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Posted by traindaddy1 on Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:49 AM

Bruce:  Data point..........NYC      1959     $53.00    Hope this helps!

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Posted by DMUinCT on Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:09 AM

servoguy
Jack, What year did you get the set? Your comment about your dad making $49 a week is a data point for me. I am trying to develop a small data set of what salaries were in the past. Thanks Bruce Baker

 

You might add this to your data base.

Union "Elevator Constructors", one of the elite and best paid of the "Building Trades", received 75 cents an hour for a 44 hour week in the mid 1930s (Great Depression).  They install, modernize, and maintain elevators and escalators for the Manufacturers. Pay varies from city to city based on what other local Building Trades receive. This is in New England.  This is considered a "dangerous occupation".

After World War II, 1940s, the pay for a Journeyman Mechanic rose to $1 an hour again for 44 hours.  When I entered the business in 1955 a Mechanic received $2.92 an hour for a 40 hour week. By the early 1960 it was about $3.50 but a Medical Plan and Vacations were finally added.  In the 1970s runaway inflation caused sharp pay raises and was followed by a deep Recession, as bad as now.  The construction "boom" of the 1980s and 90s plus the switch to microprocessor controls again built an elite work force with hansom pay to match. Today we pay our Mechanics around $44 an hour for a 40 hour week.

That 700E / 5344 Hudson for $75 in the 1937 catalog, if Lionel matched wage inflation, would cost $4,350 today. China labor helps to contain costs.

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Posted by Hudson#685 on Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:27 AM

Bruce,

That was me not Jack. The year was 1953, and that was with OT that week. I checked with my Mom this morning and she said that he spent the normal paycheck, but he made $10 extra with OT and worked Sunday cutting trees to make up the money he spent on the set. She said that he took home between $37 and $39 a week back then. He was a lineman with NJ Bell Telephone.

Hope that this helps,

John

 

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:55 PM
Bruce.....the 3 window version of the 2046 Hudson with the 2046W whistling tender was made only in 1950 and 1951.  My Dad didn't give me this Hudson until Christmas of 1955. 

Based on the freight cars I have, a couple of accesories, and the 1033 90 watt transformer I have, I must  surmise he bought the 1473WS set in 1950 which was the only year that particular set was offered, and before I was born.  Mom was pregnant with me and he must have read some tea leaves or had some power of positive thinking thing going and expected a boy.  There were no fetus sex tests way back then.

A year earlier, Christmas 1954, was when he gave me my first Lionel train, a 1952 flat top 2031 Rock Island AA Alco pair and 3 of the silver 242X streamliner cars.  The 2031 was not sold in sets, so he had to have purchased the stuff separately.   

My 2046 bias is purely sentimental.  But I know my Dad was proud of how well I took care of the trains, even at a very young age.  Amazing how well parenting and guidance can work!

I am certain many of the guys on the forum got their first trains in fairly much the same fashion as I did.  "It's for the children!!!!"  Wind up trains were the poor man's train......and if you had children, continuously winding those suckers up with your parental thumb must have gotten old real fast producing prodigious blisters in the process.

I believe this was the dawn of the "But honey, our boy needs a real electric train" excuse reason that caused the postwar uptick in the sale of AF and Lionel trains, even when money was still pretty tight.  I know my family was skating on thin ice financially back then; but somehow my dad, working 6.5 days a week, squirreled the money away.....no credit cards back then either.

Jack

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Monday, July 12, 2010 1:03 PM

I could live without a Berk if Bob Nelson would sell me his scale 773 Husdon for what he stole picked it up for.  Wink

Jack

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Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, July 12, 2010 3:54 PM

Isn't it wonderful how toy trains can capture your imagination and set you to dreaming of make-believe experiences in a world of model railroading fantasy?

Bob Nelson

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Monday, July 12, 2010 4:23 PM

lionelsoni

Isn't it wonderful how toy trains can capture your imagination and set you to dreaming of make-believe experiences in a world of model railroading fantasy?

I take this to mean you won't be gifting it me to any time soon.  Sad

Jack

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Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, July 12, 2010 6:35 PM

That's right--no soup Hudson for you!

(Maybe a Husdon if I come across one!...;-)

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:37 PM

Bob.....the scale Hudson Nazi.  Wink

How about if I just borrow yours to make sure that I would like one.  You wouldn't want me to make a regrettable mistake and get stuck with a 773, would you? 

Jack

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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:32 PM

Here's a Hudson for you:

(My first car was a 1956 Hudson just like this one, with a 5-liter straight-6 engine.  Check out the 4-tone paint.)

Bob Nelson

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Posted by Train-O on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:04 AM
Here's a little bit on Hudson Motor Car Co. I'm having a problem trying to add a link, so you'll have to hand type in the info., sorry. Ralph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Motor_Car_Company
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Posted by servoguy on Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:00 AM
Here are a couple of data points I remember: I started working as an engineer in 1963 at Bell Laboratories in NJ for $3.75 and hour ($7500/year). My wife would go to the grocer store and buy 6 bags of groceries for $17. These were paper bags, not these little plastic bags. Today, at Costco, that would cost about $350 (just an educated guess). In 1958 I was in high school, and a loaf of bread cost about 20 cents. A salary of $100/week in 1958 was pretty good. My dad was a chemistry professor and he made about $625/month in those days. I had a high school classmate whose dad worked for Santa Fe as an engineer, and I think he made close to $600/month. Bruce Baker
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Posted by traindaddy1 on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:44 AM

The decision:       Thanks for all your advice.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:00 AM

Thumbs Up that is one fine looking engine!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:14 PM

That is a beautiful 2046 and 2046W.  They still have that smokey black appearance which is hard to find.

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:15 PM

Traindaddy......sweet!  The shell condition of both the steamer and the tender are great.  Paint, handrails, cab, boilerplate lights, driverods clean.  Someone took good care of them.  Where did you finally find them?

Jack.

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:56 PM

Jack:   (Don't tell anyone. It was "E-Bay") Smile

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:38 PM

From the picture, I can't tell if yours is the 3 window cab version (1950-1951) or the 4 window version (1953).

Jack

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Friday, July 23, 2010 8:24 AM

Jack:  It's the 1953 four window with die-cast trailing truck.  (I know that the three window earlier version is, perhaps, more desireable but this one was well within this "older" guy's budget and super fine for my purpose)

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:45 PM

Traindaddy.....Fabulous condition!

Jack

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Posted by Cobrabob8 on Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:38 PM

I don't own a 736, but I do own two 2046 locos from 1950. Both are excellent pullers, very reliable and run like champs. I hope to buy a 736 some day, as nothing beats the 4 drive wheels per side and the side rods. I do own two of the newer, smaller Berks. I have an NKP and a C&O. Those locos are also good runners, although not as massive as a 736.

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