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Repairing Brent's Trains
Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:15 PM

 

I was able to photograph Brent's tender and vista dome this afternoon. This serves to establish a starting point and documents how the cars looked when I got them.

The purpose of these repairs is not to restore the train cars to like new condition. Rather it is to bring them back up to a respectable level of presentation, consistent with the other trains in Brent's collection.

Here is the worst part of the vista dome. The paint is completely gone from the upper corner. I have no idea how or why this happened. Some oxidation is evident on the truck.

 

Another small spot missing paint on the same side.

 

Scratches on the roof

 

Trucks and wheels need cleaning and re-bluing

 

The tender has a hole that needs filling. It appears the object seen inside the hole did the damage, perhaps in a fall.

 

Side view of the tender

 

Top view showing paint loss

 

This side view shows parts of 2 letters gone. They need to be re-painted to look like stamping.

 

Donor shell with latex caulk in same relative position as hole. When the caulk is dry, it will act as a mold to cast a new part from. As the bottom photo shows, this is not Brent's damaged shell.

 

The next step is disassembly and cleaning.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:58 PM

Jim,

       I can't wait to see what it looks like when you get it done.  Did you get my email from Shutterfly? 

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Posted by Jumijo on Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:09 AM

I opened up the car last night and saw no water damage or rust any where. The interior is very clean. I doubt that water damage did this to the paint.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:27 AM

Wow... you've made more progress in 1 day than I did in 4 years!

Can't wait to see them when they are done!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:28 AM
 Jumijo wrote:

I opened up the car last night and saw no water damage or rust any where. The interior is very clean. I doubt that water damage did this to the paint.


When you look at the stain and the truck, it makes one wonder if this isn't alkaline battery damage... Confused [%-)]
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Posted by rtraincollector on Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:11 AM
Hey Jim if you need some 2037 girls train Pink let me know I have about half a 1/2 pint can you can getBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by Jumijo on Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:30 AM

 

I'll do that RRT. Do you think that's enough to get both cars painted? 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:33 AM
 Jumijo wrote:

 

I'll do that RRT. Do you think that's enough to get both cars painted? 



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Posted by rtraincollector on Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:10 AM
I was thinking just the tender as he could then say hes got a girls set tender lol

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Posted by dbaker48 on Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:34 AM
This is real interesting, its like being in an observation deck watching surgery being performed?  (never done that either)  Very well documented process.  I'm impressed.

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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, October 19, 2007 2:39 PM
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 Jumijo wrote:

I opened up the car last night and saw no water damage or rust any where. The interior is very clean. I doubt that water damage did this to the paint.



When you look at the stain and the truck, it makes one wonder if this isn't alkaline battery damage... Confused [%-)]

Could be alkaline battery but looks more like rusty water from a heating system pipe that leaked.  I think that alkaline battery may have damged the plastic shell too.

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Posted by Jumijo on Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:10 PM

 

Some new progress to report today.

Here are a few photos of the tender shell. The mold was put in place and a slurry of plastic and liquid model cement was poured into the damaged area. I made the liquified plastic have the consistency of thick pancake batter so it wouldn't bleed out of the mold. Basically, once it was poured, it stayed where it landed. If all goes well, the end result will be a near perfect replacement for the broken area.

I'll let this harden for a day or two before removing the mold. Hopefully the molded plastic part for the tender will not shrink.

 

The vista dome's wheels were covered with crud. I seriously doubt if anyone ever cleaned their train's wheels in the post war era. So the first step was to clean them with a wire wheel in a Dremel tool. They came out shiny, almost chrome-like. No more crud. I also cleaned up the pickup roller while I was at it.

The next step was to re-blacken the wheels. I used an inxepensive gun blueing liquid applied with a cotton swab.

That's all the progress that was made today.

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Posted by kpolak on Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:40 PM

Does the bluing protect the wheels from gunk, or is it mearly cosmetic?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:38 PM
Lookin' good Jim!

I really appreciate this!
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Posted by Jumijo on Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:55 AM
 kpolak wrote:

Does the bluing protect the wheels from gunk, or is it mearly cosmetic?

Kurt

The bluing is cosmetic only, Kurt. But removing all that crud before the blueing process will help the car track better, reduce derailments, and promote much better electrical contact.

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Posted by ezmike on Monday, October 22, 2007 10:49 AM

Hey Jim, I'm impressed. I've seen the pictures of the repair you did to the step on you 2046W tender. I suspect this one will look as nice, hopefully no shrinkage so you don't have to do any touch ups/fill ins!

When you're done here I have an original 2671W shell neeeding a step. Whistling [:-^] (I really try to stay away from these but how else to convey what's in the thought bubble). Maybe you can start a little cottage industry here!

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Posted by Jumijo on Monday, October 22, 2007 6:24 PM

 

Nice try, Mike. 

I pulled the mold away today and saw a few imperfections that needed filling. I used super glue for that chore. The tender is now ready for paint. Photos soon.

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Posted by ezmike on Monday, October 22, 2007 7:19 PM

Jim,

You can't blame a guy for trying! Actually, I have a friend locally that has done step repair like yours. I'm going to try to connect with him for advice and instruction and try it myself. Can't hurt, how else will I learn. Besides, what harm can I do, the shell is damaged already. The painting can be tricky especially if you're re-doing a small spot and you don't have a feathering technique to speak of. BTW, I have a can of Krylon semi-flat black, are you up to explaining how to do the feathering? You can e-mail me if you wish. Let me know.

I can't wait to see how this comes out.

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Posted by Jumijo on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:09 AM

 

Mike, the easiest way to repair that step is with the step from a donor shell. Make your cuts along seams so they won't be seen, or at least not nearly as evident. Over cut the donor shell's step slightly and sand it down to size. If you cut it too short, you're screwed. Undercut the damaged area and sand it square. Use plastic model glue, not super glue. The model glue will actually weld the plastic together and the shell will once again be a monolithic piece. An area this small can be painted with a brush as mine was. Good luck with that repair.

Here is an image showing where I made the cuts.

 

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Posted by ezmike on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:06 AM

Jim,

Thanks. What do you use to cut the shell?

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Posted by Jumijo on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:09 AM
An exacto saw.

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Posted by Jumijo on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:29 PM

 

Here are a few quick photos of Brent's tender with the hole patched and painted. I just finished brushing on the last coat now. It's dark, rainy and windy outside, so I snapped these at the kitchen table. Better photos to come as soon as weather permits.

BEFORE:

 

 

AFTER:

All that's left to do is touch up the white letters and put it back on the frame.

Jim

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Posted by fifedog on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:38 PM
Gotta hand it to you Jim-Bo, looks sharp.  I still think you should have posted it with duct-tape covering the hole.
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Posted by ezmike on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:28 PM

Jim,

Thanks, now to find one.

I thought maybe there is a dremel attachment that worked. Although everyone I have looks to be too big, plus I guess you want the stability of a blade to keep it as straight as possible.

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Posted by railfan23 on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:43 PM
Very nice work, looking forward to seeing the finished pieces.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:11 PM
 fifedog wrote:
Gotta hand it to you Jim-Bo, looks sharp.  I still think you should have posted it with duct-tape covering the hole.


LOL!!!! That would have been funny... beyond funny!

Jim, WOW... I'm speachless...

Speaking of duct-tape, Susan took the passenger mirror off her car a couple weeks ago during lunch.  When she got home she had it held onto the car with packing tape... lots and lots of packing tape... I guess packing tape is the business equivalent to duct-tape?
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Posted by rtraincollector on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:11 PM
Didn't you forget to paint it Pink Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:37 PM

Ironically, the one thing that duct tape is not good for is sealing ducts:

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/duct-tape-HVAC.html

 

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Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:36 AM

 lionroar88 wrote:

Jim, WOW... I'm speachless...

That's a first.

I had to make the rivets by hand because the plastic slurry I made must have been too thick to fill the tiny rivet holes in the mold. I wasn't completely satisfied with the repair last night, and even brought it to work today to do it over, but I eventually said "it's good enough".  Certainly better than the gaping hole.

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Posted by SPFan on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:01 AM

Jim, Nice work! It came out great but how did you add the rivets after the fact?

 

Pete 

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