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[siberianmo]

ENCORE Saturday! - ENCORE Saturday! - ENCORE Saturday!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #7  (from page 134)

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (unknown origin – found at flea market; circa 1920’s)

HOTELS AND BOARDING HOUSES in the BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .along the
Washington and Old Dominion Railway

Name ……….……………….. Terms and other information

Bluemont, Va. ……….…… Located on mountain overlooking the Loudoun Valley;
… J.M. Moreland .………… modern conviences; excellent board. Rates on application.

… H. Rathbone Smith ……. Accomodations for several guests on large estate located
……………………………….. on mountain; meals at owner’s residence close to main
……………………………….. house; reasonable rates; references required.

… A. L. Longerbeam ……….. Best country board; terms moderate.

… Mrs. Millard Patterson …… Excellent board; chicken, milk, fresh eggs; home garden.
……………………………….. Terms $2.00 per day’ $10.00 and $12.00 per week.

… “The Heights” ……………. Modern conveniences; splendid home cooking.
… Mrs. T. P. Simpson ………. Terms moderate.
… Proprietress

… “The Loudoun” …………… Large lawn; tennis. Comfortable rooms, porches, etc.
… J. C. Beatty, Proprietor …… Terms: Single rooms, $15.00 per week; double rooms,
............................................. $12.00 per person per week.

Round Hill, Va.
… “Baldwin House” …………. Terms on application.

… F. P. Lowe ………………… Near town. Terms on application.

… E. L. Donohoe ……………. Terms on application.

… Fannie Wynkoop …………. Terms on application.

… Maud Wynkoop ………….. Terms on application.

… T. W. Best .……………….. Near town. Terms on application.

… Mollie Copeland .………… Terms on application.

… Edw. Finnell .…………….. Terms on application.

Purcellville, Va.
… “The Bell Inn ……………. Modern conveniences; plenty shade;
… Mrs. M. H. Beal …………. Lawn; garden vegetables. Terms $3.00
… Proprietress ...……………. per day; $30.00 per month.

… “The White Cottage” ……. Near town. Excellent table.
… Miss Rebecca Lloyd …….. Terms on application.
… Proprietress

… Mrs. E. Shoemaker ……… Near town. Large shady lawn; fresh
… R. F. D. No. 2 …………… vegetables. Terms on application.

… Mrs. Alice Corder ………. Near station. Modern conveniences.
.……………………………… Terms on applicaton.

Hamilton, Va. ...………….. Large shady lawn; fresh vegetables;
… Mrs. J. W. Chamberlin ….. milk; cream; eggs. Modern conveniences;
. ……………………………… excellent table. Terms $10.00 to $12.00 per week.

Leesburg, Va. ..………….. Located in business section. A delightful place
… “Leesburg Inn” …………. Spend day and week-end vacations. Special Sunday
……………………………… chicken dinneres.

… Mrs. Fulton …………….. Near town. Modern country home. Delightful meals;
.…………………………….. terms on application.

Electric Trains leave from Rossyln Terminal Station (Washington), located South End Key Bridge, on Frequent Schedules


Enjoy!

Tom

ENCORE Saturday! - ENCORE Saturday! - ENCORE Saturday!

[West Coast S]

Once again for the road...Hit me with the house Ale if you please bar keep.

I hear you Tom, don't you just love this global economy??

I see Lovedomes has paid us a visit this afternoon, oh, and mike has anoited us with compelling URL's....

Mike:

NYC 999 had a West Coast rival, her story is not so well known...Southern Pacific
4-4-0 #1801 was constructed by the Cooke Locomotive Works in 1898 as the only
class E1, why such an obsolete design was chosen is lost to the midst of time. 1801 will forever hold the record of the tallest drivered engine on the system, eighty seven inches in diameter and the first example with a extended tender, resplendent in a rich shade of green with polished brass work, she was a sight to behold..

She was confined to the deluxe Del Monte Express, operating daily between Monteray and San Francisco, no doubt she did some fast running, speeds up to seventy five miles per hour were not uncommon.

The popularity of the train led to additional Pullmans being added, soon 1801 was no longer able to maintain the schedule. The arrival of the Pacific Class in 1904 and steel cars in 1906 ended her high speed days.

The only assignment SP had suitable for 1801 was commute duty, she labored for several dismal years, her tall drivers slipped badly and schedules went to ruin.

Out of fustration, she was sent to the Sacramento Shops for evaluation as a potential rebuild project.

She was reclassified as an E2, rebuilt with sixty three inch drivers, Walsatch Valve gear and a force fed lubrication system. Much improved, the 1801 was Reassigned yet again to local routes in Oregon and served until 1935 when it was stricken from the roster and scrapped.. 1801 is memorable for one other interesting historical fact: she was never renumber during her long career, a true rarity among SP steam.

Dave

[trolleyboy]

Good evening leon, a tall cold Guiness for me this evening. Nice to see that so much action has happened on this saturday encore day truly heartening to see all of you who give a "rat's patoot"

Dave-Great little side stories on the PE Branch and the 1801, Canada had it's share of uniques fast locomotives. The CPR Jubillee's come to mindtheir unique 4-4-4 configuration and high 86" drivers I believe allowed them to top the 75mph mark. I believe one even hit 104MPH with a Montreal Commuter train.They spent most of their years on the fast timetanles of the Commuter trains in and out of Windsor station. The CNR's K5A Hudsons were also tall drivered 81's and also hit triple didgets on the MPH scale,they pulled the Corridor trains between Windsor and Toronto and Montreal.

Mike & Tom -Ah yes the NYC is still perking along here I think the water level route ids flying by outside the tavern doors Tom I was in TO today took dad to our usual father son Blue Jay game. Saw Roy Halliday pitch a gem complete game 4 hitter , unfortunatly they lost 2-0, enough to make one cry I tell you

lars-Are you sure sharing salty tales at the tavern with John is safe and PG rated LOL. Indeed allot has changed in the ways in which seafarer's are able to stay in contact with thewir loved ones' ( and their wives ) Nice to see the NYC still perking along here isn't it

Well folks think i'll drop off another encore and call it an evening.See you tomorrow for some picture action.

Rob 

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

  Another classic juice encore to wind up my efforts for the day. Interestingly this came from the deep dark bowels of page 134 same page that Tom first posted his Hotel list that he encored today as well.Hope everyone enjoys the second or maybe third time around.

Rob

Hello again. Here is the first installment of the lesser known radial lines. classic juice #4

The Brantford and Hamilton B&H


The B&H ws one of the smallar interurban's or radial lines built in Ontario. As the name would suggest they conected the city of Hamilton to the City of Brantford approx a 30 mile run.It was first proposed in 1896 as the Hamilton Chedoke& ancaster Railway. The federal govt guarranteed a $15,000 subsidy once the railway made it to Ancaster.


Anyone familiar with this part of Southern Ontario will know that this line would fight up grade and cross the top of the Niagara escarpment. despite the promissed fed funds no work was started. In 1900 the line came under the control of the Haines bros of New york who were putting together radial lines conecting Niagara- Hamilton-Brantford.They changed the name to the Hamilton Ancaster and Brantford and by early 1904 they had aquired most of the ROW.They ran into problems with money on their american lines in NY state and lost their interest in the Hamilton line and the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto which they owned at the time.( This is why the NS&T never reached toronto by rail )They sold their interest to the Von Echa company in 1904 and by 1906 they started to build the line now known as the Hamilton and Brantford.


Grading began in july of '06and the line was built to high standards ala the L&PS.A short piece of street track from the Hamilton terminal station followed a ledge cut into the face of the escarpment, and ran on a long continuous 21/2% grade up to Ancaster 600kw substations were built for traction power at Ancaster langford,and Murray street in Brantford. Each building had two 300kw gens with room to add one more for future expansion. Power was brought in from the Decew falls hydro plant.The line was opened to ancaster ion Dec 21 1907,and to Brantford in may of 1908. The initial runs to Brantford ended until a crossing of the Grand trunk line in the city was constructed. Other than two short street lines into Brantfords market street Union station and the short stretch in Hamilton outside of terminal station the B&H ran on entirly private ROW.


Total cost of the line was estimated at $800,000.Between 1911 and 16 they looked at expanding to Galt and Preston but this line extension was never built. Instead interline tickets were sold for conections with the Lake Erie and Northern Radial and the Grand River Railway. They also sold tickets in conjunction with the Hamilton steamboat company so passengers could connect to Toronto. The interchaange with the LE&N ws interesting in that the LE&N ran on 1500v. Therfore the market street stations power could be switched over from 600 to 1500 to accomadate both lines cars. This resulted in a 35 min layover for B&H cars which had to lower their poles while the LE&N was using the station.Light frieght and express mail was also carried but the B&H after the war fare increases were required to make up for revenue losses. In 1925 the B&H ws almalgamate dinto the Hamilton Radial railway so cars would run through from Burlington and Stoney creek.

This also brought busses into the picture. In 1930 Dominion power the overall owner sold their bus and rail lines so abandonement occured in 1932. To show the lines viability ( most people beleved the B&H could have run anothetr 15 or 20 years } Their first year 1908 they moved 247,200 passengers there was an upward trend until the peak in 1920 of 836,100 fares. after which the numbers dropped in half on average.In 1929 thought with the bus lines fares went back up to just over 800,000.,but in 1930 that dropped to 228,300.


The line ran with a dozen cars built by kulhman ( brill ) these were wooden monitor roofed railway style cars dt de The designed speed was 50mph Non-stop test runs covered the thirty mile line in 37 minutes! not bad for 1908! 6 express motors built by ottawa 3 cars and preston 3 cars these rounded out the fleet. In the last 4 years of operation most of the Dominion powers cars could be seen on the B&H.

Of a non important note my house is about 500 yards from the old Grand river barge canal in Brantford. The canal bank carried the private ROW of the B&H!

[Anonymous]

Good morning one and all! Sure am glad the bar is open for breakfast, cuz I’m starving for a few light breakfasts! Recent posts since I was last here are still the usual top-notch material that has become the norm for this thread. It’s been a struggle for me to find time to sit and type-up some of the information I blunder across recently. Hope you enjoy the following:

 

World’s Greatest Dome is Used for Repair of Tank Cars; Ultra-Modern building Adapted from Old Roundhouse Design by Freeman Hubbard;  Feb 1959 RM

The geodetic dome, a new concept in buildings and car shops, which Union Tank Car Co. developed at Baton Rouge, La., reminds you of a steam locomotive turntable. As the floor plan shows, tracks radiate like the spokes of a wheel, while a trackmobile and a transfer table move tank cars in process of repair.

I have just returned from a visit to this gigantic hemisphere of goldenrod yellow reinforced on the outside with bright blue steel tubes. It made me think of a world’s fair. It is the largest of all circular buildings without internal supports, It is also the world’s biggest dome, the first geodetic dome fabricated entirely of steel, and the first all0-welded dome. Total floor space, 110,000 square feet, is enough for a football field or a major league baseball diamond.

I saw a preview of the future, a revolutionary version of industrial design. UTC plans eventually to replace all its important plants in the United States and Canada with similar structures, next one on the list being located in Wood River, Illinois.

You may ask, “Why was the Union Dome at Baton Rouge built?” It was built not merely for publicity, although it currently had world-wide publicity value, but because such a structure is highly efficient for use as a car repair shop and because it can be erected at less cost than one of conventional architecture.

 

The Union Dome has no outside window; but an aperture at the top, combined with open doors, assures good ventilation. The control tower, 80 feet above main floor, guides the operation of cars on the transfer table and repair tracks.

 

I was not surprised to learn that the Union Dome has more than doubled efficiency of UTC employees working there, because the round pattern permits disabled cars to be taken easily to the men and equipment. In the old plant, which it replaces, repair jobs were delayed by the crisscrossing of tracks. Moreover, the new building eliminates outdoor work, placing all stages of tank car repair under one roof.

The above diagram shows: () point where cars entering Union Dome are inspected to determine repairs needed, (B) where inside of cars is cleaned, (C) general repairs location, (D) heavy repairs, (E) where repairs to tanks are made, (F) transfer table, (G) space for storage of materials, also offices and employees’ rooms, (H) control tower, at top of inner building, overlooking all repair facilities, (I) paint tunnel or finishing shop, (J) car-wash control stations, (K) LPG racks for cars which hold liquified petroleum gas or acid.

 

A man was chosen for jury duty who really wanted to be dismissed from serving. He tried every excuse he could think of but none of them worked. On the day of the trial, he decided to give it one more shot. As the trial was about to begin, he asked if he could approach the bench. 

"Your Honor," he said, "I must be excused from this trial because I am prejudiced against the defendant. I took one look at the man in the blue suit with those beady eyes and that dishonest face and I said 'He's a crook! He's guilty!' So, your Honor, I cannot possibly stay on this jury!" 

With a tired annoyance the judge replied, "Get back in the jury box, you fool. That man is the defendant's lawyer."

[Anonymous]

Good morning again. Got a few pictures I took just yesterday. So that I don’t choke the thread page with too many pix, most of these will be URLs. Enjoy!

Our Metra train arrives at Crystal Lake. The brick shelters are about one month old!

Red Line El train photos

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Red line underground

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Back above ground at Addison Street station … Wrigley Field

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Then we went South to Chinatown. The White Sox stadium is just south

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Dragon in sidewalk

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Hungry anyone?

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My type of bank

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shop window

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stuff for sale

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And then we came home to see if anything new had been added to our home since it was getting rained on Friday …. It hadn’t

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Here’s another drop of rain I photographed Thursday AM while biking to work

 

A husband walks into the bedroom holding two aspirin and a glass of water. His wife asks, "What's that for?"

"It's for your headache."

"I don't have a headache."

He replies, "Gotcha!"

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Ruth, nice to see you awake and bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning.Just popping in to make sure that H&H have started the brucnch buffet prep and that the coffee and tea are on. Today's spacial omellette ,"the everything including the kitchen sink "is to be avoided at all costs ! only Boris has susessfully eaten one and even he said he felt funny afterwards.Must be the axle grease they use to fry it in

Doug -Interesting shots this morning. I wonder is that plant still there, I would imagine that it ould weather inclemint wheather quite well.

Two shots for today then I'm away for a good portion of it. Heather and I are heading into Toronto to our yearly pilgramige to the CNE.

Two more shots from my vacation in July. These two are taken near Kitchener Ontario at the Westfeild Pioneer Village, where they have moved dozens of historic buildings intio their 40 acre park.One of the other attractions is TH&B 103 and a caboose , mounted on a short stretch of track beside the Historic TH&B Jerseyville Station ( also moved to the sight )103 is a heavy Consolidation, the TH&B used these monsters for everything freight helper service up the escarpment, even main passenegr service ( when the Berks or Hudson's were down ) and mixed train service. enjoy

Rob

 

[trolleyboy]

Doug-Hi again , I see you slipped a couiple more through the mailslots, nice shots of the Metra's new digs.We are going to be Go training today ourselves Oakville to the CNE grounds, one stop shopping Go sells the CNE tickets along with the train fare,that way we aavoid driving into Troornto and paying $30 to park. Go lots are free !

two more from North bay then I'm done for the picture posting phase of the day.

The restored CPR North Bay Station now contains a flea market.

Two overall shots of the ONR shop complex in North Bay from the Memorial Drive bridge

 

Rob

[siberianmo]

Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –

We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

 

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

 

. . . Sunday, August 27^th thru September 2^nd: Battle of Britain (1969) starring: Harry Andrews, Michael Caine, Tevor Howard – and – Being There (1979) starring: Peter Sellers, Shirley MacLaine, Jack Warden. SHORT: False Alarms (1936)

 

 

Battle of Britain (1969)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: England defends itself against an aerial onslaught during the summer of 1940. With Sir Laurence Olivier heading up an ensemble cast as flight commander Sir Hugh Dowdling, The Battle of Britain pays tribute to other nationalities instrumental in fending off the waves of Luftwaffe planes, notably the expatriate Polish and Czech pilots. Trevor Howard, Michael Caine, and Michael Redgrave also populate the cast.

 

from: multiple sources

 

 

Being There (1979)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: Having lived his life as the gardener on a millionaire's estate, Chance (Peter Sellers) knows of the real world only what he has seen on TV. When his benefactor dies, Chance walks aimlessly into the streets of Washington D.C., where he is struck by a car owned by wealthy Eve Rand (Shirley MacLaine). Identifying himself, the confused man mutters "Chance...gardener," which Eve takes to be "Chauncey Gardiner." Eve takes him to her home to convalesce, and because Chance is so well-dressed and well-groomed, and because he speaks in such a cultured tone, everyone in her orbit assumes that "Chauncey Gardiner" must be a man of profound intelligence. No matter what he says, it is interpreted as a pearl of wisdom and insight. He rises to the top of Washington society, where his simplistic responses to the most difficult questions (responses usually related to his gardening experience) are highly prized by the town's movers and shakers. In fact, there is serious consideration given to running Chance as a presidential candidate.

 

from: All Movie Guide

 

 

Three Stooges Short Subject: False Alarms (1936)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly

The Stooges are dim-witted firemen who spend all their time covering up their mistakes so they can impress their girlfriends by being in uniform. Curly sneaks out of the firehouse while on duty and joins the girls. They want him to get the other two to come over, so Curly trips the nearest fire alarm. The fire truck leaves Moe and Larry behind because they have accidentally locked themselves in a janitor's closet. They then take the Captain's car and try to beat the truck to the fire, ultimately wrecking the car.

 

 

from: www.threestooges.net

 

 

If you are browsing, how about letting the guys know that you’ve enjoyed their efforts!

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Tom

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Good to see Doug 'n Rob actively engaging in our Photo Posting Sunday activities and partaking in our new Sunday morning-early afternoon bill o' fare, called, "breakfast-brunch-lunch" at the Tavern by the Tracks!

I see that our ENCORE Saturday! drew a bit of activity, which is always appreciated. Also some new stuff as well. No matter, the idea is to sustain interactive conversations along with enjoying the efforts from our customers. I think much of that was achieived!

Acknowledgments to Doug - Rob - Lars -   Dave and  Mike for stopping by on Saturday! Special THANX to all who provided multiple Posts - way to go!

I particularly enjoyed the Pix from Doug of the Metra and red line El. Also, nice shots from Rob of the TH&B “steamers”!

 

Okay, enjoy the day!

 

Tom

[LoveDomes]

G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the CLOSED bar!

 

Hope you all enjoyed our Sunday Bill o’ Fare as we wind down the lunch portion of the day - last call at 2 PM!

 

Ditto’s on Captain Tom’s comments regarding the participation!

 

Only negative I picked up on concerns those guys who post on the forum but not our thread! That’s something that always bothered me - especially when our guys  have made responses to the party concerned, but it gets lost due to this type of activity. Don’t get me wrong on this - I am not saying that our customers cannot post elsewhere - but what I am saying is that when online and on the Kalmbach forums - especially Classic Trains - and you don’t bother to check out the bar – well, that says it all.

 

Good choice of flicks for the week, Captain Tom and I’m glad you’ve resumed this segment of what many of us looked forward to!

 

Here are some pix you may have seen here or over on Captain Tom’s “other thread.” Seemed like a good way to bid adieu to the NYC - for awhile!

 

 

NYC 20th Century Ltd EMD E units southbound along the Hudson River (1947)

(from: Bruce Wolfe collection)

 

 

 

NYC F7A #1684 (photo credit: J. Hunt)

 

 

 

NYC F7A #1757 (photo credit: J. Hunt)

 

 

 

NYC EMD E8A #4096 (Credit: Corel Corp.)

 

 

 

NYC PA3 #4210 (photo credit: Bill Waller)

 

 

 

NYC FM/GE #4404 (1953) (photo: Howard W. Ameling)

 

 

Until the next time!

 

Lars

[Anonymous]

Hello again gents, and I'll have another breakfast/lunch/dinner, if you please. Nice to see Rob and his nifty steam pix. Station pix were appreciated as well. Thanks for the movie selections Tom. The Stooge film looks to be particularly instructive. Glad you liked the El pix. I really need to plan a trip to do that again, but with no time restraints! Beautiful NYC loco pix [b]Lars[/s]. Very nice indeed. Here's some more stuff from me on this fine day:

Steam still ruled the New Zealand Railroad in 1959. While fireman fills the tank of the 1296 at Ashburton, driver pushes coal over to the shoveling plate.

 

This too, is railroading. A tugboat works two float-loads of boxcars and gondolas from New Jersey into their berths at the New Haven’s freight yards in uptown New York City.

 

Salon in private car Cleopatra, bult in 1889 by Pullman Palace Car. Co., predecessor of Pullan-Standard, for officers and directors of the International-Great Northern RR. IN Texas (now part of the Missouri Pacific). Note the beveled-edge French mirrors, costly upholstery fabrics, and highly polished walnut panels of upper berths.

 

The redball freight that jumped the rails on January 10^th, 1959, tied up all four tracks of New Haven’s electrified main line. About two weeks elapsed before electric service was restored, but meanwhile tracks were cleared and diesels kept trains rolling.

 

Looking down the “throat” of the master retarder at Louisville & Nashville’s new automatic, freight-classification setup, Boyles Yard, three miles north of downtown Birmingham, Ala., we see a car on its way to group retarder and assigned track. This 250-acre yard, costing $12 million, is 4.8 miles long and contains 95 miles of track. It was opened January 1959, replacing L&N facilities 51 years old.

 

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[Anonymous]

Goood morning gents!. I'll have two light breakfasts, and leave you with some rading material:

A – So far as is known, signs bearing this legend were first placed at crossings along the line of the Gettysburg & Harrisburg between Gettysburg and Carlisle, Pa. This road, now a part of the Reading System (1959), was opened to traffic in April, 1884. Its vice-president at the time, Col. J.C. Fuller, said that the wording was taken from an opinion delivered in 1880 by Justice Edward M. Paxson, of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in a case against the Shenango & Allegheny over a crossing wreck.. The Justice disqualified the plaintiff’s suit because he did not “stop, look and listen before attempting to cross the track.” These words were called to the attention of Col. Fuller, and thus became a warning sign at all G&H crossings. In July, 1891, they were adopted by the Philadelphia & Reading throughout the system.

 

Q – What is a slip coach?

A – On certain British runs a train cuts off its rear coach at a station siding where the passengers unload at their leisure. This is a slip coach. Later in the day the passengers reboard the car and a train picks it up for the return trip.

 

Q – Is it true that a railroad actually laid tracks on ice and ran trains across a frozen river?

A – Yes, several roads have done it. For example, during the severe winter of 1851-52 the Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore (now a part of the Pennsy) laid tracks over the ice near the mouth of the Susquehanna River and on those tracks they carried 10,000 tons of freight, baggage and mail in 1,378 cars.

 

Q – What are Clejan-type cars?

A – Lightweight piggyback flatcars used for railroad, highway and sea transport. Each Clejan car carries one 40-foot trailer and one 35-foot trailer, three 24-foot trailers, or two to four containers. It carries both interchangeably. Because of light weight less motive power is required than is used to move the same number of ordinary piggyback cars.

Only one man is needed at the car while loading or unloading. He can ”tie down” a trailer in about a minute and a half, compared with four or six minutes and four men required on older piggyback equipment. Average time for a tractor to pick up and load a trailer on a new car is five minutes, compared with ten to fifteen for conventional equipment.

 

Q – When was the first Camelback built?

A – In 1877, at the Philadelphia & Reading shops, Reading Pa. She was sent to the Paris Exposition of 1978 where she was modified into a peculiar camelback shape to meet low clearances on the French Northern Railway.

 

Q – What id the highest point in America reached by a railroad?

A- The summit of Pile’s Peak in Colorado, 4,110 feet above sea level.

 

Q – Which form of freight transportation gets the most mileage from a dollar’s worth of fuel? (Feb. 1959)

A – The railroad, of course. That much fuel moves 20-ton trucks less than 12 miles, a 40-ton airplane a little over 3 miles, or a 40-ton boxcar 150 miles.

 

Q – Where is the world’s busiest railroad passenger station?

A – Probably Clapham Jct. Station, near London, on the British Railways, which handles 2,070 passenger trains every 24 hours.

 

Q – Which train makes the world’s longest daily non-stop passenger service?

A – The Elizabethan between London and Edinburgh, on the British Railways, 393 miles.

 

Q- What is rock bolting?

A – A new technology reportedly used for the first time on any railroad in America by the Reading System on two of their tunnels, the 121-year-old 1,932-foot Black Rock near Phoenixville, Pa., and their longest, 3,409-foot Mahoney, east of Mahoney, Pa.

Developed for Bethlehem Steel Co. and recommended by the U.S. Bureau of Mines as a sound measure for roof control, it involves the use of special bolts anchored into holes drilled in the rock of the tunnel roof, which are then tightened to compress the stone and stabilize the ceiling. This pioneering effort has resulted in more economical tunnel maintenance and improved safety conditions.

 

Q – What is meant by the word “peddler” in rail lingo?

A – A freight car or local freight train from which shipments are distributed at intermediate points according to way-bill information. The first of many popular fiction stories written for us by the late Jolin Johns, New York Central conductor, was “The Night Peddler”

 

Q- Which was the first American railroad to carry freight?

A – Nearly all the early roads hauled some freight, but the Philadelphia& Reading was the first to transport a million tons in one year (1844), most of the tonnage being coal.

 

Q – What were the silk trains?

A – Trains that streaked across the country about half a century ago from San Francisco and other Pacific ports, carrying rich cargoes from the looms of Japan. Each trainload of silk represented a fortune and was carefully guarded en route. Someone wrote a poem called “The Silk Train,” which captured the glamour and romance of the iron horse carrying the wealth of the Orient to speed a pioneering industry. We don’t know the name of the author, but here are the verses:

Highball! Highball! She is on her way,

Out of the yards in the twilight gray,

Gathering speed at each turn of the wheel,

Pounding impatiently over the steel,

Her headlight dimming the light of the stars,

That wondering gaze on the thundering cars,

Clear of traffic the rails tonight,

For nothing may dare delay the flight,

Of a train of silk from Fricsco.

Pounding hard up the mountain steep,

Drifting down through gorges deep,

Making the walls of the canyon ring,

As the shriek of the whistle goes echoing,

Highball! Throw the levers, the tracks are clear,

The precious cargo is near – is here!

The mountains crossed, her dangers done,

She throbs with pride at the end of the run –

A train of silk from Frisco.

 

Q – What is the name of the engine that ran under her own power from Philadelphia to Chicago to take part in the World’s Columbian Exposition in 1893?

A – The Pennsy’s ancient John Bull, the first locomotive to be equipped with a cowcatcher.

 

Have a great day …. It’s time to get to work!

http://www.aardvarkarchie.com/pictures/images/work/work027.jpg

 

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

 

A rather gloomy day here in mid-continent USA as those elusive rains have finally reached us with some on ‘n off welcomed relief since Friday.

 

Much appreciation to Doug for making our Photo Posting Sunday pretty much his exclusive venue! Also, thanx to Rob and Lars too, for keeping things moving forward.

 

Did a bit of reviewing of some past page and it appears that I failed to make mention of some comments directed my way – sorry!

 

Rob, sounds like your trip to the ball park wasn’t all so bad. Aside from having a chance to enjoy the company of your dad, you saw a well pitched game on both sides. It’s never enjoyable when your team loses, but you gotta commend the efforts as each guy threw a complete game; very rare these days. Plus you got to see our “other” team from Missouri! <grin> Haliday is by far the best pitcher in the AL, perhaps in MLB.

 

Also, yes I noticed that Penn Central loco in Lars’ Pix. Sneaky, move, eh

 

Pete, hope your weekend went well. I’ve always enjoyed minor league baseball and

hockey. It’s far more fun to watch when the players are trying their best to climb that ladder into the major leagues. When living in southern Virginia several decades ago, we used to regularly attend the games of the Tidewater Tides, AAA team of the NY Mets. Saw some good games and some fine players come through that area.

 

Cards sweep, Cards sweep! Walk off grand slam will do it every time!!

 

Lars, all I can add to your admonishment from yesterday is perhaps it would be best to just let it go. The guys who care about this bar ‘n grill have clearly demonstrated it through the resurgence of activity these past weeks. Others, who are not and have not been ”regulars” need not be held to a higher standard than our “Gang of ten”! The bar always has and perhaps always will mean different things to different people. However, I do understand and share your chagrin when someone we ’expect’ to see stop by – doesn’t, while Posting elsewhere. That really is puzzling . . . .

 

 

Set ‘em up Ruth, drinks on da boss! Ring it, Boris!

 

(By the by, Ruth says she's NOT Ruthie! )

 

 

Tom

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  We'll starty off with "If You Want to Get to Heaven You've Got To Raise a Little Hell," followed by "I'll Marry You Tomorrow, But Let's Honeymoon Tonight," and one of Boris's favorites "I Wouldn't Take Her to a Dogfight 'Cause I'm Afraid She Might Win."

The Boston paper said this a.m. that the Red Sox manager is "spitting up blood."  All I know is that there are lots of fans who are chewing the carpet.  IIRC, Tom, I said they were done for several months ago.  All I know is that the Cardinals are going to send ME to the hospital - late heroics last night vs the Cubbies.

Lots of material to look at this morning.  I'll try and work my way back through the stack of struff.

The New Haven used Clejan flat cars for their TOFC service. 

Barndad provided lots of pictures and more Q&A material.

Lars - Thanks for NYC material

Rob - Thanks for North Bay shots and TH&B power.

West Coast put in an appearance, too!

Last we have a W&OD encore and some good movies as well.  Battle of Britain is one of my favories even though some the scenes are a little precious, the flying sequences make up for them.  I wore out my VHS copy and got a DVD not too long ago.  "Come in Blue Two!"

Rock bolts - something near and dear to some of us.  aka roof bolts.  A long time ago I interviewed a coal miner who had 45+ accident-free years underground.  I asked him a stock question, "What was the biggest change you saw in underground coal."  He answered "roof bolts" without any hesitation.  He was scared of them at first as it was "Against the laws of Nature" to have places that wide in a coal mine, but he got used to it rather quickly.  His first impression in coming into a bolted place was that it was "Like being in a church," because there was so much room. 

Speaking of coal and coal cars.  The July-August iossue of C&O History has an excellent piece of early all-steel C&O coal cars.  These came into service about the turn of the 20th century.  The article also includes some truly fascinating pictures of wooden coal cars built by the Ensign Manufacturing Co. in Huntington, WV. 

work safe

[red p]

Good morning everyone, Ill start off with some coffee,been nice to have a few days off anyway. Well Lars I guess your in charge since Tom ran out of dashes. By the way thanks for the f7 pictures.

Barndad that was an interesting piece on the dome, ive never seen anything like that before.

Ok Ruth let me try the biscuts and gravy this morning.

And thats enough crap about my Cubbies !

P

[siberianmo]

 

 

TOMORROW IS CHICAGO & NORTHWESTERN THEME DAY!

 

Watch for the arrivals on track #1 throughout the day!

 

 

Tom

 

 

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Ruth, I think a salami hero and a Keith's will do for lunch, oh here's a bit extra in case a round is required later on this afternoon. So we have servived another weekend good to see quite afew pictures yestreday Doug  as always you lead the way good show sir

Tom - Some nice movie choices as per usual. i for one have always' enjoyed your movie poster pix ! Yea you are right I did see a great game. Looks as though old Roy's got a good shot at his second Cy Young, I remember watching his first MLB start again with dad in an interleague game with Montreal. he was a Sept call up and came within two outs of  a No hitter gave up a pinch HR, we figuered that he was a keeper then ! Saw something interesting yesterday. heather and I were waiting for our Westbound Go train to return us to Oakville from the CNE station. When low and behold an Amtrak train went schreming by Toronto Union Bound. I'm guessing it came up from Niagara. You may want to check it out apparently at least one TO bound Amtrak is still running worth a look anyway.

lars-fitting end to NYC week, great photo's I espeacially love the Pa3 best "durn" passenger locomotive I think was ever built was the PA series. Best not to let other's posting habits urk us. I aggree it's disapointing but what can we do.

Doug -today's Q&A's were quite intertaining as per usual, interesting bit on the early TOFC equipment as well, quite the invention. When you think of it one hardly see's a train anymore without them in tow, then of caorse there's the solid inetrmodal sets now as well , railraoding certainly has changed some what.

Well ruth I think a nother round is required. I'm looking forward to C&NW day tomorrow. My ad in will be a bit later on as I'm pulling a week of midnights again, so don't expect mine much before the early evening ( gotta get my beauthy sleep donchaknow )

Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

 

Good to see some activity ‘round the joint today - been rather quiet lately. Anyway, special mention for CM3 - red P and Rob this fine day!

 

Noticed that petrol has dropped to $2.63 (rounded) up at Collusion Corner. Just amazes me how these speculators seem to have us over the proverbial barrel regarding the oil prices. We are impotent when it comes to OPEC and ignorant when it comes to demanding we throw the bums out. <grrrrrrrrr>

 

Rob, mention of a possible reinstitution of the train between Chicago and Toronto brought a negative when I checked it out. Wish it were so. That Amtrak you saw most probably was the Maple Leaf which runs from Penn Station in NYC. Stops in Canada are: Niagara Falls – St. Catharines - Grimsby - Aldershot - Oakville and Toronto.

 

 

Set ‘em up Ruth, drinks on da boss! Ring it, Boris!

 

 

Tom

[trolleyboy]

CLASSIC JUICE # 33 THE LOST ELECTRICS OF SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO PT # 3

THE CHATHAM WALLACEBURG & LAKE ERIE RR

        As promised paart three and the final part of the lost  electric railways of southwestern ontario.the longest and most durable of these lost lines was the Chatham Wallaceburg & Lake Erie. This line was chartered in 1903 at the instigation of the local business communities in Wallaceburg and Chatham.As often happened funds were hard to scrape up so in 1905 a supprising sorce of cash was found from a group located in Towanda Pennsylvannia.Construction began in Wallaceburg in 1905. It Reached Chatham, however before the Chatham town council agreed to allow the use of a bridge over the Thames river, when the railroad builders went ahead anyway, the mayor George W Cowen ordered the fire department to use their hoses to chase off the construction team. Not a particularly auspicious start. The company was allowed temporary use of this road bridge , provided they remove the track after 4 months should no aggreement be reached by then.Eventually the council approved the route, and the tracks were permanently laid.

       In 1908 the route was extended to Lake Erie at Erie Beach , and in 1909 a branch to Paincourt was added.While the beach line was maintained for the tourists and excursionists, The Paincourt branch was used to ship sugar beets from the farms in the area.

     for most of it's lenght, the route followed existing roas. From it's station opposite the Wallaceburg town hall , the ROW parallelled the Pere Marquette line, then angled accross country to follow the east shoulder of baldoon rd. It entered Chatham on St Clair St and then followed Third , King and William streets through town. It's main power house stood on the NE corner of King and Third. Leavinbg Chatham the tracks went along King to Queen where it followed Charing Cross Rd.

     At the town of Charing Cross, a crossroads community, the railway haaad to tunnel under the tracks of the Michigan Central before continuing south to it's destination,the park and pavillion at Erie Beach.By the 1920's motor vehicles began puttering along the streets of Chatham putting preasure on te city council to pave the rroads.When council began to pave over the CWLE's tracks, the company knew that the end was near. While sugar beet shipping remained strong the passenegr traffic dwindled, intil in 1930 the City Of Chatham demanded that the CWLE remove it's witres and poles.The CWLE was over.

THE LONDON & LAKE ERIE RR

 This railway also travelled electrically through London and Port Stanley, any mention of railways in either town nowadays makes people immidiatly think of the Port Stanley Terminal tourist RR or it's original name the London and Port Stanley RR which was Sir Adam Beck's show road for high speed electric radial railways.When you mention to people that Port Stanley once had two separte electric roads gives people pause.

    However there was at one point two interurban routes between London and Port Stanley, the second was known as  the Southwestern transportation Compnay, later the London and Lake Erie Transportation Company. Not only did it carry passengers but it also carried freight, in aprticular fresh fish right off the boats in Port Stanley Harbour.It's terminal was a small cement block building on Main Street, just south of the main intersection. It was located behind the Cliffton Motel, where a short spur line lead to the town docks for passengers transfering from or to steamships.

    During the First World war the London and Port Stanley solidified it's position as the superior of the two lines as it had a more direct route to London a 55 min run as opposedd to the hour and 45 minutes the LLE took. What further compounded the LLE difficulties is that it was a provincially chartered line and was subject to the provinces restrictive Lords day act, and could therefore not operates on Sunday's. The federally chartered L&PS had no such restrictions.By 1918 the LLE was broke and had disaappeared from the landscape.

    It's route took it along highway 4 the main road route from St Thomas and London, before branching off onto main street in Port Stanley to it's little cemenet block station.The L&PS took over some of it's rolling stock and it's frieght business but tore up the redundant mainline route into London.Today's Port Stanley Terminal still operates the L&PS station on 90% od the original L&PS trackage, still running regualrly it's tourist trains into St Thomas. A 4 mile section that leads from London to  St Thomas was illegally torn out 10 yeasr ago by CN. The PSTR is negotiating to have this replaced at CN's cost, thus far this has not happened so for the momnet their mainline terminates just shy of London.

Rob

       

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

P is excellent, just what I'm always looking for, the shortest post on the page to reply to.

Here's a pile of nothing in particular, just stuff. Click, don't click, mox nix.

Marion Flyer crossing Deer creek

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/DC001&CISOPTR=37&REC=15

Marion Flyer

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/DC002&CISOPTR=111&REC=14

U.S. Mail

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=5078&REC=15

Southern diesel

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=10114&REC=10

Broadway Limited obs

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/dc012&CISOPTR=10552&REC=1

Terra Haute

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/P0129&CISOPTR=45&REC=18

Harry S. Truman

http://images4.indianahistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/P0129&CISOPTR=43&REC=16

SP 4-4-0 Galveston, Texas 7/28/36

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015758+OP-15758

SP 4-6-0 San Diego 4/23/33

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015797+OP-15797

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015480+OP-15480

1st Electric streetcars in Los Angeles 1887 (Pico Street)

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf7m3nb5h2/hi-res

PE advertising

http://content.cdlib.org/dynaxml/data/13030/06/hb7f59p406/files/hb7f59p406-FID11.jpg

Map of Pacific Electric Railway

http://content.cdlib.org/dynaxml/data/13030/k4/hb4g5009k4/files/hb4g5009k4-FID6.jpg

Red Train #5 (in black & white) Albany, Cal. 1941

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt6k4014hr/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt7r29p720/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt438nb8vt/hi-res

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt0779p334/hi-res

Antofagasta & Bolivia, way to steep

http://www.drawrm.com/train1.htm

New Haven ads

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2446-72dpi.jpeg

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2447-72dpi.jpeg

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2451-72dpi.jpeg

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/T/T24/T2452-72dpi.jpeg

Chicago C&NW Station 1910

http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a20000/6a20100/6a20127r.jpg

Chicago C&NW Train 1946 (I think it's C&NW, not sure)

http://purl.dlib.indiana.edu/iudl/archives/cushman/full/P03200.jpg

Mike

[trolleyboy]

Tom- Hi just caught your post. Guess the Maple Leaf is a bit out of your way for travel to Montreal and places east. You would have to fly into NYC and baord at Pennstation, cahnge trains several times plus an overnight stay in both Toronto and likely NY city, oh well perhaps the Chicago run may yet be re-enstated. We won't hold are breath but one nevr knows . Still that train appeared to be fairly full 5 coaches and a cafe car so someone must be using it. Last i heard it only stopped in St Catharines, Grimsby and Aldershot by flagging only otherwise it was a straight shot stopping only at Oakville and Toronto  Union.Still a passenger trains a passenger train I suppose.

Rob

Ruth another round on me as well thanks .

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

I'm back in 'puter heaven once again with the installation of my "new" Dell replacement keyboard for my notebook (laptop) - arrived about 15 mins ago. Awwwwwwwwright! I had been using the cut 'n paste method for "spaces" on all of my recent Posts since the one with the 'dashes' a couple of days ago. Got to be a pain in the Patoot I'll tell ya! <grin>

Rob, I have a friend who takes the Maple Leaf at least once a year up to Toronto from Schenectady, NY. Says it's a decent trip, but the delays at the border continue to plague the route. Ya know, you'd think by now the two countries could figure out a way to expedite that, eh

Didja catch that potpourri of URLs from our resident URLMeisterMonsterMike I share in the delight of finding a brief Post to use the "reply" feature! Makes all the difference, fer sure, fer sure! <grin>

I had thought about taking the International from Chicago on more than one occasion, however, it was a 12 hour run and rather short on amenities. A shame they took off the domes - although I do recall seeing a dome car on the Adirondack in Monteal not really that many years ago - 5 or 6. In fact that began a "spat" of sorts on one of the Threads when a rather obnoxious AH told me that I was crazy, there couldn't have been a dome car back then. Shut him up when I posted the Pix I took with the imprinted date! <grin> <doublegrin>

Yeah, I hope they reinstitute the run, it surely would attract riders, especially given the prices these days for going by air.

Okay - back to the excitement of retired life!

Tom

[LoveDomes]

G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth my deAH, I'll take a frosty mug of Piels and a few of those snack "things" over there . . . a round on me if you please. Boris, ring the bell!

Running just a bit late today and actually didn't think I'd make it in. Busy, busy, busy here on "the island" as my Mrs. has me hopping today! <grin> <groan>

Great outpouring this afternoon from Rob and what a list of Urls from the MeisterMan himself. Mox Nix is a term I haven't heard or used in years - brought back a memory or two . . .

Only have a few minutes but just wanted to let you guys know that I'm still alive and kickin' . . .

I took the train up to Montreal and also to Toronto many, many years ago - early Amtrak - and there were dome cars on both routes. The glass was in terrible condition if I recall, and it appeared as if little or no maintenance to the interiors was included in the budgeting. Nevertheless, the trips were fine and I don't have any significant recollection of border crossing delays. Ah, but that was THEN and this is NOW.

Ok, I get the message - I'll try my best to "chill" - but these guys still tick me off when they ignore the bar they profess to like. Yeah, right!

So, shouldn't BK be returning soon Getting kinda lonely without my "bookend" balancing the daily input with me.

Baseball is looking better out there in St. Loo these days, huh A sweep will "do it" every time - now it's a game of building the lead as we get into the crunch month of September. Your pitching is where it will tell the tale, as it is with most teams. Hate to count anyone out though, for just as soon as it appears a team is "dead" is when they have a return to glory. Happens!

I'm looking forward to football and think my Giants will have a good season. Now if they'd only move back to New York! Hate that New Jersey complex - loved the old digs. Well, the Jets will be returning once the new stadium gets built and it will be interesting to see if the Giants follow along.

I've got a few things for tomorrow's "Theme Day!" and hope we have a good turn out. Actually not that much out there on the C&NW that isn't copyrighted to death. A page full of Urls wont' do (sorry, Mike) on a day when the visual is the idea. Supporting Urls, as Doug provided yesterday, makes sense so as not to overload the page. Now that's a good idea.

 

Until the next time!

 

Lars

[trolleyboy]

Evening gents. Leon I think I could handle a Keith'soh and perhaps a bowl of those in the shell peanuts as well.

Tom -Yes I did catch the url's and more. I just haven't had a chance to digest them yet.Seems to be some good interurban stuff in there for Mr Dave to drool over.Seems incredible that the street railways ever got off the ground let alone survived when you see just how primitive the first one's were.I wouldn't hold your breath on a quick boarder crossing solution for rail travel. It's painfully apparent how little either govt, cares about rail travel in general. I'm sure they will fast track a sollution for airlines first I remeber that particular AH you mentioned,that was a good day when you stomped on him with that photograph. I'm half supprised he didn't challange your photo as being photoshopped

Mike-As stated above , good show on your most recent collection of gems

Lars -Ah yes, defered maintenance gotta love it <groan> unfortunatly the sign of the times. Seems like Amtrak never really got out of that habit I can't say as I'm wauting for football season as it's half over I've nevr gotten into the NFL. CFL or nothing for me, which with my team has been nothing second incredibly bad year in a row.I'm waiting for the frozen pond <grin>It will be nice to have BK back,It should make the afternoons a little less sparce around here. I know what you mean about finding non-copyrighted C&NW stuff, must be a UP thing

 

Well folks I'm heading on out to work shortly so I will bid you all adieu until tomorrow afternoon/evening

Rob

[Anonymous]

Evening Leon, and I'll have the usual bottomless draught, and set-up a round for the house please? Looks like a fair amount of participation on this cold and rainy August day. Construction on my home has pretty much come to a standstill. Looks like proprietor Tom has been here a few times with his new toys, and CM3 has been here as well. I aims to please Mr. P. Glad you saw something of interest in my post. Nice job wrapping up your classic juice article Rob. Well done. I need to say hi to Lars, our manager for his kind words as well. Which brings me to Mike ... master of the URLs, and he left us a few today! In fact ....I noticed some Chicago and North Western pix in there. I gotta tell ya guys ... I've been looking for some material on that road, and it's been real illusive for me. I'm sure I have pix of commuters at the IRM, but that doesn't seem too interesting to me. Anyhow, I hope you'll forgive my posting early on the theme for tomorrow, but I have another 4 am wake-up, and 4:45 departure, the same as I did today, and I want to make sure to make a contribution this week. So here goes ..............

The North Western’s depot at Madison Street, Chicago, cleaned up to look like new

 

Afternoon lull at the Chicago & North Western Railway station, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

 

Jointly-owned C&NW-Union Pacific diesel (later rebuilt by UP) is taking pre-war City of Denver into C&NW Chicago depot

 

Remember the days when the C&NW had an “open-air” roundhouse at Superior, Wis.?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/CNWopenairroundhouse.jpg

 

The C-C wheel arrangement of the Fairbanks-Morse road switcher gives her additional tractive effort for fast start in the important Chicago and North Western commuter service.

 

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/CNWFMloco.jpg

 

 

This freight road diesel, stationed at Milwaukee, is waiting for her next assignment.

 

Two men waiting at the pearly gates strike up a conversation. "How'd you die?" the first man asks the second. "I froze to death," says the second. "That's awful, how does it feel to freeze to death?" says the first. "It's very uncomfortable at first, you get the shakes, and you get pains in all your fingers and toes. But eventually, it's a very calm way to go. You get numb and you kind of drift off, as if you're sleeping. How did you die?" says the second. "I had a heart attack", says the first guy. "You see, I knew my wife was cheating on me, so one day I showed up at home unexpectedly. I ran up to the bedroom, and found her alone, knitting. I ran down to the basement, but no one was hiding there. I ran up to the second floor, but no one was hiding there either. I ran as fast as I could to the attic, and just as I got there, I had a massive heart attack and died." The second man shakes his head. "that's so ironic" he says. "What do you mean?" asks the first man "If you had only stopped to look in the freezer, we'd both still be alive."  

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

I hear there are a couple of rounds in so I'll have the usual Bathams please RUTH( who had the nerve to call you Ruthie).

Glad the puter probs are over Tom and the forum seems to be ok today with all the pics enlarging but I agree trying to find old posts is near impossible, I believe a while back you posted a summery of the different themes I will try to find it and try putting the page number in.

We were back later than I thought yesterday and I have just caught up with the posts of the last couple of days, although the thought of BORIS in Village People attire, as DAVE said could happen, made me lie down for a couple of hours.Another marvellous Sat and Sun at the Bar.

ROB Parts 2 and 3 of the Lost Electrics just as good as the 1st.I hope they can get the CNR to replace the track to give a longer run and it is good that some of the route can be travelled on today. It is interesting that there is a Chatham on a River Thames in Canada as there is in the UK.

As you say the electricity price hike to the railway in the UK is not good. it is strange the big increase of 60% is when the the lines using electric power have all, apart from the East Coast Line, invested in all new rolling stock. 

Great encores and photos of the ONR and loco #103.

DAVE Thanks for the info on SP #1801 it is a pity this loco was not preserved.

MIKE I think it was R. Dean Taylor who had a hit with Indiana Wants me, at least in the UK.

Great links again, with some real gems like the NYC steam loco in color and the RDC Wolverine. The photo of the 1st L.A. electric car is mavellous considering it was taken in 1887 and what it would be like to travel on the PE Orange Empire with 175 miles for $4 nowadays. That was an interesting depot with the tall tower in one corner. Unlike Lars I have not seen mox nix before.

Good to see JOHN and P in again.

DOUG Many thanks for the photos and the links to the Chicago pics. The first thing I noticed was how clean the stations and cars were. The bride will definatly want to see Chinatown, we were hoping to go to Chicago this year but with a visit to England having to be made fairly soon we have had to put it off. 

It was great to see a New Zealand  steam loco, it is not very often the steam locos of Austrlia and NZ are shown in  magazines etc. That frieght train de-railment looked a mess.

In theQustions and Answers,which I suppose was written in the 50s, as the Elizabethan stopped running non-stop in the early 60s( when diesels took over the train ), may I add a bit more to the Slip coach answer. The main user of slip coaches was the Great Western railway. the Cornish Rivera and a Birmingham express had three slip coaches, the Rivera slipped coaches at Westbury, Taunton and Exeter. The last slip coach was detatched at Bicester on the Birmingham run but I cannot recall the date. In the answer it said the slip coach ran into a siding, this was not so, the slip guard(conductor) operated the slip handle and relased the coach, there were self sealing brake hoses and the guard controlled the braking. if he got it wrong there was no way of releasing the brake and the coach would stop short of the platform and the station pilot loco would have to haul the coach in. The cars would be attached to a London bound train. The slip coaches saved time and no doubt the loco crew were glad of the reduced load but they were costly as the trains needed a guard for each slip coach as well as the main part of the train.There is a color cine film of a slip-coach in action .

LARS Great NYC color pics.

TOM Enjoyed the NYC encore and there are some great names of the folks who ran those Blue Ridge boarding houses, those old ads put a human side to history. Three good films on at the Emporium. I have not seen the Sellars one it sounds a great plot,I can always watch the Battle of Britain again, I particulary like the list of the pilots from the different countries shown at the end of the film. A great debt is owed to those brave men indeed.

Have you been to the Springfield Cardinels, we went Saturday night to see them beat the Wichita Wildcats 8-6. They play in a wonderful modern stadium, it was a good game with the lead changeing. I believe they are an AA team.

Looking forward to C&N tomorrow.

It was Ruth when I started it is probably LEON now anyway, a round for the house please

Pete. 

Just caught your post ROB  there is some good interurban pics and a good start to C&NW day DOUG. 

 

[siberianmo]

Now arriving on track #1

RR Theme for the Day - Number Two

 

 

Chicago and North Western Railway

 

 

 

Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

 

Reporting marks	CNW, CNWS, CNWZ
Locale	Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming
Dates of operation	1865 – 1995
Successor line	Union Pacific
Track gauge	4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)
Headquarters	Chicago, Illinois

 

The Chicago and North Western Railway (AAR reporting marks: CNW, CNWS, CNWZ; unofficial abbreviation: C&NW) was a Class I railroad in the United States. It was also known as the North Western.

 

History

 

The Chicago and North Western Railway was chartered on June 7, 1859. It had purchased the assets of the bankrupt Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad five days earlier. On February 15, 1865, it officially merged with the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad, which had been chartered on January 16, 1836. Since the Galena & Chicago Union started operating in December, 1848, and the Fond du Lac railroad started in March, 1855, the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad is considered to be the origin of the North Western railroad system.

 

The North Western had owned a majority of the stock of the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha Railway (Omaha Road) since 1882. On January 1, 1957, it officially leased the company, and merged it into the North Western in 1972. The Omaha Road's main line ran from an interchange with the North Western at Elroy, Wisconsin, to the Twin Cities, down to Sioux City, Iowa, and then finally to Omaha, Nebraska.

 

The North Western picked up several important short railroads during its later years. It finalized acquisition of the Litchfield and Madison railroad on January 1, 1958. The Litchfield and Madison railroad was a 44-mile bridge road from East St. Louis to Litchfield, Illinois. On July 30, 1968, the North Western acquired two former interurbans – the 36-mile Des Moines and Central Iowa Railway (DM&CI), and the 110-mile Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern Railway (FDDM&S). The DM&CI gave access to the F

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Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox.  Nice rain this a.m. - fortunately no thunder.  Red Sox continue in free fall with some truly scary medical situations. 

Thanks to all for posts and updates. 

Mike: The scriptorium site at Duke is a fascinating one.  I enjoyed looking at the New Haven ads.  DL 109s in many of them, and the one titled "Did You Ever See a Mountain Blush?" featured FM power; the color in the ad was quite good at duplicating the NYNH&H grren/gold scheme that was on these units.

Today we ride the C&NW.  The Northwestern Station in Chicago was an interesting piece of architecure which, unfortunately, has been replaced by another steel and glass box, although the trains still run out of there.  I have sldies somewhere I took at the old station with E units and bilevel cars.  I recall riding the CNW commuter service more than a few times.  Former naval persons in the group recall that CNW served Great Lakes.  The CNW trains that I recall still had smoking cars and I well remember one battle-scarred veteran CNW trainman herding Great Lakes-bound passengers onto the train and saying "Smoker's to your left, admiral." 

Folks don't realize what a big operation CNW was.  Here's a 1967-era list of roads connecting with the CNW; many fallen flags:

Alton and Southern, Ann Arbor, Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe

Baltimore and Ohio, Baltimore and Ohio Chicago Terminal, Belt Railway of Chicago

Cedar Rapids and Iowa City, Chesapeake and Ohio, Chicago and Eastern Illinois, Chicago and Illinois Midland, Chicago and Illinois Western, Chicago and Western Indiana, Chicago, Burlington and Quincy, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific, Chicago Preoduce Terminal, Chicago River and Indiana, Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, Chicago Short Line, Chiccago, SOuth SHore and South Bend, Chicago, West Pullman and Southern

DesMoines and Central Iowa, Des Moines Union, Duluth, Missabe and Iron Range, Duluth, Winnipeg and Pacific

East St. Louis Jct., Elgin, Joliet and Eastern, Erie-Lackawanna, Escanaba and Lake Superior

Fort Dodge, Des Moines and Southern

Grand Trunk Western, Great Northern, Green Bay and Western, Gulf, Mobile and Ohio

Hillsboro and Northeastern

Illinois Central, Illinois Northern, Illinois Terminal, Indiana Harbor Belt, Iowa Terminal

Kansas City Sotuhern, Kansas City Terminal, Kewaunee, Green Bay and Western

Lake Superior and Ishpeming, Lake Superior Terminal and Tarnsfer, Laona and Northern, LaSalle and Bureau County, Louisville and Nashville

Manuafacturers, Manufacturers Junction, Minneapolis, Anoka and Cuyuna Range, Minneapolis Eastern, Minneapolis Transfer, Missouri-Kansas-Texas, Missouri Pacific, Monon

New York Central, Norfolk and Western, Northern Pacific

Omaha, Lincoln and Beatriuce

Pennsylvania, Peoria and Pekin Union, Peiria Terminal

Railway Transfer Co.

St. Joseph Belt, St. Joseph Terminal, St Louis-SanFrancisco, St. Louis Southwestern, Sioux City Terminbal, Soo Line, Southern Ry., South Omaha Terminal

TRRA, Toledo, Peoria and Western

Union Pacific

Waterloo

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G'day Gents!

Ruth, a round of "spiked" OJ on Da Boss, a #3 for me, and Boris - ring the gong!

An early start with the "Theme for the Day" as Doug provided us with some fine material last night. Understand the early reveille, Mate, makes sense to Post 'em when you got 'em - so to speak! Nice job.

Wanted to make mention of Mike's URLs from yesterday too - that New Haven ad in the glorious fall motiff was outstanding!

Pete - Mox Nix is from the German, which loosely translated means, "makes no difference."

In the "For what it's worth" department, I just received an answer to an inquiry made with Alaska Railroad. I was curious regarding their winter train from Anchorage to Fairbanks (weekly runs) whether dome cars were in the consist. Took a couple of trys, but the answer came back with a negative. They do have a diner though. Now, that would be about a 12 hour run in semi-dark to darkness in older coach equipment. Hmmmmm, wonder just how many tourists take the Aurora winter train all the way?

We ARE seriously planning a return trip to the 49th state and will once again head up to Denali for a longer stay in the area than this last one. A most magnificent place to experience.

Ain't life grand when one has a keyboard that works Just don't know what you miss until it's gone (as in space bar!)

Rob, that Amtrak train is supposed to disembark passengers at those Canadian stations - no boardings. On the southbound trip, it's the reverse - at least that's what the web site sez. I've always wondered why we haven't been treated to seeing VIA Rail equipment south of the 49th - the old "Atlantic" being the exception. There just has to be a market for rail travel between our countries - especially from places like Boston, Detroit, Chicago and Minneapolis. Wouldn't it be nice . . . .

Oh yes, I've been enjoying your "Classics" and it never ceases to amaze just how many different RR ventures there were on both sides of the border, especially near the "lakes." Can't forget to make mention of Doug's continuing Q&As with all the "good stuff" coming our way. Nice going guys!

Pete, that was quite a Post you put together - looks like you are hitting on all cylinders! And yes, Springfield is a AA team in the Texas League.

Thanx CM3 for your continuing morning "reports," round and quarters! Nice to see you back in your familiar slot and hope we can keep the forward momentum - no matter how hard Kalmbach tries to discourage us! <frown> E-mail sent your way on this very subject . . .

Lars - we all miss BK, but must remember that he'll most probably never really be as frequent a visitor as many of us. When he's on board, it's a special treat, but this is the guy with the "wander lust," and apparently he found a lady who enjoys it as well. Anyway, somewhere in my mind's eye, I recall reading that he'd be gone about a week. That should have him return tomorrow or Thursday . . .

 

Catch y'all later . . . .

Tom