FALLEN FLAGS RAILROADS IN THE SOUTH

[Anonymous]

The thing is, railroads of the South have always gotten a little less press than, say, the Pennsy, NYC, Santa Fe, SP or Milwaukee Road simply because these lines were shorter, smaller in size and influence, and not as close to major, major cities of the U.S. For instance, none of the railroads of the Southeast reached either New York City, Los Angeles, or Chicago during the 50s or 60s, and these cities were where there were the heaviest concentrations of modelers and rail enthusiasts. Model makers and railroad-interest publications have to make a living, too. It sold more magazines to feature lines that more or less everybody knew about (say, PRR, NYC or Santa Fe) than ones more geographically restricted (say, the Central of Georgia). Be that as it may, it has been nice and gratifying in the last decade or so to see the beginning of interest in Southeastern fallen flags. Model makers are finally starting to offer their products in Southeastern-railroad paint schemes and the model and railroad magazines are starting to feature the old Southeastern lines more and more. I think, and I'm just guessing, that since there are practically only two lines left in the Western United States that much of the "here's what's going on with the Western Mountain Railroad of the Month" (like you used to see all the time in railroad mag's) is pretty much a thing of the past. Anyway, I'll post anything you'd like me to post about the Seaboard Air Line, Central of Georgia, or the Georgia Group (GA R.R./A&WP/W of A).

[Anonymous]

The thing is, railroads of the South have always gotten a little less press than, say, the Pennsy, NYC, Santa Fe, SP or Milwaukee Road simply because these lines were shorter, smaller in size and influence, and not as close to major, major cities of the U.S. For instance, none of the railroads of the Southeast reached either New York City, Los Angeles, or Chicago during the 50s or 60s, and these cities were where there were the heaviest concentrations of modelers and rail enthusiasts. Model makers and railroad-interest publications have to make a living, too. It sold more magazines to feature lines that more or less everybody knew about (say, PRR, NYC or Santa Fe) than ones more geographically restricted (say, the Central of Georgia). Be that as it may, it has been nice and gratifying in the last decade or so to see the beginning of interest in Southeastern fallen flags. Model makers are finally starting to offer their products in Southeastern-railroad paint schemes and the model and railroad magazines are starting to feature the old Southeastern lines more and more. I think, and I'm just guessing, that since there are practically only two lines left in the Western United States that much of the "here's what's going on with the Western Mountain Railroad of the Month" (like you used to see all the time in railroad mag's) is pretty much a thing of the past. Anyway, I'll post anything you'd like me to post about the Seaboard Air Line, Central of Georgia, or the Georgia Group (GA R.R./A&WP/W of A).

[Anonymous]

I was born in Chattanooga, TN. My favorite railroads were the Nashville, Chattanooga and St. \Louis(taken over in 1957 by the Louisville and Nashville). So add L&N to the list of favorites. Also, the Southern Railroad came through my home town. I now live in Atlanta and ride the Crescent whenever possible.

[Anonymous]

I was born in Chattanooga, TN. My favorite railroads were the Nashville, Chattanooga and St. \Louis(taken over in 1957 by the Louisville and Nashville). So add L&N to the list of favorites. Also, the Southern Railroad came through my home town. I now live in Atlanta and ride the Crescent whenever possible.

[twopdhart]

All very interesting. My personal interest is the Muskogee Roads -- the Midland Valley; Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; and Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka. The MV and KO&G went to the MoPac in the 1960s while the Santa Fe go the OC-A-A. Most of the track is gone now except for short sections, such as a piece of the MV the Union Pacific uses in Tulsa to reach a paper mill.

I know of only one book done on them, a review of the Midland Valley published in the mid '90s. Anybody know of any other sources of info on these lines?

[twopdhart]

All very interesting. My personal interest is the Muskogee Roads -- the Midland Valley; Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf; and Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka. The MV and KO&G went to the MoPac in the 1960s while the Santa Fe go the OC-A-A. Most of the track is gone now except for short sections, such as a piece of the MV the Union Pacific uses in Tulsa to reach a paper mill.

I know of only one book done on them, a review of the Midland Valley published in the mid '90s. Anybody know of any other sources of info on these lines?

[louisnash]

You may also go to the following address to get some of the L&N, C&O, Southern,etc.:

www.nkyviews.com

It is a website dedicated to the areas of Northern KY in the old days.

Brian (KY)

[louisnash]

You may also go to the following address to get some of the L&N, C&O, Southern,etc.:

www.nkyviews.com

It is a website dedicated to the areas of Northern KY in the old days.

Brian (KY)

[louisnash]

Here are a couple of websites that I have found to find info. on southern RR's:

www.railfan.net
www.rr.fallenflags.org

Brian (KY)

[louisnash]

Here are a couple of websites that I have found to find info. on southern RR's:

www.railfan.net
www.rr.fallenflags.org

Brian (KY)

[Anonymous]

The magazines do publish articles on Southern roads, but not as many as on the ones up north and out west. This is probably because there aren't as many photographs of the fallen flag era down here. But there are plenty of web sites on Southern railroads. Just type the name of your road into the google.com search box and sit back and enjoy!

[Anonymous]

The magazines do publish articles on Southern roads, but not as many as on the ones up north and out west. This is probably because there aren't as many photographs of the fallen flag era down here. But there are plenty of web sites on Southern railroads. Just type the name of your road into the google.com search box and sit back and enjoy!

[samoht]

how about some of the s.c. railroads hartwell,pickens,gree[:o)]nville+northern etc.

[samoht]

how about some of the s.c. railroads hartwell,pickens,gree[:o)]nville+northern etc.

[Ginger Valley Line]

The Summer 2000 issue of Classic Trains has an article about one boy's experience with the Gulf, Mobile & Ohio. I wrote it.

[Ginger Valley Line]

The Summer 2000 issue of Classic Trains has an article about one boy's experience with the Gulf, Mobile & Ohio. I wrote it.

[Anonymous]

I would like to start a website on the railroads you mentioned above. I would like to have rosters,(if at all possible complete), photos and I could put a few of my drawings on there to show color schemes.
What I would really want to have on there most of all is stories from people who knew the railroads, or even just people who wanted to share experiences. I think if I could do this, I would have a great site where everything is free, and you would not have to spend hours doing research on a particular railroad, just to find what you are looking for is available in book form, and for 25.00 you can find the answer to that one question!

What does everyone think? Anyone interested in helping please email me at [e-mail]

I want it to be 100 percent totally free, if everyone can mind the pop-up ads we might have something here!

[Anonymous]

I would like to start a website on the railroads you mentioned above. I would like to have rosters,(if at all possible complete), photos and I could put a few of my drawings on there to show color schemes.
What I would really want to have on there most of all is stories from people who knew the railroads, or even just people who wanted to share experiences. I think if I could do this, I would have a great site where everything is free, and you would not have to spend hours doing research on a particular railroad, just to find what you are looking for is available in book form, and for 25.00 you can find the answer to that one question!

What does everyone think? Anyone interested in helping please email me at [e-mail]

I want it to be 100 percent totally free, if everyone can mind the pop-up ads we might have something here!

[leighant]

One of the best places to look for Texas fallen flags is the Journal of Texas Shortline Railroads and Transportation. Been a while since they've had a new issue out. They've had 8 or 10 64-page books, each on a specific railroad with photos, loco and freight car rosters, prototype track plans, history, etc. Trains magazine had a great photo album on southern railroads in the late 1940s and I'm sure glad I've got a copy. I remember back in the 60s and 70s, NMRA Bulletin used to have extensive articles on non-extensive railroads, including Southern ones.

[leighant]

One of the best places to look for Texas fallen flags is the Journal of Texas Shortline Railroads and Transportation. Been a while since they've had a new issue out. They've had 8 or 10 64-page books, each on a specific railroad with photos, loco and freight car rosters, prototype track plans, history, etc. Trains magazine had a great photo album on southern railroads in the late 1940s and I'm sure glad I've got a copy. I remember back in the 60s and 70s, NMRA Bulletin used to have extensive articles on non-extensive railroads, including Southern ones.

[Anonymous]

The Yahoo group alrails (Alabamas railroads) is an excelent starting point for fallen flags in the south.

[Anonymous]

The Yahoo group alrails (Alabamas railroads) is an excelent starting point for fallen flags in the south.

[Anonymous]

How ya doin? I see the need for the southern fallen flags. Like one fellow said the internet can help a lot. Historical groups are good but you have to pay to join and for literature. Talking to other railfans is a good way too. Have you tried the library? I am from N.J , and Penna. and my interests are their, but, I like to read and hear about any railroad. Good luck. Bernt T.

[Anonymous]

How ya doin? I see the need for the southern fallen flags. Like one fellow said the internet can help a lot. Historical groups are good but you have to pay to join and for literature. Talking to other railfans is a good way too. Have you tried the library? I am from N.J , and Penna. and my interests are their, but, I like to read and hear about any railroad. Good luck. Bernt T.

[tomwatkins]

Have you considered the historical societys for the railroads you're interested in? The Southern Railway Historical Association and the L&N Railroad Historical Society, for example both publish excellent magazines about their roads. They are the two roads I'm most interested in, so I'm most familiar with them.

[tomwatkins]

Have you considered the historical societys for the railroads you're interested in? The Southern Railway Historical Association and the L&N Railroad Historical Society, for example both publish excellent magazines about their roads. They are the two roads I'm most interested in, so I'm most familiar with them.

[Anonymous]

I'm with you but I would prefer Frisco, Katy, Missouri Pacific and the Rock Island. The Southern used to get allot of ink back in the 70's when they ran the Crescent after Amtrak was formed. I would love to see one of those articles re-ran in Classic trains, since it's been about 30 years now.

[Anonymous]

I'm with you but I would prefer Frisco, Katy, Missouri Pacific and the Rock Island. The Southern used to get allot of ink back in the 70's when they ran the Crescent after Amtrak was formed. I would love to see one of those articles re-ran in Classic trains, since it's been about 30 years now.

[Anonymous]

Hello Tarwhell,

I'm not adversed on the lines you are talking about. I'm from Texas, and the fallen flags that I have been intrestred in are mostly local. Most people have never heard of them, or don't have any information about them. Nearly all the one's I'm intrestred in fell during the 50's, 60's, and 70's. I've found that looking for groups on Yahoo that share my intrest helps, but the best information I have found has been on the internet. I have learned so much about these fallen flags, that it just makes me want to dig more and more.. and the more I dig... the more treasure I find!!!!

My intrest are the Texas and Pacific, Missouri Pacific, Abilene Southern, Abilene Northern, and the Roscoe, Synder, and Pacific. During the last several month's I've discovered thing's I never knew... thank's to a great search engine.

Good luck on your Quest!

Robert Manly