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SANTA FE 2-10-4 HEAVY SANTA FE QUESTION

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SANTA FE 2-10-4 HEAVY SANTA FE QUESTION
Posted by SPer on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:37 PM

Did any Santa Fe 2-10-4 Heavy Santa Fe types ran to California such as Los Angeles.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 11, 2022 12:11 AM

Pretty certain they did, including Tehachapi (Sp?).

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, August 12, 2022 4:38 PM

2-10-4 are Texas

2-10-2 are Santa Fes

Which do you mean?

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Posted by SPer on Friday, August 12, 2022 5:32 PM

Not on the Santa Fe the 4-8-4s are called Heavy Mountain, 4-6-4s are called Heavy Pacific,2-10-4s are called Heavy Santa Fe, and 2-8-4s are called Heavy Mikado according to the blueprints. Santa Fe never called any of their steam locomtives Northern,Hudson,Berkshire and Texas

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:35 PM

It was my understanding that only the as-built 3751 class, possibly only the original locomotive, was a 'heavy Mountain' or 'Mountain four-wheel trailer' on blueprints.  The ATSF historical society itself has references to the 3776 class being called 'heavy Mountains', but a quick perusal of actual diagrams has them only as what I remember, "3776 class"

https://img.kansasmemory.org/00308511.jpg

Perhaps the actual blueprints for the 'big three' have the 'heavy xxx' notation on them somewhere -- I suspect the New Mexicans who rebuilt 2926 could resolve that for the 2900 class in very short order!

Likewise the only 'heavy Santa Fe' would have been the 3829 of 1919 -- note that it ran as converted into the Fifties, but no other 2-10-2s were so converted, either in the ensuing decade or after.

The 5000 was purpose-built from Baldwin in 1930, and the 5001/5011 classes were nearly as far from any version of a 'classical' 2-10-2 as you could get.  I don't know enough about Madam Queen to know if there are notations on her builder's blueprints like those for 3751, but the drawings I've seen for the 74"-drivered 2-10-4s go by class number, not a silly name.

I simply cannot imagine anyone calling a 3460 class a 'Pacific' anything.

I would agree, though, that no one at ATSF called the 'big three' by any name like Northern, Texas, or Hudson/Baltic.

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