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[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom this next nostalgia piece should be right up your alley. And everyone else's as well. it's a max speed and slow order chart from the PGE. I have taken it from the BC Rail book by J.F. Garden

Maximum Speed and Permanent Slow Orders Located Between

Permissable speed in MPH
RDC Units Passenger/Mixed freight

North Vancouver mile 0.0 & Britannia mile 31.0.35...................................25

mileage 1.7...........public grade crossing...... 20......................................... 15
mileage 4.6........... over bridge ........................ 20......................................... 20
mileage 28.8 &29.rock bluffs & tunnel............15......................................... 15
mileage 30.7 &31.restricted vision..................15..........................................10

Britannia Mileage 31.0 to Squamish 39.2.......45..........................................40
Britannia 31.0 to 31.2 .restricted vision.............20.........................................10
mileage 38.5................logging crossing............20.........................................10

Squamish Mileage 39.2 to 51.0.........................45..........................................40

Mileage 51 & Alta lake 74.4..................................35..........................................25
mileage 51.5 to 57.8...........slide area.................25..........................................20
mileage 69.3 to 70.4........... curvature..................25..........................................20

Alta lake mileage 74.4 to 78.3..............................35...........................................25

Mileage78.3 Pemberton to 94.6...........................35..........................................25
mileage 91.3 to 91.7......slide area......................15...........................................15

Pemberton Mileage 94.6 & Creekside 99.8.......45...........................................35
Mileage 95.5.................................over bridge........................................................20

Creekside mileage 99.8 & Lillooet 157.7............35...........................................25
mileage 125.3 & 125.8.............slide area.............15...........................................15
mileage 127.5............................over bridge...........20...........................................15
mileage 136.2 & 137.4 ............slide area.............20...........................................15
mileage 140.0 & 141.8.............slide area.............20............................................15
mileage 146.8 & 147.6.............slide area.............20............................................15
mileage 149.9 & 150.8.............slide area.............20.............................................15

Trains handling logs pyramidal form on skeleton cars.....................................20
Trains handling aux. cranes no 6071-6072-6076...............................................20

This is an exerpt from the Pacific Great Eastern timetable # 78. It was in effect startingSunday February 15th 1959. Enjoy
Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Sun’s still shining, temps are beginning to drop (we set a record yesterday at 82 (F) for the date), and the wind is pickin’ up. Petrol is now at $2.16 (rounded) and dropping up at “Collusion Corner.” Ain’t life grand [?] [swg]

Some acknowledgements:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 08:12:48

Surely your reference to “the Head Baker” refers to our friends over at The Mentor Village Bakery. Unless of course you have hired someone without the Proprietor knowing, in which case his or her salary comes out of yours! [swg]

Now, I have been assured that no one, or nothing, will jump out of the cakes. This isn’t that kinda day! [swg] Boris and his “pet” Tex the Armadillo are to be kept in line and away from the cakes! This is not up for negotiation, we’ve had too many “situations” with this cloven-footed transplant from Transylvania before. <Geesh>

Received your Email … thanx.

You are correct about those “Chance” cards, but of course there were the four railroads on the board as “property” – PRR, B&O RR, SHORT LINE RR and READING RR. Rent, if you owned all four came to $200. [yeah] Great game and greater memories. Used to play it with a friend and they stretched into days …… My three kids used to love it as well. I guess you know that many of the “street names” can be found in Atlantic City, NJ. Good old Parker Brothers, they really hit on something big. Today’s versions, sold by Hasbro, are localized and hardly resemble the board game from my youth. But then again, what does [?]

By the by, did you know that the SHORT LINE RR referred to the Shore Fast Line, a streetcar line in Atlantic City?

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 11:12:45

Okay – I guess my offer either didn’t catch your attention, or ….. Post away tomorrow! [swg]

Nice rundown on those Reading sleeping cars. [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:59:45 and 13:37:40

Ah, the MONON – known as the Chicago, Indianapolis and Louisville Railway until 1957. Passenger service was ceased between Chicago and Indianapolis in 1959. The RR was merged into the Louisville & Nashville – L&N in 1971. Today it is all part of CSX Transportation..

That is indeed a “class” thing that Via Rail did and I’d just as soon leave it at that. Once ‘ulterior’ motives and the like get kicked ‘round, the best of intentions somehow get skewed in the wrong direction. I asked a few friends of mine along the route to try and get some pix of the train, hopefully they will help out. If in fact that is a 32-car consist, it should be all over the news and Canadian TV.

As with you, I’ve been spending a bit of time down in my Can-Am Trainroom Annex – “home” of the S Capades (basement storage room). The landscaping ground cover is nearly done. Tree assembly (glued fingers!) will be last. <ugh> A slow go, for sure. But, it’s all part of the hobby and I don’t spend time with it unless and until I’m in the proper frame of mind. After all, it is supposed to be for relaxation and fun. [tup]

Regarding the RailImages “thing,” why not Post ‘em on PhotoBucket [?] They can always be moved later on. Just a thought …..

I’ve been scoping out the subway project and while it may have sounded relatively simple, it will be a chore of sorts. I never seem to get into anything the easy way. For example, how many guys do you know who build the trainroom AFTER the layout has been constructed [?] That was quite the challenge, especially with the “drop” ceiling. So, now I’ll become the contortionist when I try and bend my not so nimble frame beneath the board in order to construct the framework for the system. [yeah] Great idea! <frown> I am going to build the station(s) at my work bench and then “fit” it or them into the space(s) provided. Once it is all assembled, then come the “windows” which will be kinda like looking into a “shadow box” for the views. I also plan to have backlit illumination, so once done, I expect it to be well done. [swg] The latter takes time, which I have an abundance of in this segment of my life.

NICE work on that NOSTALGIA for the RDC speeds. I never saw anything like that before! Much appreciated. [tup][tup][tup]

(I see you used my suggested method … appears that perhaps too many (…..) were used. In order to remedy this, use the “Preview Reply” feature until you wind up with what is satisfactory. Time consuming – YES, but worth the results.)

Appreciate your willingness to help. On that subject, I sent an Email to a few guys on this matter, including you.

So, where's Nick and Dave [?][?][?]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom it still doesn't look right. It lined up quite nicely on my end. Wierd. I figured that you would like it though. If it remains slow I'll pop in a few more tidbits from the "book". At least this way you can enjoy some of it till i'.m able to track down a whole copy for you.[tup][:D]

Nail polish remover should un-glue your case of my-fingers-are- stuck togetheritis. [swg]

Rob

[siberianmo]

Hey Rob

Cute, real cute - "my-fingers-are-stuck-togetheritis" is a way of life once I got introduced to that Greek guy named "Arthur Ritis." [swg]

Regarding the formatting situation - it really is a trial and error "thing" - keep at it and you'll figure it out. Using that feature of "Preview Reply" - then going back to your word processing document for eiding - and going thru it all again is time consuming, but the results are worth it. No matter - I appreciate the Post and have already copied it and it is now inside the front cover of my RDC "bible." [tup]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Crew,

I have returned from my northern European trip and am rather fatigued today. Still not adjusting very well, must be my age. Spent a bit of time in Iceland on the way back. Intriguing place.

I have not had sufficient time to review all of the postings and it appears that there are several to mull through. Therefore I will refrain from commentary other than to say I am pleased that you all are still here.

The summary pages were looked at for today, yesterday and the day before and I see that you are looking for submissions that are appropriate for Veterans Day and Remembrance Day. No guarantee, but I will try to join you in that.

Oh yes, before you hit me with a "rules violation," I will have one quick hit of VO on the rocks if you please.

Until later.

BK

[BudKarr]

Hello,

Back again and I presume that the routine starts over: Hello Captain Tom, nothing for me right now.

Has anything been decided for certain regarding that trip to Churchill that we discussed [?] It appears rather late to make reservations for this month, as I understand the bedrooms for November are just about booked solid.

Also is your May rendezvous still on for the May 11th arrival date [?] Perhaps I should inquire by email, but right now this seems rather convenient. My schedule for that time of year is in draft form and if possible I would appreciate knowing about the May dates.

An observation: it appears several of your customers are away and it is amazing how you are able to keep this thread operating at the levels the pages reflect. Then of course, it is you, Captain Tom, who is keeping the ship upright with the frequency and timing of your postings. Must get rather weary I should think.

Congratulations are in order for your coalminer3 person and the elevation to the Order of the Permanent Stools (club, association, covern?). <smile> I suppose if I can use BK he can be known as CM3 <another smile> Good show, your contributions are well done and on the mark.

Back to the review.

BK

[Anonymous]

Good afternoon one and all. It's "break time" around this "neck of the woods." So, a Gilby's & tonic w/twist please Tom. That will ease me through this 85 deg. F., humid day. The pastries ordered for Veterans (Rememberance) Day are indeed from Mentor's own Bakery. I didn't know this was a 2 bakery Village.[:O]

Oh, by the way, not to worry about losing the solemnity of the Veterans (Rememberance) Day traditional protocol. Having performed for over 20 of these "Armistice Day" (Veterans Day since 1954) occasions with The U.S. Army Field Band, it isn't likely that I would forget the respect and sobriety appropriate to the observance. Memorial Day ("Decoration Day") May 30th, of course, honors the deceased members of the U.S. Armed Forces and a legal holiday. Sometimes the two become transposed. Via rail, Canada and the U.K. should be commended by us all. Pomp and cicumstance apporpriate to long honored traditions is stedfastly supported by these respective countries and their citizens.[tup] Apparantely, the U.S. is the only major power that has developed an identity crisis, alas, these past thirty years.[:(]

CM3, thanks for the closer view of the Reading R.R. Looks like this Road made most of its "long distance" connection via other road's ROWs. Didn't realize Niagra Falls and Wiles Barre were in Reading's parameters. Rob, interesting stats on the speed charts of the B.C. Rail, especially the pyramidal log forms "skeleton" cars.

We called the single truck Birney cars "Dinkeys" and more than once folks landed on their keesters from their bone shaking gyrations.[:O] A standee was "at his own risk" and had better have a "dead man's grip" on the straps and posts. Thanks again for remembering the photos when it is practical.[tup] It seems that track work and scenics are unanimously disliked by at least 3 of us. Oh yes, nail polish remover works fine but I found Acetone works as well and is cheaper (wash hands, soap & water afterward). On the Country Club line (Kcity, MO), the P.C.C.s could "open up" and "stretch out" between less frequent stops. And yes Rob, they did indeed flatten out and "went like the wind." The cars in Pittsburg look absolutely like a galloping Giraffe (front to rear) on their limited access runs, almost comical really.[(-D] Hope you and Tom will enjoy the fruits of your labo(u)rs if and when the "Redbirds" are squealing around hairpin turns and derailing where you hoped they never would.[xx(] It's all part of the territory and we can't change that. Girder rail could be a good choice on those tight radii curves? Costs a tad more but think of the aggravation it could save.[8D]

Hope everyone is well and enjoying these Fall (outdoor) days. Soon, there will be plenty of "cabin fever" periods when "doing" the Pike will take the edge off being shut in.[^]
I am at the "drawing board" for possible expansion in the opposite direction. An "El" would add another dimension to my Pike and appropriate to a Cityscape. It doesn't look like a "high line" across "no man's land" will be feasible. I just don't have the room on the North leg to "bring it off" realistically.[V] Happy rails to all, see ya's soon.

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess its time for a CR and round for the house.

Could help but see your fallen flag piece on the MONON.
Always a small railroad surrounded by giants they managed to stay solvent longer than most ever thought they would.
Shortly after WW II when they looked at streamlining they found out all of the manufacturers were backlogged with orders so MONON purchased 28 surplus US Army Hospital cars that had been built by American Car & Foundry in 1944.
From these cars they created a streamlined fleet of cars to equip four complete streamlined consists One each for the Hoosier and Tippecanoe and a pair for the Thoroughbred. The former two trains operated between Indianapolis and Chgicago round trip daily while the Thoroughbred required two consists to provide daily Louisville - Chicago service in each direction. To power the new streamliners the MONON purchased four sets of A-B EMD F-3 diesels 81A-B - 84A-B. Among the cars streamlineed in the MONON's own shops were Baggage 30'RPO cars 11 and 12. $6-Seat Coaches with smoker 21-26, 52- Seat Coaches 27-34, 24-Seat Dining Bar 20-Seat Lounge Cars 51-53, 18-Seat Dining 10-Seat Parlor Observations 58,59, 44 Seat Grill Coaches 65-69, and 25-Seat Parlor 11 Seat Lounge Observations 71 and 72. The streamlined HOOSIER was inaugurated August 17, 1947 and the streamlined TIPPECANOE was inaugurated November 15, 1947.
The streamlined THOROUGHBREDS did not enter service until February 15, 1948. The last of the streamlined cars was not retired until 1968.
I wil;l always have regrets about not riding any of the MONON trains but did visit their former resort at French Lick and the rail museum located there.

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual please.

ROB. When I was talking about the trams in the U.K. I have forgotten to mention a tramway which is still about today .It is in Blackpool Lancashire in the North West of England it opened in 1885 and is operated by the town . They have a neat web site with some pictures. It is
http:www.blackpooltransport.com
I hope it is of some interest.
Thanks for the speed restriction chart it must have kept the engineers on their toes.

TED Great story of the cereal boxes. Did you have the plastic model kits in your youth they were popular in my day. The companies who made them were Kitmaster and later Airfix who did some railroad stuff. Kitmaster done an early American 4-4-0 loco which was the first one I got. They also done a Swiss 'Crocodile' electric loco which a lad down the street had( they were a lot dearer if I remember right.) I know that when I did get an electric train set they did not take to being pushed very kindly. [sigh]

TOM Thanks for the advert and the flag and CM3 for the extra info By the way what is a HOOSIER[?]
The mention of Monopoly takes me back as lads we used to play on an American version with dollars and if I remember Broadway was the dearest property.

I agree that VIA-RAIL derserves a lot of credit for running the Veterens train I do hope there is some photos of it[tup].

Its good to see BK back
PETE.

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’,

I suppose the news of the day insofar as U.S. passenger rail fans are concerned would be the firing of Amtrak’s President – David Gunn. Rather than my going though it all here, there surely will be something said on other threads ‘n forums. This person was opposed to the administration’s stance regarding the selling off of the NE corridor and disestablishment of our national passenger rail system. Check out this URL for more details: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/11/09/amtrak.gunn.ap/index.html
You may want to keep in mind that these type URL’s don’t stay “up” for very long – perishable in other words.

Okay – on to the acknowledgements:

BudKarr BK
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:15:49 and 16:00:48

Hey, he’s baaaaaaaack! [#welcome] Back! From what you’ve indicated and perhaps our conjecture, you’ve had an interesting time of it in northern Europe. We respect everyone’s right to privacy, however, so prying isn’t part of what we do ‘round here. If you want to tell us, you will.

Take your time with the catch up – but not too much! [swg] Need some contributions from you as we really are getting’ down to the low numbers ‘round here in terms of daily Posts are concerned. It’s all understandable, given that people work, people play, and people have other things to do. I really understand that – I used to have a life, once, myself! [swg] Then I became Chief What’s In Charge of Overseeing a Cyber Bar ‘n Grill (CWICOVACBNG). [yeah] [wow]

I noted your presence on a couple of other threads and forums – good for you. Appreciate your “beating the drum” for new blood. Nice of you to do so. [tup]

Regarding the Churchill trip, there’s been no movement on it. Perhaps better for fall 2006 than now. In fact, I thought that’s what we were speaking of – however, I could be wrong – it happens! [swg]

Our Rendezvous in Toronto is on for arrival on May 11th. This is the month for any changes – if the guys who are planning to go decide to back out, we’ll go to an alternative site. But we’ve all agreed this is a “go.” Individuals of course reserve the right to do as their time and resources dictate. I plan to be there. So, Rob don’t forget about that Labatt’s Blue!

Your observations regarding our dwindling numbers are “right on.” I can’t take the full credit for keepin’ this thread up ‘n runnin’. Everyone of the guys you see on those daily SUMMARIES are and have been doing their respective “parts” best they can given the time they have available. ‘Nuf said. Thanx for the kind words, tho ………[tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:35:18

Regarding the subway system – stuff happens! I will have some protective measures in place to keep these beauties from crashing to the deck floor below. [swg] In fact, I’m even considering installing a 3rd rail for the places that will be visible through my “portals” or “shadow box windows.” I have sufficient quantities of brass rail from track no longer used so that I could fashion something appropriate in appearance.

I think an El would be fantastic, especially given the period you are modeling. Absolutely “cool” idea.

Nope – only one Bakery in Mentor Village and if memory serves correctly, YOU named the Baker some time ago. [tup] Just didn’t want to have a gratuitous moment wreak havoc with the place that keeps our mornin’s happy ‘round here. [swg]

passengerfan Al
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 17:02:54

Now how did we know you’d “jump” on that MONON Fallen Flag [?] As always, real interesting supplemental info.

Your Email response was received – thanx! [tup]

Thanx for the round! [tup]

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 18:02:33

Glad you stopped by, as always! [tup]

Hoosier [?] Well, depending on where one is geographically in this nation, it has different meanings. In general we associate it with someone from the state of Indiana. But here in Missouri, to call someone a “hoosier” is an absolute insult, a derogatory term. So, here’s a couple of URLs for ya – draw your own conclusions, Mate!
http://www.indiana.edu/~alumni/fun/hoosier.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/internet/extra/hoosier.html

Regarding Monopoly – surprised you didn’t play the British version. Check out this URL (scroll down .. you’ll find the British edition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game) [swg]

Hope you can participate with us on Friday!

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening Gentlemen,yet another message in a bottle from a far flung outpost,-have just spent a week pulling down extra shifts and a weekend & more repairing storm damage in addition to the regular gigs,rehearsals,parenting and all the normal thrills & spills of everyday life--just thought I`d poke my head `round the door and say hello before I stumble off to sleep for 48 hours,night all nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Nick!

Certainly hope you are over the rough spots - sounds like you have had quite a time of it lately. We've surely and sorely missed ya 'round the bar, but your Permanent Stool is still here as is your staff job, Sir Chief Chef [C=:-)] [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hi, I've already posted this by itself and in the TRAINS magazine website under Canadian Passenger Trains. I was urged to post it here too! It's a summary of my 1981 trip on the Super Continental and Canadian (VIA) to Vancouver and back.

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In the early summer of 1981 I took what’s probably my favorite solo trip, to the West Coast and back via VIA. I had just finished graduate school and desperately needed to loaf a little and get the cobwebs out of my head. The dollar was strong, VIA was subsidized, and I had a small cashed-out pension to spend, all of which added up to a good deal. I was able to travel first-class for the first time since I was a child in a sleeper.

Since there was no direct rail service from Chicago to Winnipeg, I decided to get on the westbound Super Continental at Toronto. I started out with a commuter-train ride on the C&NW to Northwestern Station, transferred to Amtrak at Union Station, and headed for Detroit.

There’s something you should know about me: I’m a jinx. Every time I’m in Canada some key component of the economy is on strike. This time it was the tunnel bus to Windsor, so I taxied across the Ambassador Bridge and holed up a couple of hours in a bar prior to catching the train for Toronto. My first-class seat on the Windsor-Toronto train was certainly comfortable, and the waitstaff brought us sandwiches, but unfortunately some engineer must have skidded a wheel because it was a rapid bump-bump-bump all the way. Gave me a headache and a half!

In Toronto, I had about 45 minutes until the Super Continental left, but after just a few minutes’ wait they let us on the train. The man in line behind me learned I was an American when we chatted. I couldn’t understand the woman in front of me, who was talking to friends. The guy behind whispered that she was a “Newfie” which accounted for the brogue. Although VIA had taken over the long-distance CN and CP trains almost three years earlier, the train was still very much the Super Continental, with its diagonally striped engines and heavy steel cars with black-and-white trim. I had a snug roomette and got my headache under control.

Many Canadians say the shield is boring but I was fascinated. I woke up at dawn and confronted the “blasted” landscape of Sudbury; then we spent the better part of that day arching around the shield with its piney forests and little tiny villages where the train sometimes stopped.

Both my transcontinental trains had “real” tablecloth diners. The food was not exotic and began to repeat itself before Vancouver but it was good: hamburgers with buns grilled in butter, spaghetti, that kind of thing. The prices were reasonable. The seating was not first-come-first served but consisted of three “seatings” for dinner, like on a cruise ship. I chose the third because we could hang around afterwards and smoke.

I was really impressed by the professionalism and considerateness of the train staff. My first sleeping-car attendant was a college-age man who made sure I had all the creature comforts. He was also modest to a fault; didn’t hit me up for a tip when he left the train in Winnipeg, but I had heard ahead of time that tipping before he left was the right thing, so I did. I was also impressed with the loving care that had been given to my sleeping-car’s refurbishment. It was clean as a whistle and was a full-step more elaborate and impressive than Amtrak’s remodeling of the Heritage fleet. I saw carpet-and-quarter-round used next to the floor instead of peel-and-stick fake wood trim, for example.

As a first-class passenger I had certain privileges, like access to the bar car. But a class structure was evident. Besides us in first class, there were essentially two classes of coach, if you will: people riding in daynighter-type cars who had paid a premium over coach were treated with courtesy and respect, but the conductor had no patience at all with some of the people from plain-old-coach. Turns out some of the younger guys were pass riders, a group the trainmen hated, and they practically “frog marched” them to and fro the diner—their only chance at penetrating the first-class fortress.

The Canadian Rockies my northern-route CN line train crossed lacks the manicured park setting of the southern, or CP route. Sometimes the mountains were beautiful; at other times they resembled God’s biggest quarry—more striking than attractive. The biggest travel disappointment I found was the dome car: it was simply impossible to see out of it! Not from dirt, but apparently it had either been refurbished with Plexiglas that then got rough treatment and scarred; either that or something was very hinky about the glass.

As I’m sure many of you know, a long train trip is conducive to making new acquaintances, especially with a lounge car to chat in. There were other Americans on the train, mostly the early-retired or the occasional cat like me who loved trains and was lured north by the bargain fares. One young lady from Australia who was on the train helped me find cheap lodging in Vancouver.

Coming back from Vancouver, I was on what was obviously the old Canadian with its lightweight equipment. I booked a lower berth because I had never traveled in a “section” before. Just as comfortable as a roomette, I thought, but unfortunately the forward bulkhead creaked like crazy! I was used to it by the second night, though. I believe the rear-end observation-car-with-dome is what is called the Park series, but I’m not sure. If anything the car was more social than the one on the CN route. Service was just fine, and remnants of an earlier life of passenger railroading were apparent in the observation area, which had not yet been refurbished but was clean. I remember in particular the blonde desk-and-chair suite against the fore wall, with its ink well and cubicles suitable to hold stationery, post cards or telegrams. I imagined what it must have been like 25 years earlier, with Marilyn Monroe or maybe Prime Minister (“Deef the Chief”) Diefenbaker riding in style. Truly a nearly vanished way of life, and it went away so quickly.

Disregarding the socializing, the magnificent scenery was worth the trip all by itself. This time the dome on the observation car was in great shape, and one had to wait one’s turn to get into it for a while. The crew was tolerant of the after-dark crowd but had to throw us out of the dome at midnight: none of us had realized that there were people occupying rooms directly below us. Nonetheless, the amenities were outstanding: I played bingo after dinner in the diner and the following day had the best omelet of my life while passing Lake Shuswop(sp??). Would it surprise you to hear that the chef was French Canadian?

I learned a lot on the trip about the country and its resources. The number of freight trains going to and fro, humping raw materials and auto racks, was astonishing to me.. The COFC revolution was not yet obvious, but the CP’s role in connecting the Orient and eastern North America was. Never a dull moment: shortly after crossing the Continental Divide the train passed a full work crew who had obviously just gotten off the track to let us by. The sight of 20 sweaty topless Canadian men waving at the train had quite an effect on the female contingent, I don’t mind telling you! Banff was just as pretty as the postcards and we had a longish stop there. Now, figure this: the post office was on strike but nonetheless one lady was holding down the fort, selling stamps, and warning us that there was no telling how long it would be before our mail could leave the country. (My friends got their postcards about three weeks later.) I’m such a jinx you’d better check with me before your Canadian trip to make sure I’m not up there disrupting the economy.

A late-night Calgary arrival found me needing a room for the night so I could sightsee the next day. Information sent me to the nearest hotel, which was a grand old railroad hotel basically clipped to the train station. As with all the other service staff I encountered on the trip, the room reservations clerk was extremely solicitous at my comfort. He asked if I wouldn’t mind taking the last room, the salesmen’s room, which has full of display material of the kind a salesmen needed to show his wares. I happily took the room and the pipe-rack clothes carts didn’t bother me a bit. The room was HUGE, not only large but high-ceilinged. Slightly eccentric, perhaps, but nonetheless a bit of luxury stumbled onto by mistake.

It was east out of Regina, a division stop, that I reached the height of my trip: a cab ride. All I had had to do was ask one of the trainmen; who got in touch with the engineer and fireman for their okay. In what I was beginning to recognize was classic Canadian modesty, the engineer talked down the prairie view and the old equipment. Just the week before he had had the run over the mountains; squeezed in with the operators was an entire American flight crew including pilot! The engineer also apologized for the “poky” (his word) equipment, since the elderly EMD loco’s (F7’s??) were limited to winter speeds lest the steam line break. I got to toot the horn and see what must have been thousands of prairie dogs go scuttling away. Apologize?? I was in hog heaven.

I flew home from Winnipeg with a million memories and a fistful of Canadian dollars; now made obsolete because of the Loon coin. Sadly, as we know the Canadian transcontinental trains don’t run every day; I understand the CP route isn’t operated at all in the winter. How sad to think that the fantastic traveling experience I had is now limited to people willing to pay US$5,000-plus for the Royal Canadian. As a result of the trip I became a converted Canadaphile and have visited the country several times since, but none so memorably as my transcontinental trip. [bow]

[trolleyboy]

Tom Good evening to you again sir, not only will I not forget about your blue I intend to make you a Canadian or Black label man as well. Speaking of which i think I will partake in a said mentioned black label while I contemplate this evenings activities.

You see Tom you now have an out for at least some of your old stock piled brass rail. It should make a quite effective bit of third rail in the exposed spots. Excellant idea and attention to detail as always.

Good to see that Nick and BK have come back always good to have a few familiar faces around the bar. mind the "dillo" leavings however.

smalling first off a definate hello and thank-you for dropping by with such a wonderfull story [bow] Just the sot of thing we like to see around here. I do hope you stay with us and get to know us. I think that you will like the comraderie and tales from around the bar here. [tup]

Ted You sound right on track with your El should work in quite nicely woth your set up. The Birney's certainly were the most unpleasant car type to ride on, the later double trucked versions offered a better rode, but the accomadations were generally very spartan. Cheap and effective , though of coarse that is what was intended when they were concieved, many a street railway lived and died by them.

Ted the skeleton car loading and travelling guidelines were not alone in the mention in the book. They would cover just about any type of odd dimentional load and even the school cars and trains.Mountain railroading certainly had it's challenges ( not that I didn't say it's ups and downs,though I soarly wanted too. [swg] )

Yes I am a true loather of the laying and subsiquent wiring of track. to bad you can't wave a magic wand and it appears. Oh well in every lifew a little rain needs to fall.



Pete Thanks for the url to the Blackpool tramway , I have marked it for later retreival and perusal.I can't imagine what the ride would have been like for those poor people on those RDC's with all the stops starts and slowdowns. must have been murder on the brakes and traction motors on the RDC's as well.

BK As Tom has said he and I will be in Toronto in May reguardless you are most welcome to join us, for a blue a few train rides and I'm sure lots of tall tales. [tup] I hope your trip was successfull and contained at least one note worthy rail voyage for you.

Well that should catch me up temporarily at least, nice to see some lengthy stories of rail travel et al today. [tup]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

I thought that I would throw a curve ball at you gentlemen tonight. Instead of a classic juice, I will entertain you with an excerpt of... Classic CNR Steam

I will borrow some explinations from Ian Wilson's Steam at Allandale for the technical help. [tup]


So Classic CNR Steam #1 The Huntsville Subdivision

The Huntsville subdivision ran ( still runs ) through central Ontario in the Muskoka lakes district. It is a 111 mile subdivision running from Huntsville through to it's Northern terminus of North Bay.And down to it's southern terminus of Gravenhurst.

The local switching was done three times a week.These originated in North Bay on mon, wed, and fri.laying over in South River, and returning on alternate days.The Southern trains also operated three days a week starting at South River to Gravenhurst same three days a week will the layover at scotia ontario, and returning on alternate days.

The Huntsville switcher This served the Acme planning mills,Cities service oil spur,McColl Frontenac coal shed,( train coal and hating coal ) Supertest/sun oils petrolium spur,the stations frieght shed for lcl service,Anglo-Canadian leather's two spurs,Forest basket co( gone in 1957 ) and The Muskoka Wood products spur ( charcol plant )

Usually this train was called at 5:15or 5:45 am and was powered by ten wheelers or consolidation type locomotives.

Gravenhurst-South River way frieghts served
South falls-team track
Bracebridge-Sheir lumber,Anglo_Can leather's coal bin spur,(leather co gone in 1951 ) Imperial oil's spur,Northern planning mill ( two sidings) the Bracebridge station's team track and freight shed ( lcl loading )Muskoka trading feed mill


Utterson-team track ( pulp wood & lumberloaded)

Falkenburg -team track ( cities service ) ,Lumber and planning loads and pulpwood also loaded at this team track.

Martins-team track ( lumber & pulpwood )

North of Huntsville -Muskoka wood products spur ( charcoal ), K>J> Wallace( became international ceramic minning ) Taplins mill ( lumber and pulpwood)

Novar-back tracks ( pulpwood , lumber, from novar lumbermill )

Scotia- back track and storage tracks ( logs from Algonquin park ,off spot cars for the park line,) Baldwins ( small ice facility )

Emsdale-team track for Scotia Jct Trading lumber co. ( large volume lumber and pulpwood facility)

Katrine- team track spur ( little used )
North Bay - South river trains

Burk's Falls-team track( freight shed behind station )lcl friegth, back track coal,and lumber loading.Thompson heydan ( lumber spur )

Sundridge- Pineland timber,Oakville basket company ,team track ( feed , lumber,stock pens and grist mill )

South river - team track ( behind freight shed ) long logs for international shipping,) Coaling tower, stock pens ,( large seasonal cattle and pig auctions here ) Standard chemical ( charcoal out , boxcars of fertilizer and tank cars of alcohol out and in )

Trout Creek-team track (lumber & pulpwood )Glen Robertsons shipped logs to inco in sudbury and telephone poles.

Powassin-teamtrack ( for finihed lumber from Powassin Planning supply co,) One shipment of cattle a week from Powassin Farm Supply

Hills- team track ( lumber & pulpwood )

Calander-frieght shed ( lcl loading ) J. B. Smith co lumber& charcoal ( several sidings )Citiies service siding.

Nipissing-transfer yard,( south bound picked up at ONR yard then lifted local traffic at the transfer yard.All cars were weighed at Huntsville and all southbound trains coaled and waterd here.

These trains normally wer called at 6:15 am Typical power was consolidation some heavy mikes.

Passenger trains om this subdivision included mixed trains 263/264 for Algonquin park, Trains 41/44 and 46/47 Two day trains runin each direction between North Bay and Toronto. These trains handled considerablr hraad end volume in mail and express picked up and set out along the way.

Train 3 The Continental Limited This was the Vancouver bound arm of the Continental limited which passed through allandale ( Barrie ) just ahead of train 47. Motive power was usually a bullet nosed betty of the 6060 series(4-8-2 ) mountain type. Unually 11-17 cars including sleepers and dinning cars.

trains 49/50 Joint ONR/CNR trains that ran between Toronto and Timmons typical power was Northerns or Mountains

trains 51/52 Summer only trains between Capreol and Toronto power was usually heavy pacific types

Trains 55/56 Summer only THe Algonquin ran into Algonquin Park daily except sunday.Thes wer a tourist train from Toronto handled by pacifics and consolidations ( from Gravenhurst to the Park due to bridge restrictions )

Trains 43/156 Summer only trains from Toronto to North Bay usually a heavy passenger pacific or a mountain would handle this train.

Trains 45/42/148 night trains operated from Toronto to Midland via Allendale ( Barrie )Thes mail trains conected to the Meaford passenger trains and only operated as far North as Orilla.

A short version of the typically busy mid ontario trains on the CNR branch lines.
hope you stayed awake.

Rob

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day! Time for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our <light> breakfasts! Whatillyahave [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(2) Friday is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With ample time to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]



INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 00:24:32 (158) Inclusive Post!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 01:15:42 (158) [blue]

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 02:07:39 (158) reply to trolleyboy

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 08:12:48 (158) Inclusive Post!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 09:35:48 (158) Veterans Train

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 11:12:45 (158) Reading RR

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:22:28 (158) NOSTALGIA #22 – Ad – SP, City of San Francisco

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 12:59:45 (158) Inclusive Post!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 13:37:40 (158) NOSTALGIA – PGE RDC speed chart

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 13:57:33 (158) reply to Theodorebear – coalminer3 – trolleyboy, etc.

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 14:09:07 (158) for Tom

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:07:31 (158) for Rob

(13) BudKarr BK Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 15:15:49 (158) He’s baaaaaaaack!

(14) BudKarr BK Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:00:48 (158)

(15) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 16:35:18 (158) Inclusive Post!

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 17:02:54 (158) MONON

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 18:02:33 (158) Inclusive Post!

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:15:58 (158) reply to BudKarr – Theodorebear – passengerfan – pwolfe

(19) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:29:28 (158)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 19:35:51 (159) reply to nickinwestwales

(21) smalling_60626 Allen Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 20:32:13 (159) 1st visit and trip report!

(22)trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 22:50:58 (159) Inclusive Post!

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 23:55:47 (159) Classic CNR Steam #1 – The Hunstville Subdivision

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment![/b]

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Terminal (IT)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Mileage in 1950: 462

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 14
Diesel: 18
Electric: 38
Battery Diesel-electric: 2
Battery trolley: 1
Diesel trolley 1

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 1,868
Passenger cars: 63

Principal routes in 1950: (Illinois, except as noted)

St. Louis, MO-Peoria
Springfield-Danville
Decatur-Mackinaw Jct. via Bloomington
Alton (Federal)-East St. Louis via Edwardsville
Alton- (Federal)-East St. Louis via Granite City
Venice-Grafton via Mitchell
Troy Jct.-O’Fallon

Passenger trains of note:

Capitol Limited (St. Louis-Peoria)
City of Decatur (St. Louis-Decatur)
Fort Crevecoeur (St. Louis-Peoria)
Illini (St. Louis-Champaign)
Illmo Limited (St. Louis-Peoria
Mound City (St. Louis-Peoria)
Owl (St. Louis-Peoria)
Peoria Flyer (St. Louis-Peoria)
St. Louis Flyer (Peoria-St. Louis)
Sangamon (St. Louis-Peoria

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Coffee, please, round for the house, and some $ for the jukebox.

Lots of good postings on the board today. My compliments to all.

Here are a couple of books which may be useful to those who have an interest in the Reading and some of the other "anthracite lines."

Donald L. Miller and Richard E. Sharpless. The Kingdom of Coal: Work, Enterprise, and Ethnic Communities in the Mine Fields.
Edgar A. Haine. Anthracite Coal.

I'll post Veterans Day material a little later today

work safe

[Anonymous]

What a great start for a Thursday morning. Tom, I'll take a squeeze of grapefruit, Bavarian creme and a splash of Juan Valdez, please. Nickinwestwales [C=:-)], we were beginning to think the West winds had carried you away to some exotic spot like a cruise ship gig. So glad to have you back in the "fold." Smalling Allen, you surely came along at the right time. The narrative of your rail adventure through the North Country was lucidly clear and nearly like "being there."[tup] Welcome to "Our" Place and we hope you won't be a stranger in the future. Is there anything finer than being pampered in "first class" on your favorite means of travel?[^]

Pete indeed, after the war (at first) cheap rubber toys and then plastic kits became available to kids of my generation. Revell, Lindbergh, Airfix and Monogram come to mind but there were others too. HO train kits of "stamped" metal sides, wooden floors/roofs and Zamac die cast ends were available from about 1947 forward. However, decent running trucks (bogies) were a problem until the early 1950s. My first purchase in HO was a John A. English Alco FA-1 which I bought "Lay-Away" (30-60-90 days same as cash). I paid $20. for it at $10. @ month. So in 2 months time, it was "all" mine. More of this later. Thank you for the "Blackpool Transport" URL, those Trams are exquisite and beautifully maintained.[tup] The "double decks" and "open" cars must be very popular in summer.

Passengerfan Al, how on earth did Monon manage to "make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear?" As I recall the later Army Hospital Cars were smooth sides with passenger vestibules but any resemblance to a streamilined car ends there.[:)] I'll try to find any pix of same on the net, really curious.

Tom, the Illinois Terminal "Flag" may be obscure to many but I recall seeing their freight rolling stock often on some of my road trips throughout the midwest. As to the change of Amtrak's "Honcho," there may be more than one way of judging the move. The only profitable division is the Northeastern Corridor and even that has been compromised in service by the horrendous losses incurred from other unprofitable divisions. The System is "locked in" a pitiable "rob Peter to pay Paul" scenario that can only continue to be a self consuming fiscal liability to tax payers. If Amtrak were allowed to keep their present budget and sell off the Boston to D.C. div. to capital investors, perhaps both entities would benifit.[2c]

I need to do some browsing for more info. on details for elevated train support structures. Since the area available for the "El" conforms to the same diminsions as the trolley, I must figure how to run M.U. over like radii loops. This won't be easy. Okay, Boris, clean whites tomorrow and see if you can do something about those boots before being seen by the clientele. Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

G’day All,

First a bit of “in house stuff”: I will be away for most of the morning and afternoon. Cindy will have the bar. Be nice, boyz! Remember, Boris and his pet, Tex the Armadillo will be “guarding” her. [swg]

I see we have had a new visitor and that’s appreciated. More when I get into the acknowledgments. There is an ongoing effort underway by some of the guys to get some “new blood” into the bar ‘n grill. The idea is to be “selective” and I don’t have to tell any of you what that means. We are not at all interested in the frivolous nonsense, nor the immature. Our Posts are full of great info on Classic Trains – real or model along with some adult humor to add a bit of “spice” to the place. Pretty simple approach I’d say.

smalling_60626 Allen Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 20:32:13

Hello Allen – First – thanx for taking me up on the invitation to stop by ”Our” Place. I think you’ll enjoy what we do ‘round here and I know the guys will appreciate conversing with you. I note that you have included some personal info in your Profile – that’s something we appreciate and feel free to “check us out” as well. It’s a great way to get to know one another! [tup]. We do have a couple of guys who aren’t “into” sharing very much of their personal lives – and we respect that. It’s pretty much the way one conducts himself ‘round here that counts with us.

As I’ve indicated on the “other” thread, your Post is precisely what we are all about. My “take” on what you have said and the way you’ve said it, is that there are more stories to come! Let ‘em rip! [tup]

You will find that I am pretty much the “consummate” VIA Rail traveler ‘round here. Been doing so for over 15 years. Of course with family in Nova Scotia, it helps! Anyway, as we get to know one another, you may find the time to review some of my Posts regarding the “Ocean” and the “Canadian” trips I’ve taken. Also have lots of photos (pix – as we call ‘em) on the pages, or better yet, within my photo albums.

Let me quickly run through a few things you may wi***o know about ”Our” Place:

We are not at all like the majority of threads out there on the Forums, in that we acknowledge one another and take the time to greet the barkeep upon entering, and of course order something (have to pay the bills dontcha know!?). We absolutely detest the “hit ‘n run” type of visitor – one who ‘drops’ a comment, no greeting, no acknowledgment of others, and rarely returns. Those are unwelcome ‘round here and we do our best to ensure they don’t return.

Classic Trains is what we are about and a good way to begin the learning curve is to review page 1 of this thread. Then I’d recommend going back to page 153 start there for some samplings of the Posts and daily SUMMARIES. You’ll quickly get the idea.

Next time you stop in, you’ll get the “official” welcome and a complimentary drink! [tup]

Appreciate your time and effort to visit with us! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 09 Nov 2005, 22:50:58 and 23:55:47

Black Label [?] Heck, I was consuming that when Moby *** was a minnow! [swg] Carlings was then brewed in Baltimore, MD and put out some fine brew. Looking forward to my “reunion” with it. Of course, I’ll have to “kill the taste” with a Blue or three! [swg]

Isn’t it something the way things work out [?] Just a week or so ago I was commenting about the excess brass track – and now that I’m into constructing my subway system – Bam – a use! [tup] [yeah] I think a third rail will look just fine and all I have to figure out is how to go about doing it!! But as with most things in model railroading, it will come ……

Regarding the laying of track and wiring – that’s my speciality! I detest the landscaping – well, not as much as I used to. I’m also not “into” scratch building, but have “kit bashed” thing or two. Too bad we all aren’t in some reasonable proximity – what a Club we could form! [yeah]

Man oh man you put a lot into that Classic CNR Steam #1 Post and it shows. Well done, m’boy, well done! Have one on me! [tup][tup][tup] I am going to have to redesign that Index section on the Monday SUMMARY if you keep going with these super fine contributions. [swg] Really appreciate the time and effort you put into keeping this thread up ‘n runnin’ but, I’ve said that a few zillion times, haven’t I [?] I guess there are only so many ways one can express appreciation for your Inclusive Posts! and informative offerings.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 07:59:15

That’s gotta be the shortest Post yet – you MUST be busy! We’ll be looking for your Vets Day offering later on …….Thanx for the info on the books and of course the round and quarters for the Wurltizer!

Okay guys – I gotta get movin’. The daily NOSTALGIA piece will be Posted before I go and the rest is up to y’all to keep this place of ours hoppin’.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:08:19

G’day Manager Ted Nice Inclusive Post! from you too. [tup][tup] They are comin’ rather fast ‘n furious on this mornin’ that I must be getting’ a move on. Isn’t that always the way [?]

I had no clue that the Illinois Terminal ran passenger trains. This truly is an education experience with those Fallen Flags even if I am the “creator.” [swg]

Catch y’all later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

P.S. A suggestion for all: When Posting, try not to check out immediately thereafter. Review your Post (wait for it to “come up” on the screen) and you just may find that there is another right before or after yours. Then hit the “Refresh” button. This works and prevents one from missing someone else’s timely input. You can always “edit” your submission to include commentary for the more recent “stuff.”

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #23

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1950 advertisement in my personal collection.


You arrive and depart Down-Town on the Santa Fe – not out in the country

When you’re gong somewhere, you want to be there when you arrive.

Go Santa Fe. You leave on your trip when you plan to leave.

You arrive relaxed, refreshed, at a convenient station right downtown, close to your hotel or office.

Travel Santa Fe and you choose accommodations to suit yourself. You get privacy as you like it. You have room to roam around when you want it. You enjoy wonderful Fred Harvey meals.

You be the judge. Go Santa Fe all the way!

Ride great trains through a great country

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon: Coffee, please, round for the house, and how about some Big Band items on the jukebox since we are heading into Veterans/Remembrance Day.

I went looking through some wartime era PRR material in the "vault."

First is a list of PRR-operated sleeping car lines in 1942.

Second is a list of scheduled times of PRR trains on Horseshoe Curve in 1942. This is just the scheduled trains, no main trains, freight, extras, etc.

People sometimes ask if I had a time machine what would I like to see. First is always the parade of NYC trains behind steam along the Hudson. Next is PRR in the 1940s, closely followed by a visit to Buffalo in abt. 1943-1944.

THE PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Pennsylvania Railroad Sleeping Car Service (1942)

Chicago-New York
Harrisburg-Pittsburgh
Chicago-Pittsburgh
St. Louis-Columbus
Chicago-Washington
St. Louis-New York
Chicago-Scranton (via DL&W at Sunbury)
St. Louis-Washington
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia
Indianapolis-New York
Pittsburgh-Atlantic City
Indianapolis-Washington
Chicago-Boston (via New York)
St. Louis-Pittsburgh
Chicago-Cleveland
Louisville-Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh-Boston
Columbus-New York
Pittsburgh-Springfield, MA
Columbus-Washington
Pittsburgh-Baltimore
Cincinnati-New York
Louisville-New York
Birmingham-New York
Cincinnati-Cleveland
Memphis-New York
Pittsburgh-Harrisburg
Washington-Indianapolis
Detroit-Cincinnati

Horseshoe Curve Times (1942)

No. Train For Time
31 Spirit of St. Louis St. Louis 12:02 a.m.
65 Jeffersonian St. Louis 12:08 a.m.
22 Manhattan Limited New York 12:44 a.m.
116-66 Fort Hayes/American New York/ Washington 1:12 a.m.
23 Manhattan Limited Chicago 1:16 a.m.
76 Trail Blazer New York/ Washington 1:18 a.m.
22-50 Manhattan Limited/Statesman Washington 1:36 a.m.
22-36 Manhattan Limited/ Philadelphia Express Philadelphia 2:11 a.m.
70 Admiral New York 2:18 a.m.
33-27 St. Louis 2:33 a.m.
67 American St. Louis 2:41 a.m.
58 Liberty Limited Washington 2:45 a.m.
908-30 Spirit of St. Louis New York/ Washington 2:57 a.m.
48 General New York 3:19 a.m.
908-64 Jeffersonian New York 3:34 a.m.
28 Broadway Limited New York 3:41 a.m.
35-79 Pittsburgh Night Express/ Golden Arrow Chicago 4:51 a.m.
37-79 Iron City Express/Golden Arrow Chicago 5:00 a.m.
78 Pennsylvanian New York/ Washington 5:14 a.m.
51-79 Statesman/Golden Arrow Chicago 5:50 a.m.
79-43-267-11 Golden Arrow/Rainbow Chicago 5:57 a.m.
42 Rainbow New York 6:58 a.m.
6-18 Philadelphia 8:24 a.m.
2 Pennsylvania Limited New York/ Washington 9:49 a.m.
12-113 Chicago 10:38a.m.
54 Gotham Limited New York/ Washington 1 10:52 a.m.
62-72 Golden Triangle/Juniata New York/ Washington 12:06 p.m.
44-24 Pittsburgh Express New York/ Washington 2:31 p.m.
26-24 New York/ Washington 2:31 p.m.
25-15-155-33-109 Metropolitan/Chicago Express/Ohioan
Chicago /St. Louis 2:33 p.m.
75-63 Duquesne/Golden Triangle Chicago 5:56 p.m.

120-46-186 Mail New York 6:39 p.m. (Sat. only)
33-63 St Louisan/Golden Triangle Chicago 7:29 p.m.
118-18 Mail Philadelphia 8:24 p.m. (Xpt Sat.)
5 Pennsylvania Limited Chicago 9:14 p.m.
49 General Chicago 10:42 p.m.
52 New Yorker New York 11:09 p.m.
59 Liberty Limited Chicago 11:23 p.m.
77 Trail Blazer Chicago 11:30 p.m.
29 Broadway Limited Chicago 11:44 p.m.

Here's some ad copy

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It's more important now than ever that your plant should be geared to adequate transportation. Ask any of these Pennsylvania Railroad representatives about locations now available."

Here's another

"So Convenient!
10 Fast Trains Daily to New York
Led by Broadway Limited
5 Fine Trains Daily to Washington
Led by Liberty Limited

Best of all, this convenient service offered by Pennsylvania Railroad between Chicago and the East is available every day - regardless of weather!

So, to be on time for National Defense or other business appointments step aboard this All-Westher Fleet.

Finest Pullman accommodations - roomettes, duplex rooms, bedrooms, compartments, drawing rooma, master rooms, sections. For coach passengers, reclinging-seat coaches on practically all through trains. Low fares - both Pullman and coach."

work safe

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
The IT was an interesting road from a passengers point of view as this was all heavy Interurban the routes passenger service was operated over.
After WW II they purchased ight streamlined MU's to make up three trains. The MU's were built by St. Louis car and resembled the Electroliners except they were not articulated . Not surprising they resembled the Electroliners since they were both built by St. Louis Car Co.
The three IT trains were compirised of two three car and one two car train.Both the three car and two car trains Featured a shovelnose Cab unit with small baggage compartment and 44 Coach seats numbers 300-302,and a Parlor Observation with a Buffet and 21 Parlor Seats These were numbered and named 350 LOUIS JOLLIET 351 SHADRACH BOND and 352 PIERRE LACLEDE. The two three car trains also had a 56-seat coach MU they were numbered 330 and 331.
The first streamliner to enter service was the two car CITY OF DECATUR on November 7, 1948 operating a daily St. Louis - Decatur round trip of 108.1 miles each way in 3 Hours 57 minutes. The consist was 302 Cab Baggage 40-Revenue Seat Coach and 252 PIERRE LACLEDE 8-Seat Buffet 21-Seat Lounge Observation. The service was discontinued in 1950 and the train became the SANGAMON operating between St. Louis and East Peopia a distance of 171. 5 miles in 4 hours 25 minutes.
The first three car train FORT CREVECOUR entered service February 27, 1949 between St. Louis and Peoria round trip daily wth the following consist.

300 Control Cab Baggage 40 Revenue Seat Coach
330 56-Revenue Seat Coach
350 LOUIS JOLLIET 8-Seat Buffet 21-Seat Parlor Observation

The second three car train MOUND CITY entered service April 10, 1949 between St. Louis and E. Peoria round trip daily. with the following consist.

301 Control Cab Baggage 40-Revenue Seat Coach
331 56-seat Coach
351 SHADRACH BOND 8-Seat Buffet 20- Seat Parlor Observation

All three streamlined IC trains were discontinued in 1955 and spent years thereafter in a St. Louis scrapdealers lot before finally being dismantled. It is said the scrap dealer had hoped to find a buyer for the almost new cars but never had any luck, that was why they spent so many years in the scrapyard before meeting their fate. The trains were painted white and Blue with fluted stainless steel panels below the windows.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Okay Cindy I'm back and I thank you for watching the "store"! Doesn't appear as if you had very many customers today - just one regular. Hope he behaved himself! [swg] What's that [?] Ohhhhhhhh [censored]

Hey CM3 that's quite a compilation you put together on my most favorite RR of all time - the PRR/Pennsy! [tup][tup][tup] Sure is nice knowing that the "information age " hasn't dried up yet. [swg]

Man oh man - I'll have to really go thru all of that Post of yours - which I will - in order to fully absorb it all. Appreciate your particpation, albeit a day early. But "you done good!"

Music for tomorrow is all "big band" with a few others from Great Britain - sing it , Vera!
(That's Vera Lynn Welch of East Ham, London, who was extremely popular during WWII. One song comes to mind - "Auf Wiederseh'n Sweetheart" along with perhaps her most popular "war song," "We Will Meet Again.")

Here's a URL for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Lynn

Hope to see ya soon - but I suspect it won't be 'til Monday. So enjoy the weekend!

Hey Al Snuck that Post right in, dintcha [?] [swg]

Appreciate the info on the IT [tup] What a sad demise for their passenger operation and equipment. If you can find some photos, it would really fit in quite well with our Sunday Photo Posting Day!. Why not give it a go [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hey Tom,I see you there-an Alexanders for yourself and I`ll have a Staropramen,-Now,if memory serves,its thursday-therefore,Fish & Chip night is upon us again.
I`ve had a quick look around the galley and whilst there are one or two small matters which I will be discussing with Boris later,generally,all is well .Thus,tonight `Our Place` is delighted to offer-Cod & Haddock in batter,Whole-Tail scampi or `Surf & Turf` (8oz gammon with Tiger Prawns) with fries,coleslaw,salad bowl & breads --OR---Wing of Skate au beurre noisette,baby peppers stuffed with white crab meat on a bed of salad,Cleddau Bass poached in lime,rum & ginger & grilled lemon Sole all served with pommes duchesse,veg de jour and hot breads---dessert trolley available-------spread the word,if you want to eat out-eat at `Our Place`.............bed time,night all,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Yo Nick

Received your Email reply and you pose an interesting sub-plot indeed! I'm all for it! Will require a bit of ......... let's talk some more! [swg]

So, Chief Chef [C=:-)] is baaaaaaaack! Now, I wouldn't put that spread out wherever Tex the Armadillo happens to be. Fish 'n Armadillos, hmmmmmmm.

Almost forgot how tasty a meal we've had 'round here on Thursdays ... been awhile, eh [?] Glad you'r back! [tup]

Hope you can stop in for our Veterans/Remembrance Day celebration. It's not a party, although Ted has arranged for three cakes (one for each flag), with no one or nothing jumpin' or leapin' out of 'em! [swg]

Later, Mate!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Tom. A fairly slow day but all seems to be well. I'll have a label and some of Nick's exquisite left overs.

The It is an interesting choice. Ted and I may have had a juice effect on you after all [swg] The IT had some monster articulated freight motors four truckers, which hefted if I remeber correctly close to 4000hp. they are of coarse known for their interurban cars and Al has nicley explained their last and perhaps best in typical Al flair [bow]

Carlings Black label was likly the first beer I ever had I do still like it today but it's not as common as it once was. Maybe Mabel decided that she wanted more Royalties [swg]

Im glad you liked the CNR steaam bit. i will not take full credit for it the essence was of coarse hashed out by Ian Wilson, the guru of branch and mainline CNR steam. I figure that I'll tickle everyones fancy with a bit like this periodically. And shamlessly plug his books for him. Next volume in CNR steam in Northern Ontario is due out early in February it will be released at the Copetown Ontario train show as have his previous 5 books.

Ted I concur with you Pete's url was womderfull. those are some well loved and cared for trolley's. Make sure you keep us posted on Wed's on the never ending saga of the El. As I had said before I think it's a can't miss edition to your rendition of KC!

CM3 Thank's for the start of of the rememberances. Your post goes to,show the absolute importance of the rail infrastructure, in moving people and supplies. Roads on both side of the boarder and in Europe certainly impacted the ends of both world wars.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Gentlemen. I shall of coarse pop by in the morning but I had been up tonight thinking on what I could possible add to our act of remeberance tomorrow.

I know that many of our regulars have served in some form or have had family serving or served as well. Myself included. Mr Greatgrandfather served in the first Canadain division during WW1, I never got much of a chance to talk to him ( he passed when I was 5 ) From what I understand he would have been in Europe right around the time of the Vimy Ridge Battle ( I do not know if he actually took part in it ). I have sent away to Ottawa for his records and once they arrive they may shed some light. Heather's Grandfather also was in France in 1917-18 as well as a great uncle or two from both of our families. we were luckey all of them came back to Canada changed but alive.

We can only shake the hands of the survivours and thank them for their selflessness. Most of all we cannot forget, our allies and countrymen's deeds. We also should not forget those people of all three of our countries that are in harms way today. theirs is still the same struggle the world sought to end in those two terrible decades.

Normally I would watch the CBC coverage of the Ottawa cenataph services but this year Heather and I will go down to the Brantford cenetaph an do some thank-yous in person.

Finally I think we should also remember the other vets,from the other countries who opposed us. Not an easy thing to do in some cases, but these people suffered as well,and their struggles should be remembered as well. if for no other reason then to possibly forgive, and heal decades old wounds.

I'll leave you with a story. Several years ago I visited a small stone house in the middle of Guelph ontario. Made famous by it's once owner. Not for any heroics in the mud of French and Belgian trenches, but for his words which helped sum up, and to this day still tug the heart strings of those who hear or read them. Three paragraphs from over 80 years ago. But they still ring true today,their message and warnings need to be headed,less we find ourselves repeating history.

Lest We Forget.


Words by LCol John McCrae of the Royal Canadian Medical corps scralled down in his personal diary in 1915.During his break from the rebuilding of many shattered young lives from both sides of no mans land.



In Flander's Fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place,and in the sky
The Lark still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below


We are the dead, short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunsets glow
Loved,and were loved,and now we lie
In Flander's Fields


Take up our quarrel,with the foe
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flander's Fields.

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day! Time for some freshly brewed coffee, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and our <light> breakfasts! Whatillyahave [?]


A belated [bday] to the U.S. Marine Corps, created by Resolution of the Continental Congress on November 10th, 1775. Semper Fi! [tup][tup][tup]


Info for the Day:

(1) Today, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, we will be Posting information reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both.



(2) Today is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Saturday is normally a day when things are rather slow, so we use it to repeat some Posts of interest. We call it, ENCORE! Day. We are open all day, but the responses may be a bit longer in coming that usual. [swg]

(4) Sunday is Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED until 6 AM Monday

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 05:35:55 (159) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 05:37:49 (159) Fallen Flag – IT

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 07:59:15 (159)

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:08:19 (159) Inclusive Post! (159)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:25:53 (159) reply to smalling_60626 – trolleyboy – coalminer3 – Theodorebear

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 08:36:40 (159) NOSTALGIA #23 – Ad AT&SF (1950)

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 14:10:17 (159) Vet’s/Remembrance Day Post – PRR

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 16:13:3 (159) IT

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 16:15:28 (159) reply to coalminer3 & passengerfan

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 19:34:30 (159) Two days in a row!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 19:50:20 (159) reply to nickinwestwales

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Nov 2005, 23:46:24 (159) Inclusive Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place Commemoration of Veterans/Remembrance Day 2005


Number 1 of 9:

. . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . .

All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota.

The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits.

From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills.

When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production.

With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943.

The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY
ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC

IN THE ZONE Of Plenty

More to follow ……..

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]