Hi Tom and all.
As it is just before noon I'll have a cup of your plendid coffee and a bacon roll please RUTH
Server problems ( not me for a change) yesterday meant I was unable to call at the bar for what was one of the best days. I have read all the great posts, Many thanks TOM for the Canadian Encore and those great Heralds, CM3 for the New York- Montreal train info,LARS for the video covers, DOUG that great loco 6400, looking superb for its Royal Train duty.
BK Thanks for the info on the different types of RDC and the photos.Good to see you again JAMES and liked the CP photos.
MIKE I have often wondered about Prince Edward Island, as a youngster I saw the Jubilee class loco bearing the name at Chester station, the loco was in immaculate Ex works condition and the memory of it has stayed with me over 45 years. Thanks for the wonderful history , and of course the great links, I found the one saying about the station closures sad though. Have you heard the Ballad of St Annes Reel by the Irish duo Makem & Clancy?It starts.
"He was stranded in the tiny town on fair Prince Edward Island.
Waiting for a ship to come and find him".
Well ROB I though you would have some great posts and I wasn't disappointed, Looking forward to part two of the Passenger ops of the CP. It would be wonderful to have travelled the Imperial /Trans Canada Limited in its heyday. Great Ads, not sure about the pun though.
I must say I loved that pic of the semaphore signal NICK, as you say a thing taken for granted but now disappearing, and congrats LARS on being the one to start page 400 and have post 8,000.
I have read in Steam Railway that a part of Canada is to have steam again as the White Pass & Yukon is extending their line to Carcross fromWhite Pass. Not such good news is that two of Western Canada's railway structures are under threat of demolition, one is a roundhouse at Victoria and the other is a trestle at Koksilah . I hope they can be saved. For more info on the trestle there is a link
http://www.kinsoltrestle.ca/.
TOM I have just seen your new post so I will sit back, have a Bathams and read it .
Pete.
So, what's your Page
A new pick-up line at "Our" Place . . . .
Page 1 - passengerfan Al - April 12th, 2005 "Charter Member" - 2nd customer
Page 1 - trolleyboy Rob - April 12th, 2005 "Charter Member" - 4th customer
Page 1 - West Coast S - April 14th, 2005
Page 1 - coalminer3 CM3- April 14th, 2005
Page 5 - nickinwestwales Nick - April 27th, 2005
Page 7 - ftwNSengineer red P - May 3, 2005
Page 46 - barndad Doug - July 12th, 2005
Page 68 - pwolfe Pete - August 8th, 2005
Page 105 - jlampke John - September 11th, 2005
Page 110 - BudKarr BK - September 16th, 2005
Page 161 - wanswheel Mike - November 13th, 2005
Page 217 - LoveDomes Lars - January 11th, 2006
Page 322 - EricX2000 Eric - May 5th, 2006
Page 396 - CMSTPP James - September 19th, 2006
My "gift" for reaching Page 400 and 8,000 Posts!
Tom
Good afternoon Ruth nice to see you again. I think a mixed sub and a nice cold Keith's would be lovely right about now thanks
Well, let me just say again what a wonderfull outpouring of info yesterday. And let me also echo Tom's thoughts on what a shame that more people don't partake in all the fun and info round this joint.I shall try to limit myself to one really bad pun a month. I couldn't resist that one though my fingers just wouldn't stop
Tom-I like the whats your page gift. Puts everything into perspective. Nice to see that most of our core has been online with us in one form or another,since quite early on. 5x for all the continuing support from all our people and critters real or imagined It is testiment to our fearless leader and his gang of merrymen that we are still chugging along on most cylnders every day.
Nice snapshot of railway histroy for september as well Tom. Lots of firsts and lasts of a sort.Speaking of the lasts, there still is a plaque and a satue of Jumbo in St Thomas today, not far from where he "caught" his last train.It's one of those stories that hasn't succombed to the mists of time.I also know many of the crew on the Trillium Rail Port Colbourne branch, many are friends and most are model rr'ers. All of their trackage is former NS&T territory as well, some of it still rides on long abused Algoma made trolley rail !
Pete-I'm glad that you got your machinery to settkle down this morning.That's quite the url for the peservation of the that bridge.The more people that put pressure on the locals the better I would assume.As for the live steam in the west , I know that the West Coast Museum that now owns Royal Hudson 2860 have had a couople successfull, stationary firings of the rebuilt boiler and flues, if all goes well and she passes the govt. inspections 2860 should be back hauling excursions next spring,which is wonderfull news as it's been years and milliomns of dollars of restoration that's gone into the locomotive.
Well Ruth I think another Keith's and a round is in order, thanks. Ring it loud oh cyclops of cyclopses !
Rob
CLASSIC DIESELS # 32 PASSENGER TRAINS OF THE CPR PT 2
Okay as promissed part 2 of the short histry of CPR passenger service ( ther's more info out there but I'm not writing a book, I'll leave that to the more talented ! )
We left off at the 4 each way of trancontinental service last night which peked in the early 1930's.Only one of these named trains survied to continue service after the second world war.This was THE DOMINION .remenants of the old IMPERIAL did live on as the unnamed trains 1 and 2 between Montreal and Vancouver. There were two trains known as THE DOMINION One ran bewteen Montreal and Vancouver ( trains 7&8 ). The other serving Toronto ( trains 3&4 ).The Toronto section had the US conections at Moose Jaw, this was onofficailly known as the Soo Dominion .Which was operated by the Soo Line between Portal and St Paul, and by the Chicago & North Western bewteen St Paul and Chicago.
The year 1944 represented the all time peak in passengers carried by the CPR, they handled 18,461,000 soles ( this does not include wartime troop trains, alot of these were ent along the CNR )Here's the other few notable years.
An interesting note to is that in any year, most pasengers carried by the CPR did so by coach.Trains that carried forst calss equipment,sleeping cars for overnights and parlour cars for shorter day trips ccontinued to decline in numbers.When one looks at today's rail travel options this accounts for why so little first class service remains.Duirng the war yeasr the CPR ran some important name trains in the east as well.The november 1944 timetable shows two daily trains in each direction from Montreal to Saint John NB. Trains 40-42 eastbound, and trains 39-41 westbound.All of these trains carried sleepers, with trains 39 & 40 carrying a buffet - parlour car between Montreal and Megantic PQ( this is the point where this route crossed into Maine )Some of these cars operated through to Halifax via the CNR. CPR's route to halifax required a ferry, but the ferry did not carry rail cars.
The other important eastern train serving Saint John was The Gull.This originated on the CNR at Halifax. The CPR took it over at Saint John as far as the McAdam NB / Vanceboro Maine boarder crossing, it then ran along the Maine Central to Portland and the Boston & Maine to Boston. ( Imagine all those timetables having to match up ! )
The CPR's Nova Scotia sudsidiary the Dominion Atlantic Railway, also had it's own first calss train service which caried both parlour cars and dinners.This run ran between Halifax and Yarmouth NS as trains 95 & 98 one in each direction.
Between Montreal and Boston trains were run jointly by the CPR and the Boston & Maine throughtb the roads connection at Wells River Vermont.travellers could choose between the daytime Alouette which offered a buffet parlour & observation car or they could take the overnight Redwing. which ran three cpmpartment one drawing room buffet observation cars.As well as twelve section, two double bedroom sleepers.
In the Quebec-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Windsor corrodor ( still the busy VIA route )CPR/CNR had pooled their passenger sevices since te early 1930's.Most of these trains were coach only, but here were still several full service first calss trains as well.Trains 357-358 bewteen Quebec and Montreal departed daily at midnight,with sleeping cars and coaches.Thes had a slow schedule and ran their 178 mile route with arrival at their destinations at 6am. In Montreal sleeping car passengers were :kept on the train until 7:45 and in Quebec City 8:00 am.Four trains a day operated in eacg direction between Montreal and Toronto two on CNR two on CPR.With two departures from Montreal at 11:00pm on each route.Both of these evening trains carried sleeping casr and coaches for the 330 mile route.The CPR edition of this train #21 ( Chicago Express ) had sleepers fopr Hamilton,London,Detroit,& Toronto. they returned eastbound on train 22 ( The Overseas )arriving back at Montreal windsor station at 7:45am.Two ther nemed trains served this route as wellThes wree the Canadian and thr Royal York.The irony of these trains wree as follows The Royal York operated westbound from CN's Montreal station and eastbound into CPR's this ment that it did not directly serve the CP Hotel of the same name.The Canadian ran westbound from the CPR and eastbound to the CNR Montreal terminuses.This name was pulled in 1955 for the CPR's new dlx transcontinental.The sleepers that ran along the corridor between Ottawa and Tornto, and Toronto and Detroit and onto the NYC to Chicago on the NYC Michigan Central affiliate.Thes sleepetr services ended in either Toornto or Hamilton and were run by the TH&B with connections to both of it's owners the CPR and the NYC.
That's enough for now look for part 3 tomorrow.
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth, let's start off with a JD on the rocks and see where we go from there . . .
What a fine present left to us by Da Boss! 5- Salute to you, Sir! If there's a "gold mine": around here, 'tis you, Captain Tom! The things you keep coming up with to include and interest one and all is simply amzing - many thanks!
In checking that list, I see the "Gang of 10" plus 4 - which accounts for the active and not-so-active here at the Bar by the Ballast. The dates are of particular interest - aside from being a "great" pick up line <yeah, right!> - in that some of them are a bit surprising. I'm a relative "new comer" in comparison with the rest of "youse guys."
Outstanding series being run by trolleyboy Rob with the CP passenger railways historical info. Good reading and I'm looking forward to more . . . 5 Salute to you, Sir! What's not to like about this place, huh
In reading that September Canadian RR history provided by our Mentor - Tom, I learned something - didn't know Jumbo the Elephant met his demise that way. Not good, not good at all. All in all, another interesting factual submission, which is my guess can be found only on this Thread!
Wondered what kept you away, Pete - but always happy to have you aboard! Things are not the same 'round this joint without our resident Wolfman and it shows! If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were a school teacher - given the way you devour the words posted on these pages. Nothing - and I mean nothing - gets by you. A compliment, Sir, in all respects!
Don't worry about the e-mail, James - it's a "moot point" now - nothing to be concerned about. Glad to see that you're finding your way amongst the characters in this bar. I too add my positive note to those B4 me and welcome your enthusiasm to our gathering.
So, where IS EricX2000 Eric His last post said he'd be back in mid-September - here we are nearly into October. Don't suppose one of those absolutely lovely Swedish babes got hold of him, do ya, huh, huh, huh We can only hope! Been quite a few decades since I last pulled into a Swedish port - and there are some mighty fine remembrances . . . but NOT for posting!
Well, Tom - don't know what in the world to say regarding what appears to be the "news" in Major League Baseball these days. As you so aptly termed it - the collapse of the Cardinals is the talk of the day. We only get what is presented, whereas you have a much more in depth knowledge of things. Surely appears as if your team is staying in those games - not as if they are getting blown away. Nevertheless, a 7 game skid at this juncture ain't good.
That reference to the '51 Dodgers really brought home some memories for me too. I know we've discussed that here on the Thread way back when . . . long time "Bums" fan too and it was difficult to take, wasn't it
Ok - Boris, ring the bell, and Ruth please serve 'em up whatever their preferences - drinks on the Larsman!
Until the next time!
Lars
G-day Tom and all at the bar.
Rob- Snow... Making a contest sounds like fun. Had about 8 feet last year between December and March. Now thats snow.
Thanks for the comments on the pics I posted Pete. I will try my best to post more pics and atleast give a small explanation given that "If" I know the information. Don't be discouraged though. Canadian railroads I am not completely associated with even though I do like the trains up there. Passenger especially!! I wil take on anything that is part of the theme.
Lars- Thanks for the welcoming. It encourages me to come back here and see what has been going on lately. Everyone has been helpful. So thanks.
Ruth- If you could be so kind as to get me a cappaccino, I would greatly appreciate it.
Now lets get on to the Pics!!!!
Picture from: www.nps.gov/stea/oploc.htm
Picture by: Does not specify
There is no greater sight than a steam locomotive!!!
I am done for now.
Happy railroading!!
James
Well good evening fellow tipplers-I trust we are all well...?
Leon-A bottle of Staropramen for me please,a round for the house,some change for Herr Wurlitzer and a selection of chips,nuts and other munchies for any that favour such distractions.
Right-a 3 parter tonight,first up ,several days worth of acknowledgements which I am honour bound to catch up on,with a couple of midweek model picture postings to follow,so without further ado :-
TOM-Nice work on the TGV network,that Avignon station is some piece of work-one doesn`t have to be a fan of modernist architecture to appreciate the scale & drama of the place-interesting contrast between the Thalys & Eurostar units also. The French have certainly layed out the ground rules in terms of sleek & stylish machinery..........
DOUG-Good to see you -lovely looking buildings around Woodstock and some fine pix of the C.P in Vermont,nice one !!
LARS-Good call on the B+O-Royal Blue & vintage steam -sorry your teams are not coming thru-take heart-you could be a Welsh rugby fan,the only teams they have a hope against are.....ahhh,better stop right there
PETE-nice traction pix mate !!-those 185`s look very slick & sleek, think I mentioned,we had a `50 in NSE livery down here the other week pulling the `Castle` special-sadly got neither number nor pic as I had both arms full of kids at the time and Chrissie couldn`t reach my camera . Nice to see the `47`s enjoying a new lease of life--I do indeed remember Thunderbirds-my fave prog as a kid- slight digression-I always felt that T/B 1 had a lot of the Hawker `Harrier` about it & T/B 2 was what the Lockheed `Galaxy` would have looked like in 50 years time...............Nice pics of that "fairly fast" German pacific-might have been faster with the pipework inside the casing eh ? -Jubilee a design classic-nuff said -also,brilliant Irish URL`s the other day-a whole evenings entertainment there
TOM again-fine shots of the VIA,having now seen the thing in action on the DVD set I have a greater appreciation-looked to be from the same timeframe-certainly had the `Revelstoke Park` on the tail-will check the numbers on the `F` units`-indeed,I was keeping an eye out for you and Carol during the interior shots.......
BK-(& LYDIA) nice rundown on Thanksgiving-something I should know more about, given that my sister and other relatives are Toronto residents
JAMES-Impressive shot of that electric lash--up-I bet they had a `brown-out` across half of town when that started moving-also,let me be the first to wish you for friday
CM3-Impressive work on the D+H (as always)-as has been said before,you have a gift for the use of language-nice one.
TOM (again-and why not) interesting display of heralds-I`m sure the omission of the O.N.R/T.N.O was a subtle & deliberate ploy to draw me out........... The `events` during september section provided some fuel-the Royal train between To. & Allendale is due for an a re-enactment ( In my parallell universe this is the section of line over which my S.O.B (Southern Ontario Bridge) lines operates)-will have to invest in a `mountain` & a set of heavyweights for the historical society .....
LARS-(again)-interesting selection of vid & book covers-if I was allowed a credit card,I would be reaching for it...........
DOUG-(again)-A fine theme submission-Canadian steam,R.D.C`s & The Canadian all grist to the mill. As to the sign-we have an equivalent over here reading :-"Do not throw stones at this notice"-believe they were fixed as ancilliary signage on posts near to public rights-of-way
MENTOR GAZETTE NEWSFLASH-Miss Idaho will be making a (necessarily brief) public appearance at `Our Place` fish & chip night tomorrow-first come,first served.....................................................
JAMES-(again)-Love those VIA `F`s-and was that steamer C.V ?-couldn`t get it large enough to tell,background looked right for it...
ROB-How are you dear boy ?-nice pix back-up to CM3`s D+H piece and excellent C.P.R spread..-Surely,bad puns are the ONLY ones worth bothering with ??? -P.S-loved that E Mail today-ring of truth or what............
MIKE- A fine workout on P.E.I-have only had time to cherry-pick so far but will be back for the rest asap
Right-I think thats me up to date--Leon,set `em up my man-we have a way to go yet-lets get this in the box and go for a photo trawl
back in a bit
nick
O.K-part two,picture time.
As it`s model day,how about a selection from the model village at Clonakilty in County Cork....
As previously mentioned ,this is built to 1:24 scale and depicts the various towns served by the West Cork Railways,a broad(5`3") gauge system with the main line running from Cork`s Albert Quay stn out to Bantry on the west coast with a number of branches running down to various south coast towns.
For reasons unknown,the railway section is built using L.G.B narrow gauge stock running on PECO track.
The system is formed of three loops of track,each running two trains and featuring stations on the route:-
One loop features Clonakilty stn & Ballydehob viaduct (with passing sidings at each point ) and has a (now disconnected ) branch joining it to loop 2- Bandon (another passing track) and Albert quay,where a pair of crossovers join to loop 3-Kinsale Junction (another passing track) and back to Albert Quay.
All the main stations have yard tracks which are not connected to the main-whether for financial or operating reasons I dont know -If the various tracks were installed ,a fairly interesting point-to-point operation would be possible........
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Here we have Clonakilty on loop 1-the original was a terminus-I suspect this incorporates elements of Clon Jn...
On the other side of loop 1,we have Ballydehob viaduct-the original was on the Schull & Skibereen narrow gauge line and was single track--Irish logic,accept no substitute...
And here is the real thing-the clouds were the only ones we saw all week-almost beyond belief.
Train on the Bandon loop-the foreground track is the branch from loop 1
Bandon,loop 2
Kinsale Junction-loop 3
Albert Quay-the heart of the system-the two cars lurking beneath the overall roof are some of a batch of brass models built by the original model maker attached to the site-A lifelong employee of Inchicore works,he sadly passed away before being able to see his dream fulfilled..................
So-a little piece of south-west Ireland brought into your living rooms
back in a bit with part 3-Leon,more drinks please-looks like we are competing with the 3-way track gang pool tournament in the back bar-it will end in tears,mark my words.............
G'day Gents!
Glad to know that my "Pickup Line" met with the satisfaction of trolleyboy Rob 'n LoveDomes Lars!
Visits from pwolfe Pete - CMSTPP James - trolleyboy Rob 'n nickinwestwales Nick brightened up our afternoon and early evening!
Nick - I got "burned" once regarding the Posting of a Pix where my bride was featured - ain't gonna happen again in the Ether. Don't need 'visits' from Kooks via Forum E-mail . . . . reported to Kalmbach, never got anything back. Lesson learned - if one wants to maintain a degree of personal privacy, use caution when on the "net."
Nice spate of Pix! Looks like you're enjoying yourself with this Pix-Posting that you've mastered.
Sure wish you'd "save" some for Sundays as we are really getting to the end of the line these days with Doug working two jobs - Rob being "in ' out" lately and Pete about to depart the scene for several Sundays. Please consider it . . . Anyway, a few here 'n there during the week is ALWAYS welcomed and encouraged - breaks up the monotony of narrative, eh
Regarding the Canadian heralds - somewhere in that Post should be the word "some" . . . no way meant to be all inclusive. However . . . .
and for Rob:
James - just "a point of order" - in one of your previous Posts, you mentioned being "here" for 15 pages - I think you overstated that, just a tad! Check the "list" I provided . . . Early wishes to you! There's a drink on the house awaiting you - and it better NOT be coffee!
Rob - regarding that "series" you've put together! Keep 'em coming . . . Looks like I'm getting the "bug" for a train trip (again)! Been thinking about a rail trip up to Gaspe (Quebec) that I've always thought would be an interesting voyage, especially while VIA Rail still uses the Budd equipment. They put them at the head end of the "Ocean" then the trains "split" at Matapedia - the "Renaissance" (Chunnel Chuggers) head to Halifax, while the "Chaleur" heads up to Gaspe. They use a "Skyline" dome car, a coach, and two or three sleepers for the consist. Turnaround is a couple of hours - so no sweat about being late - it's the same cars both ways. Something to think about for one of my "annual" weekend getaways . . . oh for the "good old days" of ridiculous air fares; NOW they are EXTORNIONISTS!
Lars - you are correct about the projected return of EricX2000 Eric from Sweden. I'd say your guess is as good as any - lucky devil!
Leon, set 'em up and Boris ring the ding . . .
Catch y'all in the 'morrow.
And so-from the sublime to the ridiculous-some pix of my train set-a modest pastiche of Ontario in a damp shed in Wales............contributed in the spirit of `modelling wednesday`
A hand painted (& wrongly numbered) GP35 eases onto the lumber yard spurs in the industrial district
GP9 yard goat drops a B+O `sentinal` boxcar
West Wales`s answer to `Our Place`-the Maple Leaf bar (currently awaiting refurbishment !!!)-Bradford GO train glides past behind,70 foot long autos outside
This is one from last week,writ large-F40PH with Budds heading north,F7 with tanks & flats awaiting the road into the balloon loop to follow them and GTW & B+O boxes awaiting yard goat for transfer
another one from last week-goat with O.N.R newsprint cars running up the bank from the industrial area to the metro interchange
A quiet corner.........
Spring madness "Run what you brung" weekend-specially for PETE
Right Leon -one last round,throw Boris a bone or two,find an extra blanket for Copperkettle and prepare a large flask of soup for H&H-they have the night run in the Zeppelin `Draig Goch` tonight...
See you tomorrow for fish & chips,take care,be lucky
TOM-crossed wires I think-It was the DVD I was talking about re Carol & yourself-p.s-plenty left for sundays
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Looks like Nick has a good time in Ireland. Interesting pics, specially the above depiction of the polar bear eating marshmallows in a snowstorm.
Pete, you certainly have an uncanny knack for zeroing in on the essence of things, like the closing of the stations in 1967. That was it exactly, CN had abandoned the rural communities the railway was built for. Thanks for the song title. I've heard of the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, from 40 years ago, if that's possible. Seems they disappeared when Ed Sullivan went off the air.
I don't know, probably Tuesday's theme is done to a crisp, but here's another pile anyway
Canadian Pacific Railway at Vancouver 23 May 1887
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Grand Trunk Pacific docks at Victoria, BC
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Canadian National
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Turcot Roundhouse in Montreal
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Montreal shops
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Montreal
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Winnipeg Symington Yard
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Moncton shops
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Port aux Basques, Newfoundland
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Newfie Bullet
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Alberta Coal train
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Saskatoon train and RDC
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Ocean Limited Halifax 1966
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Mike
As we approach week's end - why not spend a bit of time here at the Saloon by the Siding The Mentor Village Bakery case awaits, along with the best freshly ground 'n brewed coffee in the county, along with some fine selections from our Menu Board - <light> 'n <traditional> breakfasts.
Nick, you've provided some mighty fine Pix of real and model trains. Most interesting stuff throughout - that outdoor setup in Ireland is "something else" indeed! We'll have to be sure to hoist a few at the Maple Leaf tavern when in West Wales! Those 70 ft automobiles can only mean some rather "large" women frequent the place!
Looks like you've had a bit of difficulty with one of your Pix - suggest using the "edit" feature - that will get rid of the "blank" and of course provide us with the visual treat you have for us!
Check out this URL for Nick's elusive photo:
http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k218/nickinwestwales/?action=view¤t=2006_0916picton0022.jpg&refPage=all&imgAnch=imgAnch35
Ohhhhhh - though you were speaking of the VIA Rail Pix I had Posted many times back. Now I get it - have patience, Mate - gets this way when one approaches 70! <groan>
In light of our sparse turnout for last evening and this AM - let me simply say: Boris set 'em up with all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle.
Ooooooops, looks like Mike sneaked one in on us - more URLs to kick off our morning "read"! Polar Bear eating marshmallows in a snow storm! Now THAT sez it all . . . <grin>
Ruth takes the bar at 9 AM 'til 5 PM when Leon the Night Man comes in 'til closing.
Later . . .
Railroad Stations - Terminals & Depots
Number Four –
New York City’s Pennsylvania Station
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements.
Penn Station's underground Long Island Rail Road concourse
Pennsylvania Station is one of New York City's main railway stations, sharing the Pennsylvania Station name with several stations in other cities. Commonly known as Penn Station, it is located in the underground levels of Pennsylvania Plaza, an urban complex located at 32nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenues in Manhattan. Madison Square Garden is located atop the station. The name comes from its original owner, the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Penn Station is located at the center of the Northeast Corridor, an electrified passenger railroad line extending from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. The station is served by a number of passenger rail services including Amtrak (the station's owner), Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit and the New York City Subway, which does not actually share tracks into Penn Station, but has two stations at the eastern and western ends, with direct entrances in and out the concourse. PATH has a station at 33rd Street one block east on Sixth Avenue.
In 2004, Penn Station was the busiest Amtrak station in the United States by annual boardings with 4,367,553, more than double those of its nearest competitor, in Washington, D.C.[1].
The station is assigned the IATA airport code of ZYP. Its Amtrak station code is NYP.
History
Enabling
View from the northeast, circa 1911. The sheer size of the structure in comparison to the surrounding buildings is notable. Very little of this scene survives in modern Manhattan.
Penn Station is named for the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), its builder and original tenant. There could have been no Penn Station in New York City until the Pennsylvania Railroad's rails reached Manhattan. The 19th century PRR terminated across the Hudson River at Jersey City's Exchange Place terminal in New Jersey, where passengers bound for Manhattan boarded ferries for the final stretch of their journey. The rival New York Central Railroad's rails ran down Manhattan from the north, ending in its Grand Central Terminal in the heart of Midtown Manhattan.
The Pennsylvania Railroad, unsatisfied with this state of affairs, considered bridging the Hudson River (too expensive) or tunneling under it (too long to work with steam locomotives and too difficult to ventilate). The development of the electric locomotive and electrified railroad systems by the early 20th century provided a practicable solution to the latter problem.
On December 12, 1901, PRR president Alexander Cassatt announced the railroad's plan to enter New York City, tunneling under the Hudson and building a grand station on the West Side of Manhattan, south of 34th Street. The PRR had been secretly buying up the necessary land in Manhattan and New Jersey for some time.
The main waiting room, circa 1911: the Roman model was the Baths of Caracalla
Two single-track tunnels were bored from the New Jersey side, and in addition four single-track tunnels were bored under the East River from Queens to Manhattan, linking the Long Island Rail Road, now under PRR control, to the new station (see East River Tunnels). Sunnyside Yard in Queens would be the place where trains were maintained and assembled.
The tunnel technology was so new and innovative that the PRR shipped an actual 23-foot diameter section of the new East River Tunnel to the Jamestown Exposition at Sewell's Point on Hampton Roads, near Norfolk, Virginia in 1907 to celebrate the 300th anniversary of the founding of the Jamestown Settlement. The same tube, with an inscription that it had been displayed at the
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. I guess we’ll pick three: “Her Teeth Were Stained, But Her Heart Was Pure,” “She’s Looking Better After Every Beer,” and “I Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim’s Getting Better.” Wow! I thumped the jukebox and got an extra play today. So we’ll listen to “Velcro Arms, Teflon Heart.”
As for baseball, the meltdown(s) continue; lots of buzz here, of course, about the Mountaineers.
Things have calmed down a little bit, so here we are.
Mike – Thanks for URLs and PEI history.
Nick – Layout shots and model village – all interesting. At least you have a layout. As I have said b4. virtually all of my material is in boxes.
James – Steam picture and Canadian passenger material – than you.
Rob – Historical summaries are always appreciated. My dad will wax eloquent about the Alouette and riding it during wartime. I think I posted that story somewhere on this site. Also liked the shot of the PAs and the C628 on the D&H. Interesting part of the photo was the PAs running elephant style. Anyway, over the years I chased them from one end of the D&H to the other. I always liked trying to catch up with them around Mechanicville if only for the buildings, etc. that could be included in the picture. Saratoga was another good spot as there was room to get back from the tracks and get a good scenic picture; I do know I posed the story about being at Saratoga on a lovely fall day, seeing the Pas heading south and just as I got ready for the picture, the passenger train was met by a NB freight with a trio of C628s for power; kind of like falling face down onto the dessert table. I also photographed them at Albany. The station switcher there was an SW1 which had been quick dipped into the paint scheme of the company which our ‘steamed proprietor says we can’t mention. The NYC paint, however, had bled back through – made for some interesting pictures.
Pete – St. Anne’s Reel; one of my favorites.
Tom’s Time Line and heralds provide a nice set of reference material. Always was partial to the PGE herald.
Lars, books – Passing Trains is a good one
Last (but not least) what can I say about Barndad’s Canadian post and Miss Idaho. Yikes!
Here’s some SP information from 1961. This covers the Golden State Route. Awhile back I posted some material on the Sunset Route, so thought now might be a good time to add some more.
Trains 3 and 4 “Golden State”
Lounge Car (for Pullman passengers)
Chicago – Los Angeles
Sleeping Car (rtte/br)
Sleeping Car (rtte/br/compt./d-r)
Chicago – Phoenix: car originated either at Phoenix or Tucson from May 1-31 (every other day); then reverted back to originating at Phoenix.
Minneapolis – Los Angeles
Via CRI&P Trains 17 and 18 between Minneapolis and Kansas City.
Chair Cars (reclining leg rest seats)
Chair cars
Dining Car
Hamburger Grill Lounge Car
News agent service
Checked baggage
Trains 3 and 4 operated daily. They operated via CRI&P between Chicago and Tucumcari and via SP between Tucumcari and Los Angeles.
Train 3 departed Chicago at 1:00 p.m., arriving two days later in Los Angeles at 8:30 a.m.
Train 4 departed Los Angeles at 1:30 p.m. with a 12:30 p.m. arrival in Chicago two days later.
The Golden State was an extra fare operation.
work safe
P.S. I see where our 'steamed prorietor has posted material about Pennsylvania Station. We must look at this.
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!
A most interesting evening and morning here at my favorite saloon. Good cheer and good times continue with the labors from Sir Nick and his photo gallery - nicely done!
Ruth, we shall partake in two #3s from the Menu Board along with a steaming mug of coffee, with just a "splash" to make it interesting for me, and a pot of tea for Lydia.
With appreciation to my earstwhile assistant, I have found a web site whereby use of their photos are permitted, as long as due credit is given. In light of a recent admonition received from a forum Administrator to one of "our own" over on Captain Tom's "other thread," perhaps this site will be of use to several of you. http://www.imagescanada.ca/r1-249-e.html
(I urge you to review the "copyright" portion before using any of the photos. Additionally, I do not believe they want you to download them to this site directly - rather upload them to your photo storarage (Photobucket, etc) for further downloading. THAT from Lydia!)
Sir Tom, if I may - take that train trip - do it - and get it out of your system (temporarily!!)
I found the material provided for the "Theme" day to be of excellent quality and sufficient quantity to call the day a success! Nicely done to one and all who "took the time and made the effort" to make it so. (A quote attributable to our inimitible Proprietor!) Note that the Canadian railways interest is continuing on through the week, which is not all so bad!
A birthday tomorrow for our newest customer - James CMSTPP - and many more! Pehaps you will enlighten us just a bit regarding what part of the U.S. you reside in and what you "do" to make ends meet (employment). Please do not feel compelled to divulge anything too personal of course, but a little bit about yourself to help us get to know you would be nice. If anyone respects privacy, it is I - for several reasons. Have an adult beverage "on me" for your Natal Day!
A well done listing for the "Pickup line," Captain Tom! As only a sailor would know - ropes are not the only lines one may use to advantage! I imagine that it took a bit of time and effort to compile that index, one that comes in handy when trying to match up page numbers and dates - something the "new" search methods on the forums failed to provide.
In reading and re-reading the postings, it appears as if Sir Nick has done a bit of "housekeeping," for I have not located that "polar bear" mentioned previously! I did manage to call up the "missing" photo, however, and thanks to our Super Sleuth, Captain Tom, we now know that one can run, but cannot hide!
Finally, your extravaganza on the Pennsylvania Station in New York City is a fine example of the type of material that attracted me to this bar and keeps me returning. Without making anyone feel less than a full participant, let me say that my preference is to view that which is relevant to our purposes here at the bar, rather than "flipping" back and forth from Url to Url. For some yet to be explained reason, seeing it here makes it seem more intimate and designed just for us. Another well done, Sir!
Best regards to my fellow "stoolmates" all!
I leave you with the following - stations that perhaps will never be "famous," but were (or are) part of the Canadian railway landscape:
International Railway Company Station and car siding - foot of Bridge Street, Niagara Falls, Ontario (Reproduced with permission from the ImagesCanada website - credit: Niagara Parks Commission)
Bridge Street, Niagara Falls, Ontario - VIA Rail Canada Train Station (Reproduced with permission from ImagesCanada website - credit: Niagara Falls Public Library)
"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out." --Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
Hope to return before the weekend . . .
BK in Alberta, Canada's beautiful high mountain country!
A pint of Bathams please RUTH amd some of NICK's Fish 'N ' Chips but NOT to be made from Miss Idaho as I don't want BORIS to be upset with me.
ROB Enjoyed Part 2 of the Passenger Trains of the CP . It is amazing how the CP was able to handle the double the volume of traffic in the war. If the railway had slimmed down its rolling stock, and sidings etc to the 1930s levels they would have been very hard pressed to cope. Good info on the sleeping car services,
It is a nice to see that poor Jumbo was not forgotten.
LARS Many thanks for the kind words. I think my old school teachers would not agree with you. There is so much great material at Our Place it is easy to read it all. Like you, I am looking forward to ERIC's return..
JAMES As you say there is no greater sight than a steam locomotive, even people with no interest in railways have to stop and smile if one goes by. for tomorrow.
I knew very little about North American railroads but thanks to Our Place and the magazines I am learning. I still have a great deal to learn on such a fascinating subject.
NICK.What a wonderful setting for the Clonakilty model railway. Great Irish figure on the platform in the first pic. What a treat it must have been to travel on those Irish narrow gauge lines in their prosperous years.
Great photos of your layout fine painting job on the Canadian diesels. I see the sign is covering the Bullied light pacific's number, which one is she..The English Electric type 3 ( class 37), always remind me of the South Wales railway scene. In 1968 I went on a South Wales shed bash which left Birmingham at some unearthly hour on a Saturday night, I shall never forget visiting small loco depots in the valleys on a foul night with heavy rain and the small rivers in full flow. each depot contained 3 or 4 class 37s ready for their Monday morning duties hauling coal from the many local coal mines that were about in those days. Of coarse the small loco depots and even the coal mines are no longer there indeed.
I am out of touch with Rugby Union lately but well remember when the Welsh side was about un-beatable in the 70s( as Max Boyce used to tell us English) . I have heard it said when the Wales side is strong Rugby Union is strong.
I'm glad that Thunderbirds brought some memories. Have you noticed how the futureistic large mobile cranes they had in the programme look like the ones of today.
MIKE . Another great set of Canadian links. Great pics of that large roundhouse and a impressive loco on the turntable. I would hate to think of the chaos that would be caused if their was a problem with the turntable blocking in the locos.
I have found some info on Makem & Clancy. There is a N. American connection I did not know about.Tommy Makem left the Clancy Brothers in 1969 and Liam Clancy left in 1973. Liam lived in Calgary Canada. Both of them were due to play solo in Cleveland in 1975. The were convinced to play together and the partnership was born.
CM3 Yes St Annes reel is one my favorites and thanks for the SP info. Are your photos on Slides . I will have to remember to bring mine over.
BK. Thanks for the link to the Canadian pics. I dont think that was one of Decca's better business decisions. I wonder what would have happened if they had join Decca would they have met George Martin.
TOM. September was a busy month for Canadian railways. I have looked at a website that tells of the loco Samson's history.
The Quebec bridge being lifted over the St Lawerence and falling on two days was a tragic event with the loss of life it caused.
Great idea on the Our Place posting history. It is wonderful to see four members from page 1, plus yourself of course still ( with Nick on page 5) so active at the bar.
Thanks for the link to Nick's great shot of # 5051, it must have sounded wonderful as well..
I am even looking forward to getting to Chicago if Union station is simular to the Penn station a very informative post. A real shame it was demolised. I have been through there when I had a 7 hour layover at Newark, I would haved loved to have been there in GG1 days.
Well let me get a round in.
Ruth my deAH, I'm so thirsty that my "quencher" thinks my throat has been cut! TWO frosty mugs of Schaefer if you please and slide those snack trays down my way . . .
Couldn't have picked a better railroad station to feature than that of New York City's famed Penn Station. Oh, the memories and oh the sorrow of so many fine trains no longer arriving and departing from that magnificent ediface. Always had the best of both worlds with Grand Central Terminal right "up the road" and all of THOSE wonderful trains as well. Born far too late in the game to fully enjoy all of it - then again, as I believe Tom has said - I would've been too &#%$ poor to have been able to travel the way the "gentry" did. Ahhhhhh, just the thought of it . . .
Certainly appears as if Nick has found himself a new "toy" and has immersed himself into the uploading/downloading pix game. Nice selections and I concur, that outdoor layout is quite the "thing." Good to see that your layout has at least one gin mill; you do know that Tom's Can-Am has a couple, huh
Just picked up on Pete's Post - good to see ya, mate and have one of those Bathams on me! Ruth, a full pint for the Wolfman! Well, you cudda fooled me - your teacher(s) should see you now! If you do get to Chicago's Union Station, my guess is you'll enjoy yourself. It really is not "like" the old Penn Station, however, it too is a marvelous place to visit. I'd recommend a walk around the outside - take in all of the sights - look over the protective walls down at the tracks - all of it. Then once inside, the perspective is a bit clearer. Unfortunately, these days taking pictures arouses all kinds of looks and stares. Of course no one but ticketed passengers are permitted on the platforms and then only when the boarding announcements are made. Pretty much the same as it has always been - but the security guys are out and about (ooot 'n abooot, for Rob! <grin> - speaking of . . . where is he THIS time - well even a broken clock can be depended upon at least twice a day, huh )
I see that my "bookend" BK was in and dropped off a couple of very intereting pix - also thanks for that web site tip. The more we can identify for our use, the better. I never did get a reply from the guy who complained directly to Kalmbach about me - but then again, didn't expect one. Picked up on that blurb a few posts ago that you'll be away over the Canadian Thanksgiving holiday - not that far off, so I see. So, with you and Pete gone - and perhaps Captain Tom riding those steel rails somewhere, things may be a bit slower in October than we seen lately. Anyway, you'll be missed.
CM3 I'm Not Shane! hasn't disappointed us in spite of having to put in some hours to earn his pay check! The things the boss expects, huh Perhaps that SP Golden State info will shake Left Coast S Dave out of the tree (again) - it's getting to the end of the week, so perhaps . . . . Enjoyed your post - and yes, that "Passing Train" is an excellent book; was given to me some years back as a gift from someone who thought I was still into trains. Wasn't then - am now (again)!
Getting back to Captain Tom and his 'wanderlust' desire to ride the rails - c'mon out east, mate - we could have a blast aboard anything north bound. Yeah, I know - flying is a royal pain in the patoot - doesn't matter what the destination, it's absolutely absurd what the fares are, the restrictions are, and the sheer exasperation of it all. Perhaps you could find something to satisfy your cravings right there in the mid-west. Doesn't the Texas Eagle pass through your town Think you mentioned that some pages ago . . . I remember when we were in Chicago's Union Station and listening to the train announcements - the Texas Eagle was REALLY late coming in - like about 7 hours. Noticed the boarding area for the outbound with St. Louis as a stop and thought of you. I still enjoy the Superliners and need to do a bit of research to find out what the status is of all those cars at Beach Grove.
Also, had the chance to really scrutinize that listing of the significant events in Canadian Railway history - some eye openers for sure, huh That span over the St. Lawrence that "dropped" on two successive days has to be some sort of a record, wouldn't you think
Nick - my sports teams are doing fine. Mets (baseball) are heading for the playoffs and should be favored to go all the way to the World Series. Giants (football) could be starting off better - won one, dropped two. However, they play 16, so it's a wait 'n see "thing." Know all about suffering through with losing seasons, though - no matter what the sport, it's never easy to suffer the pain of loss after loss, etc.
Ok - enough rambling from this quarter. I'll take ONE MORE, Ruth - then I'm outta here! Oh yeah, a round on me if you please - ring the bell, Boris!
Days end and time to settle in for another <yawn>. baseball game. Admittedly, this - the final week of the regular season - still holds a bit of mystery and lots of frustration for the Red Birds of St. Louis. Who wuddathunkit when all of this started out in April
So, what have we had today since my last Post Visits from what have become our dependables (no not the "senior diapers"! <grin>) CM3 - BK - Pete 'n Lars. Nice going guys and appreciate your taking the time and making the effort to keep the forward momentum! [tup] I think the comments along the way sum up nicely what each of you offered this fine day!
Regarding my "thinking out loud" I've put aside that notion to go off on a rail jaunt to Canada. In fact the suggestion made by Lars is precisely what I've been exploring. The Texas Eagle does pass thru here. Considering flying up to Chicago - board the "Eagle" to Dallas then return to St. Louis. That itinerary is half the cost of going north to Montreal and then northeast to Gaspe. Admittedly, I'd prefer those Budd cars - however, the Superliners aren't bad. The on-time performance is worrisome, however, but it just may work in my favor. I've never been one to be concerned about how much time I spend on a train - quite the opposite - the more, the betterER! It's the waiting in the station that gets old in a hurry. Seems that the north bound train is the one with the worst record for being on time; so at least I'd get to Dallas with sufficient time to catch the return train. Something to ponder . . . There's gotta be at least one watering hole nearby the station to "kill time"!
Leon, give them the drink of their choosing, and Boris ring the bell! Da Boss is retiring for the nite . .
[img][/img] Well good evening Gentlemen all-beers for all please Leon
Unlikely to make it home,so please wrap me in a blanket if you find me------ looks like a buffet supper for JAME`S birthday -H+H ,Copperkettle and Boris have worked very hard here-full marks all roumd
if anyboby has any spare `fridge space-please let me know.................................
take care guys ,nick
Good evening Leon, just one frosty Keith's for me this evening.
Lars-I haven't gone too far away <grin> I do have to pay the bills ( so they tell me ) I do work retail so it tends to drag me away from home longer and longer hours this time o year. Still it's good to be missed
Tom-Wonderfull piece on Penn station sir 5x for it fer sure fer sure. It certainly frosts my behind when I learn of beautifull old buildings succombing to modern office towers. At least the functional part of the station is still there.The rail sojourne to Gaspe sounded mighty fine, but you are right the new VIA pricing policy is boarderline piracy,not to mention the "Scare Canada" fares that you woukld have to endure as well.Still the Amtrak sojourne sounds like a winnah as well
Nick-QWhat a wonderful spat of photo's you dropped upon is yesterday.That outdoor layout in Ireland looks absolutly supurb . Your effiorts are just as nice as well sir. The GP35 looks quite smart in it's zebra livery who cares about the number,none of us will call you on the carpet for that.If anyone does you can always show them the door.Jame's birthday buffet looks downright edible.Cooperkettle must be rubbing off on H&H I didn't see any sort of saurkraut at all
BK-Wonderfull website that you have found there. thanks for sluthing it out It's a shame so few passenger trains still call at the Niagara falls bridge street station, only two Vias and Two Amtraks a day. I loved the old traction station shot as well. thaat would have been the meeting station for the Great Gorge Route, where the US side and the Candian side Niagara gorge cars met. If I remember from my reading the NS&T also interchanged US bound and St catharines bound passengers there as well.
James-It's froday already where I am so to you sir. Allow me also to aquire a beverage or two for you . I loved the CNR steam shot as well,nice typical light passenger power,and a beautifull shot at that too.Eight feet of snow you say yikes that beat me last year by a good 4 feet.You must have some good ski hills near you !
Mike-I didn't get all the way through your newest urls,but quite alot of good ones there thank-you
CM3-I'm glad you liked that photo I found,I imagine that passenger engines running elephant style is a bit unusual. One train a day through Brantford is usually so equiped. It has two sections one stops in sarnia and the other runs through to Windsor,but they operate jointly westbound from Toronto. Wonderfull bit of SP info sir. I'm sure that it will pique one westcoasters interest over the weekend.
Well I was going to drop part 3 tonight but I'm fading fast and my first attempt was a formatting failure so I'll have at it again tomorrow.
Boris ring the ding, see everyone tomorrow ( okay later today )
Good morning Tom and all. Only got time for a roll from the Mentor Village Bakery and then be on the way, but before I leave .... most impressive stuff from Nick these days. Very entertaining! HAve a great day everyone .. I'm off to tote the proverbial barge
Friday and the end of the work week (for many). The Mentor Village Bakery case awaits! Also, check out our Menu Board for <light> and <traditional> breakfasts . . .
A bit of activity last evening along with the "return" of Rob! Since when has "work" been a legitimate reason for not being at the bar You'll have to come up with a better excuse than THAT! [|(grimmace>
A goes out to CMSTPP James! Don't know how old, nor do we know very much about our newest customer - but perhaps we'll get some enlightenment along the way. Whatever the "year" - hope your day is a good one!
Brief visits from Nick 'n Doug - but visits just the same. Interesting Pix selections . . .
Rob, actually that round trip to Gaspe from Montreal isn't as ridiculously priced as the air fare from here to Montreal. Since VIA Rail uses the Budd equipment for the Chaleur (or so I am led to believe) the bedrooms (single) sell for reasonable rates these days. Hardly like those for the Ocean to Halifax in the Renaissance cars. Anyway, Air Canda - American - Northwest all have similarly priced fares so it comes down to schedules. Air fare is now approaching nearly double of what it used to cost for my bride and I to make that Montreal trip - just a year and a half ago! Extortion is the word that comes to mind. Still haven't made any firm plans - but it's "fun" to think about a rail trip . . . Amtrak is probably the selection of practicality, but hardly the choice of the heart.
Boris
Ruth comes in at 9 AM with Leon the Night Man taking the bar at 5 PM 'til closing . . .
Later!
Tom's Blast from the Past!
first Posted on page 193 PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #44 Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection. Come to Arizona on the swift “Golden State” – the only streamliner direct to Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs Smooth-riding, luxurious – Southern Pacific-Rock Island’s fast Golden State from Chicago via El Paso and Douglas is the only streamliner direct to Southern Arizon’a resort country and Palm Springs Pullman and reclining chair car. Moderate extra fare. Try this famous train on your next trip to Arizona or California. Through Pullmans from New York and St. Louis, P.S. Don’t forget that our Sunset Limited (New Orleans-Los Angeles) also goes direct to Southern Arizona and Palm Springs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S*P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The friendly Southern Pacific . . . . Enjoy! Tom
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lovely day here in the coalfields, damp and cool (temperature dropped 20 degrees in 30 minutes when the latest cold front went through). The K9 Korps enjoys it as there’s lots of things to explore in the yard.
A note to our ‘steamed proprietor. Pray for Tony....
Many thanks to all for their recent posts. The Penn Station material and more SP stuff today are most appreciated along with other folks’s comments.
I was prowling around some old Official Guides the other day in my never-ending quest for ORO information. Here are some short lines owned by the N&W.
Lorain and West Virginia Railway Company.
25 miles between Wellington and Lorain, OH. NOTE: This line was owned by the N&W.
New Jersey, Indiana, and Illinois RR Co.
11.4 miles between South Bend and Pine, IN.
“Freight shipments to reach the NJ<I&I RR must be routed Norfolk and Western Ry. to Pine, IN.
The next one many of you will probably recall, if only because of the “flour sack” logo which was on their boxcars.
Buffalo Creek Railroad (Erie Lackawanna and Lehigh Valley Railroad Co., Lessees.
“A terminal switching railroad serving waterfront and other industries, for carload freight only. Operates 5.66 miles with a total trackage of 34.22 miles and connects with all railroads in the City of Buffalo.
Its switching charges for road haul movements are collected by connecting carriers for whom the Buffalo Creek performs terminal switching service.
It receives from and delivers to all direct connections, without preference, providing the same series to industries located on the Buffalo Creek, as though located on the road of the line carrier.
Connection: B&O, E-L, LV, PRR, NYC, CN, C&O, N&W.
Santa Fe next week; already started on this.
Have a good one
Work safe
A wee bit early for me, however, we are planning a weekend away and there is a bit of time for me to drop by. Ruth, a #3 with a steaming mug of coffee with just a "splash" to make it interesting. Thank you!
A Friday it is and the weekend is about to descend upon those of us fortunate enough to take advantage of them. Of course, now that I am fully retired, weekends and weekdays somehow seem to appear alike. I believe Sir Tom had provided fair warning of that some time back.
I see the continuing dialogue regarding a rail journey for our 'steamed Proprietor. Dallas it may be Why not Just as long as you do not have to spend too much time there! No, no, no - only joshing as I have a few fond remembrances of that city from too many years ago. Regarding air fares, we are looking into "that trip" to "down under" and I would not want to send anyone into deep shock by quoting the air fares from Alberta to any of the major cities in Australia. Easily would approach time for a second note on the home for many. We do make it hard on ourselves in that we fly in the first class cabin, which of course ups the ante quantum fold. It is too long a trip to be jammed into coach class. No thank you. I would expect that there will be a significant decrease in air travel, in spite of what we are hearing, for the fares most defiintely factor in heavily when multiple family members are making the trip.
Someone had asked me, many, many pages back about "my" aircraft. I do not own one, I lease from whatever airport (and there are not too many) is most convenient. Looked into ownership and thought better of it. I would rather not be "married" to an airplane - far more practical for someone else to "feed and clothe" her.
"Pray for Tony" I know that is a private message from Sir CM3 to Sir Tom - however, it did catch my eye. You do come up with some rather intriguing railroad information and the association with the coal mining industry is most revealing.
Also noted the return of Sir Rob. You seem to be out more than in these days, but work loads and associated requirements are all part of what goes into supporting the wife, children, pets, hobbies and lastly - yourself! Just as long as you are not spending time elsewhere, I am sure many of us will give you the "understanding" you seek.
Glad you enjoyed those photos from yesterday. I KNEW you would pick up on the trolley stop! The Via station at Niagara is a grand looking place and somewhere way, way back, I seem to recall my father taking us all there from Toronto. Too far back for detailed information, however.
My "earstwhile assistant" has been doing a bit of research on a topic that was kicked around here a week or more ago. Recall that dialogue over the difference between "railway" and "railroad" that Sir Pete brought up and Sir Tom adequately answered. Then there was something posted whereby it was made a bit more definitive that railroad is the preferred term in the U.S. Well, perhaps that it not the case. Some enlightenment from Lydia:
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe was a RAILWAY
Burlington Northern - Santa Fe is a RAILWAY
Central Pacific was a RAILWAY
Northern Pacific was a RAILWAY
Great Northern was a RAILWAY
Texas & Pacific was a RAILWAY
St. Louis - San Francisco (Frisco) was a RAILWAY
Kansas City Southern is a RAILWAY
Southern was a RAILWAY
Norfolk Southern is a RAILWAY
Norfolk & Western was a RAILWAY
Georgia Central was a RAILWAY
Chesapeake and Ohio was a RAILWAY
and so on . . .
However, it does appear that more were RAILROADS than not. However, to imply that this is the norm is perhaps a stretch. Leave it to Lydia - details are she!
A bit more from ImagesCanada:
Canadian Northern Railway Station, Calgary, Alberta - 1913-1918.
(Used with permission from ImagesCanada - credit: Glenbow Archives)
Canadian Pacific Railway station, Coronation, Alberta - 1912.
(Used with permission from ImagesCanada - credit: Glenbow Archives) - 1912
Bon weekend everyone!
JAMES that looks a good spread NICK has prepared full marks indeed. A pint of the usual and a round please LEON.
Great to see you in ROB and DOUG.
CM3 Thanks for the short lines of the N&W. I find the Terminal & switching lines very interesting. There was no equivalent in the UK.
BK Great photos of the two Canadian stations. I did not know there were so many lines in the U.S. were railways, can you thank Lydia for the great info.
Just to make things worse, in England before there were railways proper, some of the early railways were called Tramroads and some Tramways. The only thing I can think of is from the early days the track was known as the Permanent Way. This was said to come from the finished track ready for traffic as different from the temporary rails the line builders used while the line was constructed. The men who repaired and generaly looked after the track were known as the P.Way gang.
Hope you have a good weekend.
LARS I could not understand what Pray for Tony was at first.
Thanks for the info on Chicago station, I am really looking forward to a visit there.
What you say about photography is sad but oh so true nowadays, I am reading in the British railway magazines the same thing is happening there with photographers being harrased at some stations. To think in the old days a polite request to loco depot foreman, especially on a Sunday, to have a look round was greeted with "OK, take care and come and see me before you leave" Of course some times it was not possible as the depot was busy or a boss was about. Even some of the major BR locomotive works gave conducted tours on a Sunday for a very small fee if you wrote away for a permit. It is very sad to say I think those days have gone to never return..
TOM. As you say the air fare increase on some routes defy reason.
For the rail trip what a great trip the through Pullman from St Louis on SP's Golden State to California would be as in your Blast from the Past.
Well I'll have another and try COPPERKETTLE's Steak.
Evening Gents!
I see that since my last Post of this AM, we've had our expected morning visits from CM3 'n BK - then an afternoon stop by Lars followed by an early eveing drop by from Pete. Pretty much sums it up . . . Thanx, guys!
CM3: Prayer won't get it - performance by the team will! What a dismal mess . . . game just began and we're already behind in the 1st inning. <arggggggghhh> On a more positive note, those short lines of the N&W are good conversation starters . . . Enjoy the time off and we'll see ya Monday!
BK: Great research from your "earstwhile" regarding the "Railways-Railroads" discussion! Kinda bolsters my contention that whatever distinction there may be, it has been pretty much lost over time.
Nice Pix, by the by! [tup[
I certainly share your attitude regarding traveling 1st class for long distance flights. Unless there is an urgent reason for air travel - I figure it's 1st class or I don't go. There are exceptions of course, as some routes simply no longer offer that accomodation (St. Louis to Halifax is but one example). Maybe I could talk you into flying down here and provide me "taxi" service to Montreal! Have a great weekend!
Lars: Received and responded to your E-mail. I understand your frustration, Mate. Hang in there, perhaps we have an upswing on the way - just have to "Take what we gets!"
Regarding the Mets - we should have such problems! Pedro has never been one of my favorites - he's on a "list" of many who I wouldn't let back into this country once they depart, with their US bucks, for other places. Having said that, his record on the field speaks for itself and the loss will certainly benefit whoever the opposition will be in the playoffs.
Why not just chill for the weekend and forget about the bar We'll be here on Monday - even if it's only the two of us!
Pete: Received and responded to your E-mail - thanx! Your attentiveness to the matters of the bar are most appreciated and welcome! You've never let us down - unless of course you take off for "Merry Olde" - but then again, that's something we cannot hold against you!
I'm going to have to review this business of "Copperkettle" - for I don't recall adding him to our list of employees in the kitchen!
Enjoy the weekend!
Leon, a round for the house - including the Track Gangs in the pool room - and Boris, ring that bell!
See y'all in the AM . . . .
Good morning Tom and all! Sure is good to get back to "the bar beside the tracks" every now and then. I'm working job#2 from 10-6 today, and get to goof-off tomorrow. Please set me up with a few light breakfasts, and I'll leave some Michigan quarters in the coal scuttle on top of the jukebox if someone wants to get 'er going. Sure has been interesting stuff during the last week, which has been the norm for Our Place since it's humble beginnings.
Sorry to have missed your B'Day James. Please accept a belated from me! Peter, are you planning a trip to Chicago other than for the 2nd OP Rendezvous? Enjoyed the station pix and RR info that BK and Lydia have been providing. It's so cool that the two of you study this hobby together. Speaking of which, very interesting photos from Nick these days. Loved the outdoor model RR and it was a special treat to see his personal layout. It was certainly a contrast to the type of layout I usually see in theses parts. Nicely done post on the PEI Mike and URLs related to our Canadian pasenger theme. Those winter pix got me shivering. Must compliment Rob on his excellent CPR history posts. Top notch stuff! The short line info from CM3 was appreciated. I also enjoy Shane's enhancemants and interaction to whatever subject just happens to arise here. You are a real asset to this thread sir! Compliment to manager Lars on his fine efforts at the bar. On the subject of taking pictures around railroad property, I've not been hassled in these parts, but I suspect that's because no one seems to be around when I'm doing it. Just a matter of timing I guess. I saved Tom for last. Thanks for the Canadian RR history post, the NYC Penn Station info, and SP nostalgia. Most excellent reading material from you as well sir!
Here's an ENCORE piece that originally posted in my failed thread from a few months back. I deliberately chose something frmo a warm climate, as I am in denial that we're experiencing colder temperatures these days.
Ghost Railroad of the Mojave by Alvin A. Ficklewirth, April 1942 RR Magazine
Once a resplendent combination car on the New York Central, this desert-beaten relic is now a pathetic souvenir of the almost-forgotten L&S
California’s vast Mojave Desert, noted for its scores of deserted mine towns, likewise harbors the remains of more forgotten railways than any other similar area in the nation.
At least that’s the impression you get from delving into the history of this dreary waste of sand, sagebrush and cactus, inhabited mainly by poisonous rattlesnakes, shy lizards and bright-hued gila monsters.
Narrow-gage, standard-gage, circular systems, rails that ramble off to nowhere, ending in the desert wastes – even an old monorail – dot the Mojave’s wide expanse. Wind-blown, sand-blasted remains of stations are found on the outskirts of virtually every ghost town, though some of them never got to serve a single train. Progress in the booming mine days sped so rapidly that it passed up many towns before the rails were laid. Rich gold and silver veins played out; unfinished routeage was abandoned.
Perhaps the most interesting and best preserved of these Mojave ghost lines was the old Ludlow & Southern, a seven and one-half mile stem built at the turn of the century to connect the fabulously rich Bagdad-Chase diggings with Ludlow, fifty-three miles east or Barstow, on the Santa Fe.
Competition in the mining and shipping of ore was at that time keen. The twenty-mule teams operating out of nearby Providence Town had already hauled some sixty million dollars worth of pay dirt, but in their mad rush to be first to the mills, operators sought a more efficient means of transportation. Old-timers tell of a curious steam tractor called the “iron monster,” which clattered over the desert from the Ord Mines to Dagget (next station to Ludlow on the AT&F) hauling three wagons in the smoke and dust behind it.
The more successful performances of the Borate & Dagget Railroad, a combination narrow- and standard-gage line built to supplement mule-train shipments from a neighboring mine, led the management of the Bagdad-Chase Company to project their own wavering streak of rust across the Mojave hills to the silver ribbons of the Santa Fe.
Originating terminal of the road was the sun-scorched desert town of Rochester, named with a grim trace of nostalgia for the cleaner, greener New York State metropolis which had once been the home of Mine President Benjamin Chase and his right=hand, J.H. Steadman.
A dozen cabins and tent homes dormitories, a café, company office, and newly built station – these and timber gantries that lay squat above the black mine shafts, were the substance of the town when the road’s first locomotive, a tall-stacked Baldwin ten-wheeler, whooshed in from the north, on her maiden trip from Ludlow. She carried a down-east designation of her own – the New York Central herald and the number 99. For that Empire State road, and more particularly its president, Chauncey M. Depew, was a heavy stockholder in Bagdad-Chase.
Behind the locomotive, soon to be renumbered Ludlow & Southern Number 1, trailed a flatcar with a stout tapered tank standing upright on its deck, directly above the forward truck . Eight feet in diameter, perhaps, and not quite so high, it stored a cargo more precious to the desert people than the ore that was soon to creek northward to the Santa Fe.
That shipment was water, hauled from the nearest source on the larger system, since no successful wells could be sunk in arid Rochester. Daily, thereafter, the company-built tank car made its circuit run. On your author’s desk, as he writes, lies a brittle yellow bill made out to the Ludlow & Southern by the AT&SF for water hauled at a cost of $1.55 per thousand gallons.
Besides the One-Spot and the tank, the company’s initial equipment roster listed two flatcars. This rolling stock, however, was soon to be buttressed by a colorful addition.
Around 1903, word reached the camp that a group of the mine’s stockholders, most of the New York Central men, were enroute to inspect their investment. Rochester had by that time been renamed Steadman, and was known as one of the cleanest run towns in the area; probably because the General Manager, E.H. Stagg, had brought his wife and three daughters there to live.
A capable operator, Mr. Stagg had already converted Bagdad-Chase into a plant that was paying dividends of $10,000 per month. One can easily visualize, then, the blend of curiosity and smug satisfaction with which the corpulent visitors from back east climbed down from their special New York Central combine coach to view this sand-blasted desert holding.
Some say that Chauncey Depew, himself, was a member of the delegation, and that the car was his private chariot. This latter contention seems doubtful, however, in view of the combine arrangement. In any event, Steadman’s citizens had never seen so magnificent a specimen of the coach-builder’s art. Ad
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