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[Anonymous]

Man it's hot! Been out watering the (used to be) grass. That calls for a ice cold, house draught. Thanks Tom. Right now anyplace where it is cool sounds good. Snow in Australia yesterday. Could use the moisture here.
Just checking in to see what's happening. Well, the companionship, the A/C, and a good cold beer attracted me , too. Think I'll lounge back here in the corner and soak up the atmosphere.

[siberianmo]

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[siberianmo]

Hello Again passengerfan Al

Ready for 'nother one [?] Remember, gotta pay those bills! [swg]

I figure we'll have about 6 or 7 days in Alaska and my thoughts are to maximize them when it comes to traveling by rail. That's why we're going. Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and will look into the options available.

We absolutely are going to Fairbanks. I made that run in 1959 when the U.S. Army ran the rails, along with virtually everything else. No cruise ship crowds back then! [yeah]

We're hoping to find a run to Fairbanks when those crusie ship cars are not on the line. Much rather go on our own and without having to be here or there when they say so. In your experiences, is it feasible to avoid those groups on the run to Fairbanks?

Given that time is somewhat limited for us, we're more than likely going to fly to Anchorage. Make the round trip to Fairbanks. Then down to Seward to catch the White Pass & Yukon - back to Anchorage - then home. The itinerary looks feasible - expensive - and full of things to do. Of course as the price of oil sky rockets - perhaps all of this will be nothing more than planning ........ [:(]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

G'day Tom.
The other trip to look at on the ARr is the seward to Anchorage trip. I think this trip offers more wildlife and scenery per mile than the Anchorage - Fairbanks run. The ARR is running the former Florida Fun train equipment on the Anchorage - Seward run. The run from Anchorage to Denali and Fairbanks is twelve hours and the train carries numerous Cruise Ship Ultradomes on the rear of the ARR equipment. The ARR bought their first Ultradomes that were delivered this year and the virtual tour of these cars shows no expense was spared.

[siberianmo]

G'day passengerfan Al

Didn't catch your order - but there's a Crown Royal right in front of you! [tup]

Can't determine whether you caught my comments right before your post about Alaska. Anyway, we're still in the early planning stages and haven't finalized a thing. I've thought about taking a ship up from Seattle - did that in 1960, only it was aboard a USCG Cutter - through the inland passage then out into the Gulf of Alaska to our homeport in Kodiak. I digress ...... Anyway, there are two criteria for this journey of ours: (1) Anchorage to Fairbanks and return by train - stopover at Denali. (2) The White Pass & Yukon. Something to ponder ...... [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning once again Tom and everyone else with insomnia. My problem is called writers block chaffing at the bit waiting for the info I need to complete the Tome. I should add one thing about the Heavyweight Pullmans If that company had there way A/C would still be of the ice variety as they stayed away from mechanical until the streamline era forced them to change. At least their would still be many Ice Houses around the country that are long gone now. I still stick with my argument about the trucks. The trucks under lightweight AT&SF, BN, UP, SCL, CN and CP cars were for the most part excellent. Amtrak went to much expense in the early years rebuilding certain trucks adding swing hangers to those they could etc. Another railroad that sent amtrak equipment with excellent ride quality trucks was the Milwaukee Road. The trucks under the cars determined which P/S and AC&F and SLC passenger cars that Amtrak would keep and convert to HEP.
Planning on an Alaskan Tour myself next year but will take Amtrak from the Central Valley to Seattle where we will board the ship. for Alaska. Cruise ends in Seward where we will board the ARR for Anchorage. Have friends in Anchorage so will spend a couple of days their before boarding the ARR for Fairbanks and return. We will then fly to Seattle where it will once again be Amtrak home. Decided to book all of the ARR myself separate from the cruise. The cruise will include the Narrow Gauge White Pass & Yukon. Having been a regular in Alaska for six yeras I have already rode the old trains from Anchorage to Fairbanks but would like to try the Ultra Domes which the ARR just bought and received this year. Having taken virtual tours of several of the Cruise ship owned Ultra Domes I could not resist.

[siberianmo]

G'mornin' earlydiesels Dan

Quite busy this fine day - and that's good! Gotta pay those bills .... these freebies are killin' me! It's a good thing that our special parties bring in the bucks to afford that blasted bell! [swg]

Plain donuts - [yeah] right over in the pastry case, to the left of the custard filled Long John's ....... [yeah]

If wishes were horses ..... somehow that saying fits many situations. Amtrak and first class passenger rail service somehow doesn't get it in my mind's eye. Sorry. I'm NOT an Amtrak basher - never have and hopefully will never be. However, I am a realist and I know that even with sufficient funding to do all of the things we'd like, there are bigger issues. Really. Instutional malaise on the part of so many employees - so many who were hired to fill gaps, who now have job security - more or less. These people are the ones we deal with whether aboard the trains or over the phone or at the stations. Anyone who has traveled Amtrak within the past couple of decades knows full well what I'm referring to. Cancer spreads - -pure and simple.

Alaska sells rail because it's Alaska! Sure the cruise ship folks would like to take the credit - but that journey from Anchorage up to Fairbanks would be a great attraction in spite of what the cruise ship industry has done to (or for) the railroad. It's just a matter of how the tourists get there ........ My wife and I are planning that trip for next year - and we're flying directly to Anchorage. I'm in hopes that when we book the train, I can do so WITHOUT getting caught up in the nonsense associated wtih these blasted organized tours. Really spoils the atmosphere as far as we're concerned. But, that's just my [2c] on the matter.

Se ya and glad you're spending the day with us! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’mornin’ passengerfan Al

Bar IS open ‘round here at 6 AM! Pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery come in ‘round 5ish.

As always, your discussion is quite interesting and evocative of things to say. I had read about the Pullman folks being reluctant to let go of the heavyweights – but considering the investment in equipment, parts and support, it probably made some sense. But one can’t hold out forever, change marches on ……

I’ve only seen the American Orient Express on PBS …. Looks to be a grand experience for a heft price and hardly a real railroading experience. Alas – perhaps one day not too far off, these will be the ONLY ways to travel the USA by long distance rail’

As much as I hate to cave in on this business of excursion and upscale trains – they are here to stay, at least as long as there are those with pockets deep enough to pay the freight – so to speak. That leaves me out, for sure. VIA Rail has all but put the Canadian in that category. Sure, it’s still scheduled (3 days a week in each direction) and sure they provide coach service, but all in all, that train is for tourists. Without the tourist dollars, there’d simply be insufficient demand. It’s a sad reality that hits home hard, really does.

Nothing or no one can bring a smile to my face quicker than heading to the platform where the gleaming silver & blue Budd streamliners await my boarding! Ahhhhhhhh.
[yeah]

Boris Ring the bell, and give ‘em all a double of OJ, on me this fine mornin’! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Morning everyone. Tom, I'll take some joe and something from the Mentor bakery. I have a weakness for plain donuts. Is there any to be found?
I have found it interesting and enlightning the previous comments about luxury trains and ride comparisons between heavy and lightweights. Some of the old Trains mags I have been reading of late have articles about Amtrak's formation and the inventory of cars prior to startup. Everything concerning these cars was discussed and ride quality was delved into quite well and left me with a better understanding. My experience is limited to the lightweights we rode on the M&NA once, RDCs, and the Midland. There, the heavyweights with 6 wheel trucks ride superb over the 4 wheel trucks, with the exception of our "new" Canadian coaches with that funky 4 wheel Commonwealth truck. They ride like the older 6 wheel cars.
More coffee, please. Tom, have a seat--not much going on right now so can relax and hopefully Boris will stay out of trouble. Luxury trains must be doing something right. Look at all the money spent on the equipment and you know dealing with Amtrak would'nt be either easy or cheap. They obviously cater to the extreme high end of clientele who have plenty of disposable income. Alaska RR found their niche in the cruise ship business and have been doing quite well. Look at all the new equipment they have bought the past couple of years. Two of their officials were in KC 2 seasons ago on business and rode the Midland. After I found out who they were, they rode the cab of the RS3 with me. Great guys. Made the comment to my fireman that they now knew where to get engineers!
I wish Amtrak would get the funding it needs to return first class service to the rails. I also wi***heir service area would expand to areas where there is no pass trains. With energy costs ever soaring, something has to be done to reduce our dependency on foreign oil.

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ barndad Doug

Three light breakfasts? Hmmmmmm – why not![?] [swg]

Wish I had some sage advice for you regarding your internet service – it just drives many of us crazy, no matter what the monthly outlay! Well, we’re happy that you’ve found a way to connect with us. [yeah][tup]

Suggestion – why not post your rail image URL from time to time[?] I’ve found that when these are put on the threads – the guys will click on ‘em rather than take the time to go elsewhere …….

See ya!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Guys! Glad to see some early birds ‘round here ….

Gunns Kevin As I said – insomnia, a side benefit of the onsest of old age!

Your comments regarding passenger rail travel over time are interesting. Makes sense that the mode of travel would have gotten better. I can well imagine the comments back when the stage coaches were in use!

In my list of things that bother me, put Cruise Trains right up there with wet toilet paper and warm beer. Not my favorite things at all. However, I DO think they would make it in today’s society. There’s lots of expendable bucks out there – lots of ‘em. Just look at the price of fuel and the apparent blasé attitude of those driving cars. Casinos ‘round these parts are packed – ball park is jammed – money isn’t the issue, at least not yet. So, yes – excursion trains can and do make it work for THEM. Otherwise there’d be no American Orient Express. Call up that web site and strap yourself in when in comes to pricing – same for the Rocky Mountaineeer. Good grief!

Can’t argue with one facet of what you had to say – better to use the cars than not.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom How about a coffee and one of those diet pastries from the Mentor. Just have to answer Gunns about the lightweight versus heavyweight passenger car ride.
First let me begin by saying that if Pullman had had their way the streamline era probably would never have happened. They resisted change and were quite happy with the 12-1 heavyweight car or battleship as it became affectionately known. They were content with 12 sections and 1 drawing room. It was the railroads themselves that first put presssure on Pullman for Bedrooms, Compartments and Roomettes. At first Pullman rebuilt many of the old 12-1 cars to newer type cars with the other type accommodations or offered new heavyweight cars built new with these accommodations and assigned them to trains like the Florida Special and Orange Blossom Special in the winter and operated them in the Los Angeles Limited and other western trains in the summer months.
The major changes came with the lightweight streamlined era and continued.
You asked about ride comparison. The six wheel trucks under many of the heavyweights gave a very solid ride when one considers it was all jointed rail. The lightweights provided a very comfortable ride but it really depended on the four wheel trucks they wre equipped with. Railroiads that bought large numbers of lightweights tended to go cheap on the trucks they rode on. The more a railroad spent on trucks the better the ride seems to be in the case in the lightweights.
The American Orient Express cars are all lightweights that have been rebuilt for luxury travel. It is my understanding that part of the rebuilding of these cars was additional weight added to the floor of the cars by way of poured concrete. This additional weight did not exceed the weight the four wheel trucks could accommodate. It is my understanding that the trucks were changed on some of their cars and others were remodeled during rebuilding. I haven't personally experienced a ride on this train yet but from what I have heard and read they are probably among the finest riding cars in North America.
Few luxury trains have had much success in the North American market.
The Superliner ii cars are among the best riding in todays mass produced cars. The earlier Superliner I cars had a much rougher ride. The old Santa Fe Hi-Levels were among the finest riding cars ever built.
Now if you ask me if a luxury train could make it in todays market place I would say yes but it would depend on the routes chosen and would have to follow the example of AOE to be a success.
Dinner trains run the gamot today from simple BBQ alongside the train to truly excellent dinner trains such as the Napa Valley Wine Train.
As to Tourist rail operations they also run the gamot from what I have seen and the better ones are still around. It seems to me if they last ten years then they will make it.
The cruise ship industry in Alaska has introduced the Ultra Domes a new facet of luxury rail travel that has spread to a number of companies in the Alaska and Canada market.
I think one would probably have to spend in excess of 1 million per car to enter the luxury train place today and the routes chosen would make or break any operation that even thinks about this segment of the rail market.
It's up to all of us with an interest in rail travel to pass thi interest on to our children and grandchildren or trains in North America are going to go the way of the DoDo bird.
Enough of my rambling this early AM. I'll be back when the bar opens.

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all other early birds! I'll have the light breakfast. No .... make that 3 light breakfasts, as I'm goofing off again today!
I'm barely back online because I'm using a regular phone line connection, as my broadband is giving us intermittant service. I'm convinced it's the modem (maybe). [:p]
I haven't been to the Illinois Railway Museum in a few weeks. It will be interesting to see the construction progress made in this time. You can see some of that on my Rail Image page. It's been hot here, pretty much the same as everyone else, and little to no rain. This summers weather is going to be memorable.
Have a good day all, and if possible, a great one!

[Gunns]

Hey [b]Tom,
Yer up late,

I've been thinking about cars again, Seems to me that the Pulman cars pulled rail travel from something that was "endured" to something that was enjoyable. When my family came west they walked pushing a cart, and were amazed by the speed of rail travel, but comented that having teeth pulled would be more fun. My parents however tell of train travel West to East and back as an exciting and fun experiance, and wish for the "Day" to return. So the Question is, were pulman heavy weights better than the lighter cars that came later? Economics are not what I'm after, but for comfort, and plesure in travel. Could a "Cruise Train" make it today, <American Orent express comes to mind>? And if so what would be better to use for cars?

Have Fun
Gunns

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning Guys! Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite, a tradition at ”Our” Place. No word about Nick’s Picks – but not to worry – we’ve got it covered. Just check out the menu board, right over there …… [tup]

Ready for some hot, freshly brewed Joe[?] Don’t forget the pastry case – filled with products from The Mentor Village Bakery – and of course our staple – a light breakfast to start the day. [yeah]

News of the day:

(1) Tomorrow, August 12th is the 4th month of existence for ”Our” Place on the Classic Trains Forum. We are going to have a special event taking place all day – drop by and offer 4 toasts to the continued success of our cyber bar ‘n grill and you’ll get a free frosty tankard of your favorite draught – or – a hefty glass of JD or Crown Royal! [tup]

Bonus: Tomorrow night, Nick, Chief Chef [C=:-)] will prepare a feast for all – in his own words:

QUOTE: Highland supper evening,---first the ****`a`leekie soup ,then the haggis piped in with due ceremony and observance, next ,the days bag of grouse( actually the birds shot the previous week) a citrus fruit sorbet, a whole double haunch of Welsh black beef roasted mid-well on the outside & mid-rare in the middle followed at a decent interval by a bottle or 6 of a decent single malt

Well, if that doesn’t do it – remember, it’s also Pizza Nite and Steak ‘n Fries nite ‘round here – so be sure to stop by! [tup]

(2) The SUMMARY has changed. Scroll up to read about it …….. This will be the new format, with perhaps a tweak here or there …. But no more redundancy of posts.

Enjoy!

SUMMARY:
Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 08:06:29 (70) Wednesday’s Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 09:44:26 (70) Change has arrived!

(3) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 09:47:50 (70)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 09:56:26 (70) reply to earlydiesels

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 10:22:20 (70)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug, 10:42:13 (70) reply to passengerfan

(7) alstom Richard Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 12:14:40 (70) First visit to “Our” Place

(8) Cfournier Chris Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 13:18:48 (70)

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 15:30:22 (70)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 15:48:54 (70) reply to alstom

(11) siberiannmo Tom Posted: Today, 15:59:19 (70) reply to Cfournier

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 16:07:01 (70) reply to Theodorebear

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 18:11:33 (70)

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 18:25:15 (70)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 19:00:10 (70) reply to pwolfe

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 19:12:12 (70) reply to West Coast S

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 19:44:17 (71)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 20:04:47 (71) reply to passengerfan

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 21:40:59 (71) Our Place Cast of Characters

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 22:50:21 (71)

(21) CFournier Chris Posted: 10 Aug 2005, 23:57:13 (71)

(22) Gunns Kevin Posted: 11 Aug 2005, 02:21:05 (71)

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Aug 2005, 02:34:18 (71) reply to trolleyboy

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Aug 2005, 02:42:37 (71) reply to Cfournier

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Aug 2005, 02:47:41 (71) reply to Gunns

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Early mornin' to ya, Gunns Kevin

Just wanted to acknowledge that you've stopped by .... talking about hot, we made it to 99 (F) on Wednesday - and will be near that again today. Been a brutal July/Aug 'round these parts - worst I can recall since living here from 1977 on ....... especially with the insufficient rain fall. Not good ......

Next time, you owe us some train talk! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Very early mornin' to ya Chris

Now, THAT's better .... [swg] ..... one thing I learned quickly aboard ship, never - ever, offend the cook. Same thing with a bar - we barkeeps are sensitive! [swg]

Well, I'm convinced - I'm gong to have to visit the museum at Delson. We're contemplating a trip to Ottawa this November - still in the early planning stages. We have the time - it's the costs of the air fare that prevents us from booking right now. Anyway, we'll more than llkely fly to Toronto and then take VIA Rail to Ottawa - stay a couple of nights - rent car, etc. So, from downtown - where's Delson[?] I know I could research it easily enough - but it's good conversation for us all! Thanx. [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Early mornin' Rob

Insomnia night for me and there's no particular reason that I can think of. Happens .... moreso as one ages. YOU'LL ALL FIND THAT OUT one day (night!). [swg]

Appreciate the endorsement for the new SUMMARY format - thanx! And, another thanx for the Emails. [tup]

With regard to those VIA Rail Renaissance cars that we picked up on in the Emails, who knows what's next for them insofar as modifications go[?] The cars just weren't built for the type of travel one expects while riding Canadian rails. As a letter-writer over the years to VIA Rail's CEO's (and there have been a few!), I've voiced an opinion or two - and to their credit, received responses - about the introduction and use of the Euro cars for overnight travel. Now, they've done a great job with that dining car - it truly is appointed well - kudoos to the work done in conversion. The food preparation[?] An abomination for sure. It isn't microwave, nor is it conduction - something similar - akin to airline meals with more portions. Taste [?] Not for me and not again. Bedroom cars are weird - just weird. Every other room has the seating backwards when the beds are in the up position. Backwards doesn't get it and apparently there's no money to convert them. Oh the interiors are nicely done - really are. But then again, new is most times - nice. I do lilke the toilet facilities and sink separate from the sleeping area - nice touch. The beds are smaller than those of the Budd variety and storage space is absolutely lacking, especially for suitcases. Nah - no more of that. The coaches are fantastic - nicely done and much better suited for Corridor than the Ocean Single seating along one side - double on the other; very large windows - very comfortable and spacious seats - cart snack and beverage service. Nicely done - too bad a seat in the coach doesn't come along with the bedroom booking! They do let you sit there, space permitting of course. Then there is the issue of the dome cars - or lack thereof. VIA Rail has decided to put on a Budd observation dome (or dome observation, for those who prefer that order of words) for the tourist season on the Ocean. Now that looks plainly funky really. Anyway, they've added a tourist flavor to the train which I suppose is geared to give one a snippet of what you experience these days aboard the Canadian while crossing Canada. With their Learning Coordinator and push for seats in the 24-seat configured dome, the ambiance has been changed so much that ........ I could go on and on and on ...... Just not my cuppa, so to speak. [tdn] overall.

Actually, after 15 years of travel between Montreal and Halifax, we consider ourselves fortunate indeed to have experienced so much pleasure while riding the Ocean, a jewel of Canadian passenger railroading for sure - over 100 years in running. Too bad they've turned it into a tourist train (May-Oct) and a shame that the Budd cars go off the line for keeps on Jan 1st.

It will be interesting to read ***'s accountings of their return trip to Montreal from Halifax when he checks in with us again. Hopefully a bit more pleasant for them than the initial journey.

Catch you later ....... [;)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Hi Tom,
Coffee please <Yep am back at work.>
was work day today at the 2926 site, it was hot, but much got done. a sandwich please, more later,
Gunns

[CFournier]

Good evening to you gentlemens. TOM, how are you my friend? A cold Double Diammond for me please.
PWOLF, we DO have this particular british loco right here in Delson ( 15 minutes from my house). It is in a nice green paint with number 60010 on, Dominion of Canada on the sides and a red headboard with gold letters spelling Flying Scottsman. It’s a 4-6-2, and it is in a very good shape too. I have a few pictures from my last visit. It is displayed inside the main building. It is my son’s favorite loco at the museum. One strange thing about it is the ``tunnel`` that runs from the back of the tender to the cab of the loco. These locos were so equipped to let a second crew, sleeping in an adjacent car directly coupled to the tender, on the move, move from the car to the inside of the tender and reappear inside the cab! The tender had a door at it’s rear to connect with the car. The tunnel is narrow and low ( a bump on my head...) On first sight I tought it was a Mallard loco... Is it the same? Now if I could only post pictures on this forum...
Trolleyboy, I did not see the docmentary on the sinking of the Athabaskan, (a canadian destroyer for our american friends). BTW, when I’m in Toronto I always visit the Haida in the harbor, a well preserved tribal class destroyer of the RCN. I remember visiting the North-Carolina in Wilmington, the Massachusset in Fall River, RI, the Intrepid and a destroyer in NY, some other USN ships in Buffalo,in Savannah, and a sub in San Francisco.
Chris

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and any or all of the rest of you.I think a guiness would serve tonight.Tom speaking of serving the new summeries are spot on[tup][yeah]I tend to read late at night as I'm not a morning person and work or the museum takes up the best 12 hours of the day.Also I seem to get a better dial up signal late at night. Or am I actually a vampire of some sort hmmm[xx(][:O][oops] did I say that out loud it was 'spoused to be in my head.pwolf I think your loco is at Delson though I'm sure that I had seen it on display at the Museum of technology in Ottawa. This isn't necessarily an odd thing. Delson's collection is huge and they do have some of their equipment stored or displayed outside of their main facility in Montreal.Ted I'm glad you are still with us. as to the mailed humour, you know the old saying about laughter being the best medacine, if good ones come by I'm happy to share.[tup] I like your pictures BTW, I just haven't figured out how to transfer them yet. Not to worry I'm still working on it.Al Sorry i haven't got any of the VIA info you wanted,hopefully someone will respond to your official queries from VIA itself.Always remember Canadian burocracy tends to be very much monolithic( in both official languages ) I think you got Omar's name right. As an interesting side note he was one of the very early members of our museum as well. Not one of the founders but he was certainly a charter member # 11 or 12 I think. My wife could tell you she was the membership secratary for many years.When Omar passed we lost a very big part of rail heritage.He likley forgot more informantion than he ever managed to publish. I recomend any of his authored or co-authored books. Another possible sorce of info for you would be the BRMNA ( British Rail Modellers of North America ) If you go to our gift shop on the museum web site you will see the books they publish. Soft cover rail info good info on just about anything that passed through canada rail wise,all roads all eras.We had to stop operations at the museum today due to some heavy thunderstorm activity so I ended up in the restoration barn. I'm still picking bits of TTC creame off my skin.We finally started painting large whitt 2424. Her two year refurbishment is almost complete.Regular service with this car should commence in September[yeah] Good to get "Bertha" back.If anyone has been reading the museum's website you will know that car 416 has been a major restoration focus.I looked in on her today and i'm happy to report that her new roof is finished.Tongue and groove (hardwood) and the west vestibule roof is framed and she has a complete new floor installed also hardwood.Electrics windows and vesibules and brake rebuilding still required,but the work has been progressing well.[tup] Well gentlemen and [alien]Boris that's it for tonight. Rob

[siberianmo]

The Cast of Characters from ”Our” Place

siberianmo Tom is the Proprietor and head bartender.

Theordorebear Ted is the Manager.

nickinwestwales Nick is Chief Chef.

Boris is - well, he’s Boris who works in the kitchen and anywhere else needed. He was hired by Nick, Chief Chef and is assistant cook. He’s not too hard to spot, as Boris is not of this world. Kinda difficult to maintain eye contact with him. He’s playful and unaware of his strength. We do not permit him to tend bar – however, he loves to ring the bell when a round is purchased.

Leon the Night Man is Tom’s relief behind the bar around 9 PM or so, Central Time. He closes up. He’s easily recognized by his rather large size, enormous hands, and shiny brand new Jump Boots. Leon also serves as Doorman and Bouncer for special events and may be seen in a tuxedo – with Jump Boots of course.

Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his earstwhile friend and companion Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator make up the security force ‘round here.

The Gals of “Our Place” are:

Ruth the redhead – Ann the blonde – Lucy the brunette and Jemima the raven haired beauty. These gals were found and hired by Tom and named by Nick. They work evenings, pretty much anywhere in the place, Thursday thru Saturday, and special events. Look, but don’t touch – at least not while on duty!

Then there’s Cindy with the auburn hair. She’s a faculty member from the Mentor Village all female University – right up the road. She’s not paid, but loves to volunteer her services either behind the bar – for me – or in the kitchen, with Nick. She’s also active in the local Victoria’s Secret lingerie shows …….

Then of course, there are all of YOU!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' passengerfan Al Hmmmmmm - not sure whether "Good evening gang" is a violation of Rule #1 - not greeting the barkeep! Have to think about it ...... [swg]

Hey Boris put down the yard goat and c'mon inside and ring the bell! Time for a round on Al! Strange fella, that Boris. Picked up that switcher like it was a toy ....

I'll just sit back and enjoy the input on what you've had to say .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good evening gang Today i need to start witha double CR and a round for the house.
West Coast S I will do some digging but SP usually kept Pullman out of their comissary revenues. The only lightweight incidence I know of on the SP was the two LARK observations. Since these cars were Sleeper Buffet Lounge cars Pullman operated the cars and they operated between San Jose and Oakland as the Oakland LARK along with a sleeping car where they joined the rest of the Lark from and to LA. These two Observations were capable of providing any meal available in the Lark Club or matching any drink. As to heavyweight Cafe cars the SP owned their own and would not be inclined to share revenue with Pullman. Pullman operated several heavyweight dining cars but do not have any information on Cafe cars operated by Pullman on the SP. Even the heavyweight Daylights that operated Cafe cars during the depression were SP owned. Pullman really owned very few dining cars and can't think of any SP trains that would have operated Pullman owned Cafe cars. The Overland when it was heavyweight and all Pullman operated with C&NW or UP or SP dining cars operating over those lines. Most railroads tried to keep Pullman out of dining and lounge revenues. That is the reason that Pullman didn't own that many dining cars during the heavyweight years. Pullman did build many of the heavyweight dining cars for the railroads including SP but they were owned and crewed by the owning railroads. I'm sure that many heavyweight Cafe cars owned by SP were Pullman built as well.

[siberianmo]

G'day West Coast S

They are here! [yeah] The S-gauge trains finally arrived, and man oh man do they look fine. I'll post some pix tomorrow after I get the GP35 hand rails and windows installed .......

Ring the bell, Boris and a round for the house on Dave ....... no Boris ring the bell - the bell! Geesh! And, the 4 toasts are for Friday - and you'll have to state each and every one in order to qualify for those drinks! [swg]

Those heavyweights should look real good - if they are the ones I recently looked at on AM's web site. That outfit is something else - no hurry whatsoever. What IS it with this aspect of the hobby? Really! If S-gaugers and S-scale folks want to pu***he hobby - and they should - I'd say those who are in the manufacturing end of it aren't helping very much. Oh well - I'm fully stocked now - ain't a thing I need, rollilng stock wisse, from this point on. As always, my pikes are built to saturation at the get-go! [swg]

For those who are interested in the model railroads in my life, check out:
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber

Oh yes - thanx for the comments on the new SUMMARY! [tup]

See ya!
Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day pwolfe Pete

You're off to a grand start 'round here and the guys have taken a liking to what you have to say. Better be careful, this place IS habit forming and we DO NOT provide warning labels!

Hopefully you've had the chance to browse the back pages and become a bit familiar with the cast of characters 'round here. In time, you'll come to know them, as they will surely get to know YOU! [swg]

One thing that we should emphasize 'round here is that Classic Trains are not restricted to those found in North America. Appreciate your comments on those A's -p something many of us may not have known about - or simply knew through pictures. Keep 'em coming ....... [tup]

KCity by Amtrak[?] [yeah] That's a trip I make 4 or 5 times a year. I live about 20 minutes from the Kirkwood station and enjoy the 10 hour round trip aboard the train in business class. Been doing that for about 15 years ....... Next trip [?] Soon! I'm itching to go - but it's a logistics matter for me - gotta work it out with the bride and her work schedule, for we have a Siberian Husky to care for - and we know who comes first 'round here. [swg] So, yes - we could easily hook up for that journey.

Enjoy the evneing!
Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang...

Four toast of the best and a round for the house. Welcome back Ted, Nick. Rob and Chris, OK, who can provide some history on Pullman heavyweight Cafe operations in general and the SP specifically? I placed an order for the last two available from Tom's favorite supplier to round out my passenger fleet. Tom the new summary format looks good, had no problems catching up on current events. Where are my manners? I neglected to offer a round for our newcomers as well "welcome aboard".

Pwolf: Since this engine has a connection with history, it stands alone, I know it was taken off display for a appearance at least once since being donated and was considered for possible restoration to operation once.

Some background as to what the history of this particular A4 is. As Supreme Allied Commander, Gen. Eisenhower was provided a British Railways A4 equipped with armour plating and several converted cars to be used for communication, staff, security squad and personal living space . A smilar train was provided, courtesy of the French for use on the continent. After the war, it was donated as a token of appreciation by the British Commonwealth.


Whew'...didn't mean to ramble on..A round of the house best for the gang if you you please, happy 4th all.

Dave[tup]

[pwolfe]

HI Tom and all.
A pint of BATHAMS please[wow] that tastes good.
Thanks passengerfan, trolleyboy, theodorebear for the info and welcome [tup]
cfornier. The engine in I looking for is numbered 60010 and the name is DOMINION OF CANADA I think the Flying Scotsman name is a headboard on the loco,this refers to a train service that ran between London and Edinburgh although there is a Flying Scotsman locomotive,which is an A3 CLASS built from 1922. The A4's were a developement of this with a streamlined curved front end

These locos were from the L.N.E.R. company who used letters to denote wheel arrangement e.g A= 4-6-2 J=0-6-0 etc I hope this is helpful.

There is a A1 class loco being built from scratch hopefully to be finished in 2007.You have to admire these people who attempt this and all who keep the railroads and equipment for us to admire.
[tup]

Well Tom I had better have another BATHAMS. If you are coming through JEFF CITY can you let me know perhaps we could ride AMTRAK to Kansas City to see the new classic diesels which I believe are to go on display at Union station

Hope to be able to call in friday for NICK'S feast sounds great [tup]
PETE.

[siberianmo]

G'day Ted

Happy to see you perched on your permanent stool and partaking in the spirits as well. [tup] Always enjoy having you 'round here - especially since you're on the payroll!!! You are the Manager of this establishment ........ Geesh!

It's been quite an up 'n down situation 'round here since your last prolonged stay ... some new, some not - but it's been a feast or famine week or two. Glad you like the new look, the idea is to get the guys to read and to provide me with a bit of a break as well. I figure this new format will do both - better.

Good post from you, and the inclusiveness goes a long way in keeping us all interested. [tup][tup]

Whaddyamean see us on Friday [?] Not coming in for the Fish 'n Chips tomorrow [?] Give ME one of those things you're drinking ..........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Tweeeeeet Tweeeeeeet - Rule violation! Tweeeeeeet Tweeeeeeeet. Rule violation!

Huh[?] [yeah] Violation of Rules#1 and #2- entering the premises without greeting the barkeep AND failure to order a drink! [tdn]

Surprised at you, Chris! Try again! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]