"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have my usual bottomless draught, a round for the house, an an extra drink chip for Lars, the morning bartender! Since Peter has seemed to have destroyed lost his honey-do list, I've got a never ending supply of things that need to be done here! Nifty American Flyer catalog covers Mr. Tom!

And now ... this is a test of the Emergency Cartoon Association:

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a (Milk) and a round for the house. Particularly enjoyed the American Flyer picture of an NP PA. It would have been magnificent in 12" to the foot. To bad none of our Northwest Railroads never favored the PA. Imagine the Empire Builder with Alco PA's up front.
The GN did have some Alco FA's in passenger service for a short period assigned I believe to Interbay out of Seattle., before being sold to to the SP&S. Do remember seeing them occasionally in International service. I wouldn't swear to it without checking first but believe they had one FA-FB set equipped with steam generators the rest were freight service only.

TTFN Al

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

Our Gang / Little Rascals dialogue, breakfast at the orphanage

"Don't drink the milk!"
"Why?"
"It's spoiled."
"Don't drink the milk!"
"Why?"
"It's spoiled."
"You kids put that milk on your mush and eat it!"

Dave, 2 photographs of Western Pacific locomotive 94
http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/WP/WP_94.htm

Nick, here in living Sepia is the Rheidol Valley and Railway near Aberystwyth
http://ids.harvard.edu:8080/ids/servlet/imgdelv?id=1416228&buttons=y&viewheight=480&viewwidth=640

QUOTE: Originally posted by nickinwestwales

...The white patch in the background is`The Rheidol Stag`-a local landmark ,a clearing in the woods that,from a distance ( I.E. the train on the other side of the valley ) looks like a running stag...

Then there's the sheep
http://westwales.co.uk/graphics/sheep_bus.jpg
The skinnydipping elephants
http://westwales.co.uk/graphics/elephant.jpg
The Prince of Wales (locomotive)
http://westwales.co.uk/graphics/prince.jpg
And many photos at
http://westwales.co.uk/pictures/pix_list.htm

CM3, the toy museum, Remember the Alamo!
And the days when kids played cowboys and Indians.

Youngsters (Tom and Lars?) and their train set in the 1920s
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:RAD.SCHL:297970?buttons=y&viewheight=480&viewwidth=640

[siberianmo]

Good Evening Gents!

I have returned to the bar and appreciate the efforts of Lars ‘n Cindy to keep things “ship shape” in my rather prolonged absence! Many THANX! Lars you now occupy a page in ”Our” Place History as the 1st Customer-Guest Bartender we’ve ever had! [tup][tup][tup]

From the looks of things, I wasn’t missed at all – which is really what I had hoped; business (or none) as usual! [swg] Some guys apparently didn’t know the “deal” for today and that either means no reading or just – well, not reading! <grin>

A special THANX to Rob ‘n Pete 'n CM3 for the timely Posts and your efforts to keep things moving . . . Good job! [tup][tup][tup]

Ain’t no way that I want to get into a summarization of each ‘n every Post for the day, as that would surely defeat the purpose of this ‘day off’ for me! So, here’s a rundown of who was in since my last Post of this AM (not “counting” Lars . . . . I HAVE read ‘em all and enjoyed the various and assorted ‘stuff’!! [tup]

BudKarr BK
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:14:57

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:25:54 & 15:33:30

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:41:39 & 11:03:46

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 11:57:35, 12:26:31 & 17:58:54

barndad Doug
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 17:59:14

passengerfan Al
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:23:05

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:57:28


Many THANX to all who bought drinks, provided quarters and for the participation! [tup]


REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[West Coast S]

Afternoon all, Tom will have to access your message from a different system, expect a reply tomorrow and no, useually I don't delete without noting who the person is, oh well, hidden signs of advancing old age is my excuse and i'm sticking with it!!

Seems we had a grand time on WP Tuesday.

Rod did a great job with the SN operations, Now for some personal observations, I grew up in Pittsburg and knew the area well, as a love smitten teenager I had a love interest that resided in West Pittsburg, lacking a car, I would walk the SN right of way to her house. At that time (mid 70's) the trackage was intact from Pittsburg to Port Chicago, though I never saw a movement on it and nature was well at work to erase what man had put in place.

At that time these locations were out in the sticks, Mallard, site of the ferry approach was infested with a Hell's Angel encampment! Good thing I had connections!!!
I explored the area on foot and later by boat, only a few pilings remained, salt marsh grass covered the immediate area to a height of several feet. SN accessed it's ferry from a switch at West Pittsburg, a long pile trestle carried the slip approach across the marsh and several hundered feet over the river to the berth. Once at the slip, the double track terminate into one, the short siding was built on the final straight section and permitted making up/breaking up of freight consist.

If one walked the right of way from the abandoned Mallard connection, the former fill that was used to transation to the trestle was clearly visible, abit over grown, but the native grasses were much less agressive in this area, several deteroriated phone boxes still hung from the few poles that remained. Today development has erased the Mallard I and so many knew.

Dave

[siberianmo]

Yo Left Coast Dave!

Whazup[?] Two consecutive WEEKDAY days!! Careful, you might just become a "regular" again. [swg]

Don't even want to know what kind of a "system" or "procedure" you follow in order to access your Email - suffice it to say, you have one from me pending.

Yesterday is gone - it's TODAY we're talkin' about! But, given that this is coming to us via the faaaaaaaaaaar western reaches of this grand land - perhaps there's a time warp involved! [swg]

If you've taken the time to check the Posts along the way, you'll find that several of the guys appreciate your return and vast knowledge of our subject - Classic Trains! [tup]

Interesting bit of personal history and now we know "where" you "originated!" A train kinda guy from the get-go - lots of railroading in that part of the Keystone State - one of my favorite areas from way back when . . . Never walked the tracks to my "love interest's" place - but I've walked a few planks . . . [swg]

Have one on me! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Thursday - join us for breakfast – select a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board. Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and of course a large mug of steaming hot, freshly ground and brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

The jealous man soon learns to hate.


Info for the Day:


Railroads from Yesteryear –
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy (CBQ) arrives next Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:


TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

PONDERISMS


• I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.

• Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant.

• The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement.

• Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.

• There are two kinds of pedestrians: the quick and the dead.

• Life is sexually transmitted.

• Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.

• The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.

• Some people are like Slinkies. Not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

• Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
dying of nothing.


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 23rd thru Apr 29th: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Kathy Ross –and- The Sting (1973) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Robert Shaw. SHORT: Men In Black (1934).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 05:23:12 (315) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 06:07:38 (315) Standard for American Toy Trains, etc. & joke!

(3) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 06:30:52 (315) Lars has the Bar!

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 06:47:19 (315) Bear Talk!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 07:15:40 (315) Comments, etc.

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 07:46:56 (315) Lars has the Bar!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 08:16:12 (315) 5 Pike Perspective Pix

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 08:50:31 (315) Lars has the Bar!

(9) BudKarr BK Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:14:57 (315) BK Report!

(10) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:25:54 (315) Coalminer’s thoughts!

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:36:50 (315) Going off duty

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 10:41:39 (315) Inclusive :Post, etc.

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 11:03:46 (315) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 11:57:35 (315) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 12:26:31 (315) for Rob

(16) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 15:33:30 (315) PM visit

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 17:58:54 (315) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) barndad Doug Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 17:59:14 (315) Inclusive Post & Cartoon, etc.

(19) passengerfan Al Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:23:05 (316) Comments

(20) wanswheel Mike Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 18:57:28 (316) URLs for the Customers!

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 20:09:35 (316) Acknowledgments, etc.

(22) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 20:11:47 (316) Left Coast report!

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 20:43:05 (316) reply to Dave




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning this promising Thursday with the hope of rain in my area.[^] Tom, I'm going to pretend that yesterday never happened and have a double O.J. and and cuppa Joe to consumate the passing.[tdn] In my panic to get out the door, I ovelooked lars and you at your labors. That just ain't me. Some colleagues (volunteers) have been "dumping" their loads on me, making for a longer day and unsettled atmosphere. We'll see how this "shakes out" over the next week.

Surely enjoyed reminiscing with all of you yesterday. I had both A.F and Lionel periods of yore before succumbing to HO for greater accuracy and operations. My Alco FA and B (U.P.) balked and yanked the Lionel five car freight around. Remember those Lionel "over sized " trucks and wheel sets? But, that was yesterday and today is for new topics and it appears that Rob and me may have sown the seeds for a future treatise by West Coast Dave on S.N., T.S. and even possibly a Key System connection.[^] I found a cou[ple of URL's on these roads via Google. Apparantly, "O" gauge modelers took a great interest in the S.N. here in the East as well. Why not? The Road boasted the longest electrified mainline in the world at on point (Sacramento - Chico, CA). The box/steeple locos and interurban cars provided efficient, competitive service and had wide appeal to the Bay area residents of that era.

Fish and chips day! I wonder if I could place an order for Shrimp Tempura with accompaning vegis this p.m.? Mike, your links to the W.P and British sources really were "on target" as per usual, thank you. Again, I'm running near the "margin" this a.m. but hope to return at dusk. Pete, I'm not sure the Alco PA's in G.N. livery would stand-up to those great looking EMD's E-series. Okay, interruption number one and probably more to come. Boris give it a peal and I'm talking about old "99" not those weird duds you're wearing.[V] Happy rails.

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for milk and a Crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

Don't know what kind of Dr's they are assigning me these days. But they sure know how to torture someone. No coffee and I normally drink ten or twelve cups daily and milk . Haven't drank milk since can't remember when. But not ordinary milk just skim. On some mornings the water from the tap looks stronger than that stuff.

Enough of my complaining just had to get in another WP piece.

Western
Pacific
(WP)
Streamlined Dome Cars
by Al

The Western Pacific was the third owning and operating partner in the alliance (CB&Q-D&RGW-WP) that operated the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The Western Pacific was responsible for the operation of these trains between Salt Lake City, Utah and Oakland, California. The VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS initial terminal in Oakland was actually Oakland Pier where passengers boarded a Southern Pacific bay ferry for the last four miles of the trip to San Francisco. The WP part of the operation was 924 miles and in both directions the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR traversed Niles Canyon and the magnificent Feather River Canyon in daylight giving passengers spectacular views.
The WP owned 24-VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars initially; eleven were domes comprising seven Vista - Dome 46-leg rest seat coaches, two Vista - Dome Buffet Lounge Crew Dormitory cars, and two Vista-Dome Sleeper Lounge Observations.
The VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars were received in the last half of 1948 and first quarter of 1949. The VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS entered service from Oakland Pier and Chicago on March 19, 1949.
The following is a list of the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR cars owned by the Western Pacific.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company February – May 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

WP

811 SILVER DOLLAR

812 SILVER FEATHER

813 SILVER PALACE

814 SILVER SAGE

815 SILVER SCHOONER

816 SILVER SCOUT

817 SILVER THISTLE

Initially 811 SILVER DOLLAR and 812 SILVER FEATHER were the designated women and children’s coaches owned by the WP in this lot, the eighteen leg rest seats forward of the dome was reserved for women and children traveling alone or together. They were identical to the other Vista-Dome Coaches owned by the Western Pacific except they had a door in the passage way beneath the dome. Later this was removed and the reserved seating in these cars was treated as all other coach seating in the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP 7-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET 17-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

WP

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1948 – January 1949 Plan: 9511 Lot: 9659-021 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

WP

881 SILVER HORIZON

882 SILVER PLANET

On March 19, 1970 the final VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR departed from Oakland bound for Chicago. The train had lasted 21 years to the day and the Western Pacific had lost money for the past eight years on the train before being granted permission to discontinue the train.
Three months after the train was discontinued in June 1970 the WP sold all seven Vista-Dome coaches to Auto-Train. For further details on these cars see the Auto-Train chapter.
In April 1970 the BN owned Vista Dome Buffet Lounge Dormitory car 252 SILVER ROUNDUP burned while in the Oakland Coach yard. In settlement with the BN the WP transferred ownership of WP 831 SILVER CHALET to the BN. The car became second 252 but retained its WP name SILVER CHALET. The BN actually assigned BN number 804 to the car but it was never actually applied. See BN chapter for further details of this car.
After being stored in Oakland since the VISTA-DOME CALFORNIA ZEPHYR was discontinued the 832 SILVER HOSTEL was sold August 21, 1972 for use as the Train Stop restaurant in Blackfoot, Idaho. This endeavor sold the car to the D&RGW in 1975 where it was used as a parts source for the RIO GRANDE ZEPHYR (former CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR) cars. When the SP was bought out by the D&RGW the car became SP property October 13, 1988, the SP name was selected for the new company. Car SP832 not much more than a shell by this time was sold to Empire Builder private rail cars/Vista-Dome Adventures Hooper, Nebraska in 1994. Almost immediately the car was resold to Kasten/ Illinois Transit Assembly. Five years later in 1999 the car was sold to the Feather River Railroad Society Museum located in Portola, California where the car has remained since November 1999.
The 881 SILVER CRESCENT was purchased by Liquid Crystal Sugar Inc./ Jolly Rancher Candies in Wheatridge, Colorado in March 1972 for use as a company business car for the exclusive use of William Harmsen. For operation in Amtrak trains the car was assigned the number 800293 during this period of its existence. In March 1981 the car was donated to the Gold Coast Railway Museum in Miami, Florida.
On August 16, 1992 a tropical depression was born off the west coast of Africa, within 24 hours it had grown to the point where it was classified as a tropical storm and received the name Andrew, as it was the first of that season. The tropical storm moved rapidly west and northwest gaining strength all the while. Tropical storm Andrew became a full-blown hurricane on August 22, 1992 and two days later as a category 4 hurricane it slammed ashore on Florida’s east coast just south of Miami at 5:00AM. In this one of the most destructive hurricanes in U.S. history the Gold Coast Railway Museum received major damage too much of its equipment and structures. Among the damaged cars was the former WP 881 SILVER CRESCENT. The car was eventually sent to Illinois Transit Assembly for repair and restoration and was returned to the museum in 1998.
The 882 SILVER PLANET was initially sold to the Oregon Pacific & Eastern for excursion service out of their Cottage Grove, Oregon operation in February 1972. The City of Los Angeles purchased the car for a commuter operation in 1975 and renamed the car LA 108 SAN FERNANDO. The car entered service for its new owner in February 1978. The new service lasted six months and the car was stored in Los Angeles after that until 1987 when the car was sold to the Copper canyon Tours Company becoming CCTX 108 SAN FERNANDO. Sometime during its first few months of operation the car was renamed CHIHUAHUA. The car was transferred to Chihuahua Pacific ownership as partial payment for money owed. Soon after the car was transferred to the Ferrocarril del Pacifico who restored the sleeping car accommodations and assigned the car to Business car service out of Guadalajara. In the merger of the Mexican systems the car became National de Mexico 108.
Today, a group in San Luis Potosi, Mexico owns the former WP car. The group named Silver Creek International operates charters and the Dome Observation numbered 100 and named SAN LUIS is undergoing restoration as this is written.


TTFN Al

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Nearly 8:30 AM here on the “Island” and my Mets pulled out a “squeeker” over the hated Giants of San Francisco – land of nuts, fruits ‘n flakes! Ooooooops, that just came out! Politically incorrect that I have known to be! [swg] I see where my least favorite player hit another homer en route to the “Babe’s” record. Only a matter of time, if injuries or prison doesn’t interfere, that he’ll break “Hammerin’ Hanks” all time record. Pity.

Looks like yesterday turned out quite well and I’m impressed with the support shown throughout the day. We’ll have to do this again . . . .

My day ended quite late yesterday with “all kinds” of things to do. The Mrs. and I dined out – she deserved it. Nothing like a dog on a bun, with mustard & sauerkraut, a Nehi to wash it down, followed by a Good Humor bar! Big spender that I am – think nothing about it! [swg]

Glad to learn that you enjoyed your “time off,” Tom and I regret that my day became a bit cluttered thereby preventing me from finishing the ‘shift.’ Our gal Cindy “performed” admirably – or so I was told – and she was a huge help just by being here! [yeah][wow]

As mentioned yesterday, I really enjoyed those American Flyer catalog covers. To be honest, I think Gilbert’s products really did outshine Lionel. While the latter was the train of choice for so many and the marketing was terrific, those S-gauge trains of AF were wonderful toys. As with you, I spend many a day arguing with my friends over which was “the best,” my 3-rail or there 2-rail. The “battle” continues to this day.

Those URLs from wanswheel Mike were not only cleverly conceived, but “right on!” That pix of “Tom and I” reminded me so much of childhood – I think we had a carpet that looked just like that! Thanks! [tup][tup][tup]

Loved that cartoon from barndad Doug] – a daily feature, perhaps[?] ANYTHING other than those jokes[swg]

No sweat, Coalminer3 – I’m not Shane – Coal-what’s-his-face! – figured you’d recognize that I’m not Tom! [swg] Enjoyed those URLs you provided – the Marx references broght back many memories as well. Those toys could be found in all the “five & dimes” . . . we toy train Aficionados always looked down our noses at the “Marx crowd!” Snootiness begins at the earliest of ages and in the strangest of environments! [swg]

That barrel of Bathams beer for pwolfe Pete arrived just in time – but how many of you know that the way to “tap” it is just the opposite of the way we do it in North America. What’s with these Brits – they drive on the “wrong” side of the street, think warm beer is the cat’s meow and now mess around with the “tapping of the keg!” <grin>

For my “bookend” – just be careful what you order next time I’m behind the bar – you just may “get it!” [swg] Shaken, not stirred – yeah, right! <smile>

Sorry we missed on another trolleyboy Rob but you maintained the pace quite well with everything turning out better than expected. [tup]

Glad to see 20 Fingers back on line and hope to see more contributions now that he’ll be spending a bit more time at home. Hey – there’s all kinds of reading to catch up on and now you don’t have to worry yourself to distraction with other people’s problems – like tax preparation. Good Gawd Gertie (I like that one, Tom!) that subject alone makes me want to imbibe earlier than usual.

NO offense taken Theodorebear Ted – just pleased to know that you seem to be getting your “stride” back with more frequent appearances at the best bar in cyber space! [tup]


OK – I’ll have #3 from the Menu Board – another cuppa Joe and a couple of those great biscuits from the Mentor Village Bakery. Here’s a ten spot in the form of a roll of quarters for the juke jar now known as “Coal Scuttle.” [swg]


Hope to return this afternoon – have another “appointment” to keep with the Mrs.


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’ Gents!

A beautiful start to the day here in mid-Continent USA – blue skies, a chill in the air with temps expected to make it to 70 (F) later on. Rain predicted to be on the way – it’s needed, but NOT over the weekend! <grrrrrrr> Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” was $2.76 (rounded) after having been at $2.80. [wow] a drop . . . . Now I learn the electric companies across the land are going to hike their prices, with some areas already being “hit” by this reality of the 21st century. Round ‘n round she goes, and where she stops, EVERYONE knows – right IN your wallet (and mine!) [tdn]


What’s to say that hasn’t already been expounded on throughout the Posts[?] Another good day at the bar and all kinds of “good stuff” provided for our mutual enjoyment. [tup][tup][tup] I won’t repeat the accolades already provided, but suffice it to say, this is “Good!” [swg]


For Al – Hey, man! THIS IS CYBER SPACE – you can do as you please. Try not to let the reality of it all interfere with your having a good time. What you eat ‘n drink ‘round this joint has NO adverse impact on your health. So go ahead, imbibe away! [tup]
Nice contribution with the WP streamlined domes . . . [tup]

Good to see ya Bear Man! and not to worry – figured you either didn’t use the “Reload/Repost” feature and didn’t catch the “latest” OR you simply were in a hurry. Happens. By the by, your Email has been received – response sent. Thanx!

You can place an order for most anything ‘round here – the question is: Will the Chief Chef [C=:-)] be here to prepare it[?] [swg] I’ve heard that some customers have complaind about a “cement-like” taste to some of our evening specials. Hmmmmmm. [%-)]

Hey Lars Man! just caught your Post - had to "back this one out" and get in a word or two B4 Posting. [tup]

Good to see ya and that's a fine incluisve write-up you've provided. Takes the "heat off" of me - which you're doing quite well. THANX, Mate, for all the help - means a lot.

Go ahead and roll those quarters across the floor and watch Tex "do his thing!" That critter runs like crazy, but doesn't get anywhere on this slippery surface! It's hilarious! [swg]

Thanx for the rounds and quarters to all! [tup]


Okay Gents – here’s a round of OJ on me! Boris ring those chimes! [tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING -
The information you MISS may be for YOU!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lovely day in the coalfields - clear and cool. The K9 Korps went out early this a.m. and refused to go back in the house - O.K. by mom as they're not underfoot. BIG rollback on gas prices today - $2.91. BTW, Tom, AEP is filing for a rate increase but not as bad as some other utilities - they burn locally-produced coal. As you travel the WV Turnpike to Charleston, you come down a big hill right past the last set of toll booths. The road here is right beside Cabin Creek Jct. on the C&O. There's a big billboard at that site which says "Coal - It Keeps the Lights On..."

A few notices now.

pwolfe - Alton Towers material was fascinating. I accompanied a busload of heathens (my son and his classmates) to Busch Gardens at Williamsburg last year. They have a miniature railroad in the park there which has a British-appearing locomotive and cars. Delightful!

wanswheel provided a positive plethora of URLs - thanks for sharing.
barndad checked in with an excellent a SICK cartoon.
Lars had the bar and has been enshrined and recognized - way to go - BTW did you release Cindy yet?
And passengerfan has appeared with more WP material.
Theodorebear with reminiscences. It amazes me how a couple of pictures of old toy train equipment dredges up so many memories. I wonder if the younger set today will feel the same way about videogames when they get older.

Since there has been some talk here about the Sacramento Northern, our research department staggered into action.

The SN was listed (of course) with the Western Pacific in the Official Guide.

The entry for SN showed two "main" lines.

Sacramento-Marysville-Tarke-Chico (91.8 miles)
Concord-Pittsburg (via Port Chicago) 13.3 miles)

They also listed several branch lines
Riverview-Oxford (15.7 miles)
Dozier-Vacaville Jct. (8.7 miles)
Vacaville Jct-Vacaville (4.6 miles)
Vacaville Jct. - Willota (9.5 miles)
Sacramento-Woodland (17.2 miles)
Sacramento -W. Sacramento (0.3 miles), Dozier (28.2 miles), Montezuma (42.7 miles)
Live Oak - Peachton (11.7 miles)
Oroville Jct. – Curham (12.5 miles)
The SN had more than a few connections

Port Chicago-ATSF
McAvoy-SP
Sacramento-WP, SP, Cen. Cal. Traction
Marysville-SP, WP
Chico –SP
Clyde – Government Ry (formerly Bay Point and Clayton RR)

Port Chicago, of course, was the site of a horrific munitions explosion in 1944 (320 fatalities). There has been a lot of controversy abt. this over the years with all sorts of theories advanced about the disaster.

Here are a couple of websites that you can visit to find out more
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq80-1.htm

http://portchicagomutiny.com/history/history.html

Work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day!

An invigorating start to the day for our "pooch" as well. He loves these early morning temps and with the onset of what summer brings 'round these parts, it will be indoors and A/C for Juneau, the Wonder Husky! [swg]

Sacramento Northern one more RR I never heard of! Appreciate the continuing dialogue from those who are keeping this going . . . .[tup]

Quite a nostalgia trip for me as a result of the Post from our friend, CM3 (I'm not Shane!). I know of that area along the WVA Turnpike and do recall the "big hill" outside of Charleston. Usually spend the night there enroute my son's home in Virginia.

Busch Gardens at Williamsburg! Now there's a 'trip" fer sure, fer sure! My kids "grew up" in that place. We lived across the James River in Chesapeake (an area called Churchland where Portsmouth/Chesapeake abutted.) Anyway, back in those times (mid-70s) we spent quite a bit of time over at the amusement park. Always enjoyed the way they "did it" by having those international themes - Great Britain - Germany - Italy and France (if I recollect correctly). The food was terrific and the brew in the "authentic" beer garden tent was outstanding - as was the "ooooooompah music and dancers! Ah yes, fond, fond memories of days long, long gone. The kids were at "that age" where they could pretty much "do the park" without concern for them getting lost or into trouble. Just plain old good fun. Thanx for the memories! [tup]

The Port Chicago URLS are "must reading" for one and all!

Quarters and round much appreciated! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Mi-Morning Tom I know that you and Lars both like domes so thought I would throw this in for good measure.

Atchison
Topeka
&
Santa Fe
(AT&SF)
SAtreamlined Dome Cars
by Al

The Santa Fe owned a total of 20-dome cars, 6-short domes from Pullman Standard and 14-big domes from the Budd Company.
The Santa Fe went daily with the SUPER CHIEF in February 1948 with new sleeping cars and new sleeper Observations for four of the five consists.
At the end of 1950 the Santa Fe once again added new cars to the SUPER CHIEF receiving 7-new 36 seat dining cars 600-606 in November-December 1950. In December the Santa Fe received 6-Pleasure Domes with the famous Turquoise dining room numbers 500 - 505. These cars were coupled directly behind the new diners and the Turquoise room located in the forward part of the Pleasure domes was served from the dining car. During peak travel periods it served as extra dining space for twelve. At other times the Turquoise room was available for private luncheon or dinner parties. Many an evening the Turquoise rooms served as private cocktail lounges for Hollywood stars and their guests or captains of fortune 500 companies. This Turquoise room was located in the short end on the main floor and this was always the front of the car coupled to the dining car ahead. Beneath the dome of these cars was a lounge seating ten with bar. In the larger room at the rear of the car on the main level was a lounge with seating for 18. A desk and chair was tucked behind the stairway leading to the dome level.
The dome seating was unique to these dome cars, on each side in the center of the dome was four swiveling parlor seats revolving a full 360 degrees. At the front of the dome and the rear of the dome on each side of the aisle was a pair of seats. The two pair of seats at the rear of the dome faced rearward an unusual arrangement not found on any other short domes, except for those seats in the UP Dome Dining cars where half of the eighteen seats faced rearward at the tables. This gave the Santa Fe pleasure domes a seating capacity of 16. No other short domes built for any railroad seated this few, not even the UP Dome diners who seated 18 at tables in the domes.
These six cars were operated only in the SUPER CHIEFS and never ventured to any other Santa Fe train, although it is believed they operated on occasional business train specials on rare occasions as there was a spare if the SUPER CHIEFS operated on time.
When ordered from Pullman Standard the cars were to have PLAZA series names but were delivered with numbers only 500-505.
The intended names of these cars were as follows.

500 – PLAZA ACOMA

501 – PLAZA LAGUNA

502 – PLAZA LAMY

503 – PLAZA SANTA FE

504 – PLAZA TAOS

505 – PLAZA ZUNI

All six of the pleasure domes were sold to Amtrak in 1971 and were renumbered 9350 – 9355.
In 1954 the Santa Fe received 14 Big Domes from Budd between January and May 1954. The first eight delivered 506-513 featured 57 coach seats and an 18 seat lounge on the upper glassed in level and beneath the dome in the center of the cars lower level was a Buffet and lounge seating 28 with a double bedroom serving as quarters for the Courier Nurse.
The Santa Fe assigned one each to the Chicago – Oklahoma City CHICAGOAN - KANSAS CITYAN.
The other six of these Big domes were assigned to the EL CAPITAN train sets one per consist operating between Chicago and Los Angeles daily in each direction. These domes would be transferred to the CHIEF beginning in July 1956 when the EL CAPITAN became America’s first Hi-Level trains. These cars remained in the CHIEF until that train was discontinued in 1968. At that time three were transferred to the TEXAS CHIEF and operated between Chicago and Houston replacing that trains lounge cars.
The other six-Big domes delivered in 1954 were for a new train the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF between Chicago and San Francisco. This train inaugurated in May 1954 operated by the southern mainline the only CHIEF train operating on this line. The Big domes built for the SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF were identical to those built for the EL CAPITAN, CHICAGOAN - KANSAS CITYAN on the upper or dome level 57 coach type seats and 18 seats arranged in a lounge. The lower level of these cars featured a Buffet and lounge with only ten seats. A twelve-crew dormitory occupied the remainder of the lower level between the cars six-wheel trucks. These cars remained in SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF service until Amtrak discontinued the train.
Big dome cars 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, and 555 were sold to Auto-Train becoming their 540, 520, 521, 522, 523, 541, 524, 512, 513, 514, 515, 510, and 511 respectively. They wore the Red – White – Purple from 1972 until sold at bankruptcy auction in December 1981.
The Santa Fe retained 506 for its business fleet, being renumbered AT&SF 60 in 974. After the merger into the BN #60 was renumbered BNSF 31 in 1999 and the name BAY VIEW was applied to the sides of the car at that time.

TTFN Al

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

I want one and all to know that "IT" works! Yes, there is no doubt about it, "IT" works and works well!

So, what is this all about[?] The use of the REFRESH feature does indeed update the postings on the thread. When I logged in, my decision was to to directly to the bar by clicking on the post shown in the "window." That brought up a posting from this morning! Once I clicked the REFRESH feature one my operating system (WIN XP) I immediately was taken to the most current information, drastically different and updated from where I had been.

Barkeep, I would like a [i[]Southern Comfort on the rocks[/i] and let us not discuss "shaken not stirred" on this fine day! [swg] A round for the house and I also would prefer one of your half-sandwiches. Let me try one of those great looking roast beef, ham & swiss combinations on pumpernickel, and yes - a large pickle would be nice. I will require a draught with that when it is ready. Thank you.

I dug this up just a few moments ago when I noticed the posting from Al - it is not a dome, but this should bring a smile to anyone who happens to be a Santa Fe fan:

AT&SF F7A #49 (photo credit: undetermined)


I see that my "other half" has visited, thereby keeping me following him. A strange game we play, eh[?] [swg] Nice job with the "Guest Bartending," you will have to share your secret to success with me. <grin>

Those URLs were quite sobering and you would think we, as a people, would acknowledge the errors of the past in that situation. A terrible time for those men, a terrible blemish on the country, and past due for corrective actions - at least for the "record." Thank you CM3 - indeed an eye opener.

I would say that things are seemingly getting back to where they had been many months ago insofar as the customers are concerned. We have had two visits from Al this day - Ted appears to have resumed his rightful place as "sage" and the rest of the crew has taken on a bit of frequency in their postings. Very good to see. [tup]

Thank you, Sir Trolleyboy Rob for that caveat regarding the upright position while sitting on the "Reserved or Permanent stools." I shall try my level best to uphold the image - thankfully the belting and bolting systems will enhance that effort quite nicely! A Mentor Village engineering marvel of the 1st degree! [swg]

I enjoyed that cartoon, Sir Barndad Doug - a good choice to get a few smiles! [tup]

I pass this for anyone who has not availed themselves of a visit to our Proprietor's "other thread" (as he terms it). You are indeed missing something. There is an opportunity for those of you creative people to use another venue for the display of your fine works. The thread seems to be thriving and appears to be closing in on 1,000 postings. Not bad for something that began as an experiment.

As with here, Captain Tom does not encourage the ignorant, rude or other undesirables to stick around. Therefore, it too is a cozy little place for a chance to encore your works. Another nice feature is that your postings do not get "lost" so quickly as they do here, as the contributions are only several per day. Easier to review, and so on.

Have some chores to attend to and then down the mountain once again. Therefore, I must curtail my leisure time with the hope that each of you enjoys good health, prosperity and warm associations.

Cheers!

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

[LoveDomes]

And then, Q-U-I-E-T, shhhhhhhhhh, you'll wake the Proprietor!

Hello Kapitan Tom and apparently no one else!

Back for a 2nd visit and I'll take a Keith's Ale - nothing to eat, thanks. Been a long day, once again - and we're gonna do it again tomorrow afternoon. Ugh.

Man oh man, has anyone noticed the absolute inundation on our Forum of those JO's with their incessant questions and polls[?] It's really getting out of hand. Yeah, I know, don't "visit 'em" - and I don't. Sure makes me angry, though and I wi***he Kalmbach people would crack down on these characters who have no identities or ways to communciate with 'em. Oh, if I ran the world! [swg]

No ballgame today - off day. So, I'll try to catch up on stuff 'round the house instead of "vegging" in front of the tube.

Good to see that BK seems to have returned to the fold and while I know it's only short term, makes for some interesting reading. You are only weeks away, still time to change your mind! [swg] Only kidding - you seem to be quite happy with this "new life" of yours and of course I wish you and your lady all of the best . . . [tup]

I liked that Santa Fe diesel - those warbonnet colors sure were "purty!" Too bad Trainnut484 Russell doesn't stop by any more - for he has all kinds of great AT&SF pix . . . Nicely done, BK! - imagine how far you've come since your 1st visit here[?]

Two posts in one day from 20 FIngers! - now that's a good sign! Not only helps out here at the bar, but brings to mind some vivid recollections - for some. [tup]

Just wanted to check in - but I best be scramming outta here before the Mrs. raises the Dickens! Things are a bit stressed lately with all these afternoon appointments. Women! <groan>

Until the next time!

Lars

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a double CR and a round for the house. Took Toms advise after all it is only cyberspace.

Lars if you ever figure out wives please write a book . Guaranteed to make you an instant millionaire.

Really liked the warbonnet picture thanks. I have to agree with many who think it was the finest passenger scheme of all.

I guess I am going to have time on my hands so will try and frequent Our Place more often. Am starting to get used to all this.

Just got company will get back later.

TTFN Al

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams that LARS has tapped it is a good barrel[^] and some Fish'n' Chips for later please, hopefully [C=:-)] NICK's but H&H's fish are OK, even if they wern't I dare not tell them that[:-^].

MIKE Thanks for the great links. I think the Prince of Wales loco photo was when it was still owned by BR. It is sometimes forgotten that BR ran the 3 Vof R steam locos for quite a few years after steam was finished on the main line. Perhaps NICK can tell us when BR finally sold the line. The link to the Welsh photos is one I shall return to again[tup].

More great WP with DAVE"s and TED's memories, CM3 info of the Sacremento Northern and AL's WP Dome cars, good info on what happened to the cars when their California Zepher days were over. Thanks also AL for the Santa Fe and BK for the photo[tup].

CM3 Glad you liked the Alton Towers post looking at the link brought back memories for me. I had a look at the Busch Gardens site and there was only one photo of the steam loco and that was not a close up, it does look European and I wonder if they got it from the UK. It looks a great park and it brought some good memories for TOM.
Those Port Chicago links were most sad and thought prevoking.

Good to see Lars and Al in again I had better tidy up before the bride gets back or, as we say in England "I shall be in the CART"
.
TOM Those ponderisms are good and oh so true[tup]. By the way what are "Slinkies"[?]

Well I'll have another Bathams and I,ll get a round in PETE.

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin' Gents!

Can't believe I've stayed out of the conversations since this AM - I've been tending bar, and simply letting the flow "go!"

For Pete check this out:
http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/slinky.htm

Received your Email - thanx! [tup] Didn't realize you've been a "bachelor" - guess I just didn't pick up on itl. Would've been a great time for you to come here! We gotta do better at coordinating our activities, Mate! [tup]

Good to see the diversity of visitors and Posts this fine day. Appreciate the rounds from you guys and that sound I love to hear - "Ka-ching, ka-ching. Music from Tilla 'n Cashinator [swg]

Appreciate the AT&SF streamlined domes from Al and glad to see he's back in form with the Crown Royal! [tup] [swg] Three visits in one day is indeed a rare event, but most welcome! [tup]

Nice Pix from BK - yes, he's come a looooooooong way since those early days (daze!). We've turned him into an "enthusiast" of sorts. [tup] We'll surely miss having you around, but this step you are taking is a big one. Kinda like stepping off that mountain you're living on! <grin> Only kidding . . . . I share the sentiments previously stated and wish you and your bride-to-be the BEST! [tup]

Lars As always, your visits to the bar really are helping to keep us "up on the Forums page." And yes, I've noted the avalanche of crap from those JOs with their nonsense. I just hope our guys keep away from those Threads - no need to enable them any further than they already are.

Don't expect Kalmbach to take a stand on anything like that - unless it gets to "flaming" someone, or profanity in the 1st degree - they aren't about to put the brakes on the crap. Just one of those "unintended consequences" of the technology. Someone takes the time to come up with a great idea and there's always someone to stretch it way beyond the intent.

REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Boris Ring the bell - and let's get some of those pitchers of brew movin' to the pool room - I see the Track Gang's are comin' in . . . . Fish 'n Chips are "smoking ready!" and they aren't from H&H these are MINE! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place RR Book Relay!




Status report:

The sixth mailing is complete with the return of the book to me from pwolfe Pete.

Route of the book:

Chesterfield, MO, USA - to –
Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales, UK - to –
Crystal Lake, IL, USA –to –
Brantford, Ontario, Canada – to –
Pinellas Park, FL, USA – to –
Jefferson City, MO, USA – to –
Chesterfield, MO, USA


Thanx to Nick – Doug – Rob – Ted ‘n Pete for participating!

As a token of my appreciation, I will provide you with a copy of the “comments” made by all who received the book. Watch for it by Email!



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house

CM3, thanks for links. Because World War II history focuses on
battles and such, we just didn't learn this kind of stuff in school.

Port Chicago before the explosion
http://www.usmm.org/images/unloadtrain.gif
http://www.usmm.org/images/dockbefore.gif
Ammunition arrived by train from Hawthorne, Nevada, where it was made, then held in boxcars between protective barriers, and when needed, a train was moved onto the pier, which accommodated 2 ships. At the upper left are the concrete revetments which protected the boxcars. At upper right are the barracks about one mile from the pier. Lower left, one ship at dock.

Now I don't know if all of what follows is true but it sounds plausible:

The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5
inches. That's an odd number, don't you think? Why was that 'gauge'
used?

Because that's the way they built railroads in England, and English
expatriates built the US Railroads. Why did the English build them like
that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the
pre-railroad tramways, and that's the 'gauge' they used. Why did "they"
use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools
that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay!
Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break
on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the
spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England)
for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in
the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to
match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were
made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel
spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches
is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war
chariot.

And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a
specification and wonder what horse's***came up with it, you may be
exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide
enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses.

Hamm train station
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/28/13/28-1231a.gif

Amelia Earhardt
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:RAD.SCHL:317040?buttons=y&viewheight=480&viewwidth640

Santa Fe
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/20th/skytop02.jpg

Sacramento Northern
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/ramon-2.jpg

[siberianmo]

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• In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.

• How is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?

• Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?"

• Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there? I'm gonna eat the next thing that comes outta its butt."

• Why is there a light in the fridge and not in the freezer?

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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 05:21:11 (316) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 06:43:43 (316) The talking Bear!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 07:36:20 (316) Comments & WP Streamlined Dome Cars

(4) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 07:56:27 (316) Lars Report!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 08:29:49 (316) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 09:20:43 (316) Shane CM3 Report!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 10:06:13 (316) Acknowledgment, etc.

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 12:54:09 (316) Streamlined Domes of the AT&SF

(9) BudKarr BK Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 14:07:34 (316) BK Report & Pix

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 17:59:48 (316) Lars report, part duex!

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 18:48:58 (316) 3rd visit today!

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 18:56:44 (316) Wolfman Howls!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 20:30:22 (316) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 21:07:56 (316) RR Book Relay – status!

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 22:38:24 (316) URLs ‘n more!




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the early risers. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor bakery.

Enjoyed this morning ponderisms.

It's kind of nice to get up early and know that I don't have anywhere I have to be for the entire day and do nothing but sleep and relax. I could get used to this real easy. Anyway it will give me a chance to catch up on writing and research, something I haven't been able to do for some time now.

We have a Farmers Market that opens in the heart of the city every Friday beginning today and will be open every Friday until October. In past years it has been just great and will probably wander around that for a couple of hours buying healthy things to eat. Wife says my eating habits are going to take a drastic change in direction.

I guess my rambling will cost me a round for the house this AM so will put the money on the bar now. Heres a couple dollars for the Jukebox as well.

Well time to get a move on around here and at least read the Morning Paper. Boredom is beginning to set in.

TTFN Al

[Anonymous]

My, my, what a yesterday? So many good things happening and more and more action between our honorable personnel. 5 X [tup]. Tom, let me try on a #3 for size this a.m., please. Hey, the early CanAm mail/express arrived and you have a message. Lars done good and keeps the "flow go" hereabouts. Surely is appreciated and I know our "steamed" Proprietor appreciates the support.[tup] So the "Book Realy" made it full circle, eh? Oh, that we could be so well traveled as that book, eh? Doug, the cartoon has special reference here in "Gator" country. Thankfully, the days of once living animal apparel has abated here and is discouraged more and more overseas. It is all kinda creepy when you think of it, isn't it? Still, a good tsk, tsk, tsk.[:D]

In no particular order, I'd like to recognize some "highlights" that came across "big time" for me. CM3, the Port Chicago tragedy spoke volumes of the nearly hysterical years of W.W. II. We often recall only the "pulling together" of Americans for a common cause, winning a war. Too often, that "sinking feeling" of the blatent inequalities which were the "rule" not the "exception;" brings us back to reality. Thanks for the needed "jolt" for us to remember the humility and empathy so sadly lacking during those dark days.[tup] Mike, I haven't had time to delve into all the URL's, re: Port of Chicago and some previous, but I appreciate the "thumb nail" of the standard gauge size of R.R.'s. Yes, your summary holds up to historical scrutinity very well.

I want to get to Pete, BK, Lars, Al, Rob and Dave various posts which deserve more than just a casual mention. They are all made of the stuff we admire and I will return for proper accolades when time allows it.[v] Until then, happy rails and let's all think good thoughts.

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’ Gents!

Another fine looking morning here in mid-Continent USA – blue skies, chirping birds, playing squirrels, scurrying chipmunks, mating rabbits, quacking ducks, honking geese, hooting owls, barking dogs and yeowling cats. All sights ‘n sounds from the “south forty” and all about to drive me nuts – nuts, I tell ya! <argggggggggggggh> [swg]

Okay, where was I[?] Ah, yes – Good mornin’ one and all! [tup]

A rather interesting mix from wanswheel Mike to close out the night . . . URLs always “right on” and captivating.

Early morning visits from both “coasts” – left ‘n right. Now that’s a bit unusual, but a nice way to begin the day! [tup]

Hey, Al please don’t let the boredom drive you to those threads created by the JOs – c’mon, you’re feeding the very ones who are destroying these Forums. Stick with us here and on “my other thread!” Anyone Posting without a way to contact them, without an identity and without a geographic location is saying “volumes” and to me it spells – AVOIDANCE!

Your E-mails have been received, Ted and we’re into the “countdown” fer sure, fer sure.

Remember how we anguished over the airline fares this past fall[?] Well, we should consider ourselves fortunate that we made ‘em far enough in advance to have avoided the horrendous increases of today. Makes me wonder aloud, so if the “traveling public” cannot afford to fly, and the planes are seemingly always “over booked,” what’s the alternative OTHER than not going[?] There isn’t any for long distance travel. Once upon a time there were all kinds of reliable passenger railroads linking us to all kinds of interesting and far flung places.

I’m happy that I at least had the opportunity to travel aboard a few of those fine trains – not for fun necessarily, but simply as a means to get from one place to another. The fun stuff came much, much later when my wife and I began our rail trips in Canada. Anyway, I’ll always revere the experiences and cheri***he memories! [tup]


I urge one and all to consider our “rules” about avoiding any “hot button issues” that detract mightily from what this Thread was created for and many strive to support. I don’t live my life with blinders on, nor do I fail to acknowledge the wrongs along the way, whether it be my country, myself or humankind. Let’s keep on track and stay “light” with the banter and “heavy” with the Classic Trains! [tup]


I expect to be here for the remainder of the day . . . . so, don’t be shy – let’s get some orders in for breakfast, B4 you head out into that cruel, cruel world! [swg]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the hosue and $ for the jukebox.

'Nother lovely day in the coalfields - we had frost this a.m. - rule here is never plant the garden until after Memorial Day. Tom - half of the K9 Korps went out early this a.m.; big one stayed in until it was time for his a.m. ride to school with the Huns.

Passengerfan - Thans for the ATSF domeology. As I have mentioned before, Grandma was a diehard fan of the El Cap - she always said it was a "friendly" train.

BK gave us a beautiful ATSF picture.

Lars - Whaddya mean there was no ballgame - Cards played (right Tom?) and, mercifully, the Red Sox were blacked out on the MLB Extra Innings package on our cable system. The powers that be consider us to be in the Cleveland and Cincinnati marketing areas, but the way the Olde Towne Team has been playing...

Wanswheel - Thanks for the kind words.

Check out the movie listings - Cobb, Hoosiers and Three Little Pigskins. The last is great for NFL draft time. Mom (aka the world's Greatest Football Fan) already has charts, drinks, and sandwiches ready - won't see her for most of the weekend, so I guess I'll head for the theatuh.

I don't "shill" for magazines, but the June issue of Trains arrived this a.m. I call attention to the CGW picture on p. 82 and the CP picture on p. 84. There's also a couple of better than average pieces on Metroliners and NKP 765.

The Metroliners were, of course, the rage of the age. I can remember buying tickets for them in Nashville. This was, of course, an offline city. The ticket agent had to contact PC for a "Metoliner Code" which was written onto a paper ticket.

Sometimes I rode the flying machine from Nashville to Washington (American Airlaines flew Caravelles on this route - anybody out there remember that aircraft), and then rode NEC from Washington to Boston.

Metroliners ran as far as NY and then I'd generally take the "Merchants Limited" from NY to Boston as it still had a full diner. Anyway, the Metro was a fun ride. I got a chance to ride in the cab once between Washington and IIRC. Newark. It was high tech for the time with a digiatal speedometer and lots of bells and whistles. Closing with another train at speed was truly interesting.

Later on some Metroliner trips ran up to New Haven. By this time I was back living in Boston and used to travel down to New Haven to take pictures. I have somewhere in the stack of stuff slides with Metroliners and GG1s in the same shot as ATK ran G motors into New Haven.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Just wanted to acknoweldge anyone who's been in B4 I head out to take care of the "south forty." Looks like the skies are greying up - wx forecasts appear to be on the money. Rains are on the way for this PM and all weekend. Hope the ballgames get played! [tup] Critters and green and flowery things need the precip! [swg]

Glad someone is taking in the Emporium's double features PLUS Short Subjects! [swg] Cobb is a great flick and one that simply didn't get the billing in these parts because of "politically correct" opposition to what I believe was a rather truthful depicition of the way the man was. A bigot in every sense of the word. So, I ask - what's wrong with viewing the truth[?] Oh yeah, we are speaking of Hollywood - how foolish of me to forget! <groan>

I only traveled the Metroliner one time and that was from DC to Newark, NJ back in 1981. I had flown to DC from these parts and planned on taking the train, since it had been decades that I had traveled that route. It was an uneventful trip, although I must've looked like a kid with my nose pressed against the window - watching those poles and other "things" pass by . . . [swg]

Cards are doing well - but I must keep telling myself that it's far too early for excitement to overtake reality. I generally get "into" it in August insofar as making my "wagers" regarding who will and who won't . . . [swg]

Hockey playoffs are underway and 'round here you'd never know it. The big news is that our minor league team - The River Otters (who play in St. Charles, MO) are folding the tent. Seems that the UHL team cannot get the attendance needed to keep 'em going. A shame, for the kids (for the most part) played good games. Last year the KCity Outlaws bit the dust in the same league. That followed by a few years the total collapse of the IHL, which had a great following in KCity. Heck, the Blades won the Turner Cup at one time and were really competitive. As with the passenger RR scene - gone, gone, gone! [tdn]

Juneau the Wonder Husky has been driving me to distraction with his incessant "callings" for me to take him outside. There's no way we'd let him run loose - not around here - plus there are leash laws, etc. Anyone who understands Huskies knows they don't come back when on the run! His knowledge of the outside is limited to being on the long end of a 25 ft retractable lead. Works. [swg] Dogs - gotta love 'em! Sure provides me with a great friend and companion . . . [tup]

E-mail on the way to all who participated in the RR Book Relay! - contains the comments of the guys . . . . [tup]

Okay - 'nuf of this. I gotta get movin' . . .

Who's behind the bar[?] My gal Cindy popped in to say that her next class isn't until this afternoon and she needed to get away from the place. How nice that she chose "Our" Place!! [swg]

Tom[C=:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

Time for a little lunch and that steak sandwich platter looks really fine! Skip the "French" fries - but if you have "Patriot" fries, we will be glad to have those! [swg] (No political message there!) Oh, yes, medium rare for both - I will have a Kokanee and a glass of white wine for my lady if you please. Ah yes - a round on me and please just deposit the change in the "Sack o' Cash" - if it has not been depleted and discarded that is! [swg]

Did I ever tell you that my copy of the "Trains" photo book arrived[?] Wonderful spread of photographs from all over the world. This fellow must have had an unlimited budget, for there does not seem to be a train of note (or obscure ones for that matter) that somehow failed to wind up in his chronicle. Of course, coming from a novice such as I, any of my comments are simply from a different vantage point than your "team of experts" who were fortunate enough to get in on your "good deal." Nice touch, Tom and as always, your unselfishness toward trying to make this a better place for all seemingly has no bounds. Good show! [tup][tup][tup] (Do I get a drink on the house for those accolades[?]) [swg]

Do I see LoveDomes peeking in[?] Come on - check in - we'll have two of the "Horsemen" present! [tup]

Al has provided some fine material on the SAL over on your "other thread" and he has even begun to put them out in parts! [tup] [swg] Anway, here is a photo that I found of a passenger train from years past - thought the guys might enjoy it over here:

SAL EMD E7A #3025 (from: www.trainweb.org


Enjoyed the postings from all this day and especially liked the Sir Coalminer entry. I too traveled aboard the MetroLiner - but always for business. They had a nice set up for people wanting to get some work done (which was always the case for me) and my trips were up and down the "corridor." [tup]

You may enjoy this, Captain Tom - we are strongly considering becoming the "parents" of two Husky pups. I understand they are singularly minded - which is just what I need in this stage of my life - "mind games" with dogs! [swg] Nothing definite at this stage, but we know of a person who has her dogs bred and she is a close friend of my lady, and . . . . We shall see!

When I read through the postings I come away with a feeling that I have missed out on so much with regard to the leisure activities many of you take for granted. All work and VERY LITTLE play in my career that spanned more than several decades! (You figure out what "several" might mean!) [swg] Always enjoy the side comments and am trying to "fit in" . . .

If I may, I would like to chime in with some comments regarding life in general: Too many times on the forum threads I have come across all kinds of gnashing of teeth and wringing of wrists over all things spanning A thru Zed. I mean it gets absolutely nauseating to me how there are no bounds to the "dumping" of opinions and the like - most totally unrelated to the intended use of the forums by our host, the Kalmbach people. Here is the substance of where I am going: Get a life people! Life is NOT fair, it never was, it never will be and as long as there are humans inhabiting this tiny planet within the entity known as the Universe, we will be competing for the limited resources enabling us to climb that ladder to a better life (or whatever it is we strive for).

Ring the bell Boris - here is a twenty for being [#offtopic] and on my [soapbox] - a round on me! [tup]

Time to check out and I really thought my "bookend" would have signed in . . . .

Good weekend one and all - I shall try to pay a call on each day.


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

[LoveDomes]

G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Ommmmmmmigosh! I WAS peeking in – but only to ascertain what I needed to do in order to keep “whatever” the subject might be. Spent lots of time reading through what I missed since my last visit and then over at the “other thread,” etc. Sorry, Budd – we’ll have to figure a way out to get some real 2-way dialogue going – 3-way would even be better if the “boss” could be on with us! [yeah]

The Mrs. had her appointment rescheduled for next week, so I’m “somewhat” free right now. Doubt seriously that will last . . . [swg] Man oh man, I’d hate to have her as the Bos’n aboard my ship! There’d be mutiny, big time! <grin> While I’m waiting for her “shriek,” I’ll have one of my hero specials if you please – yeah, that’s it – hard bread – ham ‘n Swiss, buttAH ‘n mustAHd, with two large pickles from the barrel. G’won and give Tex a small bowl of the “brine” – he’ll love it! [swg] Drink[?] Let me try one of those Kokanees that Budd ordered . . . . Thanks! [tup]


Doesn’t appear there’s much room for me to jump in with my comments regarding “reality vs idealism.” But I WILL [swg]] - Just seems that whenever an historical injustice crops up – and there have been MANY – some are H-bent on passing that guilt on to present generations. No thank you – I’m not a part of what happened nor do I endorse the way “it” was handled. But you know what, I can remember the epithets being “thrown” my way as a kid – “squarehead” this and “squarehead” that. Sure – not as inflammatory as other negative descriptors, but depending on just “where one was in life” back then, they were bothersome, hateful and created all kinds of not-so-nice situations for a developing kid. You know what[?] That’s just life – that’s just the way it WAS. Some of us can “get over it,” whereas others can’t or won’t. My VOTE is to keep this kind of stuff away from the bar – we’re supposed to be about good natured banter and “Classic Trains!”

Ok – ring it for me too Boris! Here’s a couple of ten spots to cover the tab . . . [tup]


Add me to the list of Metroliner travelers. Back in my sailing days, there were times where Baltimore and other ports other than New York were either the beginning or ending for the voyages. Rather than drive or fly, I’d opt for the train and always took the Metroliner. Aside from not having any “domes” – it was a nicely outfitted train! [swg]

Is it me, or has Coalminer (I’m not Shane) Coal-what’s-his-face begun to provide some great summaries of past posts[?] Coupled with the daily SUMMARIES, one really “knows” just what has taken place during the previous day. Nicely done! [tup]

I share those sentiments from my “bookend” regarding the “Trains” book. As mentioned, I have that book and since have retrieved it for a 3rd or 4th review. I don’t have a critique as such, but just offer this: it is what it is! A picture book by a guy who apparently isn’t an Aficionado with regard to trains – but well versed enough to have provided some great diversity and most interesting views. I like it and think that those of you who had the opportunity to have it in your possession were indeed fortunate! Well done, Kapitan! [tup][tup][tup]

BK “let me say this about that” (a famous quote of our late President Kennedy) – you are in no way remiss in “fitting in” ‘round this joint. I’ve taken the liberty to research your posts – along with pretty much everyone elses – B4 I “joined” the group – and thought then and still do – that you provide a perspective vital to any discussion. The “novice” point of view ain’t all bad – keeps we “experts” in check. NowutImean[?] [swg]

Spectator Sports[?] Hey, happens once you find that sex isn’t a 24-hour a day option! [swg]

Ok- I’ll ask: WHERE’s ROB ‘n NICK [?][?][?] One guy is up to his ears in whatever he does for a living up there in Ontario, and the other better NOT be up to his in cement! <grin>


Here’s a pix from me, now that BK “started” something . . .


SAL EMD GP9 #1970 heading up the motive power (from: www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Two of my "dependables" arrived for the afternoon's bill o' fare . . . welcome, Gents! [tup]

Nice touch with the Pix of the Sal diesels from both of you! [tup]

So, BK what's with this nonsense of feeling inadequate[?] That surely doesn't sound like you at all! Must be the mountain air! Gotta get you back down to where the pollutants are! [swg] Ain't no way your contributions are any less meaninful or looked forward to than anyone elses. Always appreciate your" forthrightness" based on life's experiences, education and common sense. A huge dose of that would do all of us some good in our respective lands. [tup]

Lars Don't look a "gift horse in the mouth," as the saying goes! Free time is for idling away at whatever flicks your switch. Surely you've "instructed" the 1st Mate all about that adage by now[?] [swg]

Appreciate the 'endorsement' of "bar policy" regarding leaving the emotional and other baggage checked outside the joint. Works much better for us all . . . [tup]

A bit of activity over at "my other Thread," and thanx to you two and 20 Fingers it keeps rolling along. That comment regarding how the Posts remain for awhile longer without being quickly "lost" due to volume of material is definitely a "plus." It is, after all, an "Encore" site . . . if we attract some "new blood" for this place, we're ahead of the game.

Nice supporting stuff from the both of you regarding the Trains book. (Are you two in collusion or something[?] Sure seems so . . . . ) Anyway, couldn't have summed it up any better. It is a picture book and it is interesting and it is well done. 'Nuf said.

Okay boyz, I'm going to tidy up behind the bar and wait for the evening's onslaught. The Can-Am Track Gang is taking on the CP Gandy Dancers in our end of the month Pool Tournament - should be a riot - oooops, poor choice of words! [:O]

Thanx for the rounds and quarters from all who contributed to our Coal Scuttle!


Tom[4:-)][oX)]