G'day Gents!
A bit of banter going on between Jan 'n Lars! Also some fine "shrouds" from our Swedish Scot in the UK!
Also just caught that fine Post from Ron down in Mississippi!
Now for a change of pace . . .
OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day!
Here's something that a few of you may remember from days gone by when pouring through those model RR magazines - TT scale!
Frequently Asked Questions About TT Scale To the TT Scale On-Line Home pageWhat is TT scale? TT scale is a model railroad scale whose size falls in between HO and N scale. It's actual scale measurement is 1/120, or 0.10 inch = one foot, or one inch = ten feet. It's track gauge was set at 0.471 inch or 15/32. 12mm is currently the accepted gauge, which is 0.472 inch. TT scale was once the smallest practical model railroad scale available, and quite popular, even though it was (and is) primarily a craftsman's scale (Almost everything was assembled from kits or scratch built.). You could say that TT scale is close to HOn3. So you can have a main line model railroad in the same space as an HO narrow gauge railroad. Where did it come from? TT scale was the invention of an engineer by the name of Hal Joyce around 1940, who also created HP Products, but commercial production was delayed until 1945 because of the war. HP brought out an extensive line of locomotives, cars, track, and accessories. Other manufacturers also joined the ranks of TT scale producing items. Gandy Dancer, Jewel, Craftsman, Star-Line, Kemtron, and Christoph Products just to name a few. TT was a fairly popular scale through the 1950's. Why haven't I heard of TT scale before this? TT scale has very few followers or modelers in the United States today. Most of the major model railroading publications do not even acknowledge that it exists. When N scale made it's appearance in the 1960's, and using better manufacturing processes that made superior detailing possible, as well as cheap ready to run equipment, TT scale declined rapidly. But because of the Internet, TT'ers have started to come together for modeling discussions, and to voice their needs and wants. Thus, more modelers are hearing about TT scale today. Is TT scale popular anywhere? Yes. TT scale is very popular in the European countries. Rokal, in Germany, started manufacturing some items in 1949, and by 1952 had a full line of engines, cars, track, and accessories available. Other manufacturers in Germany and other countries also started manufacturing TT scale items. TT scale in Europe is second only to HO scale, and is gaining. What is available in TT scale? If you want to model European railroads, everything is available, ready to run. If you want to model North American railroads, items are available as well, but not in the variety and quantity that they are for European model railroads. Locomotive types are limited, as are cars, buildings, and accessories, and all are in kit form. But things are getting better. Since the track is the same gauge for European TT and American TT, it is readily available and is a very good quality product. Tillig (in Germany) has the most complete line of track and turnout items including curved turnouts and double-slip switches. These are available from Euro Train Hobby who has an extensive web site. Most other American items are from left over stock of the original TT scale manufacturers, or from cottage industries casting items in resin. European and Australian locomotive drive kits can be used for engines, but they are still kits. What is the minimum radius for TT scale? The accepted minimum radius is 14 inches, although you can possibly go down to 12 inches, but you will be limited on some equipment that can be used. The NMRA has a section or list of Recommended practices for TT scale. These can be seen at the NMRA web site. Where can I get TT scale items? European TT scale trains can be gotten from Europe of course, but also from importers such as Euro Train Hobby in New Jersey. American TT items can be gotten from some of the old timers that are selling off their excess stock, such as Larry Sayre formerly LarCo Models, and John Harmon, formerly Allegheny Model Products. Also, some of the newer manufactures / modelers have a good variety of items from engines, cars, buildings, and other accessories, all in kit form. These items can be found through searches on the Internet. The primary web site for these items is http://www.ttscale.com. However, there are also a few other small manufacturers out there that have TT scale items available who are not associated with ttscale.com such as BTS and Sleepy Hollow Models, so a good Internet search of TT scale will certainly produce some good results. Also, eBay seems to have TT scale items on there quite regularly. You must search in Model Railroading, "other scales" and "TT" to bring up the list. Also you can search "120" as well. An NMRA type standards gauge and a TT scale ruller are available from Coastal Engineering, who has a listing on www.ttscale.com. Is TT scale more expensive than other scales? TT scale trains and kits are priced about the same as HO and N scale items. Some items may be less, some more. Because TT scale in America today is supported solely by a cottage industry, some items may be produced and sold in limited numbers. The older and original TT scale items may be more expensive, as some are starting to view them as collectable. However, there are still some good running original HP steam locomotives available for a reasonable price. Wher Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:54 PM Good day Tom and all present or not. Drinks for all as usual. I just finished lunch so a pint of Guinness only for me. As I mentioned a while back, one of my many interests is cooking. I rarely eat out and only if it's prime rib or a seafood buffet. Down here in Mississippi, everything is all-you-can-eat buffets. It's a great deal. You can eat at a buffet at one of the casinos here and for $18.95(used to be $9.95), you can partake of all the Alaska King crab and shrimp you can eat. Also on the buffets are steak, mussels, oysters, fried chicken and countless other items. All Chinese restaurants do the same thing at a cost of $5.95 to $7.95. It's easy to gain weight here. I don't know if other parts of the country do the same thing. When I travelled up to N.Y. last year, I did find most Chinese restaurants did have buffets.My guess for when we reach the 100 page mark is Aug 21. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it.For Eric: I'm happy to hear your recovery from heart surgery is going so well. The medical arts have come a long way from even just 20 or so years ago. Pain management pretty much has eliminated all pain. (I don't like pain). Just as an example of how painless most procedures are (unlike Dr. House), When I go in for a colonoscopy, (I've had 3 so far) the nurse numbs the area for the IV. Then I'm given an antibiotic and a sedative, all before being put to sleep. It's actually less painfull than a haircut. I'm scheduled for another one next month.I liked the models. That Swedish engine especially is one of my favorites. Am I to understand you were an engineer in Sweden and drove one of those electrics? Maybe you can relate some of your impressions. It's not too often that a real engineer is on this forum.Thanks for the link to DD-1 data. It does have some usefull data and every bit helps.My vote for the most beautiful locomotive ever built has to go to the GG-1 in it's original Pennsy colors. I usually don't think of locomotives as objects of beauty. I look at them in terms of brute force power. A Rottweiler vs a poodle. That's why I'm into heavy electric traction and some steam and diesel power also.For all: I came across the following piece as I was surfing for DD-1 information.A Tale of Two Memos:Charles Lindbergh and the Pennsylvania Railroadby James Alexander Jr.A version of this was published in Locomotive and Railway Preservation Magazine in January 1994 under the title of Two Memos and Two Machines: Lindbergh and the Pennsylvania Railroad, and in Milepost, the Journal of the Friends of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. From The Memos: 1927: A special train for the International News Reel Corporation was operated from Washington, June 11, 1927, for the transportation of motion picture films of the reception of Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh at Washington ... 1950: E6s No. 460, out of service awaiting Class 3 repairs since April 2 this year, is the locomotive that hauled to New York the motion pictures of the Lindberg (sic) Reception in Washington after his Trans-Atlantic Flight. Do not include this locomotive in any list of locomotives to be scrapped or sold. When it is retired from active service, arrange to have it retained as a relic for historical and exhibition purposes. Pennsylvania Railroad Memorandum, Philadelphia, June 13, 1927, from D. M. Sheaffer, Chief of Passenger Transportation, to M. W. Clement, Vice President, Operations:A special train for the International News Reel Corporation was operated from Washington, June 11, 1927, for the transportation of motion picture films of the reception to Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh at Washington....Waiting with a full head of steam on track eight at Washington's Union Station, PRR Atlantic No. 460 was coupled to B-60-B baggage car No. 7874 and P-70 passenger coach No. 3301. Extra 460 East was ready to go!In the quest to be the first to bring the historic film of the Lindbergh ceremonies to New York City's Broadway theaters, other newsreel companies had chartered planes to fly film northward. But the International News Reel Corporation was determined to transport its film by train, as it had successfully done after President Coolidge's inauguration two years earlier.To make a long story short, the PRR E6 beat the airplanes to New York by 1 hour. The E6 was uncoupled from the two coaches and replaced by a DD-1 to finish the trip under the Hudson river to Pennsylvania Station.Not only does the E6 no.460 have a historical background, it seems the DD-1 does also.(The number of the DD-1 used was mentioned, but I forget to include it.)BTW If anyone needs a special scale made up for use in scaling drawings from books and magazines, don't hesitate to ask. I can make a special scale just from one dimension using Autocad®. Edit JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:59 PM Landlord Tom and gentlemen.....Slamming and rattling in the kitchen....pommpommhummtadadadaammm....Sorry fellas, just being bored and thought that I'd scramble something together to kill time.There's already a few plates up on the counter, so help yourself. I hope that some spicy chili will rub your stomachs the right way....Lars, that drink (extra cold Guinness please) will come in just fine thanks. It's mighty hot in here.....I hope that I haven't overstepped the line according to the rules , if I have I offer you my humble apologies. I hope that you all enjoy a nice morning or evening wherever you might be, reading the morningpaper with a cuppa.Gotta go..... before something get burnt... All the best! Jan LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:39 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom!I think it's time again to remind a few of the "basics" from Page One . . . .History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains." The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains. All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.Objective: Have fun!Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch. Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh So, here's the deal - you don't get <tweeted> 'n we go on with our info exchanges, free from the stress 'n strain of Da Boss' wrath! <grin>For Jan: Fine looking machines . . . have a drink on me! Until the next time! Lars JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:03 AM Fellas..... Here's my Top 6 of favorite streamlined steamer....It's a shame that only the SP Daylight and N&W J is the only one of these that are preserved....Who remember DL&W winged Pacific? All the best! Jan LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:29 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, you are a marvelous sight this day - and ANY day!! How about a mugga Joe with a jolt, a couple of those Danish from the bakery case ‘n a round for the gang! Change is YOURS my lovely! <blush>Boris, the crittAHs are ready for feedin' - so let's get with the program, mate! And yes, the small jar of PPF is yours once finished. HEY GUYS, stop by Tom's other thread - there's a great post from a guy that I think you'll enjoy. Why not invite him to stop in over HERE?????For Da Boss: I'll take Monday, August 27th for reaching page 100! Good stuff on the Southern! For Jan: No way do I think your Milwaukee Road streamlined steamer was the best. My vote goes to the New York Central's J3 Hudson with streamlined casing designed by Henry Dreyfuss.In 1934, NYC J1E Hudson 5344 was the world's first streamlined locomotive. The "bathtub" shroud was designed by the Case School of Science at Cleveland, OH.Many more - but let's see what the guys have to offer! For Pete: The Larsman does NOT pay for five dollar coffee! Furthermore, I'd be very cautious with commentary regarding the use of the Penthouse Suite, especially since there's EVIDENCE of Sonia being a visitor! You wouldn't know anything about THAT wudja??? <uh oh> I'll go with Da Boss and his guess regarding your "mystery pix."For Dave: Thanks for the cautionary comments. Yes, I was careful up there while getting several shingles replaced. The chimney requires a bit more attention and looks like we'll have some tuck pointing done. Thought I could handle it, but the wear ‘n tear is more extensive than it first appeared. <arrrrgggghhhh> Anyway, great to see ya again! Hope the gaps aren't as long as the last one. Otherwise, Da Boss will have to put you back in the Legion! <tdn>For Dan: Toronto and having fun - now that's the idea! Very nice of you to think about us while on holiday. There's two of us who do such things!! Should say three - as the Cap'n does it all the time. Anyway, hope the ONR trip works out ‘n we'll be waiting for a report! For Eric: Ok, have it your way! Just glad to know you're mending well, feeling good ‘n back to speed. Nice looking model trains - now all ya need is a LAYOUT! <grin>For Shane: The loss of the "Scooter" has shaken many baseball fans in this area. The man was an icon in New York City ‘n will remain so for quite awhile. Didn't realize he spent 40 years BROADCASTING! I can still see him turning double plays at shortstop for the Yankees on the way to those 7 WS championships. Yeah, an icon for sure! RIP Phil! Good "stuff" on the Crescent . . . .Southern Serves the South!C'mon Ruth, we've gotta get that <ahem> admin work squared away! Boris, do your thing! Until the next time! Lars coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:34 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's see, today we'll play "Nellie Dean, Head for the Roundhouse Nellie - The Engineer Can't Corner You There, and Barefoot Nellie." Boris does a real good spoons solo on the middle tune. Gas is at $2.74 here today, temperature was 52 degrees this a.m.Yankees lost, Sox win (late inning heroics), and the Cards are twitching a little (five games below .500 and in the wild card hunt.) BTW, for those who remember the Scooter, the NY Times website has an excellent slideshow about him. DL - Glad you made it.Pete visitedDave stopped by, too.Eric - As I said, "Generic B&O country." The little electric - hmm - I see all kinds of kitbashing possibilities on that one, except that it probably costs a ton of $. The tunnel motor is nice - can't believe it's cleaner than the real ones. When the C&O side had SD50s, they'd be clean entering tunnels over here and look like D&RG units when they came out - Chessie paint was nice when it was clean, but if it got dirty...Jan Olov - I see lots of billboard cars down at the M&S NG yard. Skyraider was an interesting label. I have several friends who served on the "Sara." Well, since the gloves have been dropped, I'll jump in first. IMHO, most of the streamlined designs were not all that great and some, in fact, were terrible - NYC Mercury design and the NYC Commodore Vanderbilt are two that come to mind. As for most of the PRR (with the exception of the as-built T class,) I don't think they make the cut either. So I'll cast a vote for the New Haven I5 in terms of looks - remember that mechanical problems don't play a part here. Second place goes to the NYCs Hudsons which were streamlined for the 1938 Century. OSP sent some Southern material. The SOU advertised in the National Geographic quite a bit. Much of their ad copy was devoted to industrial development (with a bit of moonlight and magnolias thrown in now and then). As for the "Crescent," it depends on which train you are talking about. Boris will have to carry the lantern again while we adjourn to the vault.Here's some information about the Crescent as it was about 1930. I posted this awhile back, but why not?This was an L&N/A&WP/SOU/PRR operation Northbound Lv. New Orleans 9:00 p.m. - L&NLv. Mobile 1:15 a.m. - L&N Arr. Montgomery 6:25 a.m. - L&NArr. Atlanta 11:40 a.m. - A&WPArr. Spartanburg 5:30 p.m. - SOUArr. Charlotte 7:25 p.m. - SOUArr. Lynchburg 12:40 a.m. - SOUArr. Washington 5:20 a.m. - SOUArr. Baltimore 6:35 a.m. - PRRArr. W. Phila. 8:43 a.m. - PRR Arr. No. Phila. 8:55 a.m. - PRR Arr. New York 10:45 a.m. - PRRSouthboundLv. New York 8:40 p.m. - PRR Lv. No. Phila 10:34 p.m. - PRR Lv. W. Phila. 10:49 p.m. - PRR Lv. Baltimore 12:57 a.m. - PRR Lv. Washington 2:10 a.m. - SOULv. Lynchburg 6:52 a.m. - SOU Lv. Charlotte 12:01 p.m. - SOULv. Spartanburg 1:50 p.m. - SOU Lv Atlanta 6:05 p.m. - A&WPLv. Montgomery 11:30 p.m. - L&NLv. Mobile 4:22 a.m. - L&N Arr. New Orleans 8:30 a.m. - L&NFlag stops were at Bay St. Louis, Pass Christian, Gulfport, Edgewater Park, Biloxi, Ocean Springs, and Pascagoula "to take on passengers to or from Atlanta and points east.""The Crescent Limited will carry northbound from Mobile, and southbound to Mobile, only passengers to and from destinations beyond Alabama; south of Montgomery will carry Montgomery passengers only from or to New Orleans and points west."EQUIPMENTClub Car: New Orleans - New York (Valet service, movable chairs, two sofas, four double seats, buffet, magazines, writing desk and accessories, shower bath.)Dining Cars - All meals en route10 sect/2 compt/1 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - New York10 sect/2 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - New York (2 cars)14 section sleeper: New Orleans - New York (at least one car)10 sect/2 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - Washington2 dr. room/3 compartment/observation car: New Orleans - New York (women's lounge room, shower bath, maid and manicure service, sofa, movable chairs in the observation end, magazine, writing desk and accessories.)No coaches.Work safe siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:21 AM <courtesy: www.viarail.ca>Wednesday's WitticismDo not desire what you can't acquire.G'day Gents! Petrol dropped again, this time to $2.49 (rounded) - that's $2.48.9 for the arithmetic challenged! <grin>Hot, hot, ‘n hotter! Record set ‘round here at 103 (F) as August continues to burn us alive in mid-continent USA. <ugh> Only good thing to say is that with each passing day, the FALL gets CLOSER! Last request - HELP WANTED! Okay guys, this is the time to put up or . . . tomorrow I'm outta here after getting the morning ACKNOWLEDGMENTs out (maybe!). So, let's see if we can muster up some support - especially in the AFTERNOON ‘n EVENING! CONTEST underway: It's that time again for an "Our" Place test of judgment! WHEN will we reach 100 Pages at the reborn Thread??? Shouldn't be all that difficult to measure, however, getting PARTICIPATION before I close it up is more of the challenge. All we need is the date (day/month) when you think we'll hit the century mark! CM3 Shane sez Monday, Aug 20th - Jan sez Saturday, Aug 25th - Pete says Thursday, Aug 30th - 'n Eric says Tuesday, Aug 21st - what's your pick???? CONTEST SUBMISSIONS END FRIDAY at NOON!!!Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)Lars (LoveDomes) at 7:46 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: A rather early AM visit from our Manager. Pleased to see that you've put us ahead of roof ‘n chimney repair! <grin> That's either dedication, or procrastination! Either way, great to have you "in."! Nice supplement to the C&NR "stuff" - always like the book cover selections that you come up with. We've probably gotten some guys on board who weren't exposed to the <star> "thing" back when these Forums used to "award" ‘em for the number of Posts made. 5-stars was the maximum. I've pretty much forgotten what the milestones were - but no matter. Amassing 7,000 plus Posts is nothing more than being active on the Forums. Some guys like to run up "the count" with absolute nonsense, whereas others put forth substantive matter. I'm hoping to remain in the latter category . . . Your comment on those who "wing it" really brings to mind a few guys who used to do that regularly. It got to the point where I'd send ‘em Emails asking them to consider how they were embarrassing THEMSELVES. Didn't work. Fortunately, they're gone . . .Thanx for the round, support ‘n covers! CM3 Shane at 8:27 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: You're "in" with Aug 20th as your date! That's a Monday, by the by . . . Thanx for being the 1st to sign-up! Temps here in the AM have been 75 at 6 - 6:30 AM when we take Juneau for his first walkathon through the wilds of the subdivision. Second walk occurs about 2 hours later, and by then it's in the mid-80s. By noon the walks are restricted to around the property in the SHADE of the trees. Too hot for dogs ‘n people. <ugh> Next big walk is in the evening - about 7:30 PM when the sun finally settles below our hills ‘n tree line. <phew>Figured you'd pick up on those traction book covers provided by Lars! <grin>I see my "talents' are being exploited once again! This time as "Relay Man" for Email destined to the coal fields of WVA! "Relay Man," Privacy Guardian for those who prefer to remain "anon" in the Ether. Friend to all who give a Rat's Patoot, ‘n Mentor to the likes of Boris ‘n Leon, our less fortunate souls who have found themselves completely at home in "Our" Place! Yeah, that's me - RELAY MAN! Bring ‘em on!! <grin>Many thanx for the quarters, round, chat ‘n support! Jan (JanOlov) at 8:45 AM ‘n 9:03 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: With a string of beer labels like that, we'll reach Page 100 today! <grin>Much appreciation for the gifts of brew for whoever wins! As mentioned, they are all stowed away up in the Manager's Bar in the Penthouse Suite! Noted your "edit" ‘n fine addition of that Milwaukee Road streamlined steam loco! Is it a 4-4-2 Hiawatha?? That'll "work"! Also added your Contest entry! <grin>Think you'll get an argument regarding "THE most beautiful steamlocomotive ever designed." I KNOW for a fact that Wolfman Pete ‘n Manager Lars have their "favorites" - so let's hear about ‘em!! Pete (pwolfe) at 4:06 PM Tuesday - Aug 14th: Springfie Happy Railroading! Siberianmo EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:00 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, I think the time is right for Rumpsteak Café de Paris! Tired of it? No way, try it yourself and you will understand why not! Fries, please. After a night with just a few hours sleep, an extremely powerful and noisy thunderstorm woke me up at 2 AM, I feel kind of tired but I certainly would like to know what happened at "Our" Place today before I hit the sack. Tom – Two weeks ahead being on the mend is fine! This whole thing, all of a sudden having a triple bypass operation and then being able to recover with hardly any problems or pain at all is like winning the lottery. They discovered the problem before anything happened to my heart. So my heart doesn’t have any damage and I feel great! Not that strong yet, but still great!Thank you for the C&NW info on those “400” trains! 400 miles in 400 minutes! That is not bad!The picture with the CSX freight? I don’t remember exactly where I took it, but it was somewhere between Harpers Ferry and Washington D.C. Sorry I can’t be more precise. But it was 14 years and a couple of weeks ago. Page 100? August 21! Southern Railway System! Interesting! Did their Crescent Sunset Limited have anything to do with SP’s Sunset Limited? Lars – Don’t worry, I am not pushing any limits the doc put up. The only real stupid thing I’ve done so far was when I tried to do some yard work last Sunday. I felt right away that was the wrong thing to do so I gave up after a few minutes. Some very interesting book covers! The diesel on the third one from the top looks exactly like a the model I have! I had hoped to be able to show that model in a picture tonight but the camera battery died before I could take one. So I’ll show it next week instead. CM3 – Slow and easy is what it is! The CSX pix was taken somewhere between Harpers Ferry and Washington D.C. I don’t remember exactly where though. JanOlov – Good grief, how many different kind of beers are there? The most beautiful steam locomotive designed? Wow, that was a tough one. I am afraid I can’t give that answer tonight. But I promise to think about for a day or two. Pete – Sorry, I had problems with the battery in my camera when i was taking my pictures so I was only able to get two pictures taken. Very nice picture of that Class A4! What year did you take it?The other picture is from the Netherlands. ACTS locomotive #6703 is pulling a Mercia Charters cahrter train in Holland. ACTS is normally only running freight trains. Could it be from July 7 this year?DL – Glad to hear you made it safely to Toronto! Hope you will have a good time! Dave – Good to see you again!! Tucson is not that far away! Old SP territory! Looking forward to see you soon again!This is a (N-scale) Swedish Class Du2 electric (now retired). A type of locomotive I have operated many, many times, usually in multiple. A SP SD40T-2. HO scale. At this moment the camera battery died, so this is all for this time. Eric West Coast S Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Los Angeles 1,619 posts Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:01 PM Good day lads, I have returned from the legion of the lost (yet again, seriously i've been TDY to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds and Tucson these past few weeks, what a total grind!) Enough of formalities, set up em on me, got all that per deim money burning a hole in my pocket!Just wanted to wish natal returns to Pwolf and a substantial wet kiss from Boris in my behalf!!! Good day to Barndad, Always refreshing to see a man of your talent and abilities around the bar! Capt Tom good to see you about and your usual involvement in the establishment...A special round for you sir!!! Lars, Keep safe, and don't fall off that roof!!!! The tool/materials are ok to toss, but not oneself...Well, obviously I feel lower then a snakes belly at my ignorance as to recent events and my inability to proivide a intelligent response to the fantastic postings since my last visit, I shall return as time permits... SP the way it was in S scale DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:18 PM Hi Tom and all inenclosed with is this note is a crate of steam whsitle brewery beer for all to enjoy from the old roundhouse near Union station.Arrived here in Toronto OK - my 1st web connection is a free one in a shop where I am with my other half! We are riding the TTC a lot - have booked the Ontario Northalnd trip so report back soon in order. Jet lag enabled an early start to the 1st day to see off The Canadian from Union station - 20 cars - 4 or 5 domes - Budd looking good in the steel! - This shop is just near a CPR east bound line so just seen some good freight action with triple heading! Good stuff. No time to read other posts but thought it good to say hello to all - hope business is good these last few days!DL pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:06 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Mauldons please RUTH.DOUG Great to see you in. Many Thanks for the wishesERIC Thanks for the DD1 drawing.I shall look forward to your models tomorrow, if you are able to take the photos.Is the CSX train in New England..Is Lars paying for the $5 cup of coffeeJAN Real glad you are enjoying the banter at the bar, its what makes Our Place special to me. Really liked the list of Mauldons alesoccasionally we would be able to get Mauldons in Rugby as one of the local pubs would have it as a guest ale. It was a good beer.We will have to get Allan's opinion on the Mussel Inn beers. I had a look at their web site and found the one that would not appear in your post, it has a great description of the bitter.Thanks for the photo of the Milwaukee Road 4-4-4 Streamliner.A photo of a British streamliner ex LNER A4 60007 'Sir Nigel Gresley' LARS Take care while you are on the roof today.Fully agree with what you say about the bar.Yes the Shopping expeditions are to be avoided if at all possible, that why I like Hermann MO when it is cooler, I can sit in the park between the Missouri River and the railway with the pooch and a book while the bride browses the antique shops.Some good C&NW book covers, the official color photographs looks an interesting book.CM3 I can't wait until it gets down to 54F in the morning here in Mid Mo.Talking about elephants, a silly thought came in to my head; I wonder how they transported giraffes by rail in the old days of circus trains.TOM Hammonds Field in Springfield MO is a modern and a really good stadium; as you say the minor league baseball do try to entertain the crowd between innings. There was some brilliant fielding with some great double plays, which considering the temperature on the field was at least 100F for most of the match, was very good. As you say most of the players seemed quite young.For the competition I will say August 30th It is quite possible we will reach the 2,000th post around page 100.What does manager Lars think about giving up the Penthouse Suite for a weekend as the prize, Jans beers look well worth having. Thanks for the Southern Railway ad, it good to see a freight ad, I guess most of the ads for freight were usually posted in trade magazines etc.The Southern drumheads seem a lot plainer than a lot of the other roads.The thing about the Southern steam locomotives I have seen in photos is, that the design of the tender seems to compliment the looks of the locomotive. As to the bar tab, I have taken the attitude of ‘Drink today, pay tomorrow'Can anyone guess the country this photo was taken in. Clue it is not Britain or IrelandA pint of New Zealand bitter from Mussel Inn and a round please RUTH siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:23 PM G'day Gents!Time for another Blast from the Past!PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #50 Here's something to enjoy regarding the Southern Railway (SOU) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection. <A form of this was initially Posted on Page 200 of the Original Thread>[Yeah, I know this is a FREIGHT ad - but what the heck!!] . . . . . . THE SOUTH Suits to a "T" WHY has an average of one new factory a day located along the lines of the Southern Railway System during the past three years? Because industries are discovering that the South served by the Southern is a "gold mine of opportunity"! With a wealth of natural resources and advantages, expanding consumer markets, skilled and willing workers . . . and a bright future . . . the South suits all industries - to a "T". Look Ahead - Look South!" Earnest E. Norris, President. SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM The Southern Serves the South * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Some drumheads of the Southern's passenger trainsEnjoy!Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:40 AM Sorry about that O' Enlighted One. August 25th for me please....And to get back on to the topic for the evening.....THE most beautiful steamlocomotive ever designed....On the side, how many of Milwaukee Roads trestles and bridges still stand today? All the best! Jan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:26 AM G'day Gents!Good to see CM3 Shane "in" today - and THANX for being the first to sign-up for the CONTEST!! My, my - that's quite an impressive list of brew from Jan Olov. We'll store ‘em in the Manager's bar up in the Penthouse Suite for the winner to enjoy! Thanx!Jan, you did everything but pick a date!!! <geesh> CONTEST will CLOSE in a few days time. So let's get "in" on the action. Now let's get to CLASSIC TRAINS - we've had all kinds of booze ‘n beer to dwell upon - but the idea ‘round here is TRAINS! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:03 AM Just thought that I'd try another way to see if it worked.....but nooooooo! I think that I'll just go sliently and sit in this corner and sulk....Maybe a bit of good ol' Rockabilly in my headphones will cheer me up......oh well.In case you wonder what beer it was that messed it up, it's called Bitter ***. All the best! Jan JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:45 AM I'll throw in a selection of beers from my private stash as well for the 1st prize winner to enjoy, that is if Master Tom doesn't mind.... These will be found in a suitable place in the above mentioned penthouse.Sorry for the editing, but one of the beers was mocking me.....and it still is All the best! Jan coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:27 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England 4 Seasons Blend); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.7.4 this a.m., and it was approx 54 degrees when I left the house this a.m. That's a little more like it for around here this time of year.Eric - Glad to hear that your recovery is progressing. Slow and easy does it, chief. Nice shot of the CPL signal; they're vanishing fast - problem is that it's hard to tell where it was taken as it is "generic" B&O countryside in the best sense of the word. Lars - Boston, Revere Beach and Lynn. IIRC, some of the MBTA Blue Line either parallels or is on old BRB&L ROW. Boston Trolleys in Color - PCC's Type5s and Buses, Ph My! Rode all of them over the years. Yes Boris, I have pictures - maybe we can bring some to the rendezvous. Also thanks for the CNW book covers. Roof stuff? Remember - one hand for you, one for the ship! We did all of that last year. Go, Giants!Pete - Thanks for the additional 0-6-2T information. Elephants throwing baseballs? Maybe he could close in Boston given the way their latest hired gun performed in his past two appearances. Barndad stopped in - "Hi and bye!" Hope all is going well with you.OSP - All of these pictures and comments re Scotch reminds me of the great line from Mr. Roberts, "And a drop of iodine for smoky taste." Thanks for the CNW information. The Es and Fs were in as-delivered paint. Incidentally, the "Flambeau" soldiered on for a long time and eventually became the "Flambeau 400." Contest - Let's see, we'll go with August 20th. Usually all I win is the keys to the spreader for when we muck out Boris's dwelling.DD1 - Eric sent along a side view. Boris and I put our cap lights on and went back into the PRR vault. The 1925 Locomotive Cyclopedia has detailed drawings, including a numbered cutaway of the DD1s innards - it was interesting to see how everything was quartered so that it would work correctly. I had not looked at some iof this stuff in a long time. Are you familiar with Fred Westing's book, Penn Station: It's Tunnels and Side Rodders? It was published by Superior in 1978. Most of the book is a reprint of a 1912 item about the construction of Penn Station. However, there are several sections on the DD1 toward the end of the volume. Many contemporary pictures. Pp. 144 and 145 reproduce the diagrams that appear in the Cyc. Underneath the diagram on p. 145 is a Westinghouse-produced shot of a "nekkid" DD1 that shows how everything was fitted together before the body was dropped onto the frame - talk about some castings. Then comes about 10 more pictures. Of interest to you would be a pair of "down on" shots ; one taken inbound at the Bergen tunnel portal and the other near Sunnyside. They show the as built arrangement of ventilators and other apparatus on the roof of the locomotive. Of course, some of this was changed (along with the headlight) on the DD1s in later years. It's amazing how much of this came back to me. If you can't lay hold of this stuff, I can copy and send it to you. Send your address offline to Tom and he will forward it on to me as he is the keeper of that sort of stuff at my request. Hope this helps.Work safe siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:10 AM CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST We are approaching Page 100 on this reborn Thread of ours. So, it is time again to put forth a best-guess regarding WHEN we'll reach that marker!So, let's PARTICIPATE in this event by providing us with the DATE (day-month) when Page 100 is reached.That's IT!Prize for the winner will be keys to the Penthouse Suite for any weekend in September! Also, free drinks 'n food for a week (your choice)! Employees 'n staff ARE eligible to participate! <grin><In the event of a "tie," the winner will be the guy who made the 1st guesstimate!>So, let's get 'er going! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:46 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a jolt if you please! My, my that is an intriguing outfit you're wearing today. C'mon over on this side of the bar, wudja?!?!? <blush> Oh well, can't blame a guy for asking! So, looks like the crittAHs are lined up waiting for feeding time. Let's get with it, Boris, then you can have that small jar of PPF over there! <grin>An early start for me, as there are some matters requiring my time ‘n attention! Gotta get up on the roof for some shingle repair then the chimney needs a look see, then . . . For Da Boss: Many thanks for the compliments. Really don't deserve anything special for doing my job ‘round here. All kidding aside, I figure that this bar functions on the backs of those who not only show up regularly, but contribute in discussion, pix ‘n banter. Doing all three should "earn" one the right to be called a "regular." Don't have a bunch of guys in that category, but we do have a good "core"!! The guy who makes this place "go" is YOU. No doubt, no question, and no debate on that one! I'm just one of the supporting characters who enjoys the atmosphere of this tavern by the tracks. Will say this though, there's no way one can participate in what we do without reading what's been posted. Can't "wing it," can't "pretend," ‘n surely "can't" phony up to the bar. Nope! A guy is either genuine or he's gone as far as I'm concerned! Really liked that nostalgia bit you put out on the C&NW! Two fine photos to go along with those drumheads ‘n of course the ad. Nicely done, mate! By the way, CONGRATS on reaching 7,000 posts! That's quite an accomplishment for the forums. For Pete: So the Bar Chandler has meandered back into town, huh?? And looking for a break!! I'll give ya a break - but that's another story! <grin> Anyway, you already are getting an employee discount when we ring up your tab! <Good Grief Charlie Brown> A weekend away does wonders sometimes. I know we've been on the go so much lately that it's actually good not leaving the house. Of course the Sarge Mrs. has shopping withdrawals from time to time, so I'm always looking for a place to hide before she maps out her next venture to spend the fortunes of the Larsman Family! <ugh> Glad you enjoyed your time away! For Eric: I'm with Da Boss - what's the hurry? I'm not kidding! There's a reason the docs put a time limit on "things" like healing. Hope you're not letting impatience override what needs to be done. Anyway, we can't afford to lose our night owl! For Jan: Apparently no limit to the various, assorted ‘n different brands of Scotch whisky where you are. I'm a beer kinda guy, but a dram now ‘n then surely goes down well. Then again, I do prefer a "jolt" in my coffee! <grin>For Ron: You too have rather expensive tastes with the Scotch! I'd say you've found a partner in Jan! Also, I hear that stuff is good for snake bite treatment too! Don't have much lawn to take care of where we are. Could do it with an old fashioned push mower, but I power up the self-propelled Craftsman now ‘n then just to keep up appearances in the neighborhood! <grin> You ‘n Da Boss must have pretty good sized lots to require work horses like you've mentioned. No thanks! <grin>Time for some book covers for the C&NW! Ruth, appears that we've accumulated some <ahem> some admin work - ready???Boris, disable the alarms, disengage the cameras ‘n pad lock the stairwell!! <geesh>Until the next time! Lars siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:08 AM <courtesy: www.viarail.ca>G'day Gents! Got a break from the 100 degree (F) temps yesterday as the cloud cover provided some relief during the morning hours. <phew> Gonna be a scorcher for the remainder of the week, "they" say. Petrol was $2.51 (rounded) at "Collusion Corner." Not to revel in this, for with Labor Day coming up, watch the prices sky-rocket! <groan>Repeated - HELP WANTED! Okay guys, this is the time to put up or . . . Thursday I'm outta here after getting the morning ACKNOWLEDGMENTs out (maybe!). So, let's see if we can muster up some support - especially in the AFTERNOON ‘n EVENING! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)Pete (pwolfe) at 5:56 PM Monday - Aug 13th: The Wolfman returneth with a fine inclusive, informative ‘n interesting Post! Good to know that minor league baseball is continuing on with the "traditional" elephant throwing out the baseball "thing"!! I recall watching the AAA Tidewater Tides in Norfollk, VA many decades ago, and there'd always be some nonsense going on before ‘n during the game to keep the fans distracted, or was that entertained?? <grin> Anyway, always enjoyed minor league ball . . . kids were "hungry" ‘n played hard. Good observation regarding the ARR equipment. Yes, they keep the locos ‘n cars in outstanding material condition. A little pride goes a long way, eh We're really looking forward to our return to the 49th state ‘n another "go" aboard the Denali Star. Round appreciated - BUT - how can you continue doing this when you're on bended knee with the Manager trying to get a reduction in bar costs??? <grin>Doug (barndad) at 8:32 PM Monday - Aug 13th: A thoughtful visit ‘n round of greetings from the Barn Weevil! Even dropped some CASH on the bar! Eric (EricX2000) at 1:44 AM today - Aug 14th: Two weeks ahead of schedule is fine for things like getting a house built, but is it for being on the "mend" Sure hope so!! Because you ASKED! The CNW's most famous train, the Chicago-Twin Cities 400 was introduced in 1935 to compete with the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy's Zephyrs and the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas. This train was named because it traveled the 400 miles between the cities in 400 minutes. CNW was the first system to start a high-speed Chicago-Twin Cities schedule because it used refurbished instead of new equipment, but in 1939, modernized the 400 with new E3A diesel locomotive pairs and streamlined cars.CNW eventually renamed the first 400 to the Twin Cities 400 as the CNW stuck almost all of its passenger trains with the 400 moniker, including the Flambeau 400, Rochester 400, and the Kate Shelley 400. CNW ceased running the Twin Cities 400 in 1963, and all intercity passenger service on CNW ended with the formation of Amtrak in 1971. <from: wikipedia.com>That's CSX on the tracks - so we know it ISN'T Sweden!?!!? Where??<grin>Appreciate the willingness to help out on Thursday! Jan (JanOlov) at 3:23 AM today - Aug 14th: And yet ANOTHER dram for the boyz! They say Scotch is an "acquired" taste - at the rate we're going, we'll ALL be bought - lock, stock ‘n barrel - as the saying goes! Good to see ya! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:23 AM Tom and all. Well as I see it, you can't beat a good banter back and forth. It's all in good fun and it keeps a tired spirit in a good mood as well. Without that, BOY! would it boring..... A wee bit slapping around never hurt anyone. Let me pour you a wee dram fellas....To your health! All the best! Jan EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:44 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Hmm, sorry Leon, just a short stop so give me a cup of coffee and keep the change, please! Another hot day in the desert, 113°, and we arelooking forward to more of that kind. Tom – Good news about Nick! Hope everything will turn out to the best!!I’ll be here Thursday afternoon. I am starting my cardiac rehab on Wednesday but I am available Thursday. No plank walk for me, please! The doctor was very satisfied with what he saw today and I’ll most likely will go back to work in about two weeks! Wednesday (tomorrow) I’ll start my rehab. So everything is just fine. The doctor said I am about two weeks ahead of time!I am looking forward to see “The Heroes of Telemark” again next month!Thanks for the Chicago & NorthWestern encore! One of my favorite railroads! One of the first models I bought was one of a C&NW F7 A+B-units. I still have it. Why did some of their name trains have “400” included in their name?Thanks for the round!CM3 – The display shot is actually from outside ABB’s plant in Elmira Heights, NY. It was taken during the National Tour with the X2000 and they placed whatever they had in the plant on display with the X2000. To the left is a light rail from Baltimore (built by ABB) and the other units/locomotives were being rebuilt by them. Lars – As I said to Tom, I’ll be here Thursday, at daytime! I’ve been involved with those other forums for a long time. Sometimes not much of interest is going on and other times I get upset over different things and can’t keep quiet. You know how it is. Thanks for the book covers! Never heard of Boston Revere Beach & Lynn. Or maybe I did last year? As a matter of fct I think i did!JanOlov – Hope you got your right hand out of the keyboard! Ron – A quick look tonight and I found a pretty bad quality drawing. I am sure you have a better one, but I’ll keep looking for more and better info.http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=dd1.gif&sel=all&sz=sm&fr=Pete – I’ll try to take pictures of some of my models today, Tuesday, and show them tomorrow.Doug – Party? Where... where is the party??? It’s only 276 days to the Rendezvous!! Time flies! Eric Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 13, 2007 8:32 PM Evening Tom and crew! Belated Happy birthday to Pete, and an on-time one to Allan, and a belated happy 28th anniversary! I'm working at OD tonight, so I have some extra cash for a few rounds if that's OK.Thanks for the welcoming words the other day (week?) when I last posted, 'cuz yes .. I did see them!For now, please excuse the hasty retreat. Ya'll post so many goodies that my break time is up! Well done as usual guys! Have fun at the party! Edit pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Monday, August 13, 2007 5:56 PM Hi Tom and all.A round for all for the wishes, much appreciated, and to celebrate the 28th Anniversary of OUR Place please RUTH and a very to ALLAN.JAN That sounds a great job you have.I wonder if that ‘Frontier Shack' bar car was saved for preservation.Many thanks for the dram. I have not read the book you shown I'm afraid.There is a large collection of drumheads at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay Wisconsin, perhaps they would know if anyone still makes them. LARS For my next birthday it will be 40 years to the day that British Railways ran the last standard gauge steam train the famous 15 Guinea special. I have read that they are going to do a repeat steam special on the day over the same route. Two of the locomotives used on the 1968 trip are under overall and are hoped to take part. One of the locomotives Britannia class 70013 ‘Oliver Cromwell' has not run on the main line since the end of BR steam. The loco was the last steam loco to receive an overall by BR at Crewe Works. Many thanks for the Norwegian photos NYC diesels and the Boston book covers.‘Thimble', how about an employee discount on my bar tab.RON I really is annoying when you have done a post and then it disappears, have a Glenlivet on meThanks for the info on the snakes; I did not know about the baby snakes being worse, certainly best to be avoided.Certainly I think there are a few more secrets to come out of WWII. There was a documentary, a while back about, about the aircraft and rockets the German's were working on that could reach America.As Tom says we had the Titfield Thunderbolt on at the Emporium a while back. The star of the film, the locomotive LION, was steamed in the late 1970s, early 80s and I was fortunate to get a ride behind her on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway in Yorkshire. Yes it is hard to believe the movie is over 50 years old now, there is a great scene of the Great Western shed at Bristol at the end of the film.Imagine the care one would have to take taking that bottle of whisky home. ERIC It would be great to see photos of your models.I got one your photo quizzes right.The story of the Heavy Water plant is well known in Britain. Reading the link makes on realize just how brave the members of the Norwegian Resistance were, also from the photos how difficult a target it was to bomb. Those photos are very clear when enlarged thanks for sharing.Yes the ex LMS class 5s are a good looking locos, they were popular with the crews as well. Introduced in 1934, a Sir William A Stanier design they were Britain's most numerous class of tender steam locomotives totaling 842 locos. They could be seen from Thurso in the very north of Scotland to Bournemouth on England's South Coast. The class lasted right to the end of BR steam, and they took part in the last BR steam train, as I mentioned in the post to Lars. That is a good collection of motive power in today's photo.Good to see you in this afternoon and I am very glad you visit to the Docs went well.CM3 Love the title of the ‘snake' song.I would never have guessed what that piece of equipment in Eric's photo was used for.I see in the next issue of Trains Magazine there is going to be a fold-out photo of the UP heritage painted units.I forgot to mention the L&NWR 0-6-2 Webb ‘Coal Tanks', introduced in 1882, they also worked on the lines in the South Wales coalfields deep into Great Western territory reached by the Central Wales Line, mentioned in a recent post from DL, as well as the joint GW/LNWR line through Hereford and the Welsh Marches. They lasted to the mid to late1950s and one of the class has been preserved in LNWR livery, although I don't think she is running at the moment.TOM We had a great weekend. Despite the 100F temp we went to see the Springfield Cardinals baseball the heat was not too bad as we were in the shade and I enjoyed the match although the Cards lost 13-5. We got in time to see the start of the game but missed the elephant that wa siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, August 13, 2007 3:22 PM G'day Gents!A better Monday than most! Thought we'd be hearing from the B'day Boy in New Zealand . . . perhaps tomorrow! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative) Jan (JanOlov) at 7:49 AM ‘n 7:56 AM ‘n 9:05 AM Monday - Aug 13th: Some on-line "back ‘n forth"!! Reminds me of the old days ‘round here when we'd get a couple of guys "on" at the same time. Was good for the "flow"! CM3 Shane at 9:47 AM Monday - Aug 13th: <ouch> Song title "hurts"! <grin> We just happen to have THAT one on our jukebox - Herr Wurlitzter for you newer customers - just press T48!! Oh yeah, 5 plays for a quarter - coins are in our Coal Scuttle sitting just to the right . . .Some fine elaborations provided, as always! Makes the Posting of this "stuff" worth the while when someone takes the time ‘n makes the effort to not only READ ‘em, but ENGAGE! That's what we hope for ‘round here, as Lars our Manager has been saying over ‘n over! Much appreciation for the round, quarters ‘n visit! Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:16 AM Monday - Aug 13th: I think if we were to bring back any of the recognition awards from past days <daze> at "Our" Place, the MVP (Most Valuable Patron) would most surely have you well into the running. Can't stress how helpful it's been to have you dependably showing up everyday. Not just cursory visits, but with chat, chatter ‘n "stuff" to keep things going. Nice job, Lars! I too have come to the realization that what was is just that - WAS. We're in the here ‘n now - so let's maximize that aspect of what we do! CHEERS to the gang at "Our" Place, and for those who have found elsewhere to roam - RIP. My guess is we'll be hearing from CM3 Shane on those traction book covers you provided! Thanx for keeping us on the Classic Trains theme - that IS what we're supposed to be all about ‘round here! Noted you didn't have any <ahem> admin matters to attend to yesterday. Hmmmmmmm???? Is that because the Penthouse Suite was "active" on Sunday??? Oh yeah, the ceiling fan has a camera in it! <grin> Vito the Hit has opened a new business - VrU - Voyeurs ‘R Us! <uh oh>Rounds appreciated! Jan (JanOlov) at 12:12 PM Monday - Aug 13th: Slainte Mhor! Eric (EricX2000) at 2:10 PM Monday - Aug 13th: An afternoon visit! Now THAT's cause for celebration. Ring the bell, Boris ‘n Ruth, let's have a round! Ron (DD1) at 2:47 PM Monday - Aug 13th: The Great State of Mississippi is on board with our Southern Snake Charmer Connection! Your petrol is way higher than ours - odd, given that the Gulf if "right there." Never can figure this stuff, can we I have a Toro Wheelhorse X something-or-other for our property. Used to have John Deere products for years. Really sorry I went to Toro, hardly the machine the Deere's are, in my not-so-humble opinion. However, I own it and it does the job.Now with the heat of the summer upon us, cutting about every other week is "it." I can handle that. But when the fall arrives and leaves begin dropping, off comes the mulcher blade, on goes the regular ‘n then it's bagging leaves for about 2 months straight of two or three times per week. <ugh>Without getting into too much minutia, let me just say that hanging around this bar is just like frequenting one in real life. There are "things" that are done, and things that "aren't." So, when the Proprietor (that's Moi!) notices an "infraction," I break out the <tweeter>. Blowing into it emits a shrill sound, kinda like TWEEEEEEEEEET. Once heard, stand-by for the RULES INFRACTION announcement, followed by PUNISHMENT! That's about it. <uh oh>Staying current with what's on the Pages keeps you up to snuff with the way things are done ‘round here, best advice I can give. Gotta read ‘n digest, otherwise it's a lost cause! <grin> Not really that much to remember - CLOSED on SUNDAYs - bartenders are listed at the bottom of the daily acknowledgments, and so on!Oh yeah, wouldn't concern yourself over what's over ‘n done - you've redeemed yourself, Mate! John Cleese is one of our favorites here at home - especially anything with a Monty Python connection. Also his work in A Fish Called Wanda - and - Fierce Creatures is simply outstanding stuff, fer sure, fer sure! The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James was featured at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre back during the week of February 5th thru 11th, 2006!! Catch y'all in the 'morrow! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 13, 2007 2:47 PM Good day Tom and all present. drinks for everyone and a wee sip of of the following for me. Glenlivet Single Malt Scotch 50 year old - Gordon MacPhail BottlingDistilled 1940. This whisky was distilled at The Glenlivet Distillery, Banffshire, in the Highlands of Scotland on the 3rd February, 1940. The whisky has matured in selected oak casks at the Distillery and more recently at the warehouses of Gordon and Macphail in Elgin. After spending over 50 years in cask it was bottled in the City and Royal Burgh of Elgin.Price: $2590.00.I can't imagine a bottle of Scotch costing that much, but if I had one, I would start an IV with it.For Allan Your're now getting neck and neck with me. Mine is not far off.I spent yesterday drawing the plans for my model DD-1. I got the side detailed, but have to do more research on the top, front and rear views. BTW, can anyone lead me in the right direction to find DD-1 photos and especially dimensional data? I seem to have exhausted all my resources and not coming up with any new stuff.I had to take the lawn tractor (Toro XL500) to the dealer for repair. He was surprised to see it, as he told me they are the more dependable ones around. He sees a lot of problems with John Deere, Troy Bilt and most of the others. He says Graveleys are the best (he sells them). He didn't have any Toros in for repair, but plenty of all the others, so I guess I made a good choice. I was able to pinpoint the problem, so maybe he will be able to get it back to me quickly, before the grass gets so tall, I'll have to bush-hog it.Gasoline is $2.70 here in Ms for those who track prices.Tom, I don't understand what "tweet" means and what violation I have committed. I guess I'll have to spank myself like John Cleese does in "Faulty Towers", one of the funniest programs and men around. DL might agree with me on this. I understand John Cleese has a ranch in Sonoma, Ca, not far from San Rafael where I moved from 20 years ago. I'm also a big fan of English movies and English actors/actresses. Have been all my life. Does anyone remember the movie "The Titfield Thunderbolt"? It was about a group of villagers trying to save their railway that was to be shut down. Lots of tongue in cheek humor and good shots of a vintage steam engine that was dragged out of storage and put back in service to prove a point. This movie is over 50 years old.Later gents, Ron Edit EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Monday, August 13, 2007 2:10 PM Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Hello Ruth, haven't seen you for some time. This is a quickie, but I'll have a ham sandwich. Sugar Cured Ham! Just stopped by to wish a Happy Birthday to Allan!!! He is down there on the other side and ahead of us. Have a real good one!!!Spent the morning at the doc's office. Everything was fine and he thought I should be able to start working in two weeks! Not full time right away, but still! I'll be back later, at my normal hours! Eric siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, August 13, 2007 1:59 PM G'day Gents!How about a Blast From The Past on this Monday The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #19Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: Chicago & NorthWestern (C&NW) <A form of this was Posted on Page 133 of the Original Thread> Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned. Chicago & NorthWestern (C&NW) Headquarters: Chicago, IL Mileage:- 1950 - 9,693 1955 - 5,000 Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 744 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 41.383 Passenger cars - 447 Principal lines in 1950: Chicago-Fremont & Omaha, NE Fremont-Lander, WY Nelson, IL-Madison, Il (St. Louis) Chicago-Minneapolis, MN via Madison & Wyeville, WI Milwaukee-Rapid City, SD via Wyeville, WI & Mankato, MN Eau Claire, WI-Duluth,MN Chicago-Milwaukee via Kenosha, WI Chicago-Milwaukee via Bain, WI Milwaukee-Green Bay via Fond du Lac, WI Green Bay-Ashland, WI via Rhinelander Green Bay-Ishpeming, MI Powers, MI-Hurley, WI Minneapolis & St. Paul-Omaha via Mankato Lake Crystal (Mankato)-Des Moines, IA Passenger trains of note: Ashland Limited (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland) Dakota "400" (Chicago-Madison-Huron, SD) Duluth-Superior Limited (Chicago-Madison-Duluth) Flambeau "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland) Kate Shelly "400" (Chicago-Boone, IA) North Western Limited (Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis) Peninsula "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Ishpeming) Shoreland "400" (Chicago-Milwaukee-Green Bay) Twin Cities "400"(Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis) Valley "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Menominee, MI) Of note: C&NW also was a forwarder for UP's streamliners and Domeliners (ie: City of Los Angeles, City of Portland) between Chicago & Omaha until Oct 1955. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * C&NW A-B-A Es <foto credit: unknown> C&NW A-B-A Fs <foto credit: unknown> Some drumheads of the C&NW Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo JanOlov Member sinceDecember 2001 From: GB 376 posts Posted by JanOlov on Monday, August 13, 2007 12:12 PM I apologise in case that you find this post hard and slow to read, but my right hand is stuck in the keyboard, so I have to write this with my left hand.... and for those keys that I can't reach, there I have to use my nose.I just found the MacDonald Models ad in Classic trains. It's funny how you miss things when you look for something .....I see that that they're asking for $350 for drums and $350 and up for signs (looks like a period of water and bread for me, since I'd like on one the wall), any ideas what the difference is? I really hope that they jump onto to the www-limited soon.And as our almighty Tom so promptly pointed out, just as I managed to forget it, it's Monday once again.So I see it as my duty to try brighten this place up with a few nice drams around the bar....Enjoy lads and slainte! All the best! 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To the TT Scale On-Line Home page
What is TT scale? TT scale is a model railroad scale whose size falls in between HO and N scale. It's actual scale measurement is 1/120, or 0.10 inch = one foot, or one inch = ten feet. It's track gauge was set at 0.471 inch or 15/32. 12mm is currently the accepted gauge, which is 0.472 inch. TT scale was once the smallest practical model railroad scale available, and quite popular, even though it was (and is) primarily a craftsman's scale (Almost everything was assembled from kits or scratch built.). You could say that TT scale is close to HOn3. So you can have a main line model railroad in the same space as an HO narrow gauge railroad.
Where did it come from? TT scale was the invention of an engineer by the name of Hal Joyce around 1940, who also created HP Products, but commercial production was delayed until 1945 because of the war. HP brought out an extensive line of locomotives, cars, track, and accessories. Other manufacturers also joined the ranks of TT scale producing items. Gandy Dancer, Jewel, Craftsman, Star-Line, Kemtron, and Christoph Products just to name a few. TT was a fairly popular scale through the 1950's.
Why haven't I heard of TT scale before this? TT scale has very few followers or modelers in the United States today. Most of the major model railroading publications do not even acknowledge that it exists. When N scale made it's appearance in the 1960's, and using better manufacturing processes that made superior detailing possible, as well as cheap ready to run equipment, TT scale declined rapidly. But because of the Internet, TT'ers have started to come together for modeling discussions, and to voice their needs and wants. Thus, more modelers are hearing about TT scale today.
Is TT scale popular anywhere? Yes. TT scale is very popular in the European countries. Rokal, in Germany, started manufacturing some items in 1949, and by 1952 had a full line of engines, cars, track, and accessories available. Other manufacturers in Germany and other countries also started manufacturing TT scale items. TT scale in Europe is second only to HO scale, and is gaining.
What is available in TT scale? If you want to model European railroads, everything is available, ready to run. If you want to model North American railroads, items are available as well, but not in the variety and quantity that they are for European model railroads. Locomotive types are limited, as are cars, buildings, and accessories, and all are in kit form. But things are getting better. Since the track is the same gauge for European TT and American TT, it is readily available and is a very good quality product. Tillig (in Germany) has the most complete line of track and turnout items including curved turnouts and double-slip switches. These are available from Euro Train Hobby who has an extensive web site. Most other American items are from left over stock of the original TT scale manufacturers, or from cottage industries casting items in resin. European and Australian locomotive drive kits can be used for engines, but they are still kits.
What is the minimum radius for TT scale? The accepted minimum radius is 14 inches, although you can possibly go down to 12 inches, but you will be limited on some equipment that can be used. The NMRA has a section or list of Recommended practices for TT scale. These can be seen at the NMRA web site.
Where can I get TT scale items? European TT scale trains can be gotten from Europe of course, but also from importers such as Euro Train Hobby in New Jersey. American TT items can be gotten from some of the old timers that are selling off their excess stock, such as Larry Sayre formerly LarCo Models, and John Harmon, formerly Allegheny Model Products. Also, some of the newer manufactures / modelers have a good variety of items from engines, cars, buildings, and other accessories, all in kit form. These items can be found through searches on the Internet. The primary web site for these items is http://www.ttscale.com. However, there are also a few other small manufacturers out there that have TT scale items available who are not associated with ttscale.com such as BTS and Sleepy Hollow Models, so a good Internet search of TT scale will certainly produce some good results. Also, eBay seems to have TT scale items on there quite regularly. You must search in Model Railroading, "other scales" and "TT" to bring up the list. Also you can search "120" as well. An NMRA type standards gauge and a TT scale ruller are available from Coastal Engineering, who has a listing on www.ttscale.com.
Is TT scale more expensive than other scales? TT scale trains and kits are priced about the same as HO and N scale items. Some items may be less, some more. Because TT scale in America today is supported solely by a cottage industry, some items may be produced and sold in limited numbers. The older and original TT scale items may be more expensive, as some are starting to view them as collectable. However, there are still some good running original HP steam locomotives available for a reasonable price.
Wher Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
Good day Tom and all present or not. Drinks for all as usual. I just finished lunch so a pint of Guinness only for me. As I mentioned a while back, one of my many interests is cooking. I rarely eat out and only if it's prime rib or a seafood buffet. Down here in Mississippi, everything is all-you-can-eat buffets. It's a great deal. You can eat at a buffet at one of the casinos here and for $18.95(used to be $9.95), you can partake of all the Alaska King crab and shrimp you can eat. Also on the buffets are steak, mussels, oysters, fried chicken and countless other items. All Chinese restaurants do the same thing at a cost of $5.95 to $7.95. It's easy to gain weight here. I don't know if other parts of the country do the same thing. When I travelled up to N.Y. last year, I did find most Chinese restaurants did have buffets.
My guess for when we reach the 100 page mark is Aug 21. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it.
For Eric: I'm happy to hear your recovery from heart surgery is going so well. The medical arts have come a long way from even just 20 or so years ago. Pain management pretty much has eliminated all pain. (I don't like pain). Just as an example of how painless most procedures are (unlike Dr. House), When I go in for a colonoscopy, (I've had 3 so far) the nurse numbs the area for the IV. Then I'm given an antibiotic and a sedative, all before being put to sleep. It's actually less painfull than a haircut. I'm scheduled for another one next month.
I liked the models. That Swedish engine especially is one of my favorites. Am I to understand you were an engineer in Sweden and drove one of those electrics? Maybe you can relate some of your impressions. It's not too often that a real engineer is on this forum.
Thanks for the link to DD-1 data. It does have some usefull data and every bit helps.
My vote for the most beautiful locomotive ever built has to go to the GG-1 in it's original Pennsy colors. I usually don't think of locomotives as objects of beauty. I look at them in terms of brute force power. A Rottweiler vs a poodle. That's why I'm into heavy electric traction and some steam and diesel power also.
For all: I came across the following piece as I was surfing for DD-1 information.
A Tale of Two Memos:
Charles Lindbergh and the Pennsylvania Railroad
by James Alexander Jr.
A version of this was published in Locomotive and Railway Preservation Magazine in January 1994 under the title of Two Memos and Two Machines: Lindbergh and the Pennsylvania Railroad, and in Milepost, the Journal of the Friends of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
From The Memos:
1927: A special train for the International News Reel Corporation was operated from Washington, June 11, 1927, for the transportation of motion picture films of the reception of Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh at Washington ...
1950: E6s No. 460, out of service awaiting Class 3 repairs since April 2 this year, is the locomotive that hauled to New York the motion pictures of the Lindberg (sic) Reception in Washington after his Trans-Atlantic Flight.
Do not include this locomotive in any list of locomotives to be scrapped or sold. When it is retired from active service, arrange to have it retained as a relic for historical and exhibition purposes.
Pennsylvania Railroad Memorandum, Philadelphia, June 13, 1927, from D. M. Sheaffer, Chief of Passenger Transportation, to M. W. Clement, Vice President, Operations:
A special train for the International News Reel Corporation was operated from Washington, June 11, 1927, for the transportation of motion picture films of the reception to Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh at Washington....
Waiting with a full head of steam on track eight at Washington's Union Station, PRR Atlantic No. 460 was coupled to B-60-B baggage car No. 7874 and P-70 passenger coach No. 3301. Extra 460 East was ready to go!
In the quest to be the first to bring the historic film of the Lindbergh ceremonies to New York City's Broadway theaters, other newsreel companies had chartered planes to fly film northward. But the International News Reel Corporation was determined to transport its film by train, as it had successfully done after President Coolidge's inauguration two years earlier.
To make a long story short, the PRR E6 beat the airplanes to New York by 1 hour. The E6 was uncoupled from the two coaches and replaced by a DD-1 to finish the trip under the Hudson river to Pennsylvania Station.
Not only does the E6 no.460 have a historical background, it seems the DD-1 does also.(The number of the DD-1 used was mentioned, but I forget to include it.)
BTW If anyone needs a special scale made up for use in scaling drawings from books and magazines, don't hesitate to ask. I can make a special scale just from one dimension using Autocad®.
Landlord Tom and gentlemen.....
Slamming and rattling in the kitchen....pommpommhummtadadadaammm....
Sorry fellas, just being bored and thought that I'd scramble something together to kill time.
There's already a few plates up on the counter, so help yourself. I hope that some spicy chili will rub your stomachs the right way....
Lars, that drink (extra cold Guinness please) will come in just fine thanks. It's mighty hot in here.....
I hope that I haven't overstepped the line according to the rules , if I have I offer you my humble apologies.
I hope that you all enjoy a nice morning or evening wherever you might be, reading the morningpaper with a cuppa.
Gotta go..... before something get burnt...
Ahoy Cap'n Tom!
I think it's time again to remind a few of the "basics" from Page One . . . .
History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains." The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains. All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.Objective: Have fun!Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch. Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh
History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.
Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains."
The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains.
All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.
Objective: Have fun!
Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch.
Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.
Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh
So, here's the deal - you don't get <tweeted> 'n we go on with our info exchanges, free from the stress 'n strain of Da Boss' wrath! <grin>
For Jan: Fine looking machines . . . have a drink on me!
Until the next time!
Lars
Fellas.....
Here's my Top 6 of favorite streamlined steamer....
It's a shame that only the SP Daylight and N&W J is the only one of these that are preserved....
Who remember DL&W winged Pacific?
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, you are a marvelous sight this day - and ANY day!! How about a mugga Joe with a jolt, a couple of those Danish from the bakery case ‘n a round for the gang! Change is YOURS my lovely! <blush>
Boris, the crittAHs are ready for feedin' - so let's get with the program, mate! And yes, the small jar of PPF is yours once finished.
HEY GUYS, stop by Tom's other thread - there's a great post from a guy that I think you'll enjoy. Why not invite him to stop in over HERE?????
For Da Boss: I'll take Monday, August 27th for reaching page 100!
Good stuff on the Southern!
For Jan: No way do I think your Milwaukee Road streamlined steamer was the best. My vote goes to the New York Central's J3 Hudson with streamlined casing designed by Henry Dreyfuss.
In 1934, NYC J1E Hudson 5344 was the world's first streamlined locomotive. The "bathtub" shroud was designed by the Case School of Science at Cleveland, OH.
Many more - but let's see what the guys have to offer!
For Pete: The Larsman does NOT pay for five dollar coffee! Furthermore, I'd be very cautious with commentary regarding the use of the Penthouse Suite, especially since there's EVIDENCE of Sonia being a visitor! You wouldn't know anything about THAT wudja??? <uh oh>
I'll go with Da Boss and his guess regarding your "mystery pix."
For Dave: Thanks for the cautionary comments. Yes, I was careful up there while getting several shingles replaced. The chimney requires a bit more attention and looks like we'll have some tuck pointing done. Thought I could handle it, but the wear ‘n tear is more extensive than it first appeared. <arrrrgggghhhh> Anyway, great to see ya again! Hope the gaps aren't as long as the last one. Otherwise, Da Boss will have to put you back in the Legion! <tdn>
For Dan: Toronto and having fun - now that's the idea! Very nice of you to think about us while on holiday. There's two of us who do such things!! Should say three - as the Cap'n does it all the time. Anyway, hope the ONR trip works out ‘n we'll be waiting for a report!
For Eric: Ok, have it your way! Just glad to know you're mending well, feeling good ‘n back to speed. Nice looking model trains - now all ya need is a LAYOUT! <grin>
For Shane: The loss of the "Scooter" has shaken many baseball fans in this area. The man was an icon in New York City ‘n will remain so for quite awhile. Didn't realize he spent 40 years BROADCASTING! I can still see him turning double plays at shortstop for the Yankees on the way to those 7 WS championships. Yeah, an icon for sure! RIP Phil!
Good "stuff" on the Crescent . . . .
Southern Serves the South!
C'mon Ruth, we've gotta get that <ahem> admin work squared away! Boris, do your thing!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's see, today we'll play "Nellie Dean, Head for the Roundhouse Nellie - The Engineer Can't Corner You There, and Barefoot Nellie." Boris does a real good spoons solo on the middle tune.
Gas is at $2.74 here today, temperature was 52 degrees this a.m.
Yankees lost, Sox win (late inning heroics), and the Cards are twitching a little (five games below .500 and in the wild card hunt.) BTW, for those who remember the Scooter, the NY Times website has an excellent slideshow about him.
DL - Glad you made it.
Pete visited
Dave stopped by, too.
Eric - As I said, "Generic B&O country."
The little electric - hmm - I see all kinds of kitbashing possibilities on that one, except that it probably costs a ton of $. The tunnel motor is nice - can't believe it's cleaner than the real ones. When the C&O side had SD50s, they'd be clean entering tunnels over here and look like D&RG units when they came out - Chessie paint was nice when it was clean, but if it got dirty...
Jan Olov - I see lots of billboard cars down at the M&S NG yard. Skyraider was an interesting label. I have several friends who served on the "Sara."
Well, since the gloves have been dropped, I'll jump in first. IMHO, most of the streamlined designs were not all that great and some, in fact, were terrible - NYC Mercury design and the NYC Commodore Vanderbilt are two that come to mind. As for most of the PRR (with the exception of the as-built T class,) I don't think they make the cut either. So I'll cast a vote for the New Haven I5 in terms of looks - remember that mechanical problems don't play a part here. Second place goes to the NYCs Hudsons which were streamlined for the 1938 Century.
OSP sent some Southern material. The SOU advertised in the National Geographic quite a bit. Much of their ad copy was devoted to industrial development (with a bit of moonlight and magnolias thrown in now and then). As for the "Crescent," it depends on which train you are talking about. Boris will have to carry the lantern again while we adjourn to the vault.
Here's some information about the Crescent as it was about 1930. I posted this awhile back, but why not?
This was an L&N/A&WP/SOU/PRR operation
Northbound
Lv. New Orleans 9:00 p.m. - L&N
Lv. Mobile 1:15 a.m. - L&N
Arr. Montgomery 6:25 a.m. - L&N
Arr. Atlanta 11:40 a.m. - A&WP
Arr. Spartanburg 5:30 p.m. - SOU
Arr. Charlotte 7:25 p.m. - SOU
Arr. Lynchburg 12:40 a.m. - SOU
Arr. Washington 5:20 a.m. - SOU
Arr. Baltimore 6:35 a.m. - PRR
Arr. W. Phila. 8:43 a.m. - PRR
Arr. No. Phila. 8:55 a.m. - PRR
Arr. New York 10:45 a.m. - PRR
Southbound
Lv. New York 8:40 p.m. - PRR
Lv. No. Phila 10:34 p.m. - PRR
Lv. W. Phila. 10:49 p.m. - PRR
Lv. Baltimore 12:57 a.m. - PRR
Lv. Washington 2:10 a.m. - SOU
Lv. Lynchburg 6:52 a.m. - SOU
Lv. Charlotte 12:01 p.m. - SOU
Lv. Spartanburg 1:50 p.m. - SOU
Lv Atlanta 6:05 p.m. - A&WP
Lv. Montgomery 11:30 p.m. - L&N
Lv. Mobile 4:22 a.m. - L&N
Arr. New Orleans 8:30 a.m. - L&N
Flag stops were at Bay St. Louis, Pass Christian, Gulfport, Edgewater Park, Biloxi, Ocean Springs, and Pascagoula "to take on passengers to or from Atlanta and points east."
"The Crescent Limited will carry northbound from Mobile, and southbound to Mobile, only passengers to and from destinations beyond Alabama; south of Montgomery will carry Montgomery passengers only from or to New Orleans and points west."
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Club Car: New Orleans - New York (Valet service, movable chairs, two sofas, four double seats, buffet, magazines, writing desk and accessories, shower bath.)
Dining Cars - All meals en route
10 sect/2 compt/1 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - New York
10 sect/2 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - New York (2 cars)
14 section sleeper: New Orleans - New York (at least one car)
10 sect/2 dr. room sleeper: New Orleans - Washington
2 dr. room/3 compartment/observation car: New Orleans - New York (women's lounge room, shower bath, maid and manicure service, sofa, movable chairs in the observation end, magazine, writing desk and accessories.)
No coaches.
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Wednesday's Witticism
Do not desire what you can't acquire.
Petrol dropped again, this time to $2.49 (rounded) - that's $2.48.9 for the arithmetic challenged! <grin>
Hot, hot, ‘n hotter! Record set ‘round here at 103 (F) as August continues to burn us alive in mid-continent USA. <ugh> Only good thing to say is that with each passing day, the FALL gets CLOSER!
Last request - HELP WANTED! Okay guys, this is the time to put up or . . . tomorrow I'm outta here after getting the morning ACKNOWLEDGMENTs out (maybe!). So, let's see if we can muster up some support - especially in the AFTERNOON ‘n EVENING!
CONTEST underway: It's that time again for an "Our" Place test of judgment! WHEN will we reach 100 Pages at the reborn Thread??? Shouldn't be all that difficult to measure, however, getting PARTICIPATION before I close it up is more of the challenge. All we need is the date (day/month) when you think we'll hit the century mark! CM3 Shane sez Monday, Aug 20th - Jan sez Saturday, Aug 25th - Pete says Thursday, Aug 30th - 'n Eric says Tuesday, Aug 21st - what's your pick???? CONTEST SUBMISSIONS END FRIDAY at NOON!!!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Lars (LoveDomes) at 7:46 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: A rather early AM visit from our Manager. Pleased to see that you've put us ahead of roof ‘n chimney repair! <grin> That's either dedication, or procrastination! Either way, great to have you "in."!
Nice supplement to the C&NR "stuff" - always like the book cover selections that you come up with.
We've probably gotten some guys on board who weren't exposed to the <star> "thing" back when these Forums used to "award" ‘em for the number of Posts made. 5-stars was the maximum. I've pretty much forgotten what the milestones were - but no matter. Amassing 7,000 plus Posts is nothing more than being active on the Forums. Some guys like to run up "the count" with absolute nonsense, whereas others put forth substantive matter. I'm hoping to remain in the latter category . . .
Your comment on those who "wing it" really brings to mind a few guys who used to do that regularly. It got to the point where I'd send ‘em Emails asking them to consider how they were embarrassing THEMSELVES. Didn't work. Fortunately, they're gone . . .
Thanx for the round, support ‘n covers!
CM3 Shane at 8:27 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: You're "in" with Aug 20th as your date! That's a Monday, by the by . . . Thanx for being the 1st to sign-up!
Temps here in the AM have been 75 at 6 - 6:30 AM when we take Juneau for his first walkathon through the wilds of the subdivision. Second walk occurs about 2 hours later, and by then it's in the mid-80s. By noon the walks are restricted to around the property in the SHADE of the trees. Too hot for dogs ‘n people. <ugh> Next big walk is in the evening - about 7:30 PM when the sun finally settles below our hills ‘n tree line. <phew>
Figured you'd pick up on those traction book covers provided by Lars! <grin>
I see my "talents' are being exploited once again! This time as "Relay Man" for Email destined to the coal fields of WVA! "Relay Man," Privacy Guardian for those who prefer to remain "anon" in the Ether. Friend to all who give a Rat's Patoot, ‘n Mentor to the likes of Boris ‘n Leon, our less fortunate souls who have found themselves completely at home in "Our" Place! Yeah, that's me - RELAY MAN! Bring ‘em on!! <grin>
Many thanx for the quarters, round, chat ‘n support!
Jan (JanOlov) at 8:45 AM ‘n 9:03 AM Tuesday - Aug 14th: With a string of beer labels like that, we'll reach Page 100 today! <grin>
Much appreciation for the gifts of brew for whoever wins! As mentioned, they are all stowed away up in the Manager's Bar in the Penthouse Suite!
Noted your "edit" ‘n fine addition of that Milwaukee Road streamlined steam loco! Is it a 4-4-2 Hiawatha?? That'll "work"! Also added your Contest entry! <grin>
Think you'll get an argument regarding "THE most beautiful steamlocomotive ever designed." I KNOW for a fact that Wolfman Pete ‘n Manager Lars have their "favorites" - so let's hear about ‘em!!
Pete (pwolfe) at 4:06 PM Tuesday - Aug 14th: Springfie
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I think the time is right for Rumpsteak Café de Paris! Tired of it? No way, try it yourself and you will understand why not! Fries, please.
After a night with just a few hours sleep, an extremely powerful and noisy thunderstorm woke me up at 2 AM, I feel kind of tired but I certainly would like to know what happened at "Our" Place today before I hit the sack.
Tom – Two weeks ahead being on the mend is fine! This whole thing, all of a sudden having a triple bypass operation and then being able to recover with hardly any problems or pain at all is like winning the lottery. They discovered the problem before anything happened to my heart. So my heart doesn’t have any damage and I feel great! Not that strong yet, but still great!Thank you for the C&NW info on those “400” trains! 400 miles in 400 minutes! That is not bad!The picture with the CSX freight? I don’t remember exactly where I took it, but it was somewhere between Harpers Ferry and Washington D.C. Sorry I can’t be more precise. But it was 14 years and a couple of weeks ago. Page 100? August 21! Southern Railway System! Interesting! Did their Crescent Sunset Limited have anything to do with SP’s Sunset Limited? Lars – Don’t worry, I am not pushing any limits the doc put up. The only real stupid thing I’ve done so far was when I tried to do some yard work last Sunday. I felt right away that was the wrong thing to do so I gave up after a few minutes. Some very interesting book covers! The diesel on the third one from the top looks exactly like a the model I have! I had hoped to be able to show that model in a picture tonight but the camera battery died before I could take one. So I’ll show it next week instead. CM3 – Slow and easy is what it is! The CSX pix was taken somewhere between Harpers Ferry and Washington D.C. I don’t remember exactly where though. JanOlov – Good grief, how many different kind of beers are there? The most beautiful steam locomotive designed? Wow, that was a tough one. I am afraid I can’t give that answer tonight. But I promise to think about for a day or two. Pete – Sorry, I had problems with the battery in my camera when i was taking my pictures so I was only able to get two pictures taken. Very nice picture of that Class A4! What year did you take it?The other picture is from the Netherlands. ACTS locomotive #6703 is pulling a Mercia Charters cahrter train in Holland. ACTS is normally only running freight trains. Could it be from July 7 this year?DL – Glad to hear you made it safely to Toronto! Hope you will have a good time! Dave – Good to see you again!! Tucson is not that far away! Old SP territory! Looking forward to see you soon again!
This is a (N-scale) Swedish Class Du2 electric (now retired). A type of locomotive I have operated many, many times, usually in multiple.
A SP SD40T-2. HO scale.
At this moment the camera battery died, so this is all for this time.
Eric
Good day lads, I have returned from the legion of the lost (yet again, seriously i've been TDY to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds and Tucson these past few weeks, what a total grind!) Enough of formalities, set up em on me, got all that per deim money burning a hole in my pocket!
Just wanted to wish natal returns to Pwolf and a substantial wet kiss from Boris in my behalf!!!
Good day to Barndad, Always refreshing to see a man of your talent and abilities around the bar! Capt Tom good to see you about and your usual involvement in the establishment...A special round for you sir!!!
Lars, Keep safe, and don't fall off that roof!!!! The tool/materials are ok to toss, but not oneself...
Well, obviously I feel lower then a snakes belly at my ignorance as to recent events and my inability to proivide a intelligent response to the fantastic postings since my last visit, I shall return as time permits...
Hi Tom and all in
enclosed with is this note is a crate of steam whsitle brewery beer for all to enjoy from the old roundhouse near Union station.
Arrived here in Toronto OK - my 1st web connection is a free one in a shop where I am with my other half! We are riding the TTC a lot - have booked the Ontario Northalnd trip so report back soon in order. Jet lag enabled an early start to the 1st day to see off The Canadian from Union station - 20 cars - 4 or 5 domes - Budd looking good in the steel! - This shop is just near a CPR east bound line so just seen some good freight action with triple heading! Good stuff. No time to read other posts but thought it good to say hello to all - hope business is good these last few days!
DL
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Mauldons please RUTH.
DOUG Great to see you in. Many Thanks for the wishes
ERIC Thanks for the DD1 drawing.
I shall look forward to your models tomorrow, if you are able to take the photos.
Is the CSX train in New England..
Is Lars paying for the $5 cup of coffee
JAN Real glad you are enjoying the banter at the bar, its what makes Our Place special to me.
Really liked the list of Mauldons alesoccasionally we would be able to get Mauldons in Rugby as one of the local pubs would have it as a guest ale. It was a good beer.
We will have to get Allan's opinion on the Mussel Inn beers. I had a look at their web site and found the one that would not appear in your post, it has a great description of the bitter.
Thanks for the photo of the Milwaukee Road 4-4-4 Streamliner.
A photo of a British streamliner ex LNER A4 60007 'Sir Nigel Gresley'
LARS Take care while you are on the roof today.
Fully agree with what you say about the bar.
Yes the Shopping expeditions are to be avoided if at all possible, that why I like Hermann MO when it is cooler, I can sit in the park between the Missouri River and the railway with the pooch and a book while the bride browses the antique shops.
Some good C&NW book covers, the official color photographs looks an interesting book.
CM3 I can't wait until it gets down to 54F in the morning here in Mid Mo.
Talking about elephants, a silly thought came in to my head; I wonder how they transported giraffes by rail in the old days of circus trains.
TOM Hammonds Field in Springfield MO is a modern and a really good stadium; as you say the minor league baseball do try to entertain the crowd between innings. There was some brilliant fielding with some great double plays, which considering the temperature on the field was at least 100F for most of the match, was very good. As you say most of the players seemed quite young.
For the competition I will say August 30th It is quite possible we will reach the 2,000th post around page 100.What does manager Lars think about giving up the Penthouse Suite for a weekend as the prize, Jans beers look well worth having.
Thanks for the Southern Railway ad, it good to see a freight ad, I guess most of the ads for freight were usually posted in trade magazines etc.
The Southern drumheads seem a lot plainer than a lot of the other roads.
The thing about the Southern steam locomotives I have seen in photos is, that the design of the tender seems to compliment the looks of the locomotive.
As to the bar tab, I have taken the attitude of ‘Drink today, pay tomorrow'
Can anyone guess the country this photo was taken in. Clue it is not Britain or Ireland
A pint of New Zealand bitter from Mussel Inn and a round please RUTH
Time for another Blast from the Past!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #50
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Southern Railway (SOU) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 200 of the Original Thread>
[Yeah, I know this is a FREIGHT ad - but what the heck!!]
. . . . . . THE SOUTH
Suits to a "T"
WHY has an average of one new factory a day located along the lines of the Southern Railway System during the past three years?
Because industries are discovering that the South served by the Southern is a "gold mine of opportunity"! With a wealth of natural resources and advantages, expanding consumer markets, skilled and willing workers . . . and a bright future . . . the South suits all industries - to a "T".
Look Ahead - Look South!" Earnest E. Norris, President.
SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM The Southern Serves the South
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Some drumheads of the Southern's passenger trains
Enjoy!
Tom
Sorry about that O' Enlighted One. August 25th for me please....
And to get back on to the topic for the evening.....
THE most beautiful steamlocomotive ever designed....
On the side, how many of Milwaukee Roads trestles and bridges still stand today?
Good to see CM3 Shane "in" today - and THANX for being the first to sign-up for the CONTEST!!
My, my - that's quite an impressive list of brew from Jan Olov. We'll store ‘em in the Manager's bar up in the Penthouse Suite for the winner to enjoy! Thanx!
Jan, you did everything but pick a date!!! <geesh>
CONTEST will CLOSE in a few days time. So let's get "in" on the action.
Now let's get to CLASSIC TRAINS - we've had all kinds of booze ‘n beer to dwell upon - but the idea ‘round here is TRAINS!
Just thought that I'd try another way to see if it worked.....but nooooooo! I think that I'll just go sliently and sit in this corner and sulk....
Maybe a bit of good ol' Rockabilly in my headphones will cheer me up......oh well.
In case you wonder what beer it was that messed it up, it's called Bitter ***.
I'll throw in a selection of beers from my private stash as well for the 1st prize winner to enjoy, that is if Master Tom doesn't mind.... These will be found in a suitable place in the above mentioned penthouse.
Sorry for the editing, but one of the beers was mocking me.....and it still is
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England 4 Seasons Blend); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $2.7.4 this a.m., and it was approx 54 degrees when I left the house this a.m. That's a little more like it for around here this time of year.
Eric - Glad to hear that your recovery is progressing. Slow and easy does it, chief. Nice shot of the CPL signal; they're vanishing fast - problem is that it's hard to tell where it was taken as it is "generic" B&O countryside in the best sense of the word.
Lars - Boston, Revere Beach and Lynn. IIRC, some of the MBTA Blue Line either parallels or is on old BRB&L ROW. Boston Trolleys in Color - PCC's Type5s and Buses, Ph My! Rode all of them over the years. Yes Boris, I have pictures - maybe we can bring some to the rendezvous. Also thanks for the CNW book covers. Roof stuff? Remember - one hand for you, one for the ship! We did all of that last year. Go, Giants!
Pete - Thanks for the additional 0-6-2T information. Elephants throwing baseballs? Maybe he could close in Boston given the way their latest hired gun performed in his past two appearances.
Barndad stopped in - "Hi and bye!" Hope all is going well with you.
OSP - All of these pictures and comments re Scotch reminds me of the great line from Mr. Roberts, "And a drop of iodine for smoky taste."
Thanks for the CNW information. The Es and Fs were in as-delivered paint. Incidentally, the "Flambeau" soldiered on for a long time and eventually became the "Flambeau 400."
Contest - Let's see, we'll go with August 20th. Usually all I win is the keys to the spreader for when we muck out Boris's dwelling.
DD1 - Eric sent along a side view. Boris and I put our cap lights on and went back into the PRR vault. The 1925 Locomotive Cyclopedia has detailed drawings, including a numbered cutaway of the DD1s innards - it was interesting to see how everything was quartered so that it would work correctly. I had not looked at some iof this stuff in a long time. Are you familiar with Fred Westing's book, Penn Station: It's Tunnels and Side Rodders? It was published by Superior in 1978. Most of the book is a reprint of a 1912 item about the construction of Penn Station. However, there are several sections on the DD1 toward the end of the volume. Many contemporary pictures. Pp. 144 and 145 reproduce the diagrams that appear in the Cyc. Underneath the diagram on p. 145 is a Westinghouse-produced shot of a "nekkid" DD1 that shows how everything was fitted together before the body was dropped onto the frame - talk about some castings. Then comes about 10 more pictures. Of interest to you would be a pair of "down on" shots ; one taken inbound at the Bergen tunnel portal and the other near Sunnyside. They show the as built arrangement of ventilators and other apparatus on the roof of the locomotive. Of course, some of this was changed (along with the headlight) on the DD1s in later years. It's amazing how much of this came back to me. If you can't lay hold of this stuff, I can copy and send it to you. Send your address offline to Tom and he will forward it on to me as he is the keeper of that sort of stuff at my request. Hope this helps.
CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST
We are approaching Page 100 on this reborn Thread of ours. So, it is time again to put forth a best-guess regarding WHEN we'll reach that marker!
So, let's PARTICIPATE in this event by providing us with the DATE (day-month) when Page 100 is reached.
That's IT!
Prize for the winner will be keys to the Penthouse Suite for any weekend in September! Also, free drinks 'n food for a week (your choice)!
Employees 'n staff ARE eligible to participate! <grin>
<In the event of a "tie," the winner will be the guy who made the 1st guesstimate!>
So, let's get 'er going!
Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a jolt if you please! My, my that is an intriguing outfit you're wearing today. C'mon over on this side of the bar, wudja?!?!? <blush> Oh well, can't blame a guy for asking!
So, looks like the crittAHs are lined up waiting for feeding time. Let's get with it, Boris, then you can have that small jar of PPF over there! <grin>
An early start for me, as there are some matters requiring my time ‘n attention! Gotta get up on the roof for some shingle repair then the chimney needs a look see, then . . .
For Da Boss: Many thanks for the compliments. Really don't deserve anything special for doing my job ‘round here. All kidding aside, I figure that this bar functions on the backs of those who not only show up regularly, but contribute in discussion, pix ‘n banter. Doing all three should "earn" one the right to be called a "regular." Don't have a bunch of guys in that category, but we do have a good "core"!!
The guy who makes this place "go" is YOU. No doubt, no question, and no debate on that one! I'm just one of the supporting characters who enjoys the atmosphere of this tavern by the tracks.
Will say this though, there's no way one can participate in what we do without reading what's been posted. Can't "wing it," can't "pretend," ‘n surely "can't" phony up to the bar. Nope! A guy is either genuine or he's gone as far as I'm concerned!
Really liked that nostalgia bit you put out on the C&NW! Two fine photos to go along with those drumheads ‘n of course the ad. Nicely done, mate!
By the way, CONGRATS on reaching 7,000 posts! That's quite an accomplishment for the forums.
For Pete: So the Bar Chandler has meandered back into town, huh?? And looking for a break!! I'll give ya a break - but that's another story! <grin> Anyway, you already are getting an employee discount when we ring up your tab! <Good Grief Charlie Brown>
A weekend away does wonders sometimes. I know we've been on the go so much lately that it's actually good not leaving the house. Of course the Sarge Mrs. has shopping withdrawals from time to time, so I'm always looking for a place to hide before she maps out her next venture to spend the fortunes of the Larsman Family! <ugh> Glad you enjoyed your time away!
For Eric: I'm with Da Boss - what's the hurry? I'm not kidding! There's a reason the docs put a time limit on "things" like healing. Hope you're not letting impatience override what needs to be done. Anyway, we can't afford to lose our night owl!
For Jan: Apparently no limit to the various, assorted ‘n different brands of Scotch whisky where you are. I'm a beer kinda guy, but a dram now ‘n then surely goes down well. Then again, I do prefer a "jolt" in my coffee! <grin>
For Ron: You too have rather expensive tastes with the Scotch! I'd say you've found a partner in Jan! Also, I hear that stuff is good for snake bite treatment too!
Don't have much lawn to take care of where we are. Could do it with an old fashioned push mower, but I power up the self-propelled Craftsman now ‘n then just to keep up appearances in the neighborhood! <grin> You ‘n Da Boss must have pretty good sized lots to require work horses like you've mentioned. No thanks! <grin>
Time for some book covers for the C&NW!
Ruth, appears that we've accumulated some <ahem> some admin work - ready???
Boris, disable the alarms, disengage the cameras ‘n pad lock the stairwell!! <geesh>
Got a break from the 100 degree (F) temps yesterday as the cloud cover provided some relief during the morning hours. <phew> Gonna be a scorcher for the remainder of the week, "they" say. Petrol was $2.51 (rounded) at "Collusion Corner." Not to revel in this, for with Labor Day coming up, watch the prices sky-rocket! <groan>
Repeated - HELP WANTED! Okay guys, this is the time to put up or . . . Thursday I'm outta here after getting the morning ACKNOWLEDGMENTs out (maybe!). So, let's see if we can muster up some support - especially in the AFTERNOON ‘n EVENING!
Pete (pwolfe) at 5:56 PM Monday - Aug 13th: The Wolfman returneth with a fine inclusive, informative ‘n interesting Post!
Good to know that minor league baseball is continuing on with the "traditional" elephant throwing out the baseball "thing"!! I recall watching the AAA Tidewater Tides in Norfollk, VA many decades ago, and there'd always be some nonsense going on before ‘n during the game to keep the fans distracted, or was that entertained?? <grin> Anyway, always enjoyed minor league ball . . . kids were "hungry" ‘n played hard.
Good observation regarding the ARR equipment. Yes, they keep the locos ‘n cars in outstanding material condition. A little pride goes a long way, eh We're really looking forward to our return to the 49th state ‘n another "go" aboard the Denali Star.
Round appreciated - BUT - how can you continue doing this when you're on bended knee with the Manager trying to get a reduction in bar costs??? <grin>
Doug (barndad) at 8:32 PM Monday - Aug 13th: A thoughtful visit ‘n round of greetings from the Barn Weevil! Even dropped some CASH on the bar!
Eric (EricX2000) at 1:44 AM today - Aug 14th: Two weeks ahead of schedule is fine for things like getting a house built, but is it for being on the "mend" Sure hope so!!
Because you ASKED! The CNW's most famous train, the Chicago-Twin Cities 400 was introduced in 1935 to compete with the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy's Zephyrs and the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas. This train was named because it traveled the 400 miles between the cities in 400 minutes. CNW was the first system to start a high-speed Chicago-Twin Cities schedule because it used refurbished instead of new equipment, but in 1939, modernized the 400 with new E3A diesel locomotive pairs and streamlined cars.CNW eventually renamed the first 400 to the Twin Cities 400 as the CNW stuck almost all of its passenger trains with the 400 moniker, including the Flambeau 400, Rochester 400, and the Kate Shelley 400. CNW ceased running the Twin Cities 400 in 1963, and all intercity passenger service on CNW ended with the formation of Amtrak in 1971. <from: wikipedia.com>
The CNW's most famous train, the Chicago-Twin Cities 400 was introduced in 1935 to compete with the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy's Zephyrs and the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas. This train was named because it traveled the 400 miles between the cities in 400 minutes. CNW was the first system to start a high-speed Chicago-Twin Cities schedule because it used refurbished instead of new equipment, but in 1939, modernized the 400 with new E3A diesel locomotive pairs and streamlined cars.CNW eventually renamed the first 400 to the Twin Cities 400 as the CNW stuck almost all of its passenger trains with the 400 moniker, including the Flambeau 400, Rochester 400, and the Kate Shelley 400. CNW ceased running the Twin Cities 400 in 1963, and all intercity passenger service on CNW ended with the formation of Amtrak in 1971.
CNW eventually renamed the first 400 to the Twin Cities 400 as the CNW stuck almost all of its passenger trains with the 400 moniker, including the Flambeau 400, Rochester 400, and the Kate Shelley 400. CNW ceased running the Twin Cities 400 in 1963, and all intercity passenger service on CNW ended with the formation of Amtrak in 1971.
That's CSX on the tracks - so we know it ISN'T Sweden!?!!? Where??<grin>
Appreciate the willingness to help out on Thursday!
Jan (JanOlov) at 3:23 AM today - Aug 14th: And yet ANOTHER dram for the boyz! They say Scotch is an "acquired" taste - at the rate we're going, we'll ALL be bought - lock, stock ‘n barrel - as the saying goes!
Good to see ya!
Tom and all. Well as I see it, you can't beat a good banter back and forth. It's all in good fun and it keeps a tired spirit in a good mood as well. Without that, BOY! would it boring..... A wee bit slapping around never hurt anyone.
Let me pour you a wee dram fellas....
To your health!
Hmm, sorry Leon, just a short stop so give me a cup of coffee and keep the change, please!
Another hot day in the desert, 113°, and we arelooking forward to more of that kind.
Tom – Good news about Nick! Hope everything will turn out to the best!!I’ll be here Thursday afternoon. I am starting my cardiac rehab on Wednesday but I am available Thursday. No plank walk for me, please! The doctor was very satisfied with what he saw today and I’ll most likely will go back to work in about two weeks! Wednesday (tomorrow) I’ll start my rehab. So everything is just fine. The doctor said I am about two weeks ahead of time!I am looking forward to see “The Heroes of Telemark” again next month!Thanks for the Chicago & NorthWestern encore! One of my favorite railroads! One of the first models I bought was one of a C&NW F7 A+B-units. I still have it. Why did some of their name trains have “400” included in their name?Thanks for the round!CM3 – The display shot is actually from outside ABB’s plant in Elmira Heights, NY. It was taken during the National Tour with the X2000 and they placed whatever they had in the plant on display with the X2000. To the left is a light rail from Baltimore (built by ABB) and the other units/locomotives were being rebuilt by them. Lars – As I said to Tom, I’ll be here Thursday, at daytime! I’ve been involved with those other forums for a long time. Sometimes not much of interest is going on and other times I get upset over different things and can’t keep quiet. You know how it is. Thanks for the book covers! Never heard of Boston Revere Beach & Lynn. Or maybe I did last year? As a matter of fct I think i did!JanOlov – Hope you got your right hand out of the keyboard! Ron – A quick look tonight and I found a pretty bad quality drawing. I am sure you have a better one, but I’ll keep looking for more and better info.
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=dd1.gif&sel=all&sz=sm&fr=Pete – I’ll try to take pictures of some of my models today, Tuesday, and show them tomorrow.Doug – Party? Where... where is the party??? It’s only 276 days to the Rendezvous!! Time flies!
Evening Tom and crew! Belated Happy birthday to Pete, and an on-time one to Allan, and a belated happy 28th anniversary! I'm working at OD tonight, so I have some extra cash for a few rounds if that's OK.
Thanks for the welcoming words the other day (week?) when I last posted, 'cuz yes .. I did see them!
For now, please excuse the hasty retreat. Ya'll post so many goodies that my break time is up! Well done as usual guys! Have fun at the party!
A round for all for the wishes, much appreciated, and to celebrate the 28th Anniversary of OUR Place please RUTH and a very to ALLAN.
JAN That sounds a great job you have.
I wonder if that ‘Frontier Shack' bar car was saved for preservation.
Many thanks for the dram. I have not read the book you shown I'm afraid.
There is a large collection of drumheads at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay Wisconsin, perhaps they would know if anyone still makes them.
LARS For my next birthday it will be 40 years to the day that British Railways ran the last standard gauge steam train the famous 15 Guinea special. I have read that they are going to do a repeat steam special on the day over the same route. Two of the locomotives used on the 1968 trip are under overall and are hoped to take part. One of the locomotives Britannia class 70013 ‘Oliver Cromwell' has not run on the main line since the end of BR steam. The loco was the last steam loco to receive an overall by BR at Crewe Works.
Many thanks for the Norwegian photos NYC diesels and the Boston book covers.
‘Thimble', how about an employee discount on my bar tab.
RON I really is annoying when you have done a post and then it disappears, have a Glenlivet on me
Thanks for the info on the snakes; I did not know about the baby snakes being worse, certainly best to be avoided.
Certainly I think there are a few more secrets to come out of WWII. There was a documentary, a while back about, about the aircraft and rockets the German's were working on that could reach America.
As Tom says we had the Titfield Thunderbolt on at the Emporium a while back. The star of the film, the locomotive LION, was steamed in the late 1970s, early 80s and I was fortunate to get a ride behind her on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway in Yorkshire. Yes it is hard to believe the movie is over 50 years old now, there is a great scene of the Great Western shed at Bristol at the end of the film.
Imagine the care one would have to take taking that bottle of whisky home.
ERIC It would be great to see photos of your models.
I got one your photo quizzes right.
The story of the Heavy Water plant is well known in Britain. Reading the link makes on realize just how brave the members of the Norwegian Resistance were, also from the photos how difficult a target it was to bomb. Those photos are very clear when enlarged thanks for sharing.
Yes the ex LMS class 5s are a good looking locos, they were popular with the crews as well. Introduced in 1934, a Sir William A Stanier design they were Britain's most numerous class of tender steam locomotives totaling 842 locos. They could be seen from Thurso in the very north of Scotland to Bournemouth on England's South Coast. The class lasted right to the end of BR steam, and they took part in the last BR steam train, as I mentioned in the post to Lars.
That is a good collection of motive power in today's photo.
Good to see you in this afternoon and I am very glad you visit to the Docs went well.
CM3 Love the title of the ‘snake' song.
I would never have guessed what that piece of equipment in Eric's photo was used for.
I see in the next issue of Trains Magazine there is going to be a fold-out photo of the UP heritage painted units.
I forgot to mention the L&NWR 0-6-2 Webb ‘Coal Tanks', introduced in 1882, they also worked on the lines in the South Wales coalfields deep into Great Western territory reached by the Central Wales Line, mentioned in a recent post from DL, as well as the joint GW/LNWR line through Hereford and the Welsh Marches. They lasted to the mid to late1950s and one of the class has been preserved in LNWR livery, although I don't think she is running at the moment.
TOM We had a great weekend. Despite the 100F temp we went to see the Springfield Cardinals baseball the heat was not too bad as we were in the shade and I enjoyed the match although the Cards lost 13-5. We got in time to see the start of the game but missed the elephant that wa
A better Monday than most! Thought we'd be hearing from the B'day Boy in New Zealand . . . perhaps tomorrow!
Jan (JanOlov) at 7:49 AM ‘n 7:56 AM ‘n 9:05 AM Monday - Aug 13th: Some on-line "back ‘n forth"!! Reminds me of the old days ‘round here when we'd get a couple of guys "on" at the same time. Was good for the "flow"!
CM3 Shane at 9:47 AM Monday - Aug 13th: <ouch> Song title "hurts"! <grin> We just happen to have THAT one on our jukebox - Herr Wurlitzter for you newer customers - just press T48!! Oh yeah, 5 plays for a quarter - coins are in our Coal Scuttle sitting just to the right . . .
Some fine elaborations provided, as always! Makes the Posting of this "stuff" worth the while when someone takes the time ‘n makes the effort to not only READ ‘em, but ENGAGE! That's what we hope for ‘round here, as Lars our Manager has been saying over ‘n over!
Much appreciation for the round, quarters ‘n visit!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:16 AM Monday - Aug 13th: I think if we were to bring back any of the recognition awards from past days <daze> at "Our" Place, the MVP (Most Valuable Patron) would most surely have you well into the running. Can't stress how helpful it's been to have you dependably showing up everyday. Not just cursory visits, but with chat, chatter ‘n "stuff" to keep things going. Nice job, Lars!
I too have come to the realization that what was is just that - WAS. We're in the here ‘n now - so let's maximize that aspect of what we do! CHEERS to the gang at "Our" Place, and for those who have found elsewhere to roam - RIP.
My guess is we'll be hearing from CM3 Shane on those traction book covers you provided! Thanx for keeping us on the Classic Trains theme - that IS what we're supposed to be all about ‘round here!
Noted you didn't have any <ahem> admin matters to attend to yesterday. Hmmmmmmm???? Is that because the Penthouse Suite was "active" on Sunday??? Oh yeah, the ceiling fan has a camera in it! <grin> Vito the Hit has opened a new business - VrU - Voyeurs ‘R Us! <uh oh>
Rounds appreciated!
Jan (JanOlov) at 12:12 PM Monday - Aug 13th: Slainte Mhor!
Eric (EricX2000) at 2:10 PM Monday - Aug 13th: An afternoon visit! Now THAT's cause for celebration. Ring the bell, Boris ‘n Ruth, let's have a round!
Ron (DD1) at 2:47 PM Monday - Aug 13th: The Great State of Mississippi is on board with our Southern Snake Charmer Connection! Your petrol is way higher than ours - odd, given that the Gulf if "right there." Never can figure this stuff, can we
I have a Toro Wheelhorse X something-or-other for our property. Used to have John Deere products for years. Really sorry I went to Toro, hardly the machine the Deere's are, in my not-so-humble opinion. However, I own it and it does the job.Now with the heat of the summer upon us, cutting about every other week is "it." I can handle that. But when the fall arrives and leaves begin dropping, off comes the mulcher blade, on goes the regular ‘n then it's bagging leaves for about 2 months straight of two or three times per week. <ugh>
Without getting into too much minutia, let me just say that hanging around this bar is just like frequenting one in real life. There are "things" that are done, and things that "aren't." So, when the Proprietor (that's Moi!) notices an "infraction," I break out the <tweeter>. Blowing into it emits a shrill sound, kinda like TWEEEEEEEEEET. Once heard, stand-by for the RULES INFRACTION announcement, followed by PUNISHMENT! That's about it. <uh oh>
Staying current with what's on the Pages keeps you up to snuff with the way things are done ‘round here, best advice I can give. Gotta read ‘n digest, otherwise it's a lost cause! <grin> Not really that much to remember - CLOSED on SUNDAYs - bartenders are listed at the bottom of the daily acknowledgments, and so on!
Oh yeah, wouldn't concern yourself over what's over ‘n done - you've redeemed yourself, Mate!
John Cleese is one of our favorites here at home - especially anything with a Monty Python connection. Also his work in A Fish Called Wanda - and - Fierce Creatures is simply outstanding stuff, fer sure, fer sure!
The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James was featured at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre back during the week of February 5th thru 11th, 2006!!
Catch y'all in the 'morrow!
Good day Tom and all present. drinks for everyone and a wee sip of of the following for me.
Glenlivet Single Malt Scotch 50 year old - Gordon MacPhail BottlingDistilled 1940. This whisky was distilled at The Glenlivet Distillery, Banffshire, in the Highlands of Scotland on the 3rd February, 1940. The whisky has matured in selected oak casks at the Distillery and more recently at the warehouses of Gordon and Macphail in Elgin. After spending over 50 years in cask it was bottled in the City and Royal Burgh of Elgin.Price: $2590.00.
I can't imagine a bottle of Scotch costing that much, but if I had one, I would start an IV with it.
For Allan Your're now getting neck and neck with me. Mine is not far off.
I spent yesterday drawing the plans for my model DD-1. I got the side detailed, but have to do more research on the top, front and rear views. BTW, can anyone lead me in the right direction to find DD-1 photos and especially dimensional data? I seem to have exhausted all my resources and not coming up with any new stuff.
I had to take the lawn tractor (Toro XL500) to the dealer for repair. He was surprised to see it, as he told me they are the more dependable ones around. He sees a lot of problems with John Deere, Troy Bilt and most of the others. He says Graveleys are the best (he sells them). He didn't have any Toros in for repair, but plenty of all the others, so I guess I made a good choice. I was able to pinpoint the problem, so maybe he will be able to get it back to me quickly, before the grass gets so tall, I'll have to bush-hog it.
Gasoline is $2.70 here in Ms for those who track prices.
Tom, I don't understand what "tweet" means and what violation I have committed. I guess I'll have to spank myself like John Cleese does in "Faulty Towers", one of the funniest programs and men around. DL might agree with me on this. I understand John Cleese has a ranch in Sonoma, Ca, not far from San Rafael where I moved from 20 years ago.
I'm also a big fan of English movies and English actors/actresses. Have been all my life. Does anyone remember the movie "The Titfield Thunderbolt"? It was about a group of villagers trying to save their railway that was to be shut down. Lots of tongue in cheek humor and good shots of a vintage steam engine that was dragged out of storage and put back in service to prove a point. This movie is over 50 years old.
Later gents, Ron
Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hello Ruth, haven't seen you for some time. This is a quickie, but I'll have a ham sandwich. Sugar Cured Ham!
Just stopped by to wish a Happy Birthday to Allan!!! He is down there on the other side and ahead of us. Have a real good one!!!
Spent the morning at the doc's office. Everything was fine and he thought I should be able to start working in two weeks! Not full time right away, but still!
I'll be back later, at my normal hours!
How about a Blast From The Past on this Monday
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #19
Here's another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Chicago & NorthWestern (C&NW)
<A form of this was Posted on Page 133 of the Original Thread>
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Headquarters: Chicago, IL Mileage:- 1950 - 9,693 1955 - 5,000 Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 744 Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 41.383 Passenger cars - 447
Principal lines in 1950: Chicago-Fremont & Omaha, NE Fremont-Lander, WY Nelson, IL-Madison, Il (St. Louis) Chicago-Minneapolis, MN via Madison & Wyeville, WI Milwaukee-Rapid City, SD via Wyeville, WI & Mankato, MN Eau Claire, WI-Duluth,MN Chicago-Milwaukee via Kenosha, WI Chicago-Milwaukee via Bain, WI Milwaukee-Green Bay via Fond du Lac, WI Green Bay-Ashland, WI via Rhinelander Green Bay-Ishpeming, MI Powers, MI-Hurley, WI Minneapolis & St. Paul-Omaha via Mankato Lake Crystal (Mankato)-Des Moines, IA
Passenger trains of note: Ashland Limited (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland) Dakota "400" (Chicago-Madison-Huron, SD) Duluth-Superior Limited (Chicago-Madison-Duluth) Flambeau "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland) Kate Shelly "400" (Chicago-Boone, IA) North Western Limited (Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis) Peninsula "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Ishpeming) Shoreland "400" (Chicago-Milwaukee-Green Bay) Twin Cities "400"(Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis) Valley "400" (Chicago-Green Bay-Menominee, MI) Of note: C&NW also was a forwarder for UP's streamliners and Domeliners (ie: City of Los Angeles, City of Portland) between Chicago & Omaha until Oct 1955.
C&NW A-B-A Es <foto credit: unknown>
C&NW A-B-A Fs <foto credit: unknown>
Some drumheads of the C&NW
I apologise in case that you find this post hard and slow to read, but my right hand is stuck in the keyboard, so I have to write this with my left hand.... and for those keys that I can't reach, there I have to use my nose.
I just found the MacDonald Models ad in Classic trains. It's funny how you miss things when you look for something .....
I see that that they're asking for $350 for drums and $350 and up for signs (looks like a period of water and bread for me, since I'd like on one the wall), any ideas what the difference is? I really hope that they jump onto to the www-limited soon.
And as our almighty Tom so promptly pointed out, just as I managed to forget it, it's Monday once again.
So I see it as my duty to try brighten this place up with a few nice drams around the bar....
Enjoy lads and slainte!
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