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Traction Tires ?
Posted by traindaddy1 on Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:53 PM

Within the last six months, I've had to install new traction tires on two engines.  Got to wondering......How long should traction tires usually last and is there any secret to extending their life span?   As always, many thanks.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:00 PM
 traindaddy1 wrote:

Within the last six months, I've had to install new traction tires on two engines.  Got to wondering......How long should traction tires usually last and is there any secret to extending their life span?   As always, many thanks.

I don't know for sure.  Some of mine are seven years old.  A panic stop on some engines will pop them off the wheel. Confused [%-)]

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Posted by dougdagrump on Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:30 PM
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:
 traindaddy1 wrote:

Within the last six months, I've had to install new traction tires on two engines.  Got to wondering......How long should traction tires usually last and is there any secret to extending their life span?   As always, many thanks.

I don't know for sure.  Some of mine are seven years old.  A panic stop on some engines will pop them off the wheel. Confused [%-)]

As will jack rabbit starts/spinning a wheel. Sigh [sigh] 

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:32 PM

I have several 2029 & 8142 steam engines with original tires, a 634, a 8206, & 8030, 8031, 8111, and several more MPC diesels with original tires.  I've replaced the tires on the 8363 F-3 just recently, and on the 8352 SF GP-20.  Those really have the high-speed-many-hours history, though.

I guess it all depends.

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:42 PM
THANKS GUYS.  Like I said.  Just wondering. 
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Posted by ChiefEagles on Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:25 PM
Dick Teal [great train repairman] suggest you replace them with a size smaller diameter.  Tried it and it worked.  Will throw one once in a while with long heavy load and high speed.

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Posted by sean s. on Friday, March 21, 2008 5:56 AM
I have applied a tiny amount of crazy glue to the tire, and have had much success.  Just stretch the tire enough to get under it with a small jewler's flat head, and use a toothpick to get a few dabs of glue.  It would help to have a third hand in this task, but it is possible.
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Posted by sean s. on Friday, March 21, 2008 5:57 AM
I have applied a tiny amount of crazy glue to the tire, and have had much success.  Just stretch the tire enough to get under it with a small jewler's flat head, and use a toothpick to get a few dabs of glue under the rubber tire.  It would help to have a third hand in this task, but it is possible.
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Posted by traindaddy1 on Friday, March 21, 2008 6:03 AM
Chief - Sean: Thanks for advice.
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Posted by Roger Bielen on Friday, March 21, 2008 6:56 AM
If I have a slipping tire I use rubber cement instead of crazy/super glue.  At least you can easily clean the wheel when replacement is necessary.  I think one of the biggest culperts in wearing tires is open track joints
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Posted by 3railguy on Friday, March 21, 2008 8:37 PM
I agree on contact cement (rubber cement) over super glue. Super glue is very difficult to remove if you change the tire again and new super glue does not adhere well to old super glue. Some guys toss the traction tires all together and trowel on silicone black high temp gasket maker. I've never tried it but I understand it works really well.
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Posted by ChiefEagles on Friday, March 21, 2008 10:59 PM

 Roger Bielen wrote:
If I have a slipping tire I use rubber cement instead of crazy/super glue.  At least you can easily clean the wheel when replacement is necessary.  I think one of the biggest culperts in wearing tires is open track joints

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Posted by brianel027 on Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:53 AM

I re-adhere all my traction tires using 3M brand Carpet Tape and have no troubles what-so-ever.

As a footnote (as to my experience with what I operate), MPC put the traction tires on the same side of a diesel motor truck, if it had 2 traction tires. K-Line put them all over the place, but mostly on opposite sides of the truck and on differing axles - one on the back left wheel and one of the front right wheel.

I find this arrangment of having them on differing sides (especially on wheels of the same axle) causes more wear on both the traction tires and on the locomotive motors - especially on tight curves. So I keep them on one side, even if it means complete removal of one traction tire on each truck. But I find my locos actually run better this way.

I've also discovered over the years, that the Mabuchi motors used in the truck motor mounted diesels do behave differently. I have a few diesels, like a K-Line Alco FA now done in the snowbird Lehigh Valley scheme, that I have removed all traction tires and the loco runs and pulls just fine. I've tried this on some others, and have found I needed to put at least one or two traction tires back on. All my Lionel Industrial Switchers have their traction tire removed and they all pull like champs, but I've also made modifications to those locos, including the addition of weights.

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:20 AM
Great information ! Am learning a lot......as always. Thanks.

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