G'day Cap'n Tom!
Not much to offer for the Milwaukee Road - not one that I'm all that "up" on - however, should young James happen by, my guess is he'd be all over it.
So, here's my little something to end the work week on:
You gotta love it!
Until the next time!
Lars
G'day!
Figured young James would jump all over the Milwaukee Road - but he's been rather scarce over here. Good to see him at "Our" Place, however, and we'll let it go at that!
A bit more on his favorite road:
Tom
Milwaukee Road, huh
My humble offering . . .
Milwaukee Road #54
G'day Tom, I see another holiday shopping frenzy is now officially upon us. Hopefully the casualty rates from friday are not as high this year as last. Nice to see more Budd information on going, always a good read Well a couple more traction shots from me again today.
The museum's classic open car TRC 327 back in Toronto running in the classic streetcar parade marking 80 yeasr of the TTC. Seen onn the Corner of Yonge and Bay
The museum's running line up starting off the summer season of 2003. From front to back TRC 327, TTC W28 ( 1917 blt rail grinder ) TTC 2424 ( lg Peter Witt blt 1921 ) TTC 2894 ( sm Peter Witt blt 1923 )
TRC W4 railway flatmotor ( construction car blt by the TRC 1904 )
TCR ( Toronto civic Railway ) car number 55 the musuem's second car as seen on the museum's 50th aniversary July 10 2004 ( car was built in 1915 and is a sister to W28 formerlt TCR 57 )
enjoy Rob
Good afternoon again everyone. i trust that you all are enjoying your thanksgiving fests and the associated after dinner naps. here's a few more traction shots to provide a little visual relief.
Third avenue railway car presrved at Rockhill trolley museum, in Rockhill Ill
Lowell Mass transit museum's road route in Lowell.
Our Museum's large witt 2424 painted green for NJ transit during it's 2003 sojourne to Toronto where it was staring in the Movie The Cindarellaman with Russell Who lol
Rob
Morning Gents, Tom I do indeed remeber those shots, goods ones' to see again sir thank-you Unfrtunatly 4600 is in the sickbay at the moment. silly goose refused to run on our two October halloween nigth shows ( ground relay and limiter on the MG set failed ) an easy fix but a long job if you know what I mean, the entire MG unit needs to be removed cleaned and rebuilt ,<ugh>.Mind you that PCC is 54 yeasr old so it's allowed. LOL Neat shots form Lars as well Montreal's metro is about to recieve some new equipmnet as well, still going to be rubber wheeled but oh well at least it's still electric transit Couple more shots in keeping with the transit theme.
two shots of our musuem's linecar 45 and L&PS 8 being used as a "train" in 2005 while 8's pans were being refurbished so she couldn't provide her own propulsion, she's now back and running again.
Museum's second car Toronto Civic Railway #55 on one of it's rare trips outside the display barn sept '05
another shot of 4600 in service sept '05
Museum's rarity air electric PCC 4000 TTc's first a 1938 cancar product in service sept '05
G'day Tom and Lars. well still plugging along, to bad we can't get any more nibblers.Oh well we can't say that we haven't given the old try.thought that I would pop in with another small contribution to this side of the forum.Nice ongonig pix and info from You Lars and James Some PGE/BCR stuff for everyone to enjoy.
PGE RDC at Quesnal BC 1950's
BCR RDC seen at the North Vancouver Yards in the 1970's
PGE Mikado # 163 also at North Van though in the 1950's looked alot different than the precedding picture. All shot from the OERHA collection shooter unknown.
Nice try Lars, but it's most evident we're not going to get any meaningful dialogue 'round here. I'll keep a daily Post for a bit longer - then, who knows Thanx for the support!
Continuing with Posts from past Nostalgia:
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #62 Here’s something to enjoy regarding the California Zephyr from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection. Luxurious comfort at economy saving fares in new VISTA-DOME chair coaches. Feminine as a boudoir in the women’s lounge. Men’s lounges equally complete. Enjoy delicious meals and personalized service in the California Zephyr’s beautiful dining car. ”SCENIC-WAY” TO CALIFORNIA TAKE THE VISTA-DOME . . . . . . . . . . CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR . . . . . . . . . . Extra Pleasure * Extra Comfort * No Extra Fare “Scenic way” is right!” Only the amazing new California Zephyr gives you the double thrill of riding the most wonderful train in the world right through America’s most wonderful scenery./ And what a way to see it! The new VISTA-DOME way! Now you can look ahead . . . look up . . . look down . .l . look everywhere . . . while you glide in luxurious comfort through the magnificent Colorado Rockies and Feather River Canyon in daylight hours . . . Utah and Nevada by starlight or moonlight. Your choice of low cost VISTA-DOME reclining chair coaches or new type Pullman accommodations, drawing rooms, bedrooms, roomettes and sections. Through sleeper daily between New York and San Francisco. NEW, FASTER DAILY SCHEDULES WESTBOUND (Read Down) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . EASTBOUND (Read Up) . 3:30 PM Lv – Chicago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 1:30 PM 11:59 PM Lv – Omaha . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 4:55 AM . 1:19 AM Lv – Lincoln . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 3:40 AM . 8:40 AM Lv – Denver . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ar 7:00 PM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Colorado Rockies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1:53 PM Lv – Glenwood Springs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 1:35 PM 10:25 PM Lv – Salt Lake City . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 5:40 AM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Feather River . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7:00-11:00 AM . . . . . . . . . . .Canyon . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2:00-6:00 PM 12:28 PM Lv – Sacramento . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 12:50 PM . 1:34 PM Ar – Stockton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 11:53 AM . 4:00 PM Ar – Oakland . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Lv 9:44 AM . 4:50 PM Ar – San Francisco . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lv 9:00 AM BURLINGTON * RIO GRANDE * WESTERN PACIFIC Enjoy! Tom
I'm having a "bad 'puter day" and not sure if this will even get out. Anyway, I've always wondered about the Overland Route. Perhaps one of those who browse this thread can drop some info on us. Yeah, I know I could look it up doing a web search - but the idea of this thread is to generate dialogue, not just post stuff on a one way basis.
Would be nice.
Here's a bit of Nostalgia from earlier Pages . . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #61 Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) in a 1933 advertisement from my private collection: The trail to “Wonderland” Union Pacific serves 15 of our National parks and more of the famous scenic wonderlands of the West than does any other railroad. Plan now to see the west this summer. We suggest: Zion-Bryce Canyon . . .Yellowstone-Grand Teton . . . . . .Rock Mountain-National Parks . . . . . . . . . Colorado California and Hawaii . . . Pacific Northwest and Alaska . . . . . .Western Dude Ranches . . . . . . . . .Hoover Dam All costs are down. Rail fares are the lowest ever offered. Sightseeing rates, hotels, meals – in fact, all expenses are reduced. UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OVERLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Enjoy! Tom
Greetings Cap'n Tom!
Amazing what info lurks out there in the ether, just waiting to be "plucked." So, we're discussing the NYCs M497 RDC again, huh Always good to rehash this, either here or at the bar. Isn't a first for us.
Amazing that a rail speed record of over 183 mph was set back in 1966. The problem with something like that is always infrastructure and utility. Regarding the former, just how much of a run could a train make in today's world given the grade crossings and the like throughout the U.S. Only dedicated rights-of-way would make sense for high speed rail of any type. Then comes the utility of it all - where would the stations be placed in order to make it all worthwhile Can't have 'em running between New York and Boston, let's say, without any intermediate stops. For each stop, the utility of it decreases, thereby reducing the realistic application of the technology. Just wouldn't be cost effective in trying to recoup the costs associated with building it all, then drastically limiting use. A conundrum in the first degree, I'd think.
See ya at the bar!
James, that RDC3 with the jet powered engine is a most famous experiment run by the New York Central. Here's some background info . . .
New York Central RDC3 #M497 The NYC was actively seeking to find a way to draw ridership back to rails back in the 1960s.They invested heavily in three experiments:1. The GM Aerotrain2. The Xplorer3. Testing whether the (then) present-day tracks could handle high-speed passenger traffic. This is where the M497 comes into play. The B-36-H jet pod was installed to provide sufficient thrust to get a rail car moving at or above 180 mph for purposes of the test. This was the least expensive way to accomplish the goal. Wind tunnel tests were conducted at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland and the pair of jet engines were purchased on the surplus market from the good old USAF. After the test, the engines were used for snow blower research, so the investment was well made. This was an engineering effort all the way. Some have erroneously labeled it as a PR stunt. The most important thing learned was that the tracks COULD accommodate high-speed travel without special preparation. So, the test proved just what was hoped. After its moment of glory the M497 went back to Cleveland, where it was dismantled. The torque converters were reconnected and the seats restored. It returned to its Quotidian life as an NYC commuter car. After the tests, M497 spent it's last years as a pedestrian RDC3 running on the Hudson Line between Poughkeepsie and Harmon for Metro North. As of a result of the Penn Central Merger (1968) M497 was renumbered No. 97, and renumbered again in 1969 as No. 98. It was maintained in Croton Harmon N.Y. and usually used on upper Harlem and Poughkeepsie runs. It was sold to Conrail in May 1976. The ex-M497, ex No. 97 actually was signed over to MTA as No. 98 but never ran for MTA. The car was shopped and cannibalized and retired in Dec. 1977. After sitting ignominiously in the deadline surrounded by the weeds of Croton East yard for seven years, it was finally scrapped by Metro-North in 1984. - per Hank Morris The New York Central's jet RDC RDC3 #M497, set the US speed record at 183.681 mph in 1966, in an experimental run between Butler, IN and Stryker, OH. The September issue of Smithsonian's Invention and Technology mag (right in the back) has more about the jet tests. The only practical result of this car was the jet snowblower now used in Buffalo. (Bob Scheurle, author)
The NYC was actively seeking to find a way to draw ridership back to rails back in the 1960s.They invested heavily in three experiments:1. The GM Aerotrain2. The Xplorer3. Testing whether the (then) present-day tracks could handle high-speed passenger traffic.
This is where the M497 comes into play. The B-36-H jet pod was installed to provide sufficient thrust to get a rail car moving at or above 180 mph for purposes of the test. This was the least expensive way to accomplish the goal. Wind tunnel tests were conducted at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland and the pair of jet engines were purchased on the surplus market from the good old USAF.
After the test, the engines were used for snow blower research, so the investment was well made. This was an engineering effort all the way. Some have erroneously labeled it as a PR stunt. The most important thing learned was that the tracks COULD accommodate high-speed travel without special preparation. So, the test proved just what was hoped.
After its moment of glory the M497 went back to Cleveland, where it was dismantled. The torque converters were reconnected and the seats restored. It returned to its Quotidian life as an NYC commuter car. After the tests, M497 spent it's last years as a pedestrian RDC3 running on the Hudson Line between Poughkeepsie and Harmon for Metro North.
As of a result of the Penn Central Merger (1968) M497 was renumbered No. 97, and renumbered again in 1969 as No. 98. It was maintained in Croton Harmon N.Y. and usually used on upper Harlem and Poughkeepsie runs. It was sold to Conrail in May 1976.
The ex-M497, ex No. 97 actually was signed over to MTA as No. 98 but never ran for MTA. The car was shopped and cannibalized and retired in Dec. 1977. After sitting ignominiously in the deadline surrounded by the weeds of Croton East yard for seven years, it was finally scrapped by Metro-North in 1984. - per Hank Morris
The New York Central's jet RDC RDC3 #M497, set the US speed record at 183.681 mph in 1966, in an experimental run between Butler, IN and Stryker, OH. The September issue of Smithsonian's Invention and Technology mag (right in the back) has more about the jet tests. The only practical result of this car was the jet snowblower now used in Buffalo. (Bob Scheurle, author)
from: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/train_notes.html
G-day Tom and all present!
Time for some New York Central photos.
Now if you thought that the lightning bolt livery was bad, get a look at this.
Photo from: www.trainweb.org/railpix/acelatest1.html
Now this is a budd car on Steroids! Look at the size of the jet engine on that thing! I think this thing would lift off without the weight it has. I think they intended to get to destination in a certain amount of time, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm getting the idea that if you were on a platfrom when this thing went by.......... That wouldn't be pretty. But what ever the case this is one cool looking... Budd car. I don't know excatly what they were doing, so maybe someone here knows a little more info on this, than I do. I will do a little more research but any info is appreciated.
Happy railroading
James
That lightning bolt livery is tooooooo much! Great looking, eh Thanx, Lars . . .
Now for something from the past pages of Nostalgia:PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #60 Here’s something to enjoy regarding Great Britain’s LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY in a 1933 advertisement from my private collection: BRING HISTORY TO LIFE IN ENGLAND Visit ancient York with its 1300-year old Minster; and Durham where likes the Venerable Bede, who died as he dictated the last words of the first translation of the Bible. Wander through the historic streets of Lincoln – headquarters of a Roman Legion during the Occupation – and Norwich, once the second city of England and still preserving many relics of medieval times. Visit Litchfield Cathedral renowned for its three beautiful spires, and put yourself back in the Middle Ages at Warwick Castle. See the old walls and picturesque streets of Chester. Look down from the battlements of those might castles that Edward I built at Caernarvon and Conway, and see what a task he had to conquer heroic Wales. Every country of Great Britain speaks to you of your own ancestors. Travel through those countries by L M S and L N E R to the places you must have longed to see every since you first read a history book. Illustrated Pamphlet from T. R. Dexter – Vice-President, Passenger Traffic, (Dept. A 34) L M S Corporation, 200 Fifth Avenue, New York City. H. J. Kitchgin, General Agent, (Dept. A 34) L N E R Railway, 11 West 42nd Street, New York City, or from your own ticket agent. L M S LONDON MIDLAND & SCOTTISH RAILWAY OF GREAT BRITAIN LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY OF GREAT BRITAIN L*N*E*R Enjoy! Tom
Man oh man have I had a difficult time of it today with logging on and remaining on the forums. It's been well over an hour since I posted over at the bar, then suddenly - gone. Don't get it - no problems with other sites in the ether.
New York Central, my favorite road! Let's see what I can find . . .
NYC E8A - Photo credit: Corel Corp.
Continuing thanx to Lars 'n James for supporting this Thread . . .
Another from our Nostalgia from earlier Pages!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #59 Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection: Easy Does It . . . when the family goes New York Central Easy on Dad! No traffic to tire him. No white line to watch. When New York Central does the driving, he’s free to read, nap, or enjoy the wonderful Water Level Route scenery that parades past his big picture window. Easy on Mother, because her mind’s at ease about the youngsters. Not back-seat fidgets. No frequent roadside stops. Everything the children need is right at hand. And they couldn’t be safer at home! Easy on the Kids! They don’t have to stay put in their seats. There’s plenty of room to move about. And there’s the extra thrill of those famous New York Central meals in the diner, with their own, thrifty Children’s Menu to choose from. Easy on the Budget! Round-trip coach fares are low. And special Family Tickets cut them so much as 50% or even more. Ask your New York Central ticket agent all about them. . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . The Water Level Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Enjoy! Tom
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