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[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #77

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific Railway (CP) in a 1969 advertisement from my private collection:



See more of Canada in 72 hours
than most Canadians see in a lifetime.

In comfort.

Wine, dine, play, listen to music, make friends or just sit back and enjoy the scenery.

A variety of accommodation is available, including berths, roomettes, bedrooms, compartments and drawing rooms – all reserved including coach seats.

“The Canadian” is a streamlined crack trans-continental train. Designed with scenic Domes to provide you with a wide-angle view of the most spectacular, breath-taking scenery. 3,000 miles in all.

Including the best of the Canadian-Rockies, the rugged northern shore of lake Superior, the vast prairies, and such favorites as Banff and Lake Louise.

Faresaver Plan includes meals in deluxe Dining Room cars, or budget-priced meals are available in the Dome Coffee Shop.

“The Canadian” leaves daily from Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. All aboard!

Contact your travel agent or Canadian Pacific.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CP Rail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and Gents at the Bar!

Looks like the central mid-west is in for a bit of snow, huh[?] Isn’t that just the way[?] Spring arrives today and so does the winter![swg] Things around here aren’t bad – in the 40s for today and tomorrow – partly cloudy, spring is in the air, even though it’s a bit chilly.

Nice work for those who provided the pix yesterday! Hey Tom I tried to keep mine during daylight![tup] It’s a good idea, makes sense to me!! Glad to see you made it “in,” however, I was hoping you’d just take the entire day off. Isn’t that what you had originally intended for Sundays[?]

I particularly enjoyed seeing those Lionel trains and it surely brought back quite a few memories. It seems like yesterday when one could walk by a department store window during the Christmas season and see the electric train displays. I used to stop by the toy shops to pick up the train flyers, take ‘em home and wish my heart away! I did some browsing quite awhile ago over on eBay (which I have lots of disdain for, but that’s another story!) and saw the gobs of train flyers up for sale. One can only wonder what kind of condition those things are in. Anyway, I loved looking at the cover photos and always wondered if anyone, anywhere, ever had a layout like the ones on the covers[?] They were precisely what kids dreams used to be all about. At least mine were.[swg]

Nice contributions from Rob & Doug as always![tup][tup] I’m enjoying the “Tunnels” articles. Also, like that pix on the Summary Tom![tup] Some interesting cars in that consist, huh[?]

One thing I’ve noticed about this thread that should be mentioned is the somewhat ‘circular’ motion some of the posts are taking. There’s a group that mostly responds, and yet another that provides information and yet another that does both! Check out the posts, you’ll see what I mean.

My suggestion is for those who are in the 1st category (responders) is to take the time to find some information relevant to the “theme of the bar” for posting. Doesn’t have to be all of the time, but perhaps once a week would help out. Otherwise, we turn this place into those “coffee shops” and other ‘one line heavens’ on the forums. No thanks – been there, didn’t like it, and don’t want to see it happen here. End of [soapbox]

CM3 (One day I’m going to find out what your real name is, and then . . . . !!) nice post this morning and you seemed to have made that time slot, yours. Good deal! There’s two of us trying to help out the Proprietor by providing info at the times he had requested long ago.[tup] Your reference to those Lionel shorties reminds me that I seem to recall them being pretty much an O-27 “thing.” The cars of the O-gauge sets were much larger, I think. Somewhere along the line, those cars came out in blue, for a short duration, and today are worth big bucks for those who dabble in those kinds of things.

One of my favorite roads to read up on has been the “old” Canadian Pacific – when they ran the maroon/grey livery with the beaver heralds. Great looking diesels and just an all around 1st class operation. Nice Nostalgia post![tup] although it was when the “action red” was “in” is my guess.

Time for me to order a ham ‘n swiss hero with mustard ‘n butter, two large pickles from the barrel, a cold one (Rheingold in a frosty bottle) and hang out for a bit . . . Here’s a ten spot for the Lars Box! Buy a round when there’s some business to feed The Cashinator ‘n Tilla the Hun![swg]

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Sir Tom ! A shorter picture fest yesterday but good pictures at any rate!!!

I had intended to drop a second batch around 5 pm after I got out of work and before the birthday party for Heather ( wed. is actually her birthday )Instead she had some sort of gastrointestinal attack and we spent most of the evening at emerg. turned out to be just reflux which is good ( and what I suspected it was ) Could have saved the time spent by giving her one of my nexium's which is what the emerg doc perscribed for her anyway [sigh] Oh well Dr's can't live with and can't live without em eh [?]

Doug Great part two of the tunnlers, interesting info. I'm with Pete that car does look like it has some electric RR origin. If you can take a look at the ends of it on the floor,there would be evidense of the controllers/brake stands. Also over the truck bolsters in the floor there would be "trap" doors built in that wousl have proveided inspection access to the traction motors if it were a powered car. The doors tend to get boarded over if the car changed hands and became a non-powered vehicle.

Pete there are many an NW2 left out there in the real world or were you wondering if the models still existed. I would say that given the collectability of Lionel and AF trains that there would be several examples of the models left around as well.





Two shots of former TH&B RY NW2 switcher 51 at teh Elgin County rail Museum in St Thomas Ontario,it's owned and used by the Ontario Southland RY they maintain the TH&B paint job.

Tom Thanks for splaining the picture posting process,it isn't hard just a bit time consuming, Tom and I or Lars or any of the others of us who do post can always talk everyone else through the posting process.
I'm guessing that those Lionel photo's are near and dear becaus ethese trains no longer exist in your posetion[?] Still for the time taht they were manufactured the detail was quite good on them [tup]

CM3 Good day to you sir.Nice piece on the delray. I've taken a few shots at delray JCT in years past, not what it once was but stilla failry good photo spot.

Lars Nice Alaska shots, they should get the captains blood pumping for his upcomming vacation [tup] Well said bit on the general health and well being of this thread as well. [tup]


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay here's this again on the page/day it was ment for[:I]

CLASSIC STEAM # 17 The Stratford and Huron Railway

The Stratford & Huron RY : Stratford to Wiarton

In the heyday of railway building ( 1870's ) communities accross Ontario all dreamed of becomming major railway towns. The town of Stratford though far from any ports was no exception. As early as 1850, the Stratford business community began to lobby for a rail link from their town to Southampton on Lake Huron. This along with proposals for the Port Dover & Lake Huron RY which would connect with the Lake Erie & Northern, could put Stratford on a busy portage railway.

However the reality was that funds could not be found so the project was delayed. In 1877 construction began in earnest of the SHR between Stratford and Listowel, a mill town on the Maitland river a few miles North. By this time Southampton had fallen firmly into the griop of the rival Wellington Grey and Bruce RY , operated by the Great Western,so the terminus for the SHR was changed to the more northerly town of Wiarton.

There was talk of contiuing the line form Wiarton and up into the barren Bruce Peninsula to Tobermory, with a link to Manitoulan Island. This plan fell through.

Continuing financial troubles on the SHR forced the builders to apeal to the Grand Trunk ( Great Western's main rival ) for funds in 1880. In taking over the railway, the GT forced the SHR to build a branch into Palmerston, then a budding railway jct. At the same time teh name was changed to the Grand Trunk Georgian Bay & Lake Erie Ry, to reflect the other lines the GT had assumed as well. Under the new mgmt. , track laying continued and in july of 1882 the new line opened.

In 1882 the Great Western and the GT amalgamated , and the network of lines emanating from Palmerston all came under the same ownership. Almost immediatly, a new more direct link was built from Palmerston to Listowel, and this short section of the original line was abandoned. Then in 1891 , a branchline was built from Park Head into Owen Sound to a terminus immediatly opposite that occupied by the Toronto Grey and Bruce RY, CP's link to Georgian Bay. As the SHR already had a terminus on Georgian Bay, this new branch was built to serve the Shallow Lake Cement plant. Here the chalky deposits on the floor of Shallow Lake proved ideal for the manufacture of cement.

As with most early railways, the first stations were simple designs. Typical buildings on the SHR were squat wide buildings, with a bay window at one corner ( if at all ). Around the turn of the century, the GT upgraded many of it's lines and replaced the earlier depots with more solid structures. Most along the SHR ended up with Towers,high Dutch gabbled bay windows,and steeply pitched hip gable roofs.The stations at Chesley and wiarton recieved rounded waiting rooms with a "witches hat" roof built ontto one end of the building.

In the CN years Stratford finally became a major rail center ahveing the 40 acre big shops built there along with all the locomotive servicinng major and running repair facilities. Palmerston became a major division point for most of Central and Ontario.

The auto age ( post 1957 ) caused drastic service cuts on these branch lines, in 1957 mail was no longer carried on trains in this area , in 1958 the line to Wiarton was abandoned. Then in 1970 passenger service to Owen sound was discontinued, finally by 1995 the entire line was abandoned and the rails removed. Wiarton's station still stands as a general store and home to Ontario's weather groundhog wiarton Willie. Palmerston lost all it's tracks some of the old passenger terminal and station still exist as a museum.

Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Just thought I would drop by long enough for a CR and a round for the house. Sorry I can't get more involved right now but it seems like every yera more and more people wait to get their taxes done and sure puts pressure on the tax preparers. Must get back to the office.

TTFN AL

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and All.

A pint of Bathams please, have just about recovered from the weekend.
A bitter wind here in Mid-Mo with the weather men are not sure how much of the white stuff we are going to get here.

Great 2nd part of the Tunnel DOUG[tup]. The incident of the frozen nitro was very interesting that accident must have saved a lot of lives when it was being transported.
That tunnel was very expensive in human cost as well as money[:(].
I bet the loco crews were mighty pleased when it was electrified.

CM3 Looking forward to your info on the Hoosac tunnel electrication and the D&RGW tomorrow.

A bit more on the Irish Railways.
On my first visit to Ireland in the 80s opposite the main loco works at Inchicore in a suburb of Dublin, there was a row of old withdrawn diesel locos that was being used as a barrier to cut down the noise from the works.
The locos are not there now hopefully some of them were saved for preservation although most of them were cut up for scrap I believe.

The annual Railway Preservation Society of Ireland International rail tour on 6,7,&8 of May is visiting Tralee in the South East of Ireland. They will be using the ex NCC 2-6-4 tank loco and the J15 0-6-0 which was pictured at the start of Tom's piece on Irish Rail.

It has quite a few years since I was on these tours they are a really great way to see some of Ireland. The locos that were in use then was the 2-6-4 tank, and 4-4-0s # 171 Slieve Gullion and the 3-cylinder # 85 Merlin. The last two locos were in the light blue of the Great Northern(Ireland) and looked superb as well as good performers.

Also in Northern Ireland a little to the north of Belfast at Cultra is a wonderful Transport Museum. Among the exhibits is MAEVE a 4-6-0 loco one of the largest locos that worked in Ireland on the Dublin to Cork run and a 4-4-0 DUNLUCE CASTLE which was built at the DERBY (England) works of the MIdland Railway for the Northern Counties Commitee (NCC) which was ownen by the LMS. It is almost identical to the 2P locos of the Midland. of which none survived, but to a track guage of 5 Feet 3 Inches. It is in the superb Crimson Lake livery of the Midland [^]
.Also at the musum is a double deck tramcar of the Fintona horse drawn tramway which survived until the 50s. which was quite famous in the later years.

TOM Thanks for the Canadian Pacific and the Irish rail piece which brought back memories for me.[tup].
Looking forward to the Denver & Rio Grande theme day tomorrow.
I'll have another Bathams please and a round for yesterdays great photos PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Okay gents this piece goes along with the Classic steam #17.

CLASSIC STEAM # 18 THE TORONTO GREY AND BRUCE RY


Across The Roof of Ontario : Orangeville to Owen Sound

Intrest in a railway to Owen Sound ( on Georgian Bay ) had surfaced as early as 1850 when the Toronto & Sydenham RY, and the Northern Railway both approached the town for help financing the line. The route they surmised, would tap into the lushforests of the area, and the fledgling farms as well as divert Great lakes shipping through new railheads on Georgian Bay and Lake Huron. The community refused,confident that a railway would eventually be forced to build to them anyway. What they hadn't counted on was that rival Simcoe County was prepare to ante up the money . As a result, the Northern railway snubbed Owen Sound and instead built their line to Collingwood. The town would wait another 20 years before they heard their first train whistle.

The 1868 charter for a railway, to be known as the Toronto Grey and Bruce, allowed for a line from Toronto to Mount Forest and Durham via Orangeville. from Mount Forest, branches would run north to Owen Sound and west to Southampton. The route reached Mount Forest in 1871,neither branch was built as envisioned. In 1873 , the County of Grey again backed out of it's funding,and the branchlines to Owen Sound from was scrapped. Meanwhile, the proposed mainline stalled at Teeswater,well short of the waters of Lake Huron.

The promoters were adamant to have a lake terminal however, and as a result they relocated their junction to Orangeville, and built their own Owen Sound branch from there.The land on which this line was laid is relitivly flat, and had few obstructions so the first train pulled into the bay side station in 1873.

Most of the first stations on the route were single story board and batton buildings, those requiring an agent got a second story (for agent quarters). Most were replaced after the turn of the century with larger better built sincle story buildings trimed with more decorative architectural detailing.

In the late 1880's CPR assumed ownership of the line and operated it against principle rival CNR until the early 1990's.

The route did prove to be prosperous. Grain was transhipped at the port,cattle was handled in stock cars from the many comunities the line passed through.Passenger service lasted a century ending only in the early 1970's ( all RDC at the end )

In 1995 following many failed attempts to create a short line out of it this legendary line was abandoned. rails were lifted in 1998. The line to Orangeville still is in use though it's now shortline run as CP was able to sell it off in 2000. In keeping with CPR policy all buuilding s stations etc were removed except for the Owen sound station whish is now a train/shipbuilding museum.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hi there Pete. glad to see that you survived the weekend more or less intact.[tup]. Great info on that Irish rail museum, always good to see so much preserved ( both steam and electric )I've always liked the bright european locomotive paint schemes,hopefully now that you are onto the broadband a few pictures of those gems or similar may materialize on Sundays !

Before I forget my mannors Tom I'll sprimng for a Bantham's round for Pete and myself,gotta keep tilla and the cashinator happy after all [;)][:D]

al Nice to see you even breifly, I do miss the data dumps myself however.I'm a bit late in finishing up our taxes this year as well,we do have till the end of april though.In my case the government doesn't mind so much though because we are getting refunds.

Well gent I'm away working midnights for the next couple of days (daze)

Rob

[pwolfe]

TOM I had better have another Bathams.

ROB Just seen your post.

Really glad Heather is OK now, my bride had a simular thing just before Christmas and it was worrying at the time.

Many thanks for the NW2 info and photos [tup]. The loco looks real good in that paint scheme and that looks a fine old building in the background.
Great Classic Steams. When the line was built I doubted that the owners would believe that one of the stations would become home to a weather predicting Groundhog many years later.
It is a real shame that the two termini have lost their rails but at least the stations are in use as museums.

I will have to take you up on your kind offer on how to post photos when I get some more PETE.

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

An interesting day once again at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill!”

A visit from CM3 at around 9:20 AM followed by a 2:45 PM Post from Lars was “it” for most of the day. Then a flurry of activity as Rob Posted 5 times between 4 & 5 PM, Pete twice and a “quickie” from 20 Fingers Al.[yeah]

Rob sounds like things went to “H” in a handbasket for your wife over the weekend. A shame. But look at the bright side – you have another opportunity to celebrate her “Natal Day” – this time, let someone else do the cooking![swg]

Pete nice input on the Irish Rail! Aside from the fact that we enjoy your company ‘round here, the information you pass along really is “top shelf” and helps one and all understand more about rail elsewhere.[tup][tup][tup]

Rob Nice Pix of the NW2s! Not that I’m big on switchers, but that particular model does hold some significance for Moi![tup] Glad you liked the Lionel Pix – and yes, thankfully there are Pix available to keep my memories vivid of the trains from my childhood and early adolescence.

Al Our taxes, prepared by Moi, were sent off in early Feb – refunds received shortly thereafter and life goes on. I have no sympathy for those who cannot “get it together” other than close to the midnight hour. Never have understood those kinds – but then again, I’m anal all the way![swg]

Rob Some reading material, eh[?] Why not throw in a “quiz” to check whether the guys are reading what’s being presented[?]<chuckle> On the serious side, appreciate the input, the effort and of course the interest in keeping this place a “Classic Trains” Thread![tup]

Pete Whenever you’re ready – no charge for “lessons” on Pix Posting![swg]

CM3 Some really “off the wall” stuff on that railroad – but something different ‘round here is always welcome! Once again, you covered all the bases and helped kick off the day in fine form.[tup] Unfortunately, no one picked up the ball.[tdn]

THANX to all for the rounds and quarters for our Coal Scuttle – much appreciated![tup]

SOME PIX ARE NEEDED! If anyone would like some of their RR Pix Posted this Sunday, send them to me by Email attachments (no more than 4 at a time, please). Really running low on material for Sunday Photo Posting Day! THANX!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening fellow weekend survivors,please excuse me typing loudly but I`m still rather deaf from last nights grand finale concert ( for full revue,see the `Out & About` section in the next Gazette..[}:)]...)
O.K,who can manage a drink without shaking too much..?-Ah,well done,set em up please [4:-)][oX)]TOM,and don`t forget yourself of course.
So whats been happening lately:-[4:-)][oX)]TOM-good call on the greens to win the deciding match-obviously no connection with Vito the Hit & Leon being the teams "strategy advisors"...............or 3 of the bookies from the field going home minus thier shirts escorted by several of Vito`s "associates"--Xmas party lookin` good boys [swg]
Nice header pic,as mentioned elsewhere,-4 cars,3 liveries-love it!![^]!!-All it needs is a Zebra FP9 on the point-O.K-I know I`m strange...........Thanks also for C.P promo-That "See more of Canada" headline is a bit of an indictment of the human condition-how many of us are content to wake up to the same view every day...?.....[#offtopic]DING-additional mid-ramble round....Sorry,where was I-Ah yes,Those old tinplate cars and switcher looked gorgeous-Can we look forward to seeing Maplewood,Chatam & Hillside(in the traditional A.B&W olive green & gold) pulled by a pair of the Can-Am `Heritage` former C.N F units working specials up the branch from Union-An idea I will expand upon on Weds..( could make a fine photo-op for the anniversary...[:-^]...)
ROB-Please give Heather my best wishes-bug in question is both real and bad-sister has spent all w/end wrapped up with it-shut up your doors and don`t let strange people breath on you is my best advice-also,a huge [bday] for weds.[tup][^[tup]-have a wonderful day.
Right,wandered again,focus,nice spread of pix-that T.H.B switcher is always easy on the eye [^],enjoyed C.S#18-really evoked a mood [tup].
DOUG-A fine assortment you bring to our table-Jokes definately getting more `contempory` shall we say-you have provided me with a whole new rep. of fillers for those awkward times when somebody breaks a string or some such...[tup][^][tup]...
As to the pix,the baggage/bar car would make an interesting modelling project-and,as an added bonus OLE 20 FINGERS has been lured from his west coast retreat to dig up all the data any modeller could ask for..instant result[^]
U.P <TM>caboose pic is going on file as weathering ref. shot--[tup]
Trolley-Like PETE,my first thought was Wickham Trolley-whether this is the name of the inventor,the factory or just a generic title I will endeavour to discover-Fairly certain that they (Wickham Trolleys) were small petrol-powered inspection trolleys-the sucessors of the pushme-pullyou handcars we all know and love
Article continues to enthrall-in this age of instant and disposable communication,a well crafted paragraph or two increases in value daily...nice one !!!
LARS-Hi there,have yourself a wee drinkie-come and have a chat....You seem to be getting a bit aireated there,no need mate [^]
One of the underlying strengths of this particular meeting place is that it renders us all equal-just rows of characters scrolling across the screen,with no prior history or background,-just a common interest-however the inherent limitation of this is that,in many cases this may be the only common factor we share...
Seems to me that everybody brings what they have to the party-and just like bars in the real world,no two days are ever alike.......anyway,enough already....
DENNIS-I knew I recognised you-Last time we spoke you were bags packed and counting the hours-hope you had a smooth transition,take your time catching up-We`ll still be here [tup]
PETE-Don`t get me started-world cup---Bah,Humbug %&^*)%(&*_$+
That E.M.U ride sounds cool-copy of that next time I hit town [^]-now that Irish steam thing-not wanting to be picky but is it Tralee or South-East Ireland--reason I ask is ,I can get over there with the digi-cam in about 4 hrs but Tralee is miles away on the west coast,wheras Rosslare is set up for the tours (still got the water crane and the turntable) and is walking distance from the boat on the South-East coast route
CM3-Well a very good day to you my friend,thanks for the G.T.W-linked stuff-extra texture always welcome
Right,a final round for the rogues gallery who bring to life this happy house...oh,go on-one for Boris as well,sleep well gentlemen,speak soon,nick [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

What could be better than a Nick at Nite! Post[?][swg][tup] Great end to the day, for Moi.

That's quite a bit of material to digest, Sir Nick! Covered lotsa ground, eh[?] Picked up a bit of inspiration for Wednesday's Pike Perspectives Day! Y'all will just have to wait.[swg]

You really hit it on the head with the hi-lites of the weekend's Posts and Pix.[tup] Don't know what we'd do without Rob 'n Doug's Pix contributions. Well, I guess I do - we'd just have a quiet Sunday.

Those toy trains of yesteryear hold a certain luster, but of course when stacked up next to my HO- S 'n O gauge trains, the realism quickly vanishes. No matter - I could have a blast with my former O-27 Lionel trains running 'round 'n 'round 'n round - wooooooooo, wooooooooooo[yeah][swg] Imagination works wonders, eh[?]

I re-read that Post of Lars' and can see both sides of it. I appreciate, very much, his "call" for some sort of uniformity in terms of keeping with the "theme" of this Thread. However, we surely do not want to squelch any efforts made by those who simply like this place and the 'stuff' we're made of.

There's a fine line - a balance to strive for. We've had some guys who never did get on board fully, had others who were so centric that when the door hit 'em in the butt on the way out, it was cause for drinks on the house![swg]

Anyway, I like the way you put it - we have this commonality and the idea is to build on it.[tup] From where I am coming from, the bar and the idea of discussing Classic Trains must come before anything else. Not all the time, mind you, but surely Lars does have a point. I think you both did fine in making them (points)!

We're battening down the hatches 'round here for a winter storm about to descend upon our area. Now "they" are callling for perhaps upwards of 5 inches, but in blizzard-like conditions, which surely isn't good. Supposed to be a mess at morning rush . . . .

Thanx for the round! And I'll catch ya when the wind shifts![swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)

We open at 6 AM (all time zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Tuesday is here! Great way to begin the day is right here with a cuppa Joe – some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you’re really hungry, try our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

If you wake up feelin’ halfway ‘tween “Oh Lord,” and “My God,” you overdid it![swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RG) arrives TODAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 05:18:31 (281) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 05:55:47 (281) Doug’s AM Report, Tunnels Part II & joke

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 07:30:21 (281) AM comments, etc.

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 09:21:51 (281) Weekend highlights - CM3 style, etc.!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 12:54:42 (281) Nostalgia #77 – Ad: CP (1969)

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 14:45:04 (281) The Lars Report!

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 16:04:28 (281) Inclusive Post & 2 Pix

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 16:12:04 (281) Classic Steam #17 – Stratford & Huron Rwy

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 16:36:31 (281) Brief visit

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 16:42:42 (281) Inclusive Post, Irish Rwys, etc.

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 16:50:25 (281) Classic Steam #18 – Toronto Grey & Bruce Rwy

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Mar 2006 , 17:00:46 (281) More!

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 17:25:16 (281) More!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 18:58:31 (281) Acknowledgments & Comments

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 20:32:40 (281) Nick at Nite!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Mar 2006, 21:28:15 (281) reply to nickinwestwales. etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features! Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 19th thru 25th: Midnight Run (1988) starring: Robert De Niro, Charles Grodin & Yaphet Kotto – and - The Greatest Show on Earth (1952) starring: Betty Hutton, Cornel Wilde & Charlton Heston. SHORT: Hello Pop (1933).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends! I'll have 2 light breakfasts and a birding book. Gotta be able to properly identify the birds around here so I know when spring has actually arrived! Saw some robins yesterday, so that's a good sign ... right?

Even on a slow day around here, we do manage some good "stuff". Thanks for the MI info CM3, and theCP add Mr. Tom. The big surprise of the day however was Rob, who started with NW2 pix, and then must have learned how to grow some extra fingers from Al, and posted wonderful articles on the Stratford & Huron, and the Toronto Grey & Bruce Ry. Way to go Rob!

Here's my humble submission for today's theme, and sorry for the graphic contenet so early in the morning. I just type 'em the way they are written!

From the pages of the Feb 1943 Railroad Magazine

It was my lot to be a passenger on some unfortunate D&RG trains more than fifty years ago. On a trip from Denver to ed Cliff, May 16th, 1888, we were five hours late reaching Salida. There we took on “Red” Amberson, engineer, and John Brennan, conductor. Red hit the curve seven miles up from Salida at a swift pace. Suddenly we heard a report like a gun. The wooden coach I was riding danced on the ties and tumbled down the bank, landing bottom side up. The stove set it afire; it burned quickly.

Our engine had stuck to the track, but the baggage car, which had landed on a field of boulders, was smashed to kindling. How the baggage master escaped instant death I never knew. The smoking car lay on its side across the track. Two Pullman cars were not derailed, I think. Mr. Butler, the D&G agent at Buena Vista, an old-time railroader, who came down to look at the ruins, told me it was the worst wreck he had ever seen. A large man, brother-in-law of Red Amberson, had lost a leg in the crash and was stretched out between the rails. While we were awaiting the wrecking crew and physicians from Salida, the victim repeatedly begged us to kill him, and then asked for a revolver so he could end his life. Dr. J.W. O’Connor, who later became the Rio Grande’s chief surgeon, revived the victim’s drooping spirits by giving him a stimulant. Red Amberson died at Grand Jct. many years later, after passing his 80th year. Condr. Brennan died in Pueblo hospital.

On the night of Nov. 18th, 1889, at Denver, I boarded the night express for Leadville, Colo. The company was then blowing down vast quantities of rock preparatory to installing a standard-gage line. Our train was doubleheaded, L.S. Frein being at the throttle of the lead engine. At 3 a.m. next day an immense area of rock, which had been loosened but not sufficiently so to bring it down promptly, fell with a mighty roar right in front of our train! The first engine crashed into it, and tumbled down the rocky bank, finally coming to rest as a battered hulk on the river’s edge. Frein lost a leg, but little other damage was done. William B. Thom

From the pages of Dec. 1936 Railroad Stories

Denver Union Station was a scene of activity in the afternoon of Aug. 7, 1903, as passengers were homebound vacationists, among them several bridal couples. At 1:15 Condr. Harry Smith gave the highball and No. 11 pulled out. Out of Colo. Springs the railroad ran down Fountain River Valley. No. 11 crossed the river at Buttes and rolled along the plains, heading for the end of double track at Eden, 10 miles from Pueblo. Approaching a normally dry gully about 2 miles north of Eden, the crew saw it was now filled to the brim with a raging torrent, caused by a cloudburst in the mountains. The bridge underpinning had been washed away; only the gaunt rails and ties were left suspended.

No time to stop or even check the train’s speed. Into the stream she plunged, the force of a mighty current rolling the cars over and over, washing some of them into Fountain River, 300 feet away. Nearly everybody aboard the train was drowned ; happy returning vacationists, bridal couples and tired business men, engine crew, conductor, porter. Many bodies were never recovered. Some were carried down the Fountain into Arkansas River and were found later, much later, on sand bars. As the conductor and all his records were lost, no accurate check could be made of the loss of life. More than 100 are said to have perished in the Eden wreck – J.C. Ball (D&RG ex-conductor)

From the pages of Oct. 1936 Railroad Stories

Novel use for an old passenger coach; the schoolhouse at Bond, Colorado


At Bond, Colo., is a unique schoolhouse built from an old passenger coach supplied by the D&RGW. Back of this lies an interesting story. Years ago the railroad company built a roundhouse at Bond and transferred some of their employees, with families, to that little mountain village. The only school was 4 miles away – a serious problem for long winter months when snowfall was heavy – but there was not enough money available to build a school nearby. So the county school superintendent took up the matter with the railroad, which, being public-spirited, promptly donated the coach.

Steps were built at each end and a platform was erected for the teacher’s desk. Light and water are provided by the D&RGW shops. There are washroom facilities, together with new desks for the pupils, a large blackboard, and a stove given by the railroad. The school is thus modern. It has about a dozen pupils, taught by Miss Margaret Brooks – Frank S. Reynolds

[:I] The man told his doctor that he wasn't able to do all the things around the house that he used to do. The doctor started a long and thorough examination, but finally found nothing wrong with the man.
When the examination was complete, he said, "Now, Doc, I can take it. Tell me in plain English what is wrong with me."
"Well, in plain English," the doctor replied, "you're just lazy."
"Okay," said the man. "Now give me the medical term so I can tell my wife". [:I]

[siberianmo]

Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Eleven


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Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad (D&RG)

Locale: Western United States

Reporting marks: DRGW

Dates of operation: 1870 – 1988

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Original track gauge: , and 3 ft (914 mm)

Headquarters: Denver, Colorado


D&RGW logo used 1908-1921


Rio Grande Industries logo used 1970-1997

The Denver and Rio Grande Railroad (DRG or D&RG) generally referred to as the Rio Grande, became the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad (DRGW or D&RGW) in 1920. The D&RGW served mainly as transcontinental bridge line between Denver, Colorado, and Salt Lake City, Utah, and a major origin of coal and mineral traffic with a motto of Through the Rockies, not around them. The Rio Grande was the epitome of mountain railroading, operating the highest mainline rail line in the United States over 10,240 ft (3121 m) Tennessee Pass in Colorado and the famed routes through the Moffat Tunnel and the Royal Gorge. At its height around 1890, the D&RG had the largest operating narrow gauge railroad network in North America. Known for its independence, the D&RGW operated the last private long haul passenger train in the United States, the Rio Grande Zephyr.

History

The Denver and Rio Grande Railroad (D&RG) was founded in 1870 by General William Jackson Palmer as a narrow gauge railway system with the intention of connecting Denver with Mexico City. The route was to pass over Raton Pass in what is now northern New Mexico, provoking the 1877-1880 war over right of way with the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway. Both rivals hired gunslingers and bought politicians. In June 1879, the Santa Fe defended its roundhouse in Pueblo with Dodge City toughs led by Bat Masterson; on that occasion, D&RG treasurer R. F. Weitbrec paid the defenders to leave. In the end, the Santa Fe won the right to Raton Pass, while the D&RG paid $1.4 million for tracks through Arkansas River's Royal Gorge to the mining district of Leadville, Colorado.

Royal Gorge Route

The D&RG built west from Pueblo reaching Canon City in 1874. The line through the Royal Gorge reached Salida on 20 May 1880 and was pushed to Leadville later that same year. From Salida, the D&RG pushed west over the Continental Divide at 10,845 ft (3305m) Marshall Pass and reached Gunnison on 6 August 1881. From Gunnison the line entered the Black Canyon of the Gunnison River passing the famous Curecanti Needle seen in their famous Scenic Line of the World Herald. The tracks left the ever increasingly difficult canyon at Cimmaron and passed over Cerro Summit reaching Montrose on 8 September 1882. From Montrose a line was laid north through Delta reaching Grand Junction in March 1883 and a rail connection with the Rio Grande Western Railroad for a narrow gauge transcontinental link to Salt Lake City, Utah.

The line from Pueblo to Leadville was upgraded in 1887 to three rails to accommodate both narrow gauge and standard gauge operation.

Narrow Gauge branch lines were constructed to Crested Butte, Lake City, Ouray and Somerset.

San Luis Valley Route

The D&RG also pushed west from Walsenburg, Colorado over Veta Pass reaching Alamosa in 1878. From Alamosa a line was pushed south through Antonito eventually reaching Santa Fe, New Mexico and west as far as Creede, Colorado. A line also linked Alamosa with Salida to the North. From Antonito a line was built over 10,015 ft (3052m) Cumbres Pass along the Colorado-New Mexico boarder reaching Durango, Colorado in August 1881 and continuing north to the rich mining areas around Silverton in July 1882. A line was also constructed south from Durango to Farmington, New Mexico.

Tennessee Pass

The D&RG built west from Leadville over 10,240 ft (3121m) Tennessee Pass in attempt to reach the mining areas around Aspen, Colorado before its rival railroad in the area, the Colorado Midland, could build a line reaching there. The D&RG build a line though Glenwood Canyon to Glenwood Springs reaching Aspen in October of 1887. The D&RG then joined with the Colorado Midland to build a line from Glenwood Springs connecting with D&RG at Grand Junction. Originally considered a secondary branch route to Grand Junction, the entire route from Leadville to Grand Junction was upgraded to standard gauge in 1890, and the original narrow gauge route via Marshall Pass became a secondary route.

Denver and Rio Grande Western

(copied per terms of GNU Free Document License)
The D&RGW Business Car 101, originally built as a passenger car was converted to a business car at the Burhnam shop in 1929 and is now restored as the Abraham Lincoln

The original Denver and Rio Grande Western Railway had built a narrow gauge line from Ogden, Utah to via Soldier Summit to Grand Junction, Colorado. The railroad became the Rio Grande Western Railway in 1889 as part of finance plan to upgrade the line from narrow gauge to standard gauge, and built several branch lines in Utah to reach lucrative coal fields. In 1901 the Denver and Rio Grande merged with the Rio Grande Western consolidating in 1908. The United States Railway Administration (USRA) took over the D&RG during World War I. In 1918 the D&RG fell into receivership after the bankruptcy of the Western Pacific Railroad. The Denver and Rio Grande Railroad (D&RGW or DRGW) emerged as a new company 1920.

The Moffat Road

In 1931, the D&RGW acquired the Denver and Salt Lake Western Railroad (a company in name only) subsidiary of the Denver and Salt Lake Railroad (D&SL) which had acquired the rights to build a 40 mile (64km) connection between the two railroads. After years of negotiation the D&RGW gain trackage rights on the D&SL from Denver to the new cutoff. In 1932, the D&RGW began construction of the Dotsero Cutoff west of Glenwood Springs to near Bond on the Colorado River, at a location called Orestod (Dotsero spelled backward). Despite the common misconception that Dotsero is a shortening of "Dot Zero," the station name exists from the construction of the Standard Gauge line to Glenwood Springs in the 1890s. Construction completed in 1934 giving Denver a directed transcontinental link to the west. The D&RGW though slipped again into bankruptcy in 1935. Emerging in 1947 it merged with the D&SL on 3 March 1947 gaining control of the "Moffat Road" through the Moffat Tunnel and a branch line from Bond to Craig, Colorado.

Merger with Southern Pacific

In 1988, Rio Grande Industries, the company that controlled the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad, under the direction of Philip Anschutz, purchased the Southern Pacific Railroad. The combined company took the Southern Pacific name due to its name recognition among shippers.

On 11 September 1996 Anschutz sold the combined company to the Union Pacific Railroad in a response to the earlier merger of the Burlington Northern and the Santa Fe which formed the Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway.

Passenger trains

This is a partial list of D&RGW passenger trains since 1947. Westbound trains had odd numbers, while eastbound trains had even numbers.

Train numbers.....Train name.....Endpoints.....Years of operation

1/2........Royal Gorge Denver-Grand Junction (via Royal Gorge)
5/6........The Exposition Flyer Chicago-Oakland 1939-1949
5/6........Amtrak's California Zephyr Chicago-Oakland 1983-
7/8........Prospector Denver-Salt Lake City (via Moffat Tunnel)
9/10......Yampa Valley Mail Denver-Craig
17/18....California Zephyr Chicago-Oakland 1949-1970
17/18....Rio Grande Zephyr Denver-Salt Lake City 1970-1983
19/20....Mountaineer Denver-Montrose
461/462 Silverton Durango-Silverton
............Ski Train Denver-Winter Park

Today, the D&RGW's Ski Train serves the city of Winter Park, Colorado, out of Union Station in Denver.

References

• Merle Armitage, Operations Santa Fe (1948), pp. 9-15
• James R. Griffin, Rio Grande Railroad (2003)
• Ross B. Grenard, Rio Grande In Color, Volume 1 (1992)
• James Sandrin, Rio Grande In Color, Volume 2 (1998)
• Jackson C. Thode, A Century of Passenger Trains...And Then Some... (1972)
• Colorado Rail Annual, No. 11 (1981)


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[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Preset; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Weather here is a real mixed bag- there are 5 diffeerent forecasts as there are basically 5 different climate zones in WV. We are supposed to get snow today, so that's why it's raining this a.m.

Lots of Canadian material recently - all copied and saved. We seem to be accumulating quite a bit of TH&B material - thanks to all.

Nick - Buckwheat Zydeco is playing on Mountain Stage this week - they're up at WVU.

Meanwhile everyone is waiting to see what happend in the next round of the NCAA tournament, and WVU football started spring practice yesterday.

Turining to the railroad scene. In August, 2004, Trains ran a most interesting article on D&RGW's traffic relating to mined/mineral materials. A keeper, at least for me. So when I heard that our 'steamed proprietor had declard this D&RG day, I went back to the vaults and put the following together.

Before we begin, however, let's raise our glasses to Edward Gillette - the man who surveyed the D&RGW.

The D&RGW and Coal Mining in Colorado – 1950

Coal was mined in 1950 from 11 different seams in Colorado.

The Book Cliffs Seam was in Mesa County. Its average thickness was about 72 inches. It was a semi-bituminous coal.

The Cameron Seam, bituminous coal, was in Huerfano County. This seam was between 42 and 50 inches thick.

In Gunnison County was the Crested Butte No. 1 Seam. This was an anthracite seam that was 2.5 to 4 feet thick.

The Hastings Seam lay in Las Animas County. This bituminous seam was 42 to 72 inches thick.

The Laramie seam was subbituminous, 4 to 11 feet thick, and 4 to 11 feet thick.

The Mesaverde Seam stretched across Delta, Gunnison and Routt counties. It was an 11 foot thick bituminous seam in Delta County, semi anthracite and bituminous in Gunnison County (the anthracite was 22 inches thick and the bituminous was 6 to 12 feet thick. In Routt County, the seam was 14 foot thick bituminous.

The Pinnacle Seam, also in Routt County was bituminous coal and 5 to 14 feet thick.

The Robinson Seam was found in Huerfano and Las Animas Counties. It was 3 to 5 feet thick.

The Rockvale Seam was in Freemont County. This bituminous coal was 46 to 64 inches thick.

The Wadge Seam was 8 to 1-1/2 feet thick. This bituminous coal was in Routt County.

Finally, the Walsen Seam was in Huerfano County. It was bituminous and 48 to 54 inches thick.

The D&RGW carried coal from many of these mines.

The following is from the 1950 Keystone Coal Manual. It is arranged by company, mine location/county

Bear Canon Coal – Bear Canon No. 6 Mine - Vallorso, Las Animas Co; C&S, D&RGW
Bear Coal and Coke – Bear Mine – Somerset, Gunnison Co – D&RGW
Calumet Fuel Co. – Delcarbon No. 2 Mine – Delcarbon, Huerfano Co – D&RGW
Calumet Fuel Co. – Somerset Mine – Somerset, Gunnison Co – D&RGW
Calumet Fuel Co. – Oliver No. 2 Mine – Somerset, Gunnison Co. – D&RGW
Canon National Coal – Canon National Mine – Florence – D&RGW
Champion Coal Mining Co. – Hawks Nest Mine – Somerset, Gunnison Co – D&RGW
Clark Coal Co. – Edwards Mine – Somerset, Gunnison Co. – D&RGW
Colorado Fuel & Iron Corp. – Crested Butte Mine – Crested Butte, Gunnison Co – D&RGW
Colorado Fuel & Iron Corp. – Kebler No.2 Mine – Kebler, Huerfano Co. – D&RGW
Colowyo Coal Co. – Red Wing Mine – Craig, Moffat Co. – D&RGW
Corley, W.D., jr. – Corley No. 6 Mine – Florence, Fremont Co. – ATSF/D&RGW
Edna Coal Co. – Edna Strip – Oak Creek, Routt Co. – D&RGW
Gordon Coal Co. – Gordon Mine – Alamo Store, Huerfano Co. – C&S/D&RGW
Butte Valley Mine – Butte, Huerfano Co. – D&RGW
Hayden Coal Co – Hayden No. 4 Mine – Haybro, Routt Co. – D&RGW
Huerfano Coal Co. – Ludlow Mine – Ludlow, Las Animas Co. – C&S/D&RGW
Juanita Coal and Coke Co. – King Mine – Bowie, Delta Co. – D&RGW
Kerr Coal Co. – Cameo Mine – Cameo, Mesa Co. – D&RGW
Minnequa Coal Co. – Morning Glory Mine – Walsenburg, Huerfano Co. – D&RGW
Moffat Coal Co. – Moffat No. 2 Mine – Oak Creek, Routt Co. – D&RGW
Osage Coal Co. – Osage Mine – Milner, Routt Co. – D&RGW
Pikes Peak Fuel Co. – Pike View Mine – Colorado Springs, Elpaso Co. – D&RGW
Victor-American Fuel Co. – Wadge Mine – Harris, Routt Co. – D&RGW

Other roads that handled coal mined in Colorado included the Burlington and the UP.

work safe

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Well the blizzard-like-conditions never materialzed and we're left with about 3 inches of slush. What a job these "forecasters" have! Can you imagine getting paid for being right (perhaps) 50% of the time[?][swg]

Another slow day here at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" Good stuff from Doug 'n CM3 perhaps now our most dependable morning duo.[tup]

A reminder to those who like Pix - you should stop by "my other thread" just to see what you've been missing. Even 20 Fingers Posts over there more than here! Don't even want to try and reconcile that one. Might get me in trouble with the "bleeding hearts" out there![swg]

CM3 That Post of yours is chock full 'o good stuff that I surely didn't know, much less think of. Coal is everywhere![swg] Thanx again for the round and quarters![tup]

I suppose to another Robin, it's a good sign, Doug!

Here's a bit more on the "Theme for the day!" . . .

Denver & Rio Grande (DRGW) (1930)[Wikimedia Commons]


Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom and all assembled!


Back again in the “cabin” atop the mountain. Actually, it’s more like a chalet and we are not quite on the tippity top. But close enough![swg]

It is close enough to noon so that I will order one of your hard roll sandwiches. Roast beef, swiss, ham, lettuce, tomato and mayo – hold the pickle. A Keith’s Pale Ale should do it. And of course, dip into that “Bag o’ Cash” for a round on me![tup]

Just completed my browsing of the pages I have missed and there has been quite a bit, in spite of the absence of some of our “notables.” Good show to all who keep the thread alive![tup] Unfortunately, I am going to have to review it a bit closer in order to do justice to any comments.

I see one of the “Three Horsemen” may have kicked up a “road apple” or two. In looking back at some of my earlier submissions here and elsewhere, cannot say that I have not felt the urge to lay it on the line once or twice![swg] I happen to be in concurrence with the way our Captain has this place running. If there is anyone out there more unlikely to be a regular at something like this – it surely is me. But here I am. Keep coming back for more. So, for the few who stop in and really have not got anything to offer other than the same and lame platitudes, perhaps they should go elsewhere. Really, it does come down to making contributions. For me, it took awhile, but one does indeed have to try, otherwise it is somewhat like being a fish out of water.

Good selection for a “theme” and I offer up a couple of images to support it.













The source for these three posters came from a library down in Calgary. My “room mate” made some photo copies and scanned them in, so I hope the quality has not been degraded. What were we doing at a library[?] A long story, but it was for other than train research, I assure you![swg]

I notice that Theodorebear Ted has not been seen for weeks, maybe even a month. Is all well with him or has he gone the way of a few others[?] Shame, for his contributions were always upbeat and supportive of what goes on around here.

Yes – we SHOULD begin thinking about April 12th. That truly is a significant date in the calendar for “Our” Place and I for one plan to be here – so put my “reservation” down![swg]


Hope to be back before the week ends.

BK

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Just taking a short break from the office and could not resist looking in. Time for a CR and a round for the house. Like todays subject the D&RGW.

DENVER
&
RIO GRANDE
WESTERN Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The D&RGW owned a total of 15 lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. The first two were powered cars delivered for the two car streamlined Budd built PROSPECTORS of November 17, 1941. These cars were the trailing motorized cars of these two car trains. Under each of the four cars of the two PROSPECTOR train sets was a pair of Hercules Diesels running a Generator supplying power to the traction motors. The two train sets were the M-1 and M-2, cars in the M-1 set were JOHN EVANS and DAVID MOFFAT, those in the M-2 were BRIGHAM YOUNG and HEBER C. KIMBALL. The lead units had a control stand small baggage compartment and 44 revenue coach seats. The trailing car in each consist contained eight Sections two Chambrettes (Budd' Company name for a crossways Roomette originally) a buffet and Dinette with Observation Lounge. The two car PROSPECTORS were less than successful being withdrawn from service July 5, 1942 and later returned to Philadelphia where they were scrapped. The High altitude of the Rocky Mountain passes they operated over between Denver and Salt Lake City were their undoing.

POWERED 8 SECTION 2 CHAMBRETTE BUFFET 8 SEAT DINETTE 4 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1941 (Built for and assigned to PROSPECTORS)

DAVID MOFFAT

HEBER C. KIMBALL

Eight of these were stainless steel cars from Budd for the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR sleeping cars consisted of five 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom cars, two 16 Section Sleeping cars and one 3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Vista Dome Lounge Observation. All cars built for assignment to the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR were Budd built stainless steel construction and all carried SILVER prefix names with D&RGW assigned numbers.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company September - November 1948 Plan: 9509 Lot: 9659 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

1130 SILVER PASS

1131 SILVER SUMMIT

1132 SILVER GORGE

1133 SILVER CREEK

1134 SILVER GLACIER

16 SECTION SLEEPING CARS Budd Company October - November 1948 Plan: 9507 Lot: 9639 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

1120 SILVER ASPEN

1121 SILVER PINE

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM 24 SEAT VISTA DOME 12 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE BAR 14 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1948 - January 1949 Plan: 9511 Lot: 9660 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

1145 SILVER SKY

Within months of entering service 1145 SILVER SKY was refitted with a Shower in the Drawing Room Bathroom Annex. The sleeping car space in this car was removed when the RIO GRANDE ZEPHYR replaced the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR and the space became additional lounge space.
One additional sleeping car was built in July - August 1952 for the D&RGW part of an order for six to equip the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR consists with a 6 Double Bedroom 5 Compartment Sleeping car.

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM 5 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CAR Budd Company July - August 1952 Plan: 9534 Lot: 9641-112 (Built for and assigned to CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

1135 SILVER GULL

The two 16 Section Sleeping cars 1120 SILVER ASPEN and 1121 SILVER PINE were remodeled to 48 revenue seat leg rest coaches in October 1964 for continued assignment to the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

TTFN AL

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

My “new” greeting kind of fits, huh[?][swg]

I’ll have a hero sandwich – same-o, same-o – ham, swiss, mustard & butter, 2 large pickles from the barrel and a pitcher of R&H I’m a bit thirsty![swg] Here’s a ten spot for the next round . . . .[tup]

Tom Nice work with your eleventh Railroad from Yesteryear! Eleven! That’s an awful lot of effort and as always, you do it quite well. In fact, I don’t think there’s any question that when someone looks up “how to provide interesting material on the Forums,” the reference comes back as “See siberianmo!” Another 5-[tup]Salute to you Sir![tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]


Enjoyed your submission, Doug and let me say that you really put a lot of effort into this and it shows! A three-[tup] Salute to you, Sir! [tup][tup][tup] If I recall from prior posts – many pages back – you indicated that you really don’t have a background or knowledge for the Classic Trains discussion that our leader wants. Well you sure cudda fooled me! I’d say your contributions to this thread stand on their own two feet and no matter what the source, you always find some very relevant and interesting material. The jokes on the other hand . . . [swg]


G’day to you Mr. Coalminer3 – WHAT IS YOUR NAME[?][banghead][censored]
That’s a “neat” link you made between the D&RG and the coal mines of Colorado. Well done, as always![tup][tup]

Hello Bookend BK![swg] Nice posters![tup][tup] The library,huh[?] Yeah, I bet![swg] With a situation like yours, there ain’t no way I’d have time for a library! [}:)][:-,]
Glad to see you back on your stool, things aren’t quite the same without my “mirror image” being present![swg]

20 Fingers has returned! Looks like Tom and the guys “smoked” you out, huh[?] Just can’t resist those “signature” roads! Nice stuff, as always – and reasonable in length at that![swg]

Rob What’s to say other than when you’re posting, I’m sleeping. Kinda hard to do the “interaction” bit at those times. However, yesterday you really blew our minds with that barrage during daylight. Keeping us off guard, huh[?] Good reading material and appreciated![tup][tup] Sorry the wife was down ‘n out – hope she rebounds for a great Birthday tomorrow. [bday] to Missus Trolleyboy![yeah]

Pete You surely do come up with aspects of the topics that many wouldn’t ever think of. I think Tom really “nailed it,” you are indeed quite an asset around here![tup][tup] Sir Pete! Have aBathams on me . . .


Appears as if my ‘direct tones’ may have created somewhat of a “flap” at the bar. No apologies from me – I stand by my comments about this place and others. I’m here because I like the way the place is run – I like the topic and for the most part, the interaction has been far better than the other forums I’ve participated in over the years. “Participation” is the operative word! ‘Nuf said on that, I hope.


Today the Denver & Rio Grande. Hmmmmmmm. Some thought on that one has to be given. So, let me jump right in with this contribution to the “theme of the day!”


When the "California Zephyr" was inaugurated as a joint effort between Western Pacific, Burlington, and the Rio Grande, the Budd car order was for 30 domes. Based on the total route mileage, each road was apportioned a share of the ownership (and costs) of the cars. The division was Burlington-13, Western Pacific-11, and D&RGW-6. The cars were delivered in 1948.

DRGW #1105 Silver Bronco (1980) (from: www.trainweb.org)



DRGW #1106 Silver Colt (1982) (from: www.trainweb.org)



Next “theme” will be the Great Northern and “Rocky the Goat” huh[?] Better get crackin’ on the research . . . [swg]


Until the next time!

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

Thanks for the Bathams LARS and the kind words[tup].

First I must put my Irish post right. Yes NICK Tralee is in the South WEST of Ireland and not the South East[:I][*^_^*]. I see the 2-6-4 Tank loco #4 is booked to go at least as far as Wexford from Dublin on June 4th.

Great D&RGW Railroad of Yesteryear TOM as I have been fortunate enough to travel on the Durango & Silverton, as far as Cascade Canyon as the first snow of the year had prevented the train going to Silverton. Also later I travelled on the Cumbres & Toltec from Chama to Antinito. These two lines certainly live up to the motto "Scenic Line of the World" and to be hauled by steam as well is an experience to last a life time for a railbuff. [wow][yeah].

The Union Station in Denver is well worth a visit. I suppose it is fortunate that it has survived with the loss of nearly all of the trains. At least a part of the site is now in use as a terminus of the Denver light rail system.
Unfortunatly the photos I have are on 35mm and still in the old land[:(].

Many thanks DOUG,CM3,AL ,LARS ,BK and of course TOM for the pics and the great info on a great railroad PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Sir Tom 5x[tup][:D] The new all purpose salute for you as you've come up with another "heck of a good " theme day,and quite well supported too [:D]

Glad you only got the slusu [;)] you could have got what Nebraska was hit with, then what would you have done,I know gone out and played in it with the dog [:-^]. I will be taking Heather out for a birthday dinner ( great little home made Italian joint in town,possibly run by Vito's brother hmmm )

Glad you liked the photo's of those NW's, I'm not much of a switcher guy either but the earlier ones do have their charm.[tup] Good that you are pitching the year bash as well, the more the merrier eh [?] It will be interesting tio see if any of the legion of the lost pop by that day,for old times sake if nothing else.

Pete Glas that you enjoyed the two steam bits,and your right the people of Wiarton likely didn't think that their station would become a rodent forcasters home. Ph Tom he's right about 50% of the time as well and he's not paid go fibure. [:o]

Pete that building behind the NW2 is what's left of the old Michigan central shops in St Thomas On. It houses the Elgin County Museum's collection,at the moment they are doing some structural repairs to the slab concrete on the roof,hopes are to have it accessable to the public by summer.Thanks for the concern for Heather tis a bit scarry when that sort of thing happens but alls well now. Like Tom said, I shall be happy to tuetor you in the picture process once the time comes

Doug Nice info on today's theme sir,[tup] I had a couple extra thumbs grafted on to assist in the typing yesterday LOL. neat shot of the schoolhouse added to your post,reminds me of the purpose built school cars CN/CP and the BC railways used to travel around with in the wilder interior bits of the country.

CM3 Whodathunkit coal on the DRGW,nice bit o info sir [tup] I'm also glad that you got a kick out of the TH&B and Steam stuff I've posted. [tup]

lars thanks for the greetings and worries about the missus, she's fine now. Thanks to everyone else to who showed their concern as well ( Pete. Tom, doug & Nick )I'm glad that I could keep you on your toes by having to read during the day [;)] Actually i'm on midnights for two daze this week yesterday and today so that's why the daylight posts.Nice dome pix BTW [tup]

BK Aha, nice to have you back today sir. I'm told that Ted's okay but busy,guess we will leave it at that.hopefully he like Mcauther "shall return"Loved those posters, and yes they turned out quite well,give a thanks to the "roommate" for the help in the efforts. All I ahve to say is nice hat on the Old man winter poster [swg]

Al He lives[:O] and comes bearing gifts of streamliners past [swg] Good show sir, nice to see that you were able to come up for air.

Nick Thanks for the hidy-ho and thee round last night, too bad I was working and couldn't enjoy it fully [sigh] good to hear that you are on the mend sorry to hear about your sister though. I figure that I'm semi - amune to such malaise. I work in a store so can't avoid the odd and sundery breathing on me,I figure that i get so much stuff thrown at me that I have a hyper-imune system, that or I'm just a lucky SOB,either way i can't remember the last time I was struck down by the "ick" ( not the fish disease ) Boris a round for everyone as I've strayed [#offtopic] I liked that multi paintscheme shot of Tom's as well,at times before all the passenger equipment got the universal ( and boring ) VIA Blue and Yellow painy job, you might even see action red F's and stainless or Cp tuscan passenger cars teid to CN's and VIA's upto the early 80's one could see a veritable rainbow on passenger trains arounfd the country. Much like the early Amtrak yeasr I'm assuming. Oh BTW enjoyed any good emails lately [?]

Right Bye for the moment

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again folks & asorted other barflies.[:D] Tom here's a couple bucks for a round this evening,I'll pass for the time being as I'm heading onto work in about an hour [sigh]

So in keeping with today's DRGW fest, here's the info i was able to dig out of the archieves. This is locomotive roster and state for teh DRGW as off 1995 just prior to the DRGW/SP merger.

Enjoy Rob.

DRGW Stats as of 1996.

Miles 2,392
locomotives (active) on the roster 299.

SW1200 10 units built by EMD in 1965 #'s 130-139
SW1000 10 units built by EMD in 1966-1968 #'s 140-149
GP 30 24 units built by EMD in 1962-1963 #'s 3001-3008,3010-13,3014-24
GP 35 22 units built by EMD in 1964-1965 #'s 3029-50, 3051-57,3059-62
GP 40 41 units built by EMD in 1966-1971 #'s 3064-3093
GP 40-2 36 units built by EMD in 1972-1983 #'s 3094-3107,3109-3130
GP 40 23 units built by EMD in 1968 #'s 3131-3153 ( ex Conrail )
GP 60 3 units built by GMD in 1990 #'s 3154-3156
SD 45 26 units built by EMD in 1967-1968 #'s 5315-5340
SD 40T-2 71 units built by EMD in 1974-1980 #'s 5341-5401,5403-07,5409-13
SD 50 17 units built by EMD in 1984 #'s 5501-5517
F9A 1 unit built by EMD in 1955 # 5571 ( For Ski train & excursions )
F9B 2 units built by EMD in 1955 #'s 5762-5763
GP9 13 units built by EMD in 1955-1956 # 5903-4,5912- 5913 ,5922,5924,5931,5934,5941,5942,5951,5953,5954

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Another interesting day at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill!”

Today’s “theme” was well received and I’m surprised and most pleased with the responses![tup][tup][tup] Looks like you ganged up on me just to show me you COULD![swg]

Beginning early this AM with Doug then followed by CM3 it was indeed a good start! Surprise of surprises when 20 Fingers Al showed up with his contribution![tup] More pleasant surprise with not only the return of BK but an appearance with RR Posters as well![tup] Then along came Lars with an afternoon epistle chock full of all kinds of “good stuff!”

Appreciate seeing Pete and may I offer that I think it was Lars who layed those nice words on you!

Finally, another daylight Post from Rob – this could be habit-forming, but alas – we all know it isn’t going to be. Nocturnal Rob will be doing his “midnight ramble” before too long![swg]

When April 12th rolls around, I sincerely hope we’ll see a familiar “face” from the past. Our former regulars and stool members are always welcome, however it was their choice to participate or not.

The comment regarding Ted can only be answered with, “He’s a busy guy these days.” Yes, he is missed ‘round here, but life goes on. I really don’t know when we’ll see him again, but I do know he’s not angry with anyone nor disinterested in the bar.


THANX to all for the support, rounds and quarters for our Coal Scuttle – much appreciated![tup]

Repeated:SOME PIX ARE NEEDED! If anyone would like some of their RR Pix Posted this Sunday, send them to me by Email attachments (no more than 4 at a time, please). Really running low on material for Sunday Photo Posting Day! THANX!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

Hey Rob!

Snuck that one in on me, eh[?][swg]

That's quite an impressive list of motive power, would never have guessed as much. Always an educational experience when you and several others take the time and make the effort to contribute relevant material![tup][tup][tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends. I'll have a bottomless draught, and of course buy a round for the house after this very successful theme day! Great work on the Wikipedia article Mr. Tom. CM3 put in theme related material, BK provided adds, Al put in a streamliner, Lars submitted dome pix, Peter shared some memories and Rob provided stats! [wow] Great job guys! Here's another little blurb from me:

From the pages of Mar. 1936 Railroad Stories

The D&RG baby shown here is probably the only engine which stopped herself by burying her drivers in silver.


In my many years as boomer machinist and big hook engineer, the strangest wreck I ever saw was on the D&RG. I was general foreman at Chama, N.M.. One night I got an order to take the wrecker gang to Lumberton. There we found a passenger engine in a box car. The roof was knocked off, but the sides were still standing.

This engine had split the switch and taken the siding, on which stood a string of freight. Pony truck and tender stayed on the rails, but the engine plower for 4 ft. into a carload of silver and lead, which may give an idea of its speed. Nobody hurt. We moved the car 100 yds. To a crossing and then rerailed the engine. – W.D. Adamson

[:I] After she woke up, a woman told her husband, "I just dreamed that you gave me a pearl necklace for Valentine's day. What do you think it means?"
"You'll know tonight." he said. That evening, the man came home with a small package and gave it to his wife. Delighted, she opened it - to find a book entitled "The Meaning of Dreams." [:I]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A Bathams as a nightcap please and a drink for anyone who calls in[tup].

ROB Thanks for the info on the Michigan shops I'm glad they are being saved and will be open to the public.
One famous loco works has not been so lucky.
I was reading today that nearly all of the Midland Railway (of England) locomotive works in DERBY has been demolished. It opened in 1839 and built nearly 3000 steam locos. the first British main line diesel locos were also built there, although new build finished there in 1978. One bit of good news is that the 1839 North Midland Railway roundhouse has been saved.

Interesting list on the DRGW locos. I have not seen a Rio Grande liveried loco through here for quite a while now. I will check my notes to see what classes they were with help from your list. [tup].
Enjoy Heather's birthday dinner tomorrow[bday][yeah].

DOUG Thanks for the D&RG stories, those Railroad Stories articles are wonderful[^].

Well TOM an excellent day at the bar many thanks[tup][tup][tup]. PETE.

[siberianmo]

(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)

We open at 6 AM (all time zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Wednesday is here! Great way to begin the day is right here with a cuppa Joe – some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you’re really hungry, try our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

If you wake up feelin’ halfway ‘tween “Oh Lord,” and “My God,” you overdid it![swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Great Northern Railway (GN) arrives next Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 05:17:48 (282) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 05:56:10 (282) Theme for the Day – D&RG, etc. & joke

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 07:30:37 (282) RRs from Yesteryear – D&RG

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 08:15:00 (282) Theme for the Day – D&RG, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 12:29:10 (282) Acknowledgments & Theme for the Day!

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 13:06:29 (282) BK Report & Theme for the Day Posters!

(7) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 13:17:08 (282) Theme for the Day! Streamlined Sleeping cars

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 14:52:29 (282) Theme for the Day Pix! & Inclusive Post!

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 15:45:34 (282) PM Post

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 17:01:20 (282) Inclusive Post, etc.

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 18:50:17 (282) Theme for the Day!


(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 18:56:40 (282) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 19:04:40 (282) reply to trolleyboy

(14) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 21:16:18 (282) Theme for the Day, Inclusive Post & joke

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 22:59:46 (282) PM Post



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features! Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 19th thru 25th: Midnight Run (1988) starring: Robert De Niro, Charles Grodin & Yaphet Kotto – and - The Greatest Show on Earth (1952) starring: Betty Hutton, Cornel Wilde & Charlton Heston. SHORT: Hello Pop (1933).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have two light breakfasts please. Sure glad we missed the winter storm that hit south of here, as I am more than ready for the end of winter. Here's my Pike piece for this morning:

From the pages of Sep. 1946 Railroad Magazine

Drop a pill in her stack and Lionel’s new Hudson model spumes smoke. It’s just one of the many features of electronic railroading


Christmas 1946 will have added significance for war-starved tin-platers. Not only will the old standbys be on the market again – the locomotives, passenger and freight cars, and auxiliary coal hoppers, magnet cranes, log-loaders and drawbridges – but Lionel has announced two discoveries which may usher in a new era in model railroading. By December, the smoke-puffing locomotives and electrically-controlled trains now wheeling round the curves in Lionel’s triple track will be ready in numbers to meet all demands of present and would-be operators of O-Gage.

In their plant at Irvington, N.J., attention has been drawn away from the manufacture of other gages to put pressure on O-Gage tinplate, standard for Lionel. It will be at least another year before OO and O27 scale is cast and assembled again. This way, the company will be able to concentrate on its bestsellers for the Christmas rush, sidestepping the problem of gradual conversion by turning its million-dollar weapon and instrument assembly line into full production of model trains.

While newcomers may be startled by these two inventions, neither is an overnight discovery. Operation smoke cost Lionel $17,000 and five years of experimentation, since it demanded a compound which would be both harmless and stainless. In the early days, their chemist thought the formula could be easily reached. Yet his first combinations had the unhappy faculty of varying between powders which gave off deadly fumes when changed to smoke, and those that exploded when compressed into pellets. His finished product, however, is something which Lionel can well brag about. Somewhat smaller than an aspirin, it is odorless and nonpoisonous, and disintegrates without leaving any residue.

A single pill is good for about four hours; inserting two, we’re told, will add nothing to the density of the smoke. The pill is dropped into the smokestack of the engine before the current is turned on. There, a specially-designed General Electric light bulb generates just the right amount of warmth to make it smoke. Then when the engine moves forward, a small flutter valve underneath the locomotive admits air and smoke puffs out the stack. Down the track she goes, trailing a white plume whose airlines would make the most conscientious foreman proud.

Yet though smoke may provide the best propaganda for selling the postwar trains, the hubbub among technical enthusiasts who gather around the Lionel setup is caused by the company’s second scoop of the year: electronic control. By means of a small control box, it is now possible to make one, two, or more trains go forward or reverse independently of one another at any point of the track, and to operate mechanisms along the right-of-way. Formerly, the train had to be standing on a special section of track to uncouple or couple the cars. Now, y pressing a button on the controller – and there is housing for ten – operations can be made anywhere in the circuit, whether the train is in motion or standing still.

A transmitter and a fixed number of receivers, which latter are activated by the radiation of medium radio frequency waves, are basic parts of the system. Two leads from the model’s regular transformer lead to the track. These are the only necessary connections. The transmitter, containing but one standard radio tube, generates frequency waves, superimposing them on the power carrier.

The impulses sent into the cars are picked up by miniature receivers incorporated in the body or attached to the underframe of each car of the train. Every receiver is pretuned to one of ten frequencies radiated from the transmitter, and responds to the touch of the corresponding push button on the panel. A colored marker on the side of each car or mechanism identifies it with the correct indicator. Uncoupling a train from end to end is now a simple matter.

Master transmitter checks the uniformity of frequency controls before locomotives are shipped from Irvington, N.J. plant


Lionel’s plans for the future include a practical guarantee that its prewar models will not become obsolete because of this fundamental change. Provisions have been made to locate stations in every section of the country, where locomotives – built originally for $46 and up – can be converted at a nominal cost. This service will not be available until next year, and the extent to which this will affect the average model enthusiast is still conjecture. If production costs can be slashed, however, electronic control might be as common within a decade as bending switches by remote control is today.

Plugging in the receiver. Lionel engineer displays underframe of tanker, where car’s electronic receiver will be attached. A similar mechanism controls locomotive reversing.


Overshadowed by the firm’s two major innovations is the extended use of plastics in car construction. Research on plastics in car construction. Research on plastics begun before the war, has been so successful that plastic has superseded metal as building material for molded passenger and freight cars. Its light weight and in=grain colors are unparalleled in metalwork of comparable cost and these models are durable enough to last forever given proper handling. Under present schedules, all equipment will be plastic, except for engines and tenders which are die cast or metal.

One novelty attracting great attention is Lionel’s new water tower, operated on the electronic control circuit. As a tender is spotted under it, the operator presses a control button and the spout moves over the manhole. With a grinding of gears, the water mark drops in the tank as the tender is supposedly filled. The secret of where the ink-stained water goes is simple, yet not so obvious. It is drawn up through an inner cylinder, then poured back into the outer receptacle.

Five years of military service has not caught Lionel unprepared for the boom market. By Christmas, miniature trains will be available in large numbers.

[:I] One day a blonde was riding on an airplane. There was a loud noise that came from outside the plane. The captain came on the intercom, "Attention passengers, we just lost one of our engines; but don't worry, the other three engines will keep us up. Also, we will arrive at our destination about an hour behind schedule."
Half an hour later, another loud noise sounded from outside the plane. The captain once again came on the intercom, "Attention passengers, do not be alarmed. We lost another engine, but the other two will still keep us flying. We will arrive at our destination about three hours late."
After the captain said this, the blonde leaned over to the passenger next to him and said, "If those other two engines go out, we'll be up here forever." [:I]

[siberianmo]

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SOMETHING SPECIAL WILL BE POSTED TOMORROW!

Little Known Operating Railroads #1 will arrive on track #1 at 10 AM (Central) –

WATCH FOR IT!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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