Well, the catalog did not indicate smoke etc and the BFOC had no sound or smoke, so I wasn't expecting it. OTOH - Yes, a smoke unit and a whistle & bell would have made it even better
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brutus ... can you believe lionel did'nt put a smoke unit in a beautiful ... fantastic engine like that though ? Why they skrimped on something that would have only cost them $3.00 at the factory ... man they are beautiful .... fantastic really . I'd like to stick my finger in the eye of their marketing manager ... LOL .
Quotes from my above pictures. The picture is taken from Popular Mechanics "RAILROAD ALBUM" dated 1954. The caption readsNow in the Smithsonian, the John Bull is the oldest locomotive in America. Built by Stephenson in 1831 for the Camden & Amboy RR,it originally looked much like the other early four-driver locomotives. The pilot truck, with it's cowcatcher,was added when it was rebuilt in 1833; the headlight, whistle and bell were added later. [Pennsylvania RR photo]From the other Photo taken from "150 Years of Train Models" [1999]The John Bull remained in service until 1865. In 1893 it ran 973 miles from New York to Chicago's Columbian Exposition with two coaches after which it was returned to the then U.S. National Museum in Washington, D.C., now the Smithsonian.
I love mine - great action on the locomotive and it runs very smoothly. No smoke, bell or whistle, but I'm not sure if they had a whistle back then? Bell? It was made in England, right? Nice set, glad I got it -- it can keep Buford the Best Friend of Charleston company while we wait for the Lion next! I was very glad to find it has a working lamp!
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Smoking inflicts body with many irreversible damages and reduces the human life span by 25 years. That's why I don't mind if it does not smoke.
Went down to the local shop to plunk down my debit card for a John Bull .... boy was I surprised also NOT EVEN A SMOKER ! Lord the General which is way below on engineering was smokin it's little heart out . Well back in my wallet went my card . then i came home and read these ... wish it would have been posted about that before I made that trip ....
The top pix is the Lion under steam and the two below more of the John Bull.
The engine does not have a smoke unit.
Lots of tiny details and levers moving. Wish they had slipped a smoke unit in it. Miss Edna had one running yesterday. Will not be paying $400+ for it. Worth it to the collector or somone who likes to run early engines.
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This is for the rivit counters. Picture is from 1831 of the John Bull. Good Job Lionel.
Look what I found under a bag of silica. Tha engineer and fireman, flags and two round things I have no idea what they are for. These items are not mentioned in the Owner's manual.
I saw one on display and naturally for sale at Wild Bills this afternoon. Was tempted to purchas it but am saving and awaiting the Pere Marquette 1225.
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cnw1995 Simply exquisite. Thanks so much for taking the time to post photos. Doug, what Sir Topham Hatt thing?
Simply exquisite. Thanks so much for taking the time to post photos.
Doug, what Sir Topham Hatt thing?
Calendar : Sir Topham Hatt Event : Sir Topham Hatt Event Description : Sir Topham Hatt visits the museum at 9:00 am. He will read stories, take pictures with the children and do a coloring activtiy. The event is FREE from 9am to 10am! Date : 12 March 2009 Submitted By : Ana
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Very true brent ... lionroar .... much smaller and they were much more elaborate in trim also . Even the passenger coaches and other cars were decorated outside and extremely highly beautiful inside compared to later giants introduced . Solid hardwood engraved furniture instead of assembly line type furnishings .... in the higher end cars . Real upholstered couches and chairs .... no flop down beds ... LOL . I don't know what year they went to the commercial type engines and cars .... ? I'm so glad lionel finally built a high end looking engine in that era ... hope they manufacture more .... geez ... maybe even some a bit lower in price ... yea right ... LOL . Seemed only On3 and 2 rail had the great detailed older engines until now .
I heard some concern about size. I know Lionel modeled this to scale and some have said it looks more like an HO engine than an O? Now back when the John Bull was first produced it was small... so you have to keep that in perspective.Nice model though - thanks for sharing!
link and pin
Looks Great!!! What type of couplers did Lionel use on these? Are they the standard 3 Rail, Link and Pin, or some thing else?
Doug
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Sweet! I didn't order extra cars - might have see if they got any in on spec!
WOW ... that is a beautiful set ! Love that little guy riding along . What is he ?
mdainsddougdagrump Mark, I'll be there 7am til about 10am or so this thursday depending on how the Sir Topham Hat thing goes and on friday til closing, 4pm. Be more than happy to show you around and give you the rundown on membership, etc. Just look for the scruffy old codger with the beard, I grew the beard so CTT visitors would know who to look for. dab nagit! im working at those times. ever ther on a saturday or sunday?
dougdagrump Mark, I'll be there 7am til about 10am or so this thursday depending on how the Sir Topham Hat thing goes and on friday til closing, 4pm. Be more than happy to show you around and give you the rundown on membership, etc. Just look for the scruffy old codger with the beard, I grew the beard so CTT visitors would know who to look for.
Mark,
I'll be there 7am til about 10am or so this thursday depending on how the Sir Topham Hat thing goes and on friday til closing, 4pm. Be more than happy to show you around and give you the rundown on membership, etc. Just look for the scruffy old codger with the beard, I grew the beard so CTT visitors would know who to look for.
This saturday is definitely out, I might be able to meet you there this sunday but I won't know for sure til wednesday/thursday time frame. I'll drop you an e-mail when I know for sure.
dougdagrumpMark, I'll be there 7am til about 10am or so this thursday depending on how the Sir Topham Hat thing goes and on friday til closing, 4pm. Be more than happy to show you around and give you the rundown on membership, etc. Just look for the scruffy old codger with the beard, I grew the beard so CTT visitors would know who to look for.
One COOL ENGINE!!! Have fun!
laz57
The John Bull is as strong as a Bull with plenty of power to easily pull the three coaches.Pardon the rough layout. Our house is being remodeled and the train room is Aaaa well [storage] The train runs like a fine watch. The engine does not have a E unit. A swt. is located on the roof under a cover for fwd and rev. The two traction tires provide the umpf. The detail is awesome.
I'd have to put it in the fantastic rating !
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