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Posted by cnw4001 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:22 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: smalling_60626 Allen,

The Crescent, via Montgomery, AL, was a joint train of the L&N, PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point. Depending on the era, one could easily see advertisements from those railroads.

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I don't know if it was the Crescent but I'm pretty sure there was another train which saw the PRR going to Florida. I think it originated in Chicago and finished in a Florida location. May well had L & N as the "middle man." I remember seeing a film of a rare time when the PRR power actually ran through to Florida.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:06 PM
Cool! Thanks, Tom, for setting me straight.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:29 PM
For: smalling_60626 Allen,

The Crescent, via Montgomery, AL, was a joint train of the L&N, PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point. Depending on the era, one could easily see advertisements from those railroads.

The ad is from Classic American Trains although the date is not provided.

Here's a quote from another source, Classic American Railroads:
QUOTE: Although many an L&N passenger train had the duty of linking on-line cities, Louisville & Nashville was first and foremost an interline carrier, working closely with several other railraods in providing through passenger service between the North and South. Trains like the New York-New Orleans Crescent and Piedmont Limited involved the cooperation of four roads; Pennsylvania, Southern railway, Atlanta & West Point and L&N. which handled those trains between Montgomery and New Orleans.


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:56 AM
Wait a sec--the ad copy described the train that ran on the main line of the Southern Rwy., not the L&N.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:27 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #13

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Louisville and Nashville (L&N) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


The NEW Crescent
A GRAND NEW TRAIN WITH A GRAND OLD NAME


In Daily Service between New Orleans, Atlanta, Washington and New York


Recommend and Sell the Year’s Finest Travel Packge

STREAMLINED, STAINLESS STEEL CARS
The Crescent is new from end to end. It’s the last word in streamliners. all cars are constructed of stainless steel and offer latest comfort and safety features.

ALL-PRIVATE-ROOM SLEEPERS
A selection of five different type private rooms – new 3-bed master room with shower and individual radio, drawing room, bedroom en suite, bedroom, and roomette. Each offers private lavatory, clothes closet, ice water and individually controlled lighting, heating and air conditioning.

LOUNGE AND OBSERVATION CARS
The finest atmosphere is found in the mid-train club lounge and the luxurious observation car. Comfortable chairs, music and convenient game or writing tables offer a “club on wheels” for rest and relaxation.

NOTHING FINER IN DINERS
The Crescent diners serve Southern cooking at is best. Every service to make every meal a travel treat has been provided – even to telephone communication between sleeping cars and diners.

COACH SERVICE
De luxe coaches with individual reclining seats are operated between New Orleans and Atlanta with connecting service beyond.

LOUISVILLE AND NASHVILLE RAILROAD


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:07 AM
Hey John

Caught your Post and I think you'll enjoy yourself at the bar .......

I'll continue "backing up" Posts over here, as long as there appears to be some interest in the subject. Never know ......

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Posted by jlampke on Monday, November 14, 2005 10:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Hey Nick!

Some guys simply don't care for the bar 'n grill idea ... so here's another option.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


Tom: The bar 'n grill idea is fine, actually. I can't speak for anyone else, but I haven't involved myself in that thread simply because I wasn't sure what the protocol was, and didn't want to **** anyone off. You guys who are regulars there seem to have an extensive knowledge of railroads. Not so, here. Always liked 'em, but can't contribute much.

I'll post my SP Daylight questions there, as per your invitation. Thanks. John
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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Hey cnw4001 Dale

The last time I was in Cincy's Union Terminal was in 1960 - arrived and departed by the PRR from NYC. Was best man in my buddy's wedding.

I understand there have been some fine things done with that structure and that's good. It has a unique design and is every bit a part of U.S. passenger railroading history as any other terminal in the land.

Used to call Cincinnati "home" during a large part of my 32 year military career. Great city and surrounding area. We were "huge" Big Red Machine" fans back when that team was the class of both leagues. Nice place you call home! [tup]

My early recollections of passenger railroads goes back to the 1940s and Pennsylvania Station in NYC along with Grand Central Terminal. Great places to see the trains - that is if the guy watching the gates would let you go down to the platforms. My grandpa always managed to "work" that out, and off we'd go to check out those gleaming beauties all lined up and ready to get movin'.

Good memories for sure!

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CUT minus the waiting room which used to stretch over all the tracks is now the Museum Center. There are museums in the basement area which used to be where the busses, taxis and other vehicles entered. Amtrak uses the track closest to the dome for their three times a week service in the middle of the night.

The huge murals which were actually part of the waiting area walls were taken to the airport in northern Kentucky. It was a massive undertaking and for a while it looked as if they would be demolished when the waiting area was demolished. Fortunately they survived. If you're in CUT be sure to see if Tower A happens to be open. It is the club room of the Cincinnati Railroad Club and the actual location where all of CUT was controlled. Now it overlooks NS' Gest Street Yard and the southern portion of CSXT's Queensgate Yard.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:06 PM
Hey Nick!

Some guys simply don't care for the bar 'n grill idea ... so here's another option.

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:52 PM
Hey boss-looks like this one`s taking off as well-good stuff [tup] nick
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:19 PM
For: ftwNSengineer

While you are checking out this site - you may also want to visit "Our" Place too.

The discussion there centers more on all kinds of trains - classic of course (real and model).

Appreciate your stopping by! [tup]

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Posted by red p on Monday, November 14, 2005 3:57 PM
Well I stopped in to learn a bit more about passenger trains and consist.
Im looking at add some early Amtrak operations to my mid-70s Penn Central layout
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 3:37 PM
Hey cnw4001 Dale

The last time I was in Cincy's Union Terminal was in 1960 - arrived and departed by the PRR from NYC. Was best man in my buddy's wedding.

I understand there have been some fine things done with that structure and that's good. It has a unique design and is every bit a part of U.S. passenger railroading history as any other terminal in the land.

Used to call Cincinnati "home" during a large part of my 32 year military career. Great city and surrounding area. We were "huge" Big Red Machine" fans back when that team was the class of both leagues. Nice place you call home! [tup]

My early recollections of passenger railroads goes back to the 1940s and Pennsylvania Station in NYC along with Grand Central Terminal. Great places to see the trains - that is if the guy watching the gates would let you go down to the platforms. My grandpa always managed to "work" that out, and off we'd go to check out those gleaming beauties all lined up and ready to get movin'.

Good memories for sure!

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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 14, 2005 2:38 PM
While growing up in Cincinnati got to see passenger trains from the seven rairoads coming and going at Cincinnati Union Terminal each day.

Something I really enjoyed and clearly miss now.

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Re. Inquiry regarding SP passenger cars.
Amtrak took all of the SP Sunsest Limited cars except for the 10-6 Blunt end cars. SP kept one each of the feature cars for their own Business Fleet. The Budd built cars operated in the Golden State also went to Amtrak.
Amtrak first leased and then purchased a number of what they termed Salvage cars that included some of the prewar Daylight articulated coaches for service in the Reno Fun Train. Amtrak also purchased the 3/4 length domes except for one that was retained by SP. These cars were assigned to the San Francisco Zephyr (Later California Zephyr)
Several SP sleeping cars were leased for a short period then returned to SP for scrapping.
Other then the Budd cars much of the SP equipment was suffering from deferred maintenance by the start of Amtrak.
Remember Amtrak gave priority to Budd cars first then loooked at the other manufacturers cars as needed. That is why so much AT&SF and SCL equipment operated on Amtrak. Also another major supplier of cars to Amtrak was BN.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 9:40 AM
Hello jlampke John!

Glad the ads "work" for you. [tup]

The Southern Pacific had 1002 passenger cars in 1963 (according to "Classic American Railroads").

We have several guys over at "Our" Place who are much more SP oriented than I. Why not drop by [?]

I run a Fallen Flags series for Passenger RRs over there and today there is an Index in the Summary page that lists all Posted thus far.

Catch ya later!

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Posted by jlampke on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:58 AM
Thanks for the ads, Tom. Very interesting.
It seems like I read somewhere that the SP had just over 1,100 passenger cars at the beginning of the '60's. Does anyone know how accurate that number is?

Also, does anyone know roughly what percentage of them would've been painted in Daylight colors?

Also, I assume most of them survived through the '60's and were turned over to Amtrak when the latter took over passenger service. Is that correct? Anyone know any numbers there? Was it a give-away or was money exchanged?

What has become of the cars that the SP turned over to Amtrak?

Does anyone care to offer a guess as to how many of the ex-SP pre-1958 Daylight cars still exist? I am interested in cars that would've been pulled behind GS locomotives.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:35 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #12

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this ad (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)



Look what they’re saying about the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited!

”FOUR VISTA-DOMES . . .
the view really is terrific on the Northern Pacific!”

“Pride of the Northwest . . . a train second to none!”

“One of the top trains in the country”

“A LOVELY STEWARDESS-NURSE . . . so kind to me and my children”

“Most friendly and courteous employees”

“Comfortable trip – delicious meals. Our compliments to the chef”

“THE TRAVELLER’S REST buffet-lounge . . . most unique car we’ve ever seen . . . captures the flavor and romance of the West”

”WON’T YOU BE MY GUEST?”
Now a friendly Stewardess-Nurse welcomes you aboard the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited. You’ll enjoy extra traveling pleasure at no extra cost – in fact, even low Family Fares apply! Heading East or West through the scenic Northwest, you’ll see for yourself why passengers call it . . .

. . . . . One of the world’s Extra Fine trains . . . . .

. . . . . For complete information, write
. . . . . G. W. RODINE, Passenger Traffic Manager . . . . .
. . . . . Northern Pacific Railway, St. Paul 1, Minn. . . . . .

CHICAGO – TWIN CITIES – SPOKANE – PORTLAND – TACOMA – SEATTLE


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:16 PM
Hello Captain Tom,

I know you take Sunday's off, or at least most of the day. Thought I would check out this thread, but I see not much is going one other than your fine efforts. Nce photos over at the bar I might add.

Now why would someone copy your entire series on World War II only to re-post it again on this thread? I do not quite get that at all.

Even though I have seen your latest Nostalgia offering before, it brings back some memories of northeast U.S. rail travel. Nice work.,

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:22 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #11

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


NOW . . . A Complete RECREATION CAR

Especially Designed for Your Pleasure

In daily service on The Jeffersonian, popular all-coach streamliner between New York and St. Louis!
A dramatic highlight in Pennsylvania railroad’s new equipment program, this colorful new recreation car provides amusement and entertainment for all ages. A luxurious game and reading lounge . . . a children’s playroom . . . a sunken buffet lounge . . . miniature movie theatre – pleasure with variety. Be among the first to enjoy it! Reserve a seat on The Jeffersonian on your next trip!

SO ROOMY AND RESTFUL – the new overnight coaches on The Jeffersonian. Only 44 seats to the car – and all reclining! You’ll like the new lighting too – fluorescent, 4 times brighter but easy on the eyes. New-type air-conditioning adds still more comfort.

EXTRA LARGE MODERN WASHROOMS, one for women, one for men at the end of each coach – handsomely decorated – with 3 glistening washstands and 2 toilet annexes.

Enjoy these New Features at Low Coach Fares!

THE JEFFERSONIAN
. . . . . . . . . . Westbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. New York . . . . . 6:15 P.M.
Lv. Philadelphia . . . 7:43 P.M.
Lv. Washington . . . 6:20 P.M.
Lv. Baltimore . . . . . 7:05 P.M.
Lv. Harrisburg . . . . .9:42 P.M.
Ar. Columbus . . . . . 6:46 A.M.
Ar. Dayton . . . . . . ..8:21 A.M.
Ar. Indianapolis . . . .9:27 A.M.
Ar. St. Louis . . . . . .1:50 P.M.
. . . . . . . . . . Eastbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. St. Louis . . . . . . 1:00 P.M.
Lv. Indianapolis . . . . 5:07 P.M.
Lv. Dayton . . . . . . . .8:13 P.M.
Lv. Columbus . . . . . .9:35 P.M.
Ar. Harrisburg . . . . . 6:51 A.M.
Ar. Baltimore . . . . . . 9:23 A.M.
Ar. Washington . . . .10:10 A.M.
Ar. Philadelphia . . . . .8:52 A.M.
Ar. New York . . . . . .10:25 A.M

Recreation car facilities available to Baltimore and Washington passengers between Harrisburg and St. Louis.

PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . Serving the Nation . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:40 PM
Some things we NEVER seemto forget - like our FIRST train rides!

Thanx for the stories, sammythebull and espeefoamer Dan [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:38 PM
Well Dan, if we musn't forget the New Haven ad - why not Post it for us [?]

You kinda threw me off there when I saw my looooooooooooong Post repeated, I thought I had fouled up somewhere - then it "dawned" on me that you quoted the whole thing. [wow]

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Posted by espeefoamer on Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

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Number 2 of 9

”OVER HILL, OVER DALE, WE WILL RIDE THE IRON RAIL . . .

AS THE PULLMAN’S GO ROLLING ALONG”


Growing and GOING
that’s the story of our armed forces.

Growing every day and going every night, for long distance troop movements are usually under the cover of darkness, in Pullman sleeping cars.

It’s a big job for the railroads to haul so many cars. And a big job for Pullman to provide them. But it’s a welcome job for both of us, one we’re proud and happy we were prepared to handle.

Prepared? Oh, yes. The way Pullman and the railroads worked together in peacetime – through the Pullman “pool” of sleeping cars – fitted right into the wartime picture.

Here’s how that “pool” works:

> Railroad passenger traffic in different parts of the country fluctuates with the season. Travel south, for instance, is heaviest in winter. And travel north increases in the summer.

> If each railroad owned and operated enough sleeping cars to handle its own peak loads, many of those cars would be idle most of the year.

> With the Pullman “pool,” however, over one hundred different railroads share in the ability of a sleeping car fleet big enough to handle their combined requirements at any one time. As the travel loads shifts north, south, east or west, these cars shift with it. They are seldom idle for when fewer cars are needed on one railroad, more are needed on another.

Now that war has come this “pool”operation of sleeping cars enables troop trains to be made up on short notice – at widely scattered points – and routed over any combination of railroads.

That’s what we meant when we said that Pullman and the railroads were prepared to handle the tremendous mass movement of troops that goes on constantly.

It takes a lot of sleeping cars to do it. Almost drains the Pullman “pool” at times. As a result, civilian travelers are sometimes inconvenienced.

But the war comes first with the railroads and first with Pullman – just as it comes first with you!

AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 25,000 TROOPS A NIGHT NOW

GO PULLMAN
Buy War Bonds and Stamps Regularly!


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Number 3 of 9

One passenger – or one million

Those carefree days when a man could almost as easily as he’d are out for the duration.

Folks have to share the railroads with the Army and Navy, just as they’re sharing everything else these days.

We wish we could still offer you an unlimited choice of departure times and accommodations, but more than a million and half troops per month must be cared for first.

That takes a lot of cars and a lot of locomotives.

It takes the time of a lot of railroad men, for these movements must be handled swiftly and secretly.

After meeting all the vast demands of a nation at war, we are not always able to serve the public as well as we’d like to – but nevertheless with a little cooperation, we’ll get you where you have to go.

Transportation is our business as well as our duty - and we want you to know that every railroad man worthy of the name has his heart in the job.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Association of . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . American Railroads . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Washington, D.C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . United for Victory
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 4 of 9

. . . . .”Keep “Em Rollin’ . . or Else!”. . . . .
says grandpappy engine 2414 to a 1942 Santa Fe Freight Diesel


“Back in ’98, in the Spanish-American War,” reminisces little Old-Timer 2414, “20 cars was an average-length freight train. By World War I, we’d upped our Santa Fe freights to an average 35.9 cars. Not bad railroadin’, that.”

“Not bad is right,” answers the big new freight Diesel, “but not good enough for World War II. Now we’ve stretched ‘em out another 41% to 50.9 cars, and those cars are bigger, loaded heavier, and rolling farther and faster.”

“Good work, son,” says Old-Timer. “Yours is the BIG war job. Keep ‘em rollin’ – or else!”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP ‘EM ROLLIN’ – OR ELSE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* No nation that does not possess efficient mass transportation can hope to win a modern war. In America that mass transportation job is squarely up to her railroads. If they fail, we lose.

Neither battle gallantry nor industrial wizardry alone will turn the tide. To meet this tremendous responsibility, we ask for every possible consideration in the allocation of materials for vitally essential repairs, maintenance and new equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DAILY THE LOAD INCREASES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To date, the railroads haves met 100% the staggering demands born of this global war. Many have helped make that record possible – the War Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, civilian shippers and travelers everywhere.

In the first six month of 1942 with 25% fewer locomotives, the Santa Fe moved 94% more freight ton-miles and 27% more military and civilian passenger miles than in the first six months of 1918 in World War I.

Daily the load increases. No man knows what the peak will be. We do know there is a limit to the performance that can be squeezed out of existing equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SANTA FE SYSTEM LINES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . SERVING THE SOUTHWEST FOR 70 YEARS . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 5 of 9

Like Father in 1917 ~ Like Son, in 1942 ~

. . . . . Americans feel at home in Britain. . . . .

Americans have always felt at home in Britain . . . in peace time . . . or in war.

Whether they have come over, equipped with guide books, golf clubs and cameras for a quiet sojourn among Britain’s peaceful hedgerows, historic landmarks, and the ancestral beginnings of American ideals, laws and traditions or whether they have come, as in 1942 with steel helmets, bayonets, tanks and bombers in defenses of these very ideals, by which both nations are so closely bound together in common heritage, Americans feel that they are truly among friends – in Britain.

Year after year, in happier times, British Railways have brought American travelers along the magic trail that leads into the heart of Britain – the glorious, colourful panorama of History, Literature, Tradition and Ideals.

Until Victory comes, as it must and will, British Railways continue to maintain their contact with their American Friends, through their General Traffic Manager, C. M. Turner, 9 Rockerfeller Plaza, New York, N. Y.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 6 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A BOY ON A HILL-TOP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

He used to wave at me from that hill . . . we lived just beyond it. He knew the exact time I’d be by . . . and I’d wave to him from the cab.

And on my time off, I’d go to the hill with him, and we’d sit together, my son and I, and wait for the trains to come along. We’d hear their whistle calling across the distance . . . then see the long plume of smoke come into view, racing like the wind . . . and as they thundered by, we’d both wave to the engineer.

Maybe there’s something in heredity – he seemed to have the railroad in his blood. When he finished school . . . well I rolled into the yards one day, and there he was – long longer my little boy, but a man. A railroad man!

He might someday have taken over my run. But, last December 7th, he was twenty-one . . .

I don’t know where he is now. He got is two weeks leave before he left. But whenever I pass that hill, I seem to see him, as he used to be, before he became a man and had to shoulder the responsibility of being a man.

I know he wants to come back to the railroad . . . and I’m going to see that he does come back! These Japs and *** who started all this – when they creep up on him and all his fellows in arms – even if they come with a thousand tanks and mobile guns and all the dive-bombers they can find in hell – he and his buddies will meet them with fifty thousand tanks and a hundred thousand planes and two hundred thousand guns. My job, now, is to get that equipment to the ships that’ll take it to him and to all the other American boys like him, no matter where they are.

And it can rain and snow and sleet and it can blow, and nothing will stop me. I’ll get the stuff through to him. I am getting it through to him. You only have to lie still in the night and listen to the rumble of the trains – the trains everywhere – to know that I’m speaking the truth. It’s my son, and it’s my country, whose lives are at stake, and I can’t fail and I won’t.

. . . . . . . . . . Published as a tribute to the railroad workers of America . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Invest in Victory . . . . . Buy United States War Bonds and Stamps . . . . .

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Number 7 of 9

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. . . . . . . . . . HE WHO ”steps up” ALSO SERVES . . . . . . . . . .

UNION PACIFIC is doing its share to meet the nation’s vital need for dependable transportation. It’s a job we’re proud to do. Over the “the strategic middle route” connecting East with West, our gigantic locomotives are hauling not only war materials but also thousands of Uncle Sam’s men in uniform.

Thus, it is apparent that travelers may not always find it possible to obtain their preferred accommodations. Perhaps only coach seats or upper berths will be available. To Union Pacific patrons, who we have had the pleasure of serving and will continue to serve to the best of our ability, we would like to say, “he who steps up also serves” and express our thanks for your cooperation.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Progresssive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Strategic Middle Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . “Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 8 of 9

ON THEIR WAY

Shades are drawn down. Lights dim low. The landscape is blotted out . . . there’s just the hum of the speeding train.

These boys know what it means – the troop train is approaching the troop ships.

Some draw a deep breath. A soldier fumbles for a letter. Another wonders if he can make a last telephone call. Another draws out a crumpled photograph.

No, travelers don’t see this – but the trainmen of the Pennsylvania Railroad do, daily. And more so than ever now. As the swelling tide of American youth – fine and fit streams overseas . . .

Of course, it takes a lot of equipment for these troop movements – but with what remains we are doing our best to serve all essential travelers . . . efficiently, courteously.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BUY UNITED STATES WAR BONDS AND STAMPS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Pennsylvania Railroad


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Number 9 of 9

A NEW DAY DAWNS IN RAILROADING

War traffic has more than doubled the volume of freight hauled by the Western Pacific Railroad from Salt Lake City to San Francisco. Wherever the going it toughest n this rugged route, General Motors Diesel freight locomotives have kept this vast stream of vital munitions moving steadily.

War building is being rushed ahead with reliable General Motors Diesel power. In the days to come this dependable, economical power will be ready to do the hard jobs of peace.


Throughout history, wars have set up new milestones of transportation progress. And with this war, it is the General Motors Diesel Locomotive that is ushering in the new era. What advances the future will bring are already apparent in the present performance of these locomotives and the way they are helping to meet the abnormal demands upon the railroads today.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP AMERICA STRONG * BUY MORE BONDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

LOCOMOTIVES . . ……………………ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION, La Grange, Ill.

ENGINES . . 150 to 2000 H.P. …….. CLEVELAND DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Cleveland, Ohio

ENGINES . . . 15 to 250 H.P. ……… DETROIT DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Detroit, Mich.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GENERAL MOTORS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DIESEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . POWER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That’s it!

It has been my pleasure to provide these 9 WWII Posts to all of you. [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

We musten't forget the New Haven ad "The Kid in Lower Twelve" the story of a young soldier going off to war ina Pullman car.
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Posted by espeefoamer on Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:36 PM
My first train ride was on the Southern Pacific's San Joaquin Daylight.My grandparents took my brother and me, to San Francisco.This was in 1961,when I was 9 years old.The train was almost all Daylight painted cars.Some of the head end cars were dark grey and the diner(This was before the Automat infestation) was already in the Sunset scheme.We ate all three meals in the diner,I had pancakes for breakfast. I don't remember what I ate the other two meals, but we had dinner while running along San Pablo bay,and I got a look at the Golden Gate bridge.I remember spending a lot of time in the dome lounge car. After much pressuring from me,my grandfather took movies of our locomotives as we rounded the horseshoe at Caliente. We had an A-B-A set of PAs. At Lathrop,we dropped two coaches for Sacramento,and picked up a yellow coach.For years afterwards I thought this was a UP car as I didn't know about the SP's City of San Francisco coaches.We returned after staying in Frisco for a day.We returned on the Coast Daylight.This train was 20 cars long,all Daylight.painted cars.We rode in a parlor car,but this was placed at the front of the train instead of just ahead of the parlor obs.I wanted to go back and see the observation car but my grandmother told my "It's just like all the other cars".I had read about observation cars and knew they weren't but was unable to convince her of this.I remember having lunch in the diner,I had a green iced tea.I had never seen this before or since.This was not the pale green of today's teas but was more of a bright green. Also,while rounding a curve my brother dumped his root beer into my hamburger,and the waiter had to get me another one. Altogether,this was a great trip.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:52 PM
My first psgr trip was Aug 1972. I was nine yrs old and went w/my Grandparents to visit family in Dallas. We made a one way trip from Wichita,KS to Ft.Worth on Amtrk 15 the TX Chief. I recall some segments of the trip--Boarding the train at Union Stn about 0430, riding in a bilevel car, passing through southern KS in the early pre dawn hours and crossing through OK during the day and stopping at Ponca City, Guthrie & OK City. Sometime during the day we went to the diner for a meal. Cannot recall what I ate but I do remember the food car was a SF lunch counter diner type. We arrived in Ft.Worth during the afternoon which was about a eight or nine hr ride. On the return home, we took the bus and why this mode of transport was chosen over the train was beyond me. The bus ride did not hold a candle to riding down on the train.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:48 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

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Number 2 of 9

”OVER HILL, OVER DALE, WE WILL RIDE THE IRON RAIL . . .

AS THE PULLMAN’S GO ROLLING ALONG”


Growing and GOING
that’s the story of our armed forces.

Growing every day and going every night, for long distance troop movements are usually under the cover of darkness, in Pullman sleeping cars.

It’s a big job for the railroads to haul so many cars. And a big job for Pullman to provide them. But it’s a welcome job for both of us, one we’re proud and happy we were prepared to handle.

Prepared? Oh, yes. The way Pullman and the railroads worked together in peacetime – through the Pullman “pool” of sleeping cars – fitted right into the wartime picture.

Here’s how that “pool” works:

> Railroad passenger traffic in different parts of the country fluctuates with the season. Travel south, for instance, is heaviest in winter. And travel north increases in the summer.

> If each railroad owned and operated enough sleeping cars to handle its own peak loads, many of those cars would be idle most of the year.

> With the Pullman “pool,” however, over one hundred different railroads share in the ability of a sleeping car fleet big enough to handle their combined requirements at any one time. As the travel loads shifts north, south, east or west, these cars shift with it. They are seldom idle for when fewer cars are needed on one railroad, more are needed on another.

Now that war has come this “pool”operation of sleeping cars enables troop trains to be made up on short notice – at widely scattered points – and routed over any combination of railroads.

That’s what we meant when we said that Pullman and the railroads were prepared to handle the tremendous mass movement of troops that goes on constantly.

It takes a lot of sleeping cars to do it. Almost drains the Pullman “pool” at times. As a result, civilian travelers are sometimes inconvenienced.

But the war comes first with the railroads and first with Pullman – just as it comes first with you!

AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 25,000 TROOPS A NIGHT NOW

GO PULLMAN
Buy War Bonds and Stamps Regularly!


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Number 3 of 9

One passenger – or one million

Those carefree days when a man could almost as easily as he’d are out for the duration.

Folks have to share the railroads with the Army and Navy, just as they’re sharing everything else these days.

We wish we could still offer you an unlimited choice of departure times and accommodations, but more than a million and half troops per month must be cared for first.

That takes a lot of cars and a lot of locomotives.

It takes the time of a lot of railroad men, for these movements must be handled swiftly and secretly.

After meeting all the vast demands of a nation at war, we are not always able to serve the public as well as we’d like to – but nevertheless with a little cooperation, we’ll get you where you have to go.

Transportation is our business as well as our duty - and we want you to know that every railroad man worthy of the name has his heart in the job.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Association of . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . American Railroads . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Washington, D.C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . United for Victory
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Number 4 of 9

. . . . .”Keep “Em Rollin’ . . or Else!”. . . . .
says grandpappy engine 2414 to a 1942 Santa Fe Freight Diesel


“Back in ’98, in the Spanish-American War,” reminisces little Old-Timer 2414, “20 cars was an average-length freight train. By World War I, we’d upped our Santa Fe freights to an average 35.9 cars. Not bad railroadin’, that.”

“Not bad is right,” answers the big new freight Diesel, “but not good enough for World War II. Now we’ve stretched ‘em out another 41% to 50.9 cars, and those cars are bigger, loaded heavier, and rolling farther and faster.”

“Good work, son,” says Old-Timer. “Yours is the BIG war job. Keep ‘em rollin’ – or else!”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP ‘EM ROLLIN’ – OR ELSE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

* No nation that does not possess efficient mass transportation can hope to win a modern war. In America that mass transportation job is squarely up to her railroads. If they fail, we lose.

Neither battle gallantry nor industrial wizardry alone will turn the tide. To meet this tremendous responsibility, we ask for every possible consideration in the allocation of materials for vitally essential repairs, maintenance and new equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DAILY THE LOAD INCREASES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To date, the railroads haves met 100% the staggering demands born of this global war. Many have helped make that record possible – the War Department, the Office of Defense Transportation, civilian shippers and travelers everywhere.

In the first six month of 1942 with 25% fewer locomotives, the Santa Fe moved 94% more freight ton-miles and 27% more military and civilian passenger miles than in the first six months of 1918 in World War I.

Daily the load increases. No man knows what the peak will be. We do know there is a limit to the performance that can be squeezed out of existing equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SANTA FE SYSTEM LINES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . SERVING THE SOUTHWEST FOR 70 YEARS . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 5 of 9

Like Father in 1917 ~ Like Son, in 1942 ~

. . . . . Americans feel at home in Britain. . . . .

Americans have always felt at home in Britain . . . in peace time . . . or in war.

Whether they have come over, equipped with guide books, golf clubs and cameras for a quiet sojourn among Britain’s peaceful hedgerows, historic landmarks, and the ancestral beginnings of American ideals, laws and traditions or whether they have come, as in 1942 with steel helmets, bayonets, tanks and bombers in defenses of these very ideals, by which both nations are so closely bound together in common heritage, Americans feel that they are truly among friends – in Britain.

Year after year, in happier times, British Railways have brought American travelers along the magic trail that leads into the heart of Britain – the glorious, colourful panorama of History, Literature, Tradition and Ideals.

Until Victory comes, as it must and will, British Railways continue to maintain their contact with their American Friends, through their General Traffic Manager, C. M. Turner, 9 Rockerfeller Plaza, New York, N. Y.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 6 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A BOY ON A HILL-TOP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

He used to wave at me from that hill . . . we lived just beyond it. He knew the exact time I’d be by . . . and I’d wave to him from the cab.

And on my time off, I’d go to the hill with him, and we’d sit together, my son and I, and wait for the trains to come along. We’d hear their whistle calling across the distance . . . then see the long plume of smoke come into view, racing like the wind . . . and as they thundered by, we’d both wave to the engineer.

Maybe there’s something in heredity – he seemed to have the railroad in his blood. When he finished school . . . well I rolled into the yards one day, and there he was – long longer my little boy, but a man. A railroad man!

He might someday have taken over my run. But, last December 7th, he was twenty-one . . .

I don’t know where he is now. He got is two weeks leave before he left. But whenever I pass that hill, I seem to see him, as he used to be, before he became a man and had to shoulder the responsibility of being a man.

I know he wants to come back to the railroad . . . and I’m going to see that he does come back! These Japs and *** who started all this – when they creep up on him and all his fellows in arms – even if they come with a thousand tanks and mobile guns and all the dive-bombers they can find in hell – he and his buddies will meet them with fifty thousand tanks and a hundred thousand planes and two hundred thousand guns. My job, now, is to get that equipment to the ships that’ll take it to him and to all the other American boys like him, no matter where they are.

And it can rain and snow and sleet and it can blow, and nothing will stop me. I’ll get the stuff through to him. I am getting it through to him. You only have to lie still in the night and listen to the rumble of the trains – the trains everywhere – to know that I’m speaking the truth. It’s my son, and it’s my country, whose lives are at stake, and I can’t fail and I won’t.

. . . . . . . . . . Published as a tribute to the railroad workers of America . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Invest in Victory . . . . . Buy United States War Bonds and Stamps . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


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Number 7 of 9

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . HE WHO ”steps up” ALSO SERVES . . . . . . . . . .

UNION PACIFIC is doing its share to meet the nation’s vital need for dependable transportation. It’s a job we’re proud to do. Over the “the strategic middle route” connecting East with West, our gigantic locomotives are hauling not only war materials but also thousands of Uncle Sam’s men in uniform.

Thus, it is apparent that travelers may not always find it possible to obtain their preferred accommodations. Perhaps only coach seats or upper berths will be available. To Union Pacific patrons, who we have had the pleasure of serving and will continue to serve to the best of our ability, we would like to say, “he who steps up also serves” and express our thanks for your cooperation.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Progresssive . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Strategic Middle Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . “Buy U. S. War Bonds – They Identify You” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Number 8 of 9

ON THEIR WAY

Shades are drawn down. Lights dim low. The landscape is blotted out . . . there’s just the hum of the speeding train.

These boys know what it means – the troop train is approaching the troop ships.

Some draw a deep breath. A soldier fumbles for a letter. Another wonders if he can make a last telephone call. Another draws out a crumpled photograph.

No, travelers don’t see this – but the trainmen of the Pennsylvania Railroad do, daily. And more so than ever now. As the swelling tide of American youth – fine and fit streams overseas . . .

Of course, it takes a lot of equipment for these troop movements – but with what remains we are doing our best to serve all essential travelers . . . efficiently, courteously.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BUY UNITED STATES WAR BONDS AND STAMPS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Pennsylvania Railroad


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Number 9 of 9

A NEW DAY DAWNS IN RAILROADING

War traffic has more than doubled the volume of freight hauled by the Western Pacific Railroad from Salt Lake City to San Francisco. Wherever the going it toughest n this rugged route, General Motors Diesel freight locomotives have kept this vast stream of vital munitions moving steadily.

War building is being rushed ahead with reliable General Motors Diesel power. In the days to come this dependable, economical power will be ready to do the hard jobs of peace.


Throughout history, wars have set up new milestones of transportation progress. And with this war, it is the General Motors Diesel Locomotive that is ushering in the new era. What advances the future will bring are already apparent in the present performance of these locomotives and the way they are helping to meet the abnormal demands upon the railroads today.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KEEP AMERICA STRONG * BUY MORE BONDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

LOCOMOTIVES . . ……………………ELECTRO-MOTIVE DIVISION, La Grange, Ill.

ENGINES . . 150 to 2000 H.P. …….. CLEVELAND DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Cleveland, Ohio

ENGINES . . . 15 to 250 H.P. ……… DETROIT DIESEL ENGINE DIVISION, Detroit, Mich.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GENERAL MOTORS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DIESEL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . POWER . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That’s it!

It has been my pleasure to provide these 9 WWII Posts to all of you. [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:18 PM
No, siberianmo, I don't expect the massive postings you made yesterday, but if you're having any qualms about posting future ads--don't have 'em. Post away!

Gratefully,
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:47 PM
For: agentatascadero

Thanx for participating in our Veterans/Remembrance Day activities! [tup]

For: BudKarr BK -and- smalling_60626 Allen

Glad the advertisements "worked" for you both. Surely you don't expect me to maintain the pace of yesterday, do you [?] [swg] <phew>

Appreciate you both stoppin' by ...... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:22 PM
I LOVE the ads! Please keep 'em coming!

Al Smalling
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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, November 11, 2005 7:26 PM
Good Evening Captain Tom,

Just a final word - thank you for this extra effort in providing one and all with such a well thought out and orchestrated presentation of WWII railroad advertisements.

Good show!

BK

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