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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, March 9, 2006 3:00 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and Gents at the Bar!

I seem to be following BK from place to place again. Different time zones, but similar check-in habits - within an hour or so, that is.[tup]

Another drag of a day at the "Now You See It, Now You Don't" bar & grill. No matter, there's plenty of company inside with the likes of Boris and his pet armadillo, Tex scrambling about, just looking for an ankle to sink those chompers into.<ouch> Rodent! (Is that what they are[?])

Set me up with a hero sandwich, just a half will do - make it the "regular" along with a frosty mug of that Keiths that you seem to like so well. Not a bad brew, but surely would taste much better sitting up in the dome car of a Via Rail train heading to the Maritimes, eh[?] Sorry if that brings a tear to your eye, Mate, nearly forgot about the demise of those fine trains on that run. However, the brew's good![swg]

Hey, that's a killer site your sweetie found for you, BK, just chock full o' pix for future
use. I'll be checking that one out meself.[tup]

I noticed one of the "intellects" back again on our Forum with more of the same crap. One day ... nah, cool it, chill and let it go.<urge to inflict hurt>

I'll just settle back over here in the corner and check out what' s in the papers today. Pretty much same stuff, huh[?] When is the real paper coming out - ya know, the Gazette[?] Now that's a better read anytime.[tup]

Don't forget I'm here Tom - in fact, I'll just roll the empty bottle your way when I need another! Class, huh[?]

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, March 9, 2006 1:57 PM
Hello Again, Captain Tom

Just a post script to the aforementioned. Giving credit where credit is due, my lovely lady is responsible for not only providing me with the expertise regarding the "how to's" she also found the web site where the photos are! A tandem operation up here in Alberta's high country!

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, March 9, 2006 1:51 PM
Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!

A fine selection for your European Trains. Traveled in Germany aboard ICE some years back and quite frankly the trip was so uneventful at times it was almost a "non moving" experience. Great engineering and an extremely smooth and comfortable trip, if memory still recalls correctly. As usual, no photos. Was not a rail fan experience, was strictly business.

Regards to all who passed along their best wishes and a round on me if you please! I think there is time for me to indulge a bit, so I will have a Southern Comfort on ice, thank you!

Here is a first for me, mark it down! I am going to provide two photos from my newly established internet account with PhotoBucket.com. Amazing, eh[?] I know you prefer photos for Sundays, but please indulge me a bit as these definitely fit well within your EuroTheme of the Ice Train:

ICE Train at Munich, Germany (credit: www.freefoto.com)


and

ICE Train at Munich, Germany


How is that[?][swg] An accomplishment for the likes of me![tup]

Changing gears. I thought your dissertation this morning was well put, but lost on those who need or needed it. The guys looking in and participating already are in the fold. If you have noticed, I try not to pay attention to the ignorant, self centered and otherwise indulgent bunch. They come and they go here as in life. Try not to let their deficiencies weigh you down. Just some advice.

I am going to check out your other thread and provide the same photos over there. Why not[?][swg]

Before departing I should say how much your Lionel and American Flyer pieces were enjoyed. They provided some good reading and this morning's installment of your nostalgia brought back some thoughts of my own. Again, not that I was a strident toy train enthusiast, but Lionel did occupy a special place in my early years. Much appreciated![tup]

Continuing on with some fine contributions from Rob & Doug so there is no loss for material around the place. Also the "attendance" has picked up a bit now that Sir Nick has rejuvenated the place. Just curious, are the Brit guys heading up to Toronto for your rendezvous[?] What a gathering that would make. Now if I could convince my intended to postpone the wedding . . .

One more, then I must try out my new-found talent elsewhere.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:01 AM



RAILWAYS of EUROPE #4 – ICE (Germany)


Deutsche Bahn (DB)


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InterCity Express



ICE train (Wikipedia)

The InterCity Express or ICE is a type of high-speed train operated by DB Fernverkehr in Germany and neighboring countries, for example to Zürich, Switzerland or Vienna, Austria. ICE-trains also run at lower speeds to Amsterdam, Netherlands and to Liège and Brussels, Belgium on the Belgian highspeed way. The Spanish railway operator RENFE also employs these trains, and the Russian state ordered 60 for new high-speed routes between Saint Petersburg and Moscow. The new management of the Russian railways is reviewing the order and apparently plans to reduce it to six trains. Another 60 trains were ordered for the Chinese Beijing-Tianjin high-speed rail line.

Equipment and specifications


3rd Generation ICE "Frankfurt am Main" (GNU Free Documentation)

ICE equipment is manufactured by an industrial consortium led by Siemens AG.

ICE trains require special high-speed tracks to run at high speeds, but can run on normal tracks at normal speeds.

The first generations were derived from the then-new class 120 electric locomotives. The powerheads of those units are in fact upgraded 120s with a more aerodynamic lining. Passenger cars can be coupled and uncoupled for maintenance, enabling the operator to run trains of different lengths. First-generation trains are currently undergoing a major redesign, including a standardization of train lengths.

The third generation ICE has a completely different concept: The entire traction equipment is fitted underfloor, with a larger number of less powerful motors. An ICE 3 unit consists of eight cars, four of which are powered, while the others carry other electrical equipment, including the pantographs. This design allow seats in all parts of the train, including "lounge" seats at both ends separated from the driver by a glass wall only.

The ICE 3M (class 406) is a multisystem variant of the ICE 3 that currently serves routes into the Netherland and Belgium. Licensing for French LGVs started in 2001 and has been described by engineers as a "clash of cultures". Problems included flying gravel and trackside equipment ripped loose by the ICE's magnetic brakes. Admission of the ICE 3M for regular service into France is expected late 2005 or early 2006.

ICE-T


ICE-TD train (Wikimedia Commons)

Simultaneously to the development of the ICE 3, DB demanded new tilting trainsets to be able to serve conventional tracks that couldn't be upgraded to higher speeds. Originally these trains were to be called IC-T (InterCity-Triebzug), but just prior to their introduction, DB decided to charge ICE fares for these trains and renamed them ICE-T. These trains are constructed to a concept of distributed traction similar to the ICE 3. Three different types were ordered:

• electric train with 7 cars (class 411)
• electric train with 5 cars (class 415)
• diesel train with 4 cars (class 605)

Units of either of these types can be coupled with one or more unit of the same or any other type within a few minutes.

The electric units, equipped with tilting technology of the ETR 460 bought from FIAT, entered service in 1998. A second order for additional series 411 ICE-Ts. These units, known as ICE-T2, were delivered in 2004. The main difference to the original ICE-Ts are several cost-cutting measures, giving those trains a "cheaper" look and feel.

For the diesel units, called ICE-TD, Siemens developed their own tilting technology, based on the aiming system of the Leopard 2 main gun. These trainsets became something of an embarrassment. They were to be delivered in 2000, but braking problems caused delays, so they entered service in spring 2001. Their first year in operation was overshadowed by software failures and problems with the tilting technology. One of the 20 trains fell off a maintenance platform and had to be written off. When those problems were fixed and the train finally ran without apparent problems in December 2002, a train derailed because of a broken axle. The trains were temporarily pulled out of service by the federal rail authority. When Siemens had fixed the problem, DB refused to take the trains back, claiming they weren't meeting specifications. It is speculated that besides technical difficulties, these trains were an economical burden as well. Source claim that even when filled to capacity, income from fares would be below the operating cost.

Network


ICE network in Germany
Red: 300 km/h
Orange: 250 km/h
Blue: 200 km/h
Grey: Conventional lines

Unlike the French TGV network, which is centered around Paris, the ICE network has multiple nodes. The ICE network is not a replacement of the InterCity network, but an upgrade. ICE and IC trains usually share the same tracks. The main difference being the higher speed: While the ICE trains travel at the maximum line speed, IC trains are limited to 200 km/h. The only line that is not shared with other traffic is the 300 km/h Köln-Frankfurt line due to its steep grades. In fact, it is limited to ICE3 trainsets, even the older ICE types have to take the longer route through the Rhine valley. The second 300 km/h line between Nuremberg and Ingolstadt, due to be opened on 28th May 2006, will not have these restrictions. The line will also feature Germany's fastest commuter line at 200 km/h.

Since the early 1970s, hundreds of kilometers of existing tracks have been upgraded to 200 km/h. As a result, ICE trains are able to use most conventional lines without losing too much time in the process. This allowed a rapid growth of the ICE network without the need to build several thousand kilometers to new high-speed lines. Actually, even two of the high-speed lines (Köln-Aachen at 250 km/h and Hamburg-Berlin at 230 km/h) are in fact upgraded conventional lines.

North to South

The network includes three main north-to-south corridors that start in Hamburg:

• via Bremen, Dortmund, Köln, Frankfurt and Stuttgart to Munich (branch Frankfurt - Karlsruhe - Basel)
• via Hanover, Kassel and Nuremberg to Munich
• via Berlin, Leipzig and Nuremberg to Munich

West to East

Three main west-to-east routes exist in the network:

• Bonn - Köln - Hamm - Hanover - Berlin
• Köln - Dortmund - Kassel - Lepzig - Dresden
• Saarbrücken - Frankfurt - Leipzig - Dresden

International lines

Several ICE lines cross the German borders into neighboring countries:

• Frankfurt - Köln - Duisburg into the Netherlands to Amsterdam
• Frankfurt - Köln - Aachen into Belgium to Liège and Brussels (Köln-Liège-Brussels also Thalys)
• Frankfurt - Stuttgart into Switzerland to Zürich
• some trains to Basel continue into Switzerland to Interlaken and Chur
• some trains to Nuremberg continue via Passau into Austria to Vienna.
• some trains to Munich continue into Austria via Kufstein to Innsbruck.
• some trains go in Austria between Vienna and Innsbruck.

After a lengthy process of trials and technical adjustments, a new line will be opened from Frankfurt and Stuttgart into France to Paris, which will be served alternatingly with ICE and TGV trains starting in 2007.

History


An ICE 1 train at Frankfurt Airport (Wikimedia Commons)

The ICE originated as a concept for new land-based high-speed public transportation for Germany, competing with the Transrapid monorail system. The ICE succeeded in being adopted nationwide in Germany, but development on the Transrapid system has also continued.

It is argued that the ICE prospered in part because of its ability to run on conventional tracks (albeit not at full speeds - on tracks near stations they are known to be passed by commuter trains, especially by S-Bahn trains). The shared use of old tracks also means that conventional trains often have to wait for late ICEs to pass, leading to further delays.

ICE established the world speed record for conventional trains on 1 May 1988 although it has since been surpassed by French TGV.

In 1998, a large ICE train accident occurred - Germany's worst ever passenger train disaster. The accident was due to the steel "tire" being separated from the rest of one of the train's wheels, breaking the track and causing the rest of the train to derail and collide with a concrete bridge that spanned the track.

At the time, the ICE trains used a two part wheel with a steel tire separated from the rest of the steel wheel by an elastomeric ring designed to better absorb noise and vibration. But the elastomeric separator allowed the steel tire to flex, eventually leading to metal fatigue that fractured the tire. While common in low-speed use, this two-part wheel design had never before been used on high-speed trains.

ICE service was resumed only after an investigation found the root cause of this broken wheel and after all ICE train wheels were modified to use a more conventional solid-wheel design.

Controversy

The initial development of the ICE was somewhat controversial, due to the existence of the French TGV, which had already been in operation. Arguably, the Deutsche Bahn/German state could have bought TGV technology or trains. Proponents of the decision to go ahead and develop the ICE contend that the ICE is actually only a slightly upgraded conventional train, based on existing technology already superior to the TGV, and that the development of such technology by German companies was an important investment in the future of a German high-tech industry and knowledge economy. While most international competitions were lost to the TGV consortium, technologies developed for the ICE have been applied to the construction of conventional trains with significant economic success.

Critics argue that the project was a waste of tax payers' money, since such a similar end product could have been bought "off the shelf" (referring to the option of buying TGV trains). There were also claims that it was a nationalist exercise, and that the go-ahead for ICE development constituted the then German government subsidizing certain large companies.

This argument, however, subsided and the ICE has persevered to provide a large scale, nationwide service in Germany.

Trivia

• Most seats have an audio minijack, allowing passengers to plug in headphones and choose from about 7 music/entertainment channels and radio stations. Basic headphones can be purchased on the trains.
• On most ICE trains, there is at least one (usually 1st class) carriage where individual seats are equipped with LCD screens, built into the backrest of the seat in front. Usually there are two video channels to choose from, which typically show feature films. There are no speakers, but the corresponding audio is available via the audio minijack (see above).
• The vast majority of ICE trains have power outlets for electrical devices, such as laptops. On ICE2 trains, these are located under the tray tables. In the other ICE train types, they are located between seats just above the floor. Some 50 units of the 220-train fleet are still unequipped with power sockets. These trains are currently undergoing a modernization program. By 2008, all ICE trains are expected to have power sockets.
• An electronic display above each seat indicates the locations between which the seat has been reserved. Passengers without reservation are permitted to take the seats with a blank display, or the seats with no reservation on the current section.
• At both ends of ICET and ICE3 trains there is a passenger compartment (one end 1st and the other end 2nd class) with a view of the tracks, through a transparent glass wall separating the compartment from the driver's cabin. In special circumstances the driver can make the wall opaque by the press of a button.
• There is a compartment with a play area for children.
• Bicycles are not permitted on any ICE trains.
• All ICE trains have repeater carriages. These amplifiers greatly enhance mobile phone reception by taking the signals from within the car to the outside (and vice versa). These carriages are marked with a symbol depicting a mobile phone.
• There are also silent carriages where laptops, mobile phones and other "noisy" equipment should not be used. These carry a sticker displaying a whispering symbol.
• Three specially-built washing-bays for ICE trains exist at Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Frankfurt-Höchst and München Hbf (Munich main station)


Germany: DB ICE Train at Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof (Wikimedia Commons)


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Did you miss the first three in the series[?] Click on the URLs:

(1) British Rail, page 247
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=247&TOPIC_ID=35270

(2) Eurostar, page 248
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=248&TOPIC_ID=35270

(3) TGV of France, page 255
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=255&TOPIC_ID=35270



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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, March 9, 2006 10:17 AM
Good Morning Tom and Gents at the Bar!

An uncharacteristically early post for me, I know! However, thought I’d try to acknowledge the rest of you who passed along your “congrats” my way regarding the Order of the Stools! Thanks.[tup]

I suppose in retrospect, some of you may think, “Good Grief Charlie Brown, this guy doesn’t have a life!” Well, I assure you that I do and am not generally one to get overwhelmed by surprises and the like. But, I will share this – for some unexplained reason, this connection with the bar has really been a “tonic’ for me. Much of it has to do with retirement, sedentary lifestyle, contributing, interaction, and so forth. Tom’s bar fills a void, in a sense, something that works for me.

Tom I couldn’t agree any more with the way you expressed your feelings about the bar. As in life, some guys you connect with, others you don’t. Move on is the idea, otherwise one gets consumed. Glad you got the email and appreciate the response.[tup]

I am awaiting the arrival of the ICE Train and have already “peeked” at what’s out there on the web. However, I stayed away from Wikipedia.[swg] Really did. I don’t recall the year, but the ICE Train made a visit to the U.S. and I checked it out. Pretty much in the same timeframe the tilting train from Sweden, the X2000 passed through as well. Both great looking trains and both made me wonder, “When is the U.S. going to get moving on the technology that is successful throughout many places elsewhere[?]” Still no answer to that, huh[?]

Nice “bit” on the Lionel vs AF this morning. I was “into” that aspect of it as a kid too. Even got into a fistfight over trains in the schoolyard. Really did.[tup] I won! But lost, when my father took the belt to my hide.[tdn] “You don’t beat up on your friends, you idiot, they are too far and few between!” Words to remember, I’d say.

Pete, Rob, Nick, Doug & CM3 “hello” and THANKS for your kind words! Enjoyed your posts too.[tup] Burlington Zephyr and Norfolk & Western, all in one place![tup][tup][tup]

I bit of a “notice,” something may screw me up for this Monday. But by all means, don’t let that interfere with the Birthday Bash! It is the actual day for Doug and makes perfect sense to hold it then – especially since he will be off from work. I’ll know better by this time tomorrow. Just wanted to let you know. As far as St. Patrick’s Day is concerned, I’ll do what I can to help out. But “host” is not really my “thing.” Hey, I’m Scandinavian – Norwegian as a matter of fact – both sides! However, on that day, just a “touch” of the Irish overtakes the best of us![swg]

Set ‘em up, Tom drinks on Lars!


Until the next time!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 9:30 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Congrats to Lars on his "elevation."

Also appreciated more Lionel information and Zephyr material and other information as well.

Here is some N&W material. It's interesting to see in all of this that there was still a fair amount of service on the old Wabash.

Norfolk and Western
Passenger Service – 1969

Norfolk-Cincinnati

N&W 3 and 4 “The Pocahontas”

Sleeping Car: 10 rtte/6db: Norfolk-Cincinnati
Diner-Lounge: Norfolk-Williamson
Reclining Seat Dome Coach: Norfolk-Cincinnati
Reclining Seat Coaches: Norfolk-Cincinnati

Complimentary meals served to sleeping car passengers

Breakfast – 6:00 a.m. – 10:00 p.m.
Dinner – 5:30 p.m. – 10:00 p.m.

Dining car arrived westbound at Williamson at 2:10 a.m.
Dining car departed eastbound from Williamson at 4:50 a.m.

New York-Bristol

PC/SOU/N&W 41 and 42 “The Pelican”

Reclining Seat Coaches: New York-Washington
Reclining Seat Coaches: Washington-Bristol

New York-New Orleans

PC/SOU/N&W/SOU 17 and 18 “Birmingham Special”

Diner: Washington-Monroe
Reclining Seat Coaches: Washington-Birmingham; Birmingham-New Orleans; Roanoke-Norfolk (handled in N&W 3 and 4); Roanoke –Bluefield (handled in N&W 3 and 4)

St. Louis – Decatur – Chicago

N&W 121 and 124 “The Bluebird”

Dining Car-Cocktail Lounge: Decatur-Chicago
Reclining Seat Coaches: St. Louis-Chicago

Diner departed Decatur at 12:00 noon for Chicago
Diner arrived in Decatur from Chicago at 8:29 p.m.

Orland Park – Chicago

N&W 112/113

Coaches (commuter service)

Detroit – St. Louis

N&W 301/304 “Wabash Cannon Ball”

Buffet coach: Detroit-St. Louis
Reclining Seat Coaches: Detroit-St. Louis

I'm sure the "car department" can shed some more light on these

work safe

P.S. Has the theme for next week been decided?
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 9, 2006 9:24 AM
Good Morning!

Second day in succession where the rains have prevented Juneau and I from taking our 6:30 AM trek around the subdivision. (I don’t call it a neighborhood, for these days and in these places, I have my doubts whether most even know what a bona fide neighborhood is! Oh, [yeah] – forgot, the popularization [or dumbing down – take your pick] is now simply, “the hood.”) Now where was I[?] Oh, yes – the spring rains, a tad early, but most definitely appreciated and much needed. “They” say we’ll probably get more precip in the next couple of days than we have had since the end of fall. Bring it on![swg]

Hope this day brings a smile to your faces and some warmth to your hearts! So, on to the acknowledgments:

LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:56:36


Thanx for the Email! Appreciate your straightforwardness and kind words about the bar, the Order of the Stools and my mental health![swg] In all categories, I’d say all’s well. To share a bit of this with those who actually read what is written on these pages – Lars isn’t shy about stating what he feels are our strengths and weaknesses. I concur with an awful lot of his (and those from BK) feelings. Unfortunately, there are some who may be on the “squeamish side” of fortitude and the like. So, perhaps this is the time for you to skip onto something else . . . .[swg]

The Order of the Stools began as MY way of recognizing those of you who demonstrated the willingness to engage in the banter at the bar and of course make contributions to the topic of Classic Trains. The early on selections were quite arbitrary – first one going to the our first customer, and so forth. I would think the guys all understand the pecking order. Later on, I developed a “Permanent Stool” idea for the purpose of solidifying our base with people who seemed to have the potential to keep things running, without having to be reminded, etc.

So, when I made my comments yesterday about some of my “poor selections,” it had to do with simply misjudging intentions and perhaps character in some cases – both with the “Reserved & Permanent” selections. It seemed that in at least three “Permanent Stool” inductions, the guys fell flat in terms of MY expectations. That’s not their fault, it’s mine. But what was so disappointing was that the three of them really seemed to enjoy the place.

So, Lars let’s just say that your place at the bar is yours for as long as you want it. Don’t put too much into expectations, just continue on continuing on.[tup] “Permanent Stool” members on the other hand either pick up the slack or I invite them to hit the bricks. How in the world can one be considered as part of the “core” or the “nucleus” and then “blow off” pretty much most of what goes on ‘round here[?] That, my friend, is what bothers me and perhaps will ultimately cause me to pull the plug on it all.

Sounded to me as if the “induction” really got to you![swg] From what we’ve discussed, it seems that “life on the Forums” can and does imitate “real life.” Ups ‘n downs, and so forth. It’s a pleasure having guys like you spend the time with us. You’ve made an impression on the guys and are part of the group, fer sure, fer sure![tup]


pwolfe Pete
Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 21:03:56


Those two companies, A. C. Gilbert ‘n Lionel Corp. were clearly the “giants” of the toy train industry in their day. (Not talking of today’s Lionel, far, far different in all respects.) The times were far, far different as well. Boys were being raised as boys and this social experiment of uni-sex child raising wasn’t yet on the drawing boards. Boys played with toy guns, Cowboys & Indians was a “biggie,” and dressing up like soldiers seemed to be part of the process as well. Electric trains found a huge niche in the growing up process, which is still evident for those of us still growing up![swg]

The “battles” that CM3 alluded to in yesterday’s Post were commonplace where I lived. On of my best friends was an AF guy.<groan> But, I’ll reveal my innermost secret (which I’ve done before on this Thread) I liked his trains better than mine! Yep – he had the Santa Fe Alcos pulling a 4-car passenger consist in gleaming livery with a red band (I think) above the windows. What a train! Then later on, his family gave him a freight set, a steam loco with huge drivers with “white walls!” Man, were those trains great looking. I was green with envy, but never let on. Nope, it was Lionel to the end![swg] Once back into my “haunts” a walk in closet type room turned train room, my Lionel trains would quickly have me forget anything else as I became mesmerized in the sights and sounds of two trains running in opposite directions – smoke pouring from the steamer, whistle blowing in the tender and the headlights dancing all over the walls and structures around the layout. My passenger “set” was a pieced together affair (previously explained) and powered by a switcher engine (PRR diesel). The three illuminated passenger cars looked great with the lights in the room turned out. All the lighting, if I recall, came from the switch machines, the switches themselves, the transformer, the one light tower, a work caboose with searchlight, the loco headlights, the illuminated bumpers and the passenger cars. Oh yes, my passenger station had dual lights on either side of the front entry way. Lights out – trains running – Lionel was “it!”’[swg]

Here I am approaching 68, and those memories are as vivid today as if they occurred yesterday. Funny, I can’t recall the names of some of the gals I met in faraway places, but that’s another story!<grin>


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 21:53:20 and 22:06:33


Figured you’d be all for the Stool selection! That kinda rounds it out for now, eh[?] Having a sound nucleus of guys who give a Rat’s Patoot has always been one of the goals I’ve set. Just haven’t been able to keep ‘em all together.

Glad you were able to come up for air and spend a minute or two with us. I know how tiring the work you are doing can be – but somehow, don’t you find the time ‘round here a bit on the relaxing side[?] It’s far better, of course, when there are some guys to communicate back, rather than have to wait. Such is life on the Forums. My guess is that if we got into “Instant Messenger” and those types of capabilities, we’d not enjoy what we have as much. No record, for one thing, and “instant” is perishable, if you know what I mean[?] At least with this type of arrangement, one has the time to compose, review and submit. I like that . . .

Nice job on your revised INDEX! Hope the guys take the time to “bookmark” or “save” it. I do and did. [swg]


nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 03:53:04


Sounds as if the “grip” has got ya in it’s grip![tdn] When the “bod” sez it’s time to get prone, one must follow the orders. Obviously, you’re not back quite yet . . so do what must be done in order to resume your duties ‘round here! What in #*@ do you think the salary is for[?] Ooooooops, sorry – slipped away from my “compassionate” self, didn’t I[?][swg]

That track plan you described, is it “real,” or in the planning stages[?] And, what’s the deal with the differing track codes[?] I’m not sure I follow the thought with that.


barndad Doug
Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 05:35:12


Burlington Zephyr, now if anything should shake 20 Fingers out of whatever is bothering him, my guess is he’ll jump all over the topic. Not quite sure what to make of our “left coast” friend lately. Ill or not ill[?] Part of the bar or not[?] Haven’t seen him on “my other thread” either, but he has been observed elsewhere. Hmmmmmmmmm.

So, your comments about my RR inventory are somewhat dated, eh[?] or did I miss something[?] [yeah] I’m very much a “detail” kinda guy when it comes to keeping track of things in my life. Records of this ‘n that. Don’t quite know how to explain it, but it’s just something I seem to enjoy doing. None of it amounts to more than a bucket with a hole in it, but for me, every now ‘n then, I like to look at my assorted inventories of the layouts and enjoy the reality that it’s all right downstairs in the Can-Am trainroom[swg]

Oh yes, I do have an inventory of all the figures (people ‘n animals) but no names ….. yet![swg] Smart-A!!!<grin>


Okay, boyz, I’ll be here for the day!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 9, 2006 5:35 AM
Good morning Tom and gang! I'll have my usual two light breakfasts. Please put them on a table across the room, as I need the exercise.Rob, I'm with you .... it's not only a good idea to keep track of the issues of magazines you have, but also an index of the articles that are in them. I sorta got a start on that a few days ago. Our proprieter here blew me away when he not only named the trainsets on his layout, the make and year of each model, and also the make and year of each vehicle. Tom, did you also provide a list of names and ages of all the people too? I can't rembember. Anywho ... thanks for the index on your "stuff"!

I see Nick was first here this AM. Is the layout you mentioned actually built?

And now ... here's Part I of another Zephyr article:

The Burlington Zephyrs – March 1937 Railroad Stories

One of the new Denver Zephyr trains. It is composed of twelve cars (only ten are shown in the photo), two of which house the motive power units: The first car two 900-horsepower diesel engines and the second a 1200-horsepower diesel engine.


While it was not exactly a prosperous one, the year 1933 was one of the most momentous in the history of American railroading. It marked the birth of the Diesel-electric, streamlined passenger train. Ere twelve months were up it wan on the rails, and today a couple dozen more are or soon will be in service. Thus a whole revolution in the technique of railroading has been effected, and a new type of transport train has become another commonplace in the railroad business.

The Diesel-electric, streamlined passenger train has been making good – not necessarily because it is Diesel-electric, but simply because it has given the customer more in comfort, speed and looks and also because it has caught his attention more effectually. No better case in point can be found than the largest group of Diesel-electrics on any other American road, the Burlington’s fleet of eight Zephyrs.

The original Zephyr, which broke all long-distance speed records on a demonstration journey from Denver to Chicago at an average of 77.6 miles an hour, was completed in the spring of 1934 and was put in service late that fall between Kansas City, Mo., and Lincoln, Neb., via Omaha. It was so successful in attracting new passengers that it has been followed by seven other Zephyr type trains; and the eight of them now cover a total of 5900 miles every day.

These facts tell their own story. For the Zephyrs are expensive trains, costing twice as much as a steam train of the old-fashioned type and a great deal more even than a steam engine and light-weight cars, such as the Milwaukee’s Hiawatha. The first Zephyr, a three-car unit (including the engine), came to better than $250,000. Although costs are being reduced, a Diesel-electric locomotive cannot be built for less than three times as much as a steam locomotive of the same capacity, and hence a train of the same cars costs all the way from 25 to 100 per cent more when hauled by it. Obviously, then, the Zephyrs must have justified their high original cost, or there would not be eight of them on the Burlington alone.

They have done so in different ways. First and most important, they have attracted full loads of passengers. Their appearance alone was bound to do so, for the sight of their stainless steel, speed-lined exteriors is enough to claim the attention of any person. The advertising and ballyhoo that accompanied them helped enormously, for they created the impression that these trains represented a new era in transportation. And the comfort and speed built into them completed the job. They were air-conditioned; they were professionally designed to please the eye of the passenger; they were operated at low fares on mile-a-minute schedules where trains had never been run so fast before. No wonder there were no seats left.

Out of justice to the steam locomotive manufacturers, it is worth pointing out here that all these factors have nothing much to do with the type of motive power. The same thing can be done and has been done with streamlined trains. The Diesel-electric engine burst upon the railroad world at a very luck time, when the movement toward light weight, air-conditioning, high speeds and streamlining was still in its infancy. By using all these new developments, the Diesel-electric stole the show, and created the impression that there is a mysterious law forbidding a steam engine to haul a light-weight train.

However, this article is written to praise and not *** the Zephyrs, and if the men who made them and the railroad which operates them have sense enough to put them over in a big way, the credit must be theirs. The fastest, cheapest, and swellest train in the world is no good to anyone while it is still on paper or in the back of somebody’s mind. Secondly, the Zephyrs have justified their first cost by showing low operating expense. The original Zephyr streamliner is composed of three cars (including the power unit)., boasts 72 saleable seats and costs about 31 cents a mile to run. This is no less than half the cost of a standard steam train of similar capacity.

Again, to be sure, the figures do no tell the whole story. The Milwaukee’s light-weight, steam-powered Hiawatha provides 464 seats, 291 of them saleable, and is operated for 90 cents a mile, which figures out to less cost per seat than the 31 cents of the Zephyr. But nobody has yet constructed a steam train seating 72 people which can be operated at 31 cents a mile, and as long as this is true the Burlington is justified in claiming all it does for the four-car Zephyr.

The third feature of the Zephyrs which helps work off their high price is the huge daily mileage run off by each of them. Since interest on money which is borrowed to buy equipment must be paid whether the equipment is used or not, the best way to reduce the interest charge per mile is to get as many miles a day out of the equipment as possible. The Zephyrs are averaging 737 miles a day apiece, with the Denver trains each doing over 30,000 miles a month. So far the best record for a steam passenger locomotive is around 19,000 miles a month, and the average is far less. Within the next few years, it is predicted, some steam engines will be doing better than 25,000 a month. If so, it would not be going too far to say that the competition of trains like the Zephyrs will be the inspiration for such deeds.

As has been mentioned, eight Zephyrs are now in daily service. The first one, a three-car train, is still making 500 miles a day at an average speed of 52 miles per hour, on a round trip run between Lincoln, Omaha, St. Joseph, and Kansas City. Slightly smaller than ordinary equipment, it weighs about 95 tons, uses a 660-horsepower Diesel motor. Next is the four-car Mark Twain Zephyr, in local service between St. Louis and Burlington, Iowa, a 442-mile round trip. Because of the number of stops, it averages only 40 miles an hour.

[:I] A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Lexus in front of the office, ready to show it off to his colleagues. As he got out, a truck came along, too close to the curb, and completely tore off the driver's door of the Lexus.
The counselor immediately grabbed his cell phone, dialed 911, and it wasn't more than 5 minutes before a policeman pulled up. Before the cop had a chance to ask any questions, the lawyer started screaming hysterically.
His Lexus, which he had just picked up the day before, was now completely ruined and would never be the same, no matter how the body shop tried to make it new again.
After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his head in disgust and disbelief. "I can't believe how materialistic you lawyers are," he said. "You are so focused on your possessions that you neglect the most important things in life."
"How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.
The cop replied, "My God, don't you even realize that your left arm is missing? It got ripped off when the truck hit you!!!"
"Oh My God!" screamed the lawyer. "My Rolex!!!!!" [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 9, 2006 5:32 AM
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Railways of Europe – ICE of Germany - arrives on Track #1 this morning!. Watch for it!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, March 9, 2006 5:26 AM


We open at 6 AM (all times zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Good Thursday Morning! Start the day with a cup of freshly brewed coffee, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast![tup]

CONGRATULATIONS to LoveDomes Lars for being the newest member of ”Our” Places’s Order of the Stools – Reserved status!![tup][wow][tup][yeah][tup]


Repeat: Birthday Bash! scheduled for Monday, March 13th at 2 PM (Central) Combined party for barndad Doug ‘n LoveDomes Lars


Repeat: If anyone would like to “host” a St. Patrick’s Day Party! March 17th, let me know! The time is up to whoever “hosts” it. I’m not sure that I’ll be available. NO takers, no party.


Daily Wisdom

You’ve got to the careful if you don’t know where you’re going ‘cause you might not get there!”[swg]
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railways of Europe ICE Train of Germany arrives TODAY – watch for it!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 05:22:16 (268) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 05:54:24 (268) Pike Perspectives Day! Lionel Trains, etc. & Joke!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 05:54:48 (268) Something Special coming

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 07:51:11 (268) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 08:36:32 (268) AM Post!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 09:00:02 (268) Selection Committee results!

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 11:48:05 (268) The BK Report!

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 13:05:31 (268) Visit, SCL-SP connection

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 14:12:09 (268) The Lars Report!

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 14:13:34 (268) Nick in brief![swg]

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 14:50:10 (268) A deal[?]]

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 15:10:11 (268) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 16:23:02 (269) Pete’s Post!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 16:43:11 (269) reply to pwolfe

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 18:17:06 (269) American Flyer & Lionel trains

(16) West Coast S Dave Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 18:21:09 (269) Comments

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 18:26:07 (269) reply to West Coast S

(18) West Coast S Dave Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 18:45:23 (269) He’s seen the light![swg]

(19) barndad Doug Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:28:01 (269) PM visit & Joke!

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:47:03 (269) reply to barndad

(21) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:56:36 (269) Nice stuff!

(22) pwolfe Pete Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 21:03:56 (269) Pete’s PM Post!

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 21:53:20 (269) Inclusive Post, etc.!

(24) trolleyboy Rob 08 Mar 2006: 08 Mar 2006, 22:06:33 (269) Classic INDEX, Ver. 5

NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features! Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 5th thru 11th: North to Alaska (1960) starring: John Wayne, Stewart Granger & Capucine – and – Lost in Alaska (1952) starring: Bud Abbott & Lou Costello. Short: A Pain in the Pullman (1936).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, March 9, 2006 3:53 AM
Well (very early) good morning one and all-Just tea & toast for me this fine day please [4:-)][oX)]TOM
Apologies for not making it back earlier,combination of busy day and return of last weeks lurgi (possible week-end over indulgance here ) had me in bed by about 17.00 central.
Quick expansion on pike idea,then it`s off to the galley for several hot toddies to sweat it out whilst I catch up on the week so far-coast lines,auto train,points arising,parties various ,Lionel history etc.
So Pike plan-single track main (either C.N or C.P for me ) circling room with junction on one of the short sides and staging along a long one.
Short line running out and back along a central penninsula with H.Q and largish industry (paper mill ?) at turn-back point.
climbs back towards junction then swings around over main-line staging to branch terminal-industries:- logging,mining as principals for branch,others dotted around layout as appropriate.
-Possible added interest of branch extending to mine/lumber workings on private track,perhaps with small box cab electric,powered by cheap hydro.
Visualise main line in code 100 with c.83 sidings,branch in c.83 with c.70 sidings and mineral extension in c.55.
2-8-0`s providing power on the branch plus switching and local turns out from the junction,main line power-mix of F-Units & Geeps,according to taste
Right thats it for now,brain turned to mush-back when I can count to ten without using fingers
Have a good one fellas,be lucky,nick,[C=:-)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 10:06 PM
Hello Time for another update[^]

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 5


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250



CNR CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250



CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251


CLASSIC DIESEL BARN New Name

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254
#2 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 1pg # 254*new
#3 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 2pg # 256*new
#4 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 3pg # 259*new
#5 Northern Pacific in 1960 pg # 260 *new
#6 BC Rail Tumbler Division pg # 262 *new
#7 BC Rail Locomotive Roster c1993 pg # 262 *new
#8 The CF7 Story pg # 263 *new
#9 Seaboard Railroad Freight Ops pg # 268 *new




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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 9:53 PM
Good evening Leon, a double for Lars on his big day, a Keith's for me, and a round of whatever everyone else here today wishes.

First off Lars A hearty congrats to you sir.[tup] I did tell Boris to make sure that all the red paint was properly scrapped off yor new stool,seems painting and paint removal is another thing that our local [alien] is unable to do,mind you he seems to enjoy drinking turpentine [:O] Anyway enjoy your new found furniture at the bar, a more highly deserving person I can't think of at the moment.[tup][tup] .

Tom I'm glad that I was able to help catch that slip last night,It could have been disasterous.I absolutly detest wallpaper myself which is why we removed it.Why anyone would wallpaper a bathroom ( with gaudy pink flowers to boot ) is also beyond me. It's much better now,one more coat o painy tomorrow and the floor tiles on Friday and it's all good.[tup]

Great info on the Lionel and AF today from you as well,I'm odd in that I never started out my modelling ventures with a set from either. Your ead som many feature articles in the model rags stating how they had started out with that Lionel or AF train around the xmas tree.


BK Your first delve into the trains publications was bang on. Actually all of Greg Macdonals books are excellant. I think that you would enjoy Signatures in Steel, Passing Trains, and Heartland as well. He's a great guy actually, we have had him at the museum several times selling / signing his books, to quote the old saying he's good people.

Doug Glad you liked the SAL bit,It's a good idea to write down what you have as far as those articles go,I used to buy alot of paperback books and never really recorded which ones I had etc,only duplicated twice but needless to say I write stuff down now as well. Liked the article on AF and Lionel as well,seems the two have been the theme for today as both you and CM3 and Tom all hit on the same subject, neat ![:)]

Pete I'm glad that you enjoyed the article as well,named freight trains are an almost extinct species over here,most just have numbers like CN and CP use or alot of the US roads use letter shortforms to show where a train starts and ends it's run. Any photo's of those odd ball diesels you mentioned [?]

Well folks have a good evening.

Rob
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 9:03 PM
Hi Tom And All.

TOM Many thanks for the American Flyer and Lionel histories [tup]. The reference to Meccano brought back memories it was very popular in the U.K. and even had its own monthly Meccano Magazine which covered all aspects of transport as well as advertizing the products.

It was a sad end to the Lionel factory in New Jersey. The Polar Express was a great boon for the industry. I wonder wether the Harry Potter sets have seen simular popularity in the UK [?].

DAVE Scarey story[wow]. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Sad to report SP livered locos seem scarce through here at the moment.

LARS glad you are enjoying the day and thanks for the round[tup].

TOM Good news we are going to up grade the puter system server so hopefully I shall have less problems [^]. PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 7:56 PM
Hey Guys!

Just wanted all of you to know that I am really "up" tongiht and it's all because of the "honor" bestowed on me this morning. It's about 9 PM here on the right coast and generally at this time, I am fighting the wearies. Not tonight - I'm wired! Didn't want to fail to recognize the guys who recognized me!

So, barkeep, set 'em up on me and I'll take a JD on the rocks! Here's to Captain Tom and crew! I thank one and all for your kind comments and for taking the time to make mention of this special event for an old sailorman.[tup]

Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 7:47 PM
Hey Doug!

Chalk it up to being bleary eyed, careless, or just old .... I blew it! Shudda said 9 AM - AND it WAS for Lars![%-)][%-)][%-)]

Mistake corrected and life goes on! Man oh man, I think perhaps it's time for me to get away from this stuff - that's a couple of screw ups in two successive days. Hmmmmmm.

I thought that suff on AC & Lionel was pretty good background for anyone who either doesn't know, or just needs a "refresher." Those trains from the era when I was a kid, were huge in the lives of the kids I grew up with ... [tup]

Looks like your joke got "bleeped!" See, someone else feels the same way I do![swg]

Catch ya in the AM!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 7:37 PM
Gentlemen!

Don't quite know what to make of our friends from the "left coast." One guy has to be lead to the water, the other can't find it![swg]

Just noticed 20 Fingers back in "action," but not here! Nope - Posting away with one of those blankety-blanks who appears so often with "questions."<geesh> Sure makes me wonder - really wonder! Why "feed" these people[?]

Dave I can understand your passion for AF - however, now that I'm into the more "prototypically correct" stuff with SHS and American Models - one can really see the difference. However, having said that - what I'd give to have my old Lionel trains from the 1940s 'n 50s.

Okay, boyz - have one on me and I'm going to lay low for the rest of the evening.

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Catch y'all in the AM - check the SUMMARY for "what's what" on Thursday!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 7:28 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have my usual bottomless draught.. in anticipation of whatever it is that is to be sprung on us at nine O'clock (central)! I thought we already had big enough doings with my man Lars being inducted into the sublime, respected and coveted RESERVED STOOL! No big surprise there though, as he well deserves it. Way to go Lars!

Great stuff on the A.C. Gilbert Co. and the Lionel Corp Capt. Tom! I especially liked the way that your information on Lionel didn't contradict anything I posted earlier. Gives me faith in the publications over here! Speaking of which, I had some more stuff delivered to my work today, that I'm anxious to check out .... but I'll be back!

[:I] One afternoon this guy drives down a highway to visit a nearby lake and relax. On his way to the lake one guy dressed from head to toe in red standing on the side of the highway gestures him to stop. Our guy rolls down the window. "How can I help you?"
"I am the red *** of the asphalt, you got something to eat?"
With a smile on his face he hands one of his sandwiches to the red dressed guy and drives away. Not even five minutes later he comes across another guy. This time the guy is dressed fully in yellow, standing on the side and waving him to stop. A bit irritated our guy stops, cranks down the window. "What can I do for you?"
"I am the yellow *** of the asphalt, you got something to drink?"
Hardly managing to smile this time he hands to the guy a can of soda and then stomps on the pedal and takes off again. In order to make it to the lakeside before sunset he decides to go faster and not to stop no matter what. To his frustration he sees another guy on the side of the road, dressed all in blue, making a hand signal to stop him. Not quite willing our guy decides to stop a last time. He rolls his window down and yells to the guy, "I know, you're the blue *** of the asphalt. Now just what the hell do you want?"
"Driver's license and registration please." [:I]
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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:45 PM
Oh, where are my manners? Congradulations Lar's on your exaulted status, we are a proud, mischievieous gang of ruffians, I mean good people. I'll have Boris send a smooch your way.

Tom, There is nothing I like better the finding a beat up AF S scale item for pennies on the dollar, with some creative reworking they can yield scale models. Anyone have about half a dozen of the AF six dome tank cars laying about??

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:26 PM
G'day Dave

A couple of comments:

(1) I didn't know Barstow HAD a downtown![swg]

(2) Notice anything at all that happened today warranting comment[?] NOT a quiz!<geesh!>

Thanx for the cash - we'll use it for what's coming up on the Calendar - see SUMMARIES!

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:21 PM
Afternoon again Tom and the gang.

PWolf,, your'e nuclear humor brings to mind a conversation I had last week with a commander of three such silos. Seems this particular team was sub-par performance wise, the Col. was brought in evaluate why and to re-qualify the operators to current standards.

Being the benevolent leader, he quickly discovered and understood that several were past due for promotion and others deprived of new assignments, thus they had cause to be depressed in his view. All was going well under the new command, morale improved and the results from the qualification course finally arrived. Most recieved much overdue promotions and new duty assignments, but one to the horror of the Air Force and the commander one indvidule had no concept of GPS systems or how to employ/interdict/compile such systems and completely failed the qualification course on GPS theory , this after sitting seven years at a launch control counsel.

Now I hear tell of the near sighted UAV operator , "Sir, downtown Barstow looks alot like downtown Baghdad". Who says we aren't using technology to the fullest?

Ok, I see Tom is not going to let me forget SP day and i'm so far off topic and scope that i'll cover the rounds for the rest of the eveing. Boris, see that the fifty makes it to the jar.

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:17 PM
Good Evening!

My contribution for this "Pike Perspective's Day!"

First: A "gujde" to the "old" American Flyer S-gauge trains and Erector sets.

Second: A "guide' to the "old" Lionel Corporation, makers of O-27 and O-gauge trains running on three-rail tracks.

Both from: Wikipedia

QUOTE: A. C. Gilbert Company

The A. C. Gilbert Company was an American toy company, once one of the largest toy companies in the world. It is best known for introducing the Erector Set (a construction toy similar to Meccano in the rest of the world) to the marketplace.

Gilbert was founded in 1909 in Westville, Connecticut, originally as a company providing supplies for magic (Alfred Carlton Gilbert was a magician). Gilbert invented Erector in 1911, inspired by railroad girders, and the construction toy was introduced two years later. By 1935, Gilbert was also producing microscopes.

In 1938, Gilbert purchased American Flyer, a struggling manufacturer of toy trains. Gilbert re-designed the entire product line, producing 1:64 scale trains running on O gauge track. Although these are sometimes referred to as S scale or S gauge trains, they are technically O27. At the same time, Gilbert introduced a line of HO scale trains, which were primarily marketed under the brand name Gilbert HO.

By 1942, Gilbert was producing equipment for military aircraft for use in World War II.

Gilbert introduced S gauge model railroads in 1946, mostly in response to the shortcomings of O scale utilized by Lionel and Marx. These newer American Flyer trains were smaller and proportioned more realistically than either the pre-war American Flyer trains or its post-war competition. Although these new trains were popular, Lionel outsold American Flyer nearly 2 to 1.

Other products followed; chemistry sets in various sizes as well as similar sets for the budding scientist, including investigations into radioactivity.

Gilbert struggled somewhat after the death of its founder in 1961. Gilbert's family sold out its shares, and the company was never profitable under its new ownership. By 1967, Gilbert was out of business. Erector was sold to Gabriel Industries and American Flyer was sold to Lionel.

Although A. C. Gilbert has not existed as a company for several decades, Gabriel continued to use the brand name on its Erector set and microscope products, a practice that subsequent owners of the Erector brand have continued. Current Erector toys have the words "The construction toy from A. C. Gilbert" on their packaging. Lionel also uses the brand name on its American Flyer products, along with the old Gilbert catchphrase, "Developed at the Gilbert Hall of Science," on its product packaging.

A collection of Gilbert trains, Erector sets and objects built from them, chemistry sets, etc. is displayed in the Eli Whitney Museum in Hamden, Connecticut.

from: www.wikipedia.com


QUOTE: Lionel Corporation

Lionel Corporation was an American toy manufacturer, specializing in toy trains and model railroads. Its trains, produced from 1901 to 1969, are the most famous toy trains in the United States and among the most famous in the world.

Although not the first to manufacture toy trains—its products originally were marketed as toys—Lionel is the most enduring brand name in the United States. Many of the decades-old trains in attics and basements in the United States were made by Lionel, and the products are popular with collectors.
Company History

The original Lionel Corporation was founded in 1900 by Joshua Lionel Cowen and Harry C. Grant in New York City. The company's devotees disagree over the date of incorporation, as the official paperwork gives a date of September 5, but the paperwork was not filed until September 22, more than two weeks later.

The Pre-War Era

Lionel's first train was not intended for sale to consumers, but rather, as a storefront display. Delivered in 1901, it ran on a brass track and was powered by a battery and a motor originally intended for use in an electric fan. Cowen hoped to use the public's fascination with railroads and electricity to capture the public's attention and direct it to the goods for sale. Members of the public started approaching store owners about buying the trains instead, prompting Lionel to begin making toy trains for the general public. The earliest trains were larger than the sizes commonly available today, running on two-rail track with the rails 2 7/8 inches apart. In 1906, Lionel began offering a three-rail track that was less prone to electrical shorts. Its outer rails were 2 1/8 inches apart, which did not match any of the existing standards that other manufacturers had been using since 1891. Whether this was an accidental misreading of Märklin's Gauge 2 specifications or an intentional incompatibility is unclear, but Lionel named this non-standard track Standard Gauge, and then trademarked the name. When other U.S. companies began using Lionel's standard, they usually called it Wide gauge. Starting in 1915, Lionel followed most of its U.S. competitors and adopted the smaller O gauge standard for its budget-level trains.

By the end of World War I, Lionel was one of three major U.S. manufacturers of toy trains, and it grew rapidly due to shrewd marketing. Cowen began getting department stores to incorporate his toy trains as part of their Christmas tree displays, linking toy trains to Christmas and making them into popular Christmas presents. Lionel made its trains larger than anyone else, making them appear to be better values. When competitors criticized the realism of Lionel's trains--Cowen had been unwilling to invest in the equipment necessary for lithography, so its early offerings were simply painted with solid colors of enamel paint with brass detail parts--Lionel targeted advertising at children, telling children its products were the most realistic toy trains. Additionally, Lionel criticized the durability of competitors' products in ads targeted at parents.

By the 1920s, Lionel had overcome Ives to become the market leader, selling metal trains with colorful paint schemes. Lionel's fierce ad campaigns took their toll on Ives, who filed bankruptcy in 1928. Lionel and American Flyer bought Ives and operated it jointly until 1930, when Lionel bought Flyer's share. Lionel operated Ives as a subsidiary until 1932.

The Great Depression hurt Lionel badly, and the company flirted with bankruptcy because the trains were considered a luxury item, and at the height of the Depression one of Lionel's more extravagant locomotives cost as much as a used Ford Model T. In an effort to compete with companies that were willing to undercut Lionel's prices without diluting its premium Lionel and Ives brands, Lionel introduced a line of inexpensive electric toy trains under the Winner Toys or Winner Toy Corp. brand name, which it sold from 1930 to 1932. The starting price for a set was $3.25, including a transformer.

These and other efforts to improve its financial standing were unable to keep Lionel from going into receivership in May 1934.

The product widely credited with saving the company was a wind-up handcar featuring Mickey and Minnie Mouse that ran on O gauge track and sold for $1. Lionel manufactured 250,000 units but was still unable to keep up with demand. At a wholesale price of 55 cents, the handcar's sales would not have provided enough profit to pay off Lionel's debts of $300,000, but it nevertheless provided much-needed cash. Lionel avoided bankruptcy and emerged from receivership the next year. By 1939, Lionel had discontinued its standard gauge products, concentrating instead on the more-affordable O gauge and OO gauge, which it had introduced in 1938.

Lionel ceased toy production in 1942, producing nautical items for the United States Navy during World War II. The company advertised heavily, however, promising new and exciting products and urging American teenagers to begin planning their post-War layouts. It also introduced the so-called "paper train," a detailed set of cut-and-fold models of Lionel trains printed on cardstock that was notoriously difficult to put together.

The Post-War Era

Lionel resumed production of toy trains in late 1945, replacing their product line with less-colorful but more realistic-looking trains and concentrating on O gauge exclusively. Many of Lionel's models contained a new feature: smoke, produced by dropping a small tablet into the locomotive's smokestack.

During the 1950s, Lionel outsold its closest competitor, American Flyer, nearly 2 to 1, peaking in 1953. Some Lionel histories state that Lionel was the largest toy company in the world by the early 1950s. If this was the case, it was short-lived, as Lionel's total sales for 1955 were about $23 million, while rival Louis Marx, whose toys included more than just trains, had $50 million in total sales.

But Lionel started to decline in the late 1950s when hobbyists started switching to the smaller but more realistic HO scale trains and kids' interest shifted from trains to toy cars. Lionel brought out a line of HO scale trains in 1957 and followed with a line of slot cars as well. Neither approached the popularity its O gauge trains had enjoyed. Efforts to increase the sales of the O gauge trains by making them more cheaply were largely unsuccessful.

In 1959, Cowen and his son sold out their interest in the company and retired. The purchaser was Cowen's grand nephew Roy Cohn, a businessman and attorney who had become infamous during the McCarthy Anti-communist hearings. Cohn replaced much of Cowen's management with his own. The direction of the company changed, and a small number of Lionel fans consider 1959 the end of the "true" Lionel. Cohn's tenure with Lionel was not successful and the company lost over US$13 million in the four years he ran the company.

Lionel's efforts to diversify, which were accelerated under Cohn, were unable to make up for the public's declining interest in its trains. Meanwhile, Lionel's closest competitor was also fading. In January 1967 the parent company of rival American Flyer, The A. C. Gilbert Company, went bankrupt. Lionel bought the name and the product line in May of that year in a deal valued at $150,000. However, Lionel lacked the financial resources to do anything with the acquisition and filed bankruptcy itself less than four months later, on August 7, 1967. In 1969 Lionel Corp. sold the product dies for its struggling train line—sales had declined to just over $1 million per year—and rights to the brand name to cereal conglomerate General Mills. The Lionel brand name continues today, under the ownership of Lionel, LLC.

Some Lionel enthusiasts consider 1969 the end of "true" Lionel trains, since the design and manufacturing changed, sometimes dramatically, under Lionel's new ownership.

The end of Lionel Corporation

After the sale of its train product lines, Lionel Corporation became a holding company that specialized in toy stores. At its peak, Lionel Corp. operated about 70 stores, mostly in the eastern United States, under the names Lionel Kiddie City and Lionel Playworld. For a time it was the second-largest toy store chain in the country. However, the larger Toys R Us was consistently able to undercut its prices, and Lionel found it increasingly difficult to compete. It filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 14, 1991. By 1993 it had dwindled to 28 stores in seven states, and on June 2, 1993, it announced its intention to liquidate all of its stores and go out of business[1].

The Lionel trademarks were purchased by Richard Kughn, a Detroit real estate magnate who had bought the Lionel product line from General Mills in 1986. See Lionel, LLC.

The old Lionel factory in Hillside, New Jersey, where Lionel Corporation manufactured trains from the early 1920s up to 1969, burned in April 2004.

from: www.wikipedia.com

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 4:43 PM
G'day!

Just had to make comment regarding Pete's Post! I'm still laughing at the opening comments![tup] Very clevor stuff, Mate well put![tup][tup][tup]

Pete 'n Lars 'n Nick let's ensure that we don't get ourselves too far into this St. Patrick's Day "thing!" IF someone wants to HOST the event, fine. If NOT, then it will be like any other Friday with the excecption of the menu (which I will heavily rely upon Nick [C=:-)] for). No need to turn this into an "ordeal," for it that occurs, then it ceases to be FUN!

Pete I would think that the downside of your "plan" to eat the corned beef 'n cabbage early, would not only be "consigned to the computer room," but most probablly "banished" through the night!<grin>

Have one on me! This is truly a good day, for Lars and the gang from "Our" Place who give a RAT's PATOOT!!!

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 4:23 PM
Hi Tom and all.

Hope this post reaches the Bar,I had a post for yesterday tea time. It went, but I know not where[sigh]. Still it could be a lot worse I could be in charge of the Nuclear Missle launch computer "[oops] where did that one go[?].
As A.A. Milne said of Winnie The Pooh "He was a bear of little brain"[*^_^*].

May I add to BK and NICKS congratulations to LARS on the well deserved elevation to the Reserved Stools. A pint of BathamsXXX and a round for the house to mark the occasion. [tup][tup][tup].

ROB Great Info on the Auto Trains it will be good to read about the Canadian ones, and the frieghts of the Seaboard lines. Very interesting on the named frieghts. The LNER in the 30s introduced a fast frieght between London and Edinburgh called the Green Arrow. This name was also bestowed on the first of the V2 2-6-2 class of locos introduced at the same time. These locos were very capable engines and hauled very heavy loads( for the UK) during the war. In the diesel era a fast frieght was introduced between London and Glasgow called The Condor and was worked by pairs of the not too sucessful and short lived class of diesel with the unique, in England, CO-BO wheel arrangement .

DOUG and CM3 thanks for the great Lionel info [tup].It was very fortunate that they were able to survive the depression. Any more on the history of the company would be much appriciated. Thanks for the Railroad Magazine info Doug [tup].

NICK Glad you enjoyed the party. A great bash[^].

TOM I will do my best to call in on ST Paddy's Day. but we are hosting the Birthday Bash for one of the brides college mates and some may be coming early Friday and I may have to act as host till the bride is free. I was thinking of having the corned beef and cabbage early which would surly get me banished to the computer room [:-,]. I really miss the Fray Bentos corned beef perhaps NICK can give a description of it. I have not seen it over here, but I have developed quite a taste of American corned beef, good stuff[dinner][tup]. PETE.

PS TOM is the special still at 9 PM.( page 268)[?]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 3:10 PM
G'day Gents!

It's nothing but a rumor about my demise! I'm here and have been. Just upstairs catching up on a bit of shuteye - haven't been sleeping very well for awhile. Cindy offered to give me a break for a few hours - so I took her up on it. Thanx you lovely thing!<grrrrrrrrrrrr>

So, looks like BK - Dave - Lars 'n Nick have all managed to come by. Good deal![tup] Always appreciate the visits and of course whatever "wisdom" comes with it.[swg]

So, you are humbled, my son[?] Good! Glad that the "honor" makes you feel that way, for there is a measure of truth in what you say about "faith 'n trust." And man oh man have I ever made some poor judgments regarding some selections along the way.<geesh> Have I ever!![tdn]

I have no intention of expounding in that direction - so you are all spared.[swg] Here's to ya, Lars m'boy, drink up and let's have another![tup] By the by, that's a fine Pix you posted on "my other thread." I couldn't find any for the Reading and glad you did.[tup]

So, the "left coast" guys are at it again, eh[?] Don't quite know what to say other than they either aren't getting the most currrent info - aren't reading what's there - or are skimming through too fast to pick up the salient points. But here's the deal - so what[?] The way I figger it, I've tried my level best to get everyone to understand the premise of this joint, the idea of this joint, the way we do things in this joint, and so forth. What more can one guy do[?] If it isn't "Phantom Browsing" and with no Posts following, it's just . . . same-o, same-o.

BK Very glad you came by and shared in Lars' big day! I know he's appreciative and that kinda rounds out "The Three Horsemen," so to speak. All "qualified" and rarin' to go![swg]

Nick Always good to see ya and hope you DO get a chance to return. Have been waiting for your "report" after the "bash," figgered there'd be some "stuff" crossing this way from Merry Olde and attached lands![swg]

Dave Had no idea of the connection between the SCL and SP - but if anyone could find it, leave it to you. But then again, aren't you the guy who missed our "SP Theme Day!"[?][swg] A puzzlement you are, Sir. Have a drink on me.[tup]

Okay boyz, I'm going to drift back into the shadows and hope the dialogue around here continues .........

Oh yes, St.Patrick's Day can be whatever you guys want it to be - just that I won't be around for much of it. So, perhaps we can get pwolfe Pete out of wherever he "hides" during the daytime, and one or two others. But not to worry - I'll still have the corned beef & cabbage, green beer, and whatever else "goes with" the event![swg]

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 2:50 PM
Hi Nick!

Figured if I stuck around long enough, someone would recognize me![swg]

Thanx for the congrats - very much appreciated! So, I've been "drafted," huh[?] Well, let's put it THIS WAY - you show up, and I'll do what I can to keep things moving around here. But I ain't doing a solo, Mate![swg]

Many thanx for the rounds!<hic> I've been imbibing a bit meself ...... [swg]

Looks like Tom may have skipped out on us - as he hasn't posted for sometime. Don't blame him one bit. There are times when I read some of the stuff and wonder "where" have these guys been. But ...... I mustn't get wrapped around the axle with that, huh[?] That's clearly their problem, not mine.

Ok - I'll just sit it out a bit longer, as long as those drinks keep coming! Say, is that Cindy behind the bar[?] What's going on .....[?]

Until the next time!

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 2:13 PM
Hi guys,flying visit,back later-few points-thanks to TOM & all for momentous birthday bash,especially those kind souls who carried me out to the car-I promise I`m good for the dry-cleaning bills..............

LARS-Congratulations on your entirely justified elevation[tup][^][tup]--I believe your first official task is judging the annual "Paddy`s Day" Miss Mentor contest-tough gig but sorry-thems the breaks [swg]

Pike Day Topic-Tom showed some pix of P.G.E steamers on sunday & I suggested that they would make the basis of a nice little fleet for a smallish pike.
Well since LARS + ROB both find themselves with unexpected real estate and BK seems feverish with the Train Bug:-how about some thumbnail plans -lets call it 15`x10` of free space-where would you place it,what traffic,when ?-Loose framework only-back of a beer-mat stuff,any takers ??
Will be back in a while with my suggestion(s)
gotta run,missisnick away so honey do list aquiring gothic proportions
[4:-)][oX)]TOM-Drinks all around and a double for LARS,please,before I get "Tweeted"--quite forgot my manners..
later
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 2:12 PM
Hello Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

I must say that I am humbled and quite surprised at the announcement of my selection into the Order of the Stools! That’s quite an honor and for someone like me who has only been frequenting this place for just a bit shy of two months, well, thank you for the confidence![tup]

There is one thing that I will state up front and unequivocally: when I make a commitment to something, I stick with it. So should the time ever come where I cannot hold up my end of the “bargain,” I will communicate that with you, Tom before simply bailing out or disappearing or whatever has happened with so many. That’s behavior that is inexcusable, even for the most liberal minded out there – it’s is rude, it is inconsiderate and it displays a complete disregard for all the faith and trust some put into others with ventures like this bar. Period, end of [soapbox] – Ring the bell Boris – set ‘em up Tom – twice![swg] I am indeed honored and will keep my Reserved Stool in good repair![tup]

Hmmmmmm, is that a twinge of red paint showing through[?] Well, that guy didn’t seem to want to stick it out either, eh[?] Enjoyed his input though, but just a shame that the idea of interaction doesn’t “click” with everyone. I for one, enjoy the inclusive approach and think it makes one and all feel as if they are part of this place.[tup]

Hey BK I appreciate the heartfelt congrats sent all the way from Alberta’s high country! Means a lot and I hoist my tankard to you, Sir![tup]

I had a couple of things on my mind today, but for some reason, I’m drawing a “blank!” Must be the “moment,” eh[?][swg] I really am taken in by all of this . . .

Perhaps what I should do is just order one of those great hero sandwiches – ham, swiss, butter & mustard, 2 large pickles from the barrel AND a frosty mug of Piels. Maybe my thoughts will return . . . I’ll just sit over there and listen to the tunes coming out of Herr Wurlitzer. Those Alabama tunes are from the quarters I put in there – that 5 plays for a quarter goes way, way back. Good idea to keep it going! Anyway, maybe my thoughts will come back to me . . .


Until the next time!

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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 1:05 PM
Morning Tom and the gang, Almost diaster behind the bar? Boris?? I have to come around more often!!! Happy belated birthday Nick, now that your'e of legal age what you going to do with all that new found knowledge???

Rob, Doug..Strange, I never owned a Lionel product in my life, now I wish I had my Erector set that I bashed and abused, was handed down from granpa on my 11th birthday, kids have no rights to objects they have no appreciation of, ah' hindsight can heal the wounds of time!!! I hear tell the MTH is being sued by Union Pacifc over copywrite infringment.

Tom, I'm a bit late, but were you aware of a run through agreement between SCL and SP? Pour me a cup of te Juan Valdez and i'll profer the details::

Seems SP and UP could not come to a rate agreement on the shipment of citrus to east coast markets. Up refused to budge from what SP considered a exhboriant rate. After consulting the leagal department and folks with the ICC, the SP was released from it's exclusive UP routing, a pact that had been in effect for close to one hundred years. On the other side of country, SCL was having similar rate problems with connecting roads to route empty reefers west. The proposal was announced by SP, they would move empties west in exchange for loads east via a Cotton Belt, T&NO hence to the west coast.

Service began in 1969, Santa Fe, in response enacted a similar agreement with the Frisco, this brought brought Frisco power to California on run throughs, much the same as SCL power was common on SP routes and SP power common on SCL routes as power was not changed among carriers with the foreign locomotives on the point in most cases in the interest of speeding up schedules. By 1971, such run throughs had forced UP's to action as they sought to regain this lost revenue, SP proposed the same rate, they orginally offered in 1968, UP had no choice but to accept the terms and conditions. Very rarely was SCL or Family Lines power observed on the SP after the resumption of routing via the Overland Route.

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Posted by BudKarr on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 11:48 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom! and all assembled!

Congratulations to LoveDomes Lars, a friend and one of the “Three Horsemen” of the bar![tup] Welcome aboard as a Reserved Stool member in what perhaps is the finest cyber bar & grill in the Ether![tup]

It is a bit early for me, however taking advantage of the “free time,” thought I would browse the thread and what a pleasant surprise to read the announcement from “The Committee!” Another wise choice, indeed![swg]

Kind of a sloppy morning out there with temperatures around freezing (F) and snow showers on and off. Visibility is poor, making the mountain views disappear and reappear. Rather like navigating aboard ship in fog.

Things here in Alberta are rather exciting these days with the oil sands industry pumping out black gold and pulling in the real stuff. Many big dollars floating around in that area and elsewhere, and I am afraid for the Province in that we already are seeing the signs of wealth, unchecked. In some areas property values have skyrocketed and as the “new money” arrives and spreads out, things are bound to change. I will have to check my embattlements and gun emplacements to ensure our security![swg]

Say, Tom I think I will have a very large and hot coffee with a just a “splash” of whatever you think will make it interesting. A couple of those fine looking “calorie free” pastries ought to do just fine, thank you! My, that tastes just like chocolate . . .

My intention this morning was to bore you all to death with my “revelation” about the Canadian Pacific Railway. But then it occurred to me that anything I reveal will only be a rehash of what many have already seen, or know. You see, now that I am reading up on railroads in my newly formed, but rather modest library, there are so many, many interesting areas. I enjoy history, and the story of the CP is quite like one of this nation. A fascinating read. Oh, sorry – the book is “Canadian Pacific: Stand Fast, Craigellachie (Hardcover) by Greg McDonnell.” Somewhere on these pages, I believe our Captain spoke highly of this and other works by author. I concur.[tup]

Sir Doug, that is a fantastic bit of information you provided about Lionel Trains and I enjoyed it immensely. In fact, it started me browsing to see just what is out there regarding those trains. What a plethora of information, as seems to always be the case on the net. However, as we all have learned from time to time, best to ensure that what one takes as “Gospel” isn’t just anecdotal nonsense. Lionel, a name from the past and a company that is only a mere shadow of what it once was back in the days when boys grew up with electric trains and Erector sets.[tup]

Sir Coalminer (that is far easier than CM3, methinks) I also enjoyed your discussion regarding the American Flyer of old. Brought back many memories. While I was not totally “into” my trains as so many were, I do recall the neverending flap over which was best, Lionel or AF[?] Always good for a spirited debate.[tup]


That coffee tasted so good, I think perhaps one more, then I must return to the chores of this day.

Good wishes to you, Lars! Have at least one on me, and perhaps another . . . A round for the house, barkeep!

BK

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