https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQYBXPb74ok
"It Was Sad When That Great Ship Went Down."
I detect the fine hand of Mike again!
Strange, but no-one has any idea of who wrote that Titanic song, it just seemed to appear out of nowhere within weeks of the disaster. Children were heard singing it on the streets, and the reaction was "How did kids come up with something like that?"
Kind of like " The Worms Crawl In, The Worms Crawl Out" song, but we should save that one for Halloween!
Oh, and the liner Teutonic mentioned in Lawrence Beesley's account of the near collision? That's the ship John Phillip Sousa was returning from Europe on when he composed "The Stars And Stripes Forever!" Sousa said the march just popped into his head, he set it to paper, and never changed a note afterward.
But we'll save that one for Independence Day!
SS New York and the Titanic
Thanks! And a recent posting on the Brooklyn Elevated thread refers to the Titanic - Ciry of New York (the ship) "confrontation" at Souhhampton.
daveklepper Here is a most unusual picture, and I will leave it to Peter to tell us all about it:
Here is a most unusual picture, and I will leave it to Peter to tell us all about it:
The Boyne Viaduct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyne_Viaduct
Years ago I was travelling on a Eurailpass which didn't apply in Northern Ireland so I got off The Enterprise in Drogheda and caught the next train back. It was a cold wet winter day but I could see the bridge from the station.
Peter
A covered bridge! I'll bet it's still there!
daveklepper ... a most unusual picture, and I will leave it to Peter to tell us all about it:
Reminded me rather promptly of this:
One of the more spectacular ideas in early railroad engineering ... until you have to run locomotives that don't "consume their own smoke". Then the tubes get progressively latticed out...
A covered bridge
That is unusual. I magnified the picture until I started losing resolution and I'm not sure what that structure is. It's either a bridge built like nobodys business or a run-through engine servicing facility.
Here is a mosr unusual picture, and I will leave it to Peter to tell us all about it:
Flintlock76It's also pretty apparant that Father Browne wasn't bothered by trackside poles or overhead wires...
Those poles with so many cross arms is the second most interesting subject in the photo.
That photo conjures up a lot of impressions. A warm summer day. The countryside. Lazy clouds. Just bowling along as fast or as slow as steam wants to carry you.
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
Nice cropping job David!
It's also pretty apparant that Father Browne wasn't bothered by trackside poles or overhead wires, the things that used to drive American railfan photographers nuts.
In the American rail scene today those poles and wires are as much a part of the past as steam engines themselves.
When I first posted the Enterprise photo, I noticed a small tear in the upper right corner that was disfiguring. With lack of time, I '''corrrected" by cropping the top a tiny bit. I've gone back and repaired the tear on the original and corrected the first posting and repeating that here. Peter may wish to use the corrected correction also.
Thanks, and please post some pistures important to you, your own or those of Father Frank Browne SJ. Thanks.
daveklepper Here are two of my favorites, the bottom the "Enterprise" Dublin - Belfast, Irish steam expresses.
Here are two of my favorites, the bottom the "Enterprise" Dublin - Belfast, Irish steam expresses.
While the present day Enterprise runs between Belfast and Dublin, in the 1950s it ran right through from Belfast to Cork via Dublin, as indicated by the curved nameplate on the locomotive smokebox.
The locomotive, CIE 402 was generally recognised as the best of its class, hence it was used on the premier train of the day. It had 28" stroke cylinders, while most of the conversions from four cylinders retained the original 26" stroke.
The train was worked from Belfast to Dublin by the large 4-4-0s of the Great Northern Railway of Ireland, so this photo is between Dublin and Cork in the 1950s.
So the train ran the full length of Ireland from Belfast in Northern Ireland to Cork in the south of the Republic. Cork was where the Titanic called in to drop Father Browne off.
I don't think I've ever seen the nameplate for the Northbound train which presumably read "Cork-Dublin-Belfast". The plates were carried on both the CIE and GNRI locomotives.
This train was converted to diesel operation in the late 1950s using the AEC railcars of the GNRI, generally similar to the CIE cars illustrated earlier in this thread, with a trailer buffet car for refreshments.
Here are two of my favorites, the top the Dublin - Cork train, the bottom the "EnterpriseP Dublin - Belfast - Cork, Irish steam expresses.
Another idea: You who have copied some of the pictures into your hard-drive and/or USB device, tell us which one or two pictures mean most to you and why and post them on this thread. Eventually, there will me material for book that will go beyond just the pictures. Some current views of the locations might also be of great interest.
All the above makes sense. Possibly the best course is simply to suggest to the Davison Brothers that the book would be a winner and that others on this Forum and I would be happy to help in any way, including some possible corrections.
Overmod daveklepper I would like to see Father Frank Browne SJ'a trains photos presented in an orderly manner in a printable PDF ... I'm ASSuming (as you were the one forwarding the e-mail) that you have secured the necessary full written permissions from Davison for rights and use of the material. It seems to me that they would be the appropriate source both to put together and to host the resulting files. The work then becomes ordering the pictures to go in the 'collections' in order referenced by their existing site URLs -- and providing any 'corrected' versions of the images to the Davison site webmasters or whoever for inclusion. Then sending appropriately indexed files with the updated information to be appended via metadata... with their understanding on how to format it, use it, and allocate any rights to the associated novel intellectual-property content.
daveklepper I would like to see Father Frank Browne SJ'a trains photos presented in an orderly manner in a printable PDF ...
I'm ASSuming (as you were the one forwarding the e-mail) that you have secured the necessary full written permissions from Davison for rights and use of the material. It seems to me that they would be the appropriate source both to put together and to host the resulting files.
The work then becomes ordering the pictures to go in the 'collections' in order referenced by their existing site URLs -- and providing any 'corrected' versions of the images to the Davison site webmasters or whoever for inclusion. Then sending appropriately indexed files with the updated information to be appended via metadata... with their understanding on how to format it, use it, and allocate any rights to the associated novel intellectual-property content.
Would all of those permissions be required for what is essentially private non commercial use?
More significantly, there appear to be numerous errors in the captions as reproduced on the website. The photo of the 4-4-0 I identified as an NCC U2 class (an inside cylinder 4-4-0) was identified as a GSR 400 series, (an outside cylinder 4-6-0). This leads me to believe that at least some of the captions were written after the photos were recovered, and not by the photographer.
daveklepperI would like to see Father Frank Browne SJ'a trains photos presented in an orderly manner in a printable PDF ...
I would like to see Father Frank Browne SJ'a trains photos presented in an orderly manner in a printable pdf, much as what we download for free on this website and what I have done for distribution to friends and those requesting from Jack May's many trip reports. Brian Solomon has the knowledge and skill to do this by himself.
If I were to do it, I'd need a collaborator (or collaborators) to put the pix in logical order, show the location each photo on a map of the oveall Irish railway system(s) and add any necessary comment to the good father's comment for each photograph.
Anyone wanting one or more of the Jack May trip pdfs can request at
daveklepper@yahoo.com
If you want all, it may take several days. Otherwise, Eastern Eureope? UK? USA Streetcar?
Flintlock, thanks for responding and your comments. Pretty certain Father Browne, SJ, used Plus-X Panchromatic or its equivalent with a red filter.
M636C AEG is a German electrical company that translates as "General Electric Company" although it was not associated with GE.
Similar to how ASEA (now the "A" in ABB) translates into General Swedish Electric Company, though the Swedish word for Company is usually abreviated as "AB".
Overmod M636C No, I believe the diesel engines were upright. They were mounted under the floor but at the outer edge of the floor just inboard of the body side. I think they were standard AEC Bus engines of 9.6 litres and 125 HP.
M636C No, I believe the diesel engines were upright. They were mounted under the floor but at the outer edge of the floor just inboard of the body side. I think they were standard AEC Bus engines of 9.6 litres and 125 HP.
daveklepper In general. I wish to correct Father Frank Browne JG's images only to correct fading due to age or other specific imperfections like tears or holes or dirt. But there is one exception: The photo from the website: The modification I would like: Can you understand why? I think if the good Father were still alive, I could convince him that a black daytine sky is a real forboding of doom, and I would not like to be resonsible for publishing such an image. But the picture is a great one. Does my modification loose any of its greatness? Comments requested.
In general. I wish to correct Father Frank Browne JG's images only to correct fading due to age or other specific imperfections like tears or holes or dirt. But there is one exception:
The photo from the website:
The modification I would like:
Can you understand why? I think if the good Father were still alive, I could convince him that a black daytine sky is a real forboding of doom, and I would not like to be resonsible for publishing such an image. But the picture is a great one. Does my modification loose any of its greatness? Comments requested.
This is tough, I'm not sure what to think, I may do a bit of thinking out loud, so bear with me.
Photo One, the more "contrasty" of the two. The first things my eyes are drawn to are the clouds, with the dark sky they really "pop" out at you. Photo Two, my eyes are drawn to the locomotive, everything else is secondary.
As a railfan I should choose #2, since I could care less about clouds. But #1's a bit more "artsy," for lack of a better term.
Honestly I like them both! I'd have to flip a coin if I had to choose one!
I do wonder what Father Brown used when he took the shot. Panchromatic or orthochromatic film? They were both available at the time. A yellow or red filter, or just a plain lens? Film and lens options in black and white photography will affect the finished product.
Anyway, thanks for that color shot M636C, that's a beautiful engine!
M636CNo, I believe the diesel engines were upright. They were mounted under the floor but at the outer edge of the floor just inboard of the body side. I think they were standard AEC Bus engines of 9.6 litres and 125 HP.
These were MEDs, right? If I remember correctly these were re-engined to have the two AEG engines and this might explain why they would be upright and not flat. There is also a later class (from 1957) that had two AEG (and later slightly more powerful Rolls-Royce) engines.
daveklepper I stand corrected. Thank you. Is your photo of the two cars also the one in Father Frank Browne SJ Collection? Or did you obtain it elsewhere and where? And I gather the diesel was a flat design under the floor?
I stand corrected. Thank you. Is your photo of the two cars also the one in Father Frank Browne SJ Collection? Or did you obtain it elsewhere and where? And I gather the diesel was a flat design under the floor?
Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!
Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter