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[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a steaming hot cup of coffee and one of those diet pastries from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #8

TWIN STAR ROCKET CRI&P trains 507-508 Minneapolis - Houston daily each direction 1363 miles each direction 26 hours 30 minutes either way.

The TWIN STAR ROCKET was the only new streamlined train permitted to enter service during WW II after 1942. The new train became the longest north - south train route in the United States with its northern terminal at Minneapolis, Minnesota and southern terminal at Houston, Texas.

The name of the new streamlined train was TWIN STAR ROCKET and was derived from its terminal states Texas being known as the Lone Star State and Minnesota as the North Star State.

To get the equipment necessary for the new trains the CRI&P assigned the two Rocket train sets from the KANSAS CITY - MINNEAPOLIS ROCKETS since their route would be covered by the new trains. The third train set was one of the the TEXAS ROCKET train sets that had operated between Kansas City and Dallas. This route would also be covered by the new TWIN STAR ROCKETS. The other TEXAS ROCKET train set was then assigned to operate a daily round trip ROCKET service between Kansas City and Oklahoma City.

The new TWIN STAR ROCKET operated the Minneapolis - Kansas City segment in daylight hours so initially no sleeping cars were operated between these points. At Kansas City the southbound TWIN STAR ROCKET added a lightweight 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom sleeping car for the overnight run to Houston. The northbound TWIN STAR ROCKET operated another 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car between Houston and Kansas City. The two lightweight streamlined 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars originally assigned to the TWIN STAR ROCKETS were FOREST CANYON and THOMPSON CANYON originally built for the ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET for service between Kansas City and Denver.

Major cities served by the TWIN STAR ROCKETS between Minneapolis and Houston were St. Paul, Albert Lea, Des Moines, Kansas City, Topeka, Wichita, El Reno, Fort Worth, and Dallas.

The Rock Island powered the new TWIN STAR ROCKETS with EMD E6A units from other scheduled trains. Each train set was assigned a heavyweight Baggage 30'Railway Post Office Car and streamlined dining cars taken for the GOLDEN STATE trains they were known as the CACTUS series as all three were named for Cactus 422 YUCCA, 423 SAHUARO, and 424 OCOTILLO. It would be 1948 before the TWIN STAR ROCKETS became fully streamlined.

CONSIST ONE

627 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

800 Heavyweight Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

404 ARROWHEAD Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32-Revenue Seat Coach
304 CHIPPEWA Articulated 76-Revenue Seat Coach

424 OCOTILLA 47-Seat Dining Car

620 FOREST CANYON 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Kansas City - Houston)

454 MINNESOTA 28-Revenue Seat Coach Bar 24-Seat Parlor Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

628 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

801 Heavyweight Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

405 MESABI Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32-Revenue Seat Coach
305 IOWAY Articulated 76-Revenue Seat Coach

422 YUCCA 48-Seat Dining Car

621 THOMPSON CANYON 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - Kansas City)

455 MISSOURI 28-Revenue Seat Coach Bar 21 -Seat Parlor Lounge Observation

CONSIST THREE

629 EMD E6A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

803 Heavyweight Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car

402 CHEROKEE STRIP Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32-Revenue Seat Coach
302 SUNFLOWER STATE Articulated 76-Revenue Seat Coach

423 SAHUARO 48-Seat Dining Car

452 LONE STAR 28-Revenue Seat Coach Bar 24-Seat Parlor Lounge Observation

TTFN AL

[nickinwestwales]

Help-I claim sanctuary,they`ll never find me here-If needed I will be out back,skulking behind Boris` lair.
Yet another weekend of last-minute "modifications" to the game plan. Extra shifts behind the bar in the rugby club for the autumn internationals ( Jo-Burg girl guides 117,Wales 3 [sigh] ) and a private party ( band so drunk they had to play sitting down,guests so drunk they didn`t notice ) followed by a gig on sunday ( dont ask ) then small demon Hannah`s birthday yesterday,hopefully twitching will stop with appropriate meds.
Rather like the notion of prepping for the ladies back in the galley,gives me a chance to see some authentic American cuisine being prepared-never stop learning [^]
So,to matters of import--DOUG,congrats on your well deserved elevation,drinks are on me !!
SIR THEODORE-glad to have you back the same shape you left,hope the new meds are working for you,nice work on the civil war ( now there`s an oxymoron for you ) piece-a period of history which I`ve never had the leisure to study..P.S-E-Mails rec-I think we know where the Cleveland copper clapper klepto stashed the loot [swg]
CHANDLER ROB-good call on the menu,although having seen our Carpathian castaway`s prowess with firearms the bird may well require sewing back together before cooking...............P.S-enjoying the C.N.R ops [tup]
Ah,[4:-)]TOM-there you are ,a large mug of the finest Darjeeling please whilst I shake down some bacon butties-Will you try a wee drop of something to keep out the cold ?
Have to say,I`m with you on the subway car liveries-to my eye the `box-car` red looks better than the `red bird`-but then us Brits are used to more muted colours.
Couple of questions,-where did you source your F40`s and how many road# were available -very neat job if done `in-house` [tup] also ( await howls of derisive laughter here) those E8`s-Authentic or "In-a-perfect-world"-I only ask as I`ve never seen a pic of one-certainly suits the colour.
By-the-bye,like the VIA caboose-M.O.W service perhaps,or mobile staff accommodation ?
AL-with you leading ( and several others close behind ) this place is aquiring a greater repository of information than some S.I.G`s-we are gonna have to get planning permission for an extension to house the library at this rate [^]
PETE,MIKE & JOHN,-howdy guys,have a beer on me--P.S-PETE-We scored a `moral` victory on Sat. against the All Blacks-they won by 5 points but the first try was from a forward pass [sigh][banghead][:(!]
Right,time to start scraping Barbie-pink cake icing off the furniture rounding up stray balloons,streamers etc and repairing trashed birthday gifts,see you all this evening,take care,nick[C=:-)]
P.S-love the `festive` smilies [^][tup]

[Anonymous]

Holy Mackrel, can't leave you's guys alone for a few hours: look what happens! Tom, there is nothing "for it" at this hour, I'll just finish my X-word puzzle from the V.A. "down time." The first thing "right-off-the-bat" is CONGRATULATIONS Barndad Doug, you are now "permanent." A well deserved honor and you won't need to "move over" when Tish Gearhardt ("2 stools") comes in selling her Avon crap to the gals. Its good to see new faces and some fresh "slants" on the stuff we all enjoy hereabouts.[tup]

You might have guessed that the M.D.s at the V.A. have changed my RX's to potions which aren't conducive to [zzz]! Just as well, the last batch had me [xx(] after breakfast. I'll do my "catsup" on previous posts (Tuesday) at a more "fit" hour later. Just wanted to let everyone know that I came back with everything I went "in" with.[^] Rob, when will the "hard bound" edition come out with your excellent data?[bow] The "cut and paste" ordeal is making it tough for this Old Timer.[V] BTW, the menu for "Turkey Day" looks fine. Will that Bird come with Maple Leaf stuffing? Okay, I know its too late when Leon's snoring is shaking the walls. See all ya's after Sunrise.

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM (all time zones, don’t ask how we do that!

Hello All! C’mon in! Coffee’s fresh and hot; pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery are delicious and the <light> breakfasts are waitin’ to be ordered. So, whaddillyahave [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is “Pike Perspectives Day!”
(2) Tomorrow is U.S. Thanksgiving – “special menu” in effect.
(3) Friday is “Steak ‘n Fries Nite!”
(4) Saturday is “ENCORE! Day,” where we repeat some memorable Posts.
(5) Sunday we are CLOSED and it’s Sunday Photo Posting Day!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 01:16:25 (170) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 07:20:13 (170) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – WP

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 07:45:33 (170) Streamliner Corner #5 – City of Las Vegas

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 10:11:55 (170) reply to passengerfan, etc.

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 13:10:07 (170) Streamliner Corner #6 – Land O’Corn

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 13:11:01 (170) NOSTALGIA #28 – Ad - NYC Xplorer (1956)

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 13:59:54 (170)

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 15:11:55 (170) Classic CNR Steam #4 Passenger and Mixed Trains to Niagara Falls

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 15:48:27 (170)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 16:40:14 (170) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 17:56:47 (170)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 18:24:47 (170) Selection Committee Nov. meeting results!

(13) jdonald Don Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:02:08 (170) Inclusive Post! Congrats to barndad!

(14) barndad Doug Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:04:00 (170) Me? Really?

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:07:49 (170) Congrats to barndad! etc.

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:09:16 (170) Congrats to barndad! etc.

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 21:25:51 (170) Congrats & Acknowledgments, etc.

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 22:25:24 (170) Congrats & Inclusive Post!

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 00:02:21 (170) CNR Classic Steam #5 Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale
Subdivisions

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 00:52:58 (170) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment![/b]

[siberianmo]

Not a good way to end the night! Boris behind the bar is an absolute NO, NO and ....... <grrrrrrrrrr> [tdn] NOT good ....... Leon, put him in his shed, NOW! [:(!]

So, Rob up 'n causin' problems, eh [?] Pehaps a visit from Vito the Hit will get you back on track! (Pun intended!) [swg]

Meant to mention this earlier, but isn't 6 PM a bit on the late side for Thanksgiving Dinner [?] Received a few <moans> and <groans> over that one - so let's set it at 4 PM (all time zones!) with a SECOND seating at 6 PM. [tup] Sorry, but PHIP 'round here - Proprietorship Has Its Privileges! [swg] Hmmmmmmm, glad that our Bar Chandler concurs that the gals of "Our" Place can have their Holiday off! <grin>

Between you and Al I'm gettin' a bit weary tryin' to keep up with your special Posts! Apparently neither of you received my Email plea for pacing them! <GEESH!> Nice work though - but a bit too late for me to be doin' serious readin' - I'll catch your #5 in the daylight! [tup][tup]

By the by: The R17 subway cars ARE just a smidge higher than the RDCs. Keen eye you have, my man, keen eye! So, both are manufactured by LifeLike as Proto 1000s, so I'd say they are accurately to scale. Perhaps - and this is simply a guess on my part - subway station platform heights are higher than one would have for conventional passenger cars [?] I have no clue and yield to those of you who know. Anyway, they are higher at the roof line only, not higher than the roof vents of the RDCs, and again, very slightly at that.

Thanx for the round - I'll ring the bell and we'll make this last call!

Cindy will have the bar from about 8 AM 'til noon on Wednesday (today!).

Later! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hello I'm back again. I see my last round is still circulating so I'll jest freshen up my keith's [tup] I think one last CNR calssic steam for the week ( tom will be happy to hear that i'm sure ) This layest tome comes from Ian Wilson's To Stratford Under Steam.

In case anyone familiar with southwestern ontario and is wondering why someone would write a book about the lines around and radiating from a small town like Stratford It's simple. At one time it was a huge cog in CNR's rail scene. The Stratford big shops sat on 19 acres of land and preformed all of Ontario's major steam maintenance and rebuilding/overhauling. Everything from class one overhauls and inspections to class nine complete tear down and rebuilds.The high ceilnged shop building boasted 200t morgan cranes which moverd entire Northern and Mountain type locomotives three stories over the workers heads.

CNR Classic Steam #5 passenger trains on the Brampton and Thorndale
Subdivisions


Yard assignments

Stratford yard
Five regular jobs midnight to 8 am, 6:30am to 2pm, east and west yard shifts from 4pm to midnight, and Big shop switcher from 8am to 4pm. As with any yard or station agency,shifts began an hour earlier during daylight savings time. De-icing job typically ran from 8am to 4pm

Guelph yard

At the beging of the 1950's, there was three yard assignments here 6:30am to 2:30pm , 2:30pm to 10:30pm ,and a straight day shift which was cut off sometime in the forst half of the decade. All shifts marshalled freight cars and worked industries as well as the coal dock,freight shed and passenger trains at the station.

Kitchener Yard job

Three regular assignments; industrial shift 5:30am to 1:30pm morning yard job 9:30am to 5:30 pm and the afternoon job 3:00pm to 11:00pm .

Industrial shift worked to Waterloo subdivision interchange ( Galt side ). It's territory also included the service track ( where extra cars were stored ) and the freight shed.Besides the yard the9:30 assignment handles the waterloo subdivision industries(Galt side ) Schnieders and the Budd plant ( which evenyually needed a dedicated crew). Crew went off duty after switching out cars and lining up lifts for eastbound and westbound pickups. Engine off the industrial shift also handled the afternoon job,spending mostof it's time making up trains switching the freight shed and working the express cars off the passenger trains at the station. They rarly did industrial switching,although they occationally lifted stock out of the stock yards for no 458 en route to west Toronto.

Passenger Trains

number 10
Daily Windsor to Toronto via Stratford,serving as a commuter train between Guelph and Toronto. From Windsor to London train was handles by a heavy pacific. A Hudson . Mountain or Northern of train 83 the night before handled the train to Toronto.The consist swelled at London,then Stratford or Guelph ( commuters )A block of coachres usually 4 which came off of no 11 would be added to no 10. Due to steam heating requirements, in winter this happened at Stratford. In the summer cars were added at Guelph. Generally this was a 10 to 12 car train with heavy express and mail at the head end.

number 11/111/141

Toronto- London via Stratford, served as a commuter between Toronto and Guelph.(see no 10 ). saturday movement was 111 Sunday 141( added in 1950 ) Consist ws baggage car and a few coaches,with an occational express reeferor two from London. Toronto tail end crew returned on no 80. Bullet nose betty or Hudson normal power

Number 27/137

Daily Toronto-Stratford shorthaul train handling mail and express,operating on modified schedule on sunday's as no 137. Powered by a hudson,pacific or mountain which returned in the afternoon as power on 34 or 36 ,136 on Sunday. An RPO was set out at Stratford for Goderich train 35. Otherwise the train consisted of three or four express cars and a coach. Train carried a 30 foot RPO.At guelph there was a heavy mail transfer with number 173 and custimarily an express car would be set out for 173.

number 28

Goderich-Toronto , daily except sunday.Trains 37 and 28 were cut back to Stratford-Toronto in october of 1957. Passengers and express were exchanged with number168 at Stratford. Consist would swell at stratford,RPO would be set off for 172 at Guelph. Crew would change at Stratford, with both legs handled by Stratford head end crew working trains 28 and 37.


Number 29

Toronto-London daily except sunday. Main passenger train between Toronto and Stratford. Passengers at intermediate stations were lifted by number 27. From Toronto to stratford train was powerd by a hudson or pacific. Hudson or heavier betweenToronto and London

Number 34

Goderich-Toronto, daily except sunday,from goderich toStratford train was powered by a pacific of no 35. Heavier engine came on at stratford ( off 27 or 29 ) Train carried a 30 foot RPO,which was transfered to no 36 ,at Stratford a baggage car and the one or two express cars and coaches were augmented by additional baggage or express cars. An express car would be taken off train 174 at Guelph.

Number 36/138
Stratford-Toronto , operating on modified schedule as train 138 on sunday's.See trains 27/137 and 34.handled head end traffic,mainly express.Tenderfre***urkey' producers in Peterberg filled a car with frozen turkey's five days a week,and express reefers of roses weer lifted at Brampton.

Number 37

Toronto-Goderich daily except sunday and monday. Sometime between april and sept of 1953 the train became daily. Powered by a heavy pacific or Hudson.Returned the next morning as no 28. At Stratford , a pacific took over to Goderich returning the next morning on no 28. Consist was typically several cars including an RPO, baggage car and two or more coaches,and sometimes extra head end cars.

number 39

Toronto-London express and mail train via Stratford daily except sunday and monday changed to daily in 1953 ( see 37 ) Powered by a heavy pacific , mountain ,or Northern which continued on to Port Huron on no 17,then back to Toronto on 17 or 20 until they were deiselized in 1957. On some occations a hudson was assigned to number 39,in which case the engine came off at london and returned to toronto on no 82. One Toronto and two London heaa end crews were pooled on trains 39-80-77-40. Toronto tail end crews known as cleanup crews frequently met freight 516 at Rockwood ( this is where the museum is !!![:D] ) or Acton which ment that the passenger train went into the siding!

number 40

London-Toronto via Stratford, daily. Powered usually by a hudson or occationally a Pacific or northern off number 12. On sunday's a pacific or mountain of number 10. Train carried an RPO and a mail storage car ( from conection with the London and Port Stanley radial ) which had been left at london by train 77 and loaded throughiout the day with transfer mail. There were a number of express cars and a couple of coaches. dinning and sleeping cars were often routed to Montreal on this train. Toronto tail end crew came off number 83 a few hopur earlier would return on this train.When train length warrented a flagman came on at London.

Number 168
London-Palmerston , daily except sunday.In 1956 the schedule was changed so that 168 departed and arrived in palmerston before 169 left.Eliminating a scheduled meet at Milverton. A pacific worked from London to Owen Sound on trains 168/173. Equipment off 168 were left on the "dog leg" ( short dead end track on east side of station ) at Palmerston for m329 mixed train to Southampton.The engine took the consist number 173 for Owen Sound.Equipment returned to palmerston from southampton as M330 the following afternoon and spotted on the east leg of the wye for train 171 to London

Train usually consisted of two or three coaches with an RPO and occationally an express car, box-baggage or express reefer. an RPO operated between London an dsouthampton on trains 168,M329/330 , AND 171 until 1956.At that time the RPOwas removed from M329/330

Ubtill sometime in 1953, the engine generally returned the next day on trains 174 and 171; thereafter it usually returned on172,169,or, 29. London head end crews worked from London to Owen Sound. The tailend crews worked from Owen Sound to palmerston and were outposted in Owen sound.

Enjoy Rob[:D]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom and the boyz. Question why is Boris behind the bar? You haven't givn him keys to the cabinet have you Tom? It will take months to get his hair out of the pickled eggs.

Doug Congrates on becoming a reserved stool [tup][yeah] I think a round for the house on this occation kieth's for me what ever everyone elses favourite poisin is. no Boris don't put that in the glasses ,<sheesh> You see Tom this is why he needs to be locked up at night.


Don Glad you stopped back in. The CNR ran alot pf passenger service in Southern Ontario,several were pool trains like the Maple Leaf pulling CN and foreign cars, LV in this case.

Nice info on the Atlantic as well. I've always loved the FP4's though in the proper CNR passenger green and black super continental scheme. though the Via blue and yellow was a nice second choice. Never cared for them in the zebra paint.

Ted I did a bit of reading tonight. the B&O caried alot of the union supplies and men during the civil war. I've seen some decent pictures from that time period as well.hope you pickup on some more civil war railroading when you get back.[tup]

Pete thank's for reading the CNR steam bit keep an eye out I will do a few more yet.BTW how many seats are the girls saving for you on Thursday ?

Rob

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’ Gents!

A cause for celebration this Tuesday night, eh [?] Not every evenin’ that we can hoist a tankard or three in honor of a new inductee into the Order of the Reserved Stools. Congratulations to you, barndad Doug, you’ve been with us for quite some time and have really come through in the pinch, several times! Long overdue and well deserved, Mate! [tup][tup][tup]

To the acknowledgments:

jdonald Don Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:02:08

Good to see you back again, Don! [tup] [yeah] The inhabitants of Can-Am City and surrounding townships didn’t quite know what to make of those R17 subway cars zipping along the mainline. What was even more puzzling was finding them up on the mountain line. <huh> Glad you enjoyed the pix.

Nice write up on the “Atlantic.” We traveled that route in the early 1990s, one of the last runs through Maine, en route Halifax from Montreal. Of course in those days it was VIA Rail. While I don’t have the answer to your question, my guess is that you’ll get one from one of our regulars.

Somewhere on these pages is a pix of VIA Rail’s Banff Park car taken during one of my trips aboard the “Ocean.” Also experienced that car as part of the “Canadian’s” consist during one of our round trips between Toronto and Vancouver. Love those Park Cars! [tup][tup]

Thanx for the round! Boris ring that bell! [swg]

barndad Doug Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:04:00

Party time for you tonight! Are your SURE you want one of everything [?] Oh well, one nice thing about cyber bars, no hangover in the AM! [swg]

Thanx for the round! Boris One more time! [tup]

pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:07:49

Enjoy the festive holiday, Mate and be sure to check us out upon your return! [tup]

Thanx for the round! Boris Again …….

passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 20:09:16

Glad you liked the Fallen Flag – WP sometimes they are just as “good” the second time around. [tup]

I’d say you have the market cornered on the longest RDC trips on our continent. (By the by – it’s Cariboo, that’s the way PGE and BC Rail spelled it! [swg])

Hate to correct you twice tonight – but barndad Doug is a member of the RESERVED STOOLS.

Thanx for the round! Boris Do it!

Okay guyz, Boris the Night Man has arrived and I’m outta here! [swg] Ring it again Boris, give ‘em a round on me! [tup]

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house. Congrats to Barndad Doug on his induction to the Order of Permanent stools.

Tom thanks for the Western Pacific piece. brings back memories of giving up a chance to ride the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR from Oakland to Chicago instesd chose to ride the RDC-2 ZEPHYRETTE from Oakland to Salt Lake City then laid over to catch the CZ east. It was a choice I have never regretted. Who else out their can say they have ridden the three longest RDC runs in North America.
WP ZEPHYRETTE
GN Havre/Great Falls/Billings/ Great Falls/Butte. Great Falls/Havre
PG&E & BCR Caribou Dayliners

TTFN AL

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

[tup][tup][tup] DOUG on your Reserved Stool A round please Tom to celebrate.Ring the bell BORIS.Looking forward to the next Fallen Railfan Mag article [yeah].

Thanks ROB for the CNR steam #4[tup] Great details of the trains in the last days of steam The consists and loco duties are especially good.

Another pint to celebrate DOUGs award TOM.We are off to the brides folks for Thanksgiving tomorrow afternoon. If I am unable to get to the bar may I wish all the regulars on this side of the pond a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING [tup][yeah] PETE.

[Anonymous]

Evening again Tom, and I for sure am buying the rounds tonight. I'll have one of everything!

Omigosh! What an incredible bit of news this is to me. Thank-you selection committee and Awk . I am truely humbled to be in the company of such an esteemed group. I feel most unworthy.
Still, I accept the nomination, and promise to do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country, and to .... wait a second .... I think another group already uses that promise. Hmmmmm
Well, I guess I'll just have to promise to be all I can be .... Hmmmm. That seems familiar too.
Thanks again. I am tremendously pleased!

[jdonald]

Evening Tom & all
I'll have the usual Alexander Keiths-one for yourself and a round for the house. Hope the CPR crew has left for the night. Just trying to get caught up on the las couple of days.

Tom Point taken regarding the amount of memory for storing the past posts. Enjoyed pictures of your pike-bet the peple of Can-Am were surprised to see those redbirds fly through!

Rob Enjoying the CNR Steam 3&4. Didn't know there was that much passenger action in the Niagara Peninsula in the 50's.

Al Streamliner Corner going great-too bad there's no pics esp. that Las Vegas Motor Train.

Congrats to Doug on attaining the coveted "Order of the Stool"[:)]

Here is some info taken from "Canadian Rail" mag of Dec/85 entitled "VIA" revival of the "Atlantic"

The government of the day had announced that effective June 1/85 the Atlantic and the Super Contintental would be reinstated. The Atlantic ran from Montreal to Halifax via Maine and Saint John N.B. The first regular run left Montreal's Central Station on time at 8:45 P.M. May 31, 1985. The consist was FPA-4 #6777,FPB-4 #6873 and 11 cars. The last car was "Banff Park" dome observation.
Until midnight on May 31 it ran as Extra 6777 East and became and then became VIA #12 on June 1. Due to a disturbance at Megantic(unspecified) it was already late upon arriving at Jackman, Maine for its stop for Customs inspection. The inspectors showed extra zeal and the train was 1 hr 20 min late departing.
Some time was made up and the Atlantic pulled into Saint John 1 hr 11 min late. Detraining passengers almost drowned as the skies opened up-it was said to be a good omen-a real "baptism" of the new service. /
The authors last sentence -"If passengers continue to use it it will show that those who fought for its re-instatement were right and the "Short Line" service will continue well into the 21st century
Anybody know how long it did last[?]

Bye for now-keepit on the rails[;)]

Don

[siberianmo]

<bonk> <boink> <bonk> (What kinda gavel is this [?])

Oye, Oye – All Rise for the Order of the Stools Selection Committee

We are rized ….

Quiet!

Who let that parrot in here [?]

Right!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You may be seated!

The Selection Committee of the Order of the Stools announces the findings of their November meeting.

Be it known from this day forth that the following customer of ”Our” Place has been distinguished by faithful participation along with willingness to engage in the banter at the bar: barndad Doug who first visited us on July 12th, 2005, has been awarded a Reserved Stool, in the Order of the Stools of the bar known as ”Our” Place!

Congratulations to you, Doug! [tup][tup][tup]


The next meeting of the Committee will be announced at a later date.

This session is now concluded.

<bonk> <bornk <bonk> (We gotta do better than this!)

All Rise as the Selection Committee departs.

We are still rized …

Confound it!

Awk, Awk, Awk

Quiet!

Drinks on the house! Boris ring the bell, twice! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Just wanted you to know I'm searching for another fallen railfan magazine article!
Evening Tom and friends.I'll have a bottomless draught and of course get a round for the house. Really like these fallen flag articles. It's nice to see the Western Pacific and New York Central again. Good job Tom!
Enjoyed your Streamliner corners Al, and passenger train info from Rob. You guys are walking encyclopedias!
I'll write more when I have it. Have a great night!

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Good to see some activity this fine day. Temps ‘round here are in the mid-40s (F), skies partly cloudy, bit of a breeze and just a bit on the chilly side. Petrol is $1.90 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner.” Makes one wonder about those $3.30 prices not that long ago ……. <grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>

To the acknowledgments:

passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 07:45:33 and 13:10:07

City of Las Vegas and Land O’Corn two more Postings destined for your “Corner” on the Monday Index. Nice work and I only wi***hat we had the clientele ‘round here to take advantage of your submissions. Why not do some “duplication” and Post these “Streamliners” over on my other thread on this Forum [?] It would be a real shame to let ‘em go to “waste” so to speak – just floatin’ ‘round in the Ether. Post one a day and if nothing else, it keeps that thread up and runnin’ too. I’d recommend a “caveat” that directs the attention to “Our” Place as the thread to visit if they like what they are seeing, etc. [tup]

Although I previously acknowledged your “Crap Shooter’s Special” it surely was worth mentioning again! [tup][tup]

Thanx for the round! Boris do it! The man is buying …….. [swg]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 13:59:54 and 15:11:55

Daytime visits – two of ‘em! [wow] This IS a good deal for the bar – now if we could only get you to part with some of that expendable cash you’ve been hoardin’! [swg]

[yeah] I kinda wondered whether it was too good to be true with the flurry of Posts we had from the new guys (guyz). I had hoped they would stick ‘round. Perhaps it’s just the time of year – who knows. Always nice to have an infusion of new stuff. Looks like our regulars are holdin’ up quite well – not all, but most. [tup]

I’m kinda at wits end regarding how to keep this thread up on the Forum page – so Posting some Encore! “stuff” seems to be about the only thing left. We have quite a few “holes” during the day. Posting in “bunches” is not the answer – spreadin’ ‘em out is the way to go.

I enjoyed your Classic CNR Steam #4 Passenger and Mixed Trains to Niagara Falls and it is a good “read.” Hope that there’s an “audience” for it.

pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 15:48:27

A daylight Post from Pete! Always good to see ya, Mate, but even moreso during the daylight hours. Your Email has been responded to …. Thanx! [tup]

So, we’ve got another Amtrak KCity trip lined up. Maybe we should see if they will “sock in” some Bathams for you during the return leg! [swg]

Glad you liked the NOSTALGIA piece. I just prepared six more – gotta keep ahead of ‘em, before ya know it, I’m at the end of the line. Just never ends ……. [swg]

Picked up the 4x8 ft sheet of 2 inch insulated foam board this morning for the subway system. I’m in no rush, but it’s all falling in place – kinda like one step at a time. Next up is to get the bracketing and metal strapping material (previously explained in a reply to [bNick). Then I’ll order the subway station and tunnel ‘stuff.’ <Geesh> I hope my bride can afford all of this! [swg]

Catch y’all later and thanx for stoppin’ by ……….

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.
A pint of the usual and a ham sub please.

Thanks ROB for the info on the Laggan sub and the Stephenson Bridge.Is there any photos of it[?]. Next year is the 200th anniversary of the birth of another great Victorian engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel. I am reading a article about him and will try to add some more later.The Thanksgiving dinner menu looks wonderful.[tup]

MIKE Great link showing the paintings.[tup] The one showing Green Bay depot is especially good as I was up there in May the depot is now a Brew-pub and restaurant but the building looks the same.

Thanks AL for the Aero Train info. I wonder if they ever thought about installing a more powerful engine in the Power-cars.[?]

Another good Nostalgia TOM[tup].
Off to get a haircut now.[V] Hope to call in later PETE>

[trolleyboy]

Okay so up next in continuation of today's classic passenger train scheme of things....


Classic CNR Steam #4 Passenger and Mixed Trains to Niagara Falls


These are the passenger and mixed trains that called on Niagara Falls Ontario in the mid to late 50's. As layed out by Ian Wilson's Steam to The Niagara Frontier.


Number 86

Hamilton to Niagara Falls section of number 83. Modified schedule on sunday's.
Cars off number 83 in Hamilton formed consist of train 86. Engine came off of number 95 from Niagara Falls. Usually a stream lined 6400 or a 6200 class northern.

Number 87 and 84

Fastnight mail train Toronto to Niagara Falls . Did not officially handle passengers: not listed in the public timetable.Most express to Hamilton came in on 87, by the caar load. About 90% , if not all express to Niagara Falls came in on 84. Circa december 1957, carried storage car of box baggage or refridgerator type for Hamilton and Hamilton transfer mail, set off in Hamilton and returned on No. 108. circa may 17 1956 at least one (each) Toronto-St Catharines and Toronto-Niagara Falls express reefers, carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Hamilton and Niagara Falls. At Merriton , the switcher removed at least one express car from 84 and set it behind the station for unloading and transfer to NS&T Red Onion. The consist of train 84 at Niagara falls wa used to make up numbers 95 and 91. Usually powered by a Bullet Nosed betty until mid 1954. After which older mountains or 6400 class streamilined mountain or older Northerns became the norm. Engine would return on afternoon local 91-92

Number 89-90

Toronto to Niagara Falls leg of over night Maple Leaf CN-LV train to New York city. Normal consist was a LV baggage/smoker two LV pullman cars ( for Philadelphia and New York),CN coaches and parlour cars to Niagara Falls,and LV coach to New York.carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Toronto and Suspension bridge . Normal power was any variety of Northern or Mountain, with the occastional Hudson. Engine returned to Toronto next morning on 93-94

Number 91-92

Daily afternoon local passenger train,Niagara falls to Toronto. Normal power was a bullet nose betty ( mountain type 6060 series ) , occastionally a northern.Return movement for engine on night train 87/187 - 84/184. Cirac may 17 1956 carried Hamilton/ Toronto express reefer. Did not carry mail,except in baggage during Christmas season.

Number 93-94

Niagara Falls to Toronto leg of overnight Maple Leaf from New York city.Engine was off train 89-90. RPO worked between Toronto and Niagara Falls on 83-86 & 93-94. Discharged mail on the fly at Beamsville. Normal consist out of Niagara Falls was RPO LV baggage/smoker , two LV sleepers(pullmans) , CN coaches and parlour car from Niagara Falls and LV coach.Extra express cars on some days. Power was off of 89-90.


Number 95

Niagara Falls to Hamilton section of number 6. Carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Niagara Falls and Hamilton. normallt powered by a Pacific assigned to Niagara Falls ( until april or may 1956 )After that time ,powered by engine off train 102.

Number 101-102

Daily passenger train, Toronto to Niagara Falls. Heavy with head end cars. Carried RPO ( not on Sundays ) . Also carried mail in authorized space in baggage car between Toronto and suspension bridge. discharged mail on the fly at Grimsby Beach and Vineland. Circa may 17 1956,carried Toronto - Hamilton express reefer. Consist included parlour car amd Montreal sleeper ( pff number 17 at Toronto ); this equiment returned on train 107-108. normal power was bullet nosed betty untill mid 1955,then streamlined northern ( 6400's ). Engine returned to Toronto on 107/108

Mixed Train 218

Originally Stratford- Fort Erie mixed trains aperating as M218-M219,engine making two-day round trip out from Stratford. Express cars were lifted by M218 at places such as Caledonia,Dunnville,St Thomas. On most days , there was a CN reefer behind the tender on arrival at Fort Erie. On the trip home M219 lifted an express reefer of fish at Dunnville,which was handed to M238 at Caledonia for furtherance to New york city via train 90 from Hamilton. On the trip home M219 luifted express casr at Brantford. Effective april 27 1958 , trains operated between Stratford and Brantford as M218/M219 while former London-Fort Erie way freights 510/511 were modified to run between London and Brantford as 510/511 and between Brantford and Fort Erie as M220/M217.Until early 1957.regular power was a light pacific assigned to Stratford, after which Stratford assigned Mikado's took over. From april 1958 onward,Stratford assigned Mikados handled trains between Stratford and Brantford and Mimico assigned Northerns handled trains between London and Fort Erie.Steam last used on this train in april 1959.

Fort Erie Race Trains

Passenger extras Toronto to Fort Erie and return during the racing season ( spring and summer ). Consist made up of buffer ( non passenegr carriing car ), parlour car and sufficient best available coaches. No stops on Oakville subdivision west of sunnyside. Stopped briefly at Welland in both directions.Returned immediatly following last race. any suitable passenger power was used including Northerns mountains hudsons or heavy pacifics.

Picnic Trains

Anual picnic trains for big industries in the Hamilton area, went to Crystal Beach. Passengers were dropped at the beach,then engine went to Fort Erie to turn. Picnoc trains used commuter coaches laying over. again any suitable passenger power was used.

Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon everyone. tom I'll grab a CR while I digest all of Al's passenger train info.My but that'a alot of stuff [tup] . The "Crap shooters speacial " seems fine and appropriate to me but that's with 5 decades of hindsite,times were a tad more civilized then I suppose. Oh well time marches on.

Tom I thought I had ordered a drink last nigth , but on rechecking the post i hadn't. [oops] I'm sure that the CPR section gang enjoyed the round however.

To answer your question's, dinner will likley be served around sixish ( allows the CN and CP track gangs to make it in )Also the girls can indeed have the day off ( don't think the bath tub pool could stand the strain of the time and a half for them [xx(] ) Helga and Hilda are bringing their friends and family to help,known locally as" Wagner's coven". Best to keep Boris locked up we know what almost happened over halloween [:-^][:O]

Bit of a slow day again but the encores are a good thought since they weren't needed on saturday.Always nice for the refresh helps keep things in focus. I'll be back with my two cents in a moment or so.the only keeper I'll post this week don't want to give you a full time secretaries job afterall. [swg]


Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #28

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)



Extra service at no extra fare!

Route your passengers on the Central’s newest train

OHIO XPLORER CLEVELAND-CINCINNATI

Built for the Central by Pullman-Standard, the beautiful, lightweight all-coach Xplorer brings a new look to American railroading. Travelers will appreciate being introduced to this train and its convenient schedule.

*Hostess service
*Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
*Air cooled
*Reclining contour seats
*Separate bar-lounge car

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Standard Time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Train #421 – Lv. Cleveland 6:45 AM – Ar. Cincinnati 12:15 PM
Train #422 – Lv. Cincinnati 1:45 PM – Ar Cleveland 7:15 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 8 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Close enough time for a CR and a round for the house.

PASSENGER FAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 6

LAND O'CORN Illinois Central trains 13-14 inaugurated August 28, 1941 between Waterloo, Iowa and Chicago round trip daily. 275.1 miles each way 550.2 miles round trip 5 hours 40 minutes each way. The two car motorailer train averaged 50 MPH including 14 stops enroute.

The Illinois Central inaugurated a two car Motorailer train built by American Car and Foundry on August 28, 1941 named the LAND O'CORN. The two car streamliner was single ended having a control cab at one end of the lead car 140 only. There were two oil engines mounted beneath the floor of the 140 and and a single oil engin was mounted beneath the floor of the 141the trailing car. The second car 141 was equipped with a diaphragm at each end with the intended purpose of adding a third motorailer unit if traffic warranted.The third car was never built due to the outbreak of WW II in December 1941.
After a grade crossing accident with a semi-truck on February 18,1942 at Plato Center, Illinois that left the engineer dead and 25 passengers injured the Illinois Central withdrew the LAND O'CORN, ILLINI and MISS LOU from service replacing all three motorailer trains with conventional steam powered heavyweight trains. The four motorailers were returned to American Car and Foundry who rebuilt them to double ended cars and sold them to the NYS&W.

CONSIST

140 Control Cab 70-Revenue Seat Coach Motorailer

141 Trailer 39-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Seat Dinette 8-Seat Lunch Counter Motorailer

Will add the postwar streamlined ILLINI, MISS LOU, and LAND O'CORN another day.

Hope this answered some of the questions on the IC Motorailers.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 7

The D&RGW introduced two mini-streamliners on Novembver 17, 1941 for overnight operation between Denver and Salt Lake City named the PROSPECTORS. The trains numbered 7-8 covered the 570 miles in 14 hours 30 minutes each way. The two car stainless steel streamliners were diesel electrics with Hercules diesels mounted beneath the floor of each car serving generators that supplied power to the truck mounted traction motors. The Hercules diesels would probably have not caused any problems on any other railroad but the high altitudes and numerous 2.2 % grades played havoc with the two trains. The Roots blowers were not of large enough capacity to to supply the necessary air for equal compression to all cylinders at high altitudes. The two car mini-streamliners lasted in service from November 17, 1941 until July 4, 1942 when they were withdrawn from service and replaced with conventional steam powered heavyweight trains. At that time they were stored behind the Rio Grande shops in Denver and eventually returned to Budd where they were quietly scrapped.
Budd would eventually find success with a similar idea the Budd RDC following WW II.
The two consists were numbered M-1 and M-2.

M-1 CONSIST

JOHN EVANS Cab Baggage Compartment 44-Revenue Seat Coach

DAVID MOFFAT 8-Section 2-Cabinets Buffet 8-Seat Dining 4- Seat Lounge Observation

M-2 CONSIST

BRIGHAM YOUNG Cab Baggage Compartment 44-Revenue Seat Coach

HEBER C. KIMBALL 8-Section 2-Cabinets 8-Seat Dining 4-Seat Lounge Observation

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Thanx, Al for the Streamliner Corner #5 ... Crap Shooter's Special, has a nice "ring" to it! [tup][tup]] No small wonder it wasn't well received given the times and place. The mid-50s in California - cars were "in" and the nation was "in love" with 'em.

P.S. You gotta start readin' the Posts - some questions have been "pending" answers ... [swg] Can'tg all be "one way." [tup]

Okay, guys - I'll be here - but will most probably not Post again for a few hours ....

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the Gang. Time for Coffee and a pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #5

CITY OF LAS VEGAS UP trains 115-116 Inaugurated December 18, 1956 using a leased Aerotrain set. between Los Angeles and Las Vegas round trip daily 335 miles each way 6 hours 45 minutes eastbound 6 hours 55 minutes westbound.

In one of the early operational assignments for one of the GM AEROTRAIN consists the Union Pacific leased one of the trains for a one year test between Los Angeles and Las Vegas round trip daily.
To say the train was well received is to kind for it was an utter failure that drove many passengers to their cars for the traip from Southern California to Las Vegas. In fact UP terminated the lease two months early and returned the train to GM mostly due to its noisy rough riding characteristics.
The UP named the train the CITY OF LAS VEGAS but it was better known by its passengers as the CRAP SHOOTER'S SPECIAL. In CITY OF LAS VEGAS service one of the articulated cars was removed, this was done so the train would be able to climb Cajon Pass unassisted but this was never the case, in fact a helper was required twice eastbound and westbound for the underpowered train in mountain service. The CITY OF LAS VEGAS provided coach revenue seating for 276 passengers in comfort soimilar to that of a Greyhound Bus which the articulated coach bodies were widened version of. In the center of the train two cars were converted to Buffet and Lounge cars with the one becoming a lounge their was a bar and 28 seat lounge. The other converted cars was known as the "Chuck Wagon" Buffet car. This car allowed passengers to serve themselves from the buffet and return to ones seat to eat.
The 1,200 hp Aerotrain powere unit was very underpowered for moutainous operations.
The CITY OF LAS VEGAS Aerotrain was discontinued on September 14, 1957 replaced by a full size conventional streamlined CITY OF LAS VEGAS beginning Septemebr 15, 1957. The cars had no numbers but I have taken a little license to show the consist.

1001 GM Aerotrain 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1001A Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1001B Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1001C Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1001D Articulated Bar 28-Seat Lounge Car
1001E Articulated "Chuck Wagon" Buffet Car
1001F Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1001G Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1001H Articulated 40-Revenue Seat Coach
1991I Articulated 36-Revenue Seat Coach Observation

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

First appearing on page 108: Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM (all time zones, don’t ask how we do that!

Good Morning! Coffee’s fresh and hot; pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery are delicious and the <light> breakfasts are waitin’ to be prepared! So, whaddyawaitinfor [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day!”
(2) Thursday is U.S. Thanksgiving – “special menu” in effect.
(3) Friday is “Stean ‘n Fries Nite!”
(4) Saturday is “ENCORE! Day,” where we repeat some memorable Posts.
(5) Sunday we are CLOSED and it’s Sunday Photo Posting Day!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 00:45:07 (169) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 00:53:50 (169) Monday INDEX

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 06:39:16 (169) U.S. Civiil War, etc.

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 07:22:08 (169) #1 thru #4 Streamliner info

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 08:30:41 (169) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 13:42:34 (169) NOSTALGIA #27 – Ad – NYC Aerotrain

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 15:26:02 (169)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 15:46:57 (169) reply to passengerfan

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 15:50:44 (169) Inclusive Post!

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:38:12 (169) Laggan Subdivision Foot Notes and Special Instructions

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:40:57 (169) Inclusive Post!

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:40:57 (169) Inclusive Post!

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:45:58 (169) Inclusive Post!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:50:46 (169)

(15) wanswheel Mike Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 18:27:43 (169)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 18:40:52 (169) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) wanswheel Mike Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 18:43:09 (169) Nice URL

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 22:25:54 (169) Thanksgiving, etc.

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Nov 2005, 01:06:14 (169) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Yo Rob! Looks like we're just about to close up and I hate to do this to ya - but - Tweeeeeeeeeet, Tweeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #2 - failure to order a drink! Boris ring it loud 'n clear - trolleyboy Rob is springin' for the house! [yeah][wow][swg]

One of those nights again - woke up just a couple of minutes ago thinkin' that I had a full night's sleep! <Geesh!> Saw the lights still on, with Leon the Night Man behnd the bar. Gimme one of those Southern Comfort's on the rocks - ahhhhhh, nice! That'll put the ole body back to rest. [zzz]

Nice menu for Thanksgiving - I'm sure the customers will love it. What time is [dinner] to be served [?] I gave the gals the day off, so you may have to come up with some "help" in addition to the "lovelies" you brought in from Deutchsland. [swg]


Looks like RailImages is still down ........

Okay, Mate - thanx for stoppin' in - time to close up!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again gents. Tom I think that it was an optical delusion I'm sure, don't worry about the micromiter,you aren't one of those modellers that has one are you [?][:O]

The aerotrain might make a nice museum piece[swg] for the old canam cupboards. Just a thought. Also I'm glad toknow that I won't need to bring a compass next year [swg]

BTW the Monday index looks quite nice very full bodied,nice to know that we have that much information at our collective fingertips.[tup]

If the good chef is unavailable thursday, the lovely ladies from KW have decided that they would love to help. Since they are friends and known to us here they are waving their usual extravigant catering fees. ( Yes they are licensed caterers as well as arm wrestling champs,makes wringing the birds neck easier don't you think [:O][XX(] They do insist on only the freshest of ingrediants. After the greta cabbage incident during oktoberfest they will NOT be serving cabbagr rolls or any sort of ***. Full menue to follow.

Turkey ( wild as shot by the boyz )
Duck ( roasted and peking for those wishing an oriental flavour )
Ham ( likley aa full pig roast knowing the ladies ham is a usual thanks giving extra )
Mashed potatoes
Salad
Yams & squash
and of coarse pumkin and apple pies as desert
Oh and Boris say's that he and Tex are making their tex/mex K ration casarol.

The last to be avoided at all costs !


Mike Glad you liked the bit on the bridge,for my part your posts are comming in fine,does take a bit of getting use to,but keep at her we aren't going anywhere. [tup]


Well I'm off for now have another coat of paint to out on a third avenue arched roof car kit.Then to some detail work on it,and mating an old bachman drive. Gotta do it when I'm in the mood.

TTFN Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day!

What a sloooooooooooow day, but all of a sudden some activity! So, on to the acknowledgments!

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 15:50:44, 16:38:12 and 16:50:56

Where in Hades have ya been! <Geesh> How in the world are we supposed to carry one when the “Inner Circle” completely bails out on me[?] <Geesh II> Fine, fine – blame it on work, [yeah] right! Seems to me that excuse is well worn thin these daze! [swg]

Nice Inclusive Post! as always. [tup]

I do think it’s an optical contusion [?] regarding the height of those R17 subway cars compared to the RDC’s. The tracks are all at the same level. Okay, okay – I’ll get out my micrometer! [swg]

Lost in TO[?] Not as long as moi is aboard – a skilled, trained and certified Navigator of the U.S. Coastal Protective Service (aka: U.S. Coast Guard). I “found’ Europe from Boston, I can surely find TO’s Union Station should our “host of hosts” become disoriented! [swg]

Those R17 subways cars are on the same level tracks as all the other consists within the Union Station platform area. Must be an “optical contusion” of sorts! <huh?> Okay, okay, I’ll go fetch my micrometer just to make sure that the heights are the same or lower than the RDC’s. [swg]

I’ve refrained from the “formal’ welcome aboard for your fellow countryman on Vancouver Island. Just waitin’ to see whether he’ll come back willing and able to participate along the lines we all have come to enjoy. I wonder ……..

No go with the Aerotrain on the Can-Am. Wrong period of time for a “fit.” You may recall that no passenger trains operate on my layout unless I’ve ridden ‘em in real life. That’s the criteria. The exception to the rule lies with those “commemorative runs” for consists like the “oriignal’ CP “The Canadian,” and the like. Those trains “reside” in my display cases and are pulled out just for special runs. KInda like my VIA Rail EMD E8 A/A “smoothsides” consist presently at Union Station – just love that one! [yeah]

Nice works for the “Laggan Subdivision.” [tup][tup]

Regarding the U.S. Thanksgiving dinner – it is traditional to have turkey and dressing. Since we haven’t heard from our Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick lately, the burden is on you to put the menu together. And absolutely NO cabbage! <yuck>

pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:40:57

Way too few pix on Sunday, but glad you enjoyed what was there. We really need to reinvigorate this idea, or come up with something else. Getting’ a bit “old” being in the boat, rowin’ by myself insofar as regulars are concerned that is.

I suppose that character on the porch COULD be you. Hadn’t quite thought of any of ‘em that way, but why not![?] [swg]

Cabbage is “predictable,” Mate! [swg] By the by, there’s an Email response sent your way …

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 16:45:58

Nice fini***o the Civil War piece and the relevance to railroads. [utp][tup]

I know all about fasting the night before – do it every 3 months whether I need it or not, so to speak. Good luck with the “procedures”! We’ll be here upon your return ……

wanswheel Mike Posted: 21 Nov 2005, 18:27:43

Hang in there, Mike – practice DOES make perfect! Look – you can always DELETE your post. Just check out the options available to you in the upper right hand corner of your Post. Should show “Delete – Edit – Quote” – but you must be signed in to see these options. Once you make a Post and determine that it is not up to whatever you wanted it to be – you can Delete and start over – or Edit it. I’d recommend COPYING it BEFORE deleting – that way you can “paste” it back to the “message block,” then correct or add, etc. Just takes practice … you’ll get there.

We all appreciate your participation! [tup]


Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Good evening Tom and OUR PLACE guys

This will be brief because I doubt if I'll be able to post it. The mechanix of posting has been giving me grief. You have no idea how much of my beautifully composed laborious (Hey, that could be a nod to Boris) typing has been lost to the etherial ethics of ether.

Ted good luck at the VA tomorrow and I salute your great posts on Civil War
Congrats to Al and re Gulf Coast Rebel, a little pic, halfway down on the right: http://www.jelsma.com/prints_new.html
Thanks Rob for answering Pete's question about the bridge over troubled waters (Simon said to get silly) because I had no idea about the current's of the St. Lawrence.
Doug nice shot of a good old Davenport, which I'm partial to because the
word Davenport is on my birth certificate. So it's not just a place to Cry and Pee,
for crip's sake, that's good to know.

Mike

[trolleyboy]

Ahternoon Pete. I don't know about the uS but they are calle dsignal main tainers on the CN / CP and their assosiated US roads.

Neat info on the bridges. Too bad the Victoria Bridge was torn down in the 50's.It was used by car traffic Grand trunk and later CN trains. It also cared caternery for the GT/CN owned Montreal and southern Counties interurbans to run on. It's big claim to fame besides it's ornateness was how narrow it was. The MS&C cars were built narrow speacifically to fir accross the bridge. Which ws raized in 1956 for the building of the St Lawrence Seaway.

Note to chef Nick No cabbage for the thanksgiving dinner on thursday.LOL

Ted Loved installment number two.Show the practcality of railways for defence purposes. Hoope all goes well tomorrow for you. I'll be sure that Boris whips up a rip roaring batch of prune smoothies and danish for your return on Wed.He says that he misses you already. Even his battle scarred buddy seems a bit sad atb the prospect of you being absent a couple of daze. BTW you have mail.


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Good afternoon everyone. I think just a draught of Piels today Tom. Tomorrow will be a hectic one for me with 3 appointments at Bay Pines V.A. Med. Cen. Its probaby best to go ahead with the last installment on the Civil War tack now. But first, I'd like to compliment Al for his usual excellent treatment of the great streamiliners. G.M. & O. and I.C., now that is a "double header" if ever there was one.[tup]

As mentioned in the last memo, the Battle for Chattanooga was truely a landmark in the strategic use of railways. As that "see saw" battle developed Union Gen. Rosecrans was able to threaten the supply line of Gen. Bragg's army by a pincer movement to cut the Western Atlantic mainline from Atlanta, GA. This forced Bragg to abandon Chattanooga to secure his "life line." Gen Rosecrans, however did not reoccupy the City and soon found himslef under a heavy counter attack from Bragg with reinforcements that had arived by rail from Atlanta. Now, in a defensive position back in Chattanooga, Rosecrans was under siege for weeks in a hopeless postiion for a "break out." When Washington finally understood the catastrophy at hand, Gen. U.S. Grant was dispatched to save the Army of the Cumberland. Grant sent two Corps of another Union command by rail to try to "flank" Braggs army. They made this troop movement with astonishing speed; from the banks of the Rappahannock River to Bridgeport, AL., two full Corps (horses, artillary, stores and all) arrived in just 8 days and non too soon. The North was able to open a supply route to the trapped army before they literally were starved into surrendering en masse. This supply route became known as "the cracker line" and soon, with reinforcements, the North made their "break out." There were ensuing blunders made on both sides but Bragg eventually was in full retreat to Atlanta. This battle was particularly crtical because it effectively ended the threat of the Confederacy's advance toward the West.

I think we can all appreciate the enormous contribution the early railroads made in the 1860s during that terrible conflagration. From the U.S. Civil War onwards, railroads would would be "key" in any future military planning. Even to this day, heavy military ordinance relies on two steel rails over most of the world. Along with serving the implements of war, the railroads also brought back the wounded and untold numbers of possibly fatal medical delays were averted through the effeciency of the crews and management of the nation's railways.

Well, its starvation time from 6:00 P.M. tonight through 1:40 P.M. tomorrow.[V] First the blood, then the CT SCAN, followed immeadiatly by Plastic Surgery Lab. So, I'll be "among the missing" until Wednesday. Okay Boris, hit "the rounds on me" bell and I'm outta here. Gadfrey, he put a donut on my head![:O][alien]