"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon All:

I'm so not used to seeing the sun on the west side of the bldg. Round for all and coffee for me, please. Have just a short time to visit today.

Fallen Flag on the D&H was most welcome and it brought back memories of one of the more interesting incidents that happened to me at Saratoga. Back in the day, as most of you recall, the D&H's passenger trains were pulled by PAs. I used to make the trip form Boston to D&H country to get pictures of these beasties which were truly a breathtaking example of form following function.

Well, one fall afternoon I was at Saratoga geting ready to photograph the PAs with a backdrop of lovely fall colors. Just as they came into view here came a D&H freight pulled by three C-628s; normally a cause for happiness, but in this case one for frustration. Somewhere in my slides is a shot of the some of the cars on the freight train with lots of black smoke from behind them as the PAs pulled out of Saratoga, blocked from view by a bunch of boxcars. Oh well, sometimes you bite the bear and other times...I did get shots of the C628s so don't be too tough on me.

Have a good evening

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day Pete

How fortuitous - I was on line trying to get some 'puter assistance from Dell (LOL) and while waiting, thought I'd open another window to check the bar 'n grill - there you were! [tup]

The old Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad (Rock Island Line) has quite a history in Missouri. Perhaps we'll talk about it on the train tomorrow ... anyway, here's some info you may find of interest from an Oct 8th, 1999 press release:

QUOTE: IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

OMAHA, October 7 -- Union Pacific Railroad announced today it has sold the central
portion of the former Rock Island Line across central-Missouri to the Missouri Central
Railroad.

Financial terms of the sale were not disclosed.

The portion of the line Union Pacific sold to Missouri Central is 244 miles between Vigus, which is west of St. Louis near Chesterfield, to Pleasant Hill. Union Pacific will retain the ownership of the line between Kansas City to Pleasant Hill and Vigus to St. Louis. Missouri Central will be able to operate over those portions of the line through a trackage rights agreement.

The Missouri Central will take over the line today.

The line, locally known as the "Rock Island line", was acquired by Union Pacific as the
result of the 1996 UP/Southern Pacific Railroad merger. Southern Pacific had purchased the line from the bankrupt Rock Island in the early 1980s to have a route between St. Louis and Kansas City. SP, however, obtained permission to operate over a parallel line owned by Union Pacific as a result of the merger between UP and Missouri Pacific Railroad in 1982. The line has not been used, except for about 80 miles between St. Louis and Owensville, since the early 1980s.

MoCentral has since gone by the wayside and the current owner is AMEREN Corp.; they lease out freight rights for "situational" service between St. Louis and Union, MO. As I've been told, some of the MoCentral partnership still has their hand in the operation, but under a different name and organization. Gets rather convoluted and moreso as time passes.

A group that I headed up was trying to use a portion of the right-of-way for commuter rail service from Chesterfield (where I live) eastward to the nearest light-rail station (MetroLink). Long, sad and frustrating story which ended in lots of effort with zero results.

I'll point out some of the right-of-way to you as we head west to Pleasant Hill. The Surface Transportation Board (STB) has the say with regard to whether rail right of way can be scrapped, left in place, etc. The decisions thus far have fallen in favor of leaving it "as is" in the belief that there's a rather nebulous legal responsibility to have the designed right of way remain should service someday be restored to the towns along the line. I know that sounds crazy - but true. There have been several efforts to have those "treed in" areas returned to the original landowners (or whoever today holds title). That too has been turned down. Hiking and biker trails people are eyeing the right of way as well ..... Okay 'nuf of that!

Glad someone 'round here liked that Rock Island Line song! Seems just like yesterday .... [swg]

See ya in the 'morrow!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

As it is after noon i'll have a Bathams and a ham sandwich please .

I meant to mention the piece on the Rock Island line, thanks for the Fallen flag. If you travell south of Jeff City on Highway 54 just north of ELDON M.O.there is an disused railroad which I have found out is part of the Rock Island line from Kansas City to St Louis. The rails look to be still in place although the track bed is returning to nature. Does anyone know when it closed and why the rails were left in place [?]
The lyrics to Lonnie Donnigans Rock Island line brought back memories as it was very popular in England at the time. In fact the first record I ever bought was his Battle Of New Orleans.That ages me a bit
[sigh].

WESTCOASTDAVE It was interresting that the U.P. tried Caprotti valve gear. In Britain I believe that the valves were held in place with steam with a guage in the cab to show the pressure. The last express steam loco built by British Railways in 1954 was a 4-6-2. 3-cylinder loco with Caprotti gear #71000 DUKE OF GLOUCESTER. It was an indifferent performer when new but was luckily saved and after a lot of hard work was put back into running order. they found that the ashpan had been made incorrectly restricting the flow of air to the fire. They have corrected this and added a improved stack arrangement and the loco is now a strong and a very capable performer.

NICK posted some photos of a TERRIER type locos. Another member of the class has been steamed.LONDON BRIGHTON & SOUTH COAST # 662 MARTELLO at Bressingham Steam Museum in Norfolk. Was there at town of Martello in your neck of the woods NICK[?].

Well I'll have one for the road and hope to call in later PETE.

[siberianmo]

G'day Boyz!

Well it's noon here in mid-continent USA and I see that we've had only a few customers drop in - Rob just before mid-night; Ted early this AM and BK 'bout an hour ago. Whazzup with that [?] Feast or famine strikes again! [swg]

Rob Now that's a wise use of equipment for your guys to use 'em as sleepers ... makes sense. Perhaps we should do that for our Rendezvous in May. [swg] Nah, methinks a hotel room would be the better choice. Now if the sleeper were rolling along as part of a long distance consist - well, that's 'nother matter! [tup]

All kinds of talk going on here in the St. Louis area about restoring a trolley line or two. While I have no problem with it, the idea is really more for tourism and the associated business interests than tranist. That's all well 'n good - but I don't want my tax dollars supporting this, especially since our light-rail MetroLink doesn't link the Metro! Don't get me started ....... arggggggggh. I can see restoration of streetcars only if they truly provide an alternative means of transportation to the automobile. That I can support.

Looks like we're going to be without coalminer3 CM3 for awhile and who knows what the deal is with passengerfan Al. Our friend earlydiesels Dan is under the weather and Sir *** is globe trotting. We've been advised that our night owl Gunns Kevin will be spending time aloft ... so that really cuts us down to a precious few, eh [?] All the more reason to try and get our Posts spread out over those "windows" I mentioned: 6 AM to Noon- Noon to 6 PM and 6 PM to Midnight.

I'll keep at the Fallen Flags for a bit longer - however, they may be starting to wear thin ....... [?]

And I concur with your thinking about a tuba for Boris - that ain't gonna happen! [swg]

Ted What's the rush [?] You're at the stage of life where things just should be falling into whatever place they belong. Rush [?] Geesh! What's more important than spending hours on end at the screen and keyboard [?] [swg] Remember, a Post in haste, is a Post made waste! [wow] [tup] for the Proprietor!

BudKarr BK Was wonderin' if we'd hear from you again! Appreciate the info - rather technical, but undoubtedly of interest to us here at the bar 'n grill for Classic Trains!. Don't be a stranger ....... [tup]

Okay, boyz - I've done my part - Posted a Summary, a Fallen Flag and an Oktoberfest announcement. That's it 'til I see some responses.

Cindy has the bar! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Reports of my demise were greatly exaggerated - I'm still here. How about a large sarnie with a sample of all your lunchmeats - lettuce and mayo should be fine. A pitcher of Olympia will do. Thank you - and hello barkeep.

Been browsing the net of real trains and came across a few things that perhaps will fit in with the theme of this place - classic trains. I have traveled on these trains. Wish I had some pictures - but that's just not possible in my situation. No doubt this stuff came from a printed source - but I haven't the foggiest who or where, otherwise I'd give credit. For the technically minded then, I give you:

From France: The TGV 10-car trainset of the French National Railways (SNCF) back in 1981.

Type: High-speed articulated multiple unit electric train.
Gauge: 4ft 8.5in. (1.435mm).
Propulsion: In each of two motor coaches, current taken from overhead wires at either 1,500V DC or 25,000V 50 Hz (or, ain a few cases 15,000V 16.66 Hz) supplied through rectifiers and-or chopper control to six 704hp (525kW) traction motors mounted on the coach body and geared to the axels through spring drive; two motors on each bogie of the power car and two on the adjoining end bogie of the articulated set.
Weight: 427,575lb (194t) adhesive, 941,465lb (381.8t) total.
Max. Axle load: 35,480lb (16.lt).
Overall length: 656ft 9.5in (200,190mm).
Max. Speed: 162mph (260km/h) initially, 186mph (300km/h) ultimately.

The French National Railways' (TGV) holds (or held) the world speed record of 236mph (380km/h) for a conventional train.
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From Italy: The Fiat Ferroviaria Savigliano SpA (Fiat), 1976.
ET 401 Pendolino Four car train

Type: High speed electric train with body-tilting mechanisms.
Gauge: 4ft 8.5in (1.435mm).
Propulsion: Direct current at 3,000V fed via overhead catenary to eight 335hp (250kW) motors, two on each car, each driving one axle with longitudinal cardan shafts and gearing.
Weight: 177,422lb (80.5ft) adhesive, 354,845lb (161t) total.
Max. axle load: 23,145lb (10.5ft).
Overall length: 340ft 2.5in (103,700mm).
max. speed: 156mph (250km/h).

Italy was the 2nd country to put tilting trains into service, Japan being the first with the Class "381" trains.

From Great Britain: British Railways (BR) Class 370 "APT-P" Train, 1979.

Type: High speed electric passenger train.
Gauge: 4ft 8.5in. (1,435mm).
Propulsion: AC at 25,000V 50Hz fed via overhead catenary, step down transformer and thyristor-based control system to four body mounted 1,000hp motors in two power cars, driving the wheels through longitudinal shafts and gearing.
Weight: 297,540lb (135t) adhesive, 1,014,942lb (460.6t) total.
Max. Axle load: 37.248lb (16.9t).
Overall length: 963ft 6in. (293,675mm).
Max. speed: 150mph (240km/h).

The driving end of British Railways' Advanced Passenger Train, production-prototype version, "APT-P" had the power cars situated in mid-train and also had tilting capability.

BK

[siberianmo]

OKTOBERFEST at ”Our” Place begins this Saturday, October 1st at Noon!

We will feature GERMAN brew all month!

GERMAN sausages will be added to the menu for the month, with all the trimmings!

On Saturday’s in October The Mentor Village Tutonic Society will sponsor Oompah Music live at the “Our” Place picnic grounds Pavillion and Dance Emporium! Performers include the Sauerkraut Band, Electric Lederhosen and Burst the Wurst Trio

Lederhosen and Alpine hats will be worn by "Our Place"! staff throughout the month!

Full scale LGB trains will be running on the main lines for free round trips to Can-Am Gorge on weekends – 10 AM to 4 PM. First northbound departs the ”Our” Place platform at 10 AM sharp, undt ve mean, sharp![swg]

PLAN TO SHARE THIS FALL CELEBRATION WITH US!

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

I must admit that today's Post comes prematurely as I won't have time to read all the replies since my last one.PHEW. Please Tom, a strong Sanka w/non dairy creamer and 3 packettes of Sweet & Low.[xx(] Just kidding![(-D] No, make it a Balderdash, shaken not strirred, please. The reason for the helter skelter dash (non-diesel) is a family in a "out of pocket" situation needs a little boost. I can help a bit by providing employment in the form of house cleaning. As this task is my least favorite, why not?[tup] They will be here very soon and I must "sort of" clear a path so they can find the floor.[:O]

CM3 and Nick, thouroughly enjoyed your "takes" on Olde and New England memorabilia.[^] I can't get enough of that sort of nostalgia. Tom, you're right! There isn't anything much "purtier" than seeing a wild Elk admiring a string of Budd cars gliding down the ROW into the sunset.[tup] When things get back to normal hysteria, I will "give it another go." Right Boris, I believe ***'s account is taxed to the limit, so this one is one me.[:D] CLANG, ahhh, music to me ears! Hey, what fell out of the bell? GADFREY DANIEL! The label reads The Bell and Borscht Shop, but its ladies foundation gaments.[:O] Nick....can we talk? Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Delaware & Hudson

Headquarters: Albany, NY

Route mileage in 1950: 765 – 2000: 1,381

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 153

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 9,394 Passenger cars – 55

Principal lines in 1950:

Albany-Troy-Mechanicville, NY – Montreal, QC (Napierville Junction Railway trackage Rouses Point, NY-Montreal)
Binghamton-Oswego, NY (Erie trackage)
Nineveh, NY-Wilkes Barre, PA
Hudson-Buttonwood Yard, PA
Delanson-Mechanicville, NY
Schenectady-Balston Spa, NY
Saratoga Springs-Tahawus, NY (U.S. Government trackage North Creek-Tahawus)
Troy-Castleton, VT (B&M trackage Troy-Eagle Bridge, NY)
Whitehall, NY-Rutland, VT
Plattsburg-Lyon Mountain, NY
Plattsburg-Ausable Forks, NY
Fort Ticonderoga-Ticonderoga, NY
Oneonta-Cooperstown, NY
Cobleskill-Cherry Valley, NY

Using CONRAIL trackage in 1976:

Oswego-Buffalo & Niagara Falls, NY
Wilkes Barre-Harrisburg,PA-Washington, DC
Scranton-Allentown, PA-Newark, NJ
Allentown-Philadelphia

Passenger trains of note:

Laurentian (New York-Albany-Montreal)
Montreal Limited (New York-Albany-Montreal)

Of note:
All cars south of Albany handled by NYC.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Morning Gang! Time for some hot coffee – fresh pastry from The Mentor Village Bakery and a light breakfast to get the day started!

News of the Day:

HELP WANTED! I’ll be riding Amtrak on Wednesday, so we’ll need a few guys to help out ‘round here. Cindy will take care of the bar …. But you’lll need to help with the conversation! [swg] Thanx in advance! [tup]

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags , Heralds of the Fallen Flags and Passenger Train Nostalgia

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

106 – SP
106 – MoPac
108 – WP
109 – Frisco
112 - CNR
112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” in the 1800’s and early 1900’s
114 – ACL
115 – SCL
116 - D&RGW
117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 California Zephyr’s Budd Co. Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
118 – RI

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 00:38:10 (118) Monday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 07:10:0 (118)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 07:28:51 (118) Fallen Flag – RI

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 07:44:28 (118) reply to Theodorebear –and- bell restoration

(5) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 08:00:18 (118)

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 08:20:23 (119)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 08:38:02 (119) reply to nickinwestwales

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 08:58:08 (119) reply to coalminer3

(9) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 12:46:39 (119)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 13:59:22 (119) reply to West Coast S

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 14:29:44 (119)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 15:30:45 (119) reply to West Coast S

(13) Gunns Kevin Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 15:31:36 (119)

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 15:58:45 (119)

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 17:57:20 (119)

(16) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 18:29:08 (119)

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 18:34:49 (119)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 19:20:22 (119) reply to Gunns – West Coast S – pwolfe

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 21:52:13 (119)

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 23:50:29 (119)

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon looks as though I just missed Tom so I'll help myself to a nice frosty carlesburgh seeing as how oktober fest is upon us. The best one here in Ontario in Kitchener - waterloo starts on the 10th and runs for ten days.[tup][:p][;)] Tom Liked the latest incarnation of the fallenflags [tup] keep em comming. If you get a chance to look for Gregg Macdonnels "Heartland" good pictures of the midwest us [tup][^] That via car is an ex NYC smoothside Dorcas Bay we use it as are crew sleeper for those staying up over a weekend. Saves on hotel bills. The CP Van behind it is also set up for the crew to sleep in. One of my best friends at the musuem has taken speacial intrest in the Van. Insatlled a window AC unit the whole nine yards. His final "pice de resistance" was a blue neon sign for thee window that says " Bar " he claims it;s his night light. Dave The orange county museum is on my long term have to see. If we make it down I'll deffinatly take you up on the offer. My aforementioned freind Ian and another museum member are heading down to LA and san Fran next year on a trolley riding train watching museum spectacular.I have a sugestio for you. A Tuba is maybe not a good musical choice. We all know how confused Boris got when he first saw a flu***oilet[:0][:(!] We wouldn't want him thinking it was a gold plated bede. Ted I was pullin Toms lower extremity I know he's a deep down closet trolley fan[;)] Your wish may soon come true alot of cities US and Canada are seriously looking at trolley's and light rail as the wave of the future.[:(!]Go figure leave it to the political hacks to think of the old as the new thing some of these guys are likley the ones that voted for roads and busses to start with. sorry [#offtopic] my bad [soapbox] Boris ring the ding I'm buying for being political again.[V][:I] Nick Glad you liked RT7 and Geroge he doesn't eat or drink much and not to worried about being paid. Our kind of operator[tup][:D]. Loved the ONR shots BTW. I have to get you to North Bay sometime you'll be a kid in the candy store. [tup][swg]Well folks I'm off happy rails fer now. Rob

[siberianmo]

Okay guys, time for me to call it a nite! Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Remember, drinks on ***'s expense account 'til midnight! [swg]

Thanx to all who made this an active Monday! [tup][tup][tup]

Only downers for me are the continuing puzzlements regarding a few of our regulars Posting elsewhere, but not here .... I just don't get it. [sigh] What more must we do [?][%-)][%-)] Also, not one word about today's Fallen Flag - Rock Island Lilne [:(]

Well, tomorrow is a NEW day!

Nite .... [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

Looks like I've got a crowd in here and a need to respond to the Posts ..... but first, remember all drinks are on *** 'til closing time! Ring the bell Boris and let's run up that tab! [yeah][wow]

Gunns Kevin Look Mate, it goes like this - steel wheels on steel tracks. Baloons just don't get it! [swg] Have fun and of course, stay safe .....

Octoberfest 'round these parts begins on this coming Saturday. Watch for the "promotion" at "Our" Place! Until then, the food around here is the standard stuff we always have ....... sorry! [:D]

West Coast S Dave Your 2nd Email has been received ..... thanx! I'm a "grad" from the predecessor of Glynco ..... the "academy" at 14th & K!

That "black box" I was referring to does exist. Just haven't taken the time to research it out .... put 35mm slide in and convert it to digital for transfer to a disc. If it's affordable - I'm buying one. Wold love to make a disc for each of my kids of when they were kids. (Mine are all in their 40's ........) The pictures from my sailor days would also be nice for a disc or two. Pehaps the grandkids might get a kick out of 'em some day. If they remain as 35mm slides - no one will see 'em, even though the Kodak Carousel projector works just fine (have an extra bulb too!).

pwolfe Pete Great news - we'll meet up aboard Amtrak on Wednesday morning in JCity! [swg]

Glad you enjoyed the pix and Posts .... we're on a roll and hopefully our "nucleus" of guys will maintain the momentum, although from time to time, we have our absences. That's where it's nice for some unanticipated help to arrive ..... for example, ***'s trip reports on Sunday. [tup]

Always appreciate the insights from British Rail ... we kinda get in a rut over here and sometimes think we have the only Classics, which of course isn't the case. Just check out Nick's Pix on the photo album.

Trainnut484 Russell I believe I'm the RDC "nut" 'round here and I request that you hold off 'til Sunday for the picture posting. Really want to make that a "thing" for the bar 'n grill, otherwise we become "just another" picture posting site - don't want that. Thanx! [tup]

That's an interesting thought, a ladies "Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion Room." I think we'd need a license for something like that - given the strict codes of our village elders. Might be interpreted as something "untoward," as they used to say. Wouldn't want that now, would we [?] I like the idea and will think about it - if for no other reason that to offer it to Cindy and her group for their "meetings." Of course, Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his earstwhile partner, Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator will have to conduct the background investigations. [}:)][:-,]

Dave A Christmas tuba fund for Boris [?] - Good Grief man, what ARE you thinking [?] Your responsibility is to find a home, and hopefully some remuneration, for that gold plated clapper that caused our bell to sound like Notre Dame gone wild! [swg]

Catch y'all later and Cindy has departed the premises! [sigh]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon (again) Tom.. Replied to your message, fellow graduate of Glynco.

Pwolf, glad you survived the walnut experience, and welcome aboard as a fellow comrade in the Order Of The Permanate Stool. You have walnuts, we have Westeria Vines, big event here in So. Cal. once a year to go look at some overgrown shrub. The wife and I attended one year and the crowds were enormous, can't figure out what all the fuss was about, if I fired the gardner we would be able to hold our own eventzzz][zzz]

I'm not familar enough with foreign rails to qualify a intelligent response, but Caprotti does ring a bell, ( Stop Boris, you mis-undrestood. Bong..Bong..Bong, great, what have I started?) The UP equipped Pacific 7006 with Caprotti valve gear and light weight rods in 1927 to acertain any advantages over the then favored Walsatch valvegear. The light weight rods were subject to constant failure due to the forces applied to them, but UP was generally satisfied with the valve gear, who's only point of contention was a tendency for the valves to drift open, thus causing reduced efficency and steam loss.

UP's Mechanical Department thoeorized that if the Caprotti was designed to higher tolerances it would be a contended for application to additional power. Based on the initial UP sucess SP equipped a 2-8-2 with Caprotti and Santa Fe got aboard, retrofitting a Hudson. In the long run, Caprotti refused to offer a design suitible for the rigors of American railroads and the gear was promptly removed from all examples and the experiment terminated.

Tom.. Due to my exaulted status[bow] and resposibilities thereof, I suggest that we start a donation fund for the purchase of Boris's tuba this Christmas[;)]

Dave [(-D]

[Trainnut484]

Good evening Tom and everyone. I'll have a Miller Lite, and put it on ***'s account please. I heard that Bwooonnnnng Gwonnnnnng somewhere. I thought Boris had a bad cold or something [alien] Tom, I'm glad you got that corrected. Will there be a "Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion" room? I'm sure Cindy will put that room to good use [}:)]

Dan, sorry to hear you were under the weather. I was there a few weeks ago, and I can tell ya, it's not fun [:(].

Dave, you said it. "Our" Place is where friends meet [^][tup]

Had a great time this past weekend. Visited Chanute, KS, which was a division point on the Santa Fe years ago. The town had their annual art festival that included rides on South Kansas and Oklahoma's passenger train. SKO operates on the former Santa Fe line (southern half of Eastern Division) from Chanute, through Cherryvale, to Coffeyville. The original Santa Fe line branched off from the transcon line in Ottawa, KS and ran down to Tulsa, OK, but the track from Ottawa to Chanute was taken up. The old right of way can still be seen from highway 59 which runs south from Ottawa, parallels the right of way from south of Garnett to Coffeyville, then into Oklahoma.

Ok now you all have some bearings on what I'm talking about, The SKO has three ex Boston & Maine Budd RDC cars that were restored by an individual and renamed them after his grandaughters; "Kaleigh Ann" (RDC 9210), "Afton Leigh" (RDC 9202), and "Fallyne Marie" (RDC 9203). The RDC cars are non-powered, but look in tip top shape inside and out. I did take pix, but don't want to take away the fun for Sunday Photo Day [;)]. UNLESS I get overwhelming requests for them [:D].

In case anyone is interested, there is a old wigwag signal STILL in service just north of Cherryvale. I first saw it back about 1995 or '96 and wondered if it was still around. Sure enough it was and looks like it's been well maintained (got great pix of it too).

Another Miller Lite please, thanks.

Russell

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

A pint of Bathams please especially as it is on Dicks expense account [tup].

[wow]The bar has been really busy since I left for Stockton M.O. on Friday lunch (I didnt see a single walnut but a great parade with many Marching Bands the musical talent especially of the youngsters is trully remarkable.) It has taken me nearly 2 hours to catch up they REALLY are great posts and photos. They are fantastic. Thanks all.

I have managed to get in touch with my pal in England and I have more info on the locos on the MALLIAG runs this year. For most of the season it was worked by ex L.N.E.R. locos 2-6-0 K1 class #62005 and 4-6-0 B1class #6i264. In September he went on a tripwith LMS Black 5 # 45407 from Glasgow to Fort William where it was exchanged with 61240 which is doing a 3 days steam tours in its native East Anglia.

I believe the class 5 #44767 as in the photo has had a season on the Malliag runs . The Valve gear you asked about NICK is STEPHENSON' S on this loco. There were no LMS class 5's saved with CAPROTTI valve gear althogh a B.R. Standard 5 with Caprotti gear has been restored this year and is running at the Midland Railway Centre AT Butterley Derbyshire.

As to THE GREAT MARQUESS I have been told it is a 3-Cylinder K4 2-6-0 a small class of loco built special for working the West Highland line. It was owned by LORD GARNOCH. (not too sure about the spelling). Some time ago the elderly Lord became ill and the engine was made up to main line standard. It left its home on the Severn Valley Railway working a railtour part of the way to get the loco up to Fort William. As his Lordship had always wanted to see the engine working in the Highlands, I believe the loco only stayed at Fort William only a few weeks. I was fortunate enough to travel behind the loco as it made its way home. We traveled over the Settle-Carlisle where a stop was made at Garside where minute of silence was held signaled by the loco whistle for his Lordship who had passed away shortly after the engine arrived in the Highlands. His wish had been granted.

Thanks Russ for the great picture of the 261 in KC. My wife's friend who keeps our dog when we are away says she saw it in KC but her travel partner from work said it was a diesel because of the oil tank behind it. [%-)]

Tom, tickets have arrived. [tup]

Thanks all for the congratulations on the honor of my own stool! It is great to be in such fine company.

[West Coast S]

Tom... To transfer slides you should be able to get a quality scanner for under two hundred or so, the actual transfer programs vary by manfacture,features and technical levels from around a hundred to several thousand dollars. One surpirse that could be lurking after your initial outlay, is discovering your computer is memory impared.

Negatives are somewhat easier, different scanner and software. A local photo shop quoted one hundred and forty dollars per every two hundred negatives transfered, this does include any photo touchup, so that's what your'e paying for. Too rich for my blood, I am considering a night class to become familar with the technology, besides were going to one hundred percent digital in the office within six months, some of the cutting edge technology intimidates me to a certain extent, the youngsters know this stuff in there sleep. We oldtimers have some catching up to do!

Mr. Murphy has a way of striking where you least expect him, my only extensive UP DD35 and 40 shots from over twenty five ago are the ONLY negatives that have fade and blemish issues. These locomotives have been gone for many years, so, no second chances at bat with this subject matter.

My one time at shooting slides resulted in complete ruin, within two years fade destroyed them completely. So much for Sherman Hill in 1974, oddly, it was the same year that I shot extensively with Kodak Film, never again, went back to Fuji and never had any further issues.

Ok ***, no resistence, just hand the money over, godspeed and safe passage on your travels.

Dave[tup]

[Gunns]

Hi Tom,
Bier a Marzen bitte, (it is Ocktober fest)
And a Bratwurst unt brochen bitte.

Sorry about the hiatus, but I am up to my eye brows in the Balloon fiesta, my pilot comes in tonight and I will be crewing every day for the next week and a half, you know get up at 0400 to get to the park, doo weather breif, pilot breif, lay it out cold inflate, hot inflate, launch, drive like a mainiac, land, pack up, and do it all over again.........11 days in a row with some evenings thrown in for the Balloon Glow events.
Back to classic trains soon,
so ring the bell,
I'll be back,
Gunns

[siberianmo]

Hi (again) Dave

Email received and responded to! Thanx ..... [tup]

One day I plan to do some similar editing of my 35mm collection of slides. Been saying that for years ... but I really want to. All of the family photo's and many from my career are on those slides. I understand that there are ways to transfer these things to discs - that's my goal. I have no clue what the purchase price is for whatever "black box" one needs to do these things, but I'm interested in finding out. Just gotta start browsing .....

Sorry, but just can't buy a drink 'round here today - it's ALL on ***'s expense account! So, we'll ring the bell - and charge it to him. Go Boris Go! [swg]

By the by, we've just received a car load of "The Famous Grouse" Scotch whiskey and if you're a Connoisseur of the stuff, have a double on me. [tup]

Man oh man, your mention of slide rules sure brings back some memories. A long time ago, in a land far away (kinda like "On a dark 'n stormy night..... as Snoopy might write) ... I had aspirations of studying Architectural design. Part of the prepartion was an understanding of the slide rule. [yeah] Brings back memories.

There's really something to be said about the "old school." Many a mentor of mine impressed upon me early on that one needs to know where they've been in order to get where you are going. It doesn't do a bit of good to rely on electronic navigation should the power go out when far at sea, and no one knows how to use a sextant.

Okay, I leave you with one last ... Boooooooooooooong, Gwooooooooooooong - just as a reminder to contain yourself when it comes to "innovative" ideas! [swg] What to do with that new clapper, what to do ........ [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Tom, you have a message in your email account .

Tom I still favor my typewriter, had to convince the powers around here not to dispose of the last working example. I, like you can type a statement and arrest report in less time then it takes me to find the program on the system, then you have the problem of someone having possibly deleated your authorization for reasons only known to the gods or some unknown security feature locking you out after extended periods of disuse.
Back when I was a engineering graduate, we did slide rule, calipers and good ol' fashion math, computers, though new to the scene and the size of small apartments were otherwise voodo and the stuff of science fiction[#offtopic].

I owe the house a two rounds for straying so far off topic.

Ah, yes the bellcapades, Boris, what can one say? His attention span is of some concearn to me. Never a dull moment at "Our Place"

Tom, i've got thousands of negatives, all in 35mm, carefully cataloged and stored, one of my long range plans is to scan to disc and edited with a photo program. The Sunday photo feature should prove to be popular among the group, I for one enjoy them immensely


Dave[tup]

[siberianmo]

Hi Dave

First and foremost: I've been trying to contact you by Email through your profile ... doesn't work. PLEASE contact me; 4th request, Sir! [swg]

Nice to see ya this Monday .... understand the freedom from the 'puter while at home.

Undoubtedly the 'puter has become an integral part of everything going on at the work place and elsewhere these days. Not so sure it's all that necessary or beneficial. I recall having to explain to a rather slow administrative "type" that preparing a one paragraph memo on the computer took a hulluva lot more time than typing it. Of course, typewriters today have gone the way of dial telephones.

I remember having the games programs removed from internal computer systems - man oh man did that ever upset the troops! Tough. Also banned internal Email as well ... pointless to be sending messages back 'n forth between cubicles or ships tied to different sides of the pier, especially since the idea of "record communications" was being denegrated beyond repair. Having spent 14 years of my 32 in telecommunications, I shudder at what is compared to what was.

Today, the world has passed me by and I rely on this technology to keep me connected.
Don't know what got me started on that ... .but Boris go ahead and ring the bell (with the old clapper) for being [#offtopic][swg]

Nice inclusive Post from you and it's appreciated. Don't know where you are in your catching up, but we've had some interesting pix for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! along with a few rather insightful "reports" from our roaming friend, ['b]*** presently in England, but shortly en route Germany. A traveling man for sure.

Appreciate the kind comments regarding the Fallen Flags. You summed it up well, the fond memories really is what I've tried to rekindle.

I noted that you haven't made mention of the BELL fiasco, et al! Check the Posts.

Catch ya later - Cindy has the bar!

Tom[/b][4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang... OK Tom I won't berate all officers, i've actually served under a few that earned my respect, my O9 was in for a snap inspection last week and we get along great, much respect for him. Coffee and scones from the Mentor Bakery if you please.

Spent a quiet weekend away from the puter attending to some chores at the the new house, no puter there, yet, gotta keep my better half happy.

CM3
Ah yes the Reading T1, forgot about that one, speaking of the GG how about that wild Bicentenial job Conrail executed. Interesting anadote, In additional to the T1 & 610 the
SP 5021 a 4-10-2 at the fairgrounds in Pomona was considered for backup duty, it had previously been restored to operating condition in the mid 60s, but never operated.

UP 844 was also considered for AFT duty, UP thought otherwise and was adament that 844 not being leased to the AFT, it neverless, provided possible protection power when 4449 required a visit to the Omaha Shops for driver work. In order to keep the schedule, 844 was activited, but never called upon to power the AFT, except to double head the 4449 to Council Bluffs.

PassengerfanAl, keep them coming, I missed the oppertunity to experience pre-Amtrak by a couple of years, your'e insight brings the great trains of yesteryear to life for all to enjoy.

TrolleyBoy, You should plan a vist to the Orange Empire Railway Muesum if you ever get out this way, I can be your guide! They are devoted to perserving the transit history of Southern California and to that end have restored and the operate the largest Pacific Electric fleet to be found these days.

Nick.. your'e usual stupendous job in the kitchen. well done and executed, hip-hip-hurray and a toast of your favorite, by Joe ,tolerating Boris in your midst should qualify you for the Knights Cross! And that rescue of AWK from the pickle barrel was among the most heroic act i've witnessed to date.

Russ, great doings at KC, so when do you qualify to operate the 261? Ah, the ultimate career. Appreciate the pics. The 261 is on my to experience list before I depart this world. It occured to me that almost all restored steam is the last example extent, by accident or design one must wonder .

Tom, you tapped into the collective conciense with the fallen flag series, Puts in prespective just how many have departed and for a few, recalls fond personal memories.

"Our Place" is indeed where friends meet.


Dave[tup]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' coalminer3 CM3!

Just as I was about to turn over the bar to CIndy I caught your Post - same happened with Nick. Perhaps I'm not supposed to leave this morning ..... hmmmm.

Thanx for the round - although today *** is buying ALL DAY! [swg] We'll take the quarters though - always appreciate keeping the jar full for the JUKE! [tup]

I last saw Teddy Ballgame in Yankee Stadium in his last at bat there. I had a seat directly behind home plate - was in my sailor suit as the Yankees always provided great tickets to the guys in the service. This seat was by far the best ever for me, at the time. Anyway, Ted didn't let us down as he blasted one out. Just a treat indeed .....

Of course when living in the Boston area, I had to take in some games at Fenway. In between duty nights and weeks and months at sea, I'd find the time to squeeze in a Bruins, Celtics or Red Sox game. Never did get to see the Patriots, though. As a fan of Ebbets Field and the great memories that ballpark provided, Fenway was of a similiar influence. I didn't have any problems rooting for the Sox, but found that some of the guys got a bit beligerant with fans rooting for the other team. It was really obvious and moreso than anything I'd witnessed in New York City - really. Didn't seem to be that bad at the Gahdens, but surely was evident at the old ballpark.

And here I thought those hot dawgs were really good! A step up from road kill, eh [?] yes, the Narragansett was ever present. Somewhere in my mind's eye I'm recalling another brew, but can't for the life of me remember the name .....

By the by, I do not recall that GG1 you referred to .... I suppose there's a pix out there in cber space; I'll have to check.

Once again, appreciate your taking the time to share your vivid memory with us. One day, perhaps you'll let us know what you do that takes you away to places like the "frozen north" - wherever that is! Also appreciate your "heads up" on your planned absence, that really helps when trying to ensure some continuity 'round the joint. [swg]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Nick!

Good seeing ya 'round here so bright 'n early (for us) ...... full breakfast [?] Well, go right on back and prepare it, my man! You are employed here, ya know! [swg]

Seems that *** has been engaged in what has become a "thing" for him - one-way conversations from England (and Texas, and North Africa, and .....)! [swg] I had hoped that you'd catch up with him in cyber space, for I know that if anyone in this place could relate quite well to what he's Posting, it's you - and of course, Wolfman Pete.
Alas, methinks your response will linger on in Cyber Land.

Appreciate the explanations for your pix ... although I must admit I'm having just a bit of difficulty sorting 'em all out. For now, I'll not change the captions on the pix. When you have the time - take a look at the album - http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/ (click on Nick's Pix). Then check out your album from the beginning. For each photo, we should have a brief caption - something like "Staner 4-6-0 at Porthmadog, Sep 26, 2005" .... If you don't know the date, something like "Spring 2005" would do. Once you assign something similiar to each photo, I'll begin the process or editing them.

The only pending Email from me was to let you know that I figured out what you did to that "black 5" photo ... so no need to retransmit it. [tup]

When it comes time for me to cash it in, I want to be somehow "refitted" into a VIA Rail observation dome car! Those pix of the Budd stainless steel beauties just "does it" for me - love those trains. [yeah]

Did a bit more landscaping yesterday with the S Capades - nothing fantastic, just a slow go. Check out the pix on the photo album when you check out your own .....

Always have some tunes playing while down in the basement traind room - yesterday's "feature" was the "Little RIver Band." My CD player handles 5 and has a great feature called "Spiral," where it will play song #1 from disk #1, then song #1 from disk #2, etc. It's a great feature when you want to mix up the groups - but don't want to listen to an entire album all at once. Anyway, I loaded in 5 disks from "the boyz" and let 'er rip. Secured the operation about song #4 from disk #5. Following this [?] [swg]

Okay, time to get on with the day. Cindy is all "a flutter," thinking that you're coming back. Man oh man, you DO have a way with her, eh [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All:

Round for the house and more quarters for the jukebox. Weather here is cloudy with a chance of rain - we really need some - and, of course, we're getting a roof put on the house starting today. Gas is $2.79/gallon, unchanged from last week.

So now we have a new clapper. Reminds me of the old take off on Dragnet, "Who copped the copper clapper?" Was reading the summaries and I'll confess, yes I remember 759 in Golden Spike celebration activity. Now, how many of you remember the GG! that was painted for Golden Spike Centennial. Also, I recall seeing 759 pulling the Freedom Train on the Boston and Maine. Now, I am realllly reaching back here, but IIRC, the NKP engine did the honors because the RDG T1 was too big. Anyway, it was a long time ago.

Boris's shed? I know, we can use it for our Halloween party - sorta like a haunted house.

Herewith something that includes trolleys, Teddy Ballgame and the Boston and Albany. I found this under a pile of other train stuff. I think I did this one back in the early 60s as best as I can recall. This was before the Red Sox became the force that they are today.

After getting off the streetcar, you would ride the clacking wooden escalator up to the street and exit like a mole from the underground into the bright air above. What sights there were to see, looking for all the world like a Breughel painting come to life. The sounds and the smells and the light and shadows cast by iron fire escapes off the fronts of the old brick buildings around Kenmore Square.

The Italian sausage carts with their smells of charcoal and sizzling meat and peppers and onions, and just beside them other people selling pizza, grinders, and slushes. Balloon sellers, T-shirt vendors, and closer an old black man who had been working the same corner since Walter Johnson and Smokey Joe Wood locked up on a summer afternoon when the world was young.

He had a wooden pushcart filled with small paper bags of peanuts. His mantra was, "Peanuts a dime, three for a quarter; peanuts a dime, three for a quarter." Go the games often enough, and you got to know these people after awhile, and you felt like one of the chosen when the old man nodded at you as you walked by.

And then nearer to the ballpark just beyond where the Boston and Albany's four track main passed under the bridge, was an old nun, dressed in black, sat on a camp stool. She had a small basket in one hand where people dropped change as they walked by. She was always there before the game but never afterwards.

The nun never acknowledged anyone, probably because she had her thoughts on a more celestial plain, although many of the nuns I knew were devout baseball fans who could discuss the efficacy of the sacrifice bunt with as much as facility as they could tell the Rosary.

Then into the crowd and by the printing plant, the office supply place, and the engravers and the tavern on the corner opposite the main gate. A quick check to see if your wallet was still there, and also to make sure your ticket was in your pocket and then through the gate, hand the ticket to the tired looking man by the turnstile and quickly into the green cement catacombs below where it was dark and it took your eyes a little while to get used to the lack of light.

There were other vendors below who sold scorecards, yearbooks, pennants and other souvenirs for little kids. Then there were glorious smelling stands where hot dogs were sold.

There was nothing fancy about the hot dogs sold then, and although they later came to be called Fenway Franks, they still stood one step above road kill on the food chain.
The hot dog of old did not pretend to be anything else than what it was supposed to be; indeterminate animal parts ground up, liberally laced with salt and other chemicals, cased and sold in bulk. The dogs were then unloaded at the ballpark, boiled and served up on untoasted rolls and slathered with Gulden's mustard which the patrons pumped from glass jars were on shelves attached to the structural pillars which held the place together.

Beer was available, too, in paper cups which were white with green decorations. The signs on these stands were to the point; one said "Hot Dogs" and the other said "Beer" so it was all pretty simple. There were many local breweries in New England then and one of them, Narragansett, sponsored the baseball games on the radio and also kept the patrons afloat when they attended the games. Narragansett was not the best beer in the world but people drank a lot of it because it was locally made and cheap. The general opinion of the ushers who worked at Fenway was that the only thing good about 'Gansett was that, "it cleaned out your pipes."

You, of course, had memorized the layout of the ballpark years ago and knew where you were going to sit long before you got there. It always gave a feeling of superiority to be able to direct the people from "up country" who only came to one game a year and wandered around trying to find where they were supposed to sit. You would go up the ramp and there, spread before you would be the field.

It was the greenest grass you had ever seen and it looked even greener at twilight when the shadows got long and the late afternoon sun would shine through the back of the stands and cast silhouettes on the field. And down below would be the lattice and net batting cage with several players standing around watching somebody else hit. The batting practice pitcher would stand there behind his safety net and lay them in and the hitters would get loose and pop a few off the left field wall or maybe rope one down the right field line into the corner or into the bullpen in right field.

If you were lucky you got to see Ted Williams. It was true that people would stop what they were doing on the field to watch the old man hit. There would be not much of a stride but the arm and bat speed was incredible. The most amazing thing was that he would wait until the last second and then seem to snap the ball right out of the catcher's glove and hammer it into right field.

The Red Sox were not that good at the end of Ted's career but he was a link to the past and that seemed to make it all right. Other players would be in the outfield, catching fly balls or running wind sprints as the coaches would hit sharp grounders to the infielders to keep them loose and ready. In many ways it was more satisfying than the game itself as it gave you a chance to study the players more at leisure.

Just as a heads up; my attendance may be sporadic over the next 10-14 days. More instruction scheduled, then a trip to the frozen north. I will try and stopy by if I can.

work safe

[nickinwestwales]

Well howdy nightowls-family out sightseeing so time for a quickie-[4:-)]TOM a full breakfast and a couple of pints of tea please-many thanks for hosting pix, a key for each at the end of this. ROB-nice pix Love that car #7 & crew[^] -Aware of Sylvan Models through O.N web site-they do good work but are beyond my price range (nicks trains coming between pet food and slug bait on the family budget sheet.........) DAN,welcome back ol buddy,take it easy now,that sounds like a rough one ! ***-a delight to hear from our Touring Texan about Town..!! What about that Heathrow Express..? Quite a smart little bit of kit--the `buses you refer to are `Routemasters` and are as iconic an image as the classic Austin FX4 black cab-I am informed that the Westminster abbey organ is now matched for fullness of sound by the newly installed instrument at St Davids Cathedral,but can`t comment. Your revered ancestor Dylan Thomas was born Cwmdonkin terrace in Swansea,a steeply sloping row with a small park opposite and glorious views of the bay and Mumbles head, Later moved to The Boathouse,Laugharne on the coast west of Carmathen where much of his writing was done. died in New York during a recital tour-last words reputed to be " I have just drunk 18 large whiskies,I believe it is a record !"--coroners report-death caused by a "massive insult to the brain".....By the by-St Andrews is only `near` Aberdeen in Texan terms[swg] about 200 miles !!...the nearer city is Dundee,although the nearest rail stop is Leuchars-formerly the northern junc. of the Fife coast line,which served the town directly,glad you are enjoying Our fair land-travel safe ! O.K-as promised,captions to pix 1-first batch of 4, top left & right cont. Brit equivalents of R.D.C`s (R) at Aberystwith & (L) units crossing at Haverfordwest btm right earlier (60`s) unit -poss. Cravens,preserved an in service at West Somerset Rly,Minehead btm left, a power unit from one of th I.C 125`s that *** mentioned,here shot through a carriage window at Newport Gwent-"swallow" livery long defunct. 2-this is a montage shot of Staner `black 5` on staem railtour at Fishguard ferry terminal-these were used on the `Mallaig steam run mentioned by WOLFMAN PETE, and were the most numerous class of 4-6-0 in Britain 3-one for the slim-liners...the loco works of the Welsh Highland Rly(1964) co ltd ( complicated story) at their H Q-Gelerts siding Porthmadog,this shot chosen for atmosphere,plenty more with trains in ! 4-this one was lifted from the O.N.R site and shows the `Nothlander` in full cry,on the point is one of the 3 FP7`s retrofitted at North Bay Works with 2000hp CAT prime mover,hence the extra grille on the front of the carbody,the `b` unit is one of a fleet owned by O.N.R,all with traction motors removed,used to provide train power-since withdrawl of the `cats`, this turn is handled by GP38-2`s 5-this one was sent to me by Frank Vollhardt,author and O.N.R expert sans pariel ,for a modelling project and is included `cos it`s such a little beauty,I also have some of vans in the earlier dev. rd. ,red and T&N.O orange,again little beauts [^] right,thats me,thanx to all for slide show-ROB`s Chi-Town excursion and [4:-)]TOMS VIA & TRE portraits very welcome--NOTE father in law has fitted machine with new security program,so machine currently locked down tighter than Leavenworth,cant currently access E-Mails,so if there are any out there,I WILL get back to you,as & when. O.K. out the door and on with the day,take care guys,speak soon,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

The bar bell has been restored to normalcy [?] with the old clapper reinstalled. Now what to do with the gold plated monster clapper [?] I’m thinking of donating it to a religious group, or at least to an organization who will put it to good use. As long as it is far, far away from Mentor Village! There’s a town over on the other side of the mountain range – I’m sure we’d never hear it go Boooooooooooong, Gwooooooooooong again! <geesh>

Cindy just told me that she’s affiliated with a group of ladies [?] who call themselves Our Ladies of Perpetual Motion and they’d love the new clapper to signal the beginning and conclusions to their – ahem - sessions. However, they are located right here in the village – so that’s out. Perpetual Motion – oh [yeah], I wish! [}:)][:-,]

Just got a call from the Search ‘n Rescue boys over at Can-Am peak. They’ve requested the clapper for use in avalanche abatement program. <huh> [?] They intend to install it on a bell found in the remains of a fire at one of the local churches. I suppose that Gawd-awful noise would trigger a snow slide for sure. Now, there’s a thought. Boooooooooong, Gwooooooooong, watch out below! [swg]

Well, I’ll just store it in Boris’ Shed until we can decide what to do with it. It’s useless to try and take it back to the Bell ‘n Borsht Shop – they do not accept returns on either line of goods! [swg] Used Borsht [?] [yeah] Right.

Okay, Boris ring the bell, just for effect ….. bong, bong, boink, bong, bink, bong. Ahhhh, just like old times! [tup]

Hiya Ted Nice to see ya so bright 'n early. Things 'round this part of the continent are clear 'n drying out. Fall is coming, temp-wise, so they say. Can't get here soon enough; 80's today, then a drop into the 70's expected .... [yeah]

For those of you who haven't taken the time to check out the Posts and SUMMARY wrwatkins *** has been kinda on a one-way communications with us from England - quite active yesterday. Anyway, the drinks are on him (or his expense account!) for all of today! [yeah][wow][tup]

Ted First time I remember trolleys was in Brooklyn, NY when I was a little guy back in the WWII years. Used to visit my grandparents house - they lived rather close to Ebbets Field - home of the BROOKLYN DODGERS (formerly called the TROLLEY DODGERS - no kidding!). Honestly don't remember much else about 'em - as elevated tains, subways, ferries and buses were the modes of transportation used by my family back then.

When I get into conversations regarding traveling, which I did quite a bit of in the latter years of my career. The reality hits home that it surely all wasn't that good. Hotels, restaurants and killing time really can wear you down, not to mention the hours spent involved getting to and from airports, et al. To the listener, the only part that settles in are the accountings of the "good times" and "interesting places." [yeah] Been there, done that .....

Cindy will have the bar a bit later on.

Enjoy the day! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific (The Rock Island)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 7,579

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 539

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 26,690; Passenger cars – 646

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Omaha, NE
Omaha-Colorado Springs & Denver, CO
Davenport, IA-Tucumcari, NM
Bureau Junction-Peoria, IL
Minneapolis, MN-Kansas City, MO
Manly-Burlington, IA
Cedar Rapids (Vinton), IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Keokuk, IA-Bear Lake, SD
Tucumcari-Memphis, TN
Herington, KS-Houston, TX
Little Rock, AR-Eunice, LA
Kansas City-St. Louis

Passenger trains of note:

Choctaw Rocket (Amarillo, TX-Memphis)
Corn Belt Rocket (Chicago-Omaha)
Des Moines Rocket (Chicago-Des Moines, IA)
Golden State (Chicago-LA; joint ops w/SP)
The Imperial (Chicago-LA)
Kansas City Rocket (Minneapolis-Kansas City)
Peoria Rockets (Chicago-Peoria)
Texas Rocket (Ft. Worth-Houston; then Kansas City-Dallas)
Twin Star Rocket (Minneapolis-Houston)
Quad City Rocket (Chicago-Rock Island)
Rocky Mountain Rocket (Chicago-Colorado Springs & Denver)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; joint ops w/CB&Q)

And a little something extra ....... (press R8 on the Juke!)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Rock Island Line
Lonnie Donegan

The Chorus is the only part sung
The rest is spoken

Now, this here's the story about the Rock Island line
Now, the Rock Island line is a railroad line
And it runs down into New Orleasn
And just outside of New Orleans is a big toll gate
And all the trains that go through the toll gate
Why, they gotta pay the man some money
Less of course, they got certain things on board
Then they okay, then they don't ever have to pay the man nothin'
And right now, we see a train
She's comin' on down the line
And when she got up here to the toll gate
The-a depot, he shout down to the driver
He want to know what he got on board
So he say a
What you got on board there, boy
And the driver, he sing right on back
Down to the depot agent
Tell him what he got on board
The got a way of singing

I got sheep, I got cows
I got horses, I got pigs
I got all livestock
I got all livestock
I got all livestock

And the man say, well, he say
Your alright there, boy
You don't have to pay me nothin'
Just get 'em on through
So the train go through the toll gate
And as it go through
It got up a little bit of steam
And a, a little bit of speed
And when he sees me
On the other side of the toll gate
They, the driver shout back
Down the line to the man
'Course you don't hear what he say now
But home down the Rock Island line

I fooled you, I fooled you
I got pig iron, I got pig iron
I got all pig iron

He said, tell you where I'm goin', boy
Goin' down the Rock Island line, yes, yes
She's a mighty good road
Oh well, the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
Rock Island line is the road to ride
Ya, the Rock Island line
Is a mighty good road
And if you want to ride
You gotta ride it
Like you find it
Get your ticket at the station
On the Rock Island line
Well, I may be right
I may be wrong
I know you're gonna miss me when I'm gone

Ya,the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
Rock Island line is the road to ride
Ya, the Rock Island line
she's a mighty good road
And if you want to ride
You gotta ride it
Like you find it
Get your ticket at the station
On the Rock Island line

A B C, W X Y Z
Cat's in the cupboard
But he don't see me

Now, the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
Rock Island line is the road to ride
Ya, the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
And if you want to ride
You gotta ride it
Like you find it
Get your ticket at the station
On the Rock Island line

Hallaluah, I'm safe from sin
The good Lord's comin'
For to see me again

Keep it goin'

And the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
Rock Island line is the road to ride
Ya, the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
And if you want to ride
You gotta ride it
Like you find it
Get your ticket at the station
On the Rock Island line

The Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
Rock Island line is the road to ride
Ya, the Rock Island line
She's a mighty good road
And if you want to ride
You gotta ride it
Like you find it
Get your ticket at the station
On the Rock Island line
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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good Morin' folks, Tom, the Sunday photo thing may be off to a sluggish start but I think it will "fly" when others appreciate the quality. I'll grab a English Muffin, a cuppa Twinning's with a pat of that fine English Orange Marmalade. ***'s narratives of London have prompted me to go European. As much as I enjoy reading of his travels, twenty years of "on the road" doing "one nighters," brings back a few bad "vibes."

Hope everyone has "topped off" in anticipation of a temporary hike in gas prices. I don't want to think about heating costs just yet. 'Course, mine won't be too bad, just a few days in December and January. All of us should be taking a fresh approach if you operate on a budget. It ain't going to be the same! Already, I scoped the InternetTrains site for their "big blow out" sales. The prices "on sale" are higher than M.S.R.P. this time last year (G guage).

Greetings Nick, your thoughts on the "Old Sod" are appreciated.[tup] I can't claim Ireland as me "Mother Country." You see, my Mother's ilk go back four generations to Erin's Isle. My Father's lineage, more then seven generations here and originally from Sachs Weimar, aus Deuthchland. Nope, I'm just just another "...Yankee in King Arthur's Court."[:D] The pix you've sent are really appreciated, keepers.[^] The bell pyre boilers (steam) remind me of Pennsy's Chuffers of old. Rob, be patient with Tom, he still remembers traction as a traffic hazzard...don't we all?[:O]

Local media, hereabouts, are starting to encourage public transportation which is something new. Now, all we need is "public transportation!" I think even the most skeptical of us can now see that efficient "people moving" looms very close in our future. Florida has twice voted for light, high speed rail from Tampa to Orlando, FL but was shelved due to budgetary short falls. Maybe when S.U.V. owners need to hitch hike to their jobs, something will click?[banghead]

Okay, speaking of "rides," a couple of Seniors need chauffeuring "out and about" today. I'll try to get back but will probably be a late arrival. Hope earlydiesles is feeling better since his bout with lung congestion. Tom, at least something good came from Rita with the rain needed 'round St. Louis, eh? Boris, I see Awk now has your ear ring as a play thing. Be grateful it wasn't your nose ring. Thanks *** for the open tab. I see a case of Johnny Walker Black is on your slate.[}:)] Hmmm, who do we know.....??? G'day everyone.

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! Hope you’ve had the opportunity to check out the pix from our Sunday Photo Posting Day. Although the participation was a bit on the slim side – I expect we’ll develop a core of guys who will keep ‘er runnin’ on Sundays.

News of the Day:

No news is good news!

INDEX

Index pages for Fallen Flags , Heralds of the Fallen Flags and Passenger Train Nostalgia Posts: (click the URL to go directly to the page!)

Here’s a tip for the adventurous amongst you:

If you copy the URL that appears at the top of your screen for this thread (or any of the URL’s below) and simply insert the PAGE NUMBER you desire, you can “go” anywhere on our thread you wish much faster than “scrolling” back thru ‘em a few pages at a time. Suppose you want to go page 79 – delete only the page number in the URL and replace it with 79. Be sure to leave everything else as is – including the spaces or lack thereof. So, for example,
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270
becomes
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=79&TOPIC_ID=35270
It works!

In the future, I will be eliminating the redundancy of the URLs below, with just a “generic” URL for page insertion, or of course – use the URL at the top of the thread.

106 – SP
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

108 – MoPac
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=108&TOPIC_ID=35270

109 – WP
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=109&TOPIC_ID=35270

110 – Frisco
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=110&TOPIC_ID=35270

112 - CNR (fallen only as a passenger carrier)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=112&TOPIC_ID=35270

112 – CNR Super Continental Time Table
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=112&TOPIC_ID=35270

112 – Heralds of the Fallen Flags
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=112&TOPIC_ID=35270

113 - Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 “Start ups” in the 1800’s and early 1900’s
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=113&TOPIC_ID=35270

114 – ACL
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=114&TOPIC_ID=35270

115 – SCL
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=115&TOPIC_ID=35270

116 - D&RGW
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=116&TOPIC_ID=35270

117 – Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 California Zephyr’s Budd Co. Vista-Dome sleeper observation-lounge
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=117&TOPIC_ID=35270

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 25 Sep 20905day, 00:26:08 (117) Pix

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 00:35:35 (117) Pix

(3) daveklepper Dave Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 04:56:06 (117)

(4) wrwatkins *** Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 06:51:13 (117) from England

(5) wrwatkins *** Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 07:17:23 (117)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 08:54:33 (118) reply to: trolleyboy – daveklepper – wrwatkins

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 09:12:04 (118) Nick’s Pix

(8) wrwatkins *** Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 10:05:44 (118) from England

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 10:25:09 (118) Pix

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 10:30:38 (118) acknowledged wrwatkins

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 10:34:01 (118) Sunday’s News & Summary

(12) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 12:08:20 (118)

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 13:03:08 (118) reply to earlydiesels

(14) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 13:31:57 (118)

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 14:49:25 (118) Pix

(16) wrwatkins *** Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 17:06:30 (118) from England

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Sep 2005, 18:37:26 (118) reply to: wrwatkins & Theodorebear

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 00:14:41 (119) Pix

(19) wrwatkins *** Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 00:28:51 (119) from England

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 00:29:46 (119) reply to trolleyboy & wrwatkins

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Hi Rob

Well, that VIA Rail car was a bit of a suprirse ..... okay, so, you're only a little predictable! [swg] Nice shots ..... by the way! Thanx for participating in our [red]Sunday Photo Posting Day!" [tup]

When the door opens at 6 AM, the drinks will be on *** for the rest of the day! We'll see how his expense account can handle that! Must be nice, eh [?] I never had the pleasure of such a thing - always came out of my pocket, or the purse of whoever said, "Buy the sailor a drink." [}:)][:-,]

Oh, I see *** has made another Post .... he's been quite active these past several hours, must be lonely in that hotel room! [swg] I will say this though, he's been thinking about us and it's very nice to know that even from thousands of miles across the sea, "Our" Place means something a bit special to him .... [yeah]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]