? Thanks for the help.

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