"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Afternoon Tom I think I can handle a Canadian now please. You need to train the dog or Boris to type for you then you'd have more mrring time [:-^][:D] BTW the latest pullman bit was quite good [tup]

FW Is our local engineer, he seemed to understand who I was raving at [:O] Once we have a name I'll be better,I always mess up on the handles.

Thank-you BTW for the info on the loco's. In this case it was a wide cab GE leading a conventionally cabed sister. ( apparently CNwon't let them run them in the reverse order the conventionals aren't lead unit certified in Canada for whatever reason ) In this case the trailing unit completely shut down on them half way up,bad enough that the Mechanic was meeting them in London. [xx(] ( scanner in the hobby shop tells all [swg] ) The Dundas sub hill is a fourteen mile climb at two percent not huge but when it's wet, well lets just say the stalling loading westbound ( uphill ) is quite common. CN and Via run mostly GM power through there for that reason I'm sure.Interesting letter BTW, I've always liked those kinds of memoribilla, neat stuff.


Okay even though it's Monday this is the photo that should have happened yesterday.



As I said yesterday this is bullet nosed betty 6060 a CNR mountain type ( oil burner converted from coal in 1945 ) She still runs today in excursion service just a tad north of Calgary.

Tom You don't want a canadian praire winter -40C is T-shirt weather there.[swg][:O] can get much colder. You do need to ride the ACR in the sault eventually ( I will get you there at some point ) The tour of the line train which is a regular run may be more your style.


Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day (again)!

Rob I've "dubbed" our Engineer, NSE (check the SUMMARIES, until he decides on a "handle." As the kids say, whatevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver! [swg]

You are correct, Sir - I much prefer regularly scheduled trains any day and time over those excursions and tourist traps. So many trains, so little time! [swg] (Used to say that about gals, but ........... [}:)][:-,])

Beautfiul shot of 6060. Really nice looking machine indeed and a mighty powerful beast at that.

If it wasn't for the fact that you don't know day from night, light from dark, not to mention what day of the week it is - I'd have you "keel hauled" for pix Posting on any day other than Sunday! Given your circumstances, however, "dispensation" has been approved and awarded - you are a "lucky" guy, trolleyboy Rob! [swg]

I don't think I could handle minus 40 (F) on a steady basis, but I sure could learn to love those kinds of winters. I've been in those temps in all kinds of conditions. Try it at sea with the ocean spray freezing immediately upon impact on the ship. That's when "all hands" get out on deck to break the ice away, otherwise - stability lost, down she goes. Did that more than once in the North Atlantic off Greenland and also Labrador, and again in the Bering Sea. Given a chocie between "roasting" and "freezing," mine is the latter choice. [swg]

FTE Thanx for the "letter" Post - hope the guys pick up on it. It's a "keeper" fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

Thought we'd see the return of coalminer3 CM3 today. Sure is "different" these days (daze) without the "mainstays" - CM3 in the morning, and West Coast S Dave for the afternoons. That was a good "balance," kept me from having to monitor this stuff all day. Oh well ......

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hmm seems railimages is having difficulties again oh well the picture did show up on the preview so eventually it will materialize from the either. In the meantime boris ring up a round for the track crew and anyone else with their heads poking in the door.

Oh Tom I've left a new money converter for the wurlitzer it will now accept British and Canadian coin since we are attracting more international members lately. Not to worry CM3 it still eats takes US quarters as well. [swg]


Since it's a new week I'll frop a small Steam on the CNR on everyone.

CNR CLASSIC STEAM # 6 THE ROUSTABOUT

The "Roustabout" was a named daily way freight ( except sunday ) that worked from Kitchener to Elmira and return with service to Galt as required. Power was usually a ten wheeler or mogel from the Stratford shops.Or on occation a Kitchener assigned 0-8-0. The engine would lay over in Kitchener and return monthly to the Stratford big shops for inspection ( no service facilities in Kitchener )

The Van ( caboose ) was left overnight at the Kitchener station on track three, and on weekends behind the freight shed. A plow and flanger was also kept in kitchener for winter clearing of the local branchlines. Crews from Stratford maned this train which ran entirly within yard limits.

The Roustabout typical day as explained in Ian Wilson's to Stratford Under Steam

An engine crew climbing into the cab of the ten wheelerprepare for the morning job (6:30am.)They will work the three tracks of the freight shed at Kitchener before the factory men come on duty.They will call on Krug Furniture, BF Goodrich, Dominion Rubber,Electrohome before 9 o'clock.

At 9:30 the second crew services the engine and heads back east bound for a yard shift , lifting cuts of cars for westbound freight 400 and eastbound 401 both due in by 10:00.As the day progresses they work the Lancasteer street industries again and finish up the day with the lifts lined up for the manifest freights.

Second crew then reswitches the big industries and will head down ( as required to Elmira and St Jacobs and switch the elevators and industreis there. Coal and flour as well as beer will be lifted from breweries and furniture plants along the industrial spurs. Poles for the grand river railway in Galt ( CP electric line ) At galt they cross the diamond with the grand river railwaay and switch Perkins Glue, RCA Victor,Canadain Blower and Forge,Lang Tanning Co, and Schnieder's Meat Packing. This is all on light ex streetcar rail with a perminent 10mph slow order 85lbs rail laid in cinders )

It was a heavy industrial area switched two and three times a day. Still is for the most part by both CN and CPR on their old GRR line.


Rob

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang.. S capades looks fantastic, you are making progress indeed! Round for the house if you could mate. Welcome to one and all, a special hello to our new patrons and a good to see you to those familar.

Tom, all these topics on passenger operations brings to mind the delima the Southern Pacific faced regarding diesel passenger power. SP excelled during the war, in part due to modern steam designs and the ability of the craftsman employed, neverless, SP was fully commited to dieselization as soon as possible. In 1946 a study was conducted among EMD, ALCO, Fairbanks Morse to provide the means.

SP had considerable experience among EMD for F road units and Alco for switchers, FM was quickly culled from the selection process due their unique service requirements and the involvement of the War Assets Admistration that held production priority to the Opposed Engine design exclusively for US Navy submarine use..

Eeventually, FM power would find a place captive on the commute route and in switchers, but large FM power was far in SP's future.

SP arraigned with EMD for a demostration trial E7 set, these unit was assigned to the Shasta and Donner routes in regular passenger service and were found lacking, the test units did not posses dynamic brakes and were found to be underpowered at high altitudes, the unpowered idler axle in SP's opinion was a complete design flaw . The opinion of the initial E7 trials on the SP is best summed by a converstation with EMD, in which the supervising SP official quiped to his EMD counterpart that the E7 was a great locomotive, the NYC will love them, subsquently no EMD order was forthcoming as a results of these trials.

SP found the answer in the 241 series Alco PA, posessing dynamic brakes, all axles powered and turbocharged with those fantastic high capacity GE traction motors, deliveries began in 1949 with 76 in A and B units eventually being aquired. SP thought well enough to filter them through the Sacramento Shops beginning in 1959 for upgraded power plants and wiring upgrades and further upgrades in 1963 . The PA's were the first units to display the Grey and Scarlet scheme aka "Bloody Nose" which concided with the introduction of the new silver/red passenger scheme, unlike later years, the lettering was silver, not white when freshly shopped . SP maintained the PA's on the Overland Limited and other priorty passenger assignments until 1967. Forthcoming emissions regulations in california and a surplus of aging passenger power for the now reduced passenger traffic, in conjunction with the purchase of ten SDP45's the same year sealed their fate, SP never had anything but praise for the PAs and they earned a reputation of reliability and ease of maintance. It was with great relunctance that SP purged the PA's.

Eventually, EMD got its act together and was able to supply E units more to SP's liking, eventually, improved verison of those first maligned E7's would join the roster along with the E8 sucessor and a lone E9 and all would serve until retirements in the late 60s and early 70s sometimes Mu'ed with the PA's, another SP modification.

The most intersting trials occured with Trainmasters in regular passenger service on the Sunset Route , at 2400hp they excelled and could have been a serious contender if not for the opposed piston design, SP was well on the road to standardization by the time they arrived in 1953 and the thought of mixing power , material and training across the system was more then the shop forces and the railroad could economically tolerate, while concurently, the need to replace steam in commute service was quickly aproaching, reassignment was soon to follow for the entire Trainmaster fleet.

Lunch and drinks on me, enjoy all, Boris do what you do so well.....

Dave

[trolleyboy]

Tom Glad I've got a repreve[:D] What would you do without me around here anyway[?]

6060 is a nice engine. It's Heather's favourite BTW. That's a picture her dad took or bought not sure which in 1975 when she was still doing excursion work between Toronto and Niagara Falls in the summer. This shots in the falls,she's just wyed and is running back to the station with the passenger cars..


FTE It is,nice to have a railway guy around for all the hard questions though isn't it [?]


Well look at that Tom's magic he mention's Dave and poof he appears![:D] And he came bearing gifts of passenger train and locomotive information to boot not to mention a round for the house.Right back at you sir a round for your good self as well.[:D]

Boris be good, stop slobbering on Dave.[:p][:X] What can I say the [alien] missed you, and even Tex came out of his catatonic ball to great you as well,alls good in the land of Our Place[tup][^]

Well I'm off for now supper to make,[:D][:p] railroad.[tup][:D] to build same old same old.

Rob

[Trainnut484]

Good afternoon Tom and everyone. I'll have a nice ML for now. Snow flurries are a-flyin, and the northern wind is not forgiving today.

Doug, I liked the trackwalker series. Lonesome souls on the never ending journey (so it seemed).

Dan, I have some empathy for you. Both sides of a merged railroad have their quirps about the other side. Ironically, my wife's oldest sister worked for the Frisco in the corporate offices downtown Springfield as a computer programmer. After the BN merger in 1980, she was bumped to a yard position. She didn't like it, but hung on until she got her 20 years in for retirement a couple of more years after the merger. Her major concern about BN operations was when new software came along, it was put into the system before the bugs were worked out. That is not the best practice either on a railroad or any other company. During her time with the Frisco, new software was tested and the bugs worked out before it was released. I myself would not like to work for a company that just releases untested software into a network.

Take care,

Russell

[red p]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy


FTE It is,nnice to have a railway guy around for all the hard questions though isn't it [?]

I dont mind answering questions, if I know the answer. Nobody can know everything about a subject as broad as railroading (stay away from those that think they do)
A couple of years ago I was posting on another board railfan.net (I think)
Anyway someone asked a question about GE units,so I answered it in my honest opinion. Well I got a real nasty responce from someone (I geuss it wasnt the answer the was looking for) He called me a fake poster [:(!]
So I stayed away from message boards for quite awhile until I found this one.
While I was on railfan I did meet a young man that wanted to go to work for the railroad. I told him to think long and hard about, that it wasnt all it was cracked up to be. I told him to forget all that glory crap he was reading in the train rags, railroading today is not like that. But he was persistant and wanted my help, so I told where there was a hiring session in his area and what to do.
And he got Hired, Today he is a conductor on the NS working somewhere in N.C.

[West Coast S]

Back at you Trolleyboy, I see boris still has no sense of proper decorem, yek, what the? ..... who turned on the hose? I do indeed miss daily interaction with all of you, once i'm up to 21st century information capability I will humble these pages on a more frequent basis, besides I haven't harassed Tom in quite some time...Ok the offer of free libations and lunch still stands, enjoy all. Tom get ready...until then, drink up....

Dave

[nickinwestwales]

Well [4:-)]TOM-looks like I`ve a busy hour ahead checking the post-better have a bottle to take over with me plus one for yourself,back in a bit,nick[C=:-)]

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Rob Seeing 6060 brings back many fond memories. It was a sad day when they decided to retire 6218 but then word came we would have the 6060 and that was just fine with me. Rode excursions many times behind the 6060 they even let my daughter in the cab and blow the whistle. She did the same with the 2860 when that beauty from BC visited Toronto. My daughter still lives in Barrie with Husband and grandaughter. The trips on the trains with my daughter bring back many fond memories.

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ All,

What was that comment I made earlier today about the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” [?] Just look at the number of afternoon Postings – all quality and most welcome indeed! [tup][tup]

To the acknowledgments!

ftwNSenginee NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:53:28

You’ve had a busy day here at the bar and it’s appreciated! Now, how about making the cash register “ring”! [swg]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:17:54 and 16:25:13

What’s to say other than you’re a “prize” – one of a kind – we’d be somewhere between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea without ya, Mate! <geesh> This guy needs all kinds of positive reinforcement, eh [?] [swg]

By the by – didja catch that NSE not FTE [?] Gremlins! [swg]

Thanx for the round! Boris Ring it!

West Coast S Dave Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:24:42 and 17:05:47

Back again and hopefully the absence won’t be as long as the last one! Nice work on the SP Diesel Power for passenger trains. [tup][tup] That’s the kinda stuff we really miss from you and it’s good to see that you’re “with it” again! [yeah]

The S Capades is only lacking the 4 dozen deciduous trees, a bit more landscaping around the lake, and it’s done! Love operating those trains, good quality stuff indeed. [tup][tup]

Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:37:04

Good seein’ ya! By the by, we could use your help with Sunday Photo Posting Day! The well’s runnin’ a bit dry on my end. If anyone can come up with some glorious pix, you surely can! [tup] Thanx in advance! [swg]

nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 18:51:20

Brother Nick has returneth! Welcome to Brother MO’s travelin’ Snake Oil and Repentence Show! [swg] Sorry, I get just a bit carried away when listening to one of my all time favorites groaning out a tune – Neil Diamond is the man and his “Brother Love’s Travelin’ Salvation Show!” One of America’s most talented artists and composers and still touring. Heck, if the Stones can, why not him [?] <grin>

I met Neil Diamond in LA/Hollywood back in the 80s. Was all in conjuction with an assignment I had while working for Prez Reagan – seriously. I’ll save it up for the Rendezvous in Toronto! [swg]

Thanx for the drink! [tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 19:22:29

Thanx for the round! [tup] At present, I’m imbibing just a wee bit – JD on the rocks – good ole Tennessee “sippin’ whiskey!” [swg]

Really liked those “Streamliner” Posts on the Congressional and Senator 4.0 job, fer sure, fer sure! [tup][tup][tup]

What [?] You mean I actually waded through all of that [?] Awwwwwwwright!

Note to pwolfe Pete Saw you lurking in the shadows on Sunday - time to come out, Mate! [swg]

Special thanx go to all of you for making Monday a Winnah! [tup][tup]


Later, Gents!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

hey Tom. nother beer. I still think this glass has a hole in it! and put it on my tab!
you know im really not as think as you drunk I am.

red P

[nickinwestwales]

Good heavens to Betsy-you turn your back on the place for a day or two & all hell breaks loose,couldn`t believe the state of the galley this morning-I am certain it didn`t look like that on saturday night.....................Are you sure ?...............No,really ??.....................oh dear....................
Right,well then,moving swiftly on:-
ftwNS-The man who gives it from the horses mouth-[#welcome]-you need a handle that doesn`t get edited out when spelt in full[swg]--how about:-- Driver 8,from the R.E.M song...?
DOUG-loved the nitty-gritty-good stuff mate[^]-weird profile on that Obs. car-presume you realise,AWK is, despite cheap spray job,Norwegian Blue (beautiful plumage................)
[4:-)]TOM,best try another one-and yourself of course,........Aah,good man, [tup][^][tup]
Right,here we go then,
[4:-)]TOM-nice shots of the `S`capades,ground level shots gave a real feeling of depth-
good track design as well,making the passing track common to both lines allows you to use the tunnell line as staging and indulge in basic timetable working--show the grandkids how to run a train without risk....................
About the gorge pix-You not only have the poles,but they are strung as well--have mercy....[bow]
AL ( & others)-sorry about the spam thing,too complicated to explain-I actually quite like the stuff
SIR THEODORE-thank you for kind words,I wish I could claim the credit-I merely pressed the button.......the combination of fussy,elegant and tiny steam engines against a lowering background should always make a good picture..( It say`s here)
BAR CHANDLER ROB-nice job on the pix mate,[tup]-particulaly enjoyed the "Bayview Jn from a distance" shot-all the other pix I`ve seen have been trackside-nice to see the place in it`s wider context[^][tup]---N.B-will check status of remaining `Cats`and report back-forecast not good
WEST COAST DAVE-another[#welcome]home-pull up your stool & make yourself comfortable my friend,have a couple on me....RUSS-I see you there,come on over...Anyone seen WolfmanPete...???????????---or Boris,come to that--Right,looks like the grown ups might have to make a small bail bond in the morning,a small sacrifice,all things considered
sleep now,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin',

All's well with the world now that we've had our night cap from Chief Chef Nick [C=:-)] There's not a man-child this side of the Pecos who can string together more of a reason to belly up to the bar than Sir Nick himself! [yeah] Have one on me, ,Mate - and sorry about the kitchen. You know what they say about "when the cat's away ......." [swg]

Okay, what's with the red P ftwNSengineer NSE [?][?] That will require a bit of explaining, methinks ...... Ohhhhhhhhh, wait a minute - I got it! red P as in the red in your Penn Central herald! Duhhhhhhhhh. [swg] Okay - red P it is! [yeah]

Nick you have quite the eye for detail and I'm happy that you apprecaite the S Capades shots. I am hardly accomplished with the digital camera, but wiith some practice, perhaps I'll get to the point where I can figure out things like depth of field, etc. Until then, it's "automatic" settings, wait for the green light to stop blinking, and presto! [swg] I liked that ground level shot too. My favorites were the two from the Can-Am - those right-of-way pix "do it" every time. [tup]

Okay - time for Leon the Night Man and I'm outta here. Been quite the day and I appreciate one and all who made it so busy! [tup] Ring the bell Boris drinks on me!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon good to see you again. Set up a JD for nick and the boss if he's still lurking about.

Tom Glad we have sorted out a handle for red p You had me confused for a while ( easy to do this time of year [:O] ) I'm quite glad to chip in round here nice to know that I'm part of the furnature,don't think I'm as high maintenance as you think though <sheesh>. BTW was the gremlin named Tom or Boris [:-^][?]


Al Glad you liked 6060. I rode behind it once before she moved out west.She is a beautifull piece of machinery,in 2003 three she was down for a complete boiler and fire box rebuild,new tubes and new firebox liner. I have a vhs tape round her that Heather bought herself me last summer. it chronicals the rebuild and her first run in late 2004 on what was CP's stettler subdivision ( shortline run now ) Full train 10 coaches some heavy weights some ex-commuter all owned by the Praire dog steam group in Alberta. Even a couple of privatley owned cabooses were on the train,easily made 60-70 mph on the trip !

Your best to remeber 6218 as she was. The Fort Erie railway museum's star attraction isn't in too good of shape. The black paint is holding her together unfortunatly,cabs completly stripped really sad actually.[sigh]

Nick Good to see you mate. I do hope we have a cahnce to spend a bit of time at Bayview in May. That shot takes in the RBG( Royal Botanical Gardens ) grounds that the junction runs through. The water is Burlington Bay on Lake Ontario. I don't normally take artsy shots but the light just seemed right that day.


red P This handle works for me as long as you approve.I too have been singed on occation on the various forum sites. I figure you have to take it from where it comes from. Like Tom I have no time for ( or respect for ) rude people,not enough time in the day. I figure that you are right no one can know everything and someone who thinks he does is well not of this world.

Good advice that you gave that young guy. Honesty about what he was getting into was the best policy,I assume you folks got a good conductor out of it so it's liley a win/ win. I just volenteer at the museum and running and maintaining the streetcars and interurbans certainly shows you the gritty as oposed to the glory side of railroading in general.

Russ Long time no see, glad that you were able to break away from school for a bit. Hope to see some Russ shots next week as well. [tup]

Dave Thanks for the round, you are right good ole [alien] boy will never quite get the whole tact and appropriate behaviour thing down. At least H&H and their kin got him to eat with utensils over thanksgiving ( shovel and small camp axe ) [:O][sigh]

Well folks have a good evening.

Rob

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom, cool logo red P

Ted, Al, Nick, Rob: You don't type a post that I don't read. Most of it goes over my head of course. But that's okay I don't need to know everything. What's important is that I can see you're good people. Thanks for letting me hang out here.
Also don't forget CM3, Doug, Russell, Dave, Dan, Pete and oh gosh, who else? That's the danger of trying to be comprehensive. Incomprehensible. Does this thing come with spell-check, grammar check, etc? I know it's got paste & post but forget that because I killed too many brain cells getting too think once.

Did you know that Nov. 28 was the 80th anniversary of the Grand Ole Opry?
I went there once. April 12, 1970. I still have the ticket stub somewhere. Also saw Johnny Cash & June Carter at Carnegie Hall in 1996. Best $40 I ever spent.

Is there a topic here? Oh yeah, trains. Um...I like trains actually, especially fast ones.
1956 Timetables (Source 1957 World Almanac)

Burlington - Twin Zephers (2) -Prairie du Chein to La Cross 57.7 miles - 41 minutes - 84.4 mph
Burlington - Twin Zephers (2) - La Cross - Prairie du Chein - 57.7 - 42 - 82.4
Burlington - Empire Builder - Prairie du Chein - La Cross - 57.7 - 42 - 82.4
Illinois Central - City of Miami - Centralia - Effingham - 53.2 - 39 - 81.8
Illinois Central - City of New Orleans - Effingham - Centralia - 53.2 - 39 - 81.8
Santa Fe - Golden Gates (2) - Corcoran - Wasco - 37.9 - 28 - 81.2
Illinois Central - Panama Limited - Champaign - Matoon - 44.6 - 33 - 81.2
Milwaukee - Afternoon Hiawatha - New Lisbon - Portage - 43.1 - 32 - 80.8
Union Pacific - Challenger - Grand Island - North Platte - 137.2 - 102 - 80.7
Burlington - North Coast Limited - Prairie du Chein - La Cross 57.7 - 43 - 80.5

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Tuesday it is! Belly up to the bar, bozy! Grap a cuppa, have some fresh pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course, order a <light> breakfast (or three, if you are like barndad Doug! [swg]


Many a thing a man does is judged right or wrong according to the time and the place.


Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday is “Pike Perspectives Day.”
(2) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite and maybe something from Nick’s Picks!
(3) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(4) Saturday is ENCORE! Day
(5) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 01:47:58 (175) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 01:50:59 (175) Weekly Index

(3) daveklepper Dave Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 04:32:19 (175)

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 06:39:58 (175) Inclusive Post!

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 06:44:30 (175) Streamliner #16 – Senators

(6) passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 06:47:00 (176)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 08:04:41 (176) Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 08:43:22 (176)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 08:49:48 (176) Forum’s tips

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 12:17:21 (176) NOSTALGIA #32 – Ad – Pullman

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 13:23:11 (176) Inclusive Post!

(12) ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 14:10:32 (176)

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 14:21:41 (176) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 14:52:03 (176) PCentral letter

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 15:36:58 (176)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 15:59:48 (176) Acknowledgements, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:17:54 (176) CNR Classic Steam – The Roustabout

(18) West Coast S Dave Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:24:42 (176) SP Diesel Power, etc.

(19) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:37:04 (176)

(20) ftwNSengineer NSE Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 16:53:28 (176)

(21) West Coast S Dave Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 17:05:47 (176)

(22) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 18:51:20 (176)

(23) passengerfan Al Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 19:22:29 (176)

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 19:46:31 (176) Acknowledgments, etc.

(25) ftwNSengineer red P Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 19:54:38 (177)

(26) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 20:20:26 (177) Inclusive Post, etc.

(27) siberianmo Tom Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 21:47:47 (177) Acknowledgments, etc.

(28) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 28 Nov 2005, 22:43:57 (177) Inclusive Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

. . . . . ENCORE! A NOTE for all who Post here! . . . . .

Some of this may be repetitious, however, we have some new guys who may appreciate this info:

When you log in to this Forum (Classic Trains) and see the listings for the topics, you are NOT getting the most CURRENT Posts if you simply click on what you see.

Click on "Active Topics." Use the “Active Topics Since” option (near the top, at the middle) and click on “last 12 hours –or- last 6 hours” etc., and you will then get “refreshed” info.

Another way to ensure that you are reading the MOST CURRENT info, is once you have called up the last page shown for “Our” Place and BEFORE you decide to respond, use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option (usually located at the top bar of your screen). This will call up the MOST CURRENT info.

I cannot explain why the Forums operate this way, but they do. Since I am here more time than most, I see it happen several times a day where someone Posts, but does not respond to information that has been “out there” for an hour or more. Reason [?] Who knows! But one way to circumvent it is to use either of my “procedures” explained above.

For the guys who seemingly have repetitious problems with losing information before it gets Posted – use a word processor program to prepare your material. Cut ‘n paste it to the “message block” on the Thread. Should it get “lost” you always can retrieve it from your WP program. Simple enough, eh [?]

Finally, try to stick around for a couple of minutes AFTER you have Posted – then use the “REFRESH” or “RELOAD” option, just to see if someone has Posted during the time you were preparing yours.


None of this is difficult but will surely keep you “on target” if you are interested in such things. [tup]


Later!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[red p]

Well guys there is a reason I dont actaully sign my name to these post. I explained it to Tom.
Its because I do this for a living (and my ID identifies what terminal I work out of). I was told by a couple of old heads when I first hired out,if this is your hobby ,dont tell anyone about it, keep it to yourself. For some reason most railroaders hate train buffs (and there are some guys that search the internet for stuff like this to post all over the yard office, I have seen it). And it is said that the NS is the worst and thats who I work for.
I have seen how these guys treat buffs as thay call it. we have had some young guys come that have quit because of it. I know the whole thing is stupid but thats the way it is.
And I prefer not to subject myself to that. Im what they call a closet Buff,and there are quite a few of us around.
P

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a diet pastry.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 17

GOPHER GN Trains 19-20 BADGER GN Trains 23-24 April 26, 1952 St. Paul/Minneapolis to Duluth/Superior daily each direction 160 miles each way 3 hours 30 minutes each way.

The Great Northern introduced two six car semi streamlined trains to the above route on April 26, 1952. The consists carried the names of both trains BADGER and GOPHER on the rear of the Observation Cars.

The BADGER was the morning train operating as an all stops local in 3 hours 35 minutes each way over the 160 mile route.

The GOPHER was the late Afternoon -early Evening Trains operated over the same route with fewer stops in 3 Hours 30 minutes.

The BADGER and GOPHER operated with a Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car. Each consist of the GOPHER operated with a Baggage Express Car. this car did not operate in the BADGER.

The trains utilized six of the prewar EMPIRE BUILDER 58-Seat Luxury coaches with four remaining as built and two were converted to 44-seat coaches with a galley for train service attendant to serve passengers at their seats.

The last car in each consist was a Cafe Parlor Observation rebuilt by GN shops from heavyweight Coaches originally built as Parlor Cars and sold to the GN at the beginning of WW II for conversion to coaches.

The trains weree painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green scheme better known as the EMPIRE BUILDER scheme.

The power was interseting as one train was powered by by a single EMD E7a and the other was powered by an A-B set of EMD F7s initially.

CONSIST ONE

267A EMD F7A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

267B EMD F7B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

81 Heavyweight 30'Railway Post Office Baggage Car

271 Baggage Express Car

945 Galley 44-Revenue Seat Coach

948 58-Revenue Seat Coach

949 58-Revenue Seat Coach

1083 TWIN CITIES Buffet 10-Seat Dinette 26-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation (Square)

CONSIST TWO

508 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

87 30'Railway Post Office Baggage Car

276 Baggage Express Car

944 Galley 44-Revenue Seat Coach

946 58-Revenue Seat Coach

947 58-Revenue Seat Coach

1084 TWIN PORTS Buffet 10-Seat Dinette 26-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation (Square)

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Mornin' wanswheel Mike

I see you were at the bar just as Leon 'n Boris were closin' up the place. Hope they treated you well ...... [swg]

Ah, trains from the 1950s - and those speeds all above 80 mph. Not bad, eh [?] Of course the speeds of today, thanx to the myriads of rerstrictions, including a "ton" of additional grade crossings has really messed things up.

Don't sweat the small stuff - you are as "inclusive" as most and it is very much appreciated! [tup] This CAN become rather an obsessive way to spend the time - just a word of "caution!" [swg]

While I didn't know of the anniversary date for the Opry I can say that I have attended peformances at the old and new locations. As with you, time and money well spent for sure. The last one was in 1987 (I think) and it was a "special" show put on for the attendees of a conference that I attended at Opryland It was a non-stop, nearly 3 hours of wonderful enterainment. Can'[t begin to list 'em all, but the "headliners" of the day were all there. [tup][tup Check out our Juke - Herr Wurltizer you'll find all sorts of great tunes that will bring back some fine memories! [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Case in point - rather than checking out immediately after Posting - sticking around permitted me to "catch" passengerfan Al's latest Post!

Mornin' Al! You're up a bit early out there on the left coast, eh [?] Another Streamliner for us to enjoy! Thanx .... [tup][tup] The Great Northern will always be remembered, whether one traveled aboard those great looking trains or not. Fantastic livery - and of course, "Rocky the Goat" emblazoned on the freight cars has a place in RR lore fer sure, fer sure! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

And yet another "case in point" - now it's our friend, ftwNSengineer red P who has arrived!

Mornin' to ya! [tup] Really was no need to elaborate, my man, we all have our own preferences and respect the other guys for theirs.

So, now it's just P - in lieu of red P. Okay, we can "do" that! [swg]

Lookin' for some RR "stuff" from all ... let's keep 'er on track and talk some Classic Trains!

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

P, message understood and complied with henceforth. I can understand how vexing "Buffs" can be to professionals. Kinda like a college kid telling a brain surgeon how easy it really is.[(-D] Tom, I was going to have a "light" breakfast but since my refrigerator/freezer "took the count;" make it a Bloody Shame" please. Oh, did I mention the Verizon power glitch that knocked me off-line this A.M.?[8] On the bright side, a cold front is moving through and the weather is rotten.[xx(] Actually, I found a good buy on a new unit from Sears, of all places.[^] I'm in a bit of a rush, the cleaning lady is due at 10:30 this morning and I need to do some "picking up" so she can at least Hoover the place.

Al, do have you any tentative arrangemnets for a publishing date? I can't be the only one "chomping-at-the-bit" for your Tome on passenger "varnish." Rob, I don't wi***o seem impatient or let my "N.Y." show to excess but have you had any luck with those C.D.s lately? As lack luster as they are, they still might get a few belly laughs from our peers, don'tcha think? Nick, no matter how greulling the day, your posts, like your menus, "save the day."[tup] Westcoast S DAve, really great to have you back "in the swim." Fine stuff on the EMD E-8s problem with "thin air." Yes, the turbo Alco P's were awesome power for the moutain divisions. They really looked and sounded like "the real thing."[^] Doug, still no luck on finding the Road associated with the photo of the Observ. car on this end...any ideas? Russell, me uncle verifies the crummy weather in K.C. recently. As a kid, I remember freezing me tush on those bitter cold St, Louis street cars that the doors leaked like a sieve...Brrrr! The heaters never came up to snuff and we were greatful to have a "SRO" crowd going to school. Hi again Mike, looks like IC and Burlington dominated the speed market. Hey, when the the terrain is flater than p--s-on-a-plate, you might expect high indexes, right?[:D]

I don't want to go but I can't stay here.[V] There is too much hazaardous waste to dispose of from the premisis.[xx(] I'll get back atcha a.s.a.p.! Boris, as Count Basie would say: "One more Time." Gadfrey, he put CM3's quarters in the Wurlitzer![alien] [:(!] See you soon.

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #33

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Roomettes Now Available On . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . The “WINNIPEGGER”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

ST. PAUL – MINNEAPOLIS – and WINNIPEG

For the Best Meals on Wheels and Complete Beverage Service

. . . . . . . . . . In the Soo Line Dining-Club Lounge Car . . . . . . . . . .

Roomettes, Bedrooms, Bedroom Suites and Open Sections.

. . . . . . . . . . Clean Comfortable Coaches . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Restful Individual Reclining Seats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . All Equipment Air-conditioned. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

NORTHBOUND. . . . .(Daily – Central Standard Time). . . . .SOUTHBOUND

Lve. ST. PAUL . . . . . . . . . . 7 45 PM . . . . . . . Lve. WINNIPEG . . . . . . . . . . 7 10 PM
Lve. MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . . 8 40 PM . . . . . . . Lve. THIEF RIVER FALLS . . 11 25 PM
Arr. THIEF RIVER FALLS . . 3 55 AM . . . . . . . Arr. MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . . . . 7 15 AM
Arr. WINNIPEG . . . . . . . . . . 8 15 AM . . . . . . . Arr. ST. PAUL . . . . . . . . . . . 8 00 AM

The Milwaukee Rd. Hiawatha leaving Chicago 100 p.m., arriving St. Paul 7 15 p.m, Minneapolis 7 45 p.m., and C.B.&Q. No. 25 leaving Chicago 11 30 a.m., arriving St. Paul 6 15 p.m., connect with the Soo Line Winnipeger for Winnipeg and Western Canada.

Southbound “Winnipeger” makes convenient connections with morning “Hiawatha” and “Zephyr” and other important early morning trains from St. Paul to points East and South.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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[BudKarr]

Good Day Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

It has been a glorious late November for me. Alberta at this time of year is a wonderful experience and from what I have been reading, this would definitely be your kind of place, Captain Tom. We are situated in an area where there are mountain peaks all around, a rather fast running river, a town of moderate size and a double track main line of railroad track nearby. The old depot is long gone as an operational structure and was moved long ago to another location by the preservationists.

I must offer that much of what I have to say is may appear to be shrouded in mystery. This being cyber space, or the Ether as some refer to it, I prefer to keep some things private and away from those who have no business knowing all. I would hope no offense will be taken by that comment.

We managed to travel into Vancouver from Jasper aboard the train Via Rail calls the “Canadian.” I believe it was a 12 car train, one baggage, 2 coaches, skyline dome, diner, 6 bedrooms and the park car dome at the rear. Two F40 units powered it. Same arrangement, more or less, on the return.

As with you, Captain Tom, we spent our time up in the rear dome, taking in the sights and enjoying the amenities. The dining car menu was splendid as were the surroundings. I prefer privacy and would have liked a table for two, not so of course, as the tables accommodate four. I did note that the majority of the people were not courteous with regard to the manner in which they were seated at the tables. Once upon a time, if I recollect properly, a couple would share the same side of the table rather than sitting across from one another thereby allowing the other twosome a seat at the window. I expected the dining car attendants to take care of that, they did not. Just an observation from one who really is not an accomplished rail traveler, but I have done my share I suppose.

As a rather large person, the double bedroom arrangements were a bit cramped but more than adequate for the one night each way. There was only one drawing room suite, located in the park car, and it was booked both ways. Our attendant told us that for the cross Canada voyage, those units book almost a year out. I think Captain Tom has mentioned that in these pages and pages of on point information.

Being aboard Via Rail again was a nice experience. I found the crew to be friendly, professional and courteous. Brought back some memories of the Canadian Pacific and my trip from Winnipeg to Vancouver some decades back. No matter, the Canadian Rockies and the trip to the sea is a wonderful way to pass the time. Highly recommended. The return to Jasper was quite nice as well, and we were fortunate to have good visibility for the morning run past Mount Robson, highest peak in the Canadian Rockies. I did recall Captain Tom’s advice regarding when to be in the dome, so we took full advantage of the allotted time and managed to find seats for the panorama unfolding before us. Once into Jasper, well it is all downhill from there (my funny for the day).

Vancouver is one of my favorite cities and a treat to explore. Our time there was fleeting and before we realized it, we were back at the Pacific Central Station, waiting to board our gleaming streamliner. I should add that the rail trip took me by surprise, did not expect it at all and I was informed it was an early Christmas gift. Nice.

Sorry Gentlemen, we did not think to take a camera with us. Once again illustrating my point about not being an accomplished rail traveler!

My time with you is somewhat restricted as there does not always seem to be a connection available. I apologize for not being up to speed with all that has transpired since my last visit. From the looks of things, it has been rather busy with all kinds of new faces and things to read.

There is an email en route, Captain Tom and I thank you for yours.

Until the next time.

BK

[wanswheel]

Afternoon Tom and guys

Just reading BK and I'm so jealous, sounds like great scenery up there.
I too have reservations about personal stuff on the Internet so my "profile" is vacant for now (there's not that much to me anyway). But I hope to exchange e-mails with Al to ask a question about a specific. There's no space to type much in the initial e-mail so whatever I put is a brief goof to get a reply so as to avail the big white page of aol e-mail. It's not urgent in any way.

Tom the Ryman Auditoreum with the church pews is what I saw. Growing up on Long Island I didn't get to hear that grits-kicking twang of steel guitar etc on the local radio so it was all new to me when I heard it on the juke box at Ft. Gorden soon after I got drafted for Vietnam war. And over there, the occasional USO show at the club at Camp McDermott would often be country-western. The rock'n'roll artists didn't visit much but the Nashville types did. And Mr. Bob Hope of course. Dec. 28, 1967 at Cam Ranh Bay. I'll never forget the truly spiritual experience of being in a choir of thousands singing "Silent Night."
Johnny Bench was there that day, incidentally.

The older I get the better able I am to identify with my father, who was about my age now in the early years of Amtrak. If any of you guys have the December 2000 issue of Trains, please check out his writing on page 58. That's probably why I'm here anyway. My electro motive is to blow some steam for my Dad, who ended up on the board of Amtrak as a "consumer representative". 4 years of that took a toll on his health. I like to think he died in service to his country.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

What appears to be a pattern 'round here is slow starts, big finishes at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" [swg] The idea, if we can ever get this solidified, is to space out the Posts so that we always have something "up" on the Forum page. Especially during those times when yours truly isn't around to "watch the store."

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 29 Nov 2005, 08:51:24

There's a mighty chill in the air, flurries flyin' and it seems a bit like winter's not far off. Juneau loves it and so do I. [tup]

Good luck, and I mean that, with your Sears fridge. We had to replace our replacement, just this year - 3 year old unit - and what a nightmare that turned out to be. Took them nearly 4 weeks to finally decide to replace the unit, all the while we were "living" with a mini-fridge that we had purchased the last time the blasted thing failed us. The extended warranty covered the replacement, but I'm still waiting for reimbursement on the spoiled food (happened in August!).

I would chalk it up to an isolated incident, however, we've also had terrible luck with other appliances - upright freezer, dishwasher and washing machine - all carrying the blessed Kenmore name (but we KNOW they are really "Whirlpool," wink, wink, nudge, nudge!) [yeah] Right! Anyway, no more for us. I've been purchasing their appiances since Moby *** was a Minnow, but no more (first was in 1961). The adage is true - they just don't make 'em like they used to; or better yet - they aren't made to last.

[yeah] Boris [#offtopic] ring it and give 'em what they want! <geesh>

BudKarr Posted: 29 Nov 2005, 12:37:19

Was hoping we'd get a "blurb" from you. That's two "wishes" in a row - yesterday it was West Coast S Dave and now BK! Awwwwright!

Saw your Post over on the "other" thread and appreciate your taking the time to stop by. [yeah} It's pretty much a one-way "thing," just like so many of the threads. However, it does give those who may not enjoy the bar 'n grill atmosphere, to talk Classic Passenger Trains.

You mentioned on the "other" thread that you think the F40PH's detract from the asthetics of the streamliner, "Canadian." I concur. As you stated, they are fine power units, but that's where it ends, they just don't have the "look." You, Sir, have had the opportunity of traveling aboard "The Canadian" when CP Rail operated it. While the cars were the same, the routing and most probably the amenties and service were indeed 'different.'

Vancouver is a great place, and there's little doubt that we could enjoy ourselves there for the long run. The next trip we take we are going to rent a car and spend time up north. We've pretty much "been there, done that" as far as downtown is concerned - three visits of three nights each pretty much covered it. First time was by air from Toronto - the other two by rail from the same place. I had visited there back in the 80's in connection with the "business" I was in while running things down in the LA/Long Beach area. More by Email ..........

Hope you are able to connect with us again and that your time away continues to be relaxing, rewarding and fun.

wanswheel Mike Posted: 29 Nov 2005, 13:51:27

Good to see you again, Mate! [yeah] I remember the Church pews! Funny, the music we used to call "Country 'n Western" sure has had quite a change from those times. Not to mention the somewhat ridiculous outfits worn by the performers. Where in the world did those oversize hats ever get their start [?] The gals look like Playboy Bunnies and the guys hardly resemble the Willie Nelson's that I grew up with! [swg]

Bob Hope, Johnny Bench and a host of others were truly giving people when it came to the support for our troops. The list is mind boggling, as were some of those gals Mr. Hope brought along on his tours! [}:)][:-,]

Have a suggestion - why not reprint the article your father wrote for us [?] I'm sure we'd all find it every bit as interesting as you've made it sound.


Okay - aside from seeing pwolfe Pete peeking in and out - don't see anyone else 'round lately - oh yes, I did see passengerfan Al doing his "Phantom Browse" too! [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon: Coffee, please; round for the house and a sack of quarters for the jukebox.

We have returned from NYC-land. Lots of snow and wind, depending on where you were. I'm going to take some time and read up on what's been going on.

work safe

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

A pint of Bathams and a round for all the great posts and photos while I've been away.
I have not posted as I wanted to read all the posts.They have been excellent thanks ALL [tup][tup][tup].

Thanks RUSSELL for answering MIKE's query on Stephenson. It is amazing that a descendant of Richard Trevithick lives close to NICK. I believe the Trevithick's Pen-y-Darren loco of 1804 was his third engine. The one before was called Catch-Who Catch-Can which ran on a circular piece of track near the site of the now Euston station in London it ran behind a tall wooden fence and the public paid to see it. There is a replica of the Pen-y-Darren loco, it was working at York at the Steam 200th exhibition in 2004.There is much banging and clanking when it is in motion what it must have seemed like to the people at the time who had seen nothing like it I cant imagine.

ROB Thanks for the Fallen Mags articles. The men who did the hard and sometimes dangerous work on the tracks and structures on the railways are not always given the credit they deserved. The Motor cars are known as Wickham cars in the U.K. after the company who built most of them.

Reading the posts reminded me of another thing that as disappeared from the rail scene. That is the WHEELTAPPER I can recall that in the late 50s travelling by train, while stopped in Crewe station, the wheeltapper checking the cars tires with his long-handled hammer knowing by the sound of the wheel if there was a problem.Did they have wheeltappers over here [?].

Hi NICK Good photos[tup] Where is the Funicular for the slate wagons[?] I have been in that area and must have missed it.[:I]

Thanks again for the posts ,photos and nostalgia and Tom is it just me or is there something special about railroads real or model when there is a dusting of snow on them [tup][yeah] PETE.