Good evening everyone , well survived another halloween onslaught of kids 'n' critter's. I think leon I'll go for that Guiness seeing as the keg seems well primed tonight.
Tom-Oh I'm deathly aware of the prices on the Canadain , I've already gagged we most likely will fly to Calgary and take the train from there , I know it's cheating but what the heck , we can get internal flights in Canada reasonably cheap from West Jet. Some interesting Erie stuff on this "erie" day.I ahve to say that I'd never in an expo game, my dad and I did make it to the Jays first match all those decades ago however. I have always said and will say that the old exhibition stadium was by and far the better of the ball parks , I just don't like the whole indoor thing when it comes to baseball.I didn't see your plaque at Keith's, they did have several nice stags and boars and such plaque mounted on the walls of the attached pub though.
Lars-Ah some wunnerfill Erie books. Good call on a theme day felt kinda like old times speacially with the 20 fingers repost from Pete ! I still prefer being at the ball game even with the sound down something seems lost in translation on the tube all though really and truly most sports are better in person.
Eric-Yup four 75's. there were a few hills to be climbed on the MS&C though, and they did pull trailers and express cars with these cars. The cars themselves are quite heavy 107 is close to 30 tons being 75 percent wooden in construction. They also were designed four 70 mile an hour runs.
Pete-Sounds like you got the bug a bit worse than me ( only slightly )but a dish rag is the best way one could say they feel with it.Thanks for digging out that Erie post from good ole Al, was nice to read that again.Great news to hear that there are more insatllments of photo's from Allan on the way.
Jan-great steam shots thanks for sharing
CM3-Another tour de farce ( I mean force )Nice to see siome use comming from that old tank. Hear I thought it was just going to be used by Hilga and Helga as a new sensory deprivation tank in their salon.
DD1-Nice to have another guiness lover in da bar with me. i thank you for the round. From what I understand there is no quartering on side rod electrics. My understanding is it was just a left over in designfrom companies that built steam running gear.
Rob
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G'day Gents!
A new month ‘n we're getting closer to the holiday season <fa-la-la-la-LA!> Time to begin thinking about the joys of shopping! <arrrrrggggghhhhh>
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I also wish to thank each of you who provided material for our Erie Railroad Theme on Halloween! A good offering from the guyz and most appreciated!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative)
Wednesday - 31 Oct 2007:
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 2:52 PM: We Won! We Won! Game #2 is a WINNAH - so let's see - ONE, TWO - that means the 3rd game . . . Excellent account ‘n we certainly are looking forward to the finale!
Seems that Artie <the owl> has fit right in with Awk <parrot> to form our flying brigade. Boris the driver!?!? Now that's a frightening thought - but he did look rather dashing in the outfit you described! <grin> Loaded darts?!?!? Nah, Vito the hit would never stoop that low . . . <hmmmmmm>
Many THANX for the Erie advertisement! A coach club car, now THAT says it all! Your participation in our rather hastily arranged "theme" helped to move things nicely down the line.
Quarters ‘n round appreciated!
Pete (pwolfe) at 3:40 PM: Bat Man has arrived! <grin>
Speaking of black <which Bat Man's outfit includes> I think that the shade looks just fine with steam locos, but ridiculous with diesels ‘n electrics. Wonder why that is Probably because when the "newer" power horses were introduced to the rails, color accompanied them and that's what we've all become accustomed to viewing. I mean every now ‘n then one might've seen a blue steam locomotive <B&O> or a green one <Southern>, but by ‘n large black was IT. Interesting slant on it, eh
You, the beer carrier?!?!? Yeah right - wonder how far you'll carry it BEFORE you decide to take a sample <uh oh> Don't be too hard on yourself with U.S. sports trivia - after all, how many of us would know the minutia behind UK sports teams At least you TRY!
Should you come up with the title of that "bat movie" lemme know ‘n I'll see if it can be found for viewing at The Emporium Theatre . . . sounds like something our crew would enjoy <over a few beers that is!>.
Frightening to see the Encore! return of "20 Fingers" - appropriate for Halloween! <grin> But a good choice to add something different to our Erie Railroad Theme! As one remembers, chock full o' facts!
And finally - only YOU remembered that Halloween is indeed the B'day for our cloven footed Cyclops, Boris! While we aren't really certain of his origin <either UTBs Ted or Nick does> his "legacy" has evolved here at "Our" Place ‘n we've pretty much accepted Oct 31st as HIS day! <grin> Nice going Pete! Better watch it, I think Boris wants to take you to his shed - he has something to "sh
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We are getting some fall weather here at last - 20's at night and 60s in the day.
Now let's go through the stack of stuff.
Pete - MBTA trains are all push-pull diesel-powered (F40s and GP40Ps), even though their service between Boston and Providence does run under the NEC wires. F40s haul bi-level coaches in and out of South Station. GP40PS handle single-level cars in and out of North Station. Take a look at my reply to OSPs question (below) and you'll find out some more.
Thanks for rerun on Erie sleepers. Their names were a lot easier to deal with than the ones on the Lackawanna (lol).
I would respectfully disagree with your comments re black diesels. The following schemes, IMHO, did very well. Nickel Plate, Rio Grande, New Haven, Western Maryland (especially), and Erie. Oh, almost forgot Norfolk and Western. Well, this oughta get soemthing started.
Jan - Thanks for Erie steam pictures.
Per - Huntington Avenue Grounds. Northeastern University occupies the site. BTW, it's not the only home plate to be in a college building - any guesses where the other one is?
Really appreciated the picture of the Ambroid slab-side NYS&W coal car. A lot of history behind that one in terms of the real thing.
Lars visited with book covers. I have most of them. Diamondbugs is an excellent piece of research - I really had to search for it when it came out, but was able to get a copy.
DD1 and Rob both visited - Good to hear from you! The quartering question is a good one - IIRC, there is something about that in Westing's book on Penn Station. I Know where that one is in the east wing, so I'll look through it and see what I can find out.
OSP sent along material on the Train of Tomorrow and a good question on Boston area connections.
There never was a direct rail link between South and North Stations. Passengers wishing to go from one to other either walked, cabbed, or used the subway. You probably rode from South Station to Park St, and changed there to a Lechmere (Via Subway) trolley, or a North Station trolley. Both of these ran underground and also on an elevated structure. And that's how you would get to the "Gahden." Fade in to Johnny Most (from high above courtside), "Big T, from Holy Cross, stops and pops (pause) it's in the air, it's goood!" He was an unabashed rooter for the Celtics and made even a routine foul on a Boston player sound like a mugging in the Combat Zone. I know we'd better stop here.
There is a physical connection between the B&M and the B&A, however. This is the so-called Grand Junction which originated at Beacon Park, crossed the Charles River and eventually terminated in East Boston. There was a B&A grain elevator and other piers, etc in East Boston. The track is at best suspect and it was always pretty scary to watch trains going along there. It is used presently to move cuts of MBTA and Amtrak cars and equipment from one side of town to the other. No scheduled trains use it. Yes, Boris, we do have pictures and I'll try and bring them to the rendezvous. I always liked the B&A bridge that crossed the river. It was right near the BU bridge and was (is) a deck girder with a fine-looking set of NYC logos on it and the company name as well. I do not know how it is painted as I have not been in that part of the city in a long time.
Appreciated your Erie material. Check out all of the attachments on the long hood end of Erie 1210.
Boris evolved? That throws the whole theory into question.
Speaking of Boris, he sure had a fine Halloween/Birthday party. I got word from our reporter that they found him with electrodes from the superhet connected to his ears, and a sign reading, "Good night sweet prince," draped around his neck. The reporter believes that he'll make it, even though he took a lot of voltage. I'm not sure whether the reporter was talking abt. Boris or himself - we'll probably find out more a little later.
Work safe
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH, a mugga Joe with a jolt for me - PPF for Boris after he feeds the crittAHs - a round for the house ‘n the change is for YOU!
First off I wanna THANK youse guyz for coming through on the Erie day (Halloween) - it turned out GREAT! Must mention those who made it happen: Cap'n Tom with that "loaded" Erie advertisement - Jan with those great looking steam locos ‘n narratives - Per with the model of the Erie-Susquehanna hopper car - Shane with the Erie ad - and Pete with the rerun of "20 fingers Al" Erie info . . . . all made for a fine day at the Watering Hole by the Wayside! 5- Salute to y'all!!
Didn't note any woIds for Da Bossman for a fine AM report with Halloween "stuff" then a great follow-up round of acknowledgments that included two pix from the Can-Am RR! Fine looking subway cars - do you realize it's been nearly TWO years! Anyway, nice work, Bossman - as always! Sorta jacks my jowls that guys hard work 'n efforts may be taken for granted . . .
Another entertaining "report" from the Dart's tournament by Shane 'n his Ace Reporter! One more to go B4 we "know," huh?? <grin> I think even Boris could figure this one out!
Noted visits by Dan - Ron ‘n Rob - Cheers, mates! Good to see ya in . . .
Time again boyz ‘n goils for the Larsman Mobile! What do we have on this fine day
EL Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment
Erie Lackawana Trackside
Erie Lackawana, Vol 5 - Merger Memories
Erie Lackawana in Color, Vol 6
Ruth, we've got some <ahem> admin matters to attend to on your break! {ooooooh>
Until the next time!
Lars
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Lars' bookmobile (filled with great E-L material) broke the line of sight from Mt. Mentor to the superhet, but he graciously agreed to move the mobile and we were able to get the final darts report.
Subway Series
Greetings From Our Studios High Atop Majestic Mount Mentor where we have cranked up the old coastal defense rangefinder to see what's going on five miles uptown from midtown downtown Mentor. From what we can tell the cleanup is well underway in the aftermath (make that conclusion) of the 2007 IMWWDT. Boris, did you know that Cat made scrapers THAT big?
When last we reported we mentioned that Our Place was up two with one to go. Even Boris, mathematically challenged as he is, agreed that odds were pretty much in favor of Our Place retaining the trophy. He didn't even have to unlace his brogans to count.
Transportation to the darting parlors was an issue, as always. Your reporter has access to a wide spectrum of vehicles and other ways to get around. The problem with most of them is lack of parts to keep them going. As an aside your reporter feels like his warranty ran out a long time ago. No Awk, not "scrapped."
Today we opted for the black and white Edsel as that had not been out on the road for awhile. Who better to drive this beast than Frostbite if only because his costume matched the paint scheme. Three boxes of Mentor and Southern Narrow Gauge timecards (they don't mean anything anyway) and Frostbite was barely able to see over the wheel. Awk was delegated to work the pedals, Boris loaded hampers, PPE, and extra ammunition and, in no time we were ready to head down the mountain to the darting venue. It was easy to find our way there because the Halloween punch bowl was still smoldering. Lead Kindly Light, indeed.
We were stopped along the way by the Greater Mentor Street Railway's wire train. It seems as though they were under contract to some guy in the heartland who was building a subway.
The foreman, Lector Motive, was a little reluctant to comment, when your reporter stopped to find out what was going on. He said, "That guy we were working for will never miss all of this wire." So your reporter asked his assistant, PCC Karr, what was afoot. All that Cat would say was, "We made a deal with the dart guys - you'll have to wait and see what happens." Just then one of the Mentor Street Ry's open cars passed by. Your reporter noticed a sign on the car which read "Barge Pier via Our Place." Passing strange, but we did not have time to investigate more because the start time for the match was drawing near.
The starting lineups were introduced with appropriate banter and greetings from the groundlings (and ground hogs) in the crowd. Your reporter noted that he had seen better looking lineups at the police station. But it was show time. The Second Class guys won the toss - the saw blade had some how gone missing this time and a freight car wheel was used instead.
Second Class was going for broke; probably because they would be if they lost given the amount of money that was changing hands in the back room at Our Place. Mo, Rock, Lance and Doug all did very well - maybe because Mt. Man Mike was standing behind them with a large piece loaded with buck and ball.
Our Place matched them throw for throw. It was tied at the end of regulation so we went to a throw down - no Boris, we don't need to practice the neck breaker today. By dint of furious exertion, Our Place managed to come out victorious by about a point or three, or tee for two, and tie a who, and, jeez what was in that cup?
We knew things were going to get bad when the Second Place guys and their backers phormed a phalanx (what's up with this Spell Chqier?) and charged the victors. As always, your reporter had a planned escapeway. However we couldn't find our driver which meant that much as we hated to do it, valor had to become the better part of discretion. Then we saw what was happening.
Frostbite opened the back door and then the door to the sub basement. Those of you who recall the last tournament remember that the ice machine for the MHL (Mentor Hockey League) resides in the sub basement. Your reporter could not believe his eyes when, from afar, he saw a complete subway station had also been built in the subbasement. The open car that he had seen before was waiting at the platform. As I watched, each Our Place team member showed a Mentor Street Railway pass to the attendant. They (and your reporter) boarded the car (trophy in hand). How did your reporter get aboard without a pass - simple, he jumped the gate, just like he used to do in the long ago.
The Second Place boys were stopped at the gate because they had no tokens for the car line. So your reporter and the Our Place guys made good their escape. We broke out into the daylight after a short underground ride and proceeded rapidly to the Mentor River (better known as Old Sludgy). A barge tow awaited and the Our Place folks jumped aboard and hid under the tarps on the barges. Lars yelled, "Gimme the trophy," as he disappeared under the tarp.
Just then the Edsel appeared with Tex at the wheel and Boris in the back, manning the water cooled Browning which he had remembered to pack. We were heading away from the dock as the barge tow pulled away at the same time the Second Place folks arrived. We made good our escape in the confusion. So another IMWWDT is consigned to the dustbin of history (excuse me), I meant to say, over.
We surely enjoyed the refreshments and the cigars that we purloined (comped, I mean) from Our Place while we were there. After all, in the interestes of scientific reportage, we had to make sure that they were fresh. Boris, there's a good fellow, pass me my fez and the controller. Let's see what's on. Oh here's a good one, "Professional Pumpkin Smashing." Good night all.
Greetings Tom and fellow gentlemen.......
Sorry, I can only stop by for a short while......
Barkeep...! Will you please keep the lads topped up with whatever they're having and cigars to go with it...there's plenty to eat in the kitchen that's hot.....
Here's some $$$$ to keep you all going until closing time.....
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer.....
I managed to lay my hands on these two subjects on ebay....yayyy!
Have a nice day/night and take care everybody.....
Hello everybody at the bar and a very happy November!
Ruth, since it is Thursday, I like a bowl of Pea Soup and some Swedish pancakes with lingonberry jam and whipped cream for desert. Yummy!
I see that my feeble attempt at base ball trivia was way too easy. I thought it might be, but that's all I have picked up. My daughter goes to Northeastern, so she pointed out the site to me last weekend. Pictures of Cy Young and what's left of the field will come later, my PC is still in pieces.
We did travel around a little bit while in Boston. The old Union Station (union of what?) in Northampton is now a restaurant, actually two: a Pasta place and a Steak House. We tried the steak house and it was pretty good. The tunnel under the station and tracks is converted to a bar, the "Tunnel Bar", what will they think of next.
On our way through New Hampshire I saw an old BAR box car used as advertisement for a storage place. But that's all train stuff I saw in NH and ME. The leaves were still nice, but they had come off in many places due to the wind, so I was told.
Tom, don't worry, I will not have the time right now to go back and sum up what happened while I was gone. I will try to keep up going forward instead.
Yes, only two months until Christmas, New Years and the Parade! I can do without the shopping experience, though.
When I saw your pictures of your subway cars I was reminded of an article in Model Railroader about modeling subways. They claimed it was a great variation of the MR hobby. If I remember correctly, it was in an April issue
They were pretty good in Boston after the game. The TV news only reported one overturned car and one motorcycle on fire. It wasn't like LA when the Lakers won a couple of years ago.
CM3, I like your articles from the Dart Tournament. Very nice! I hope your Renault was a bit bigger than a CV4 considering Boris rode on the roof! I would have liked to go with you in the Edsel, never been in one of those, heck, I have never seen one in real life, even.
I have no idea what the other school is that have an old ballpark on their grounds. Please tell.
What is the story behind that Erie car I posted? I don't know very much about the prototypes to these Ambroid cars. I have been able to pick up a few things here and there, but I have nothing on this car.
Great explanation of the North and South Stations in Boston. I didn't know there was a connection. I will have to look a bit closer next time. I did the T and Green Line as you described, only I came in on the Green Line from Northeastern. I dropped my wife off n the Silver Line to go to the airport. That's a trolley bus in a tunnel! It seems they have all modes of tunnel traffic in Boston! I didn't have any time this time to explore what could be left over from the EL days. I saw a note at the South Station, though, that the EL structure there was removed in 1939 to support the war effort. And now they are building something on top of the South Station???
Pete, I fight you for the beer carrier position! That's about the extent of what I can do in a sports trivia game also.
Since you quoted Al's post, I have to ask a question about that: Did Pullman decide the names of the sleepers? I see that EL had their 6-6-4 named American, the same as the 60 that went to UP. That made me wonder. We'll leave the typo for another day when Al returns.
DD1, Congratulations on your progress with the D engine. I am not one of the experts on driver quartering, but I would have guessed that the drivers were quartered. Let's wait for Eric to give the final word here. I am eagerly awaiting pictures of your engine.
I hope you get to go to Chile in the spring.
Lars, thanks for the EL books.
And just as I was going to post, Jan posted two eBay finds! That instruction manual looks interesting. I found something similar for an Rc on Tradera, the Swedish eBay.
Ya'll be good now!
Per
Good day Tom and all present. Drinks all around and Guinness for me and Rob.
Tom: That is a beautiful shot of the VIA diesel. I haven't been around any trains for a long time and never realized there were so many nice looking trains on the rails. The only engines I see down here are the garden variety GP's and SD's. I wouldn't be at all bothered to ride on a train that looks that good.
I retired 18 years ago, but had to go back to work (money). I finally retired officially 4 years ago. Money is still tight at the moment and that is the only reason I would even consider going back to work. It doesn't look like I will ever go back to work and relax, so I will have to make the best of retirement.
I checked about the passport renewal and the earliest "priority" service is 3-4 weeks at around $120.
Great looking subway cars, but shouldn't a model subway be underground?
Rob: Ever since I came back from Ireland (about 5 years ago), Guinness has been my beer of choice. Many years ago, I used to drink "Black and Tan", a mixture of Guinness stout and lager, but now it's Guinness draught. Have you tried Murphy's? Some like it over Guinness.
I'm getting some replies from other sources re: quartering and they all seem to say the drivers are quartered 90° for balancing purposes only.
Now Arriving on Track #1
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number Three
Caveat: Use of the images presented is made under the provisions of Public Domain. There is no intent to profit or otherwise benefit from the display of these images except for personal pleasure.
(1) RR Magazine - 1943 - Rails Across the Blue Ridge
(2) RR Magazine - 1954 - Adventurous Railroading
(3) RR Magazine - 1942 - A B&O Wood-Burner
(4) RR Magazine - 1952 - Through the Snow
(5) RR Magazine - 1952 - The Limited
Enjoy!
Tom
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#1 . . . Page 117
#2 . . . Page 123
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams for a great Erie day yesterday please RUTH.
RON Glad the model is coming along well.
I wonder how much as changed at the museum inTemuco in the 15 years since you were last there.
Indeed there is nothing like the taste of Guinness in Ireland
ROB I wonder if AL ever got the book he said he was writing published, it certainly would be a very detailed book.
Alan has sent the next lot of photos with some great pics. He said he will send the details of the German photos. On some photos it was when preserved steam locomotives took over normal freight workings on the main line, they followed one train by bus, Alan said it was just like going back to the 1960s on BR.
CM3 Many thanks for the info on the MBTA diesels. When I was up in Providence I was very green on North American locomotives next time I go there I shall be a lot better prepared, although I did know that those trains on the Green Line in Boston were something special. Will very much look forward to the photos from Boston at the rendezvous.
There is an interesting tale about after nationalization of the railways in Britain, the board was trying to decide a livery for the locomotives, nearly all steam then. A senior man from the locomotive side was given the colors and it was some ex LMS class 5s that were painted to show the new colors. The locomotives where assembled at Willesden roundhouse in London and there was light green, dark green, Caledonian a blue and maybe one or two colors I can't recall. Anyway while the board were inspecting the locomotives what should pass by but a newly overhauled Class 5 in LNWR Blackberry Black with maroon and straw lining (which was not on the list of colors to be shown) this loco impressed the board and the chairman. As they were leaving the roundhouse one of the board when up to locomotive man and said "You(he was a Crewe man)
A sweep for Our Place in the darts, great. One year I will have to stay sober to enjoy all the activities like the subway ride but there again the sight of AWK FROSTBITE and then TEX driving the Edsel would surely send me back on the drink again. Please give the reporter my thanks for the great coverage of the event.
LARS It was a great Erie day yesterday and thanks for your bookcovers on the Erie. It is really great that you were able to find 16 covers to share with us.
OK what have you done with the trophy
JAN Well done on E-Bay. That is a great painting on the cover of Steam Steel and Limiteds, but I could not read the writing under the title can you tell me what it says, I bet it is a great book.
PER I'm afraid I do not know about the names of the sleepers. I did wonder about the 6-6-4 when I read through the post.
I wonder if there were many names that were carried by locomotives that was the same but on different companies. I guess this happened a lot in the early days of the railroads.
TOM. It was great to talk to you today.
For some reason black was chosen for the early diesels and electrics on British Railways, maybe because the first main line diesel No 10000 which was turned out by the LMS just before nationalization in 1947 was in black. I think by the mid 1950s, the colour was Brunswick green which looked a lot better in my opinion. In the 1960s there was a demonstration diesel No D0260 Lion that was painted white, there cannot be many locomotives that were painted all white. Probably one of the oddest liveries for a steam loco was when a wallpaper company used a preserved ex LMS class 5 to demonstrate its product for TV ad, a flowered steam loco.
I have had no luck with that film title but I will keep looking.
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round for the crew of Tui`s please Leon! And another round please, WE WON, WE WON, WE WON! What a great darts contest, three ZIP!
Tom. I wonder if anyone`s noticed how "ERIE" it has been around these parts just lately? What with the all bats and pumpkin lamps around it sure has been very "ERIE" Great write up on the Train of Tommorow together with all the interesting info and pics , the ERIE RR post, and the RR magazine covers as well! Maybe one day you will get to make that trip down under Tom, you can bet you will be made very welcome down here, we could do that Tui brewery tour as well as all of the train delights here!
Lars. A fine selection of "ERIE" book covers and other pics, enjoying all your sports repartee on the matches you have been watching, did you see that performance by the fans when the Red Sox won?
Pete. Glad you enjoyed that LOR link, Dan came up with some other good links as well did`nt he? Enjoyed all of your posts and pics, that paddle tug was so familiar, it was one of the Tyne Commissoners fleet that covered all of the towing jobs, boy did they used to smoke under strain! Congrats on all the good darts throwing, except for that one in the keester though!
Eric. From what I remember of the Melbourne trams they had entries on both sides, I think this was to save having to turn them round at the termini. That trip over in 1980 was by air, we broke the flight and had a stopover to have a look around for a couple of days, wish we`d done the train trip now, but time was a bit tight on that vacation, would love to do the new Ghan rail trip now they have completed the line to Darwin, that would be one heck of a trip! Enjoyed all the info and pics on your posts.
Dan. Thanks for the St Pancras and LOR links, what a difference to St Pancras with all that glass cleaned up, back in it`s former glory, hope they do to Kings X too! Thanks for the e-mail reply.
Rob. Those trams at Invercargill were Birney cars that were built by Brill, all of them ended up as garden sheds or holiday homes, can`t find out if any were preserverd at all>
Jan. A nice selection of "ERIE" steam loco`s on your posts mate, to your usual high standard!
CM3. Great news of our third darts match, did`nt we do well? Enjoyed your very descriptive report of all the goings on, those 2nd Class saloon guys will try anything wo`nt they? No wonder Tom calls you our ACE reporter mate! Nice info on the "ERIE"
Ron. Nice to see you on board a couple of times.
Fergie. Nice decorations in your Mess, is it a joint effort by the whole crew?
Per. Nice to see you again, looks as if you got away from those fires OK. Arny has really impressed me as State Governer of your state, he looks as if he is doing a good job of supporting all the communities.
See ya, Allan
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Yes, Leon, I know I am early. I would like to have my steak and bisquits with curly fries tonight. A round for the house!
Missed last night because of Halloween and some other things. Went to see my heart doctor today. Everything was okay.
Tom – Is the Train of Tomorrow preserved? I checked and found that UP still has at least some of the cars. I don't know about the locomotive though.Where is the schedule for the Mentor Villages Visiting Nurses ‘n Go-Go Dancers Associations? I checked but couldn’t find it. Erie Railroad! Was a pretty small railroad but very interesting! Their drumheads were kind of “simple”. Nice picture of the Erie GP-7!Railroad Magazines from the 50’s! It would be very interesting to read them. Lars – Three ninety eight? I think I’ll keep them! A number of interesting books, all about Erie! Diamondbugs, who built those motor cars? Erie Lackawanna Trackside, looks interesting too! Quite a few books about Erie!DL – Thanks for the link to the St. Pancras pictures! Interesting station! I guess St. Pancras is where one can catch the Eurostar trains? JanOlov – Interesting article on Erie. So the “Berkshires” changed Erie?! Certainly very impressive locomotives!You found some good and interesting books on ebay! I have been buying some books there too. Per – Sorry, but I have no clue where that home plate is hiding/located. I agree, black electrics is a no-no. I don’t like it at all. Nice model car! Very nice. CM3 – Thanks for the 2nd day/match report! It explains a lot of the little I can remember. And after reading the report from the third match I know why I have been feeling like I am catching a cold for a few days. It was kind of cold sitting on that open car all the way from the basement of Our Place to Old Sludgy! Thank you for those excellent reports!! It is amazing how much happened the last few days of last week!Pete – No, black is not a good color for any locomotives. I know, steam locomotives are black and that is okay. But electrics? No! Good idea to post Al’s old Erie post again! So Boris told you something that will give you a pay rise? Probably something about admin work!Nice pictures from San Francisco! That device? I don’t know, but I would guess it was used to power a crane of some kind. Maybe on board a ship.Ron – Good to see you again! Hope everything goes well for your son to pick up his truck!
I am looking forward to see some pictures of your model! The answer to your question about the (Swedish) side rod electrics is “Yes”! The drivers are quartered as on steamers. Be careful with your back! Rob – How long was 107? 75% wood and 30 tons means it was a good size car. Allan – I am sure you are correct about the Melbourne trams. Doors on both sides was standard for many years on the streetcars in Stockholm, Sweden, for the very same reason you mentioned.
Finally a Quiz. What kind of locomotive is this engineer operating?
Eric
The first Friday of the month has arrived! Begin the celebration of week's end by ordering a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from Our Menu Board - ‘n while you're waiting, draw a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee along with a pastry or three from The Mentor Village Bakery case!
It's been a glorious week here in mid-continent USA with simply beautiful days ‘n evenings. Leaves have turned ‘n the colors are brilliant. Probably only another week left before brown sets in - but right now it's just a pleasure being outdoors. Love it, love it, love it!
Finished the aeration of the south forty yesterday - had to first pick up a ton of leaves that seemingly never stop falling - then the bride dumped 100 pounds of grass seed on our less than acceptable patch of green <lawn> so we're ready for whatever is to come!
Did I tell y'all that I love this time of year
The first "Above ‘n Beyond Award" goes to Pete (pwolfe) <aka: Bat Man - Wolfman - Bar Chandler> for maintaining his place at the bar in spite of flu-like symptoms for the past several days. The guy stuck with us ‘n didn't let things like flying bats in the house, neighbors dog in the house, the chills, aches in the joints ‘n general malaise stop him for keeping things going at the bar!
For all you do - YOUR BAR TAB HAS BEEN FORGIVEN!
Thursday - 01 Nov 2007:
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:06 AM & 12:54 PM: It's now Oh-Fish-UL - "Our" Place retains the IMWDDT trophy for the 2nd consecutive year as a result of beating The Second Class Saloon in our Annual Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match! Congratulations to the WINNAHS - open bar ‘n galley on Saturday nite for the teams ‘n their babes ‘n ladies <hopefully the two will never meet!> <uh oh>
A special recognition to our Ace Reporter for another year of literary genius - most worthy of a Pulitzer, fer sure, fer sure. But Throckmorton Pulitzer <owner of the now defunct Tucker & De Lorean Automotive Dealerships> has passed on to the junk yard in the sky, leaving behind only a fond memory of better times. <alas>
Thank you, CM3 Shane (coalminer3) for this year's series of entertaining reports! Five- Salute to our WVA Connection!
Much appreciation for the insights regarding North ‘n South Stations in Beantown. Jogged my memory - or in other words, released those long term images from many decades past.
Johnny Most! I used to listen to him for years ‘n years ‘n years. The guy was <and is> simply LEGEND in the sports broadcasting world. He's gone, but that voice - the excitement - all of it - still LIVES!
Cousy was The Man way before the term became popular! And I can still hear - Havilcek stole the ball . . . Game #7, ECF (1965) . . . Was it REALLY that long ago!?!?!
Thanx for the round ‘n quarters!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:16 AM: You "done good" Manager Lars in calling for the Erie Day at the bar! I think the turnout was splendiferous ‘n those that contributed did so in the spirit of the day! Well done, Mate! 5- to our Manager!
Yeah, we have ALWAYS had one or three who somehow never quite got to the point of recognizing the efforts others put forth to keep this joint moving along with Classic Trains material. Just the way it IS - so best not to get your knickers in a KNOT over it!
Ruth my deAH, it's time for a mugga Joe with a jolt, a round for the house, treats for the crittAHs, small jar of PPF for Boris - and - the change is YOURS!
WHAT IS THIS!?!?!?! Our Bar Chandler has had his bar tab FORGIVEN!?!?!?!? Good Grief Charlie Brown, what next?!?!?!? Free beer for the guy who let his wife catch the bat!?!?!?!?!? <quadruple geesh>
Well <begrudgingly> I suppose some sort of well wishes go out to the Wolfman for being such a steady hand with the posts around here, in spite of some flu ‘n other oddities that seem to strike him. Hmmmmm, don't suppose whatever is "biting" you is coming out of that bag you are so attached to, huh <uh oh>
Congratulations on being the first to receive Cap'n Tom's ABOVE ‘n BEYOND AWARD!
Now to the comments for the day from me:
Eric, Eric, Eric - it's a "buck three ninety eight!" <quadruple geesh> NOT $3.98!! <groan>
What kind of a loco If you mean steam, electric or diesel - I'll say electric.
Those Erie Diamondbugs were built by the McKeen Motor Car Company between 1906 ‘n 1922. Check out this link for some great "stuff" on ‘em.
http://wnyrails.org/railroads/erie/erie_sal_mckeen.htm
Shane - a great conclusion to a most entertaining series of captivating nonsense! 5- Salute to our Coalminer Friend!
Pete - Da Bossman adequately explained the whereabouts of the trophy. So exactly what is it you are trying to start <hmmmmmmmm> Always lurking in the shadows trying to stir the pot. Watch it Batman, OR we'll unleash those mini-fanged creatures in your direction! <ahhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa>
Those tugboat shots almost make it out to be toy-like. Have a few thoughts on that contraption in your photo spate - but will hold off ‘til I see if anyone else "bites."
Allan - When the final WS game ended, I clicked the TV off . . . but since they were in Colorado, I didn't expect to see much of anything other than the typical celebratory stuff. Saw on the news a bit of a problem up in Boston, but that's just the times we live in. I feel we should shoot ‘em on the spot - but of course that ain't gonna happen. So in absence of my kinda law ‘n order, we just have to live with it. <groan> <grin>
Cap'n Tom - Enjoyed the nickel's worth of those great magazine covers! Always a pleasure to gaze at ‘em - wouldn't mind finding some to browse through. One day I'm just gonna have to get off my dead stern section ‘n begin looking around for a RR library, like you have out your way. Surely there's one in this town . . .
I see the Larsman Mobile has pulled up with these offerings!
Best of 1989 (DVD)
The ARA Standard Box Car of 1932
Taconite Haulers on Minnesota's Mesabi Iron Range
Street Running (DVD)
Scenes Along the Rails, Vol 1 - The Anthracite Region of Pennsylvania, Part 1
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please (New England Breakfast Blend) round for the house and $ for the juke box. Gas went up to $3.15 yesterday, let's see that's a 26-cent increase in less than a week.
Jan - You did good; Steam, Steel and Limiteds is truly a keeper. I bought mine loooong ago and the covers are almost off of it. The neat part about instruction books is that they have a lot of railroad-specific information in them. One of my favorites is a list I have from the PRR that is titled "Interline Passenger Cars That Can Be Operated at Speeds in Excess of 100 Miles Per Hour." It is a supplement to the NY Division ETT.
DD1 - PRR, black? They called it, of course, Brunswick Green; the formula was about 99.5 percent black with .5 percent green. Anyway, you doubtless remember how dark it looked. However, in certain lights it looked green. It got greener as it faded. I did an HO EMD SW in faded green based on a photograph I had -people didn't believe it, but there was the evidence.
Pete - Crewe man, indeed.
Allan - Thanks for the kind words.
Eric - The Erie has more than a few dedicated followers. I got interested in it years ago.
A couple of Erie anecdotes for y'all at the bar.
One of you raised a question about the "Diamondbugs." My father-in-law spent some of his formative years along the Erie near the bustling metropolis of Eden, NY. The motorcars carried the mail on that part of the Erie. Generally they did o.k., but every so often they'd get tired and die on Dayton Hill. A steam engine would be pressed into service to drag the car up the hill. He recalled the steam engines were "much better" than the motorcar.
Second, Erie was noted for its ability to handle high and wide loads. This was because it was originally built as a broad gauge line. The clearances remained after everything became standard gauge. Thus the ability for them to carry monstrous loads. John Long, the Erie's photographer took some pictures of a lot of this. I have not bothered to do a search, but I'll bet some of his stuff is on the net somewhere.
Several Erie-related books you might enjoy include.
Charles Francis Adams - Chapters of Erie. An old one but a book that gives the reader contemporary insight into some of the Erie's financial excesses. You thought the Mentor Bank and Trust was bad? Hoo boy!
Edward Hungerford - Men of Erie. Immediate postwar account.
John G. Steele - The Scarlet Woman of Wall Street -Similar to Adams but more up-to-date.
Maury Klein - Jay Gould - Essential book on Gould.
Alvin Staufer - Erie Power - THE book on the subject.
That ought to keep Santa busy for awhile as some of these are o/p.
Now for the answer to the home plate quiz. The plate from Forbes Field is in one of the buildings at the University of Pittsburgh that was built on the site of the ball yard. IIRC, there is a segment of the LF wall from Forbes in another building. This is, of course, where Mazeroski hit the World Series winning HR in 1960. I remember seeing all of this stuff when having to be at Pitt for meetings, conferences, classes, etc.
Incidentally, back long ago, the Bureau of Mine HQ was at 4800 Forbes Ave. They had a rail siding behind the building where they used to keep Mine Rescue cars - talk about useful information!
Per - Northampton, MA - probably B&M and CV. The ORG I need is back at the house. I remember seeing an article somewhere abt. The NYS&W coal cars. I'll start looking for that one.
Lars was by with observations, comments and more media material. Street Running is a good program. The segments on the old NKP trackage in Erie are useful because that is all gone now. 1912 box car book? Hmmm - we must look into this. Thnaks for posting that one.
Taconite? Let' s see - Boris, the lantern please. ah, here it is. This volume is truly for the Captians of Industry at the bar (you know who you are).
E.W. Davis. Pioneering with Taconite. This was published in 1964 by the Minnesota Historical Society. Davis was there and this first-hand story reads quite well. The book has a wealth of diagrams and some excellent picture sof vintage equipment, lake boats, and machinery. Boris says you may be able to interlibrary loan it through your local library. It's a good 'un that not too many people know about. He's does well for someone who barely knows his letters.
OSP sent RR Magazine covers. The B&O one? We know better; it was a cover from a Mentor and Southern Narrow Gauge annual Report - I'd know it anywhere. Glad you enjoyed the Johnny Most stuff - he smoked like a chimney and his voice reflected that as you remember.
Good day Tom. Beverages of choice all around.
Pete: My guess is it was used to haul boats up a ramp out of the water. Great pics at the SF maritime museum I lived in SF for 38 years and don't recall seeing that machine. A great city by the way, but too expensive to live in.
The museum at Temuco didn't exist 15 years ago, so this will be my first visit.
Tom: The problem with black is it always looks dirty, as do other colors when dirty. I don't think RR's these days spend much money to clean their equipment before it goes out on the line, except maybe for the premier passenger trains.
Thanks for the passport links. I checked and it will cost well over $200 for 3-5 day turn-a-round service.
Per: I hate to travel. I don't like air travel, hustling around with baggage, connections, etc, but I am looking forward to the Chile trip. If and when I go, it will be for a minimum of 30 days, so I can take it easy and enjoy at my own pace. No Cook's tours for me. Been there and done that.
CM3: Interesting facts about the Erie RR and wide loads.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom 'n fellow travelers at the bar!
Just a quickie to let you know that I probably will not be around this weekend. Got a house full of relatives coming in . . . Things are rather uncertain for next week too.
Sorry I messed up my morning post - I edited it! Guess that's what comes of being in a hurry, huh Of course it is! I shudda known bettAH!
Ruth my deAH - set 'em up with a round 'n I'm in the mood for a double hit of JD on the rocks! Then, I'm outta here . . .
Can always count on Shane to pick up on the details of those book covAHs! Makes it worth the while to know they are appreciated.
Honest-***, I KNEW the Forbes Field answer! Really did . . . had read it somewhere 'n nevAH forgot it. Also some outstanding info provided to Eric on the Erie!!
Ron - We used on of those "instant" passport renewal services some years ago 'n it worked for us. Sure it costs - guess that's the choice one makes when weighing whether you want to make the trip or not. We did - so we paid the price.
Lemme leave these with ya, then I really gotta skedaddle . . . heading ovAH to Newark to pick up the first batch . . . <ugh>
Canadian Pacific in Color, Vol 1 - Eastern Lines
Canadian National Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment, Vol 1
Canadian National Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment, Vol 2
BC Rail Collection (DVD)
Minnesota - Ontario Iron Ore Railroads
Good day again Tom and fellow members of Our Place. Are your glasses empty? If so, have another on me.
The following came off the Internet Movie Database (IMDb). I don't know how to access it, but it sounds like something worthwhile persuing
The Great Story of The Canadian Railway, 29 September 2006
Author: blamar from Victoria, BC
I do not know why this show is not for sale. As a student of Canadian History, this is one of the better tellings of how Canada came together as a country. It shows with all their foibles, issues, and faults the fathers of confederation and the compromises made to unite the country. It illustrates the hardships of the surveyors and the navies who charted out and built the rail-lines. Finally it relates what the purpose of the railroad was to move people and products joining the west to the east and supporting Canada's development of the west. No car chases, hardly anything blows up, just a good story about people on an epic scale.
Hello everybody at the bar!
Ruth, since Tom promised a fully stocked kitchen, I'd like some veal in dill sauce today. A glass of pale ale will do well with that, I think.
Since my PC is about to clone itself into two, I'm still writing from work. No pictures and short posts. I will help hosting an MR event at our club this weekend, so after this post, I'll be off the ether until Monday. The clubs in the Texas - Oklahoma - Arkansas - Louisiana area get together for an Operating event every year. Our club is one of the hosts this weekend.
Tom, You have made me so interested in that old Railroad Magazine that I bought a couple of them on eBay yesterday, I just need to pay for them now, then they should give me some fun reading, I hope, in a week, or so.
Don't worry too much about building the subway on your Can-Am layout. Just put a "T" sign on one of your buildings, and it's done! That's what I plan to do on the club layout before I leave Dallas
Email is on the way.
I'll keep those passport links handy, if I ever get a use for them. Grrr!
Ron, Yes, "Black and Tan" is one of my favorites as well. I had an Irish one last Sunday in Boston. I had a feeling the drivers were quartered on the electrics, I'm glad Eric could confirm that.
Ah, you see, I love to travel. It's not as relaxing as it used to be, but I still look forward to every trip I make. It's nothing like the old days when my employer paid for Business Class and the airline upgraded across the Atlantic. Now that was travel! But it is still a great experience every time a plane takes off with me inside it.
Pete, The Green Line in Boston seems to get more and more new cars but there are still some of the older cars left. One of the stations (west of Downtown - that's as much as I remember) has a couple of museum cars on a track for display. The new cars are really noisy. They got me to think about the design of the new Coast Guard cutters we read about here last month. The cutters were designed by new CAD designer who knew nothing about ships; and I wonder if these cars are designed by kids knowing nothing about trains.
Don't feel bad about the Pullman naming; I just throw out the question hoping that someone around the bar would know the answer. On the other hand, I don't know anything about locomotive naming, but I can guess that there ought to have been many duplicate names across the nation.
A flowered steam loco! That's almost as crazy as the "Flying Pig" loco!
I think the "device" is a (semi-) stationary steam engine used in a logging camp. They have a name but I don't remember it at the moment.
I saw you got a good explanation of the history of "Hercules" by Tom. That doesn't explain, though, why it has Newcastle on the stern. But you are right; I would not have liked to be on it across the Atlantic. When I saw the first picture of it, I immediately got to think of the proverbial children's comic book tug boat.
Al, I agree with you about the Melbourne trams. They had doors on both sides and they just pulled a tarp down and put a wooden bar across the opening on the "wrong" side. The cars weren't turned at the terminating points I rode to, so they needed both doors.
Like most politicians, the "Governator" is both liked and disliked. My daughter calls him a "RINO" (Republican In Name Only) but I think overall he's doing a decent job.
Eric, I think some, if not all, of the "Train of Tomorrow" cars are still kept somewhere. I think I saw a picture of the observation car somewhere in a pretty bad condition. The engines were used as regular E6 (or 7) for a while but my guess is that those are gone by now.
My guess is that the engine is an AEM. I was going to guess an RC, but the number (924) that's scribbled on the sheet in front of the engineer doesn't match any Rc numbers. And I don't think SJ engineers have a badge like that on their shirts; to me that's typical American.
There are many more pictures of model cars like that on my web site. Take a look sometimes.
What on earth prompted the idea to paint the locomotives black in Sweden? That's how I understood your note a little while back. They were all brown (in modern days - the early where grey), because that would harmonize with the nature. The orange wasn't bad at all, and I even got used to the blue, but black?
Lars, stumbled on the keyboard, eh? I liked your book covers, especially the "Scenes Along the Rails"; that's a scene worth modeling. And that beaver on the Canadian Pacific logo; it's a classic!
CM3, Yes, it was a B&<something> in Northampton. There is a railroad bridge across one of the main streets, and it was clearly painted on that bridge. I have not had time to get my pictures out of the camera, so I don't remember if it was an "A" or am "M", but I'll get there eventually.
Ya'll be good now and have a great weekend!
Patron's Pix - Number One
Explanation: This series features fotos from the guys who have entertained us over years on the Original Thread and here at the Reborn "Our" Place . . . As long as these fotos "live" in the Ether, why not have ‘em redone right here Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown. The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Many fotos have disappeared from view from deliberate or inadvertent or inadvertent removal, expiration of storage on "host photo sites" or reasons unknown.
The first Customer fotos appeared on Page 17 of the Original Thread.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 24 May 2005, Page 17 of the Original Thread:
#1 Brantford's Via station a nice classic GT station built round about 1912 and still heavily used today by Via
Brantford's Via station a nice classic GT station built round about 1912 and still heavily used today by Via
#2 A small Whitt #2894 entering the east loop at our museum this shot is circa 1991 so a few years before I joined, however this is a car that I do love to operate. Hope we see some pictures and not just the red "x" of death.
A small Whitt #2894 entering the east loop at our museum this shot is circa 1991 so a few years before I joined, however this is a car that I do love to operate. Hope we see some pictures and not just the red "x" of death.
#3 This is former Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo NW2 #51 Owned now by shortline Ontario Southland serving several CN and CP spurs in Ontario. This shot is in St Thomas Ontario at the Elgin county rail museum. This loco is assigned to an ex CN spur in St Thomas and still runs on it's original prime mover.
This is former Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo NW2 #51 Owned now by shortline Ontario Southland serving several CN and CP spurs in Ontario. This shot is in St Thomas Ontario at the Elgin county rail museum. This loco is assigned to an ex CN spur in St Thomas and still runs on it's original prime mover.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 25 May 2005, Page 17 of the Original Thread:
#4 I'm posting a shot of 2766,4500 and our museums open car 327. This is on the corner of Queen & Bay for the 85th birthday parade of the TTC we lent them 327 for the day and she lead the parade of classic streetcars CLRV"S ,ALRV's and buses.
I'm posting a shot of 2766,4500 and our museums open car 327. This is on the corner of Queen & Bay for the 85th birthday parade of the TTC we lent them 327 for the day and she lead the parade of classic streetcars CLRV"S ,ALRV's and buses.
#5 Passenger Al Here's another museum Whitt shot for you.
Passenger Al Here's another museum Whitt shot for you.
Posted by trolleyboy Rob on 27 May 2005, Page 18 of the Original Thread:
#6 here's a shot of the Weston Road Niles car the museum had. Sorry the photo's black and white I think from the late Forties. The cars were retired in 48.
here's a shot of the Weston Road Niles car the museum had. Sorry the photo's black and white I think from the late Forties. The cars were retired in 48.
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An unexpected first recipient of the Above n Beyond Award a big honor AND my rather large Bar Tab forgiven many thanks, so a round for all please RUTH.
ALLAN WE done really well in the darts partner.
Glad you enjoyed the photo of the paddle tug, it is great that after a hard life on the Tyne she is enjoying a retirement in sunny California. If I can get back to San Francisco I will make sure I have enough time to go on board the vessels in that museum.
The more I think of it the more I wish I had been able to visit Newcastle in the 1950s.
I just missed the British Railways run ferry between New Holland and Hull, which I believed was run by paddle steamers.
ERIC Real glad the Doc has given you the OK.
I think there are some of those Railroad Magazines in the library we are due to visit at the Rendezvous.
Glad you enjoyed AL's post I encored.
Admin work, secret meeting places, security codes for the camera, yes Boris told me a lot of good things.
Is the locomotive in the photo an Amtrak AEM-7AC.
LARS Many thanks for the congrats
That is a great link to the McKeen Railcar; it is a very distinctive design with the circular windows.
An like me stirring the pot, surely that can't be right.
Great bookcovers from the Larsman Mobile today, that street running DVD would be very interesting, it as all but gone in the UK with freight traffic but most nights it happens here in Jeff City with the train serving local factories along Industrial Drive here.
I will try to make sure the bar is well stocked and the mascots well cared for during your absence.Thoughts with you.
CM3 That was a remarkable paint that was used on the freight PRR GG1s as you say in some light it looks black and other times greener in some photos I have seen.
Many thanks for the Erie anecdotes and info on the books.
I guess on the Mentor and Southern Narrow Gauge Annual Report cover the loco crew have sold the wood in the tender to a local farmer.
RON I very much enjoyed the short time I had in San Francisco, I would indeed like to go back to spend a lot longer there.
That's sounds a good explanation of the machine there, I did not see a board with any information about it.
I have some of San Francisco's Cable Cars later.
PER Hope you have a great time at the MR event this weekend, I am sure it will be a great success.
I don't think I have seen a photo of the new cars they are using on the Green line in Boston yet. It is a shame about the new cars being really noisy. I wonder why the railroad accepted them for service; surely they had a specification in the contract about noise levels, but perhaps not. It seems nowadays they no longer build a prototype of a class and test it thoroughly but build a lot at once that must mean that any modifications needed are hard or impossible to do.
Sorry I wasn't clear it is not the Hercules that has Newcastle on the stern but the paddle tug Eppleton Hall.
That is an interesting stationary steam engine and it seems we think alike on Eric's photo.
TOM Many thanks for the award, no bar debts and an open bar Saturday nite as well
Greetings Tom and gentlemen...
May I have a Gin & Tonic please, and the usual top up with cigars for the laddies...here's something for yourself too....$$$$
$$$$ for the the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....
Tom, nice covers of RAILROAD mate...! They must have been an interesting read back in the day with steam, modern steam and 1st generation diesels.... And a tip top second post as well....next round on me.
pwolfe, great post mate! I can't help but wonder sometimes what the railroads would have looked like today if they had still been a LMS, LNER, GW and a SOUTHERN ....
Great pics as always... next round on me.
Gunneral, cheers! Trying my hardest to please everybody in the bar...tough work with all the quality posts coming through here....next round on me.
EricX2000, I like ebay, I've done some good finds there. I have to admit though, some stuff is waayyy too $$$$..... next round on me.
Da Larsman, nice covers laddie...! The third and the last one looks really interesting to me....and of course the Minnesota - Ontario Iron Ore Railroads..next round on me.
By the by.....wasn't the "paper work" already taken care of during the week???
coalminer3, yeah, I'm really happy with my books....I'm always keeping an eye out for some interesting stuff about the railroads that I'm interested in....now I only have to find a few diesels..... next round on me.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, an early Continental breakfast, please! A Cheese Danish and Coffee!
Another week gone, just seven more to go!
Tom – I’ll keep an eye on the bulletin board to see when the MVVNGGDA will show up next time.Electric loco? Okay, that is correct but not precise enough. The world is full of electric locomotives. Thanks for reposting the first Customer photos! When I first saw the picture of Brantford’s Via station I thought it was Kirkwood.
For no other reason than keep you happy I will show a picture with some snow.
It's from the early spring in 1975, 30-35 miles south of Stockholm, Sweden.
Lars – That goes for you too! Electric is correct but I need a more detailed answer! Thanks for the info on the Diamondbugs! At least one of them lasted several years! Interesting book and DVD covers! I’ll take the ARA Standard Box Car of 1932 and the Street Running DVD! Of the second set of books and DVD’s I’ll pick the last one, Ontario Iron Ore Railroads.CM3 – I would say that your father-in-law verifies the info I found on the website Lars provided about the Diamondbugs, Erie had a lot of problems with them. Thanks for the anecdotes!Ron – I am waiting for my new passport. Sent the old one last Saturday and paid a $127 expedite fee. I don’t know when the new one might be here. Per – AEM is 75% correct!! AEM-7 is the correct answer. Yes, I am kind of picky tonight! AEM-7 is very much related to the Swedish class Rc4. What prompted the idea to paint the locomotives black? Stupidity, I guess. The same thing as the idea to paint all X2000 gray! Pete – I would say you won the quiz with your answer AEM-7AC. Remove AC and you are right! The picture was taken 1992 and there were no ACs then. Security codes for the camera? That is very useful information! Good luck! Nice pictures of the cable cars. I have very similar pictures from the same place!JanOlov – Thanks for the round! I think the most I have paid for any book on ebay is less than $20.
Greetings Tom and gentlemen.....
May I have some strong black Java please and give the laddies whetever they want this early hour on our encore and photo posting day.....keep the change..
$$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer....
barndad wrote: Hi again Tom and gang! Whiskey on the house? How can I refuse? Here's some more stuff on these Florida railways, and I'll apologize in advance for another groan-0-meter bustin' joke! The west coast traffic of the Atlantic Coast Line in the twentieth century was largely the railroad's heritage from the efforts of Henry Bradley Plant to develop on the state's western littoral a resort and transportation empire similar to the glittering success of Flagler's Florida East Coast. Plant, consumed with jealousy of Flagler imagined himself in social competition with the superb and aloof Standard Oil partner and, once encountering Flagler at Delmonico's, enquired snidely "Friend Flagler, just where is this place you call Palm Beach?" "Just follow the crowd, Friend Plant, just follow the crowd," Flagler told him. Regardless of the less elegant status of the West Coast resorts, the A.C.L. ran handsome seasonal trains to serve them, its diners continuing in their décor the theme of Spanish moss and palm trees the patrons were enjoying through the window.Below, The Gulf Limited rolls towards St. Petersburg with seventeen cars on the drawbar of a superbly maintained Pacific whose silver cylinder heads, smokebox candlesticks and ornate bell cradle symbolize railroading in the very grand manner of its happiest hour.The transition in railroad styles which saw the shift, largely accomplished in the 1920s, away from the designation of name trains as "Specials" in favor of "Limiteds" is aptly illustrated by the disappearance from the Atlantic Coast Line's timecards late in the twenties of The Pinellas Special and the listing in its place of The Gulf Coast Limited. The Limited like The Special before it, was the ranking train on the west coast run, but the steel-sheathed Pullmans and observations of the early twenties were replaced by Pullman Standard equipment. The customary assortment of sleepers out of New York was, interestingly, supplemented by a Montreal Pullman which went all the way through St. Petersburg on Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday during the winter months.Named for the Pinellas Peninsula which separates Tampa Bay from the Gulf of Mexico, the "Sunshine City" of St. Petersburg was the terminal of the Atlantic Coast Line's Pinellas Special when this photograph was taken in 1920 at a time when Florida was enjoying one of the most spectacular of its several hysterical real estate booms which, inevitably, ended in dismal bust. St. Petersburg, The Coast Line's promotional literature was quick to point out, has sixty miles of paved city streets and the motorist of the period could "travel to any town in Pinellas County without leaving the brick highway." "St. Petersburg," it added reassuringly, "while many a tourist resort, is an eminently clean town hygienically, and a place where the visitor may sojourn with every comfort." The Gold Coast route from Pam Beach to Miami envisioned by Henry Flagler was barely getting under way at this time and West Coast spas such as Sarasota, Tampa and Tarpon Springs which, like St. Petersburg were Coast Line territory, still had delusions of grandeur in the elegance sweepstakes, although the world of fashion had already indicated that the East Coast of the state would be its chosen parade in winter months.Florida East Coast dining cars which were incorporated into the consists of trains such as The Flamingo and The Seminole for the run south of Jacksonville were light and cheery of décor with murals depicting scenes of historic interest to the Florida-bound vacationist. Until the new leisure and universal wealth made seasonal tourism a mass production business, diner crews knew many of the Palm Beach regulars from one year to the next and F.E.C. travel approximated a familial status.With eighteen Standard cars on its drawbar as it takes water at West Palm Beach to take its big 4-8-4 to Miami, the combined Royal Palm-Dixie Flyer has no room for head-end revenue cars, and mail and express are handled by the Florida East Coast in separate trains during the winter season. A married man left from work early one Friday afternoon. Instead of going home, however, he squandered the weekend (and his paycheck) partying with the boys. When he finally returned home on Sunday night, he ran into a barrage of epithets from his wife. After a couple of hours of nagging and berating, his wife asked "How would you like it if you didn't see me for a couple of days?!?" "That would suit me just fine!!" the man said. Monday went by, and the man didn't see his wife. Tuesday went by with the same result. Wednesday went by with the same result. Thursday, the swelling went down a bit and he could see her a little, just out of the corner of his left eye.
Hi again Tom and gang! Whiskey on the house? How can I refuse? Here's some more stuff on these Florida railways, and I'll apologize in advance for another groan-0-meter bustin' joke!
The west coast traffic of the Atlantic Coast Line in the twentieth century was largely the railroad's heritage from the efforts of Henry Bradley Plant to develop on the state's western littoral a resort and transportation empire similar to the glittering success of Flagler's Florida East Coast. Plant, consumed with jealousy of Flagler imagined himself in social competition with the superb and aloof Standard Oil partner and, once encountering Flagler at Delmonico's, enquired snidely "Friend Flagler, just where is this place you call Palm Beach?" "Just follow the crowd, Friend Plant, just follow the crowd," Flagler told him. Regardless of the less elegant status of the West Coast resorts, the A.C.L. ran handsome seasonal trains to serve them, its diners continuing in their décor the theme of Spanish moss and palm trees the patrons were enjoying through the window.
Below, The Gulf Limited rolls towards St. Petersburg with seventeen cars on the drawbar of a superbly maintained Pacific whose silver cylinder heads, smokebox candlesticks and ornate bell cradle symbolize railroading in the very grand manner of its happiest hour.
The transition in railroad styles which saw the shift, largely accomplished in the 1920s, away from the designation of name trains as "Specials" in favor of "Limiteds" is aptly illustrated by the disappearance from the Atlantic Coast Line's timecards late in the twenties of The Pinellas Special and the listing in its place of The Gulf Coast Limited. The Limited like The Special before it, was the ranking train on the west coast run, but the steel-sheathed Pullmans and observations of the early twenties were replaced by Pullman Standard equipment. The customary assortment of sleepers out of New York was, interestingly, supplemented by a Montreal Pullman which went all the way through St. Petersburg on Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday during the winter months.
Named for the Pinellas Peninsula which separates Tampa Bay from the Gulf of Mexico, the "Sunshine City" of St. Petersburg was the terminal of the Atlantic Coast Line's Pinellas Special when this photograph was taken in 1920 at a time when Florida was enjoying one of the most spectacular of its several hysterical real estate booms which, inevitably, ended in dismal bust. St. Petersburg, The Coast Line's promotional literature was quick to point out, has sixty miles of paved city streets and the motorist of the period could "travel to any town in Pinellas County without leaving the brick highway." "St. Petersburg," it added reassuringly, "while many a tourist resort, is an eminently clean town hygienically, and a place where the visitor may sojourn with every comfort." The Gold Coast route from Pam Beach to Miami envisioned by Henry Flagler was barely getting under way at this time and West Coast spas such as Sarasota, Tampa and Tarpon Springs which, like St. Petersburg were Coast Line territory, still had delusions of grandeur in the elegance sweepstakes, although the world of fashion had already indicated that the East Coast of the state would be its chosen parade in winter months.
Florida East Coast dining cars which were incorporated into the consists of trains such as The Flamingo and The Seminole for the run south of Jacksonville were light and cheery of décor with murals depicting scenes of historic interest to the Florida-bound vacationist. Until the new leisure and universal wealth made seasonal tourism a mass production business, diner crews knew many of the Palm Beach regulars from one year to the next and F.E.C. travel approximated a familial status.
With eighteen Standard cars on its drawbar as it takes water at West Palm Beach to take its big 4-8-4 to Miami, the combined Royal Palm-Dixie Flyer has no room for head-end revenue cars, and mail and express are handled by the Florida East Coast in separate trains during the winter season.
A married man left from work early one Friday afternoon. Instead of going home, however, he squandered the weekend (and his paycheck) partying with the boys.
When he finally returned home on Sunday night, he ran into a barrage of epithets from his wife. After a couple of hours of nagging and berating, his wife asked "How would you like it if you didn't see me for a couple of days?!?"
"That would suit me just fine!!" the man said.
Monday went by, and the man didn't see his wife.
Tuesday went by with the same result.
Wednesday went by with the same result.
Thursday, the swelling went down a bit and he could see her a little, just out of the corner of his left eye.
Greetings Tom and gentlemen....
I think that I'm ready for that extra cold Guinness now....feeling a bit more awake and alert now after the strong coffee.... Keep the lads topped up with whatever they're having including cigars throughout the day please....here's some for yourself...$$$$
A few extra $$$$ for the cigar box and Mr Wurlitzer should keep the them going for a few hours as well me thinks...
And here's my contribution for photo posting day....
AT&SF 2-8-8-2 #1797, 4-8-2 #3719, 4-8-2 #3713 with train #4, the California Limited, 2-10-2 1701 is on the rear pushing, near Lynn, N.M
AT&SF 2-8-8-2 #1792 and 4-8-4 #3767 with train #20 The Chief with 14 cars hitting 30 mph, above Raton, N.M.
SP 4-8-2 #4300 with train #3, the Golden State Ltd with 13 cars doing 35 mph, near El Paso, Tex., July 24, 1935.
GN 4-8-4 #2588 with train #1, the Empire Builder, on bridge over Flathead River pulling 15 cars at 35 mph, near Glacier Park, Mont., August 5, 1938.
NP 4-6-2 #2236 and 4-8-4 #2601 with train #1, the North Coast Ltd with 10 cars moving at 12 mph, at Muir, Mont., September 25, 1931.
SP 4-8-2 #4305 with train #2, the Sunset Ltd pulling 8 cars at 30 mph, near Steins, N.M., April 21, 1933.
Credit: All above Otto Perry and photoswest.....
Good MorningCaptainTom and Sundry
JUst a coffe to go as I'm getting ready to batten down the hatches for the arrival of "Noel" as there is Hurricane force winds in the forecast. At present we are prepared as we have the essentials. Water, food, batteries, firewood, propane, beer, wine, beer wine... red wine and kieths
JanOlov wrote:GN 4-8-4 #2588 with train #1, the Empire Builder, on bridge over Flathead River pulling 15 cars at 35 mph, near Glacier Park, Mont., August 5, 1938.
Ahh my Baby! Thanks Jan that's the one by Precision Craft I'm thinking of getting at Trainworld. Might hold out in ordering it as the Canadian $ is expected to hit $1.10 US in the near future.
Anyway time to go and secure.
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
An outstanding fall morning here in mid-continent USA. That along with the smell of freshly made coffee is enough to put a <smile> on the beginning of a new day. Saturday!
Fill up the mugs - grab a few pastries, ‘n of course order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to jump start the day!
Manager Lars (LoveDomes) will not be with us this weekend and perhaps not for awhile . . We'll miss his daily appearances, book ‘n video covers along with stewardship at the bar! Hurry back, Mate.
Friday - 02 Nov 2007:
Lars (LoveDomes) at 9:22 AM: Not to be concerned Mr. Manager - I'm the Proprietor, so the bar tab is coming out of my hide - not yours! <geesh> Poor Bat Man Pete has had a time of it lately, so that's the least I can do to relieve him of the pain!
Received your Email and fully understand the situation. We'll be here, Mate - just do what needs to be done.
I'll be the first to admit that Taconite is a new one on me! Perhaps that also applies to CM3 Shane too <grin> Good selections - as always for the Larsman Mobile visit!
Round, visit ‘n covers all appreciated!
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 10:10 AM: Some super fine stuff for the Erie follow-up - just a font of info over there in WVA!
That PRR Brunswick Green surely looked black . . . then again, my recollections are more from the models than real steamers. Where I lived, we saw the GG1s ‘n diesels moreso than anything else.
Back to "normal" for our Resident WVA Connection now that the Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match reports are finished. Let's see what we can come up with engage you . . . hmmmmmm.
Thanx for the visit, chat, quarters ‘n round!
Ron (DD1) at 12:12 PM & 1:54 PM: "Ole Miss" made it in - twice - this fine day.
Unless you happen to be the Alaska Railroad, locomotives tend to get dirty - regardless of color. Up there, they have a "thing" about keeping ‘em spotless!
Figured you would figure out that contraption that Pete put up in his Pix.
As with most things in life, one has to pay the piper if one wants to dance to the music. Just avenues to expedite the process . . . always a personal choice, of course.
That movie you mentioned sounds more like a documentary to me - but thanx for the tip. I love those kinds of things ‘n will research it further.
Rounds appreciated along with the comments!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 1:21 PM: Second visit from our Manager AND more covers at that! Looks like you're doing an "overtime" thing today . . .
That 2nd batch of covers should interest Fergie ‘n Rob . . . nice going!
Looks like the Kalmbach Censor nailed ya - what did you say??? <uh oh> Just use <dashes> ‘n you can tell us! Like this: D-A-S-H . . .
Thanx for the head's up ‘n round! See ya soon . . .
Per (marthastrainyard) at 2:07 PM: The return of our Resident Cowboy Swede
Here's an ENCORE! from our Manager Lars, Posted on 19 Dec 2006 - Page 446 of the Original Thread:
I'd like to submit my offering for this Tuesday's Theme - book covers! Ruth, one more, then I better skedaddle, I think my name is being belowed called . . . <grin> Until the next time! Lars
Ruth, one more, then I better skedaddle, I think my name is being belowed called . . . <grin>
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