Good evening Ruth and crew! I'll have a bottomless draught, and buy a round for the house. I dug my old barstool out of the basement, and aside from needing a good dusting, it seems its old sturdy self. Sure do miss the time I used to be a regular around here. Like Tom said on the previous page, my absence has nothing to do with anything other than time management, and I still don't have that under control. Too many home projects and other responsibilites are very effectively keeping me off the internet.
My absence here also has nothing to do with the Chicago Rendezvous. I'm looking at stuff for us to do all the time, you can be sure. All I can say is ya'll better be taking your vitamins and getting in shape now, 'cuz we'll be starting early and retiring late! Details will be communicated to Tom, and then to the rest of ya'll who are on the list.
Couldn't help to but notice that good friend Dave made a recent appearance!
Nifty Canadian pix from the Captain. The museum pix are outstanding. They got me to thinking of visiting another museum in nearby Wisconsin. Hmmmm .... perhaps on Saturday ......
Have a great evening gentlemen!
Hi Tom and all
Not had too good a morning so I'll have a Bathams XXX please RUTH.
DAVE Many thanks for the early diesels versus steam on the commute trains. It is something sometimes overlooked today that steam locos that were designed for suburban and commute workings often had a good rate of acceleration from stops. The 3 minute headways were similar to the service worked into and out of London's Liverpool Street Station steam hauled commuter trains, known as the ‘Jazz' trains, in the morning and evening rush-hours before the services were electrified.
That is an interesting point about the emissions. I may be wrong but it seems to me that the Class 1 railroads are buying larger new locomotives and the local freights are being worked by the much older smaller locos, which I guess are not too emission friendly. The railways will have to find a way of making these locos cleaner or order new smaller locos, as there must be places that the track will not take one of the larger diesel classes.
ALLAN Thanks for the links to the NZ photos, there certainly is some great photos there.
Glad you enjoyed the Leyland railcar threads, I leant a good bit about the prototypes myself.
I was reading a British steam magazine and realized it was 40 years later this year that British Railways steam ended in the North East of England. The magazine has a special section this month as it was 40 years at the start of July that the Southern Region of BR ended steam and with it the last BR regular steam into London. I believe that steam was still used in the North East at collieries for a few more years.
JAMES As far as I can tell UP # 844 is arriving on Monday morning July 2nd and is going to be on exhibition at Union Station Kansas City. I believe the loco leaves on Thursday July 5th. I am seriously thinking of taking Amtrak over from here to K.C to see 844.
I think Dwight D Eisenhower was named before he was President. He was Allied Supreme Commander in Europe and that is why No 60008 was named. If you can get to Green Bay is a really great Railroad Museum. With No 60008 at the museum are two cars that were part of the command train used by General Eisenhower in World War II. Also in the same hall at the museum are an UP Big Boy and a GG1 electric locomotive.
Yes you are right about the buffers having a cushioning effect in the early wagons there were springs behind the buffers, later there was a hydraulic arrangement to provide the cushioning. It was quite a sight watching the shunter uncouple the wagons with three link couplings when a train was being marshaled in a freight yard. It was done with a long pole with a hook on the end. This pole was used to couple the wagons; as well it was quite an art to do it.
It would be great to have a go on the simulator at your museum.
ERIC The other British locomotive at Steamtown was an ex London & Southwestern Railway class M7 0-4-4 Tank locomotive with the BR number 30053. This class was originally introduced in 1897. They would be used on Suburban duties out of London Waterloo station until the suburban lines were electrified then on empty stock workings and ex L&SWR branch lines. After the formation of the Southern Railway at the grouping of 1923, the class was to be seen on the other companies lines that formed the SR. In 1958 No 30053 was allocated to Brighton, which was part of the London Brighton & South Coast Rly before the grouping
Waddon was another locomotive used for the London suburban services although this time for the LB& SCR. These 0-6-0 tanks were introduced in 1872 as class A1; they were rebuilt in 1911 as class A1X. The reason quite a few had long lives was some found duty at the Southern railway works as shunters, and their use on branch lines where their weight of 28 Tons 5 cwt allowed tem to work where heavier locos could not. A famous example was the Hayling Island branch in the south of England that had these locos working until the 1960s.
Iam sure NICK can add more to the A1Xs and Waddon
Thanks for the photo of the Silver Pouch Mail Car.
LARS Thanks for the drink. No mention of the METS today.
Many thanks for the photos of the locomotives and trains in New Zealand. They seem to have some interesting stock thereThe EF is a design of loco I had not seen before, although the DX class, in the last photo looks very North American to me.
TOM It was great to talk to you this morning. You helped to restore my normal humour thanks. And thanks for the computer tips you gave me as well much appreciated. .
That is a good link to the Victoria Bridge, (although it said that Robert Stephenson "the son of the designer of the Rocket locomotive George", it is generally accepted that Robert designed the Rocket.) Messrs Peto, Brassy and Betts were a famo
G'day Gents!
Two visits from our Manager - rushed or not, always good to have the Larsman aboard!
Continuing on with Pix from Day Four: Sunday - May 27th, 2007 - ExpoRail Canadian Railway Museum at Delson/Saint-Constant, Quebec, Canada
VIA Rail LRC loco (light, rapid, comfortable) #6921. Built by Bombardier (c. 1980)
Canadian National Railway (CNR #6742) M-U Trailer. Built by Canadian Car & Foundry (1952)
Building #5 "Rolling stock open reserve"
"Stuff"
National Harbours Board (NHB #1002) S-3 Port of Montreal - Built by Montreal loco works
Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR #6218). RDC-4. Built by Budd (c. 1950)
CPR #90 - RDC-1. Built by Budd (c. 1950)
VIA Rail EMD FP9A #6309. Built by EMD (1957)
VIA Rail #15513 Sibley Park observation dome car - Built by Budd (c. 1950)
To be continued . . .
Tom
Ahoy Cap'n Tom!
Back again - and this time with a few pix for our friend Allan in NZ!
Sorry for the "rush job" today - I've tried to squeeze far too much effort into so little time. Really being pushed for time . . .
Ruth my deAH, another frosty mug of brew if you please!
I've tried to put together a NZ "thing" today and all I've gotten has been total FRUSTRATION! <arrrggghhh> <double aaarrrggghhh> Anyway, hope these "work"
A JA class locomotive on an excursion. Photo by Joseph Christianson. (Creative Commons/Wikipedia.com)
A Veolia-operated ADL class DMU at Britomart Transport Centre. (Creative Commons/Wikipedia.com)
A Tranz Metro EM/ET class EMU at Epuni. (Creative Commons/Wikipedia.com)
An EF class locomotive in the Tranz Rail "bumble-bee" livery hauling container wagons on the North Island Main Trunk. (Wikimedia Commons/Wikipedia.com)
"Bumble bee" DX class locomotives heading a coal train on the Midland Line. (GNU Free Doc/Wikipedia.com)
Until the next time!
Lars
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH I'm running just a bit late today, but wanted to swing by to see your lovely face! <blush> Drinks on me - treats for the crittAHs and I'll take a Schaefer - slide the snack tray down my way, wudja?? <grin>
Good to see the return of Allan from NZ to the bar! Thanx for the continuing info on the rail travels - MORE, if you please???
Some interesting comments along the way from our guys, Eric - Dave - James - Pete ‘n Tom. Sorry if I've left anyone out - just in a hurry this day. <groan>
Love those pix from the Expo Rail museum, keep ‘em coming!
Sorry if I've "tweaked" anyone regarding my comments - BUT - sometimes things just are going to be said. That's the way I am - nothing personal, gents!
Gotta run and I'll try to do bettAH tomorrow!
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A rainy day here in mid-continent USA as we've finally gotten a brief respite from the drought that has been with us for the past couple of years. Not severe, but the rainfall has been far below the "norm" . . . Ah, time for breakfast! Check out the <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts listed on the Menu Board - draw a mugga coffee and sample a pastry from The Mentor Village Bakery Case! <ummmmmm>
Cards can't win for losing, or something like that, as the rains in New York were definitely in favor of the home team - 2 -zip win in 5 ½ innings. However, when facing Mr. Glavin - they might as well stay in the dug out! <groan>
Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):
Lars at 10:47 AM Wednesday - June 27: Can always count on our Manager to "liven" things up ‘round the joint! <uh oh> So, let me pour some "oil" on those waters . . .
First: Our Chicago Rendezvous is not in peril - it's ON! Doug is experiencing a difficult time with "time management" and simply cannot dedicate what he feels is proper time to resume his activities with us. Should this continue into "months," then there will be cause for concern - but not yet. It does present a puzzling situation, however, and I'm surprised that he hasn't stopped by for even a "hello" lately . . .
Second: Our Ontario Connection is pretty much in the same boat as Doug. So, that's just the way it IS. I am surprised that Rob hasn't bothered to check out the 2nd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in St. Louis fotos AND equally puzzled why he hasn't made an appearance especially with the ongoing Pix from the Canada Rail Adventure with Pete - but such is life. It's ALWAYS the choice of the individual when it comes to "playing" in the Ether . . .
I am more puzzled by Rob's repeated absences than with Doug . . . but these two guys were integral in keeping "Our" Place going during the summer of 2006 when I decided to shut it down. Now, less than a year later . . . Go figure that!
I strongly suggest that if ANYONE has "concerns" about these two, SEND THEM AN Email . . . a bit of "personal touch" may spring ‘em lose. I've done all I'm going to do regarding this.
Many thanx for the link about Bellows Falls. We too visited the place in 1968-69 while living up in the Boston area. It was a fine time and the kids got a kick out of riding the steam excursion train - long gone, fer sure, fer sure. Any Pix I have of that experience are all on 35mm slides and "doomed" to remain in the boxes they are in.
If I had those Lionel ‘n American Flyer trains, they'd be on a layout - pronto quick! How hard do you think it would be to build a simple 4x8 with two ovals - one for the Lionel ‘n the other for the S-gauge AF??? <geesh> You could use "my" ceiling suspended design and hoist ‘em up to the rafters when no longer being "played" with . . . <double geesh>
When does the NFL season begin
Thanx for the round!
Dave at 3:37 PM Wednesday - June 27th: One thing that has come back to me IS: I can never tell exactly what you've been looking at when reading your Posts . . . don't know if you've seen the MOST CURRENT, or are ‘somewhere' back on the Pages. Puzzling.
Anyway, a most welcome and surprising mid-week visit from our Left Coast Connection! We're really not having a Canadian "theme" so much as if you are referring to the fotos - it's a continuing display of the Canada Rail Adventure with Pete (last month) - and if you're referring to the Significant Events "list" - well that's just a monthly feature.
Wondering if you've been able to check out the Pages of Rendezvous fotos from our get together in St. Louis (May 17th - 19th) - well worth the skimming . . .
WHAT are you ‘n Lars talking about with this "kids" stuff??? Where did THAT begin??? Lost me there too. <geesh> I better stick to the hard stuff . . . <grin>
By the by: I'd surely appreciate an Email from you regarding your experiences with my old outfit over in Iraq. I sent you a couple of requests - but figured you never got ‘em, also made mention of it at the bar, but again, figured you weren't able to get online. Anyway, wondering about your involvement with the USCG and how all of that came together. No need to do it here - Email would be far better. Thanx!
Round appreciated!
Pete at 6:46 PM Wednesday - June 27th: You may find this hard to believe, but I've never viewed Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - so your question will require answering by someone who has! <grin>
Yeah, I was beginning to wonder whether we'd somehow have to come up with a plausible explanation to the Customs people why we were bringing a British Rail locomotive back to the states . . .
Just a minor "point of order" - the ExpoRail museum is geographically located in Saint-Constant, Quebec . . .
Looking forward to more of your Pix from our trip . . .
Dave at 8:00 PM Wednesday - June 27th: For Pete . . . enjoyed the eavesdropping, but must admit, a bit too technical for the likes of Moi! <grin>
Allan at 9:21 PM Wednesday - June 27th: Our Down Under Connection has reappeared! Glad you found your way back and hope that whatever kept you away was more pleasant than not . . . Have one on the house!
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hm, I'll have a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich, please! Leon, tell Ruth I won't give out that phone number!
Two days left of the work week and then 5 days off!! That will be nice!
Tom – Snow on Mt. Mentor? I thought all the snow was gone by now. I am afraid I can’t give away her phone number. Ruth asked me not to give it to Manager Lars and she looked at me with her big eyes when she asked that. Life is rough, but there are certain things a man can’t do. Deer in the headlights? No, it couldn’t be. British locomotives did not have any headlights at all those days when that locomotive was running. Check your picture with Pete, no headlights. I guess the Chigneto Marine Railway never was completed and no ships were carried on it? Quite a few interesting things happened during the month of June over the years. Worst railway accident with 99 lives lost is a sad one. More nice pictures from ExpoRail! Including some streetcars for Rob (and me!).The open streetcar (TSR #8) is obvioulsy out of power. They have to let the trolleypole higher up! CPR # 5935 is kind of streamlined! And another British loco, LB&SC #54. Looks like a small one. Lars – If I understand you right there is no museum in Bellows Falls any more, correct? I saw one British steam locomotive on one of the pictures and they also mentioned another British or Irish loco. Something for Pete to research. Or DL and Nick.Sorry, but Ruth already told me not give you any phone number. And I don’t think you would like me to make her disappointed? Or...?You have photos? Let’s see a few!! Dave – Thanks for the info, but I already have the Pentrex video. That video was shot along the NEC. What kind of aftermarket kit does Sweden manufacture? Do you know the name of the manufacturer? Pete – I think Tom was thinking both A and B, but more like: “Hmm, I don’t know what is worse, wait for him (you) while he is petting that old steamer or having to say No when he wants to take it with him home.” I’ll see you have the same Waddon pictured as Tom! What kind of service was that class used for? Allan – G’day, nice to see you again!! I also saw that picture of the train “parked” outside McDonald’s. The engineer probably had two Big Macs! I have to go to the “World of Maps” and get me a good map of NZ so I can find the places you are talking about. James – I know how to run the Swedish State Railways’ locomotive simulator and I have tried it myself several times. It’s a very good one, built in Canada.Honestly, I don’t remember asking a question about wheels. I looked back a number of days and couldn’t find any. But my memory is not the best... Among those Burlington cars there was a RPO-car that had a similar arrangement with its generator. Burlington ROP “Silver Pouch”.
Eric
G-day Tom and all present!
Leon- Could I get an OJ (I know, I need something more than coffee) and a turkey sandwich. Thanks!
Well, I'm back to finish some more acknowledgements. I am now on page 72 and working my way back. Plus acknowledgements from the current page.
Tom- Thanks for all of the great pics from you train ride to Montreal. There were some pretty nice shots including the photo above the water. As you said it was Brunswick scenery, but what bridge did you cross Also thanks for the shot inside the renaissance car. That certainly is a great looking car. The interior of the car is just fantastic. Thanks for the pictures. Also thanks for the second round of pics from the ride to Montreal. Some great scenery and great looking town shots. It looks to me that Pete was enjoying himself in the diner.
Oh and sorry for confusing you with the S2 comment..... What I was trying to say was, I haven't seen one built by MLW..... So, now I'm starting to wonder why I didn't say that in the first place.. hmmm... got to be the coffee... Leon, make sure I get another OJ, Thanks.. Okay, So I didn't know that Canada and Britain were like eggs and ham.. So I should probably hit the books and read up on this.. Well the next time I see a British loco in Canada, I can say I was taught by the best, right?!
Thanks for the significant events in Canadian RR history. There's always some good stuff to look at. I was really surprised that back in 1909 (before I was born...) The CPR completed that Viaduct that was almost a mile long!!! And 320 feet high too!!! WOW, I wonder how long it took them to build that one? Some good stuff, fer sure! Thanks.
Thanks for all of the great photos from the Exporail Canadian railway museum. Ooohh, I see one of the M-630s..... What a pretty neat locomotive. Can I get behind the throttle of that one And another MLW loco stuck in there. Some great looking pics. And I see a Wedge plow. But made of steel. I bet that one could move some snow! Thanks for all of the pics
CM3- Vacation, and you didn't invite me... Well, all of us will miss you, so until then, have FUN!!! I noticed that you have run a locomotive simulator. At the museum in Duluth, they have a locomotive simulator and it runs. It's the Wisconsin Central training simulator. I have run it for the public and I am able to run whenever I want. So whenever you guys choose to come up this far North... well, I guess this isn't as far North as you think.. but far enough. But whenever that is, I can certainly have you run it.
Lars- Thanks for all of the great book covers. Not just one railroad this time either. I always like seeing a whole bunch of different railroads. That book called rights of passage looks like a good one. Just the picture of that old rusting rail and wheel makes me want to read it. Some neat covers indeed. Thanks for showing. Ya I see I got some here confused with the S2 comment, but I hoped I fixed that.... It's just a cool little locomotive. I would love to run one of those. Well, when "Our" RS-1 is complete, I will be one of the first to run it.. definitely.
Pete- Now that was a joke in a million.. Bing Crosby sings and Walt Disnae...?! Does not? How do get Does not out of Disney?? Kind of funny! Anyway, I can tell you right now, If I lived closer to Kansas City than I do right now, I would definitely go and see the 844 come though town. I already missed the 261 in Duluth the beginning of June.. I don't want to miss it again.
Thanks for the explanation of the 60010. Now I know why some are in Canada. I'm interested in what type of a Canadian Whistle it had on it. Some interesting stuff. Also thanks for the little history behind the those locos. I am surprised one was named after one of "Our" former Presidents. Why did they do this? Did he nominate the locomotive I Should see it one of these days. I come within a 100 miles of it each year; I might have to venture up there and see it in person. That would be cool.
So there called buffers. Hmmm. Well lets see, I remember a few logging railroads back in the 1880s and 90s having these.. I will have to look more into this. Kind of an interesting topic. So they used chain links to hook the cars up at one time. Interesting. Wait.... Could the buffer have been used for a cushioning affect. Lets say the train jolted, could this have absorbed some of the jolt?? Hmm now that's a question to look up. As you said they took the strain of the train when braking, I'm also wondering if it wasn't also a cushion of some type. Cool stuff.
G`day Tom and all at "Our" place reborn,
Greetings from 'The Land of the long white cloud" or "Aotearoa" as the Maori call New Zealand. Have been "missing in action" due to domestic circumstances! Drinks all round please Ruth.
Tom. Your pics and URL`s are great.
Lars. I have travelled by rail in NZ over the years, used to take "The Southoner" a named train that used to run between Christchurch and Invercargill, it was taken off about two two years ago by Toll as uneconomic. Had several trips on "The Kingston Flyer" a vintage steam operation near Queenstown, the trains are vintage consist and hauled by two immaculate AB Pacifics, same as pictured in Mike`s NZ URL`s. Have a look at http:www.kingstonflyer.co.nz you will find some great pics.
Mike. Your URL`s of NZ were great, looks like one loco driver stopped for a"Big Mac". Have been to "Steam Incorporated" where the AB Pacific is stabled. The NZ Pacifics have an interesting history as the Q class of 1901 were claimed to be the first in the world so named, their was a forum about this in the MRR General Discussion titled "Trivia Question:first Pacific class loco" July 7th 2004. A good NZ rail site is http:trainweb.org/nzrailheritage/ by Patrick Dunford it covers a lot history.
Pete. You were right about the rail museums in Geordieland, I hear the ropeway is now fully operational again. Your Leyland railcar threads are very interesting, over here they ran various locally made types, the last one`s were taken off service in the 1980`s, several have been preserved.
Dave. Welcome back!
Tom. G`day is the standard greeting here in NZ and. Australia of course, and the standard farewell is "Hooray" or "See ya"
See ya all, Allan
Afternoon PWolf, hanker up to the bar and have one on me.
You pose an interesting question, on the SP commute route tonnage ability was not a factor, what was require was the necessary acceleration to maintain three minute headways. This is the primary reason steam lasted well into late 1957 on these runs, no single diesel (and SP was intent on single unit diesel operation whenever possible) until the thundering Trainmaster were transfered west, could match any class of steam power in rapid acceleration , of course SP was also flush with rebuilt and new secondhand steam and the support facalities. so it was a simple choice of early diesels lacking the performance. For example the Geep nines was rated at three Harriman coaches or five double decks max, otherwise it would quickly fall behind schedule, huff "n" Puff, the two commute SD sevens could do no better, hence the nickname.
I admit to needing to do more homework on the Pan-Pacific Expo, it was a international forum for all nations who wished to attend (perhaps not the Central Powers!) I would not doubt the presence of some type of foreign rail exhibits, maybe not locomotives or rolling stock, due to shipping demands and Europe in a state of open conflict.
I too fear the days of scarlet and grey are drawing to a close, between retirements and not being tier 2 compliant all such units are falling by the wayside everywhere in favor of green power. Some hope for our older friends my remain, Sweden does manfacture an aftermarket kit to upgrade older power to current emission standards. American railroads seem interested in the technology, time and money will tell
Dave
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Batham's please RUTH
DAVE Great to have our SP expert back. I imagine the 4-10-2s had a good turn of acceleration when working the commute passenger services. I bet they made a great sound, do you know what the average load was on those commute services.
Do you know if there were any foreign locos at that Pan- Pacific Expo The British locomotives that toured North America in the 1920s and 30s have survived. Great Western No 6000 King George LMS No (4) 6229 Duchess of Hamilton (masquerading as 6220 Coronation) and LMS No (4) 6100 Royal Scot, although this loco is in its rebuilt state.
There have been a few SP diesels through here lately, although with UP numbers, usually on the rear of coal trains. I have not seen a SP numbered loco for quite a while, I guess they are getting scarce now.
Thanks for the round
JAMES Some of the LNER A4 Pacifics, of which 60010 Dominion of Canada is one, were named after parts of what was the British Commonwealth. I think there were close ties with the locomotive and Canada,with the 60010 carrying a Canadian chime whistle for a time, after the loco finished service with British Railways it was donated to Canada.
Another of this class was named Dwight D Eisenhower and this loco is in the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay Wisconsin. There are 4 others of the class preserved including the steam speed record holder "Mallard". Very shortly it will be possible to see 3 A4s running main line tours in Britain as 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley (The 100th LNER Pacific to be built and named after their designer) will join the newly restored, after many years and soon to go on the main line, 60019 Bittern and long time main line stalwart 60009 Union of South Africa.
That is an interesting question about the ‘bumpers' they are called buffers in the UK. I wonder if the very early American locomotives had buffers. I have looked back on some photos of old locos and it seems the center coupling provided the buffing force as well.
In the UK the old locomotives and the wagons just had a three-link coupling and the locomotive or tender buffers took the strain from the wagons when braking the train as the wagons were only fitted with hand brakes. Later there was the screw coupling, which had not the play in it of the three link but did not take the braking strain. Of course today the buck-eye coupler is in use on most cars and the modern units do not have the traditional buffers.
ERIC I have not heard of any other Corridor tenders, apart from a LMS one used for loco testing, than those Gresley ones fitted to the A3 and A4 s for the non-stop one. The tender behind the newly restored A4 Bittern as, I believe, been modified to a corridor one. I am trying to find out if the non-corridor tender fitted to 60008 in Green Bay is the last remaining Gresley 8-Wheel tender of that type, but with no luck at the moment.
The Irish locomotive of the class had the name in old Irish Script. The English spelling is Maeve. A link to the locos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSR_Class_B1a
I did not do too good in the quiz, glad you are on the Dart team.
I think Tom was thinking one of two things.
A; "I will never get him away from this engine" or
B; "When we go he will want me to help him take it with us".
Glad you liked the photos, unfortunately not as many as I liked came out well. I will put a few more in, thanks.
Great photo of #5021
LARS Many thanks for the link to the Steamtown Museum. Although some of the locos have moved we owe a great debt that they were saved in the first place. I too have ridden behind the ex Southern Railway (GB) ‘Schools' class No 30926 Repton on the NYMR. Also for a time it was on the persevered Great Central Railway, as the article says the Schools were strong for a 4-4-0 but did have a tendency for slipping.
The museum in Quebec is well worth a visit. Tom and I were very lucky as it was a special day at the museum the day we went. The volunteers there were very helpful and friendly and it must have one of the best café views in the world for a railfan. If you do go make sure you get to see the IMAX cinema, words cannot do it justice.
One of these days, if we win the lottery, we will have to have a rendezvous in England and we will have to try the Bathams on the Severn Valley Railway.
TOM Yes we will miss CM3, while he is on vacation.
Afternoon all, round of Speakeasy ale for all...Down Boris, I do not believe mating season is upon us!!!
Just a few quick acknowledgements:
Tom: Great job with the ongoing Candian theme, very informative.
Eric: I do know there is a X2000 video, where it was shot is unknown to me, I believe Pentrex is the producer, check the website www.pentrex.com.
As for that smokebox color, I do agree it is a tad dark, depending on era it could be graphite (as delivered), silver (post 1946) or whiteface (post 1951) some research would pin down exact dates if one were so inclined.
CMSTPP: Glad you enjoyed the post, feel free to inquire in the future, that's why we keep the bar running, to discuss and remember the golden age of railroading, as you well know we have a fantastic crew with diverse, broad knowledge here at "Our Place".
Domes: I don't know about those 10 year olds, they are more in tune then I was at that age. Teleprompters are a hold over from the industrial age of the Soviet Union!!! Nuff said!!!
Well gotta run for now, enjoy the day
Thanx Lars for providing some <ahem> company for Ruth this morning! <grin> Looks like we're back to the Feast or Famine days <daze> at the Bar by the Ballast - at least in the daylight . . . <groan>
Montreal Transportation Commission (MTC #997) Streetcar - Built in Ottawa (1911)
Canadian Pacific Railways (CPR #5935) Selkirk 2-10-4 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1949)
Canadian National Railways (CNR #55063) single track snow plow - Built by Canadian Car & Foundry (1919)
Toronto Suburban Railway (TSR #8) open streetcar - Built by Patterson & Corbin (c. 1895)
Canadian Pacific Railways (CPR #4563) M-630 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1969)
Canadian National Railways (CNR #6153) Northern 4-8-4 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1929)
London, Brighton & South Coast Railway (LB&SC #54) Waddon - Built at Brighton (1875).
St. Laurent & Atlantique Quebec (SLQ #3569) M420W - Built by Montreal Loco Works (c. 1970)
Ruth my deAH, it's time for a <sanGwich> - New YAWKese, for sandwich! I'm ready for a Lars special hero of ham, Swiss, mustAHd ‘n buttAH with two extra crunchy large pickles from the barrel. The crittAHs are lined up once again for their treats, so Boris my man <?> set ‘em up - tray of seeds for Awk, saucer of brine for Tex, bucket of ice cubs for Frostbite and of course the small jar of pickled pig's feet is YOURS! <phew> I'll take a tankard of Keiths if you please and set the boys up at the bar. Change is for YOU!
A day without Shane is like a day without . . . well like a day without . . . oh well, like a day WITHOUT! <grin> So when is it that Pers is to come back?? Thought he mentioned the end of the month . . . got kinda used to having him around. Surely filled in quite nicely, huh?
So, the Birds took care of my Mets last night. Was bound to happen, the way my guys are NOT hitting the ball and so forth. But to be absolutely fair about it, the Cards have had two fine starts for their pitchers along with some hitting from the lesser amongst the offense. Tonight's another opportunity . . . Surely looks like the Yanks are in the "tank" and I'm surprised that Joe hasn't been shown the door way B4 now . . . It's the Red Sox for sure this year in the AL east.
In viewing those pix you took up in Quebec, it makes me realize just how much fun there is "out there" when it comes to railroads and all that goes with it. I've nevAH really considered myself as anything other than a guy who appreciates riding trains <in the dome!> and that's about it. I have no appreciable amount of artifacts <stuff> to fall back on when it comes to researching this or that. I don't have a layout and I'm wondering if I evAH will. There are two sets of electric trains stored away, which I've told youse guyz about a few times - a Lionel and Gilbert American Flyer from back in the days when Tom ‘n I were "into" the hobby.
My Mrs. and I have visited the RR museum in Sacramento, which has been discussed also on these pages. We've also stopped by a few other sites in our travels, but never specifically to do that, kinda sorta came along with the territory if yanowutImean . . . In viewing those pix from Quebec, I'm tempted to make the drive - especially after viewing their web site.
You surely evoked a memory or three with that reference to Steamtown in Bellows Falls, Vermont. Took the kids up there many decades ago while vacationing in New England. As the link will attest, the collection was dispersed as the Bellows Falls location fell into hard times. Check out:
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/pennsy/steamtown/bellowsfalls/
Another chapter of Canadian RR history provided to us by our semi-Canadian, Cap'n Tom! <grin> Was thinking that we've lost our Resident Canadian Connection now that Rob is gone, gone, gone. Call it what you will, Mate - he says he'll stop by, but doesn't. In my book, he's in the Legion, big time. Anyway, with Fergie popping in ‘n out, we probably should "anoint" him. Oh, I see you did that!! <grin>
So have I missed something with Doug?? Has he just dropped off the earth too?? Hope not. And if so, what does that do for the Chicago plans in 2008??Good stuff with the history "lesson" for June!
For Eric: Phone number??? Hmmmmm, how to do this WITHOUT Ruth finding out??? Hmmmmm. <grin> Nice looking gal!
We have photos! Would you like ‘em full size and in color?? Nah. I'm going with the "trap" - it's a looooong way down to the ground level once that "spring has been sprung." I'd be very careful next time you're peeking . . . <uh oh>
For Pete: So they have Ladies of Perpetual Motion in Quebec too!?!?!? <grin>
If I've consumed your favorite brew, it most probably happened at a point where I couldn't have hit my stern section with both hands <if yanowutImean> . . . Bathams or Coors Light, it all tastes the same to me at "that" point . . . <double grin>
Tom looks "guilty" of something in that photo you took! Hmmmmmm.
For Dave: Great to see our Left Coast Connection stop by during the week. We kinda got used to Saturdays from you, way back when. Anyway, those 10 year olds have it way over us in so many respects. I have grand children who are much more savvy with ‘puters than I'll evAH be. <groan> As for translations, once they begin that text messaging crap, it begins a whole "nuther" avenue for me. One that I'll gladly sit out, thank you very much.
For James: Everyone has a real life and this cyber stuff can <and does> drive one to distraction if left unchecked. All I was getting at is that to be one of "us" means that some time in the ether needs to be dedicated to the bar IF you are online at all. Otherwise it shows . . . glad you picked up on it. Some guys never did and they're GONE.
I think you must've read something that Tom ‘n I haven't. Still can't figure out what the "deal' is with the S2 comment. Oh well - doesn't matter, Tom's pix are what it's all about for me.
Ok, gentlemen, it is time for me to skedaddle. Sorry, Ruth, there's no time for <ahem> admin work this day as I've got to attend to matters of the home. <ugh> Is that my name being bellowed called??
Significant events in Canadian RR History
during the month of June.
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Caveat: Much of the information appearing was gathered from internet sources, with credit to "Colin Churcher's Railway Pages" at http://www.railways.incanada.net/ * June 3rd, 1856: Opening of Windsor Branch Railway from Windsor to Windsor Jc., N.S. by Nova Scotia government. This was the oldest constituent of the Dominion Atlantic Railway. * June 29th, 1864: 1864, June 29 - A railway accident on the Grand Trunk Railway at Beloeil, Quebec, takes ninety-nine lives when a special passenger train carrying German immigrants went through an open drawbridge. This was Canada's worst railway disaster. * June 29th, 1864: - Ceremony of turning the first sod on the Canadian Pacific Railway on the left bank of the Kamistiquia River in the townsite of Fort William about four miles from the river's mouth. * June 1886: - Contracts are let for the construction of the Chignecto Marine Transport Railway, a 17 mile railway to carry ships across the Chignecto Isthmus between Tidnish on Northumberland Strait and Fort Lawrence on the Bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia. Work on this double track, standard gauge railway, conceived by New Brunswick engineer Henry George Cloppers Ketchum, commenced in 1887 but was abandoned, three quarters completed, when the funds ran out in the summer of 1891. * June 11th, 1888: - Canadian Pacific opens the "Sault Branch" from Sudbury to Sault Ste. Marie where connection was made not only with the American railway system but also with the CP steam ships. * June 3rd, 1889: - The first CP train arrives in Saint John, NB from Montréal marking the completion of the Canadian Pacific Railway as a coast to coast railway. * June 29th, 1898: - First through passenger train across Newfoundland leaves St. Johns at 19:20 and arrives Port aux Basques at 22:45, June 30. * June 18th, 1899: - The CP line from Lethbridge through the Crows Nest Pass to Kootenay Landing is opened for traffic. This was built with subsidies afforded by the Crows Nest Pass Agreement of 1897 which also set fixed rates on grain traffic. * June 22nd, 1909: - Canadian Pacific completes the viaduct on the Crows Nest Pass Line at Lethbridge, 5,327 feet long and with a maximum height of 314 feet above Oldman River. This is the highest railway bridge in Canada. The bridge was opened to traffic on 3 November 1909 although it had been used by construction trains before this. * June 2nd, 1913: - first train runs across the Canadian Pacific high level bridge between Edmonton and South Edmonton. * June 1st, 1915: - The National Transcontinental Railway is completed between Moncton and Winnipeg via Edmundston, Quebec and Senneterre. Because of the high cost, the Grand Trunk refused to lease the line which was operated from May 1, 1915 as a component of the Canadian Government Railways until the formation of the Canadian National System. * June 6th, 1919: - Canadian National Railway Company is incorporated. * June 26th, 1929: - The following railways are jointly acquired by Canadian National and Canadian Pacific and operated under a newly incorporated company, the Northern Alberta Railways: Edmonton, Dunvegan & British Columbia Railway (447 miles) Alberta & Great Waterways Railway (286 miles) Central Canada Railway (98 miles) Pembina Valley Railway (26 miles) A total of 857 miles. * June 19th, 1930: - Canadian Pacific Hudson (4-6-4) No. 2808 makes a record continuous run from Fort William to Calgary, 1,251 miles and return with the Toronto to Vancouver train. It left at 08:20 on June 19, arrived in Calgary at 07:00 June 21. It returned from Calgary at 14:50 on June 22 and arrived Fort William at 05:35 June 24. * June 1st, 1931: - Coincident with the first docking of the Empress of Britain, CP opens a line through a tunnel under the Plains of Abraham to the Wolfe's Cove Harbour Terminal in Quebec City. The first shot was fired on 5 April 1930, the break through was made on 16 February 1931, and the first train, locomotive and 13 cars carrying railway officials, ran through on 26 May 1931. * June 30th, 1941: - as part of the war effort, the M-3 (Modified) Cruiser tank is produced at the Montreal Locomotive Works. * June 1st, 1951: - Canadian Pacific discontinues rail service to Place Viger station, Montreal. * June 11th, 1956: - The Pacific Great Eastern Railway opens between North Vancouver and Prince George, BC. A formal opening ceremony took place on August 27. * June 24th, 1957: - Last steam run on the Ontario Northland Railway, no. 701 leaves Timmins and arrives at North bay the following day. * June 4th, 1961: - Canadian National Turcot Yard closes. The 56 stall roundhouse was closed the following year. * June 16th, 1964: - Canadian Pacific opens a new automated hump marshalling yard at Agincourt, Toronto, ON. * June 1965: - Canadian National officially opens its Macmillan marshalling yard, Toronto.
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Wednesday's Witticism
Important comes in two sizes - yours and mine.
Cards 12 - Mets 6 <ooooops> did it again - those are the hits. Cards won in 11th, 5 to 3. No sweep for the MonsterMets! <grin>
And so another md-week in mid-continent USA has arrived. Enjoy a cuppa Joe, a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board and of course a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!
It's gonna be rather lonely ‘round here without CM3 Shane for the next few weeks - but at least we KNOW he'll be back amongst us once his vacation comes to an end. Soooooo, if there's anyone out there willing ‘n able to pick up on the morning "slot" - feel free!
Lars at 9:09 AM Tuesday - June 26th: Really a treat having our Manager back on a regular basis! There are guys who I really depend upon for help ‘round here to keep the place up ‘ running and you, Sir, fall into that category along with Pete - Eric ‘n Shane - regulars in word ‘n deed, fer sure, fer sure!
Cards finally won a game against your Mets - first one this season. No doubt in my mind that the New York NL entry should once again be right up there with the best of ‘em. Cards are a mere shadow of what they should ‘n could be.
Thanx for the visit ‘n round!
CM3 Shane at 10:28 AM Tuesday - June 26th: Say it isn't so! Gone-zo ‘til mid July! <ugh> What's the bar gonna do without those Monday thru Friday rounds ‘n quarters
That reference to "Moronica" comes from The Three Stooges 1940 flick, "You Nazty Spy!" which was shown over at the Emporium Theatre on March 11th thru 17th, 2007.
In this satire of the *** the stooges are paperhangers in the country of Moronica. When evil cabinet ministers overthrow the king, they decide to make Moe the new ruler as he'll be stupid enough to follow their orders. Moe becomes Dictator, Curly is a Field Marshal and Larry becomes Minister of propaganda. After successfully preventing a female spy from committing mayhem, the boys are run out of office by a mob and eaten by lions.
"Vulgaria" is a fictional European barony visited by the Potts family and Truly Scrumptious in their amazing flying car, in the classic children's film/stage musical, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. <source: Wikipedia>
And yes, the Stooges also had a flick using that "place" - "Dutiful But Dumb (1941) which viewed recently - June 3rd thru 9th!
Three dimwitted photographers get sent to Vulgaria to take pictures of a new death ray machine. Unknown to the stooges, the penalty for snapping pictures in Vulgaria is death. The stooges manage to escape a firing squad but get carried away(literally) by the Vulgarian army in the end.
Enjoy your well earned vacation . . .
Pete at 4:51 PM Tuesday - June 26th: You're "down" for the next Grudge Match Dart's Challenge with the Second Class Saloon - which I heard has stocked up on <Coors Light>!
Great to see those Pix from our visit to ExpoRail! Aside from the one with the blur, they look just fine. While I've only been to a few rail museums - the 1st was up in Vermont at Steamtown in Bellows Falls, but I believe the inventory has since relocated - I have to say that ExpoRail is by far the best I've seen. What a place and one could spend two full days enjoying the collection . . .
Figured you'd "emerge" once that fine looking BR Dominion of Canada loco showed up! The added details are most appreciated and perhaps DL ‘n Nick will pick up on them as well . . .
Eagle Eye Pete picked up on "Vulgaria" - what's new The man just doesn't miss a word! And the memory ain't bad either! <grin>
Round ‘n visit appreciated!
Dave (West Coast S) at 5:55 PM Tuesday - June 26th: A most surprising, but welcomed visit from our Left Coast Connection!
Leon, I think it is the right time for a coffee and a big Cheese Danish!
Kind of quiet day today at the Bar. But some nice pictures from ExpoRail!
Tom – If you need a guy for the Dart team I’ll be happy to volunteer. I’ll start some practicing this next weekend. Victoria Station? Could be. I have a picture that shows the station building in the background. I’ll scan that and show it later. We trained all on board personnel for the X2000 the first year and among them there was a great number of very nice girls! One of the girls from the very first gang is in that picture. I think #25 is on a piece of a bridge. Interesting pictures from ExpoRail! Especially the inside of the tender with a built in passage way! I have never seen that before. Pete looks relaxed and at home in front of that locomotive! Lars – Breaks are important as you can see! Trap? There is no need for a trap. Leave the door open instead! Just a little bit.CM3 – When we were in California with the X2000, Southern Pacific sponsored that visit. During our run from Oakland to Santa Barbara SP had leased a helicopter with a photograhper who filmed while following the train all the way to Santa Barbara. I don’t know if SP had that video published or not, but if it is available I would like to get a copy of it. Have a nice vacation! Or is it work related? Have a nice time anyway!!Pete – Is that name of the Irish Queen mispelled or is that how it is spelled? Sorry, but your guess is wrong. Both what it is and where it is located. What you see is what is leading the air from the traction motor blower under the hood down to the traction motor in the truck of a DD40AX. I guess the cab on the Flying Scotsman was closed and locked? No, you got that picture from the inside of the cab, so it must have been open. I wonder what the Captain was thinking about in your picture? Nice pictures! More, please!Dave – As I told CM3 above, Southern Pacific sponsored the X2000 visit to California. During our run from Oakland to Santa Barbara SP leased a helicopter with a photograhper who shot a video while following the train all the way to Santa Barbara. I don’t know if SP had that video published or not, but if it is available I would like to get a copy of it.I love #5021! A beautiful locomotive. But shouldn’t the smokebox be painted silver?
James – Thanks for the drink! Then I’ll buy you one! You are right about a truck and traction motor. But you are wrong about what locomotive. It is an UP DD40AX! The one they have at St. Louis Museum of Transportation.
Leon- Could I get a small turkey sandwich and a coffee. Thanks!
Okay, It seems we have had a lot of people on and didn't show up.... I think that included me........ hmmm. Well I.. I can move on now... To some great acknowledgements.
I am going to do the most recent then work on the other pages tomorrow morning.
But before any of that, the answer to my question. CM3 was the closest. Even thought it wasn't the last one built, it was the first one built for a certain railroad. The WC's SD45 came from the Burlington Northern and those came from either the Northern Pacific, or the Great Northern. The 7495 was the first SD45 the Northern Pacific purchased. The spotting features on it are hard to tell apart since the locomotive has gone through some extensive rebuilding. But if go back through the History of the WC you could find it. Leon, get CM3 a round of his choice please.
Tom- Thanks for the great pics. I am actually wondering why the OSC #25 was sitting on a bridge portion. Is this so it can be moved easier without the steamer having to be taken apart But it was an interesting photo. Oh and thanks for the great pic of the S-2... but it wasn't built by the ALCO company. I see it was built by MLW which I sometimes get confused with the Milwaukee's reporting marks.. MILW. But a cool photo none the less. I love seeing those old locomotive still around. Neat photo, thanks. Thanks for the other great photos.
I was quite surprised to see a British locomotive in Canada. And a question just popped in. Why are there bumpers on the British locos I have always wondered what they did with them. Anyway, thanks for all of the great photos from the museum. To me it looked like a treasure cove for railway artifacts. Neat stuff.
Pete- Well, it seems that the class 37s weren't all that similar to our locomotives. Thanks for the good explanation about them.
90 MPH!! Watching a steam engine doing 90 would be a very impressive sight indeed. I have yet to see that...... If I ever see it, that is. Thanks for all of the great info. And when it came to the street cars... I took an educated guess. I just remembered someone on here talking about them and how they were all but lost except one and the city or some group had plans on restoring it.. But I am quite happy I have retained some of the information that I have learned here. It really has helped!!
Also thanks for the interior shots of that 4-6-2. To me it's a little less complicated than what I have seen. I have seen some cabs so full of knobs and doodads that you'd think the thing would blow up if you touched one... Thanks again.
Eric- Well I have to say you did put in sometime trying to find out my question so have a drink on me. I just can't let you hang there for trying.. Thanks. Okay, before I look at your answer in your next post, about, "what this is," I want to guess. That would be the side frame of the locomotive truck. You can see the wheel and the traction motor under the loco. I can also see the bolster where the locomotive sits on the truck. Does that sum it up a little? But I'm not to sure what locomotive this would be. Just by the looks I would say it's an Amtrak P42... But, I'm not sure.
Lars- Well, I'm glad I wasn't gone for two weeks... But, your right, I think if we have the time to come on, we could at least check up and say, "Hi." It would be a courteous thing to do. I will keep it in mind the next time. I'm glad you liked the last pics before the new camera's photos. This one just gives a more clear photo. It is nice indeed. Thanks for mentioning.
CM3- The Northland is indeed a fine car. I just need to get some photos from the inside to show you. It really is stunning. The brass railings pop out in the museum among the older less stylish equipment... Well it is all pretty stylish.. Both the snow plows came from the Northern Pacific. And you are able to walk inside both of them. That's what really attracts people, the walk in tours. It's pretty neat stuff.
Dave- Thanks for answering my question. I'm glad we have some steam guys around. For I am not one to know about steam engines even though they are some of the neatest locomotives, especially the articulated steamers. Your explanation was very informative and in depth. Thanks again. If I have another SP question (more than likely will happen on this thread) I will be sure to ask you.
Well, I better be on my way, until tomorrow.
Happy railroading
James
Afternoon all: pint of the house special. I see Boris is enjoying his exotic gong...Dang that thing has more of a, how does one desribe it? Appreciate the saluations offered by all.
Nuff, let's talk trains, especially those of the SP variety, but first some acknowledgements:
Tom: Enjoyed the Rail Expo tour, the most unremarked and forgotten expo in my humble opinion was the one presented by the Southern Pacific in 1915, in conjunction with the Pan-Pacific Exposition, amazing that a key featured locomotive, a 4-4-2 survives yet today and until the end of the steam era, one on the display halls was in use as a enginehouse in Gerber, CA., far removed from the exposition site!! Sunday photo (those that would load) are amazing, we have some talented folks among us!!
Eric: SP video? More information please, I should be able to help in your search..Ah yes, the 5011 one of ten 4-10-2's on the system, the only steam locomotive to recieve class four repairs after total dieselization (overhauled at the Santa Fe's San Bernadino shops in 1960 for a possible SP steam excursion program that never came to be) and the only survivor of her type. Hard to imagine such massive machines ending their days in commute and local passenger service, but such was the case.
CMSTPP: I suspect you have seen that much circulated photo of a GS6 "War Baby", Lima delivered six to the SP in 1943 (an additional six were diverted to the Western Pacific), they were unadorned to satisfy the War Production Board, they never wore Daylight or recieved skirts and other trim as displayed by other GS classes. There are two prevailing thoughts of how this non standard lettering came to be: It was done for economy reason, possible, SP had begun to phase out tender lettering during the war and the fact all GS6's were delivered, by oversite in obsolete 1937 lettering , never the less, SP was in no hurrry to correct this, many ran out their days as delivered. I have have also heard this tale: That it was done by a West Oakland paintshop man who was curious how the standard freight stencil would fare. He acquired such a stencil from the car shop and completed the job. A SP photographer, who was present for a unrelated event, captured this never authorized lettering arraignment. After the photo shoot, the tender was quickly restored to standard. Written evidence also suggest the possibility that a GS6 was done with the freight stencil by the shopman in Portland, but there is no photographic evidence to prove it. Either way it makes for the extremely rare and most interesting might have been.
The former Daylight engines ended their days in black, stripped of skirts, the last as built examples operated in modified Daylight colors and full side skirts until early 1955 or so before being demoted to commute and freight duty,wherupon the bright plummage was discarded, some retained their skirts for a short time however. GS-5 4458 concluded long haul steam passenger operations on the southbound (Eastbound per SP timetables)San Joaquin Daylight in September 1957, in black I might add.
Greetings Mr. Domes, Sports casting today is but one example of our failed education system, I swear I need the services of a ten year old to translate!! Guess its a generation thing, all the greats are long gone!!!
Afternoon, CM3, PWolf and our resident interurban expert Rob and the extensive writings of Mr. Lars.
What, I have to go back to work? dang, i'd much rather remain where I am, but those billls don't pay themselfs.
Until my return, keep the conversation and libationsflowing
A pint of Bathams XXX and a round please to celebrate Tom's great photos of No 60010 and the other locomotives at the CNRM.
ERIC Many thanks for the link to LEV 1 and its sisters. They were I suppose a reasonable attempt to provide a service on lightly used branch lines, but with the single cars on BR now the class 153 (which were originally 2-Car class 155s, also built by Leyland, but with two 4 wheel bogies per car) at busy times can be coupled together and have a corridor connection at the ends of the cars.
I see it says in the link that all 5 cars have survived. Also in the link it mentions the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum at Cultra not too far from Belfast Northern Ireland, this is an excellent museum too often overlooked by the railfans of mainland UK. It has an example of the largest class of steam loco to work in Ireland' no 800 Meadbh (named after an ancient Queen Of Ireland and also a Northern Counties Committee 4-4-0 locomotive Dunluce Castle resplendent in LMS Maroon, a very similar loco motive to the Midland Railway class 2Ps but of 5' 3" track gauge.
With the picture, is it part of the secondary suspension I don't know which car it is on so, when in doubt I will say Aerotrain.
As to the photo at the start of the post, as Tom says Tell us more Tell us more
LARS Actually I think that the ad on the Streetcar concerned La Madames de la Motion Perpetuale a' la Quartier Chaud.
When we were talking to the chap at the museum in Quebec he said that they may be expanding quite soon, it is a good size now. Their main hall is a great building, as Tom's photos will show.
Are you sure you have never tried Batham's that is exactly the effect the bitter does have, the Christmas time ‘Special', the XXX, though is strong tasting right from the start but still with the distinctive Batham's taste Alan tells me he is off to the two Batham's pubs in the Stourbridge next week, no doubt calling at the Brewery Tap in the Delph if time permits, all by bus and train.
CM3 I think the Stooges in ‘Vulgaria' was on at the Emporium a few weeks back.
Yes those were the days when the big railway works and large manufactures produced nearly every thing in the works from bolts to main frames and wheels of all sizes from the basic steel. I guess there are not many factories in the West that do that now.
Just a question if I may, with some relatives working for the Great Western Railway I believe you said you was, like me, an LMS fan.
Have a great vacation..
TOM You are right about the sportsmen compared with yesterday and the present, on a radio programme there was an old soccer fan who could remember players catching the same tram as some of the early fans to the ground.Times have indeed changed
It is a shame that the guidebook is not up to date. It would not hurt just to have a loose page telling of the additions and the equipment that as moved away since the main book was published.
Great photos of 60010. I had forgotten you had taken a photo of the inside of the corridor tender. It was hard to take photos in that shed where no 10 was,but yours have come out really well. I took a few of the loco but only a couple are worth showing
Almost a drivers eye view of Dominion of Canada.
A bit out of focus, I'm afraid but it shows the controls of 60010
After Tom and I had been through the corridor tender. In the footsteps of the Top-Link crews on the East Coast Main Line of British Railways.The crew from Haymarket Depot, Edinburgh would change over from the London King's Cross crew just north of York at the Half- way stage of the 393 mile non stop journey of The Elizabethan train. The first compartment in the leading car was reserved for the enginemen. The non stop run was made possible by water troughs( I believe they are called 'Pans' over here) so the loco could pick up water without stopping, through the 'scoop' which is mentioned in Tom's last photo.
The paintwork on the loco is the original that was applied, no doubt to the disgust of LNER fans,at the ex LMS works at Crewe in the mid 1960s before the loco was shipped over to Canada.
Tom Despite Eric saying that the Second Class Saloon doesn't sell Coors
Say it isn't so CM3!! Gone 'til mid-July. Well, a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do, eh Enjoy your vacation!
Great having you 'n Lars on board this morning . . . Although I need to remind myself about being a "sore loser" <groan> <mumble> <grumble>
Canadian National Railways (CNR #5550) 4-6-2 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1914)
SNCF (France) 030C841 (0-6-0) - Built by S.A.C.M (1883)
British Rail (BR #60010) 4-6-2 Dominion of Canada "The Flying Scotsman" - Built by Doncaster (1937) - Pete's in "heaven"!
Canadian National Railways (CNR #5702) Hudson 4-6-4 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1930)
Narrow passageway!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Shaping up to be a warm one today in the coalfields. Gas is at $2.95 and holding, until someone sneezes in Moronica. I am trying to remember which Stooges short took place in "Vulgaria." I do remember the slogan - come on Boris and join in - "Viva Vulgaria, Viva Vulgaria, A Vivo - A Vyvo, A Vivio, a Vivo, Voom!" The mascots love that one as they all get to participate.
Lars stopped by - Glad you got to see a game. We can't afford to see the Sox play. Tickets+travel makes it prohibitive. I saw some of the construction on the new stadium. The guys on ESPN said it's to be called "Citi" Park; I assume for the bank? "Cards be dead," much as I hate to say it.
James visited with comments and pictures. The Northland is a fine looking car. The snowplows are always interesting beasts. RRs up home had a bunch of different ones. Which railroad did the wedge plow come from? As for the SD45, I'll try a guess. It can't be the first one as that's already preserved (and nicely, too); so I'll guess that maybe it's the last one built.
OSP sent some fine pictures and comments. The S2 brought back lot's of memories, especially in the correct paint.
Pete - I believe they did work at Swindon. One I recall hearing about made steel. Svereal others took large pieces of metal and made useful objects from them. Reminds me of the old shop guy saying, "It's really simple - start with a block of metal and chip out everything that doesn't look like a locomotive."
Eric - Which SP video are you hunting for?
Well, I'm off to the frozen north (yeah, right at this time of year). See you all abt. July 16.
Work safe
Ruth my deAH, you are the bright note in this fine day and let me join the list of admirers in saying so! <blush>
Let's see, perhaps just a mugga Joe with a jolt should do it for me along with a cuppla crullers from the Mentor Bakery case. <grin> Ah, I see the crittAHs are all lined up, paws extended - so it's time again for TREATS! Boris, you of course get the small jar of pickled pig's feet AFTER you fill the seed tray for Awk, saucer of brine for Tex and bucket of ice cubes for Frostbite!
Mets won! Mets won! Mets won! A walk-off blast by Green and the Red Birds are Dead Birds! <grin> Only three more to go for the "sweep"!
What's to talk about this day aside from those marvelous pix dropped off by our leader - twice - yesterday! Now we're "into" the Expo Rail museum with some fine looking machines to check out. I've checked the web site a few times and aside from a bit of navigating difficulties, have found the place to be one well worth visiting. Of course I can't imagine getting my aging stern section up to Quebec anytime soon - but nevAH say nevAH.
Speaking of Quebec, I used to ship out with a couple of guys from that part of the world. Great sailors and fine shipmates. Used to tell stories that would keep you in stitches and they had ‘that' quality about ‘em that just made you appreciate having ‘em aboard. Wonder what happened to . . .
For Eric: Now THAT's a fine looking lady, my friend! Sure didn't have "crew" like her when I was "working" for a living. Youse guyz in Sweden KNOW how to take a break. <grin> Figured it was YOU at the door . . . next time watch out for the "trap" that will be set. <uh oh>
For Pete: Beans on toast?!?!? Hmmmmm, you definitely are in need of some help. Figured that pix of you aboard the trolley had something to do with perhaps a great looking steam loco from the UK. But, maybe the Cap'n hit the nail on the head!
The Bathams isn't such a bad brew - just "sneaks" up on ya! <grin>
For James: I see you made it back and not too soon either, as the ‘wrath' of Manager Lars was just about to make an appearance. It's not the idea of one having other things going on in life - we all do - it's being on the Forums and NOT spending even a few minutes that "bugs" the likes of me and others. We saw that far too many times with a few guys who are no longer around the place - RIP. Well, that's over ‘n done for now.
Your new camera appears to be doing what it's supposed to do. Although I never found reason to find fault with any past submissions. Nice to add the narratives - helps.
Don't have a "clue" regarding the answer to your question.
For Fergie: I see you're on-line this morning . . . Anyway, 4 Alco's, huh Can you be a bit more specific with the details??? Powerful loco engines "work" quite well especially in the rather stressful shipboard environment.
Fish cakes used to be a "staple" of diet aboard many a vessel I've signed on with. Of course, there's NO particular recipe - NO one-size-fits-all. A "cake" is a "cake" is a "cake" ISN'T. It's really what "cookie" has left around in the reefer . . . Sounds far worse than they taste.
Time for me to get going with the day routine. Hope youse guyz are all doing well and I'm looking forward to the next ‘round of submissions!
Ruth, set ‘em up and Boris, ring the bell!
What better way to begin the day, even if it's Tuesday, than to have a fresh cuppa Joe, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and perhaps a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board
CLARIFICATION may be in order: The Double Standard really is NOT alive ‘n well here at the bar insofar as Pix are concerned. "Batch" Posting of Pix is encouraged for Saturdays - the day set aside for that sort of thing. However, Pix are ALWAYS welcome during the week - supplemental to a current or on-going topic of discussion.
Bottom Line: Where possible, let's keep in mind that DIALOGUE "rules" - followed by Pix ‘n URLS . . .
DID YOU KNOW The last time we saw trolleyMAN Rob at the bar was May 12th and June 16th was the last time we were visited by barndad Doug - the Barn Weevil. Also - passengerfan Al (20 Fingers) was logged on last evening - imagine that!
Cards 8 - Mets 3! But wait a second . . . that's the number of HITS. Score turned out different in 11 innings. <groan>
CM3 Shane at 9:02 AM Monday - June 25th: As always, a well-rounded spate of dialogue capped with a round ‘n quarters for Herr Wurlitzer!
Always look forward to beginning the week with Shane at the throttle! <grin> Movie suggestions appreciated and will be researched . . .
Enjoyed the "dome" references . . . while I've not traveled those routes in a dome car, I can "relate" to your observations from elsewhere. It's THE way to go . . .
Doesn't appear that we're getting very many ‘takers' for the 2nd installment of our Grudge Match Dart's Challenge with the Second Class Saloon goons. Thus far I've "counted" only Lars as "in" - but we have plenty of time. The trophy we won is "good" ‘til the fall . . .
Lars at 11:35 AM Monday - June 25th: The Larsman returneth with some wit, some profundities and as always, that tempting bit about <ahem> admin work . . .
Appears as if you started something with the "dome dialogue" - good going! Still would like to read a bit more about your California Zephyr experiences - old ‘n new would be just fine.
Thanx for the Email . . . and Let's Go Cardinals!
James at 11:40 AM Monday - June 25th: Didn't know who you WERE, ‘til it dawned on me that it's our Duluth Connection! <grin>
Hot up your way doesn't bode well for the rest of summer. A strange world we're living in these daze, especially when it comes to climate . . .
The Montreal Central Station seems to be always busy, although there are "lulls" - between train arrivals. That station has access to the Montreal metro (subway) system as well as the commuter trains. VIA Rail trains and the one Amtrak rail arrival per day rounds it out. Great place to "people watch" . . .
Good luck with your camera, and thanx for the round!
Fergie at 11:58 AM Monday - June 25th: The sailor returns! Now, I'm wonderin' about ya, Mate. This IS the Ether - this IS a CYBER bar ‘n grill - AND this isn't REALITY, as such. Sooooooooo, just because one eats and/or drinks in reality doesn't mean one cannot imbibe here in the X ‘n O dimension! <grin>
Four locomotive engines runnin' that vessel of yours, eh Sounds like she has LOTSAPOWER!
Appreciate the visit . . .
James at 12:28 PM Monday - June 25th: Five "new" Pix <with descriptions> from your "new" camera!
Great looking SD45 in the Wisconsin Central livery - but I have no clue regarding the answer to your question . . .
Pete at 6:18 PM Monday - June 25th: Good to see ya, Mate and glad the ExpoRail Pix came thru okay . . .
Yeah, that was a "test" regarding the mix-up with the movie descriptions.
Driving a ship is an expression that applies more to the person giving the orders than to the person at the helm. That's in the "for what it's worth" department. <grin>
I think the reason the pro-sports guys of old were indeed more in touch with the public because they lived a lifestyle more in tune with the economics of the working man. For example, it was COMMON to go into the local bars near Ebbets Field in Brooklyn and find a player or two - perhaps even the manager, sipping a cool one after a game. Try that in your local pub these days . . . yeah, right.
Regarding the wide page phenomena - just use a smaller font with any URLS that appear to take up an entire line. It works - Lars "proved" that . . .
Hey! A pix of Moi aboard the ExpoRail streetcar! Good memories, eh
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Leon, good to see you. A ham sandwich, please! On rye, of course. Coffee!
Quite a few things going on here today, sorry, yesterday.
Tom – I agree 100%, there was times when I wish I was somewhere else, for sure! But all together it has been very interesting and fun! See pix below. Two of the train crew is enjoying a break. So I know exactly what you mean. Nice pictures as always! I have been to Montreal by train but we did not stop at the Central Station. We stopped somewhere next to a closed station, don’t remember the name.Was train 696 to New York replaced by a bus?Was that steam locomotive (OSC #25) sitting on a piece of a bridge or turntable? I understand why you mentioned earlier that the Exporail was something for Rob! CM3 – Fish cakes? I heve never been big on fish. We had fish (herring) once a week when I grew up and that was enough for the rest of my life. I have checked Pentrex, but they do not have the video I am looking for. I don’t know what SP did with that video. Maybe the tape is sitting in a dusty corner in a closet. Who knows? Lars – Me sneaking a peak? No, I would never do such a thing. At least not very often. The bump is almost gone now. James – St. Louis Museum of Transportation has a lot of cars and locomotives to restore. I just hope they have money enough to be able to do it. That Swedish steamer is kind of new, built 1952.Very nice pictures from the museum! I tried to figure out why you picked SD45 #7495 to come to Duluth. I checked population of Duluth, position (latitude, longitude), roads, etc. but I just don’t know. Fergie – How many engines? Four? 44 year old, does that mean that Hudson also is 44 year old? If I recall correctly you should be back in Halifax late next week, right? Questions, questions.Pete – "Eastern Beers Only" means (among other things) no Coors Light, so I don’t think you would like to go there, right?I’ve tried to find out about any remaining Leyland RailBus in the US and it seems like there is one. It has been in West Virginia 2000 and later at Connecticut Trolley Museum. But according to their website they don’t have it anymore. http://www.metropolitanrailway.co.uk/pacer2.htmFinally a reminder. What is this?
Answer tomorrow.
A pint of Holden's please RUTH.
ERIC Great photo of the Second Class Saloon. I see the patrons are wearing ties; it must have been a special occasion. Does ‘Eastern Beers Only' mean that no Coors Light.
There are a good number of freight cars behind the locomotives on Amtrak 42.
Half right in the quiz is the best yet.
With the Leyland Railbuses I am sure I read there was one on a preserved line over here, thanks for the link. I have wracked my brains but can't think where I saw it; perhaps it will come back to me. I am pretty sure some of the Leyland National buses did have a set of doors half way down the vehicle to help with unloading, although the ones in my area only had the front doors. It would be interesting to know many Nationals were sold, as they seemed to be everywhere at one time.
As Tom says I am not so stealthy aboard train, but a quick chance of a cigarette break at a station then.
The station at Stratford On Avon is a little way out of the town center. There have been a regular steam train run from Birmingham to Stratford on Sundays during the summer. There are usually two trips generally with ex Great Western Railway engines supplied by Tyseley museum.
As it was law from the start that railways in the UK had to be fenced so locomotives did not carry headlights, even the early diesels and electrics. All the locomotives and units now carry a high intensity headlight.
Great photo of the S1
FERGIE I have not had a fish cake for ages. They were a staple diet of the school dinner; we did not know what was in them, which was probably just as well. There were also on the menu of a lot of Fish and Chip shops in the UK, some were very good. Tom and I also had a good ‘Chowder' in Halifax.
Some of the best Chicken Wings I have had for a while was at the TrainWreck Saloon during the rendezvous.
Sounds a great bit of ‘Boat Driving'
Safe Voyage.
LARS Great words in your post. As you say, there is such great material back at the old Our Place. Unfortunately it is very seldom I do go back there but when I do I get engrossed and it is usually well over an hour before I emerge again.
Enjoyed reading your experience of riding the California Zephyr in C&O days and with dome cars in the train. Owing to the loading gauge in the UK there is nothing like them there and having had an experience of traveling in one I can imagine what a great experience it must have been to travel through the scenery the Zephyr went through in a dome. Thanks for the link it gives a good idea of traveling through the Rockies in a dome.
Good to see the book covers encore. Looking at the ‘Rites of Passage' cover I still wonder how long that wagon as stood in that same spot by the state of the rail.
Great words and book covers for Dave.
YES it was 50 years ago Saturday that the last Kansas City Streetcar ran. As a prize I will stock the Manager's Private Bar with some Bathams
There may be a small problem with the Our Place Admin, I caught BORIS feeding TEX some invoices while you was away. TEX was doing a good impression of the Aflac goat.
DAVE Really great to have you back, many thanks for the kind words.
Looking forward to some SP material when you can.
CM3 Did any of your family work at the Great Western railway works in Swindon. It was the town's largest employer for many years.
Many thanks for sharing those great Dome car memories.
Panic sets in with me when we get down to the last can of beans
Entering ExpoRail
Old Sydney Collieries (OSC #25) - Built by Baldwin (1900)
Canadian Pacific (CP #7077) S-2 - Built by Montreal Loco Works (1948)
"In" ExpoRail
Streetcar built by Canadian Car & Foundry (1928)
Pix aboard the trolley!
Thanks Ruth but I'm good for now... But if the guys want another get'em one. I'll pay, ThanksWhen I was thinking about what pics I would like to show you, I thought about the museum here in Duluth. I don't think you have seen it yet. And thinking there were plenty of pics from Tom's homestead I thought I would join in.
So here goes. These are all taken with my new camera. I am still learning how to use all the functions on the camera but I thought these turned out best.
Here is a pic of the first NP steamer. An the William crooks next to that.
Here is our Northland Business car. The thing about this car is that it was made of complete metal and yet when you go inside it looks like wood. Some painters spent more time than I wish to count and handed painted all the metal to look like a fine grain mahogany wood. And it fools anybody everytime. I will see if I can get a pic of the inside.
Here are our two snowplows. The first plow to the right is called a wedge snowplow. It just pushes the snow to the side. The second plow is a rotary snowplow and blows the snow away from the tracks. It's pretty cool.
This SD45 is one of the last Wisconsin Central SD45s to ride the rails of Wisconsin. When the CN took over the WC 4 years ago they had decided to scrap all of the SD45 due to there voracious appitite for fuel. So the last one came to the Museum. Now there is a reason why we picked this one to come to the Museum here in Duluth. Can anyone tell me why?
And a few of our volunteers getting the SOO Line GP30 #700 ready for the Pizza train. Just a neat shot.
EricX2000 wrote: Fergie – Congratulatons to the perfect approach! I bet it is not easy to control a boat in the sea with wind and currents doing their best to get you in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Eric
Fergie – Congratulatons to the perfect approach! I bet it is not easy to control a boat in the sea with wind and currents doing their best to get you in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Eric
Well it wasn't too bad a gentle breeze, slight swell and 4 ALCO's. Ya Baby Ya!!
Hudson has 44 year old train engines in her. KISS I'd say
Well not much out here today just clear skies and some Thunderstorms in the forecast.
Love to stick around but had the Fisherman's platter for lunch
Later All
Fergie
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Ruth- Could a get a "cold" glass of OJ and a turkey sandwich, Thanks... Oh and a round for the guys to make my time up for the days I was gone.... Make a special one for our friend Dave. Thanks again.
<phew> I tell ya, it's been a busy week for all here in the northern part of the states and HOT!!! I think it reached 90 yesterday with 100% humidity. Now that's hot...... I did get my new camera though.!!! Ooh it is nice. I will post some pics here later on. I see we have had a return from one of our members. Welcome back Westcoast S Dave!!! Good to see you back in the US of A.
Okay on to some acknowledgements starting from the most recent.
Tom- Thanks for the story about the return trip from Halifax. You certainly know how to spruce a story up. Now I need to go back and thoroughly read the first three so I can see how it was spent. Also thanks for the link to the pics from your Canada trip. Much appreciated.
One of these days I would like to go see a station that is actually in use. Your pics from the Montreal Central station just make me want to go. I did get to see the Milwaukee Road's depot in Minneapolis and it has its great hall still intact from the time it was built. There's nothing like going back in time inside an old train station. It's hard to imagine in some of those stations that many people came through at one point in time to ride a train... All I can say, is that, it's a feeling like no other... Thanks for all of the pics from the rendezvous. Always a good sight to see.
West Coast Dave- Well I'm glad you pulled through and came home safe and sound. But I've got a question for you now. I have heard that you know quite a bit about the Southern Pacific.. I found a picture of the Daylight steamer... except... it was all Black and had the southern Pacific logo. I thought all of the steamers that ran the daylight had the sunset scheme, or am I wrong It just seamed odd. Lars has a pic of it on one of his movie covers. I'm guessing it was used for freight, right Anyway, glad to have you back.
Pete- Good to see some pics from across seas. I have a question about those Class 37 diesel electrics. Where were they built and by who And do you know what kind of an engine they have in them Just curious to see if they resemble any of the locos over here with what they use for a prime mover. Also thanks for the nice pics of that 2-10-0 steamer. I would like to see some more steamer here in the U.S. It would be cool to see steam more often. Also, to try and answer your quiz, I remember an article back in the thread about a tram line that had fallen and had completely disappeared, but they had planned on restoring one of th trams. but I don't remember if it had disappeared 50 years ago in Kansas City.. Am I getting close
Lars- Thanks for all of the great looking book covers. I'm glad you chose to show those. I was quite anxious to ask about that steamer. You always seem to come in at the right time, which is a good thing. Thanks again. Well to answer your question about Sunday... I wish it was relaxing... It was to Hot to do much. I would like that lake to kick in soon with it's breezes...
Eric- Good to see another pic from the St Louis museum and a few others to make this place interesting. As I have probably said, that museum does phenomenal work when it comes to restoring pieces of railway history. I'm sure they have quite a few other to restore but what they have done still blows me away. Also thanks for the neat little Swedish steamer pic. I always like seeing those little steamers chugging away down the line. Thanks again.
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