A Classic REAL Trains 'n Traction FOTO site!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Appreciate the cotninuing support over here, Rob! [tup]

Responded to your Email Art - thanx! [tup]

Let's continue with the Great Northern . . . . .

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PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)


Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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[artpeterson]

Hi all -

Thanks for the thoughts on "photobucket", etc., will give that a try!

Nice to see the GN Big Sky Blue dome in Chicago, too bad no "L" train in the view at that moment; not always easy to get all the elements to come together....

[siberianmo]

G'day!

And now . . . . another GN dome!


GN #1325 in Seattle (1972) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #9

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check these combined-advertisements out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)


GREAT NORTHERN Empire Builder-Western Star-Newest and Best to the Pacific Northwest

DIESEL AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES BETWEEN CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEPOLIS AND SEATTLE-PORTLAND.

THE EMPIRE BUILDER
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORLAND with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA

NO EXTRA FARE. ALL ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED.

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Coach.
Great Dome Reclining Seat Coaches.
Ranch-Lounge.
Diner.
Sleepers.

Great Dome Luxurious Full Length Dome Lounge with colorful beverage lounge in lower section.

Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted.


GREAT NORTHERN Direct Route to Glacier National Park in Montana Rockies.

THE WESTERN STAR
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, GREAT FALLS, GLACIER PARK, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND via St. Cloud with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA and Direct Connections at GREAT FALLS and from HELENA AND BUTTE

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Reclining Seat Coach.
Day-Nite Reclining Seat Coaches.
Dining Car.
Coffee Shop Car.
Pullman Sleeping Cars.

Observation-Lounge.

Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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[passengerfan]

GREAT
NORTHERN
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Great Northern Railway received its first streamlined sleeping cars beginning in December 1946 for America's first new full service streamliner following WW II the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Each of the five new EMPIRE BUILDER streamliners was twelve cars in length between Chicago and Spokane. The sleeping car section of the new EMPIRE BUILDERS comprised five cars, two PASS series 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. Two GLACIER series 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars and One RIVER series 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 seat Lounge Observation. The new EMPIRE BUILDER was inaugurated February 23,1947 between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest. The inaugural train departing from St. Paul consisted of the following cars and power. The train had departed from Chicago earlier that day behind Burlington power.

500 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1100 30' Railway Post Office Baggage Car

1110 60 Revenue Seat Coach

1120 48 revenue Seat Leg rest Coach

1121 48 revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1122 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1140 WATERTON LAKE 10 Seat lounge 10 Seat Lunch Counter 19 Crew Dormitory Car

1150 LAKE SUPERIOR 36 Seat Dining Car

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1171 AHERN GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 16 Seat Lounge 11 Seat Lounge Observation

The above cars marked as (Chicago - Portland cars were forwarded to and from Portland by the SP&S Railway from Spokane. All other cars were Chicago - Seattle cars.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1946 - January 1947 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS

1162 DAWSON PASS

1163 PIEGAN PASS

1164 LOGAN PASS

1165 TRIPLE DIVIDE PASS

1166 LINCOLN PASS

1169 SWIFT CURRENT PASS

CB&Q

1167 CUT BANK PASS

1168 RED GAP PASS

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4108 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER

1171 AHERN GLACIER

1172 GRINNELL GLACIER

1173 HANGING GLACIER

1174 MANY GLACIER

1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1176 SEXTON GLACIER

1177 HARRISON GLACIER

CB&Q

1178 SPERRY GLACIER

1179 SIYEH GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q

1194 MARIAS RIVER

In January 1950 two additional PASS series sleeping cars were delivered for EMPIRE BUILDER service. One of these cars was owned by the GN the other was owned by SP&S.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot 6883 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1180 STEVENS PASS

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6828 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

SP&S

700 INDIAN PASS

The above two cars were actually the first of eleven new lightweight stream-lined cars built in anticipation of all new 15 Car EMPIRE BUILDERS to be inaugurated June 3, 1951. These eleven new sleeping cars were for the older EMPIRE BUILDERS to create a sixth consist. This would permit the six sets of the first streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS to become the new WESTERN STAR another Chicago - Pacific Northwest Streamliner operating on a slower schedule to replace the heavyweight ORIENTAL LIMITED. Pullman Standard delivered eight GLACIER series sleeping cars in December 1950. The new WESTERN STAR trains would leave the mainline westbound at Havre, Montana and run southwest to Great Falls Montana. The train would then depart Great Falls in a northerly direction and rejoin the mainline at Shelby Montana. The GN would operate three of the new GLACIER series cars as dedicated St. Paul - Great Falls Sleeping cars 1181 KINTLA GLACIER, 1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER, and 1183 HUDSON GLACIER. The new WESTERN STAR would become the train of Glacier National Park, as it would serve the park both eastbound and westbound in daylight hours. The WESTERN STAR would carry many extra Pullman-sleeping cars in the summer months from tour operators and railroad charters to and from the magnificent Glacier National Park. Many of these foreign sleeping cars running to the park would be set out at Glacier and serve as sleeping quarters for the passengers visiting the park. Later these sleeping cars would be picked up by the WESTERN STAR at Glacier or in many cases the cars may have been moved to Belton where they were picked up. Belton was the west entrance to Glacier National Park and Glacier was the east entrance to Glacier National Park with both entrances on the GN mainline over Marias Pass just 57 miles apart. For a number of years the WESTERN STAR carried extra sleeping cars to and from Glacier National Park that originated in both the east and west so there was Pullman Sleeping cars traveling in the WESTERN STAR in both directions. Those Glacier National Park bound cars that originated in California generally departed in the WESTERN STAR from Spokane while if the tour included time in Seattle the cars departed from Seattle.
In addition to dedicated GLACIER series sleeping cars between St. Paul and Great Falls the WESTERN STAR also carried overnight GLACIER series sleeping cars between Spokane and Seattle in each direction. The two cars designated as Spokane - Seattle sleeping cars were 1184 CHANEY GLACIER and 1185 PARADISE GLACIER. All of the additional GLACIER series sleeping cars and the one additional RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observation were GN owned. The new WESTERN STAR was inaugurated on June 3, 1951.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4108A Lot: 6890 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1181 KINTLA GLACIER

1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER

1183 HUDSON GLACIER
(St. Paul - Great Falls)

1184 CHANEY GLACIER

1185 PARADISE GLACIER
(Seattle - Spokane)

1186 PUMPELLY GLACIER

1187 TAHOMA GLACIER

1188 TWO OCEAN GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1197 PRIEST RIVER

The new fifteen car Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDERS entered service June 3, 1951 between Chicago and Seattle - Portland. Each of the new Mid-Century Empire Builders was made up of cars from Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry. The latter Company built the Baggage 60' Railway post Office cars, Baggage Crew Dormitory Cars, 60 Revenue seat Short trip Coaches, all feature cars (Diners and Lounges). Pullman Standard built the new 48 revenue seat leg rest Coaches, The PASS and RIVER series sleeping cars. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS were powered by EMD 3 unit sets of F units with 4,500 hp total. A typical EMPIRE BUILDER is listed below.

37 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

1200 Baggage 25 Crew Dormitory Car

1210 60 Revenue Seat Short Trip Coach

1215 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1216 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1217 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1240 G-N Ranch 14 Seat Lunch Counter 12 Seat Dining 18 Seat Lounge Car

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1370 ROGERS PASS 6 Roomettes 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1261 SUN RIVER 4 Sections 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES 36 Seat Dining Car

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1372 AKAMINA PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN 2 Roomette Buffet Lounge High Windowed Lounge Observation

There were actually three Roomettes in the MOUNTAIN series Observations. One of these was a Crew Roomette with fewer amenities than the other two; this was for the Lounge car attendant. The other two standard Roomettes were not sold to the public but one was for the Pullman Conductor, the other for the GN onboard Passenger Service Representative.

4 SECTION 1 COMPARTMENT 7 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard November - December 1950 Plan: 4181 Lot: 6889 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)
GN

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER

1261 SUN RIVER

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER

1263 MILK RIVER

1264 BAD AXE RIVER

1265 CHUMSTICK RIVER

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1267 SKAGIT RIVER

1268 MOUSE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER

1270 TOBACCO RIVER

1271 FRASER RIVER

1272 SPOKANE RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER

SP&S

702 SNAKE RIVER

6 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October - November 1950 Plan: 4180 Lot: 6877 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1370 ROGERS PASS

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1372 AKAMINA PASS

1373 SANTIAM PASS

1374 PARK CREEK PASS

1375 JEFFERSON PASS

1376 HART PASS

1377 STATE PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1379 BIG HORN PASS
1380 SUIATTLE PASS

1381 HAINES PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS

1383 INUYA PASS

1384 LEWIS AND CLARK PASS

SP&S

701 WAPINITIA PASS

Six of the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER Sleeping Cars were transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 with no change of number or names.

CB&Q

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER originally GN 1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER originally GN 1269 POPLAR RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER originally GN 1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS originally GN 1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS originally GN 1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS originally GN 1382 BLEWETT PASS

Between April and August 1955 the GN cycled each of the RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observations assigned to the WESTERN STAR through Pullman Calumet shops to rebuild the interiors. Originally built as 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Observations the cars returned to GN with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 6 Roomettes and 9 seat Lounge Observation. The car names were changed from RIVER series cars to COULEE series cars at that time. When the COULEE series cars were returned to the GN they were assigned to the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER to give that train more sleeping car capacity. The MOUNTAIN series cars the GN built for the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER were then assigned to the WESTERN STAR. The COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations are the only streamlined Observations operated by any railroad with Roomettes. The MOUNTAIN series Observations Roomettes were not sold as revenue space until years later in the combined WESTERN STAR/ FAST MAIL. The new Pullman Plan for the COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations was 4109K.

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE rebuilt April 1955 from 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 CORRAL COULEE rebuilt August 1955 from 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 ROCKY COULEE rebuilt May 1955 from 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q 1194 TRAIL COULEE rebuilt July 1955 from CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1197 PRIEST RIVER

Burlington owned PASS series sleeping car 1168 RED GAP PASS was transferred to GN ownership in June 1955. At that time the WESTERN STAR began operating with one less PASS series sleeping cars in each consist between Chicago and Seattle.
The six surplus PASS series sleeping cars were than assigned to a pool for the WESTERN STAR in summer season and the WINNIPEG LIMITED at other times of the year.
In 1956 GN returned GLACIER series Sleeping cars 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER and 1177 HARRISON GLACIER to Pullman Calumet for remodeling for WINNIPEG LIMITED service. The two GLACIER series cars originally built with 16 Duplex Roomettes and 4 Double Bedrooms returned from Pullman as Plan 4108K 8 Duplex Roomette 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 12 Seat Dinette 12 Seat Lounge Cars with new names and numbers as follows.

1198 MANITOBA CLUB originally 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB originally 1177 HARRISON GLACIER

The two new CLUB series cars were assigned to the WINNIPEG LIMITED. At that time the WINNIPEG LIMITED consists were carrying one GLACIER, one PASS, and one of the CLUB series cars in each consist.
The Great Northern was in a unique situation not enjoyed by many railroads in the early 1960's having first class revenues more than holding there own. The GN sleeping cars were traveling full in the summer seasons and not doing to badly in the winters. But 1962 stretched the railroad's passenger capacity to the limit. It was that summer of 1962 that Seattle had its first World's Fair and passenger volume soared to record levels for the duration of the fair. The one problem discovered during the fair was that the GN had a shortage of Double Bedroom capacity in the EMPIRE BUILDER consists. GN began to sense reluctance on many passengers' parts to book upper or lower section space. Maybe it was due to the lack of privacy offered by these accommodations that left these spaces as the very last to be booked after everything else was full. The GN decided to rebuild five of the EMPIRE BUILDER RIVER series Sleeping cars to increase Room space. The cars were returned to Pullman Calumet and emerged as Plan: 4181A cars. Built originally as Plan: 4181 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. After conversion the cars were 7 Duplex Roomette 1 Compartment 7 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. The five cars rebuilt to this configuration in 1963 were 1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER, 1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER, 1263 MILK RIVER, 1264 BAD AXE RIVER and 1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER. After the conversion the cars were assigned to through Chicago - Seattle service in the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Beginning in 1959 the Sleeping car space in the WESTERN STAR was sold at Coach fare plus a room charge in order to answer the NORTH COAST LIMITED Slumbercoach service. The GN only offered the service in the WESTERN STAR and it was a real bargain when one remembers that a typical Slumbercoach was set up for forty passengers. The GLACIER series sleeping cars were 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars with much more spacious accommodation for 24 passengers.
The Great Northern only operated lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in the EMPIRE BUILDER, WESTERN STAR and WINNIPEG LIMITED.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Another Pix to enjoy! [tup]

GN Empire Builder (1958) (www.trainweb.com)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[artpeterson]

This relates to a topic of the day several weeks' back, but I thought you'd enjoy it nonetheless! Wilbourne Cox, who took the photo, was a photographer by trade and one of the founding members of CERA. He did not identify the specific train, but the photo was taken at Winter Park in April of 1952.

Enjoy!

P.S.: Tom, thanks much for your guidance RE:photobucket!

[siberianmo]

Hey Art!

Nicely done!! [tup] Great looking loco and consist - love the livery . . .

Would love to use that Pix over at the bar next time we do a feature on SCL/ACL/SAL . . .

On a different note: You may want to check out "Our" Place on Sunday - for I'm going to Post the final Pix from our recently concluded Rendezvous in Toronto - there will be quite a few of interest to you and all other traction fans.

These Pix will not appear on this Thread.

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Hey Art ! Doing a little detective work that the train was all streamlined except for the RPO only one train it could be in April 1952 the West Coast Champion.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

One more GN . . . .

GN Empire Builder (1938) (fair use)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom Fine Picture of the Empire Builder with that magnificent P2 Mountain up front. Note the two streamlined cars in the consist these were Pullman Standard built in 1937 and seated 58 in reclining seats. They were numbered 938 - 949 and rode on six wheel trucks. They had riveted sides and were probably swmi-streamlined due to this fact. Postwar they were painted in the Orange and green scheme and assigned to the Gopher, Badger, and Cascadian trains. These deluxe coaches were ideal for passengers travelling between Seattle /Portland and Chicago. They were better than what was being offered by the North Coast Limited, or Olympian. The once weekly City of Portland operting from the Rose city probably offered as nice a coach seating but it was once weekly at the time.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

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PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #26

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Maine Central (MEC)


Headquarters: Portland, ME

Mileage 1950: 981

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 74 - Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,593 – Passenger cars: 42

Principal routes in 1950 (all within Maine, other than noted):

South Portland-Bangor
Bangor-Vanceboro
Bangor-Bucksport
Bangor-Calais & Eastport
Brunswick-Rockland
Portland-St. Johnsbury, VT
Quebec Jct., NH-Beecher Falls, VT
Lees Jct.-Farmington & Rumford
Newport Jct.-Dover-Foxcroft

Passenger trains of note:

Bar Harbor Express (Washington, DC-Ellsworth, ME)
Down Easter (New York-Waterville & Rockland, ME)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor)
Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Katahdin (Boston-Bngor)
Kennnebec (Boston-Bangor
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton, NH)
Penobscot (Boston-Bangor)
Pine Tree (Boston-Bangor)
Skipper (Boston-Bangor)

Note: B&M handled trains west of Portland to Boston. CN handled trains east of Calais, ME to Halifax,NS. The Mountaineer was a B&M train handled by MEC between Intervale & Whitefield, NH.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[artpeterson]

Hi Al -

Thanks for the ID on the ACL train, very much appreciated!

[artpeterson]

Hi -


Sorry to stray away from the topic of the day [again], but don't have any MEC scanned as JPGs right now. Here's another ACL shot by WB Cox, this time at Orlando in October 1954. Enjoy!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

So, Art you've found out first-hand that our "resident expert at the bar," 20 Fingers Al can and does provide some excellent results from his research efforts! [tup]

Nice shot of the ACL car #1058. Now that you're a PhotoBucket kinda guy - give us more! [swg]

I expect that we won't see too much on the Maine Central - but it was just the next one "up" on my exhaustive list . . . [swg]

Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check this out . . . .



1923 map of the Maine Central


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Since all of my streamlined car chapters combine the B&M and MEC guess I'll just have to post it that way.

BOSTON
&
MAINE

MAINE
CENTRAL
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al.

These two railroads operated many trains jointly so it was no surprise when New England’s first streamlined train to enter service was a joint venture of these two railroads. The three car articulated streamliner numbered 6000 arrived from the Budd Company in February 1935 and was almost identical to the Burlington’s PIONEER ZEPHYR. The articulated Shovel nosed Cab unit contained besides the Engineers Cab Baggage Room Buffet and 28 Coach seats. The three car streamlined train operated initially as the FLYING YANKEE and later served as the MOUNTAINEER, CHESHIRE as well as other schedules. The train set today is residing in a museum where it is undergoing restoration as this is written.

ARTICULATED SHOVELNOSE CAB BAGGAGE BUFFET 28 REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company February 1935 (Built for and assigned to FLYING YANKEE the name it carried)

6000

Both the B&M and MeC jointly purchased a total of 24 streamlined passenger cars for delivery between June and September 1947. These Pullman Standard built cars were identical for each road with each road owning 12 cars. There were four baggage 44 revenue seat Coach combinations, sixteen 56 revenue seat coaches and four restaurant lounge cars. The two B&M Baggage 44-revenue seat Coaches were numbered and named 3800 PURPLE FINCH and 3801 BLUE JAY. The two MeC cars were 540 LUMBER KING and 541 FOREST QUEEN. These cars lasted but a few years and were sold to other roads during the 1950’s.

BAGGAGE 44-REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard June-September 1947 (Built for and assigned to PINE TREE, FLYING YANKEE, KENNEBEC and general service)

B&M

3800 PURPLE FINCH

3801 BLUE JAY

MeC

540 LUMBER KING

541 FOREST QUEEN

TTFN Al

[artpeterson]

Well, Al's helped me before on ID'ing specific cars or number series at a given time in the life of a particular car, so I've come to appreciate his input immensely.

Give me a heads-up about what upcoming themes of the day will be and I'll see what I can do about getting a few more JPGs done to supplement your coverage.

I know you've touched on BR and SNCF, etc. What's the feeling about the Pullman-built streamlined cars for the Paulista? As for the Paulista's "Little Joes," have only one dupe of one of them near the end of its operating life, but do have originals of their electrics modeled on the NH locos. Let me know if this would be of interest, and I can post some scans next week.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Al B&M "works" quite well with MEC - good job! [tup]

Art Anything you wi***o come up with will be just fine 'round this Thread - I'm going to be away for about 8 to 10 days beginning next Tuesday . . . so have at it! [tup]

We have so many "themes" over at the bar that we use this Thread as a "relief valve" - kinda a "2nd Chance" thing. Permits the guys who put so much effort into their Posts to at least get a bit of "credit" for the hard work. Also, we are trying our best to attract new guys for our bar . . .

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Found some Pix for the MEC . . . here's one!

Maine Central (MEC) E7 #708 mail train - Bangor, Maine
(foto: Larry Goss)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

BOSTON
&
MAINE

MAINE
CENTRAL
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The B&M/MeC introduced the Northeastern United States to their first streamlined train in February 1935. The new train delivered by Budd was nearly identical to the first Burlington ZEPHYR delivered in 1934 except the three car articulated streamlined train delivered to the B&M/MeC had no RPO Compartment. Instead the Power unit had a Control Cab – Engine Room – Baggage Room – Buffet and 24 revenue Coach seats. The center car that shared a common truck with both the Power Unit and the Observation was a 60-revenue seat Coach. The third articulated car had 32 revenue coach seats and a 20-seat lounge Observation. The train was simply numbered the 6000 and operated initially beginning April 1, 1935 a daily Boston-Portland-Bangor-Portland-Boston –Portland-Boston service named the FLYING YANKEE. In this daily operation the new train ran 730 miles daily. Over the years of operation the Budd built streamliner would wear the names of several trains in the Northeast. It would later operate between Boston and Bethlehem, New Hampshire as the MOUNTAINEER, between Boston and White River Junction, Vermont as the CHESHIRE, and later still as the MINUTE MAN between Boston and Troy, New York. Fortunately for rail historians and others the 6000 resides today in a New England Museum for all to see and enjoy, as this is written the train is being fully restored to operation before return to the museum.
The B&M purchased a large number of the so-called American Flyer cars before WW II both in Commuter Coach versions with high density seating capacity and in more conventional, coach seating arrangements. The first delivery of the 84-revenue seat Coaches arrived in March 1935 numbered 4585 – 4594. They were assigned to a General Passenger pool and could be found operating in just about any train leaving or arriving in Boston’s North Station. The cars would not necessarily be in the same consists together but were more likely to be found mixed in with older heavyweight cars.

84 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard (Osgood / Bradley) March 1935 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

4585 – 4594

Later that same year the B&M received twenty-one 98 seat Commuter coaches built to the same American Flyer design, but more than just commuter cars during periods when the cars were not serving commuters the cars could be found operating short distance regular runs returning to Boston in time for the evening rush hour.

98 REVENUE SEAT COMMUTER COACHES Pullman Standard (Osgood / Bradley) April – June 1935 (Built for and assigned to Commuter Services and short distance trains)

1200 – 1220

The B&M would return to Pullman Standard for an additional twenty 84-revenue seat American Flyer Coaches in 1937 numbers 4595 - 4614. Identical to the earlier cars they were assigned to the General Service Pool and even saw duty in Commuter trains.

84 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard (Osgood / Bradley) September – November 1937 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

4595 – 4614

The B&M and MeC purchased twelve cars each following WW II to equip the postwar FLYING YANKEE, KENNEBEC, and PINE TREE. Each road purchased two Baggage Coach Combinations, eight 56 revenue seat Coaches and two Restaurant Lounge Cars. All of these postwar cars were numbered and named.

BAGGAGE 44 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard June – September 1947 (Built for and assigned to FLYING YANKEE – KENNEBEC – PINE TREE)

B&M

3800 PURPLE FINCH

3801 BLUE JAY

MeC

540 LUMBER KING

541 FOREST QUEEN

56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard June – September 1947 (Built for and assigned to FLYING YANKEE – KENNEBEC – PINE TREE)

B&M

4800 BOBOLINK

4801 ROBIN

4802 HUMMING BIRD

4803 BLACK BIRD

4804 BLUE BIRD

4805 ORIOLE

4806 CHICADEE

4807 SNOW BIRD

MeC

240 ALAMOOSOOK

241 WEBHANNET

242 KATAHDIN

243 PARMACHENEE

244 SAGDAHOC

245 ABENAKI

246 KINEO

247 PASSAMAQUODDY

24 SEAT RESTAURANT 18 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard June – September, 1947 (Built for and assigned to FLYING YANKEE – KENNEBEC – PINE TREE)


B&M

70 BALD EAGLE

71 HERMIT THRUSH

MeC

15 MERRYMEETING

16 ARUNDEL

The B&M would purchase a set of Talgo cars and a pair of power units one located at each end for Boston – Bangor service but like other Railroads that operated this or similar equipment it was retired in quick order after there January, 1958 delivery.
The postwar cars of B&M and MeC for use in the FLYING YANKEE, KENNEBEC, and PINE TREE were all retired and sold to other Railroads by 1960. The B&M became the largest operator of Budd Rail Diesel cars purchasing all models of the cars except the RDC –4. The B&M was the only purchaser of the single engine RDC-9 model from Budd. Since two excellent books have been written on the RDC in recent years and it is not the scope of this book to cover the RDC we will list the types and road numbers only of the Budd Rail Diesel Cars purchased by the B&M.

RDC-1

6100 – 6155

RDC-2

6201 – 6214

RDC-3

6300 – 6306

RDC-9

6900 – 6929

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some RDC Pix . . . .


B&M RDC-1



B&M RDC-2



B&M RDC-3


Note: foto credits unknown


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A finale MEC Pix . . .


Maine Central (MEC) F3A #672 - Bangor, Maine
(foto: Larry Goss)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

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PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #27


Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)


Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper

BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer


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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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[passengerfan]

NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The NYNH&H better known as simply the New Haven served Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts with service to New York City. The New Haven provided a large volume of passenger trains along their routes mostly connecting Boston with New York City.
One of the first streamline trains in the Northeast was the BESLER built by the New Haven from two old coaches. The streamlined two-car train was double ended with a shovelnose control cab at each end. A Besler steam power plant provided the power for the two-car train, the only application of this power in the US for passenger service. The first car contained a control cab followed by the Besler steam engine room which consumed 8’ of the car followed by a 12’ Baggage Compartment and the remainder of the car was occupied by 64 revenue Coach seats. This car was numbered 9210. The other car seated 88 and also had a shovelnose cab. Controls for the opposite end in car 9211 were pneumatic from the 9210 car.
The Besler provided a 317-mile service daily beginning each morning in Waterbury. The schedule was as follows : Waterbury – Bridgeport – Hartford- Bridgeport – Waterbury – Bridgeport – Waterbury – Bridgeport – Waterbury.
The New Haven purchased no other streamlined head end cars before WW II and after the war purchased 20 cars that had a small Baggage Compartment in combination with Parlor and Lounge seating. These twenty COUNTY class cars were built by Pullman Standard at the Worcester, Mass. plant and were built to the so-called postwar American Flyer design. All cars carried a name as well as number. Cars 200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY, 201 SUFFOLK COUNTY, 202 BRISTOL COUNTY, 203 DUKES COUNTY, 204 ESSEX COUNTY and 205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY contained a Baggage Room 2-Day Roomettes, 1 Drawing Room, Buffet and 31 Lounge seats. They were assigned to such trains as the Boston – New York – Washington PATRIOT, SENATOR and COLONIAL initially.

BAGGAGE 2-DAY ROOMETTE 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 31 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1948 (Built for and assigned to PATRIOT – SENATOR – COLONIAL)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLK COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

The New Haven received two parlors numbered and named 206 PUTNAM and 207 NEW LONDON COUNTY at the same time that contained Baggage Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Day Roomettes Buffet 28 seat Lounges. These cars were built for assignment to the ADVANCE MERCHANTS LIMITED.

BAGGAGE 1 DRAWING ROOM 2 DAY ROOMETTES BUFFET 32 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1948 (Built for and assigned to ADVANCE MERCHANTS LIMITED)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

Two similar cars with Baggage Room 1 Drawing Room 2 Day Roomettes Buffet and 28 Lounge seats were built at the same time for assignment to the MERCHANTS LIMITED. They were numbered and named 208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY and 209 KINGS COUNTY.

BAGGAGE 1 DRAWING ROOM 2 DAY ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1948 (Built for and assigned to MERCHANTS LIMITED)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

The remaining ten cars with Baggage Compartments turned out at that time were built with Baggage Compartment 2 Day Roomettes 1 Drawing Room Buffet 14 parlor Seats and 11 seat Lounge. They were numbered named 210 KENT COUNTY, 211 WASHINGTON COUNTY, 212 ULSTER COUNTY, 213 TOLLAND COUNTY, 214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY, 215 QUEENS COUNTY, 216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY, 217 WINDHAM COUNTY, 218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY, and 219 BRONX COUNTY. These ten cars were assigned to the BAY STATE – MURRAY HILL – YANKEE CLIPPER – GILT EDGE – PURITAN and 42ND STREET to name but a few of their assignments.

BAGGAGE 2-DAY ROOMETTE 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 14 SEAT PARLOR 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1948 (Built for and assigned to various New York – Boston trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

In February 1953 the New Haven returned 206 PUTNAM COUNTY and 207 NEW LONDON COUNTY to Worcester where they were originally built to be remodeled. The remodeling removed the Baggage Compartment from these cars and replaced them with two more Day Drawing Rooms that could be opened ensuite if needed. These two cars could then be used mid train or anywhere else in consists after the Baggage Compartments were removed.
In October 1953 the New Haven returned four additional parlor cars to Pullman Standard Worcester to have the Baggage Rooms replaced by two-Day Drawing Rooms. These cars were 204 ESSEX COUNTY, 205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY, 208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY and 209 KINGS COUNTY.

For the New Havens Electrified commuter territory operated between New York and New Haven the road purchased a large number of MU cars. Seven of the Electric MU cars were built with Baggage Compartments and coach seating for 70. They were delivered by Pullman Standard in June – July 1954 numbered 4670 – 4676.

MU ELECTRIC BAGGAGE 70 REVENUE SEAT COACH COMBINATIONS Pullman Standard June – July 1954 (Built for and assigned to New York – New Haven trains)

4670 – 4676

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

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G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #18

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the RDC’s from Budd from a 1953 advertisement found in my personal collection.

40 RDC’S FOR THE PROGRESSIVE NEW HAVEN



If anybody should know how to carry passengers profitably it’s the New Haven. Nearly half its income is derived from this source in contrast with most railroads where freight is king.

This adds significance to the fact that the New Haven has become the largest purchaser of Budd RDC’s – stainless steel, self-propelled, rail diesel cars.

In the nearly three years RDC’s have been operating in this country and abroad they have compiled an impressive record. In performance, they have improved every schedule they were assigned to. In operation they have proved both reliable and economical – two RDC’s saved one railroad $600,000 in a year. In the comfortable, air-conditioned service they render, RDC’s have increased passenger patronage – one RDC, operating in a new service between Worcester and New London, picked up 944 passengers in its first week.

Both New England and the New Haven will benefit from expanded RDC operation.

The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary

Budd
PIONEERS IN BETTER TRANSPORTATION


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Tom[4:-)][oX)]


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[Anonymous]

I believe the Boston to Halifax Gull was operated by Canadian Pacific from Calais to St. John and Canadian National from St. John to Halifax, not CN all the way as Siberianmo indicated.

Another notable Maine Central train was the East Wind, a summer-only all coach train operated for a few summers before WWII and after WWII by PRR, NH, B&M, and MeC. It operated from Washington to Bangor and was noted for its canary-yellow and silver coaches.

[passengerfan]

NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD
Streamlined Observations
by Al

The NYNH&H owned but two lightweight streamlined Observations. Both were built by Pullman Standard at the old Osgood Bradley plant in Worcester, Mass. to the postwar American Flyer design that featured fluted stainless steel side panels. These were the only two lightweight streamlined Observations ever built in this plant. The two New Haven cars were numbered and named 475 WATCH HILL and 476 BUNKER HILL. The two cars delivered in June 1949 featured interiors with 36 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 28 seat Lounge Observation. The two cars were constructed for the only all parlor streamlined trains in the U.S. the MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston and New York. Shortly after the two Observations entered service the MERCHANTS LIMITED added coaches. The two Observations were withdrawn from the MERCHANTS LIMITED in April 1954 and were modified for mid train use with an adapter fitted to the Observation end and diaphragm installed. Thereafter the two Observations operated as Tavern Lounge cars in Commuter service.
Both cars were transferred to the Penn Central in the merger and continued in Commuter service.

36 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR 28 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed) Pullman Standard June 1949 (Built for and assigned to MERCHANTS LIMITED)

475 WATCH HILL

476 BUNKER HILL

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'Nite!

Thanx for the participation today, Al [tup] [tup] New Haven is one of my all-time favorites! [swg]


A note to the anonymous "contributors" on this Thread:

I normally do not respond to anyone who doesn't have a "profile" or an E-mail address - exceptions of course as appropriate to the Post(s) concerned.

All material Posted by me contains references where possible. The "Fallen Flag" series of Posts are from written works, cited therein. They are "period pieces" and are in no way designed to be all-inclusive. For example, name trains running during a given period are not the only trains that particular railroad operated - just the more notable for the times shown. Further, some name trains were jointly operated by a host of railroads, which may or may not be shown in the offerings - a choice of the book's author.

Constructive criticism is always welcome as are points of order submitted in a civil manner - backed up by reference(s) of course.


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

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PASSSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #28


Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Bangor & Aroostook (BAR)


Headquarters: Bangor, ME

Mileage:

1950: 616
2000: 433

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 46

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,646 – Passenger cars: 2

Principal lines in 1950 (all in Maine):

Searsport-Derby-Fort Kent
Brownville-Brownville Jct.
Northern Maine Jct.-Bangor
Derby-Greenville
Old Town-South Lagrange
South Lagrange-West Seboois
Oakfield-Phair-Presque Isle-Van Buren
Van Buren-St. Francis
Squa Pan-Stockholm
Mapleton-Presque Isle
Caribou-Limestone
Phair-Fort Fairfield

Passenger Trains of note:

Aroostock Flyer (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)
Potatoland Special (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)


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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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