Thanks njalb1! LOVE the sign! Was it posted in front of 3railguy's home or Buckeye's?
Tom thought you would like this sign
Great pics, guys! The looks on those happy and engaged faces says it all. My granddaughter, about the time the pictures are being taken, reminds me of the original task at hand, tells me to put the camera down, and suggests we get back to playing with the trains.
Granted, the young ones can quickly get bored if not disruptive in a public venue as is being discussed. But isn't that part of parenting and grandparenting? Spending time WITH them in a less structured environment, stoking the imagination, and developing some social skills? Spending time doing things WITH the kids rather than dropping them off at some scheduled activity and picking them up later?
I would rather see parents and grandparents spending time with their children out in public, even when the kids act out and it affects me. It goes with the territory. Whether it be a toy train venue, a restaurant, or the grocery store. These are PUBLIC places. And the little ones are part of the public.
Deal with it, or visit venues folks don't take their kids to.
Jack
IF IT WON'T COME LOOSE BY TAPPING ON IT, DON'T TRY TO FORCE IT. USE A BIGGER HAMMER.
The pics posted here sum things up pretty well. Very few activities bond children and adults like model trains do. Both children and adults feel the same thrill and excitement taking things to an inseperable level.
CJ,
I think I saw you and your daughter at York last year!...just a handful of youngsters attended, and me being a newer dad, you tend to look at things like that. I didn't see any kids acting up while I was there. Pretty remarkable considering this amount of continuous walking required at York.
Wes
Sounds like he's almost advocating some type of 'baby sitting service'. For a few extra $$$ you can drop your kid off and go train shopping? If your kid is too young to appreciate and accompany you through the show, best to leave 'em home. How many of us have seen plenty of crying / sobbing 'another happy railroader' kids at shows. I wouldn't dream of dropping my kids off to a stranger to watch 'em while I walked away.
I took the youngest of my three daughters (8yrs old) to York for the first time last year. She was greeted with smiles and warm comments from everyone who met her. Afterwards, when we went out for dinner, she did call Mom and tell her she was 'sick of trains'. Asked if she'd go with me this year, she quickly said 'yes'.
CJ Meyers
Roger Bielen My problem is with strollers, especially doubles. Hard on the ankles.
My problem is with strollers, especially doubles. Hard on the ankles.
Guess you have never been run over by a scooter !!
It's a good chance those are Dinosaurs in the gondolas, and the firetrucks, well lets just say that my Brother-in-Law is a Fireman/Paramedic. Not having had any Sons of my own, "Uncle Doug" does spoil his Nephews, when it comes to trains, they are all definitely HOOKED.
May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails
Challenger, if those are dinosaurs in those gondolas I think you have hit the little kid trifecta there, trains, dinosaurs and fire trucks!
If you don't like children involved with toy trains then you need to read the Editor's Corner by Allan Miller December 2007 OGR magazine !
" Growing A Great Tradition"
I could have ALMOST believed this on the MR forum, where they take things like how many rails the tracks have way too seriously. I sure wouldn't have expected it here though.
To ME, I get as much Satisfaction, and Enjoyment out of the Hobby BECAUSE of the Kids. Here are pics of 3 of my Nephews, those Smiles Pretty much say it All.
Doug
I haven't posted on this forum in awhile but when I saw this thread it really ticked me off and I had to get on my soap box and to paraphrase Dennis Miller,"I don't mean to go on a rant here, but...".
Why don't we charge extra for anyone we can't have a meaningful train discussion with? Is it that hard for you to take a few minutes of your valuable time to talk to a kid about a train even if it's only "How fast will it go?" or "How many cars can it pull?" These are toys, not adult only items and if you think that only people who have "meaningful" discussions about them make up the majority of us you are sadly mistaken my friend! I guess when my 3 year old grandson wants me to go downstairs with him to play with the choo choos that is an inconvenience. No we have fun PLAYING with our trains, we put ping pong balls in the dump cars and blocks in the gondolas and blow the whistle til the tender just about rattles itself apart and sometimes I just sit there while he makes up a story about moving this or that around on the layout, nothing "meaningful" gets said or done but when all is said and done it was meaningful, to him and to me. If you're willing to blow off younger people because they are some sort of bother to you then maybe you need to find a hobby that doesn't require you to have any contact with other people. I truly pity you.
My recollection is that the courtesy was fairly uncommon back before smoking bans were enacted, not that that has a lot to do with banning children from train shows.
Bob Nelson
Zephyrx I hope this thread comes to an end, It obviously serves no purpose in this forum. One parting question to some of you who took this post personally: How do you feel about designated areas for families in restaurants? And to 3railguy & Buckeye.riveter, I don't mean in Chuck-E-Cheese's.
I hope this thread comes to an end, It obviously serves no purpose in this forum. One parting question to some of you who took this post personally: How do you feel about designated areas for families in restaurants? And to 3railguy & Buckeye.riveter, I don't mean in Chuck-E-Cheese's.
Why not Chuck-E-Cheeses? Both trainshows and Chuckee's involve playthings designed to bond children and adults. Model trains and playground equipment. Unless of course you're into delicate brass or something. Then a private association designated to adults is probably for you.
Zephyrx How do you feel about designated areas for families in restaurants? And to 3railguy & Buckeye.riveter, I don't mean in Chuck-E-Cheese's.
If we follow the logic, it could all work out........
Similiar to smoking; Initially no rules, just common courtesy, 1) Establish designated smoking areas, 2) Ban smoking in restaurants and bars, 3) Ban smoking in public places, 4) Ban smoking in home, if it part of a multi-family building, 5) Permit local cities and communities to ban smoking in geographical limits, 5) Currently, activist group to ban smoking in the entire state.
Just imagine a state without anyone younger than 21 or 18?
There oughta be a law ! (we need more)
Don
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This started with charging more money to get children into train shows, and has morphed into secluding families in restaurants.
What bothers you about children and families in public places?
Kurt
Your comments about 3railguy and Buckeye serve no purpose on this forum either, and they were far from the only ones who disagreed with your "IDEA".
3railguy Buckeye RiveterJohn....I just wanted to make sure that credit is due where credit is due. Fixed it. Sorry!!! PS, thanks.
Buckeye RiveterJohn....I just wanted to make sure that credit is due where credit is due.
Fixed it. Sorry!!!
PS, thanks.
No problem in the least.
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PS, thanks for the input.
My advice is if you don't like the way a show is run don't go. If some one would want to dump there kid off on someone else to watch should of left the kid at home. As for TCA shows the local show they run in Philly is excellent and the venders seem to love the kids. They have layouts running and train races. And when I go without my son they always ask where he is. (Maybe cause he makes me spend more) If you are going to charge more for a child then you should charge for being overwieght cause you take up more space, or make tall people stand behind shorter people cause the tall ones can see over the short ones shoulder. 5 minute limit at each table. Only 2 questions about a item. Sounds dumb don't it.
Zephyrx And to 3railguy, obviously your first reply to this post "????????????????" shows trhat you were confused with the higher math (X + 10) used in the post. Sorry 'bout that!
And to 3railguy, obviously your first reply to this post "????????????????" shows trhat you were confused with the higher math (X + 10) used in the post. Sorry 'bout that!
John....I just wanted to make sure that credit is due where credit is due.
Zephyrx: And to 3railguy, obviously your first reply to this post "????????????????" shows trhat you were confused with the higher math (X + 10) used in the post. Sorry 'bout that!
I was confused as to whether you had too much to drink, are trolling this forum, or if the forum got spammed. Otherwise, I did not take offense to your tasteless post that comes off as discriminating of children. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and join a private adult organization.
I read and understood you ? I will second Buckeye and Wes's responce!
Jason
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Zephyrx The overwhelmingly negative reponse to my Pay to Play posting was not unexpected, but was still disappointing. The subject was presented as an IDEA... food for thought... like giving HO its own room at large auctions. Some VERY DEFENSIVE forum readers out there. Perhaps, you are the same adults that block the tables with strollers or bring in the unruly kids (jdaddy not included)? And to 3railguy, obviously your first reply to this post "????????????????" shows trhat you were confused with the higher math (X + 10) used in the post. Sorry 'bout that!
The overwhelmingly negative reponse to my Pay to Play posting was not unexpected, but was still disappointing. The subject was presented as an IDEA... food for thought... like giving HO its own room at large auctions. Some VERY DEFENSIVE forum readers out there. Perhaps, you are the same adults that block the tables with strollers or bring in the unruly kids (jdaddy not included)? And to 3railguy, obviously your first reply to this post "????????????????" shows trhat you were confused with the higher math (X + 10) used in the post. Sorry 'bout that!
No one was confused. We can read and understood excatly what you were advocating; charging a higher admissions fee for children. With all the discussions of bringing a new generation into the hobby, many found it incredulous that anyone took the time to promote the IDEA. (As they say,Not worth the paper it was written on.) York is a restrictive show, and if you want to attend and see the hobby at its best join TCA.
Knowing John from his past posts, he was not confused by the simple math.
Some of the best train shows in Central Ohio welcomes children with special exhibts, Legos, and floor runners. Everyone once was a kid and I started in this hobby at very early age.
I think your response was just as defensive...and no one is going to pay a surcharge to get their kids into a trains show. That's a York environment.
I understand what you are saying, but generations of shows have made it work, so this one can too. Strollers move with the flow of people. If a kid had a $100 bill in his hand, I bet you would let him look around with less hassle...oh wait, he does, it's called dad's wallet...
There is a lot to be said about bad parenting too. As a parent, it's our job to be respectful of other's property when our kids are too young to do it themselves. I hear you there.
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