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[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Another visit from Michaelson I see! Jack it is - enjoy! [swg] Living THAT close to my favorite distillery makes me envious! Passed through that area many, many times in my career . . . nice country.

Rob I have four words for ya - BUY A NEW ONE! <grin> You've been wrestling with this long enough. Not being able to access this page - or any other - simply puts you at a decided disadvantage when it comes to being able to fully participate. You know that, I know that - even Boris knows that! Well, maybe not . . . [:O]
We'll have to go "shopping" while in Toronto! <yikes> Pssssst, hey buddy, wanna buy a 'puter[?)<grin> or how about, Pssssst, youse don't want me to tell ya again to buy dis 'puter!<ohhhhhhhhh>

Good stuff with the OO-O-HO comparisons . . . stuff like that is what this hobby of ours thrives on. Gotta know where one has been, B4 one can move ahead - or something like that.

Michaelson sooner or later we are going to "dub" you with a name, unless you add one to your cyber handle. I'm thinking - "Jack" would be a nice fit! [swg]

Rob 'n Ted I'm "good to go" for the 'morrow. All that needs to happen is for the time to pass . . . . Just can't wait to sit on those concrete seats in Air Canada's regional jets - 2 hours of wonderin' - why did I do this!!![?][?] Hey - it was MY idea! [swg] Well at least it's a non-stop flight. Can't have everything, eh[?]

Michaelson By the by, I checked my library of MRR back issues - but unfortunately don't have the one you referred to. My complete series begins in the early 70s through present times. Have many issues B4 then - but none are consecutive. Wudda sent it to ya . . . .

Rob some Email for ya . . . .

Later! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

Ted and Tom, bon voyage, or whatever's the phrase these days. Have a wonderful time and wish I was there.

CM3, thanks for the tip on CV in the new issue. I almost bought a copy of Classic Trains once, but froze of sticker shock (7 bucks!) And it was wrapped in plastic so no window shopping it either.

Rob, glad you caught that Algoma pic. Trains on high bridges always get me excited.

Pete, the look of the electric locos in that link you put is kind of cool.

Michaelson, it seems UTSI is at Tullahoma, founded 1852 as a work camp on the Nashville and Chattanooga Railroad.

Doug, maybe you've seen this...

We've done the Zephyr to a fare-thee-well, but here's a look at it outside the Museum of Science & Industry, keeping company with a German submarine. They're both indoors now.
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/CBQ/CB&Q9900atChicagoIL1966JimSandsDRColl.jpg

Also at the museum for 60 years was the acme of perspective pikes
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/photofiles/images/apf2/apf2-05317r.jpg

For more about that, visit the museum website
http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/great_train_story/history/history_01.html

And here's 2 antique panoramas

TORONTO (harbor)
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a22000/6a22500/6a22572r.jpg

HAMILTON (International Harvester)
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a23000/6a23300/6a23357r.jpg

[nickinwestwales]

Evening chaps,thought I`d drop by for a quiet libation before the old place goes to the dogs for the weekend [swg],so as the phrase `round for the house has been bandied about,I shall take full advantage-A Starop please [4:-)][oX)]TOM,Very nice piece on the Ives models-the reference to pre-great war German competion was very telling,in the earlier models,had it not been for the captions I would have taken them for Bing products,albeit of a decade or so earlier-The U.S liveries notwithstanding (Bing produced extensively for outside markets) The later pieces seem to match contempory European practice in terms of detail & accuracy.
I noted a reference to train sets running on a 27" circle of `O` gauge track-is the O-27 standard set I`ve seen mentioned..??..idle curiosity only..
Harking back to yesterdays exchange r.e. the vexed question of derailments,I suspect that your analysis is correct that curvature is to blame,have carried out some tests with my GO-Train (subliminal Toronto advert there...) Bombardier cars and they are very tickli***o propel through anything less than a #8 crossover at standard parrallels-the Can-Am Union throat looks to be laid out with #6`s-and coming off from a curved approach-Yup,switchers are the way forward-but you will need two for each side(one to release the other-although you still end up propelling-although only from the platform end ...hmmm.
Random thought,as an inveterate lover of cross-words,anagrams and other forms of substitutions,it occurs to me that our most recent visitor might not bless us for christening him Jack Michaelson...(just think about it for a moment....)
So-where`s me list,ah yes-Leons line manager on the night shift,Count ROBULLA-First up-e-Mail "End of the rainbow"--I claim my prize-I think I know where that Beer Store is,It surely looks like the one at Cochrane -Apparently it`s the only one in Canada with it`s own rail spur (serviced by the O.N.R) and as far as I can work out it`s on the north side of the yard about level with the west throat of the former C.N yard..
The lake I visited as a youth was Oak/Oke Lake-have found it on a map before and have it in mind that it is East and possibly slightly North of Lake Simcoe-I seem to remember the drive up took about 3 hours and crossed at least one main line and ran parrallel to another line,passing what looked like a fairly quiet exchange siding,memory suggests some rows of battered looking hoppers-still,this was 30 years ago...........
Appreciated notes on car-fettling (see reply to TOM above)-I took the opposite approach with the bulk of my passenger cars ( all Model Power)-as supplied they came with a nice low-profile metal wheelset,however this left the truck mounted couplers too close to the track and unable to couple to any other stock.
Replaced wheelsets with Lima standard coach sets,several mm`s larger,raised roof height but brought couplers into line-descision also motivated by large number of #4 turnouts on layout,betraying it`s origin as a working home for 1960`s &`70`s toy trains.P.S-Remember to take the boys to George`s Trains -will be with you all in spirit [tup][^][tup]
DOUG-nice work with the Trainmaster-appreciated the personal touch-a first train is a childhood milestone and worthy of note [^]
Enjoyed the catalog pix-Deviously clever how the artist draws the train in`forced` perspective-by making the caboose look smaller we think it`s further away,ergo,the train must be longer.......
MICHAELSON-Jack & coke it is,enjoy..!!-good luck trawling the archives-you will discover that you have tapped into a suprisingly eclectic database here.
MIKE-another delightfully varied portfolio-seem to remember seeing a recent M.R. article about the museum layout being replaced,by the way-the Loco just behind the layout appears to be a replica of Stephenson`s `Rocket`-the barrel at the rear was the water tank,the chimney is visible as is a hint of the right hand cylinder assembly
SIR THEODORE & CM3-Sorry our paths didn`t cross this fine spring day.
Right,bed for me-Safe journey to all travellers--until we meet again,hail and well met-
night all,nick[C=:-)]

[trolleyboy]

A quick good evening gents. Tom I think a Keith's and round of wahtever you would like tonight as well.

Mike Nice inclusiove post again tonight sir good stuff [tup]. I have a few pictures of the Agawa canyon train going over the high level Montreal River tressle. 2002 ride Heather and I took. Some of them are posted on my railimages account if you want to take a peek at them. neat shots of the toronto and Hamilton waterfronts as well [tup]

Nick Likely no perfect answer to the delemma of the derailing passenger cars everyone does tend to take their own pathway to a fix . Mind you I agree a little "S" series switcher would not be out of place shuttling and rebuilding the arriving and departing passenger trains at a terminal. I use all #6's and #4's myself. You are right on with the location of that Beer store it is a unique one and only . There are allot of Lakes up and around Lake Simcoe, I've never been to that one but I imagine that it is and was a beautiful area .We may not make it to Georges, no TTC line on that part of Mount pleasant anymore unfortunatly, not to worry we will raise a glass or three in your honour as well.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hi Tom I see you have turned over the bar to the big guy so can I buy you a nite cap [?] i will however see you uin person tomorrow [yesh][tup][:D] We shall see if we can't squeeze Georges in [tup] It will have to be by bus or cab though,I have a TTC route map though it is on the older side. Not to worry I'll pop in here in the morning and makesure that no one is misbehaving with Cindy [;)]


Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Great speaking with you this evening, Pete! Sorry that I failed to acknowledge your Post earlier . . . that's inexcusable and . . . Tweeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeet! Rules violation, Rules violation Rule #19 - Proprietor failing to acknowledge a customer! Boris one "gong" if you please - one tall Bathams coming right up! [swg]

Just a few words B4 shutting it down for the nite . . .

Appreciate the well wishes for our flights to Toronto from Mike 'n Nick! Yes, it would be a grand time for all if only those of us who frequent this place could meet in person - hoist a tankard or three (no matter what it's filled with) and share the good times surely to follow.

Nick it is truly frightening what kind of a "team" we would create! Jack Michaelson indeed! [swg] A sure-fire-winnAH! [tup]

Appreciate the URLs from our URLMeister Monster and can always count on the novel approach to keeping us all involved! [tup][tup]

The Can-Am's passenger operations at Union Station provide for 4 trains each of VIA Rail and Amtrak. The VIA trains are "head out," whereas the Amtrak's are the opposite. My two switchers should handle the situation easily - there are sufficient sidings for them to "sit" and wait their tours of duty.

The turnouts (switches) are all #5 except for the crossovers (double switches) which are #6. You have a keen eye, Mate - a keen eye, indeed! Could've used your talents aboard ship and ashore . . . .[swg]

Oh yes, correct about the O-27 reference! [tup]

Glad you guys all enjoyed the Ives submission. Some of you are revealing more than your ages! [swg] These trains, appropriately termed "toys" have no match in today's offerings . . . pity. Then again, imagination played a much larger part with "playing" than today, methinks.

Been to George's Trains and wouldn't mind a repeat visit . . . [yeah]

Just caught your Post, Rob - so I've "deleted" and begun anew! [tup]
The "countdown" is now taking place and by this time tomorrow, well I'd say you'll be wondering, "How in blazes did I wind up with these two guys[?]" <grin>

Beer store E-mail was "spot on," but I liked those "Canadianisms" much better! [tup] I usually don't make comment on those readdressed readdressals that circulate in cyber space - way too many, way too often and way too much effort expended. However, you do a better than average job of 'filtering' . . . .


CINDY will be bartending during my absence and may be "spelled" by any one of you kind enough to give her a bit of time off . . . . <grin>

LEON the Night Man will take the bar at 9 PM tonight and at 5 PM (Central) during the Rendezvous.

Ring the bell, Boris a nite cap on the Proprietor! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[EricX2000]

Hello Tom (or are you already on the way to the airport?) and Cindy (who is bartending) and the rest of of you!

If the bar still is open I’ll just have a cup of coffee, cream but no sugar, please!
I guess this is my first “real” post after two short ones last week. So I will start to thank all of you for all nice welcomes!!!

I hate to admit that I have not had time to read enough of all posts so I will save my comments till next time. I saw that today is the toy and model train day so I will show a picture of a model of the X2000 (surprise, surprise) that I took recently before I shipped it to a guy in Holland. This particular model had an accident, derailing from four feet of track on top of a six foot high cabinet and falling all the way to the floor. It could only end in one way, disaster. I put it together, sent the picture to Holland and the guy still wanted it.



As many of you already know, I’m coming from the old country (mostly called Sweden) and moved to my new country almost fourteen years ago and live here in Phoenix with my Nebraska farm girl wife (Go Big Red). In the old country I worked for the railroad (Swedish State Railways) for almost 29 years. But it was not only railroading, the first ten years I worked as a bus driver but transfered to the track side in the mid 70’s. The railroad operated a lot of buses at that time. Anyway, I became an engineer, instructor, road foreman, locomotive dispatcher and then I came to the headquarters in Stockholm. In 1989 it was time to start testing the very first X2000 and I was one of five choosen to learn everything (almost) about the train. It was put into revenue service 09/04/90. 1992 Amtrak leased one train set and at the same time they leased me to train their road foremen and engineers how to operate X2000. I was always in the cab with the engineer when the train was moving. In 1993 Amtrak sent the train back to Sweden and I left the railroad.

But even if I left my job with the railroad I am still very much into this about trains. It is like Don Scott told me in 1992: “To work for the railroad is not just a job, it is a way of life.” He is absolutely right. Don was then Amtrak’s System General Road Foreman. A very nice guy.

That is very briefly my background. Just for your information. I know it is kind of late now and maybe the toy & train model day is over but...

See you agian soon! Goodnight!

Eric

[siberianmo]

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THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


It’s Thursday! Join us for some fine pastries from The Mentor Village Baker – a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast – and a cuppa Joe![tup]


This is “getaway day” for the "Our" Place 1st Annual Classic Trains Rendezvous in Toronto! I'll try to drop in either early in the morning or late at nite … no guarantees! Be back on line Monday! [swg]


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3. You keep more food than beer in the fridge.

4. 6:00 AM is when you get up, not when you go to bed.

5. You hear your favorite song on an elevator.


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 05:20:00 (327) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 May 2006, 05:32:32 (327) Right Coast report!

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 10 May 2006, 05:42:08 (327) Toy Train Masters, chat & joke!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 08:02:22 (327) Ives Manufacturing Co. & Pix!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 May 2006, 08:46:31 (327) WVA Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 12:03:57 (327) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 May 2006, 12:21:44 (327) Rob’s lament!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 12:31:02 (327) Late nite acknowledgments, etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 May 2006, 12:43:01 (327) OO – O – HO comparisons

(10) Michaelson (none) Posted: 10 May 2006, 14:36:08 (327) 3rd visit & reminiscing!

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 10 May 2006, 14:47:20 (327) Howls from the Wolf den!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 15:00:02 (327) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) wanswheel Mike Posted: 10 May 2006, 16:38:34 (328) Inclusive & URL Post!

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 May 2006, 19:34:06 (328) Nick at Nite & then some!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 May 2006, 21:00:18 (328) Count Robulla speaks!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 May 2006, 21:07:13 (328) etc.

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 May 2006, 20:58:52 (328) Acknowledgments & Comments

(18) EricX2000 Eric Posted: 11 May 2006, 00:14:16 (328) Getting acquainted!




That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual two light breakfasts, and then must run! I must make comment on the incredible Ives post from Capt. Tom yesterday! What a treat for us all. Great RMC article too Rob, and yes Mike, I have seen the Zephyr and U-boat at the Museum of Sience and Industry ..even have some pix somewhere arounf here.

Here's the 2nd part of the FM article from yesterday:

Toy Train Masters by Allan W. Miller – Vintage Rails No. 11 1988

The Thunderbird - Here’s real, top-level railroading for you model engineers! This big Fairbanks-Morse is nearly 17 inches long, It had twin motors, built-in horn and MAGNE-TRACTION. You must get this new power giant. It is reproduced from blueprints of the Diesel built for the Lackawanna Railroad. And what colorful cars – there’s the red M.&StL. Box car, the green gondola with barrels, a grey hopper, aluminum fini***anker and illuminated caboose. Train measures 5 ft. 8 in. long. Track oval is 60” X 31 7/8”.



In what is generally regarded as Lionel’s postwar period, 1945-1969, the firm produced O gauge Train Master models decorated exclusively for eastern U.S. railroads: the Lackawanna, Virginian, and the Jersey Central. Interestingly, all of these models sported the Fairbanks-Morse logo on their long hoods – something not seen on their full-size counterparts. Just why the logo was added is not known. Early conjecture that Lionel may have received “seed money” for their tooling from Fairbanks-Morse (GM had supported Lionel in this manner in development of the F3 models), and that display of the circular FM logo may have been part of the deal, has been discontinued by individuals involved in the actual negotiations. It’s also a bit odd that the official builder’s name given to this powerful and distinctive locomotive – Train Master – was never used to describe the model in any of Lionel’s postwar catalogs.

Lionel’s postwar Lackawanna Train Masters were produced from 154-1956. The Virginian models were manufactured from 1955-1958 and were reintroduced in 1965-1966. The rarest and most highly valued of all Lionel; Train Masters, regardless of production period, are the orange and blue Jersey Central models, made only in 1956. Today, in mint condition with the original box and paperwork, glossy finish Jersey Central samples may bring prices upwards of $4,500. But before writing a check to anyone selling a postwar-era Lionel Train Master, there are a few quirks the potential buyer should be aware of, especially as they apply to the earliest models.

First, the plastic bodies of Lionel’s Train Masters are secured to the much heavier metal frames by mounting screws at the front and rear of the locomotive. On most models, the screw holes through the plastic were not reinforced, and this often resulted in cracks in the body at the cab end, extending down from the screw hole, which were usually caused by the locomotive being lifted by the body itself (instead of from under the frame), or from the screw being tightened down too firmly.

Also, heat from the lamps in early models often caused the plastic to soften and deform slightly in the area of the roof vents, causing a slight depression. The effect may be barely noticeable, but it is still something to keep in mind, and it does impact value. Later models had a reflective aluminum shield installed to prevent this problem.

Last, but certainly not least, novice buyers need to be aware that excellent reproductions of the postwar Lionel Train Masters abound, and they’re sometimes passed off as originals to unwary buyers. If you’re planning to acquire a legitimate postwar example, you should seek the advice and assistance of an experienced and knowledgeable toy train collector who will know the clues for detecting a fake.

After 1966, FM Train Masters disappeared from Lionel’s catalogs until 1979, when the Virginian was resurrected, accompanied by a Southern Pacific model bearing that road’s “Black Widow” paint scheme. These two were followed in later years by versions decorated for the Chicago & North Western (1980), Santa Fe (1981), Wabash (1983), Jersey Central (1986), Southern (1988), Reading (1993), and Pennsylvania (1994). Of these, the Wabash 550- a special edition made for the J.C. Penny 1983 Christmas catalog – is perhaps the most highly sought after, commanding around $1,000 in mint condition.

If memory serves, my Lionel Train Master was presented to me not as the complete cataloged set depicted in the 1954 catalog, but as the powered unit for an interesting assortment of action-oriented rolling stock hand-picked by Dad, presumably assisted by the savvy hobby dealer, Mr. Amer. Packaged and gift-wrapped separately were a 6460 Bucyrus Erie crane car, 3469 operating coal dump car, 6511 flat car with pipe load, 3620 searchlight car, 3562 operating barrel car, and a 6419 Lackawanna work caboose. This somewhat unconventional lineup may more closely resemble a maintenance-f-way consist than a typical freight train, but I like to think that it somehow reflects my late father’s keen perception of things yet to come: many fanciful model empires to be constructed, dismantled, and then reconstructed, first by a boy, and later by the man-would-would-remain-a-boy, at least in heart. Thanks, Dad! You were right!

[:I] One day a Scotsman who had been stranded on a deserted island for over 10 years, saw a speck on the horizon. He thought to himself, "It's certainly not a ship." And, as the speck got closer and closer, he began to rule out the possibilities of a small boat and even a raft.
Suddenly there emerged from the surf a wet-suited black clad figure. Putting aside the scuba gear and the top of the wet suit , there stood a drop-dead gorgeous blonde!
The glamorous blonde strode up to the stunned Scotsman and said to him,
"Tell me, how long has it been since you've had a good cigar."
"Ten years," replied the amazed Scotsman. With that, she reached over and unzipped a waterproof pocket on the left sleeve of her wetsuit and pulled out a fresh package of cigars. He takes one, lights it, and takes a long drag. "Wee Jackie," said the man, "that is so good I'd almost forgotten how great a smoke can
be!"
"And how long has it been since you've had a drop of good Powers Irish Whiskey?" asked the blonde.
Trembling, the castaway replied, "Ten years."
Hearing that, the blonde reaches over to her right sleeve, unzips a pocket there and removes a flask and hands it to him. He opened the flask and took a long drink. "'Tis nectar of the gods!" stated the Scotsman. "'Tis truly fantastic!!!"
At this point the gorgeous blonde started to slowly unzip the long front of her wet suit, right down the middle. She looked at the trembling man and asked, "And how long has it been since you played around?"
With tears in his eyes, the Scotsman fell to his knees and sobbed, "Don't tell me that you've got golf clubs in there, too!" [:I]

[:I] A husband comes in and yells, ''Honey, pack your clothes! I just won the lottery!''
His wife yells back, ''Should I pack for the beach or for the mountains?''
The husband replies, ''I don't care! Just get the hell out!'' [:I]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

The rains have finally stopped here in mid-Continent USA - but are soon to return, so we've been told. The "low" that brought us "Monsoon-like" conditions yesterday, is now centered near the Great Lakes and will be the cause of precip in Toronto today! <rats!> Best head for the nearest "sanctuary" and wait it out! <grin>

Just wanted to acknowledge the visit of Eric late last night and hope this will be the first of many info-exchanges! [tup][tup][tup] You certainly have an interesting and diverse background in transportation - one that should easily lend itself to much interest here at the bar! My guess is that your X2000/Amtrak experiences during the tour were the highlight of your professional endeavors. Here's hoping for many, many more! [tup]

Doug Nice part II to the Lionel Trainmaster article! [tup] And the jokes - well, got a <smirk> outta me! [swg]

Wudda been nice to have you accompany us at the Toronto Rendezvous - but you'll be there in spirit, eh[?] Send that JO neighbor up our way - there's a special place in the Lake awaiting him! But then, we'd probably get hauled off to the "lock up" for water pollution! <grin>

Rob THANX for the two Posts over at "my other Thread!! [tup][tup][tup] Really appreciate it!

Okay boyz - Cindy has arrived! Ya know what THAT means![?] Best behavior, all 'round . . .. [}:)][:-,]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

Back to the world of cyberspace. Never thought I would miss it so much. If some one had told me ten years ago that I would suffer withdrawal being away from the puter for a few days would have thought they were nuts.

I missed the CB&Q Zephyrs but will add a couple of belated items throughout this day.

The CB&Q operated ever Zephyr with named consists including the head end cars. Not to many Railroads did that.

Without further ado will post some CB&Q streamlined car information for those interested. This will give me a chance to catch up on the postings I missed.

CHICAGO
BURLINGTON
&
QUINCY
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The CB&Q was one of the first successful operators of streamlined trains in the United States and went on to become one of the most innovative railroads in Passenger car development. They personally built only a few streamlined Baggage Cars in their own shops but were responsible for the first modern Dome car in 1945, the first Bi-Level Commuter cars in Chicago, the first Slumbercoach and introduced the stainless steel ZEPHYR fleet to the world.
The first three car articulated ZEPHYR was delivered by Budd to the Burlington in May 1934. The Cab-Engine Room 30’ Railway Post Office 15’ Baggage unit was numbered 9900. This car was articulated in turn to 505 a Baggage – Buffet 20 seat Coach Car. The lead unit 9900 contained the shovelnose engineers control cab followed by the engine room with a 600 hp Winton 201 Diesel and Generator to supply power to the traction motors of the power truck. To the rear of the engine room of the 9900 was a 30’ Railway Post Office Compartment and 15’ Baggage Compartment. The Baggage Compartment in the trailing 505 car was 15’ so total Baggage area of the first two cars combined was some 30’.
In April 1935 two nearly identical three car articulated ZEPHYRS the 9901 and 9902 arrived from Budd for TWIN ZEPHYR service between Chicago and the Twin Cities. In these two lead units there was no Railway Post Office Compartments so the Baggage section of the two lead units was 45’. The second car was not equipped with baggage space as on the 9900 ZEPHYR.
One final articulated four car ZEPHYR was delivered in October 1935 the MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR for service between St. Louis and Burlington, Iowa. The lead unit of this four car train was numbered and named 9903 *** JOE and was identical to the earlier 9900 having a Cab Engine Room 30’ Railway Post Office Compartment and 15’ Baggage Room. The second car of this four car articulated streamliner was sixty-four feet in length and was a full Baggage Car numbered and named 506 BECKY THATCHER.
In June 1938 a fourth car was added to the 9900 ZEPHYR train and the 505 car in this train was converted to a full Baggage Car sixty – four feet in length.
In November 1936 the Burlington introduced the first DENVER ZEPHYRS in overnight service between Chicago and the Colorado Capitol. Each DENVER ZEPHYR had two head end cars assigned to each consist and they were both non-articulated. The first was a Auxiliary Power – 30’ Railway Post Office 24’ Baggage Car 950 SILVER COURIER in one consist and 951 SILVER HERALD in the other.
The second car in each consist was a 23’ Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Bar 26 seat Lounge Car 980 SILVER LINING in one train set and 981 SILVER BAR in the other train set.
In December 1936 the CB&Q received two new TWIN ZEPHYRS from Budd that were completely articulated except for the power unit that was simply coupled and uncoupled. These trains were unique in that the first articulated car in each train set only contained a 12’ Baggage Compartment. These two cars 960 VENUS and 961 APOLLO were 76’ in length and contained a Auxiliary Power room for train heat lighting and air conditioning, the small 12’ Baggage room, a Bar and 26 seat Cocktail Lounge.
In March 1939 the Budd Company and EMD delivered the last Shovelnose Diesel to the CB&Q number 9908 SILVER CHARGER. This unit was of standard diesel dimensions as was the trailing cars with no units articulated. The 9908 SILVER CHARGER was known as a hybrid as it was built with a diesel unit and Baggage Compartment combined in the one unit. GM classified this and similar units built for other railroads as model AA. The 9908 SILVER CHARGER was equipped with a 1,000 hp 567 diesel and the Baggage Compartment to the rear of the engine room was nearly 40’ in length. The 9908 SILVER CHARGER was assigned to pull three other Budd Built cars between St. Louis and Kansas City as the GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR.
The first full size streamlined head end cars arrived on the CB&Q from Budd in March 1940. One of these was full Baggage Car 900 SILVER LIGHT and the other was a 30’ Railway Post Office 39’ Baggage Car 1600 SILVER SHEEN. Both of these cars were initially assigned to a new ZEPHYR the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR between Lincoln-Omaha-St. Joseph-Kansas City. This was the first ZEPHYR to be assigned one of the new EMC E5A units that developed 2,000 hp from a pair of 567 diesels. The train was normally a five-car train but consisting of standard streamlined cars additional cars were easily added.

BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company March 1940 (Built for and assigned to SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR)

900 SILVER LIGHT

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company March 1940 (Built for and assigned to SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR)

1600 SILVER SHEEN

In June 1940 the Budd Company delivered three additional head end cars to the CB&Q two Baggage Cars 901 SILVER CHEST and 902 SILVER EXPRESS. The third car delivered in June 1940 was a 30’ Railway Post Office 39’ Baggage Car 1601 SILVER MAIL. Initially all three cars were assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR overnight between Chicago and Lincoln – Omaha. Most of the cars including the sleeping cars were heavyweights in these trains and would remain so until 1952 when the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYRS would become fully streamlined. In January 1941 1601 SILVER MAIL and 902 SILVER EXPRESS were reassigned to the CB&Q consist of the new ZEPHYR ROCKET operated jointly by the CB&Q and CRI&P between Minneapolis and St. Louis nightly in each direction. These trains also featured heavyweight Sleeping cars and for the Rock Island train set heavyweight head end cars as well.

BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company June 1940 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR and ZEPHYR – ROCKET)

901 SILVER CHEST

902 SILVER EXPRESS

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company June 1940 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR initially transferred to ZEPHYR – ROCKET)

1601 SILVER MAIL

The first postwar streamliners to enter service following the war on the CB&Q were the VISTA – DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS in December 1947. These all new Budd built seven-car streamliners featured no less than five dome cars in each consist. Each train sets first car was a baggage Buffet 39 seat Lounge Car 800 SILVER BUFFET in one train set and 801 SILVER SALON in the other train set.

BAGGAGE BUFFET 39 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company November 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

800 SILVER BUFFET

801 SILVER SALON

In January, 1948 the CB&Q received two 60’ Railway Post Office 22’ Baggage cars 1602 SILVER POST and 1603 SILVER PAGE from Budd. These two cars were assigned to the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and Minneapolis until 1952. After 1952 the two cars ran between Chicago and Minneapolis in the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED

60’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE 22’ BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company January 1948 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER later NORTH COAST LIMITED)

1602 SILVER POST

1603 SILVER PAGE

In February 1948 the CB&Q received six-streamlined Budd built Baggage cars for assignment to the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS, NEBRASKA ZEPHYRS and AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR.
The three CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR assigned Baggage cars owned by the CB&Q were 903 SILVER BEAR, 904 SILVER BUFFALO, and 905 SILVER COYOTE. In addition three other identical Baggage cars for the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR were delivered to operating partners D&RGW and WP. The two Western Pacific Railway owned CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Baggage Cars were 801 SILVER BEAVER and 802 SILVER STAG. The Denver & Rio Grande Western owned CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Baggage Car was 1100 SILVER ANTELOPE.
The former TWIN ZEPHYR consists from 1936 were transferred to a new run the NEBRASKA ZEPHYR between Chicago and Omaha-Lincoln daily in each direction. In February 1948 two Baggage Cars were received for addition to these trains 906 ARGO for the TRAIN OF THE GODDESSSES and 907 OLYMPUS for the TRAIN OF THE GODS. These two cars differed from the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars in that they carried a train heat boiler for the trailing articulated NEBRASKA ZEPHYR consists. These would be the last cars built for the CB&Q that were not assigned SILVER prefix names. These were the only non-articulated cars operated in the NEBRASKA ZEPHYR consists and were trainlined directly behind the power ahead of the articulated train sets.
At the same time as the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR and NEBRASKA ZEPHYR Baggage Cars were delivered the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR received a second streamlined Baggage Car 908 SILVER TREASURE. This gave the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR one prewar streamlined Baggage car in one consist and one new postwar baggage car in the other consist.

72’ BAGGAGE CARS Budd Company February 1948 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR – NEBRASKA ZEPHYR – AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR)

CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR

903 SILVER BEAR

904 SILVER BUFFALO

905 SILVER COYOTE

NEBRASKA ZEPHYR

906 ARGO

907 PEGASUS

AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR

908 SILVER TREASURE

Only one additional lightweight stainless steel head end car would be built for the CB&Q the 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE Baggage Car 1604 SILVER POUCH delivered in January 1953 for assignment to one of the KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR consists between Chicago and Kansas City. All new CB&Q ZEPHYRS from that time forward would receive streamlined head end cars from other ZEPHYRS and the older ZEPHYRS would operate with lightweight streamlined cars built by CB&Q shops.

30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE BAGGAGE CAR Budd Company January 1953 (Built for and assigned to KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR)

1604 SILVER POUCH

The CB&Q built a total of fifty streamlined Baggage Cars in their own shops with twenty of those constructed at the Aurora Shops and the other thirty constructed at the Lincoln shops.
Lincoln shops built the first group of fifteen between October 1950 and March 1951 numbered 1015 – 1034. Aurora Shops built their first ten 990 – 999 between March and May 1951. The Aurora shops built the other ten from their shops between February and April 1953 numbered 1000 – 1009. The final fifteen railroad built Baggage cars 1035 – 1054 were delivered by Lincoln shops between May and September 1953.

BAGGAGE CARS CB&Q Lincoln Shops October 1950 – March 1951 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

1015 – 1034

BAGGAGE CARS CB&Q Aurora Shops March – May 1951 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

990 – 999

BAGGAGE CARS CB&Q Aurora Shops February – April 1953 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

1000 – 1009

BAGGAGE CARS CB&Q Lincoln Shops May – September 1953 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

1035 - 1054
In addition to the railroads own head end cars they owned head end cars that operated in the GN EMPIRE BUILDER and NP NORTH COAST LIMITED. See those respective chapters for details of those head end cars.

CHICAGO
GREAT
WESTERN

The Chicago Great Western purchased but three lightweight streamlined cars and these three delivered in November 1946 were Baggage Cars 80 – 82. They were assigned to General Service operating in the MILL CITY LIMITED and other CGW trains until passenger service ended. In March 1965 the three Baggage Cars were sold to the Great Northern Railway and renumbered 277 – 279. They were often seen running in the westbound EMPIRE BUILDER between St. Paul and Spokane.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard November 1946 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

80 – 82

TTFN Al.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

I recall riding Air Canada a few times between Boston and Toronto; DC9s, IIRC and kind of ratty inside.

I second some of the previous postings – by all means make time for George’s Trains. I remember going there via TTC and picking up all sorts of exotic equipment such as N scale International of Maine boxcars which are still in the fleet.

The Ives material was indeed interesting. A lot of the old trains disappeared ins crap drives during the war.

Rob – Thanks for more scale material; a bewildering combination of numbers, letters and sizes.

Michaelson – As most know who frequent the forum, I spent a fair amount of time in the heart of L&N country. There was a jewelry store in the Nashville Union Station which also had a sign proclaiming it to be the home of the “L&N Watch Inspector.” This was about the only business left in the station other than the L&N ticket office. Also, if you are interested, there is an excellent book title The Iron Horse at War (long o/p) which has shots of watch inspector’s office(s) at Chicago Union Station.

Pete – Thanks for comments and observations

Wanshwheel with more URLs.

Nick had some interesting comments on passenger cars and switching. Some stations had assigned switchers, others such as Washington, Jacksonville, and Cincinnati had their own terminal companies which took care of switching. Washington, to me was always the most interesting as they had a fleet of RS1s. Al probably remembers them well. Anyway, back in the day you could wander around so I got lots of pictures of the blue and white Washington Terminal engines switching cars from a wide variety of railroads.
South Station in Boston was, of course, home to the New Haven and the B&A. They used their own switchers, although most of the time the NH backed arriving trains from the station back to Dover St. The B&A used Alco switchers most of the time.

Looping back to the model side for a moment – passenger equipment in N scale has its own problems which can be solved by religious attention to track work and also by weighting the cars. I use chimney flashing material because it is flexible. Every car I have has been weighted and it solved a lot of problems because they were all too !@#$ light, by any standard. Old cars produced by MRC (they made excellent models of LW C&O cars) were especially prone to this. I also found that tinkering with switches and using the largest ones I could, really helped. I had a double slip on one layout and I even got that to work after awhile – mostly involved cleaning up odd burrs and pieces of plastic.. I know, we’re not doing a modeling forum, but it’s no fun when the stuff won’t stay on the rails – not only that it spills the drinks in the parlor cars.

Eric – A belated welcome – as various folks have suggested this is a diverse group as you have probably gathers from reading the posts and looking at some of the user names we have. I’m looking forward to more posts from you.

Barndad – Thanks for the second TM post. I remember the early TMs with the deformation the article mentioned. Being of a mechanical turn of mid (c’mon Boris, give me back the gears and springs – I need them) I remember taking the TMs apart – it was, shall we say, sometimes a challenge. The CNJ TM was (and is) a tough one to find. There were two switchers produced by Lionel that I coveted, but were beyond my means – they were both generic SWs – one in CNJ and the other in SAL.

Al - Thanks so much for your post - more itrems for the ever-gorwing binder.

I imagine most are airborne to the frozen north. Keep the shiny side up and be careful.

Well, back to our regularly scheduled programming – belt take-ups.

Work safe

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Good Morning once again can't resist the CB&Q here is part two.

Chicago
Burlington
&
Quincy
(CB&Q)

Streamlined Dome Cars
by Al


The Chicago Burlington & Quincy would be the largest owner of Budd built dome cars prior to Burlington Northern and a year later Amtrak.
The Burlington as previously mentioned built the first modern dome car in their own Aurora Shops in Illinois. Actually this was a rebuild from a prewar Budd built stainless steel streamlined coach. The completed car was the 4714 SILVER DOME so named upon completion of the conversion to dome. The CB&Q named the car a Vista-Dome a name they would use for all of the domes they owned except for the one VIEW series full-dome they operated in the GN EMPIRE BUILDERS.

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 34 REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1940 Rebuilt to Dome in CB&Q Aurora Shops June 1945 (World’s first modern dome car referred to as the pattern dome assigned to TWIN ZEPHYR)

4714 SILVER DOME original name SILVER ALCHEMY)

From this single car the CB&Q would order ten Vista-Domes for the two consists of the postwar VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR. Each consist would have no less than five of the new VISTA-DOMES in each consist. There was three 54 revenue seat Vista-Dome coaches, one 50 revenue seat Vista-Dome coach and a single 29-revenue seat Parlor with 5-revenue seat Parlor Drawing Room Vista-Dome Observation. In addition their were two additional seats located at the rear of the Observation that were only a little less plu***han the other parlor seats that were sold as parlor seating when all other parlor seats were sold out. In actual fact the two observations actually sold 31-parlor seats not counting the five in the parlor drawing room located beneath the dome with its own private bathroom. In actual fact rare was the occasion when all 31 of these seats were not sold out as parlor car seating. All three types of dome cars had 24-non revenue seats in the domes.
The 54-revenue seat Vista-Dome coach’s featured 20-reclining seats forward of the dome, a large Women’s and Men’s restrooms were located beneath the dome. To the rear of the dome was located another 34-reclining seats.
The other Vista-Dome coach carried in each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR featured a Hostess room on the right side of the car forward on the main level. To the rear of the small Hostess room was 18-seats on the main level forward of the dome. Beneath the dome of these cars was a crew dayroom with 4-chairs and locker with a crew restroom annex. A small pair of passenger restrooms occupied the remaining space beneath the dome. To the rear of the dome on the cars main level were 32 –reclining seats, and a small conductors office.
The trains originally operated with two flat top cars as well one a 48-seat dining car the other a baggage-buffet 39-seat lounge car, bringing the original consists to seven cars each.
The VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS entered service December 19, 1947 becoming the first Vista-Dome trains in the world to enter scheduled service. Each train set would complete a round trip daily between Chicago and Minneapolis. In the mornings they operated as the MORNING VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS and in the afternoons as the AFTERNOON VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 54-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company July – October 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4725 SILVER ISLAND

4726 SILVER RIVER

4727 SILVER STREAM

4728 SILVER WAVE

4729 SILVER SCENE

4730 SILVER VISION

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME CREW ROOMS 50-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company October 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4723 SILVER BLUFF

4725 SILVER GLADE

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company November – December 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

360 SILVER VIEW

361 SILVER VISTA

The following is a list of the two consists of the initial VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.

800 SILVER BUFFET
Baggage-Buffet 39-seat Lounge Car
4726 SILVER RIVER
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4727 SILVER STREAM
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4728 SILVER WAVE
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-Revenue seat Coach
4723 SILVER BLUFF
24-seat Vista-Dome 50-Revenue seat Coach
197 SILVER FEAST
48-seat Dining Car
360 SILVER VIEW
24-seat Vista-Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 31-seat Parlor Observation

801 SILVER SALON
Baggage Buffet 39-seat Lounge Car
4729 SILVER SCENE
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4725 SILVER ISLAND
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4730 SILVER VISION
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4724 SILVER GLADE
24-seat Vista-Dome 50-revenue seat Coach
196 SILVER SALVER
48-seat Dining Car
361 SILVER VISTA
24-seat Vista-Dome 5-seat parlor Drawing Room 31-seat Parlor Observation

The CB&Q along with the D&RGW and WP ordered the most famous dome equipped streamliners of all in October 1945 two months after the CB&Q ordered the first two VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR streamliners. This second order for Vista-Dome cars was for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, the train that would become a legend in its own right, America”s first cruise train
Each of the six VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR train sets were initially eleven cars in length; five of those cars were domes. Each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR initially carried four types of different domes per consist, a women & children’s Vista Dome Coach, standard Vista Dome coaches, Vista Dome Buffet Lounge crew Dormitory and Vista-Dome 3-DBR 1 DR Bar Lounge and Lounge observation.
The first Vista-Dome 46-leg-rest seat coach in each of the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR consists was a designated women and Children’s car. The forward 18-seat coach area had a passageway door beneath the dome just forward of the men’s restroom to segregate this part of the car from the rest of the car. The remainder of these cars seated the standard 24 in the dome and 24 leg-rest seats on the main level aft of the dome. There were six of these cars built by Budd for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. Two were CB&Q cars, one a D&RGW car and the remaining three WP owned. It is believed the cars lasted about two years as designated Women and Children’s car before the passageway door was removed and they were operated just as if they were any other dome coach in the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES (designated Women & Children’s) Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered January – February 1948

4721 SILVER SADDLE

4722 SILVER STIRRUP

D&RGW
Delivered February 1948

1108 SILVER PONY

WP
Delivered February – March 1948

815 SILVER SCHOONER

816 SILVER SCOUT

817 SILVER THISTLE

The remaining eighteen Vista-Dome Coaches were 46-Leg-Rest Seat Cars without the passageway door beneath the dome. Eighteen Leg-rest seats forward of the dome on the main level and 28 on the main level aft of the depressed center beneath the dome. One each men’s and ladies restroom was located beneath the 24-seat Vista Dome. These restrooms were quite large with make-up area and bench in the ladies room, two sinks, and one separate toilet room, the men’s restroom provided two toilets with a bench and 4 sinks. This became the standard Budd arrangement for long distance dome coaches that would follow over the ensuing years. Since the Vista Dome Coaches were delivered to the operating roads before the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR entered service they were assigned to the heavyweight EXPOSITION FLYER between Chicago and Oakland. The EXPOSITION FLYER would be discontinued with the inauguration of the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered March – April 1948

4716 SILVER BRIDLE

4717 SILVER LODGE

4718 SILVER LARIAT

4719 SILVER RANCH

4720 SILVER RIFLE

D&RGW
Delivered March – April 1948

1106 SILVER COLT

1107 SILVER MUSTANG

1108 SILVER BRONCO

WP
Delivered March – May 1948

811 SILVER DOLLAR

812 SILVER FEATHER

813 SILVER PALACE

814 SILVER SAGE

The fourth dome in the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR was the Vista-Dome Buffet Lounge Crew Dormitory car. The dome seated the usual 24 beneath the glass, in the short forward section of the cars main level was the Coffee Shop with seating for 19 arranged around four tables for four and one table for three. Beneath the dome was a 7-seat lounge area and the small kitchen pantry that served the Coffee Shop and Lounge area. The dome level of these cars was restricted to use by sleeping car passengers only who reached the dome by using the passageway alongside the Crew Dormitory space. To the rear of the dome on the main level was the crew dormitory area providing space for 15 in the main bunk area for the Dining car and Buffet lounge crew. To the rear of the general dormitory were two bedrooms, one for the dining car steward, and the other for the Zephyrette. The Zephyrette was the train hostess assigned to the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS. Initially these stewardesses were either College graduates or registered nurses, later these requirements were relaxed when many would be stewardesses turned to the airlines instead of the trains for work. The VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Zephyrettes were home based in Oakland.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP 7-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET-PANTRY 19-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered October-November 1948

250 SILVER CLUB

251 SILVER LOUNGE

252 SILVER ROUNDUP

D&RGW
Delivered November 1948

1140 SILVER SHOP

WP
Delivered November 1948

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

The last car and last Vista-Dome in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR was among the most beautiful cars ever built for railroad use. These cars besides having a dome that seated the standard 24, featured three Double Bedrooms one Drawing Room all forward of the dome on the main level. Beneath the dome was a twelve-passenger lounge with seating at tables for eight at tables for two and one table for four and bar. To the rear of the depressed area of the car was a lounge with seating for 18 one of these at a small writing desk providing complimentary VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR stationary. This latter lounge was in the rounded observation end. There were six of these cars built initially for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The Drawing Room Annex in each of these cars was retrofitted with a shower in 1951 after the cars had been in service for about two years.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company Plan: 9511 Lots: 9659-019-020-021 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered December 1948

375 SILVER HORIZON

376 SILVER PENTHOUSE

377 SILVER SOLARIUM

D&RGW
Delivered December 1948

1145 SILVER SKY

WP
Delivered December 1948

881 SILVER CRESCENT

882 SILVER PLANET

The CB&Q Aurora Shops were busy once again in July 1949 rebuilding another prewar Budd built streamlined coach into another of the so-called pattern dome cars identical to the earlier 4714 SILVER DOME. This second pattern dome 4709-SILVER CASTLE another coach originally constructed by Budd in June 1940 retained its name and number. After being rebuilt to a dome the 4709 SILVER CASTLE was assigned to one of the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS. In fact the CB&Q operated both of their pattern domes in the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS. No picture has ever surfaced of the two pattern domes operating in the same consist while in CB&Q or BN service. But pictures exist of the two TWIN ZEPHYRS passing with each having one pattern dome in each consist.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 34-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1940 Rebuilt to Dome in CB&Q Aurora Shop July 1949 (Rebuilt for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR)

4709 SILVER CASTLE

In December 1952 the CB&Q received a single 24-seat Vista-Dome 3-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Bar 12-seat lounge 18- seat lounge Observation from Budd lettered for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. This car was delivered with a shower in the annex of the drawing room. The shower feature had been added to the drawing room annexes of the earlier Vista-Dome Sleeper lounge Observations built for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR in 1951.
The CB&Q purchased this car and three sleeping cars for the VISTA–DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool so two 10-6 sleeping cars, one 16-section sleeping car and one of the Vista-Dome Sleeper lounge Observations could be utilized in their Chicago layover to operate to Lincoln overnight on the rear of the VISTA-DOME AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR. These cars would then return to Chicago the following night and after arrival the next morning in Chicago the four cars would be assigned to that afternoons departing westbound VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. This was the last round end observation ever built for the CB&Q all future Observations built for ZEPHYRS would be blunt ended with diaphragms fitted for use mid-train if necessary.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1952 Plan: 9433 Lot: 9659-112 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

378 SILVER LOOKOUT

The next CB&Q Vista-Domes delivered were four in 1952 for the startup of a new daylight ZEPHYR between Chicago and Kansas City made possible by the new Kansas City shortcut. The old route left the direct line to St. Joseph at Cameron Junction and proceeded to Kansas City. This route was 490 miles from Chicago to Kansas City and the track south of Cameron Junction was built for anything but fast running. The new Kansas City shortcut left the St. Joseph mainline at Brookfield and headed over new high-speed trackage on a far more direct route to Kansas City. The route cut 24 miles from the old route but had none of the slow running of the old route. This new shortcut permitted the CB&Q to at last compete with the Santa Fe between Kansas City and Chicago. The CB&Q was not concerned about their overnight service as it departed at a late hour and arrived at the other city in the early morning in time for a full day’s business. The overnight service did not require the speed of a daytime operation but never the less the CB&Q was going to upgrade the overnight AMERICAN ROYAL to ZEPHYR status at the same time. Some of the equipment operated in the new daytime Chicago to Kansas City service would also be utilized in the overnight VISTA-DOME AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR as well. The new daytime train was named the VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR and each of this trains two-train sets was comprised of six cars each as follows:

1601 SILVER MAIL
Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car
4702 SILVER SPRING
52-Revenue seat Coach
4732 SILVER SHIELD
50-Revenue seat Coach
320 SILVER GARDEN
24-seat Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet Crew Dormitory 24-seat Coach
199 SILVER INN
48-seat Dining Car
366 SILVER TOWER
24-seat Vista Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 27- Seat Parlor Observation


1604 SILVER POUCH
Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car
4715 SILVER CASCADE
52-Revenue seat Coach
4733 SILVER SPEAR
50-Revenue seat Coach
321 SILVER PATIO
24-seat Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet Crew Dormitory 24- seat Coach
200 SILVER MANOR
48-seat Dining Car
365 SILVER TERRACE
24-seat Vista Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 27-seat Parlor Observation

The Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet crew Dormitory coaches operated in both the new VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS and new VISTA-DOME AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYRS.
The interiors of these two cars featured the 24-Vista Dome seats and the forward end of these cars featured a 24 revenue seat coach section and a small Crew Dormitory space (3-Crew) just ahead of the cars depressed center. Beneath the dome was a large Buffet and six seat Lounge with one table for four and one table for two to the rear of the depressed area of the car was a 17-seat Coffee Shop arranged with two tables for four, and three tables for three located on the cars main level, with the stairs leading to the dome.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET LOUNGE COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company December 1952 (Built for and assigned to KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS and AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYRS)

320 SILVER GARDEN

321 SILVER PATIO

The other dome car assigned to each VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR was a Vista-Dome Parlor Observation. These were the first of four blunt ended observations Budd would build for the CB&Q. The CB&Q Vista-Dome blunt end cars featured windows on either side of the rear door fitted with a diaphragm. This afforded the passengers viewing to the rear. In many ways it was better than the view from the rounded end observations as the view through the glass was not distorted as the panes on the rounded end observations often were.
The interiors of these two cars featured the standard 24-seats in the Vista-Dome, forward of the dome on the main level was seven Parlor seats. Beneath the dome was a 5-seat Parlor drawing Room with private annex and a pair of restrooms for the other parlor car patrons. In the main level area to the rear of the dome was another parlor lounge area with 20-Parlor seats.
In the 1960’s the VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS ran combined with the NEBRASKA ZEPHYRS between Chicago and Galesburg both eastbound and westbound. This was probably the only assignment these cars operated in that they were used mid-train.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 27-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company November – December 1952 (Built for and assigned to KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS)

365 SILVER TERRACE

366 SILVER TOWER

The next new Vista-Domes to arrive were ten 46-leg rest seat cars for the NP VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED fully painted in the new Raymond Loewy two-tone green with white separation stripe scheme. The Budd built domes delivered to the NP were smooth sided cars not fluted side panels as on all previous domes built by Budd. The CB&Q owned two of these cars as they operated the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED between Chicago and St. Paul daily in each direction. The NP assigned these Vista-domes to replace two of that trains 56-revenue seat Leg Rest Coaches. The NP train-lined a flat top Coach between the dome coaches in order to assure the passengers a more unobstructed view. This was certainly something that would have benefited other train operating with domes. . The NP operated the new Vista-Dome coaches two per consist with one a Chicago – Portland car the other a through Chicago – Seattle car.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company July – August 1954 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

550-556

CB&Q

557,558

SP&S

559

Between September and November 1954 the NP received 10 Vista-Dome Sleeping cars for the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED. These like the earlier Vista-Dome coaches were assigned in pairs to the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED. The interiors of these cars featured 4 Roomettes 4 Double Bedrooms and 4 Duplex Single Rooms beneath the Dome. The revenue space was for a maximum 16 passengers, not much when the cars they replaced had revenue space for 22. This gave the NP premier trains two Vista-Domes between Chicago and Portland and two between Chicago and Seattle. Rare were Dome Sleeping cars that were not observations, only the B&O would own three dome sleeping cars originally built for the C&O CHESSIE. In fact their was only a total of fifteen built and the one constructed for the TRAIN OF TOMORROW spent its entire revenue career operating in Parlor car service for the UP between Portland and Seattle. For further information on these Vista-Dome Sleeping cars see the NP chapter.

24-SEAT VISTA –DOME 4-ROOMETTES 4-DUPLEX SINGLE ROOMS 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company Plan: 9535 Lot: 9669-141 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED)

CB&Q

304,305

SP&S

306

NP

307-313

The next domes to arrive that the CB&Q owned were three 46-leg-rest seat Vista-Domes built as part of an order for sixteen for the GN EMPIRE BUILDER. They were delivered by Budd and entered service in May 1955. The GN assigned three to each consist of the EMPIRE BUILDER replacing three 48-seat Coaches in each consist. Unfortunately like the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR they were all coupled together. Two of the Great Domes as the GN referred to them were assigned to Chicago – Seattle service and the third was assigned to Chicago – Portland service operating via the SP&S between Spokane and Portland in each direction.. As with the NP domes these cars were flat-sided stainless steel cars from Budd painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green scheme with Dulux Gold separation stripes and lettering of the Great Northern.

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1320 – 1331

SP&S

1332

CB&Q

1333-1335

In October 1955 Budd delivered six full-length dome Lounge cars to the GN for the Pullman passengers of the GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER. They were coupled behind the GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER 36-seat dining car in each train set. The upper level of these huge cars seated 75, 57 in single and double seats for viewing and an 18-seat lounge. The lounge centered beneath the dome seated 32 with a large Buffet. An electric dumbwaiter operated between the lower level buffet and the upper level lounge area to serve those passengers drinks from the lower level. These cars operated on six wheel trucks to spread their weight. The cars were smooth side stainless steel cars from Budd and as with the earlier short domes were fully painted and lettered for the EMPIRE BUILDER. After the full compliment of three short domes and one full dome was added to the EMPIRE BUILDERS they were advertised as the Incomparable GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER. The GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER was the only train prior to Amtrak and Auto-Train to operate with both short domes and a full-dome in each consist. For further details of these cars see the Great Northern chapter.

75-SEAT GREAT DOME BUFFET 32 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October 1955 (Built for and assigned to GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1390 GLACIER VIEW

1391 OCEAN VIEW

1392 MOUNTAIN VIEW

1393 LAKE VIEW

1394 PRAIRIE VIEW

CB&Q

1395 RIVER VIEW

The CB&Q stunned the railroad world of the day with the announcement in February 1955 they were ordering two new twelve car trains as replacements for the 1936 streamlined DENVER ZEPHYRS. These would be the last full service trains built for overnight service in the United States before the Amtrak Superliners. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were actually fourteen car trains when they entered service October 28, 1956.
Unusual were the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains, as they not only carried first class sleeping car passengers but Parlor Car passengers as well. This was true of the 1936 versions of the DENVER ZEPHYR and the same was offered in the 1956 versions of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS. Eastbound the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS offered Parlor car seating between Denver and Lincoln, while westbound parlor car space was sold between Chicago and Omaha. These new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided reserved Coach seating for 146, the Slumbercoaches provided space for another 80 coach passengers. The first class section of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided parlor space for 16 passengers and sleeping car space for 88. The Colorado Springs section of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided one coach with 50-seats, a 24-seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Crew Dormitory, one Slumbercoach with economy sleeping space for 40, and a 10-roomette 6-double bedroom sleeping car with first class sleeping space for 22. This gave the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS space for 330 passengers between Chicago and Omaha, while its eastbound counterpart provided space for 330 between Denver and Lincoln.
The two head end car in each consist were built by Budd for other CB&Q trains. Being stainless steel they looked as good as the new Budd built cars fresh from the factory that inaugurated the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS not only operated between Chicago and Denver in each direction nightly, operating four through cars beyond Denver to Colorado Springs added to the rear of the D&RGW ROYAL GORGE between the two Colorado cities daily in each direction. Each consist of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were assigned three Vista-Domes, a 46 seat leg rest coach, a dormitory buffet lounge Car, and a parlor buffet Observation bringing up the markers. The two initial consists are listed below with all four Slumbercoaches listed even though two were not delivered until November 1956. The consists had not changed since their inaugural, the two new Slumbercoaches were the Denver cars. Through cars to and from Colorado Springs are shown in parenthesis.

1601 SILVER MAIL
Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car
906 ARGO
Baggage Car
4741 SILVER REIN
50-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4736 SILVER BRAND
24-seat Vista-Dome 46-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4901 SILVER SLUMBER
24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach
4737 SILVER BIT
50-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
254 SILVER KETTLE
24-Seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Lunch Counter Crew Dormitory Car
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
4902 SILVER REST
24-Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
493 SILVER RIDGE
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
201 SILVER CHEF
48-Seat Dining Car
453 SILVER SWAN
5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
486 SILVER PLATEAU
10-Roomette 6-Double bedroom Sleeping Car
487 SILVER HOLLOW
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
236 SILVER VERANDA
24-Seat Vista-Dome 11-Seat Parlor 5-Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar Lounge-Lounge Observation


1604 SILVER POUCH
Baggage 30” Railway Post Office Car
907 OLYMPUS
Baggage Car
4739 SILVER HALTER
50-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4735 SILVER BUCKLE
24-Seat Vista-Dome 46-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4900 SILVER SIESTA
24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach
4738 SILVER BLANKET
50-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
253 SILVER CUP
24-Seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Lunch Counter Crew Dormitory Car
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
4903 SILVER REPOSE
24-Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
485 SILVER TERRAIN
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
202 SILVER TUREEN
48-Seat Dining Car
454 SILVER PELICAN
5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
491 SILVER RAVINE
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
488 SILVER BOULDER
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
235 SILVER CHATEAU
24-Seat Vista-Dome 11-Seat Parlor 5 Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar Lounge – Lounge Observation

The first Vista Dome in each of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS was a 46-seat Leg-Rest Coach the same as they had built for the VISTA–DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS in 1948 by Budd. These would be the last fluted side stainless steel domes of this type built by Budd. They would construct one smooth sided painted Vista-Dome 46-Leg-Rest Seat Coach for the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED in December 1957 along with another of their Vista-Dome Sleeping Cars. These would be the final two short Domes delivered by Budd.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG REST COACHES Budd Company August 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4735 SILVER BUCKLE

4736 SILVER BRAND

The second Vista-Dome in each new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR featured the standard 24 seats in the dome, forward of the dome on the main level of the cars was a 19-seat Coffee Shop made up of four tables for four and one table for three. Beneath the dome was a table for four and an 8 seat Lunch Counter. To the rear of the depressed section beneath the dome was the Kitchen, stairway to the dome level and seventeen Crew dormitory space, a steward’s bedroom completed the cars floor plan. These cars operated as through cars to Colorado Springs.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19 SEAT COFFEE SHOP 8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 18-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

253 SILVER CUP

254 SILVER KETTLE

The last car in each VISTA–DOME DENVER ZEPHYR was a Vista-Dome blunt end observation for first class passengers only. These cars featured the standard 24-seats in the Vista-Dome with an 11-seat Parlor section on the main level forward of the dome along with a 5-seat Parlor drawing room. Beneath the Dome was the “Colorado Room” a 12 seat Cocktail Lounge with Bar. The rear of the cars main level was occupied by a 13-seat lounge one at a desk. This completed the Vista-Dome deliveries to the CB&Q.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 11-SEAT PARLOR 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 12-SEAT LOUNGE 13 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company September 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

235 SILVER CHATEAU

236 SILVER VERANDA

The CB&Q owned one Full Length Budd built dome and thirty-six short domes including the two pattern domes they constructed from flattop coaches in their own Aurora shops. Only the Union Pacific and Burlington Northern would own more before Amtrak. The Union Pacific owned forty-four and Burlington Northern owned seventy-three.
All CB&Q domes passed into Burlington Northern ownership following the March 1970 merger of the CB&Q-GN-NP-SP&S-FW&D-C&S.

TTFN Al

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

Alright CINDY I will give you a short break on this busy morning at the bar.The CAN-AM crews off the switching locos, doing the sidings behind the bar, will be in soon for their breakfasts, just a coffee for me please.

Its great behind the bar I see the note says TEX and AWK already fed and love the
DO NOT CHILL sign on the barrel of Bathams [^].

Great Chicago links from MIKE and model talk from NICK and ROBtup]last evening.

Thanks Doug for the second part on the Lionel TrainMasters[wow] $ 4,500 for a Jersey Central model in good condition and some good tips when buying used models.
It appears that British Railways had a simular looking but smaller version of the TrainMasters I have found a link to it
http://www.d8233.org.uk.
Good jokes but a Scotsman drinking Irish Whiskey[%-)][?].

Good to see you back AL two great posts on the CB&Q head end and Vista Dome cars[tup][tup][tup] The early 50s must have been a wonderful time to travel on the American Railroads What a great name for a car Silver Lining is.

CM3 Interesting piece on the passenger car switching. I guess that there is not much passenger switching done today on the N.American RRs[?]
It is a thing in the past in the UK. Not too long ago each major station had at least one, what was known as Station Pilots, to release baggage cars etc. In steam days on ex LMS lines this was usually done by a "Jinty" 0-6-0 tank locos(simular in appearance to Thomas the Tank) these were followed by the class08 diesel shunters of 350HP.

ERIK X2000.Great post and photo and as the others say I hope to see more.
I suppose you know that this year is the 150th anniversary of the railways of Sweden with a big festival at Gaevle in September as well as other celebrations including preserved steam and electric locos working trains. There is a web site
http//www.jarnvagsmuseum.se

Well TOM and TED should be well on the way to see ROB and I hope the rain holds off.

CINDY you had better come back, the train crew say they cant understand what I am saying [:-^]. PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Good morning gents. Cindy a number three and a coffee. I see that Boris had donned his gladiator get up to defend you from any unwelcome advances. The helmut's a nice touch Boris oh... it's Tex coiled around your head. Well whatever floats your boat I guess.

I will be leaving in about an hour to had up the 403 / 401 and collect sir Tom and Sir Ted. I will try to pop in once a day or so over the weekend as well. Just so everyone is cool, I put a very large order in for food and fuel ( beer ) so the bar will be well stocked in our absence. Leon and Boris have just finished unloading and H&H are doing the inventory.

Eric Thanks for popping back in last night. Good to hear about your railrealted commings and goings.[tup] I'm certain that you will fit in well hear [yeah][:D]And you have the added bonus of a fellow Scandanavian Lars to semi talk shop with as well.

Doug great second piece to that article.It's great to knwo that you still have that important bit of your child hood. The picture was abit of a challenge for me old system again though, oh well worth the wait.

CM3 Good to see you in again this morning. I know that you will help pick up the slack whislt Tom and ted and I are indesposed.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Here's a blast from the past that I dug up in my travels last night. I figure that it's appropriate concidering today is "R" day for the rendezvous. A state of the rendezvous planning post from the head cook and bottle washer himself ( until we found Boris and Leon that is ) This just goes to show the time taken in planning and prepping this feat of a meet by Tom. a 5x[tup] fer sure fer sure !
This post originally appeared last june and way back on page 24 ! [wow][:O]

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Hi Dave - The coffee pots 'round here are always filled with freshly brewed regular and unleaded ........ help yourself! [tup]

Should you come across that info on the RDC you mentioned, please post it .... [tup]

Based upon what has come through thus far regarding the FIRST ANNUAL "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous, we ARE going forward with the planning as posted earlier.

Particulars are encouraged to be sent to me by Email, thereby freeing up our thread for the "stuff" that goes on 'round here. So, your thoughts are most welcome. [swg]

From the Email I've received - all positive - it's just a matter of going through those steps I've listed - refining 'em where needed - and moving on with the plan. With a group of 10 regulars - I expect that we'd be really living well if half that number agreed to (1) the rendezvous (2) a location (3) and time of year.

Speaking just for me, I'd be content with any location that can provide the type of experience that our guys are looking for. As I gather more info from the Email inputs, I'll provide a narrative for all to see .... similiar to my previous post.

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom

[trolleyboy]

Okay guys since Lars is still away here's another reminder for next week. The biggest most important Birthday Bash will occur on the 18th at 7pm Tom's time,central lets make his 68th the best that it can be. He does it for us.

Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

I just popped in to see if CINDY needed a hand but it all seems quiet at the moment[:(],
now that ROB as gone to pick up TOM & TED.

Ah well I'll give BORIS a hand with the dishes, have a pint of Bathams and remind everyone that it is Fish 'N' Chip nite tonight.

DOUG The link I gave you in my last post does not seem to be working try this one
http://www.d8233.org.uk/links.html
and click on the photo galleries for some pics of a TrainMaster look a like
PETE.

[Anonymous]

Howdy hi Tom and friends! I'll have a bottomless draught on this cold, and buy a round on this cold, rainy and windy day. That's quite a collection of CB&Q Zephyr information Al, and reminds me of something I don't believe I shared here before.



This is a dinner ticket for a fundraiser that we do at the IRM about six days each year. If ya'll ever get a hankerin' to visit the IRM, I suggest you check the website and plan to attend when this train is running. I'm not sure what they plan to do this year, because of the car damage we experienced about 6 months ago, plus I know they want to work on all the trucks, provided there is money enough to do it all.

Believe it or not, this engine makes no noise when it runs, but the horn can sure make you jump!


Here's the damage to two of the cars as a result of a switch being thrown while the train was backing up


Welcome ericx2000 [#welcome] Hope you join in on the bar banter and share your SSR railroading experiences with us! I was at a meeting of the 20th Century Railroad club last night, where the presentation dealt with pictures found on the internet, using foreign words in Google searches, which seemed yield pictures that we don't typically see when searching just in English. The speaker had Google searched words like tranjo, tranparado, tranvia, traukinys, trein, trem, tren, treni, treno, trenu, trikk ... and that's just some of the "T" words.


Glad the jokes weren't a total bomb for you today Tom, but somehow, it's more fun to hear the complaints! [;)] As for the JO situation, we're keeping as cool as we can, because we don't have too much longer to endure their crap. I'd like to think they'll get what they so richly deserve down the line.

Thanks for the link Peter. Now I just have to figure out how to work it! [:0]

[:I] A priest was driving to his church when he saw two people bending over in the grass. He decided to see why. He walked over to them and asked what they were doing. The man said they were homeless and grass was the only thing they could eat. The priest said, ''You can eat over at the church.'' The woman said, ''We have nine children -- will there be enough?'' ''Oh yes, '' the priest replied, ''the grass is 2 1/2 inches taller over there.'' [:I]

[:I] Two cannibals are eating dinner and one says, "I hate my mother-in-law."
The other replies, "Well, just eat your noodles, then." [:I]

[wanswheel]

Hi Cindy or Leon or whom it may concern, a round for the house

Nick, you're right, that is a replica of Stephenson's "Rocket" at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. The old miniature Santa Fe has indeed been replaced by "The Great Train Story," which is what that link is actually about. Just click on the word "Tour" to see the pictures of the BNSF layout.

Eric, it's no surprise that Swedes are taller than most, but six feet from the floor seems excessive elevation to run model trains. Just kidding, sorry for the mishap. Incidentally as a kid I used to wait a moment for a bus to depart so to inhale the delicious fumes.

Doug, your knack for selecting photographs to decorate your posts is a gif to us all.
Enlarging the picture of the Exposition Flyer at Stockton shows that the motor vehicles at the station are typical of what was being driven in 1952. One advantage of getting older is to know what was what way back when.

Al, once I went 55 years without going online, no problem. Doubt if I could do it again. Thanks for another ample dose of Centrum Silver.

CM3, the little people in the parlor cars whose drinks are spilt in derailments, they probably are feeling no pain. At their scale about a teaspoon of Jack Daniels should be sufficient to party on.

Pete, if I referred to those locomotives as electric I meant that the pictures were electrifying.

Now what, should I address the rendezvousers or just figure Tom wouldn't haul his laptop to Toronto.
If you're within sight of this site, Tom, Ted and Rob, you haven't been gone long enough for me to miss you. But I will after a while, I promise. http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/pan/6a27000/6a27700/6a27708r.jpg
Mike

[passengerfan]

Good Evening All Time for a CR and a round for the house.

I shall do one mopre CB&Q post and call it a day. They were truly a great railroad and offered passenger service second to none. Every Budd car they ordered was deluxe with full skirting no other railroad did the same.

CHICAGO
BURLINGTON
&
QUINCY
(CB&Q)
Streamlined Dining and Lounge Cars
by Al

In June 1933 the CB&Q ordered a three car articulated streamliner from the Budd Company of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The new train delivered in April 1934 became known as the PIONEER ZEPHYR. The famous shovelnose diesel was introduced with this train and ideas introduced in this train would be incorporated in even today’s streamlined trains such as the Amtrak Talgo train sets operating in the Pacific Northwest. The first articulated unit 9900 included the engineer’s compartment, engine room, 30’Railway Post Office compartment and a 15-3/4’ Baggage compartment. The center articulated unit 505 provided a 29-1/2’ baggage compartment, the train heat boiler, a buffet followed by the cars entrance and a 20-revenue seat coach compartment. The third articulated unit 570 featured a 40-revenue coach seating compartment forward with the cars entrance next followed by a pair of bathrooms on either side of the center aisle and a 12 passenger parlor lounge observation. The car we are concerned with here is the 505.
The Buffet was a compact kitchen located ahead of the cars entrance and contained stove refrigerator and preparation area as well as pantry and sinks for dishwashing etc. Passengers were served at their seat, as there was no room in the tiny 5-1/2’ buffet for serving them. The PIONEER ZEPHYR is now on permanent display at the Museum of Science and Industry located along Chicago’s lakeshore.

ARTICULATED BAGAGE BUFFET 20-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company April 1934 (Became the second car in the PIONEER ZPHYR)

505
Two new three car articulated Zephyrs arrived from Budd in March 1933 for Chicago – Twin Cities service as the TWIN ZEPHYRS. The two power units 9901 and 9902 contained an engineer’s compartment, engine room 28-3/4’ Baggage compartment and train heat boiler room. The center car featured a kitchen Pantry and four-seat lunch counter occupying the first 13-1/2’ of cars 550 and 101. Next were the cars entrance followed by a 40-revenue seat coach section in which the first eight seats forward on each side of the aisle doubled as a dining area. Most passengers of these two trains were again served at their seats. The third articulated cars 571 and 102 provided a 26-revenue coach section forward, the cars entrance and behind a pair of restrooms was a 24-seat parlor lounge Observation.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN PANTRY 4-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 40-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company March 1935 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

550, 101

In October 1935 the CB&Q received an articulated four-car train set the MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR. Each of the four articulated units that comprised the train were numbered and named. The names reflected characters from MARK TWAIN novels. The shovelnose cab unit 9903 *** JOE featured the engineers compartment, engine room, 30’Railway Post Office Compartment and 15’Baggage compartment. The second articulated car 506 BECKY THATCHER was a 64’full baggage car. Car 531 HUCKLEBERRY FINN featured a kitchen and pantry followed by the cars entry next came a 16-seat dinette and 20-revenue seat coach compartment. The last car 572 TOM SAWYER provided 40-revenue seat coach compartment the cars center entrance and a 16- seat parlor lounge Observation. The four-car train was assigned to a daily round trip between St. Louis and Burlington, Iowa.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN-PANTRY 16-SEAT DINETTE 20-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company October 1935 (Built for and assigned to MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR)

551 HUCKLEBERRY FINN

In October 1936 the CB&Q received two ten-car streamliners for service as the DENVER ZEPHYRS. Each of these trains was powered by an A-B set of Shovelnose diesels with 1,800 hp in the Cab unit and 1,200 hp in the booster unit. The trains were comprised of articulated and single cars with one set of three articulated cars and two pairs of articulated cars the remaining three were all single cars. The second car in each consist was a Baggage 12-crew dormitory Bar 34-seat cocktail lounge car either 980 SILVER LINING or 981 SILVER BAR. The here car articulated set comprised two coaches and the third unit was a 40-seat dining car either 152-SILVER GRILL or 153 SILVER SERVICE. The last car in each DENVER ZEPHYR offered 10-seat parlor, desk, and 1-booth seating four, buffet 1-booth seating four and the lounge observation seated 22. These two cars were numbered and named 230 SILVER FLASH and 231 SILVER STREAK.

BAGGAGE 12-CREW DORMITORY BAR 34 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

980 SILVER LINING

981 SILVER BAR

ARTICULATED 64-REVENUE SEAT COACH ARTICULATED 38-REVENUE SEAT COACH ARTICULATED 40-SEAT DINING CAR SET Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4631 SILVER CITY
4632 SILVER LAKE
152 SILVER GRILL

4633 SILVER SPRUCE
4634 SILVER PLUME
153 SILVER SERVICE

10-SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 8-SEAT CARD AREA 22-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

230 SILVER FLASH

231 SILVER STREAK

Less than two months later in December 1936 the CB&Q received two six-car articulated trains to replace the earlier TWIN ZEPHYRS. A single 1,800 hp shovelnose diesel unit, the last of their kind purchased by the railroad, powered each of these fully articulated trains. These two trains were named the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES. Each train set operated a round trip daily between Chicago and the Twin Cities. The first articulated car in each consist was an Auxiliary power, Baggage Bar 34-seat cocktail lounge car 960-VENUS or 961 APOLLO. The fourth articulated car in each consist was a 32-seat dining car 150-CERES or 151-VULCAN. The last articulated car in each consist 24-revenue parlor seats 10-seat lounge observation 225JUNO or 226 JUPITER.

ARTICULATED AUXILIARY POWER 10’ BAGGAGE BAR 34-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

960 VENUS

961 APOLLO

ARTICULATED 32-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

150 CERES

151 VULCAN

ARTICULATED 24-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 10-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

225 JUNO

226 JUPITER

In June 1938 the CB&Q received a single articulated car to be added to the PIONEER ZEPHYR number 500. This car was trainlined third in the train with the trains observation articulated to the rear. This car featured a Kitchen-Pantry 16-seat Dinette 24-revenue coach seats. The 505 thereafter operated as a baggage car only after that time with the Buffet and coach seating removed. The windows remained but the interior was stripped.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN-PANTRY 16-SEAT DINETTE 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1938 (Built for and assigned to PIONEER ZEPHYR)

500

In August 1937 Budd delivered two additional articulated cars to increase the capacity of the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES. One car was added to each consist with 4850 PSYCHE going to the TRAIN OF THE GODS and 4851 CUPID being added to the TRAIN OF THE GODS. Each of these cars featured 40-revenue coach seats and 16-seat dining area. These cars were trainlined just ahead of dining cars 150 CERES and 151 VULCAN with their kitchens serving the dining areas in 4850 PSYCHE and 4851 CUPID.

ARTICULATED 40-SEAT COACH 16-SEAT DINETTES Budd Company August 1937 (Built for and added to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4850 PSYCHE

4851 CUPID

In May 1938 the CB&Q received two 87’cars to be added one per consist to the DENVER ZEPHYRS. These cars featured a 16-seat dinette at one end a buffet next and 48-revenue coach seats. The two cars 4852 SILVER BEAM and 4853 SILVER BELL were trainlined directly behind the DENVER ZEPHYR Auxiliary power, Crew Dormitory, Bar Cocktail lounge cars.

16-SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 48-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company May 1938 (Built for and added to the DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4852 SILVER BEAM

4853 SILVER BELL

All future streamlined cars would be constructed to full streamlined car dimensions and there would be no further articulated cars built for the CB&Q.
In May 1938 the CB&Q received three dining cars from Budd with a most unusual seating arrangement of regular tables seating 24 and seating with backs to the windows that seated an additional 15. This gave these cars a 39-seat total in the same space that an all dining table arrangement would have seated 48. All three were converted to 48-seat dining cars early in their CB&Q careers. These three cars were assigned to the heavyweight ARISTOCRATS between Chicago and Denver there only permanent assignment. It is believed they operated in the They were assigned to the TWIN ZEPHYRS before that train received its Vista Dome equipment in 1947. They became the substitute dining cars for whatever ZEPHYR needed one. All three were numbered and named with SILVER prefix names now standard naming practice for Budd built cars operated by the CB&Q.

39-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company May 1938 (Built for and assigned to ARISTOCRAT later assigned to General service)

190 SILVER PHEASANT

191 SILVER INN

192 SILVER SPOON

The next four lightweight streamlined dining cars delivered to the CB&Q were actually dining parlor observations. Two of these were delivered in 1939 one in March for the GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR between St. Louis and Kansas City round trip daily. This four –car train operated with the last shovelnose diesel built CB&Q 9908 SILVER CHARGER, a single 1,000 hp diesel occupied the forward part of the car body and a baggage compartment the rear half. The fourth car 301 SILVER STAR featured Kitchen-Pantry 24-seat dining 22-seat parlor observation.
The second of these cars delivered to the CB&Q in 1939 was 300 SILVER SPIRIT delivered in October. This car identical to the 301 SILVER STAR was assigned initially to the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR operating a daily round trip between Lincoln and Kansas City by way of Omaha and St. Joseph. This was a five-car train with a single 2,000 hp EMC E5A unit up front for power.

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Budd Company March 1939 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR)

301 SILVER STAR

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Budd Company October 1939 (Built for and assigned to SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR)

300 SILVER SPIRIT

The two remaining cars of the above type were delivered to the CB&Q in June 1940. Initially they were assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR. The names and numbers of this pair were 302 SILVER HOURS and 303 SILVER FOUNTAIN. The 302 SILVER HOURS operated for most of its service life bringing up the markers of the SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR between Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston round trip daily.

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company June 1940 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR)

302 SILVER HOURS

303 SILVER TRAYS

Except for cars built for the CB&Q subsidiaries FW&D and C&S this covers the prewar streamlined feature cars of the Burlington. For the information on the FW&D and C&S cars see those respective chapters.
Following WW II the CB&Q was anxious to complete the modernization of their passenger services with additional Budd built cars. The first train to receive completely new consists following the war were the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS of December 1947. Not only did these trains introduce the modern dome to the traveling public, but also they were among the finest day streamliners ever built.
The first car in each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR was a baggage buffet bar 33-seat lounge car 800 SILVER BUFFET or 801 SILVER SALON. These cars were delivered in December 1947 in time for the train’s inaugural.
The next two cars were the dining cars assigned to each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR they were not delivered by Budd until January 1948 and for the trains inaugural two of the pre-war streamlined 39-seat dining cars were substituted for about a month. The train’s dining cars were standard Budd 48-seat dining cars that would become standard from that company. As one entered the dining area from either the kitchen end of the car or the adjoining car they were greeted with a booth on either side of the center aisle with seating for four. Between these booths on either side of the center aisle were four standard dining tables with seating for four. The advantage of this type arrangement allowed the booths to seat passengers during off peak periods until dining space at the tables became available. Cocktails were usually served at these booths before lunch or dinner. During peak travel times the booths were set as regular dining space, sometimes all four booths or one at each end of the car depending on how many were expected for dinner. The two built for and assigned to the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS were 196 SILVER SALVER and 197 SILVER FEAST.

BAGGAGE BUFFET BAR 39-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company December 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

800 SILVER BUFFET

801 SILVER SALON

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company January 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

196 SILVER SALVER

197 SILVER FEAST

Probably one of the most famous postwar trains to enter service was the jointly owned and operated VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR operating between Chicago and Oakland pier. The CB&Q operated the trains between Chicago and Denver, the D&RGW operated the trains between Denver and Salt Lake City and the WP operated the trains between Salt Lake City and Oakland. These trains like the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS that preceded them carried five domes in each consist. There were three feature cars in each eleven-car VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR train set.
The fifth car in each consist was a Vista-Dome 19-seat coffee shop 7-seat lounge buffet 17-crew dormitory car with a 24-seat dome located above the Buffet –Lounge area. The dome seating was reserved for sleeping car passengers only and the buffet lounge coffee shop was open to all passengers but was most often the domain of the coach passengers.
The eighth car in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR consist was a 48-seat dining car nearly identical to those built for the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.
The eleventh and final car in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR the observation was the piece-de-resistance. This car provided three double bedrooms one drawing room forward of the dome. Beneath the dome was a Bar and 12-seat lounge. On the main level to the rear of the dome was a lounge with seating for 18 in the observation. The dome featured the usual 24-seats. Obviously these cars were reserved for the first class trade.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP BUFFET 7-SEAT LOUNGE 17-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company October –November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

250 SILVER CLUB

251 SILVER LOUNGE

252 SILVER ROUNDUP

D&RGW

1140 SILVER SHOP

WP

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

193 SILVER CAFÉ

194 SILVER DINER

195 SILVER RESTAURANT

D&RGW

1115 SILVER BANQUET

WP

841 SILVER PLATE

842 SILVER PLATTER

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT BUFFET LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1948-January 1949 Plan: 9511 Lot: 9659 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

375 SILVER HORIZON

376 SILVER PENTHOUSE

377 SILVER SOLARIUM

D&RGW


1145 SILVER SKY

WP

881 SILVER CRESCENT

882 SILVER PLANET

In December 1952 Budd delivered two Vista-Dome 24-revenue seat coach 3 –Crew Dormitory Buffet 6-seat Lounge 17-seat Coffee shop cars 320 SILVER GARDEN and 321 SILVER PATIO, for operation in the new KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR and AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR.
Three 48-seat dining cars were delivered by Budd in October-November 1952 198 SILVER CUISINE, 199 SILVER INN and 200 SILVER MANOR. Two of these cars 199 SILVER INN and 200 SILVER MANOR were assigned to the KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR while the third 198 SILVER CUISINE was assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool. Dining car 199 SILVER INN was the second Budd built dining car to carry this name the 1938 built car was destroyed in a wreck in 1946.
Also in December 1952 a single Vista-Dome 3-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Bar 12-Seat Buffet 18-Seat Lounge Observation was delivered to the CB&Q for the AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool of cars.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 6-SEAT LOUNGE 17-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company December 1952 (Built for and assigned to AMERICAN ROYAL-KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS)

320 SILVER GARDEN

321 SILVER PATIO

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company October – November 1952 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool and KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR)

AK-SAR-BEN – CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR

198 SILVER CUISINE

KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR

199 SILVER INN

200 SILVER MANOR

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR BUFFET 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1952 Plan: 9533 Lot: 9659-112 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool)

378 SILVER LOOKOUT

The CB&Q would have the distinction of introducing the last new long distance full service trains in the United States prior to Amtrak. The new trains inaugurated October 28, 1956 were the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS replacements for the streamlined 1936 trains. Each new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR normally operated with fourteen cars. The 1956 DENVER ZEPHYRS were quite different than the 1936 DENVER ZEPHYR trains in that they carried cars not only between Chicago and Denver but each day four cars continued beyond Denver on the rear of the westbound D&RGW ROYAL GORGE to Colorado Springs. The same four cars after servicing and washing returned to Denver that same afternoon on the rear of the eastbound D&RGW ROYAL GORGE and continued on to Chicago in the DENVER ZEPHYR. Each of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR train sets carried three feature cars. There was a Vista-Dome 15-crew dormitory 8-seat lunch counter 4-seat lounge 19-seat Coffee shop car in each consist that operated as a through car between Chicago and Colorado Springs providing breakfast service between Denver and Colorado Springs each morning, and full meal and lounge service between Denver and Chicago in each direction. The two cars built for the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains were 253 SILVER CUP and 254 SILVER KETTLE.
The two 48-seat Dining cars built for the VISTA DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were 201 SILVER CHEF and 202 SILVER TUREEN.
The remaining pair of feature cars assigned was for the use of first class passenger only. These were the Vista-Dome 11-seat parlor 5-seat parlor drawing room Bar 12-seat cocktail lounge 13-seat lounge observations 235 SILVER CHATEAU and 236 SILVER VERANDA. The DENVER ZEPHYRS provided Parlor car service between Chicago and Omaha westbound and Denver and Lincoln eastbound. They were one of the few trains that provided sleeping car accommodation and parlor car seating in the same trains.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 15-CREW DORMITORY 8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET SEAT LOUNGE 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

253 SILVER CUP

254 SILVER KETTLE

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

201 SILVER CHEF

202 SILVER TUREEN

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 11-SEAT PARLOR 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 13-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company September 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

235 SILVER CHATEAU

236 SILVER VERANDA

Besides the Budd built cars delivered in stainless steel that have already been mentioned the CB&Q owned a number of other streamlined feature cars painted for parents GN and NP streamliners. The CB&Q operated the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED and GN EMPIRE BUILDER and WESTERN STAR between Chicago and St. Paul. The cars owned by the CB&Q operated in those trains are covered in the GN and NP chapters.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

Hello Guyz!

Communicating from Brantford, Ontario, Canada via the marvels of hi-tech! [swg]

No way I'm going to provide anything more than a THANX to one and all for keeping the Thread "up on the page!" [tup][tup][tup]

Rob - Ted 'n I have just concluded our "getting to know you" session at a bar/restaurant in a small village known as St. George. Delightful place - great food - cold beer and lotsa good conversation! As "they say" - wish you were here! [tup]

Tomorrow we embark upon our steel wheels on steel rails Official Rendezvous Day!. It begins with a VIA Rail trip into Toronto's Union Station - then a round of travel experiences aboard Toronto's "GO Tranist" - subways 'n trolleys. Should be a blast!

Unfortunately the weather has been less than ideal. Lots of rain, poor visibility and rather chilly. However, nothing can or will dampen our enthusiasm for enjoying the sights 'n sounds of Toronto's rail offerings . . . . [tup]

Meeting these two guys - up close 'n personal - is indeed "something else!" Ted is as genuine an "article" as any guy could be and Rob is every bit "himself" in person as he is at the bar! Sez a lot, eh[?] You bet!

Appreciate all of the efforts put forth by one and all - especially those who took the time to Post over on "my other Thread!!" [tup][tup][tup]

Good to have you back with us, Al and we "toasted" you tonight - I know it is a "bittersweet' thing - but there will be another time!

Cindy you're a sweetheart for pitching in . . . and I thank you Boris 'n Leon for keeping the place runnin' . . . [tup][tup][tup]

See y'all tomorrow night . . .

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

HAPPY 13th MONTH ANNIVERSARY to "Our" Place!!!"


Good Morning Gents!

A cloudy, but dry day - so far! Rendezvous in Toronto begins this day with the boarding of VIA Rail at 9 AM (or thereabouts - thereaboots!)[swg]

Gonna be a GREAT DAY and wish you all were here . . . .

Catch y'all tonite . . . [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Wow! Even on official "Our Place" business, Tom finds the time to post! Hope you guys have a terrific time, and I sure wish I could be with you. I'll just be making my own breakfast around here this morning. Don't worry, the Mentor Bakery made its usual morning delivery without any hitches.

Here's a little something to read with your morning coffee:

Streetcar Riot by Stephen D. Maguire – August 1975 Railroad Magazine

Muskegon Traction & Lighting Co. fare-raise riot at intersection of Western Ave. and Pine St., Muskegon, Mich., August 5, 1919. Trolleys 41, 49, 63, and 83 are scrambled.


One of the most unusual events in streetcar history occurred in Muskegon, Michigan early in August 1919, the Muskegon Traction and Lighting Co., that operated the local trolley system, announced a raise in fare from six to seven cents.

Normally such an announcement would have been greeted by nothing worse than verbal protests. But on the cool, rainy evening of August 4th, when the fare had gone up one cent, a mob of about 1,000 people unexpectedly swooped down on the car barn at Franklin and Michigan streets, and, with the yards and streets packed with onlookers, systematically wrecked streetcars. They violently pushed a few over, drove some into each other, and burned at least one.

Of the 30 cars in service and stored at the barn, 12 were destroyed others damaged, on that night between 10 p.m. and 3 a.m., when the city officials finally restored order. But even then the downtown area was a shambles, with the damaged and toppled trolleys blocking the street. At least one death was recorded. A 22-year old man jumped from a car, nearly severing a leg, and died three days later in a local hospital.

Nearly 20 persons were arrested after the incident and the supposed leader was charged under a new anti-Communist law. Only one of those originally arrested was acquitted. The others, charged with rioting, either pleaded guilty or were convicted by juries. The city officials became targets of special investigators appointed by Michigan’s attorney general. When the investigations ended, Governor Albert E. Sleeper found Muskegon Mayor John H. Moore and eight aldermen guilty of official misconduct and negligence of duty in their efforts to quell the riot. And all over a penny fare increase!

The city saw its first streetcar line built in 1882 as the Muskegon Street Railway Co., with eight horsecars, 30 horses, and a capital investment of $30,000. Electric service, instituted in 1889, was primarily a city operation but later there were short extensions to neighboring Bluffton, Lake Michigan, and Mona Lake.

Nearly ten years after the riots, Muskegon trolley service ended on October 19, 1929. A last-minute effort to allow the public to take over and operate the system was made in September, a month before, but defeated at the polls by a 5 to 1 vote. The facts came from an article by Tom Younkman in the Muskegon Chronicle.

Looking east on Western Ave. below Pine St. shows MT&L 27 on side jammed into 83 in center. Car 63 is on right. Note International Harvester truck, horse and wagon, and Model T car. Photographs from Lawrence M. Carlson collection.


[:I] Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off.
And also, help me to be careful of the toes I step on today, as they may be connected to the***that I may have to kiss tomorrow.
Help me to always give 100% at work: 12% on Monday, 23% on Tuesday, 40% on Wednesday, 20% on Thursday, 5% on Friday.
And help me to remember: When I'm having a really bad day, and it seems that people are trying to **** me off, that it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to extend my middle finger and tell them to bite me. [:I]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning to Doug and whoever else is at the bar this AM. Time for a coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Bakery.

Happy to hear the rendevous is going great inspite of Mother Nature.

As soon as my Dr. will let me I hope to be following in your footsteps to Toronto.

Guess we should have some train information this AM.

Since the leader is in Toronto we should have something Canadian.

CANADIAN
PACIFIC
(CPR)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

The Canadian Pacific operated a number of lightweight streamlined dining and lounge cars. Many were built in the CP Montreal shops from frames supplied by National Steel Car Company Ltd. The CPR built four streamlined trains in 1936 for high-speed service in Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec powered by new 4-4-4 streamlined “Jubilee” locomotives. Each four-car train was identical a Baggage-Buffet-8-seat Dinette 20-seat Coach provided the food and beverage service on these trains. The total seating capacity of the trains was 100. The two train sets operated in Quebec ran between Montreal – Quebec City as the WINDSOR and FRONTENAC. The train between Toronto and Detroit was named the ROYAL YORK. The western train was named the CHINOOK operating round trip daily between Calgary and Edmonton. Car numbers 3051 and 3052 were retired in 1967 and rebuilt for Maintenance of Way service. The 3051 was sold to the National Museum of Science and Technology where it is displayed today.
Car numbers 3050 and 3053 were retired from service in 1969 and sold for scrap.

25’ BAGGAGE BUFFET 8-SEAT DINETTE 20-SEAT COACHES CPR Shops August – September 1936 (Built for assignment to the CHINOOK FRONTENAC ROYAL YORK WINDSOR)

3050 – 3053

In June 1938 an additional streamlined car was built for one of he trains the ROYAL YORK. This car was a Buffet 17-seat Lounge 22-seat Parlor Observation car. The observation end of this car was blunt ad equipped with a diaphragm at both ends. There were windows on either side of the diaphragm of the end of the car operated as the observation end. In 1968 the 6630 was sold to the QNS&L with no change of number or paint scheme.

BUFFET 17-SEAT LOUNGE 22-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION CPR Shops June 1938 (Built for and assigned to ROYAL YORK)

6630

Between September 1947 and March 1949 CPR Montreal shops constructed ninety-nine 68-seat coaches divided into smoking and non-smoking sections the smoking section seating 24 and the non-smoking section seating 44. The cars were numbered 2200 – 2298, the reason they are mentioned here is that three of these cars 2289 –2291 were rebuilt in 1958 to 40-seat Parlor cars renumbered 6600 – 6602 arranged with two and one seating and were equipped with an airline style galley for food service at passengers seats. The cars were assigned to the pool trains between Montreal and Toronto operated jointly with the CNR.
In 1953 the CPR decided to streamline their transcontinental services with two train’s one new fully streamlined train the CANADIAN the other train named the DOMINION would be partially equipped with new streamlined cars and heavyweights in combination.
Each streamlined CANADIAN was assigned three feature cars per consist and the DOMINION was likewise equipped with the new cars built by Budd with Canadian content such as trucks and other items in the cars construction. In order to equip the two transcontinental streamliners the CPR ordered a total of 54 feature cars from Budd to equip the CANADIAN, DOMINION and ATLANTIC LIMITED with spares held in reserve. There were three types of feature cars the SKYLINE DOME car was a multi-purpose car with 26 coach seats forward of the dome on the main level, beneath the dome was a kitchen and six seat dinette, on the main level aft of the dome was a Buffet area with seating for 23 where meals and beverages were consumed by coach passengers of the CANADIAN and DOMINION. Those SKYLINE Dome cars assigned to the ATLANTIC LIMITED served both the coach and sleeping car passengers of that train as the SKYLINE Dome was the only food and beverage car in the consists. The standard 24-seat dome was for coach passengers of the CANADIAN and DOMINION. Each consist carried a single SKYLINE Dome car. The cars all carried the name SKLINE on there flanks and were numbered 500 – 517 All SKYLINE Dome cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada ownership.

24-SEAT DOME 26-SEAT COACH KITCHEN 6-SEAT DINETTE 23-SEAT BUFFET CARS Budd Company 1954 – 1955 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION – ATLANTIC LIMITED)

500 – 517

There were eighteen 48-seat dining cars built for the CANADIAN, DOMINION and pool service trains between Montreal and Toronto. They were assigned one per consist to each of the trains. The CANADIAN and DOMINION operated with two Dining room crews in their transcontinental trips. One crew operated between Montreal and Winnipeg the other between Winnipeg and Vancouver. This practice is continued today in VIA Rail Canada service. The new 48 seat dining cars were named only assigned names of Canadian Pacific Hotel Dining Rooms and Lounges.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company 1954 – 1955 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION)

ACADIAN

ALEXANDRA

ALHAMBRA

ANNAPOLIS

CARTIER

CHAMPLAIN

EMERALD

EMPRESS

FAIRHOLME

FRONTENAC

IMPERIAL

KENT

LOUISE

PALLISER

PRINCESS

SELKIRK

WASCANA

YORK

The most talked about car in the CANADIAN and DOMINION trains were the PARK series Dome –Sleeper Lounge Observation cars. These cars were the perfect ending to any streamliner. Almost identical to those built for the CB&Q-D&RGW-WP CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR America’s cruise train, it was only fitting that Canada’s cruise train the CANADIAN have similar cars carrying the tail signs. These eighteen cars built for the CANADIAN and Dominion carried names only. The names selected were the names of Provincial and National Parks thus the reason the cars were always referred to as the Park cars. The interiors of these cars were floor planned with 3-double bedrooms 1-Drawing Room on the main level forward of the dome on the main level. Beneath the dome was a bar and 12-seat cocktail lounge, to the rear once again on the main level was a 14-seat Lounge Observation. The Dome level seated the usual 24 ad the PARK cars were for the exclusive use of sleeping car passengers. Of the eighteen built seventeen all but YOHO PARK that was destroyed in an accident went to VIA Rail Canada. Next to the car names below is the province where the park is located.

24-SEAT DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM 12-SEAT LOUNGE BAR 14-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company 1954-55 (Built for and assigned to CANADIAN – DOMINION)

ALGONQUIN PARK – ONTARIO

ASSINIBOINE PARK – B. C.

BANFF PARK – ALBERTA

EVANGELINE PARK – N. S.

FUNDY PARK – N. B.

GLACIER PARK – B. C.

KOKANEE PARK – B. C.

KOOTENAY PARK – B. C.

LAURENTIDE PARK – QUEBEC

PRINCE ALBERT PARK – SASK.

REVELSTOKE PARK – B. C.

RIDING MOUNTAIN PARK – MANITOBA

SIBLEY PARK – ONTARIO

STRATHCONA PARK – B. C.

TREMBLANT PARK – QUEBEC

TWEEDSMUIR PARK – B. C.

WATERTON PARK – ALBERTA

YOHO PARK – B. C.

All CPR Budd built cars surviving went to VIA Rail Canada ownership when the Canadian Government took over national passenger services.

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Good morning folks. Just thought that I would pop in for a quike OJ and #3 before I head out and nab Tom and Ted and head down onto the trainstation.Looks like the weather is going to cooperate today which is a [tup] thing for sure. Like Tom said wish you all were here.

Doug Great article, I do hate seeing streetcars on their roofs like that though.[:(] I'm glad that people don't react to fair increases like thta anymore [:O]

Al' Great to see you back in the saddle sir [tup]. I can't think of a more appropriate streamliner for this morning [tup]


Well folks time to skeedaddle.

Rob

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Glad to see that folks made it to Toronto. I, too, would like to be there, but....................

Pete – There is still some station switching done here, but most of it is by Amtrak..

Barndad – Thanks for the CB&Q material. The piece abt. the streetcar riot was a good one – I’m surprised they haven’t thought of that in Boston.

Al – Again, thanks so much for sharing car-related material.

Herewith a little something from the notebooks.

In the smoky West Virginia air stood a small group of people on the platform at the brick railroad station waiting for the New York train. Their talk was typical of any mountain town; the women discussing children, families, birth and death; and the men hunting, fishing and the latest gossip from up and down the river. These were hard working people; black and white, tied together for a short time by the common bond of waiting for the New York train.

Obediently following its four locomotives, a 90-car coal train swung off the branch line west of the station and clumped by the building. Three more engines were on the rear with the caboose tucked in behind them. The train pulled off the main line and onto the yard lead only to be passed by another coal train on the main. The second train was an interdivisional or “ID” coal train pulled by four diesels. Smoke billowed up from the tops of the engines and sand poured down as they tried to keep their footing on the rails while pulling the heavy train.

Inside, the ticket agent sold a last coach ticket for Washington, slid the ticket window shut, and made sure the office was locked before lighting another cigarette and going outside to drag the heavy baggage wagon, its iron wheels clanking, down to the east end of the cracked concrete platform.

A sharp-eared passenger heard a locomotive blowing for the tunnel west of the station and said, “Here it comes.” Another blast from the horn and the train surged out of the tunnel, roared past the station and braked to a noisy screeching halt. Here, clearly, was an engineer who liked to bring it in fast and hit the mark as he stopped. The car doors opened and a handful of passengers climbed down while others boarded. Up front, the agent handed suitcases and boxes into the baggage car’s gaping doors. The baggage handler passed a few suitcases and boxes down to the ticket agent along with a manila envelope stamped “R.R.B.” This was company mail. The conductor stood impatiently by the open coach door, waiting for the two men to fini***heir work. They were done. The conductor flipped a highball signal to the engineer; two blasts on the horn, the “sough” of releasing brakes, and the train was rolling again, continuing its journey east.

Work safe

[Anonymous]

Thank you for thinking of me, Tom! I did locate an issue, and will have it mailed to me next week! MUCH appreciated!

A name, eh? Heck, help yourself. Michaelson is my 'web' identity anyway at several forums, so an 'alias' to my 'alias' is as convoluted as anything else that goes on in the wonderful world of the www, I'd say.[(-D]

Next time you pass through, you'll have to stop by the distillery again. They've built a brand new visitors center, and it's a nice place to go to just get off the 'big road' for a while. It was a great place to take the kids back in the day as everything was free, and it got them out of the house for a while. (grins)

Regards! Michaelson....er....Jack....what ever. (grins)

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon all.Time for a CR and a round for the house. Since I gave the CP dining and lounge cars preference this AM I guess I should do the same for the CN this Afternoon.

CANADIAN
NATIONAL
(CNR)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al


In 1954 the Canadian National received new streamlined cars from Pullman Standard, National Steel Car Co. Ltd. and Canadian Car & Foundry Ltd. The orders were among the largest orders placed for streamlined equipment. From National Steel Car came new head end cars to equip the new passenger trains soon to enter service. From Canadian Car & Foundry 212 new 80-seat coaches’ one of the largest orders for one type car ever ordered. The remaining streamlined car types were built by Pullman Standard for services the length and breadth of Canada. Many interior appointments of the Pullman Standard cars were added to the cars after delivery to Canadian National in the railroads own shops.
In May 1954 eight 2-Compartment 2-Double Bedroom Buffet 29-seat Lounge cars were delivered for operation in the OCEAN LIMITED, INTERNATIONAL LIMITED and overnight Toronto – Montreal services. All eight CAPE series car were transferred to VIA Rail Canada in March 1978.

2-COMPARTMENT 2-DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 29-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May 1954 Plan: 4189A Lot: 6928 (Built for and assigned to OCEAN LIMITED – INTERNATIONAL LIMITED – CAVALIER)

1082 CAPE ROSIER

1083 CAPE BRULE

1084 CAPE PORCUPINE

1085 CAPE RACE

1086 CAPE CANSO

1087 CAPE BRETON

1088 CAPE CHIGNECTO

1089 CAPE TORMENTINE

Four “WHITE” series cars with 8 Sections 1 Double Bedroom 16-seat Dinette and Kitchen were delivered in June 1954. These cars were built for service in the new SUPER CONTINENTAL between Capreol and Winnipeg through the remote territory of northern Ontario the railroad passed through. The 1010 WHITE ROCK was rebuilt to a club car with seating for 38 and an airline style galley was installed for the first class passengers. The car was renumbered and renamed after rebuilding in May 1964 receiving the new number 663 and name CLUB DE LA GARNISON. A similar rebuilding took place to 1011 WHITE RAPIDS in July 1964 and the new name and number 662 CLUB LAURIER was applied. The other two cars 1012 WHITE OAK and 1013 WHITE SANDS were renumbered only 1358 and 1357 in that order in July 1964. All four cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada ownership in March 1978.

8-SECTION 1-DOUBLE BEDROOM 16-SEAT DINETTE KITCHEN CARS Pullman Standard June 1954 Plan: 4188 Lot: 6927 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CONTINENTAL across Northern Ontario)

1010 WHITE ROCK

1011 WHITE RAPIDS

1012 WHITE OAK

1013 WHITE SANDS

Nine Kitchen 16-Seat Dinette 20-seat Parlor Cars were also part of the huge Pullman Standard order and were delivered in July 1954. These cars were built for services between Halifax – Sydney, St. John – Cape Tormentine, Toronto – Niagara Falls, Winnipeg – Saskatoon and Winnipeg and Port Arthur. Instead the cars operated between Toronto – Sarnia, Toronto – Windsor, Montreal – Ottawa and Montreal – Quebec City. All nine cars transferred to VIA Rail Canada service in March 1978. Originally numbered 900 to 908 the cars were renumbered 1360 – 1368 between April and June 1965.

KITCHEN 16-SEAT DINETTE 20-SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard May 1954 Plan: 7638 Lot: 6929 (Built for and assigned to various services)

900 FRANCOISE LAKE

901 BABINE LAKE

902 BEAVERHILL LAKE

903 MOOSE LAKE

904 SEVERN LAKE

905 RADIANT LAKE

906 GRAND LAKE

907 BRAS D’OR LAKE

908 LUSTER LAKE

Pullman Standard delivered a very large lot consisting of fourteen dining cars to the CN in August 1954, these cars were configured as 40-seat dining cars but many later were converted to full 48-seat dining cars. The conversion was simply a matter of replacing four tables for two with four tables for four and the addition of eight dining chairs. The CN initially assigned these cars to the SUPER CONTINENTAL and OCEAN LIMITED. In later years these cars could be found operating in any train as all streamlined dining cars were pooled. The cars were numbered 1337 – 1350 and all were transferred to VIA Rail Canada in March 1978 except for 1345 that was wrecked retired and scrapped in June 1975.

40-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard August 1954 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CONTINENTAL – OCEAN LIMITED)

1337 - 1350


There were six 26-seat Lunch Counter 6-crew dormitory cars delivered by Pullman Standard in September 1954. The CN referred to these cars as dinettes and all carried numbers 425 – 430. Initially the cars were assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Montreal and Winnipeg and to pool train service between Toronto and Montreal. All six cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada in March 1978.

6-CREW DORMITORY 26-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER CARS Pullman Standard September 1954 (Built for and assigned to SUPER CONTINENTAL)

425 – 430

In 1965 Canadian National in anticipation of the coming EXPO 67 realized there would be a shortage of Dining cars especially if two sections of certain trains were operated.
The easiest solution to this shortage was to rebuild ten of their 60-revenue seat coaches built by Canadian Car & Foundry dating from April 1947 into 48-seat dining cars. This was undertaken in the railroads Montreal shops and ten dining cars were completed during the year. They were numbered 1369-1378 after rebuilding were assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL and PANORAMA pool of cars operating between Montreal and Vancouver. These ten cars except for 1373 were all transferred to VIA Rail Canada. Dining car 1373 was destroyed by fire in 1971 retired and scrapped.

CN 1369 originally CN 5384

CN 1370 originally CN 5385

CN 1371 originally CN 5387

CN 1372 originally CN 5391

CN 1373 originally CN 5392

CN 1374 originally CN 5397

CN 1375 originally CN 5398

CN 1376 originally CN 5401

CN 1377 originally CN 5408

CN 1378 originally CN 5410

Beginning in August 1967 the Canadian National introduced new Tempo trains to southwest Ontario services. The new trains were the first HEP powered trains to enter Canadian service. Hawker Siddeley Canada Ltd constructed the cars at their Thunder Bay plant. These cars were Aluminum and carried the brushed aluminum finish with black accents. Service was provided from Toronto by two routes to London, Ont. Where the routes joined but only briefly until they split once again with one line going to Sarnia the other to Windsor. The Tempo trains were powered by 1,800 hp MLW RS-18 Road Switchers painted in a gray and orange scheme. A Cummins HEP package was installed in the short hood to provide the train’s hotel power.
Originally their were five 39-seat Club cars (Parlor cars) equipped with Airline style galleys to provide food and beverage service at the club car seats, seating was paired seats on one side of the aisle and single seats on the other. These five cars were numbered 320-324. In 1967 car 320 was remodeled to an 80-seat Coach and renumbered 375. Two years later in 1969 car 324 was remodeled to a 52-revenue seat coach and retained its galley with no change of number. This car provided a semi first class service between Toronto and London for a fare less than club but higher than regular coach. In 1974 the car was shopped once again and converted to an 80-seat coach and renumbered 376.
Also in August 1967 there were five 16-revenue seat coach snack bar 26-seat lounge cars delivered for TEMPO service with numbers 340-344. In 1969 car 341 was remodeled with 24-revenue coach seats. It retained the snack bar and 26-seat lounge. Passengers could purchase snacks and return to their seats with their purchases to consume those purchases using a pull down tray from the seat ahead. The beverage lounge was separated from the rest of the one end of the car by a corridor down one side, this kept minors out of the beverage lounge area.

TTFN Al

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A quick pint of Bathams while I take a break from the work on the house please LEON.

Glad you are having a great time TOM TED and ROB and today looks full of good things going on. Is it really a month since the 1st year birthday bash.

Some great posts today with DOUGS almost unbelievable article on the streetcar riot over a cent rise in fares.
Thanks CM3 for the Amtrak switching info. and for the great piece from the notebook,
a station scene which happened every day but described as to make it feel as you were there. A true talent.[bow].

AL I hope it is not too long before you are able to go to Toronto. Many thanks for the CP and CN Streamline cars posts [tup] It was good to read the details of the 'Park" cars on the Canadian as shown in Tom's pics of the CAN-AM.

Well I am being yelled at to get back to work. At least there was time to read the posts so I hope I can call in later PETE.