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[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a Steak for later please. Your fish 'n' chips last night were delicious [yeah][tup].

MIKE Great Links again[tup]. Very interesting info on the railway guage. It could have been a lot different if I.K. Brunels Great Western Broad Guage of 7 ft-01/4 inch had won the Goverment's guage inquirery. The reason for the 1/4 inch is, it is said, when the first broad guage loco was delivered the distance between the wheel flanges was 7 ft.

Although N. America adopted the English guage it seems that the RRs (and roads) drove on the right. I have often wondered why that is. Is is said that England being on the left is from the Romans also as it is said they marched on the left side of the road, but in continental Europe they drive on the right. [%-)].

TED I think you enjoyed Tom's book as I did. The author certainly was lucky to be able to travel the world in persuit of his hobby.Given the funds I could probably make the same journey but I know the photos I took would be no where as good.[sigh].
Thanks for the kind words on my posts[tup]

Al Enjoyed your post this AM not rambling at all but I'll gladly have a round with you[^].

CM3 Looking forward to reading about the Metroliners. It seems TOM and BK also have memories of riding them. Your slide collction must have some real gems in it.

BK That Trains book is a bit special. I will have to bring over C. Gifford's Decline Of Steam photo album, it was published in the mid-60s and showed the last years of British steam. The photos are in black and white and capture very well the atmosphere of a steam railway. Good photo of the E7A[tup].

LARS Good to see you and another round[^]. Good words for BK which I fully agree with and a great Seaboard photo, I make it 7 locos on that train[wow]

TOM Thanks for the 'Slinky" link info, I have seen them in the UK but I cannot think what they are called there.
I was reading a while back about the NOME sled race in Alaska,which must be a marvellous sight to see, which told of one competetor whose Huskies took off as he was hitching them to the sled by the time he got them back his chance of winning had gone, they are a great breed [yeah].

It is very[:(] about the loss of local teams. The Mavericks baseball team are not playing this year. We went over to Columbia Mo a few times last year to see them and had a great time. In one game if the oppositions star batter was struck out it was a buck a beer, this happened twice causing quite a stampede and it was two strikes down near the end when he got a lucky hit(as the bar had shut by this time and I dont know what would have happened if he had struck out [:-,]).There is talk of a stadium being built for the Mavericks to play in[^].

Thanks for the E-Mail with the book reviews[tup].

Youre right about the UFO sightings perhaps the [alien] are camera shy[:)].

Well I've had a round off AL BK and LARS so I had better get one in for all. PETE.

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and all. I'll have the usual bottomless draught and pick-up a round for the house. I found some Michigan quarters in the bottom of one of the boxes I'm moving, so feel free to feed them to the coal scuttle.

Sorry about not being around, but there's been no time to do it, as you know. Every time I sit down for a bit, I get real sleepy. I have have no idea why. Anyhow, enough for the excuses, and I will get my reading here caught-up and make a contribution later tonight. I will mention something about the sheep URL that Mike posted. Here's a picture of the sheep living at the farmhouse we're moving into:


So cartoons are better than jokes? Well ...... maybe


Be back later!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Love that cartoon from Doug! The sheep on the other hand look like lamb chops with legs! [swg]

I'd say you have every good reason to be tired, given the hectic stage of things in your life these days (daze!). It's when you get home and don't recall how you got there that may be a "tell tale" sign of time for concern! [swg]

Am I reading that Pete may follow-up with a "RR Book Relay, Part Deux!"[?] Sounds good to me! [tup]

There are some very humorous stories about Siberian Huskies on the web - they are a most intelligent and congenial breed of dog. Having lived with "Fred," our former best friend, for 14 of his 16 years, and now "Juneau" for nearly 3 years - I have more than anecdotal information to base my comments on. Extremely "questionable" regarding authority - very "conversant" (as in "talking back") and rather "insistent" on having things their way. Lots of fun, these Huskies.

Pete More on the sports teams: Another aspect of it all is called "expendable dollars" or "discretionary spending" by those paying for the tickets. Some areas, St. Louis being one, enjoy the presence of major league teams (Cardinals - Rams & Blues) whereas others, like Columbia have only a minor league baseball team. The latter stands a much better chance at survival than would similar teams in major league areas (exceptions: the mega cities like New York - Los Angeles & Chicago). That factor has played heavily into the situation encountered by the hockey team here that just folded their tent. The arena they played at is just a stone's throw from a riverside gambling casino. Say no more, eh[?] Expendable dollars for all of us are getting fewer ' fewer, so it seems.

Thanx for the rounds & quarters! [tup]

Okay, Gents - catch y'all later!

REMINDER! Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Back again with a Pix . . . can't let the SAL momentum slip by without at least providing something . . . .

SAL EMD E4A #3002 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Nice, eh[?] [tup]


Okay - that's it for now!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening again Tom and White Sox fans! I’ll have another bottomless draught please, and kindly change the channel to the “good” game? Neat story on the SN line explorations from Dave the other day (expanded upon by CM3, and another great WP and AT&SF streamliner from Al. Glad you liked the cartoon Lars. Nice Warbonnet and SAL pictures Mr. BK! Hats off to Tom for the successful retain of his book, and for writing-up the participants’ comments, and the pretty pretty SAL loco pic!

Since you guys got a Santa Fe thing going (before the SAL) … maybe I can help keep it going too …..

Warbonnets in the ‘burg – Ron Hatch – Vintage Rail No. 14 1998


Galesburg, Illinois ,has always been a Burlington town. Students of the “Q” know that Galesburg was the junction of three of the four original roads that became the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad. By the mid-1880s, the Burlington was the city’s largest employer, with its sprawling yards, car shops, locomotive shops, roundhouses, and division headquarters. CB&Q controlled lines fanned out of town in sic directions.

Then came an intruder. In 1888, Santa Fe forged the final link in its transcontinental chain by building from Kansas City to Chicago. Galesburg made Santa Fe an offer it couldn’t refuse, so AT&SF came to town, sneaking through the north side of downtown along the banks of the Cedar Fork Creek.

The sandstone depot on North Broad Street has been witness to all the glory that was the mighty Atchinson, Topeka & Santa Fe, including the post-World War II boom years pictured here. Streamlined trains were still the way to travel, especially on one of the Chiefs pulled by those buxom Alco Pas. Never mind that across town the Burlington had more trains to Chicago to chose from; never mind that the Q had a slightly shorter route; never mind that a Zephyr would take a person to Union Station, rather than someplace called Dearborn; never mind all that. The Santa Fe had its own mystique, and that Warbonnet paint scheme on the point told one and all that this was a class act.

Fast forward 50 years. The Pas are long gone; the stately sandstone depot was replaced by a Butler building in 1965; the Santa Fe wed its cross-town rival in 1996 to become BNSF, and the one remaining train called Chief no longer calls at Broad Street Station, but instead keeps company with its Zephyr cousins at the BN/Amtrak Seminary Street Depot. However, if one stands by Cedar Fork, next to the double track main that still sees 30-50 trains a day, and watches the latest generation of Warbonnets – and pumpkins and MACs and blue-and-yellows and green machines – one will realize that Chico is not gone. He has matured into a proud warrior.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon I think I will have a Kokanee since it seems both BK and Lars are enjoyimng it, makes me glad yjay I brought in aa few cases for thier " test driving " [swg]

been a long day and a bit for me couple o 14 hour daze at the ole place of employment,just think in 20 more I can retire [:O][xx(]

An interesting last couple of dats here for sure,I'm glad that our first attempt at a guest bartender worked out well,thanks Lars for being the inital gunniea pig.

Tom Your ponderism's for the last couple of days have absolutley, been right on [tup] Thanks for the email of the book relay comments as well, seems all enjoyed the book.I have recieved your latest couple of emails as well, I will respond to them likley late saturday, as Saturday is the museums anual meeting or the anual screaming match as we lovingly refer to it [swg] at least this year the Sleeman's brewery from down the road in Guelph are going to be on hand, can't beat that fer sure fer sure [tup][:D][yeah]

Dave Thanks for the additional info on the SN, I do hope that you are able to expand upon it, as you have the inside track on that road as it were.

CM3 Thank-you too for your 2 cents on the SN as well. I enjoyed taking a gander at the urls you provided too. Sobering stuff from Port Chicago, eari;y similar to the Great halifax Explosion of 1917 when the amunition ship Mont Blanc blew up in the harbour and destroyed much of the lower city and killed close to 2000 residents.

Mike Your latest batch of web siyes were right on the button as per usual ! You seem to have become our local trivia guy now too. I loved the story on the why and when of why the standard guage occured. I never dreamed that tyhe origin of rail spacing would have dated back to Roman times, of coarse they did say that all roads lead to Rome, obviously they ment railroads as well. [swg][:D]

Al I'm glad to see that you are hitting your stride with being able to do more research and writing again. Nice to see the extra WP and Sante fe streamliners again as well. Just goes to show that when life deals you lemons make lemonaid. Good stuff [tup]

Pete Thanks for your kind words, I also am looking forward to your findings on British HEP, should be interesting fer sure ! Also good plan on satying on the Girls best side,mind you their cooking isn't all bad,I could have them come over to your place and cook and clean for while your wife is away,who knows they may find your lost honey do list [:O][swg]

Lars I'm a bit tired of all the JO posts out there too,way too much fluff and no substance out there, that's why here is where I stay, who needs the rest of that crapola.

BK I'm glad that you approve of Boris's handywork on the new stool restraint systems, proves that he is a jack or in his case a thing of all trades. Enjoyed your photo of the ATSF F unit & friends as well, you are becomming a regular passenger train affricinado, no doubt Sir Tom's influence [:D]

Ted Sooo are you excited yet, basically we are inside of two weeks now ! Hard to believe.We seem to have spawned some good returns on the SN and TS, I think that our love of things electric is rubbing off around here.[;)]

Doug Liked the SAL photo's and the comic strips, they don't even effect the oft broke groan-a-metre our repair bills have been down this week ! [swg]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! WITH A TWIST [:D]

Something new for Encore saturday. I would like to try and ebcore at least one example of why this thread is so successfull each week. So here's the enagural encore saturday post.I think that it's more than appropriate that the first speacial ebcore post from me is the work of our "Mentor" Capt Tom! Hopefully we all take time to pull up the best of the best over the saturday encore days from Our Places back pages. This gem came from page 268. Seems appropriate with all the recent talk or showing of SAL photo's in the last day or so.

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Now arriving on track #2 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Nine (in two parts)

Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

The Coast Line/Seaboard Railways – ACL – SAL – SCL


Part II of II


Seaboard Air Line Railroad



Locale: Florida - Virginia, United States

Reporting marks: SAL

Dates of operation: – 1967

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)


Headquarters: Richmond, VA


The Seaboard Air Line Railroad (AAR reporting mark SAL) was an American railroad that existed between the 1880s and 1967, when it merged with the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, its longtime rival, to form the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad. The company was headquartered in Richmond, Virginia.

History


1896 map with connections

The SAL main line, now mostly CSX's "S" Line, was built by the following companies:

• Richmond, Petersburg and Carolina Railroad, Richmond, Virginia to Norlina, North Carolina (the immediate predecessor of the SAL)
• Raleigh and Gaston Railroad, Norlina to Raleigh, North Carolina
• Raleigh and Augusta Air-Line Railroad, Raleigh to Hamlet, North Carolina
• Palmetto Railroad, Hamlet to Cheraw, South Carolina
• Chesterfield and Kershaw Railroad, Cheraw to Camden, South Carolina
• Predecessors of the Florida Central and Peninsular Railroad:
o South Bound Railroad, Camden to Savannah, Georgia
o Florida Central and Peninsular Railroad Northern Division, Savannah to Georgia/Florida state line
o Florida Northern Railroad, state line to Yulee, Florida
o Fernandina and Jacksonville Railroad, Yulee to Jacksonville, Florida
o Florida, Atlantic and Gulf Central Railroad, Jacksonville to Baldwin, Florida
o Florida Railroad, Baldwin (continuing north to Yulee) to Waldo, Florida
o Florida Transit and Peninsular Railroad Tampa Division, Waldo to Tampa, Florida

On July 1, 1967 the SAL merged with the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, its longtime rival, to form the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad.

Seaboard Coast Line Railroad



Locale: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia

Reporting marks: SCL

Dates of operation: 1967 – 1982

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)


Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL and Richmond, VA


The main lines of the ACL and SAL, now CSX's A and S lines.

The Seaboard Coast Line Railroad (AAR reporting mark SCL) was created July 1, 1967 as a result of the merger of the Seaboard Air Line Railroad with the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad (ACL). In 1982, The Seaboard Coast Line Railroad became Seaboard System Railroad as a result of a merger with the Louisville & Nashville Railroad (L&N). For some years prior to this, the SCL and L&N had been under the common ownership of a holding company, Seaboard Coast Line Industries (SCI), the company's railroad subsidiaries being collectively known as the Family Lines System which comprised of the L&N, SCL, Clinchfield and West Point Routes. After the 1980 merger of SCI with the Chessie System, the resulting CSX Corporation combined the Family Lines System units as the Seaboard System Railroad and later became CSX when the former Chessie units were merged into it in 1986.


Innovative SCL trains

Juice Train: a historic model of unit train competition

Juice Train is the popular name for famous unit trains of Tropicana fresh orange juice operated by railroads in the United States. In 1970, beginning on Seaboard Coast Line railroad, a mile-long Tropicana Juice Train train began carrying one million gallons of juice with one weekly round-trip from Bradenton, Florida to Kearny, New Jersey, in the New York City area.

Today operated by SCL successor CSX Transportation, CSX Juice Trains have been the focus of efficiency studies and awards as examples of how modern rail transportation can compete successfully against trucking and other modes to carry perishable products.

Auto-Train

The original Auto-Train operated on Seaboard Coast Line and Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac (RF&P) tracks. It was operated by Auto-Train Corporation, a privately-owned railroad which used its own rolling stock to provide a unique rail transportation service for both passengers and their automobiles in the United States, operating scheduled service between Lorton, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.) and Sanford, Florida, near Orlando.

The founder of Auto-Train Corporation was Eugene K. Garfield. His approach allowed families to relax en route and save the expense and unfamiliarity of a rental car on arrival. Passengers rode in either wide coach seats or private first-class sleeping compartments while their vehicles were safely carried in enclosed autoracks. The train included dining cars and meals were served.

The equipment of the Auto-Train Corporation was painted in red, white, and purple colors. The typical train was equipped with two or three General Electric U36B diesel-electric locomotives, 76' double-deck auto carriers, streamlined passenger cars, including coaches, dining cars, sleeper cars, and 85' full-dome cars, and a caboose, then an unusual sight on most passenger trains.

Auto-Train Corporation's first auto carriers were acquired used, and started life in the 1950s as a new innovation for Canadian National Railroad. The CN bi-level autorack cars had end-doors. They were huge by the standards of the time; each 75-footer could carry 8 vehicles. The cars were a big success and helped lead to the development of today's enclosed autoracks. The former CN autoracks were augmented by new tri-level versions in 1976.


auto carrier originally purchased by Auto-Train Corp. unloads from Amtrak's Auto Train in Lorton, VA in 2000. Photo courtesy of www.trainweb.com

Auto-Train Corporation's new service began operations on December 6, 1971 The service was a big hit with travelers. Before long, the ambitious entrepreneurs of Auto-Train were looking to expand into other markets. However, only the Lorton-Sanford service proved successful.

High crew costs, several spectacular accidents with the 58- to 64-car trains, and an unprofitable expansion to Louisville, Kentucky put Garfield's company into bankruptcy. Auto-Train Corporation was forced to end its services in late April, 1981.

Operating for almost 10 years, Auto-Train had developed a popular following, particularly among older travelers as it ferried passengers and their cars between Virginia and Florida.

However, no one else offered a service quite like that of Auto-Train: transport a car and its passengers together (on the same movement, at the same time) to and from vacation areas. In 1983, the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, better known as Amtrak, a federally-chartered corporation which operates most intercity passenger trains in the United States acquired Auto-Train Corporation terminals in Lorton and Sanford and some of the rolling stock, including the autoracks. Amtrak began its slightly-renamed Auto Train route service between Virginia and Florida on a 3 day per week basis after a 22 month gap, expanding it to daily trips the following year.

Today, Amtrak's Auto Train carries about 200,000 passengers and generates around $50 million in revenue annually. Operating on leased CSX Transportation tracks for the entire distance, it is considered Amtrak's best-paying train in terms of income in comparison with operating expenses.

History

The Western and Atlantic Railroad is famous for the Great Locomotive Chase, which took place on the W&A during the US Civil War in April 1862.

End of Part II of II


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Did you miss the previous eight[?] Click the URL:

#1: Baltimore & Ohio (B&O
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=233&TOPIC_ID=35270
#2: Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270
#3: Pennsylvania (PRR)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=237&TOPIC_ID=35270
#4: New York Central (NYC)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=240&TOPIC_ID=35270
#5: New Haven (NYNH&H)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=242&TOPIC_ID=35270
#6: Santa Fe (ATSF) (Two Parts)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270
#7: Southern Pacific (SP)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=253&TOPIC_ID=35270
#8: Northern Pacific (NP)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=259&TOPIC_ID=35270

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another encore from the past, this also from page 268 this time one of mine. Just to round out the mini theme of the SAL. I won't be able to put up as many greats from the past as I would like today due to the meeting at the museum. I hope everyone can jump in a bit today just to keep er rollling [tup]

See everyone hopefully later tonight.

Rob




Okay I'm back with some on theme info, a short synopsis of the Seaboards frieght ops.

CLASSIC DIESEL BARN # 9 SEABORD FRIEGHT OPS

Freight Service On The Seaboard

The Seaboard railroads position in the Southeast,allowed it to carry a wide variety of freight, it is of coarse best known for it's perishable fruit and produce trains between Florida and Georgia and the North. Carried on today by CSX. Despite the high profile hauling of perishables, the Seaboard carried more minerals than anything. Around 1950 approx. half of the Seaboards frieght traffic was mineral based, mostlyb phosphate, used for fertilizers ( and other things ) such as amunition and match maufactering. Alot of clay,iron ore , cement, and aggregates wwas also carried by the road, these loads also falling under the mineral category.

Next largest cargo type was durable manufactured goods, most of whick caame from the North. General mercjhandise accounted for approx 30 % of the freight moved by the SAL by mid-century. Forest products accounted for 15 % of their freight hauling which included pulpwood,paper,and pine tree stumps ( they actually had speacially designed gondolas for theae some still in use on the CSX ! ) used to make pine oil and turpintine.

The remaing 5 % was aggricultural loads, including grains, cotton products,and the perishables. The perishables accounted for half of the aggricultural loads , however the revnues from this service was important enough that the SAL held an intrest in the Fruit Growers Express, a consortium that operated a fleet of reefer cars, and refridgerated piggy back trailers.

In the 50's the SAL was one of the first other railroads to pick up the TOFC or Piggy Back trailer carrying system started by the Pennsey.By 1959 this mode of cargo handling became a huge hit with the SAL's customers,and they were operating a whole fleet of this type of trains.

As a sidenote the Seaboard was one of the few railroads that would name it's principal freight trains.Among the best known was the Merchandiser between Richmond and Miami,it was one of te few freights that held first calss operational status,putting it on par with passenger trains in the terms of priority handling. A Northbound conterpart was the Marketer , with a section out of Miami and one out of Tampa joining at Baldwin Florida . Other named freights included the Tar Heel ( Richmond-Bostic NC )this had a connection with the Clinchfield RY. The Capitol{Richmond-Birmingham NC }, the Iron Master {Birmingham-Atlanta }, the Clipper and the Alaga { Montgomery-Savanah } and the Pioneer { Montgomery-Jacksonville}.

In the 1960's ,Seaboard championed it's high speed piggy back service, the best train of the TOFC fleet being the Razorback . This hot trailer train ( for yeasr the fastest feight train in NA ) originated on The Pennsylvania RR at Kearny NJ and ran through to Hialeah Yard in Miami, 1000 miles in 30 hours !

During the SAL's last full year iof independance, 1966, it carried 66 million tons of freight the most ever in the roads history.

* info from Diesel era mags and railpace

Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual 2 lite breakfasts please. Got another big workday planned at the condo and farmhouse. We have more people coming to see the place here, and might not have such terrific weather later on today and tomorrow (not so good for grass-cutting efforts). More painting is planned for tonight at the farm house, and I keep on moving stuff from here every trip we make. I did make a neat find on something stored in the garage (that's now mine) ... a HUGE unbuilt Sopwith Camel model in a monster sized box! Don't know what that's worth, but will probably build it rather than sell.

Liked your twist on the ENCORE today Rob. I don't have any old SAL stuff myself, so ya'll will have to settle for:

The Making of a Railroad Signalman – By Ken Frazer

A railroad signalman’s job in the late 1940’s provided an opportunity to experience the end of the golden era of railroads. Steam power was still pounding the rails. Passenger service, while declining, was still viable, and master craftsmen were still available to pass on their skills to apprentices. I was one of those apprentices who had the good fortune to have caring “old hands” show a novice the way to perform his craft while surviving freezing temperatures, heat exhaustion, and the hazards of railroad work.

Railroading came to me naturally. At one time or another, two uncles, and aunt, two cousins, and my father knew a foreman in the Bridge and Building Department. I was able to get summer jobs when I was 14 and 15 years old, painting the fences between station platforms and working on the railroad’s New York Harbor piers.

The Initiation – After graduating from high school and not being able at the time to attend college, I entered the work world as a helper in the signal department on the Lackawanna Railroad. While having family working on the railroad was responsible for getting summer work and my signal helper’s job, at the same time it made the situation tougher, because I did not want to reflect badly on my family, and the foreman didn’t want to take it easy on me in front of the other men.

It was with this background that I reported to work at the signal construction camp cars in Hackettstown, New Jersey, to foreman Bill Brickman. He had a line crew, a wiring crew, and the subterranean excavation group (digging trenches and burying cable). Foreman Brickman felt that I was qualified for the latter group. It was in this group that I learned the Brickman rule; When digging trenches, you do not have one man pick and another shovel while the first rests. Each man in the trench picks and shovels - continuously.

As we worked our way West towards Washington, New Jersey, I learned how the line crew “grunt” ties material onto the lineman’s ground line so that it won’t fall off. I learned the soft, flat (non-tumbling) toss, chest high, to the lineman up on the pole.

About four to six men would take the end of a line wire to be pulled and head into brush-covered hills and gullies, wherever the line people went, and pulled 1,000 feet of the wire at a time. The line crew boss was Mike Schwartz. A slender, wiry man who was absolutely fearless on the pole. However, he had a thing about pulling the lines up really tight. As Fall approached, we had a cool night after a hot day, punctuated by his calls to “pull it up tighter, men.” The next morning we found some of the lines which had been up tight in the heat of the day snapped like high C on the piano during the cool of the night, causing crossarms to spring sideways. After that, the “pull it tighter” syndrome moderated.

The work of the signal changes associated with the installing APB (absolute and permissive block) single-tracking, replacing style B semaphores with style S, and replacing primary batteries with storage batteries continued on up to Washington, New Jersey, where the camp cars were located. Transportation of men and materials was by gang motorcar and by a ¼ ton pickup truck with benches in the truck bed under a canvas top. Today, canvas-topped truck to transport men is unthinkable, if not illegal, and Hi-Rails have replaced motorcars. But every day, 10 hours a day (in order to get home weekends and an early quit on Fridays for travel), “Cookie” would send us out after breakfast with our lunch bags to load either the truck (mostly line crew) or the gang car for the day’s work. Meals were like those in the Army; simple but nourishing, and some very tasty, especially after a day out on the tracks.

Graduation From Grunt – After my first six months, I began to get assigned to the wiremen. This was a wonderful new world for me. They wired the signals, switches, relay boxes, and other devices. While I would still work with the line crew or cable trench excavation sometimes, I spent an increasing amount of time with Joe Swetz and George Will, two excellent wiremen. Since my father was a telephone lineman/maintainer and radio ham, I had some knowledge of electrical circuits. With this knowledge, I would try to figure out how the signals worked from studying the signal circuit prints until I didn’t understand a symbol of how a device worked. Then Joe or George would explain.

As we worked our way West out of Washington towards the Delaware River, my usual duties were carrying their toolbags, putting eyes on wires, and skinning and potheading cables. I would also stand in back of the relay box and push wires through holes in the backboard identified by the wireman poking a straw through his side of the hole. They also let me wire battery boxes by myself. The fact that the fresh creosote in the new battery box wood, baking in the sun, burned your nostrils and wrists may have had something to do with this generous beneficence! With my rapid progress in learning to read the circuits, and just as certainly good recommendations from my wiremen “mentors”, I was promoted to assistant signalman.

I experienced the serious side of railroading one morning when we left Washington going West on our motorcar with two flatcars of cable reels, while a track gang car pulling two flats with rail left Portland, Pennsylvania, going East. We sighted each other in a curved cut, and with wet morning rails and pulling loaded flatcars, it was clear there was no way we were going to stop in time. Foreman Brickman yelled “Jump!” Our exit was followed by all 250 pounds of Brickman. We were still bouncing along the roadbed when the two gang cars met head-on in a cloud of dust and debris. My lunchbox was transformed into an accordion, but all of our men were OK except for bumps and bruises. Three of the track gang, older men who didn’t jump, had some more serious injuries, fortunately not life threatening. Brickman sent a man back East to flag No. 47, which was about 45 minutes behind us, and we all proceeded to clear the track of wreckage. When 47 arrived, the injured were loaded aboard, and we proceeded to push one of our flats back to Washington to lick our wounds and contemplate the inevitable investigation. It should be noted that in this era, motorcars were not given track warrants, orders, or other rights of track. The were given lineups, which together with the timetable provided information on trains. Other motorcar movements were not necessarily part of the lineup information.

[siberianmo]

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

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TODAY!: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner


Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment. Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their stories. Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the front seat of the car when we hit a big bump in the road and all the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess."
"What's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher. Don't put all your eggs in one basket!" "Very good," said the teacher.
Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers too. But we raise chickens for the meat market. We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten chicks, and the moral to this story is, don't count your chickens before they're hatched." "That was a fine story Sarah. Michael, do you have a story to share?"
"Yes, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Judy. Aunt Judy was a flight engineer in the Gulf War and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was a bottle of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete. She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops. She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of bullets. Then she killed twenty more with the machete until the blade broke. And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands."
"Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did your daddy tell you from that horrible story?"
"Stay the hell away from Aunt Judy when she's been drinking." [:I].


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 05:14:28 (317) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 06:51:00 (317) Early Left Coast Report!

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 06:53:13 (317) Early Right Coast Report!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 07:58:31 (317) Acknowledgments & Comments

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 09:02:21 (317) Report from WVA

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 10:19:52 (317) Acknowledgment, etc.

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 13:39:22 (317) Budd Report supreme & Pix!

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 14:26:08 (317) Lars Report supreme & Pix!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 15:37:42 (317) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10 pwolfe Pete Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 16:12:40 (317) Inclusive Post, Wolfman style!

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 18:32:58 (317) 1 Pix, 1 Cartoon & chat!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 18:55:18 (317) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 21:33:36 (317) Inclusive Post – Warbonnets in the ‘burg & Pix!




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

What a resounding start to this Saturday's "Encore Day." Tom, just a cuppa Master Blend and toasted English with butter and Black Currant perserves please. BTW, the attachment with our notes on the "Book Realy" came through loud and clear. As much as anything else, it's really a "kick" to see the diversity of impressions made upon "the eye of the beholder."[^] Five participants and five interesting, divergent reviews, fascinating.[tup] Should the "Relay" come up again as Pete mentioned, I encourage anyone to join in the fun, it is a winner.

My promise of offering further accolades for posts that I missed came to naught. Every adjective I had in mind had already been used in previous posts from other members.[:O] Looks like there are the "Quick and the Dead" if you fall a little behind, doesn't it?[swg] Aside from a little tedium, I thought yesterday was a real "hit." Many thanks to Cm3 for breaking the "chill" with anectdotal recollections of the Metroliners on the N.E. corrider. I too rode those quick trains from Balto. to Philly and the "City" r.t. on several occasions. Depending on the time of day, the Metros could assume the aura of a typical grim commuter or a "laid back" friendly coast-to-coast "extra fares" train. The "Bar Car" was the barometer for which I judged these rail jaunts.[(-D] Then BK came through (like an old "trooper") with his timely shot of the Seaboard EMD E-7 which opened the flood gates for Lars and the whole entourage to "pile on" with great responses, just incredible.

Where Barndad finds time for tending sheep whilst doing United Van Lines "bull work," is an enigma.[bow] I can't walk and chew gum! The "never disapointing" Rob comes in with his ever inclusive commentary and a whole bevy of good stuff on the Seaboard, ACL and SCL evolving to the Auto Train which my late wife and I had the pleasure of riding (Lorton, VA to FL, 1973). That was the second leg of our Honeymoon after traveling U.P., D & R.G.W., and Santa Fe country in the Southwest.[tup] X google. Yes Pete, I figured the U.K features of the book would raise response and sure enough, you spotted the error of station locations, a keen memory indeed. All of these willing contributions, with punctuations and pix from Cap'n Tom, have made for a great weekend.[:D] I put the last obstacle to rest for the "Rendesvous" when an old friend agreed to "Kitty sit" Minnie the Moocher while in Toronto. So, "if the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise," I'm "good to go."[^] Take care all and have a good Photo Posting Sunday. Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

first Posted on page 109


Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

St. Louis-San Francisco (Frisco)



Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 5,100

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 286
Passenger: 23
Switchers: 102

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 17,889 Passenger cars – 230

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Louis-Quanah, TX
Kansas City-Birmingham, AL via Ft. Scott, KS
St. Louis-Memphis
Amory, MS-Pensacola, FL
Monee, MO-Paris, TX
Sapulpa (Tulsa) OK-Dallas/Ft. Worth
Fort Scott-Afton, OK
Kansas City-Springfield, MO via Clinton, MO
Monett-Ellsworth, KS
Tulsa-Avard, OK
Nash, MO-Hoxie, AR

Passenger trains of note:

Black Gold (Tulsa-Fort Worth)
Firefly (Kansas City-Oklahoma City)
Kansas City-Florida Special (Kansas City-Jacksonville)
Memphian (St. Louis-Memphis)
Meteor (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Fort Smith, AR)
Oklahoman (1st iteration) (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Oklahoman (2nd iteration, 1965-67) (St. Louis-Oklahoma City)
Southland (Kansas City & St. Louis-Atlanta & Pensacola)
Texas Special (St. Louis-San Antonio & Forth Worth)
Will Rogers (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Wichita, KS)

Of note:
Southern Railway handled trains east of Birmingham.
MKT (Katy) handled the Texas Special between Vinita, OK and Texas destinations.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and a crumpet.

So we are resurrecting Frisco on this date.

Here is my first contribution for the day.

ST LOUIS
-
SAN FRANCISCO
Streamlined sleeping Cars
by Al

The SL-SF (Frisco) purchased its first streamlined cars following WW II. These cars were purchased to streamline the two METEOR consists and one of the two TEXAS SPECIAL consists. The second set of TEXAS SPECIAL equipment was owned by the M-K-T who jointly operated this train with the FRISCO. This joint agreement between the KATY and FRISCO dated from March 4, 1917 stated that the FRISCO would operate the TEXAS SPECIAL over their tracks between St. Louis and Vinita, Oklahoma. Between there and San Antonio the responsibility for the TEXAS SPECIAL was the KATY"S. Total distance of the St. Louis - San Antonio route was 1039 miles with the FRISCO operating 361 miles and the KATY 678 miles. The TEXAS SPECIAL was streamlined in 1948 initially using two consists.
Many of the sleeping cars that would operate in the TEXAS SPECIAL were through cars from New York and Washington operating east of St. Louis in the PRR PENN TEXAS and B&O NATIONAL LIMITED. The PRR provided four CASCADE series cars for through service beginning in January 1948 painting them TEXAS SPECIAL colors complete with simulated fluted panels. The four cars repainted and assigned to the new TEXAS SPECIALS were 8073 CASCADE BRIM, 8093 CASCADE MEADOW, 8103 CASCADE RANGE and 8105 CASCADE RAVINE.
For there part the FRISCO purchased seven 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars and one 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 21 seat Lounge Observation for the sleeping car section of the TEXAS SPECIAL pool. The KATY made an identical purchase for their part in the sleeping car pool for the TEXAS SPECIALS. The new streamlined TEXAS SPECIALS were inaugurated May 16, 1948.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - June 1948 Plan: 4153 Lot: 6769 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIAL)

SL-SF

1450 PIERRE LACLEDE

1451 THOMAS HART BENTON

1452 HENRY SHAW

1453 FRANCIS P. BAIR

1454 AUGUSTE CHOTEAU

1455 GEORGE G. VEST

1456 EUGENE FIELD

M-K-T

1500 JAMES W. FANNIN

1501 BENJAMIN R. MILAM

1502 WILLIAM B. TRAVIS

1503 DAVID CROCKETT

1504 JAMES BOWIE

1505 JAMES B. BONHAM

1506 AMON B. KING

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1948 Plan: 4121 Lot: 6769 (Built for and assigned to TEXAS SPECIALS)
SL-SF

1350 JOSEPH PULITZER

M-K-T

1400 STEPHEN F. AUSTIN

The TEXAS SPECIAL was discontinued over the FRISCO on January 5, 1959 and the M-K-T then operated the TEXAS SPECIAL as a Kansas City - San Antonio train using just the equipment they owned.
The other group of streamlined sleeping cars delivered to the FRISCO at the same time as the TEXAS SPECIAL cars were those for the METEOR trains between St. Louis and Oklahoma City overnight in each direction. This was strictly a FRISCO operation The new streamlined METEORS debuted westbound on May 14, 1948 and eastbound May 15, 1948. The METEORS were initially assigned five 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to each of the two METEOR consists. The new METEORS were soon extended beyond Oklahoma City to Lawton providing service to all three of Oklahoma's major cities Tulsa, Oklahoma City and Lawton. The METEOR trains were cut back to Oklahoma City and discontinued altogether September 17, 1965.
The PRR provided two 10-6 Sleeping Cars to the pool of through cars to New York operating east of St. Louis in the PENN TEXAS they were fully repainted into the Frisco red in October 1950 for the New York - Oklahoma City service. The two cars were 8325 SWATARA RAPIDS and 8326 TIOGA RAPIDS.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - June 1948 Plan: 4153 Lot: 6769 (Built for and assigned to METEORS)

1457 MERAMEC RIVER

1458 OSAGE RIVER

1459 GASCONADE RIVER

1460 NIANGUA RIVER

1461 JAMES RIVER

1462 GRAND RIVER

1463 CANADIAN RIVER

1464 NEOSHO RIVER

1465 SPRING RIVER

1466 CIMARRON RIVER

The FRISCO assigned many of the former TEXAS SPECIAL sleeping cars to the KANSAS CITY/ FLORIDA SPECIAL and the secondary train on that route the SUNNYLAND. The Canadian National purchased many of the excess streamlined sleeping cars from the FRISCO.

TTFN Al

[LoveDomes]

G'day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Good to see so many kick off this Saturday morning after a somewhat inglorious ending to yesterday. However, the SUBSTANCE was there - and that's where it's at! [tup]

I LIKE the idea of ENCORE SATURDAY! - wish everyone would "get on board" with the idea . . . isn't hard, just do an "advanced search" on whatever comes to mind - follow the "yellow brick road" and you'll get what you are looking for. Easy, enough[?] [tup]

So, Rob used the "boss" as our lead-in - good choice. For who, other than our "steamed Proprietor" can be matched for excellence in Posting along with constantly coming up with innovative contributions designed to keep us all in tune[?]

Barkeep, I'll take #3 from the Menu Board, along with a couple of those great biscuits from the Bakery case . . . just coffee for now, thanks! [swg]

Liked your Post too, Doug and the cartoon struck a funny bone! [swg] Much, much better than those "lame" jokes! [swg]

G'day to you Ted you've got a knack for the "cheerleading," which never hurts around this joint! [swg] Always nice to get some positive strokes . . . [tup]

20 Fingers You seem to have found your "stride" - now, suggest you do a bit of "research" and dig out those "ENCOREs" of yours that abound in the cyber library! [swg] Save the original stuff for Mon-Fri . . .


I've chosen my "bookend," BK, for this day - so here goes!

QUOTE: Posted by BudKarr Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 12:58:20 page 200

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

My oh my, seems that I have made it into the history pages of "Our" Place with the turning of the page! Congratulations to you Mr. Barndad Doug, straight away selection indeed.

Captain Tom, thank you for the email communications and we are sadenned to learn that you will be unable to join us at Lake Louise. Perhaps another time, with a bit more notice from us, we will be able to form up.

And now for my contribution to this fine establishment, perhaps my last for 2005:

Here’s a little something from assorted sources from the internet regarding a class of steam locomotive operating in India many decades past.

BESA Class 4-6-0

Tractive effort: 22.590lb (10,250kg).

Axle load: 39,599lb (18t).

Cylinders: (2) 20 ½ x 26 in (521 x 660mm).

Heating surface: 1,467 sq ft (137m2).

Superheater: 352sq ft (32.7m2).

Steam pressure: 180lb sq in (12.7kg/cm2)

Grate area: 32sq ft (3.0m2).

Fuel: 16,800lb (7 ½ t).

Water: 4,000gal (4,800 US) (18m3).

Adhesive weight: 118,000lb (54t).

Total weight: 273,000lb (124t).

Length overall: 62ft 3 ¼ in (18,980mm).

More Briti***han anything that ran in Britain, this archetypal Mail Engine gave over 75 years of service and is still actively in use. This is the British Engineering Standards Association “Heavy Passenger” 4-6-0, introduced in 1905, of which a number (but not one of the originals) are still in passenger service in India at the time of writing (1987).

The railways of India were developed mainly by private enterprise under a concession system whereby the then British Government of India guaranteed a modest return on investment in return for a measure of control, as well as eventual ownership. The government felt that one of their perquisites was to set standards and, having made rather a mess of the gauge question, made up for it with an excellent job of wetting out a range of standards designs for locomotives.

The first BESA 4-6-0s were solid hunks of sound engineering, bigger when introduced than almost anything that ran in the same country. Their closest relations at home seem to have been some 4-6-0s built in 19-3 for the Glasgow & South Western Railway by the North British Locomotive Co. of Glasgow. NGL were to supply the first standard 4-6-0s to India.

The BESA 4-6-0s stayed in top-line work even after their successors the India Railway Standard (IRS), XA and XB 4-6-2s had arrived in the mid-1920s, because of unsatisfactory qualities amongst the new arrivals. The great success of the BESA designs seems to lie in the fact that they were taken from British practice as it existed, with the difference that both average and maximum speeds in India were 25 per cent lower than at home while loads were about the same.(from a web site that did not identify its source, therefore I shall not credit further.)

And with appreciation to Captain Tom for prior arrangements in loading my pictures from email to his photo site, here are a couple you may find of interest:





The HPS was a typical BESA design locomotive, and prior to the advent of the bullet nosed WP, was the standard and most popular express power on the Indian Railways. Several were hard at work well into the late 1980s, especially on the NR and SR. Express passenger locomotives were loosely referred to as 'mail engines' in India, and the handsome HPS class of locomotives was the standard mail engine till the WPs came in. The engines had a maximum speed of 90 kmph, in keeping with their sleek express engine profile. The HPS/2 was in fact a derivative from an earlier HP class of locomotive. Other variants of the HP were the HPS and HPS/1. All (except the HP class) were provided with superheating. (from: http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/nrm/outdoor3.htm)


With best wishes to one and all for a MERRY CHRISTMAS and Joyous New Year!

BK

A Post Script: A nice Christmas gift for our Proprietor would be for those of you who are the regulars here, to pay a call over at Tom's other thread. Simply stop in - say a little something and let those who browse his pages know that he does indeed have a following. My guess is that there are many chortling over the inactivity there, the so called STARS of the Forums. [tdn] to them. Bah Hum Bug!

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There you have it - an ENCORE presentation in "honor" of our friend, BK!

Set 'em up on me - Boris ring the gong - my turn to buy a round!


Until the next time!

Lars

[BudKarr]

Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore

Good Day to you all and our Captain on this mild and cloudy day in paradise!


Encore, Encore everywhere I look! Perhaps, then, I should join in with Part I of Captain Tom’s offering in his “Railroads from Yesteryear” that Sir Rob began much earlier this morning . . .

QUOTE: Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Nine (in two parts)

Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

The Coast Line/Seaboard Railways – ACL – SAL – SCL


Part I of II

Atlantic Coast Line Railroad



Locale: United States Atlantic Coast

Reporting marks: ACL

Dates of operation: 1840 – July 1, 1967

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL

There is also an Atlantic Coast Line in Cornwall, England.

The Atlantic Coast Line Railroad (AAR reporting mark ACL) was an American railroad that existed between 1898 and July 1, 1967, when it merged with the Seaboard Air Line Railroad, its long-time rival, to form the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad. The company was headquartered in Jacksonville, Florida (Wilmington, North Carolina before 1961). After several more mergers and consolidations, the former ACL is now part of CSX Transportation, also headquartered in Jacksonville.


History


1914 map

The Atlantic Coast Line Company was organized on May 29, 1889 as a holding company for a system of railroads from Richmond and Norfolk, Virginia south and southwest to Augusta, Georgia.

North Carolina

The Wilmington and Raleigh Railroad was chartered in 1835, opening in 1840 from Wilmington, North Carolina north to Weldon, where the Petersburg Railroad continued to Petersburg, Virginia. The name was changed in 1855 to the Wilmington and Weldon Railroad.

The Wilmington and Manchester Railroad was chartered in 1846 and opened in 1853 from Wilmington west to Camden Crossing, South Carolina on the South Carolina Railroad's branch to Camden. After the American Civil War, the company was reorganized in 1870 as the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta Railroad, opening an extension west to Columbia in 1873 but never reaching Augusta, Georgia.

In 1872 the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta Railroad leased the Wilmington and Weldon Railroad, forming a continuous line through Wilmington, which was advertised as the Atlantic Coast Line. That lease was cancelled in 1878 due to the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta's bankruptcy; that company was sold in 1879 and reorganized in 1880 under the same name.

Over the years, the Wilmington and Weldon bought many other lines. Most notable among those was the Wilson and Fayetteville Railroad, built as a cutoff from near Wilson to the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta at Pee Dee, South Carolina. This was chartered in South Carolina as the Florence Railroad.

South Carolina


1885 map, when it was a loose system of affiliated lines

The Northeastern Railroad was chartered in 1851 and opened in 1856 from Charleston north to the Wilmington and Manchester Railroad at Florence. The Central Railroad, connecting this line at Lane northwest to the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta Railroad at Sumter, was chartered in 1881 and opened in 1882. From opening it was leased by both railroads in connected to.

The Atlantic Coast Line Railroad of South Carolina was formed on July 18, 1898 as a consolidation of the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta Railroad and Northeastern Railroad with several other lines:

• The Florence Railroad was chartered in 1882, continuing the Wilson and Fayetteville Railroad from the North Carolina state line south-southwest to the Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta at Pee Dee. This was part of a shorter route avoiding Wilmington, North Carolina.
• The Cheraw and Darlington Railroad was chartered in 1849 and opened in 1853, running from Florence north via Darlington to Cheraw. The Cheraw and Darlington acquired the Cheraw and Salisbury Railroad, an extension north to Wadesboro, North Carolina, in 1892.
• The Manchester and Augusta Railroad was chartered in 1875, and built a line from Sumter southwest to Denmark. On June 30, 1899, the ACL opened a continuation west-southwest to the Charleston and Western Carolina Railway at Robbins.

The Central Railroad stayed separate, leased but not merged.

Also involved in this was the Charleston, Sumter and Northern Railroad, a failed plan to build a main line from Charleston through Sumter into North Carolina. That company went bankrupt in 1892, and the bridge over the Santee River burned down. In 1895 the ACL bought and reorganized it as the Charleston and Northern Railroad to prevent it from being used by a competitor. The short Wilson and Summerton Railroad acquired a section south of Sumter, the Manchester and Augusta Railroad obtained the southernmost section (cut from the rest by the burned bridge) and the line from Sumter northeast to Darlington, extending the M&A's line to Darlington, and the Cheraw and Darlington Railroad was assigned the rest of the line, from Darlington north to Gibson, North Carolina. All but the Wilson and Summerton became part of the ACL in 1898. That company was renamed to the Northwestern Railroad in 1899, and with help from the ACL built an extension northwest from Sumter to Camden, opened in 1901.

In August 1899 the ACL acquired a half interest in the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company, fully owned by the Louisville and Nashville Railroad since 1898. This gave the ACL access to Atlanta and Macon, Georgia via the former Manchester and Augusta Railroad and the Georgia Railroad.

By 1899 the ACL also owned the Charleston and Western Carolina Railway, running from Port Royal, South Carolina at the south orner of the state northwest into the northwest part of the state, with lines ending at Anderson, Greenville and Spartanburg.

Virginia

The Petersburg Railroad was chartered in 1830 and opened in 1833, running from Petersburg, Virginia south to Garysburg, North Carolina, from which it ran to Weldon via trackage rights over the Seaboard and Roanoke Railroad (later eliminated with a new alignment). The Richmond and Petersburg Railroad was chartered in 1836 and opened in 1838, continuing north from Petersburg to Richmond.

In March 1898, the Petersburg Railroad was merged into the Richmond and Petersburg, which was renamed to the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad of Virginia on November 21.

The Norfolk and Carolina Railroad was chartered in 1887 as the Chowan and Southern Railroad and renamed in 1889, opening in 1890 as a connection from the Wilmington and Weldon Railroad's branch to Tarboro, North Carolina northeast to Pinner's Point, Virginia, serving the Hampton Roads area.

Florida and Georgia

The Plant System was a system of railroads and steamboats in the U.S. South, founded by Florida's west coast developer Henry B. Plant. After his death in 1899, the Plant system was taken over by the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad in 1902. The original line of the system, named after its owner, Henry Plant, was the Savannah, Florida and Western Railway, running across southern Georgia.

forming the ACL by mergers and later history


1914 map of the lines through Florida

The Atlantic Coast Line Railroad was formed on April 21, 1900 as a merger of the two companies in Virginia and South Carolina, as well as the Wilmington and Weldon Railroad and Norfolk and Carolina Railroad.

In 1902 the ACL acquired the massive Plant System, stretching from Charleston, South Carolina southwest via Savannah, Georgia to Waycross, with lines branching out from there to Albany, Georgia, Montgomery, Alabama, and many points in Florida (including the main line to Tampa). The Jacksonville and Southwestern Railroad was bought July 28, 1904, running from Jacksonville, Florida southwest to Newberry. Around this time, the ACL built a new line from High Springs south to Juliette, Florida, connecting two Plant System lines and forming a shortcut around Gainesville down the west side of Florida.

The ACL bought the large Louisville and Nashville Railroad system on November 1, 1902, but kept operations separate for its entire life.

A short branch from Climax, Georgia south to Amsterdam opened in 1903.

The ACL bought the Conway Coast and Western Railroad on July 1, 1912, giving it access to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

On October 15, 1913, the ACL acquired the Sanford and Everglades Railroad, a short line near Sanford, Florida.

The Florida Central Railroad, bought February 27, 1915, provided a spur to Fanlew, Florida.

In July 1922 the ACL acquired the Rockingham Railroad, extending the former Charleston, Sumter and Northern Railroad from Gibson, North Carolina to Rockingham.

Also in 1922 the ACL leased the Virginia and Carolina Southern Railroad, running from Fayetteville, North Carolina south to Lumberton with a spur to Elizabethtown.

The ACL acquired the Moore Haven and Clewiston Railway on July 1, 1925, and the Deep Lake Railroad, a short line from the Gulf of Mexico port of Everglades City north to Deep Lake, Florida, on December 8, 1928. These formed short parts of a new line from the main line at Haines City south to Everglades City, with a branch to Lake Harbor on Lake Okeechobee via Moore Haven and Clewiston.

Also in 1925, the ACL leased the Fort Myers Southern Railroad, which continued the line of the Florida Southern Railroad south from Fort Myers to Marco. That same year, the Tampa Southern Railroad was leased, running from Uceta Yard in eastern Tampa south via Sarasota to the Florida Southern at Fort Ogden.

In 1926 the ACL acquired the Columbia, Newberry and Laurens Railroad, running from the end of the old Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta Railroad at Columbia, South Carolina northwest to Laurens.

The ACL incorporated the Atlanta, Birmingham and Coast Railroad on November 22, 1926 as a reorganization of the Atlantic, Birmingham and Atlantic Railway. This gave the ACL lines from Waycross to Atlanta, Georgia and Birmingham, Alabama, with a branch east to Brunswick

On May 1, 1927 the ACL leased the Washington and Vandemere Railroad, extending the old Wilmington and Weldon Railroad branch to Washington southeast to Vandemere.

In 1928 the Perry Cutoff was finished, providing a new shortcut from Thomasville, Georgia via Perry, Florida to Dunnellon, Florida, with a branch to Newberry, Florida. Additionally, the old Tampa and Thonotosassa Railroad line was extended northeast from Thonotosassa to Vitis, providing a shortcut between Tampa and the newly-important west Florida line.

The ACL acquired the East Carolina Railway at some point, running south from Tarboro to Hookerton.

Seaboard Coast Line, CSX Transportation

On July 1, 1967 the ACL merged with the Seaboard Air Line Railroad, its longtime rival, to form the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad.

CSX Transportation was formed on July 1, 1986 as a renaming of the Seaboard System Railroad, which had absorbed the former Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, Louisville and Nashville Railroad and Seaboard Air Line Railroad, as well as several smaller subsidiaries. On August 31, 1987 the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway, which had absorbed the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad April 30 of that year, merged into CSX. The merger had been started in 1980 with the merger of Chessie System and Seaboard Coast Line Industries to form the CSX Corporation.

Station listing

For stations on the main line (now CSX's "A" line), see the following articles:

• Richmond and Petersburg Railroad, Richmond, Virginia to Petersburg, Virginia
• Petersburg Railroad, Petersburg to Weldon, North Carolina
• Wilmington and Weldon Railroad, Weldon to Wilson, North Carolina
• Wilson and Fayetteville Railroad, Wilson to North Carolina/South Carolina state line
• Florence Railroad, state line to Pee Dee, South Carolina
• Wilmington and Manchester Railroad, Pee Dee to Florence, South Carolina
• Northeastern Railroad, Florence to Charleston, South Carolina
• Plant System railroads:
o Ashley River Railroad, around Charleston
o Charleston and Savannah Railroad, Charleston to Savannah, Georgia
o Atlantic and Gulf Railroad, Savannah to Jesup, Georgia
o Folkston Cutoff, Jesup to Folkston, Georgia
o Waycross and Florida Railroad, Folkston to Georgia/Florida state line
o East Florida Railroad, state line to Jacksonville, Florida
o Jacksonville, Tampa and Key West Railway, Jacksonville to Sanford, Florida
o South Florida Railroad, Sanford to Tampa, Florida

References

• Railroad History Database
• Confederate Railroads
• St. Paul to Camden, Summerton to Wilson - North Western of SC

End of Part I of II


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

I must announce two things: First my lovely lady has a name – Lydia and second – she spent considerable time putting this Encore together in order to replicate the features it had when first posted on page 267. Never knew how much goes into these things with regard to the formatting, photos and so forth!

Fortunately, there are two computers available and I have had the opportunity to review the postings since my last visit. Well done, Gentlemen - all! [tup] No point in my joining in the summarizations of what each of you had to offer - it has been done far better by others than I could. [tup]

A special mention to Ted - many thanks for the well wishes. by email. Nice of you to offer them! [tup]

A round for the house, Captain Tom and we will partake in a bit of lunch. One of those Kokanee Light brews will do for me and my lady will have a glass of white wine. Thank you!


Enjoy the weekend one and all! [tup]

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high mountain country!


Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore - Encore

[West Coast S]

Encore saturday!! Tom you have a message awaiting you, Wanswheel you also have a message, can't wait to gloan the bosses computer to open up the photo links you so graciously provided during my lunch hour-comments to follow upon review. Rob, I will be composing you an extensive SN related topic in respones to your interest, so as not to bore the other patrons of "Our Place" with a rehash.

Ok let me get up to speed, before running my mouth off about topics i've not yet viewed in detail.

BTW, Great idea with the TS/SN/ Key System day, pretty much sums the transit operations in the Nor Cal area, can't forget to include the Northwestern Pacific's electric operations in the East Bay as well..For the marine inclined, a brief review of the ferry operations should be considered as a tie in...


Dave

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a glass of fre***ropicana with a shot of Woolite (Doug's neighbors just go from baaaad to worsted)

Rob thanks for dredging up Tom's old Seaboard, here's 2 pantagraphs by Larry Goolsby of the ACL & SAL RRs Hist. Soc.

"The Orange Blossom Special ran from 1925 to 1953, except during World War II. It was a fast, luxury, all-Pullman winter season-only train that catered to wealthy travelers from the northeast to Florida resorts. During its heyday it was favored by such celebrities as the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. It was operated by the Seaboard Air Line Railroad, and went from New York to Philadelphia, Washington, Richmond, Raleigh, Columbia, Savannah, Jacksonville, and Miami. A section of the train also went to Tampa and St. Petersburg on Florida's west coast. (New York to Florida trains went down the east coast and not via any Midwestern cities.)

The OBS began running at the peak of the Florida boom years and did well until the Great Depression. After the Depression the train did make a comeback by offering air-conditioned cars and the first diesel-electric passenger locomotives in the southeast. After its suspension during WW2, the train returned to run a few more years after the war, but competition from cars, planes and newer trains on both the Seaboard and its competitor, the Atlantic Coast Line, no longer justified its continuing operation. The last run was in April 1953. The Orange Blossom Special was one of the country's most famous trains, and the country and western song about it, written in 1938, is still well known."

ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL
http://www.flarr.com/salobs.htm

TEXAS SPECIAL (Joseph Pulitzer)
http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p00930.jpg
http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/rolling.cfm

METROLINER
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr826.jpg

PHOEBE SNOW & BROADWAY LIMITED
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4024_lackawanna_rr_phoebe_snow&penn_rr_broadway_ltd_1940.jpg

20TH CENTURY LIMITED
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4012_new_york_central_20th_century_ltd_1930.jpg

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

This doesn't appear to be one of our "normal" Saturdays - far too much acitvity for that! tup][tup][tup]

So, in reverse order - let me acknowledge one and all . . .

wanswheel Mike You, Sir, have the undisputed title of URLMeister!
Wonderful selections and very much on the mark! [tup] Enjoyed your Orange Blossom Special write-up as well! [tup][tup][tup]

Dave I JUST checked my E-mail and didn't see anything from you. However, I did get one from you yesterday regarding the retransmission of a message you had requested . . . . Today IS ENCORE! Saturday - so if you have something to let loose with - no one will be "bored!" [swg]

BK Nice work and give our THANX to Lydia! [tup][tup][tup] And yes, I understand the "work" it takes to put those submissions together! [swg] I'. "flattered" with the Post you chose to use for an ENCORE! Appreciate your stopping by on Saturday . . . [tup]

Lars A very complimentary thing you did for your "bookend" - and he DIDN'T make mention of it!! Wonder if he saw it[?] Always good to have you on board - weekend or weekday! [tup]

Al You've been a busy boy - by the by - I received your response to my Email and shipped another back to you! [swg] Nice "streamliners" both here and over at "my other thread!" [tup]

Ted Appreciate the morning visit and words of cheer! [tup] As someone has mentioned, you do a great job at "cheerleading" if we're not careful, some of us may begin to actually believe all of those platitudes! [swg]

Doug GREAT cartoon! Really "tickled" me too! [swg] Your RR Signalman article is a "goodun" and for anyone who missed it first time 'round, take advantage of this opportunity. [tup] I hope you make LOTSANOISE while showing the Condo you are selling. "Payback is tough, eh[?]" [swg] Also liked the "Warbonnets in the 'burg" article. "Sheep" and "dirty car" - is there a "message" lurking somewhere with those[?] [swg]

Rob You surely tried to make up for lost time, and you DID with those 3 Posts! [tup][tup][tup] You cudda picked any number of guys to reprise their works - but you chose mine. Thanx! [:I] You surely burned "the midnight oil" with all of that work. Have a drink on the house! Boris ring the chimes! [tup]

Okay, boyz - gotta get Juneau outside between downpours. We're expecting at least 2 days worth much needed precip and it's coming in waves. Amazing how dogs know when it's okay to get outside . . . [swg]

Thanx to all who bought rounds and put some quarters into our Coal Scuttle! Also, another thanx to those of you who received and enjoyed my "summary" of YOUR comments on our RR Book Relay!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


REMINDER:
Saturday is ENCORE day! SAVE those original Posts for Monday thru Friday!

[LoveDomes]

G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Back again for another one of those Kokanee brews . . . not bad! [tup] Slide those pretzels and nuts down this way, wudja[?] Thanks! Here’s a ten spot for a round on me! [tup]

Found another ENCORE! that should evoke some memories for our “steamed Proprietor” and also pay a tribute to one Mr. Coalminer3 (I’m not Shane) coal-what’s-his-face! [swg]

ENCORE POST!

QUOTE: Posted by coalminer3 Posted: 15 Apr 2005, 15:05:31 from page 2

One of my favorite Berraisms - "Ninety percent of the game is half mental."

Now, let's move on to RDCs.

When I was growing up in the frozen north, the Boston and Maine had commuter trains pulled by a fantastic variety of steam locomotives. Then came the diesels and we saw locomotive hauled trains pulled by GP7s and RS3s (I am sure there are a few out there who'll remember the B&Ms maroon and gold color scheme.) The RDCs came after that, and IIRC, the B&M had the largest fleet of RDCs anywhere.

As a sidebar, Boston and the RDC have a long history as some of the first RDCs ran on the Boston and Albany - they were called "Beeliners." The New Haven had an extensive fleet of RDCs as well including the "Roger Williams" which had RDC cab units; the "Roger" survived throught the Penn Central days and onto Amtrak. I had the good fortune to have a cab ride on this beast from Boston to Springfield and on to New Haven; an interesting trip. I believe it's been preserved and is undergoing restoration.

The B&M had all models of RDCs; 1s, 2s,3s,4,s and 9s and they ran all over the system. I'm reaching back again, but IIRC, the RDC4s were the model with the RPO compartment. I rode on one of them on a trip from Vermont back to Boston. The RPO was long gone, but it was interesting to see what had once been there.

The Lexington Branch of the B&M (which is now a !@#$ bicycle path) provided a most interesting RDC trip. The branch's track was questionable in spots, and the RDC gave the impression of being on boat rolling in a good sea. Once you got off the main line, a ride on the branch became more like a time machine as there were certain crossings that had to be flagged by the train crew and some really interesting stations including a depot with a wooden train shed (Lexington). Many of the buildings along the branch have been saved and are being used for other purposes. The station in Bedford, MA has a B&M RDC on display along with an ongoing project to reconstruct part of the B&B which was a 2' gauge operation.

The RDC was a utilitarian machine, at least on the B&M; walkover seats, vinyl covered and a tile floor. They could get noisy now and then (sort of like a bus on steroids), but thay had good acceleration and rode pretty well once they got up to track speed.

I hope this is enough to get you started on RDCs. BTW, the C&Os U25Bs ran out their last days, virtually going by the house - you always knew when they were coming; some stories, there, too, if anybody's interested...

BTW, Siberiamo, appreciate the comments on WV. I'm at the opposite end of the state - blessed to be in former C&O, VGN, N&W, K&M and KGJ&E country. The terrain here is mostly vertical but we have good fishing.

My vote goes to Place#1 - any Friday evening specials for the workin' folks? Place #1 looks like they'd cash a check as long as you bought a round. Now let's move the pool tables out front.

work safe

That should do it for me today and I hope this day has surprised the “bossman!” [tup][tup] ‘Bout time you got a bit of relief from shouldering the Saturday load. [swg]

I think my “bookend” didn’t see my “tribute!” No problem – I’ll get him to spring for a drink as payback! [swg]


Until the next time!

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all,

A pint of the Bathams Bitter and a round on this busy Encore Saturday [tup]. If there is any steak left over can I have a piece for later.[?].

Great posts on the Seaboard from TOM ROB AND BK[tup][tup][tup].

DOUG Good find in the barn [tup]. Great post on the Santa Fe at Cedar Fork yesterday and it is good to hear it is still a busy place for trains. The signalman story is well worth another read[yeah].

TED We will have to try another book relay this one was good fun and thanks to TOM we could compare our reviews.

AL Thanks for the St Louis to San Francisco cars Mike as a good link to a photo of a Texas Eagle car.

MIKE Great links [tup] I will have study the Frisco list of photos some more and I wonder how the photo of 20th Century Limited was taken. loved that Phobe Snow Classic locos [wow][yeah].

I am going to attempt posting an encore by "borrowing one of TOMs ads from last year, like LARS encore of BKs Indian railway post on the BESA locos "More Briti***han anything that ran in Britain" [%-)] a UK theme.

Posted by siberianmo Posted: 08 Dec 2005, 15:04:35
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #40

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the BRITISH RAILWAYS in a 1948 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . 25% Reduction IN TOUR FARES . . . . .

. . . . . For Americans Visiting The BRITISH ISLES . . . . .

When planning your British Isles holiday, make a list of all the places you want to see in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Your Travel Agent will be glad to help you prepare your complete individual itinerary. That way you’ll effect substantial savings on planned tour tickets offered by British Railways.

. . . . . . . . . . See More in Britain! . . . . . . . . . .

Naturally, you’ll visit our great cities, our world-famous historic and scenic shrines (all within a day’s train trip from London) . . . but with more time you can enjoy so many equally memorable travel experiences in our less publicized byways. So plan to stay longer – discover for yourself the charm of our villages, countryside and rugged coastline.

. . . . . . . . . . Travel means BRITISH RAILWAYS

TRAINS . . . Swift, comfortable transportation to every corner of the British Isles.

HOTELS . . . 45 hotels associated with British Railways, strategically situated for your tour or business trips.

CROSS-CHANNEL FACILITIES . . . Railway-operated steamer services over a wide variety of routes to Ireland and the Continent. Depend on the all-inclusive travel services of British Railways for every phase of your tour of the British Isles. We suggest you secure your rail transportation, as well as Pullman, cross-channel steamer and hotel reservations before your leave.

British Railways – official agents for air tickets on British European Air Corporation routes in the British Isles.

Write for British Railways – new and amusing booklet, ”WHAT, NO ICE?” – written especially for Americans planning to visit us; as well as the full-color map folder, ”THE BRITISH ISLES” both free upon request to Dept. 25 at any of the offices shown below.

For tickets, reservations and authoritative travel information on the British Isles

CONSULT YOUR LOCAL TRAVEL AGENT or any British Railways office:

. . . . . NEW YORK 20, N. Y., 9 ROCKEFELLER Pl.
. . . . . CHICAGO 3, ILL, 39 So. Lasalle St.
. . . . . LOS ANGELES 14, CAL., 510 W. 6th St.
. . . . . TORONTO, ONT., 69 Younge Street

. . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

And now my reply to Toms ad. Posted 08 Dec 2005 16:53.43

TOM I have a bit more info on the Holyhead train service. Although it is not possible to get a connection from the Saturday night sailing from Dublin it is possible on the other days. The train departs Holyhead around 1 30 PM but goes to Birmingham not London as it did on my first trip. There seems to be a good service connecting to and from the ferries in the day time. The principle day and night trains between London and Holyhead were named The Irish Mail which was the oldest named train in the world or so I have read. It's first call out and last in was Rugby so was a good way to start our holiday in North Wales although a change was needed as it did not call at the holiday towns on the N. Wales coast. In steam days it was hauled by one of Holyhead shed's 4-6-0 Royal Scot or the 4-6-2 Britannia class locos. The Britannias were one of the very few B.R locos that had a Chime Whistle I can still re-call hearing, as a young lad, the Brit on the Night Mail as I lay in the boarding house bed in Rhyl. Magical stuff.

Great Nostalgia many thanks [tup].Oh for a time machine[sigh]. 1948 was the year the U.K. railways were nationalised and became British Railways. It was also the year of the Locomotive Exchanges when certain classes of locos of the four main companies were tried out on each others main lines hauling normal service trains but with a Dynamometer car behind the loco to assess performance.

I dont know if the TOUR FARES were the fore-runner of the tickets that are now known as the Brit-Rail Passes offering unlimited travel over a certain period. They are known as Railrovers when bought in the U.K. and are still avaliable for certain areas as well as the All-Line one . [^].

Lars Just caught your RDC encore from CM3. Thanks for the advice on posting Encores. [tup].
My bride has helped greatly with this. PETE.

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom.and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
Since this is Encore Saturday will add this to todays posting.

SEABOARD
COAST
LINE
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The SCL came into existence on July 1, 1967 with the merger of the Seaboard Air Line and Atlantic Coast Line railroads. It was on that date the two close rivals ceased to be separate entities and joined forces o provide the eastern Seaboard from Virginia to Florida with improved freight service and continued excellent passenger service.
In order to more easily be able to identify the 6 Double Bedroom Buffet lounge cars from other similar cars the former SAL cars STONE MOUNTAIN, RED MOUNTAIN, and KENNESAW MOUNTAIN were renamed MIAMI BEACH, PALM BEACH and HOLLYWOOD BEACH in that order. This took place in October 1967. The former SAL 5 Double Bedroom Buffet Sun Lounge cars MIAMI BEACH, PALM BEACH and HOLLYWOOD BEACH were renamed SUN VIEW, SUN BEAM and SUN RAY respectively at the same time.
In July 1969 the ownership of all SCL sleeping cars passed to Hamburg Industries, Inc. of Augusta, Georgia. They were then leased back to the SCL for operation.
Hamburg Industries purchased eleven lightweight streamlined sleeping cars used from the B&O in September 1969. Eight of these cars were BIRD series 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars BOBOLINK, CARDINAL, GULL, ORIOLE, ROBIN, SWAN, THRUSH and WREN. These cars were originally Budd built cars built for the B&O in May - June 1954. The B&O retained KINGFISHER, MOCKINGBIRD and QUAIL for there own services.
These cars were immediately assigned to the SILVER STAR, and WEST COAST CHAMPIONS to be operated as Slumbercoaches.
The other three cars from the B&O in September 1969 were the 5 Roomette 3 Drawing Room 1 Single Bedroom 24 seat Dome cars MOONLIGHT DOME, STARLIGHT DOME and SUNLIGHT DOME. These cars could trace their origins back to the C&O CHESSIE stillborn in 1948. The cars entered service in December 1969 assigned to the FLORIDA SPECIAL operating between Richmond and Miami.
In September 1969 the C&O sold three 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to Hamburg Industries for assignment to SCL trains. These cars were MONTICELLO, NATURAL BRIDGE and GREENBRIAR. They were joined by two others in March 1970 HOMESTEAD and MOUNT VERNON.
All lightweight streamlined sleeping cars owned by Hamburg Industries and leased to SCL were assigned new numbers in 1970 as follows.

6100 AVON PARK originally SAL 74 AVON PARK

6101 HIALEAH originally SAL 72 HIALEAH

6102 OCALA originally SAL 70 OCALA

6103 SEBRING originally SAL 73 SEBRING

6104 TALLASASSEE originally SAL 75 TALLASSEE

6105 VENICE originally SAL 71 VENICE

6106 MAGNOLIA GARDENS ex ACL MAGNOLIA GARDENS originally ACL PARRIS ISLAND

6107 MONTICELLO originally C&O 2801 MONTICELLO

6108 NATURAL BRIDGE originally C&O 2802 NATURAL BRIDGE

6109 GREENBRIAR originally C&O 2804 GREENBRIAR

6110 HOMESTEAD originally C&O 2800 HOMESTEAD

6111 MOUNT VERNON originally C&O 2803 MOUNT VERNON

6200 BLUE BIRD ex ACL BLUE BIRD originally ACL CAPE FEAR RIVER

6201 HONEY BIRD ex ACL HONEY BIRD originally ACL ASHLEY RIVER

6202 HUMMING BIRD ex ACL HUMMING BIRD originally ACL OGEECHEE RIVER

6203 JAY BIRD ex ACL JAY BIRD originally ACL COOPER RIVER

6204 RICE BIRD ex ACL RICE BIRD originally ACL MANATEE RIVER

6205 SURF BIRD ex ACL SURF BIRD originally ACL SUWANEE RIVER

6400 EVERGLADES originally ACL CAMELLIA

6401 OKEFENOKE originally ACL GARDENIA

6402 BAY PINES originally SAL 50 BAY PINES

6403 SOUTHERN PINES originally SAL 51 SOUTHERN PINES

6404 CEDARTOWN originally SAL 55 CEDARTOWN

6405 HENDERSON originally SAL 54 HENDERSON

6406 PINEHURST originally SAL 52 PINEHURST

6407 CAMDEN originally SAL 53 CAMDEN

6500 SUN BEAM originally SAL 19 PALM BEACH

6501 SUN RAY originally SAL 20 HOLLYWOOD BEACH

6502 SUN VIEW originally SAL 18 MIAMI BEACH

6520 BOCA GRANDE originally SAL 60 BOCA GRANDE

6521 CLEARWATER originally SAL 62 CLEARWATER

6522 FORT LAUDERDALE originally 61 FORT LAUDERDALE

6600 HOLLYWOOD BEACH originally SAL 17 KENNESAW MOUNTAIN

6601 MIAMI BEACH originally SAL 16 STONE MOUNTAIN

6602 PALM BEACH originally SAL 15 RED MOUNTAIN

6603 MYRTLE BEACH originally ACL MYRTLE BEACH

6604 PASS-A-GRILLE BEACH originally ACL PASS-A-GRILLE BEACH

6605 PONTE VEDRA BEACH originally ACL PONTE VEDRA BEACH

6606 SEA ISLAND BEACH originally ACL SEA ISLAND BEACH

6607 VIRGINIA BEACH originally ACL VIRGINIA BEACH

6608 WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH originally ACL WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH

6610 ATLANTA originally SAL 36 ATLANTA

6611 BIRMINGHAM originally SAL 37 BIRMINGHAM

6612 CHARLOTTE originally SAL 35 CHARLOTTE

6613 COLUMBIA originally SAL 30 COLUMBIA

6614 JACKSONVILLE originally SAL 32 JACKSONVILLE

6615 LAKE WALES originally SAL 41 LAKE WALES

6616 MIAMI originally SAL 43 MIAMI

6617 NORFOLK originally SAL 27 NORFOLK

6618 ORLANDO originally SAL 33 ORLANDO

6619 PETERSBURG originally SAL 26 PETERSBURG

6620 PORTSMOUTH originally SAL 28 PORTSMOUTH

6621 RALEIGH originally SAL 29 RALEIGH

6622 RICHMOND originally SAL 25 RICHMOND

6623 ST. PETERSBURG originally SAL 38 ST. PETERSBURG

6624 SARASOTA originally SAL 39 SARASOTA

6625 SAVANNAH originally SAL 31 SAVANNAH

6626 TAMPA originally SAL 34 TAMPA

6627 WEST PALM BEACH originally SAL 42 WEST PALM BEACH

6628 WINTER HAVEN originally SAL 40 WINTER HAVEN

6629 ALACHUA COUNTY originally AC ALACHUA COUNTY

6630 BEAUFORT COUNTY originally ACL BEAUFORT COUNTY

6631 BERKELEY COUNTY originally ACL BERKELEY COUNTY

6632 CHATHAM COUNTY originally ACL CHATHAM COUNTY

6633 CLARENDON COUNTY originally ACL CLARENDON COUNTY

6634 COLLETON COUNTY originally ACL COLLETON COUNTY

6635 CUMBERLAND COUNTY originally ACL CUMBERLAND COUNTY

6636 DARLINGTON COUNTY originally ACL DARLINGTON COUNTY

6637 DUVAL COUNTY originally ACL DUVAL COUNTY

6638 EDGECOMBE COUNTY originally ACL EDGECOMBE COUNTY

6639 GLYNN COUNTY originally ACL GLYNN COUNTY

6640 HARNETT COUNTY originally ACL HARNETT COUNTY

6641 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY originally ACL HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

6642 MARION COUNTY originally ACL MARION COUNTY

6643 NASH COUNTY originally ACL NASH COUNTY

6644 NASSAU COUNTY originally ACL NASSAU COUNTY

6645 NORTHAMPTON COUNTY originally ACL NORTHAMPTON COUNTY

6646 OSCEOLA COUNTY originally ACL OSCEOLA COUNTY

6647 PINELLAS COUNTY originally ACL PINELLAS COUNTY

6648 POLK COUNTY originally ACL POLK COUNTY

6649 PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY originally ACL PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY

6650 PUTNAM COUNTY originally ACL PUTNAM COUNTY

6651 SEMINOLE COUNTY originally ACL SEMINOLE COUNTY

6652 SUMTER COUNTY originally ACL SUMTER COUNTY

6653 WARE COUNTY originally ACL WARE COUNTY

6654 BRYAN COUNTY ex ACL BRYAN COUNTY originally C&O 2617 CITY OF BECKLEY

6655 DILLON COUNTY ex ACL DILLON COUNTY originally C&O 2616 CITY OF RONCEVERTE

6656 HALIFAX COUNTY ex ACL HALIFAX COUNTY originally C&O 2615 WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS

6657 VOLUSIA COUNTY ex ACL VOLUSIA COUNTY originally C&O 2618 CITY OF ALDERSON

6700 BOBOLINK originally B&O 7100 BOBOLINK

6701 CARDINAL originally B&O 7101 CARDINAL

6702 GULL originally B&O 7102 GULL

6703 ORIOLE originally B&O 7105 ORIOLE

6704 ROBIN originally B&O 7107 ROBIN

6705 SWAN originally B&O 7108 SWAN

6706 THRUSH originally B&O 7109 THRUSH

6707 WREN originally B&O 7110 WREN

6800 MOONLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1850 (BELLE ISLE DOME)

6801 STARLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7601 STARLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1852 (HAMPTON ROADS DOME)

6802 SUNLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME originally C&O 1851 (CHAMBERLIN DOME)

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Nice Posts from Pete 'n Al - good work, gents! [tup][tup]

Flattered, once again - how come it seems that "everyone" is ENCORING my "stuff"[?] Something has been prearranged, methinks! [swg]

Appreciate the run of SCL streamlined sleepers from Al - never at a loss for "words" that fella who calls himself passengerfan! Is there any doubt[?] [swg]

Pete it helps to have help, eh[?] The question is, what PRICE do you have to pay in return[?} [swg]

I'll give you some "tips" on how to go about "reposting" if you'd like. Isn't quite as difficult as some would have it . . . .

Been a rather unusual, but most active ENCORE! Saturday and my THANX to all for your participation. [tup][tup][tup]

REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

Thanx for the rounds! Much appreciated, and there are two steaks waitin' for ya, Wolfman - one for you and the other for the Mrs! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and I'll have the Steak now please.

Great Seaboard Encore AL[tup], some of the cars carried great names is their really a bird called a Bobolink[?].

TOM YES a good encore day[tup][yeah]. The price wasn't too bad just a dinner out and the grocery store, could have been a lot worse as I had managed to mess up the word processor at one point [D)], so a few hints on re-posting would be appriciated some time[tup].

This Steak is delicious[^] compliments to the[C=:-)].
PETE.

[siberianmo]

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* Weekly Calendar:


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"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it,"
--A congressional candidate in Texas.


"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
--Philadelphia Phillies manager, Danny Ozark
I KNOW “Yogi” said that 1st!! [swg]


"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
--Al Gore, Vice President


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Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 01:21:48 (317) Super Inclusive Post!

(2) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 01:32:48 (317) ENCORE – Tom’s RR from Yesteryear #9 . Pt II: ACL – SAL – SCL

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 01:32:48 (317) ENCORE – Classic Diesel Barn #9 – Seaboard Freight ops

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 06:00:51 (317) ENCORE – Making of a RR Signalman, Cartoon & comments

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 07:35:09 (317) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 07:56:20 (317) Inclusive Post!, bear style

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 07:57:26 (318) ENCORE – Fallen Flag: Frisco

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 08:09:06 (318) Frisco streamlined sleeping cars

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 09:45:12 (318) Lars Report – and – ENCORE: BK’s page 200 Post

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 12:51:42 (318) ENCORE – Tom’s RR from Yesteryear #9, Pt I: ACL – SAL – SCL

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 12:57:32 (318) Saturday visit

(12) wanswheel Mike Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 13:08:44 (318) Orange Blossom Special & URLs

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 13:49:42 (318) Acknowledgments & Comments

(14) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 15:00:05 (318) ENCORE – CM3’s RDC Post from 15 Apr 2005, pg 2

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 15:42:46 (318) ENCORE – Tom’s British Railways ad from 8 Dec 2005 & comments

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 17:28:07 (318) ENCORE – SCL Streamlined sleeping cars

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 18:33:52 (318) Acknowledgments, etc.

(18) pwolfe Pete Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 20:39:46 (318) Nite Cap!




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!


NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!


. . . Sunday, April 30th thru May 6th: Cobb (1994) starring: Tommy Lee Jones & Robert Wuhl –and- Hoosiers (1986) starring: Gene Hackman, Barbara Hershey & Dennis Hopper. SHORT: Three Little Pigskins (1934).


Cobb (1994)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: Al Stump is a famous sports-writer chosen by Ty Cobb to co-write his official, authorized 'autobiography' before his death. Cobb, widely feared and despised, feels misunderstood and wants to set the record straight about 'the greatest ball-player ever,' in his words. However, when Stump spends time with Cobb, interviewing him and beginning to write, he realizes that the general public opinion is largely correct. In Stump's presence, Cobb is angry, violent, racist, misogynistic, and incorrigibly abusive to everyone around him. Torn between printing the truth by plumbing the depths of Cobb's dark soul and grim childhood, and succumbing to Cobb's pressure for a whitewash of his character and a simple baseball tale of his greatness, Stump writes two different books. One book is for Cobb, the other for the public.

from: http://www.imdb.com



Hoosiers (1986)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: A classic tale of redemption, this film features a volatile coach and a former star player-turned alcoholic leading a small-town basketball team on an improbable run to the Indiana high school championship game. Coach Norman Dale encounters several hurdles in his path: a feisty teacher determined to keep the best player from going out for the team, a town chock full of second-guessing fathers, and a group of undisciplined athletes. Story inspired by the Milan (Indiana) Indians' state title of 1954.
from: http://www.imdb.com



Three Stooges Short Subject: Three Little Pigskins (1934)

PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly
Moe, Larry and Curly are three out-of-work tramps who are hired to promote a university football team. They're soon mistaken for the school's famous star athletes, "The Three Horsemen." As the star athletes, the Stooges get hired by a gangster to secretly play on his professional team, but of course the boys know nothing about football and wind up bungling the game. Costarring Lucille Ball

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