MidlandMike Were those boats coming from Sandusky, or were they coming from places like Cleveland, or maybe other places?
Were those boats coming from Sandusky, or were they coming from places like Cleveland, or maybe other places?
Cleveland to Cedar Point was a very popular run for the lake steamers.
Of course Detroit, Toledo, Buffalo and other points sent a lot of tourist traffic to Cedar Point by lake steamer.
I couldn't find a good pic of a steamer docked at the Euclid Beach Park pier, this is in fact the ONLY one I found:
So here's Glenn Curtiss flying over it.
And 2 Humphreys in a row boat.
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
Cleveland Ferries also called on Port Dover and the Bessemer & Lake Erie ran coal hoppers across Erie to Port Dover CNR and of course my all time favourite the Ferry between Ashtabula and Port Burwell.
There is still some kind of summer service to Port Stanley. Heck of a summer spot!
A six hour car ride vs. a 40 minute to hour and half by boat across the mysterious Lake Erie. None of it should have disappeared but much is lost.
Somewhere around here I have a brochure from the Aquarama which plied the waves from the late '50s until September, 1962. I recall seeing it docked at the E. 9th St. Pier in Cleveland, when I was aged five or six.
Until I find it this YouTube video will have to do —
(You may want to turn the "soundtrack" down a bit. I did.)
Also —
https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/766
Follow the Flickr link here and see the brochure that this contributor has in an album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34370769@N07/albums/72157623040787976
Aquarama postcard by John Rochon, on Flickr
Cheers, Ed
Well they sure tried with Aquarama. A very sad loss.
Some more goodies:
1) July 13, 1955. No.1 The Super Continental at Armstrong, Ontario. Diesel A&B broke down and 6259 was hurried into service. Shop workers all over it! To the rescue! Can't hold up No. 1.
2) An odd doubleheader. NYC FM 4517 and a Hudson haul at passenger consist. No date given but the location is Jackson, Michigan.
3) In busier and more prosperous days, here is The Ambassador for Montreal headed by 4-8-2 4117 nicknamed 'Hercules'. Long train!
Boston North Station, Aug. 1947
4) A Penny/Flintlock Special. The Erie in Cleveland in 1948. Big power, lots of bridges.
5) Great Northern Z Class. Yuge!
6) N&W Jawn Henry .. nice pic! It's Yuge too!
Miningman6) N&W Jawn Henry .. nice pic! It's Yuge too
I cannot beLIEVE you missed it! It's the simple-expansion 2-8-8-2 that was Yuge. The turbine, on the other hand, was TE-rrific and Number One!
I liked the pic and it was a follow up to the GN Z class. All articulated locos are Yuge. Maybe we should save Yuge exclusively for the Y class.
The TE-1 is not a slacker in the Yuge dept. Suppose in coal turbines it was TErrific and No. 1 . Better if they ordered the 40 or 50 as was recommended.
The basic idea of this thread is just to maybe have a discussion if what's shown is deemed of interest. Then we can get into all the technical details with peoples in the know.
Maybe it's a lame-o concept. If so just consider it an expanded picture of the day and hope it's an image you like or haven't seen previously.
Aside---Distance on line learning off to a rocky start.., the product is good, the students are missing!! New phenomenon called 'No Surrender Bender" going on.
As Winston Churchill stated " If you're going thru hell, keep going"
Woo-hoo! One o' them big, gutsy Erie Pacifics! The Erie never bought any Hudsons or Northerns, they didn't think they needed them and for the most part, they were right. They didn't save any of them, woe worth the day!
"If you're going through hell, keep going!" Good old Winston!
And I wish I knew who came up with this one:
"Before you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, you have to walk through the darkness."
Overmod The turbine, on the other hand, was TE-rrific and Number One!
OY!
Too bad this is silent:
Poor old Jawn Henry. Incredibly powerful, but "buggy." The bugs could have been worked out of it, but the N&W couldn't interest any other 'roads in the concept, and at the end of the day it didn't do the job appreciably better than a Y6b did, so there was no point in persuing it.
And of course, everyone knew the "dismals" were coming anyway, it was just a matter of time.
Flintlock76Poor old Jawn Henry. Incredibly powerful, but "buggy." The bugs could have been worked out of it...
It could be argued that if Westinghouse hadn't dropped one of the generators during production and subsequently failed to 'make the damage good' the design might have been more of a success. In Louis Newton's coverage ("Tale of a Turbine") he repeatedly mentions this as a source of major issues.
4500 nominal HP is ridiculously small for a locomotive intended for relatively slow-speed coal traffic; conversely, it's inadequate to reach the nominal 65mph speed for 'merchandise time freight' that Baldwin sold N&W on. (Again Newton has some comments, acerbic at times, on the honesty involved with that claim.)
The real 'nail in the coffin' as far as I'm concerned was that N&W managed to damage a significant number of the hexapole motors just in the very short period of testing that found the locomotive inadequate compared to even the range of contemporary steam alternatives. It takes a LOT of trying to kill one of those things. For comparison this is no more motors, and no more available input power, than an ABA set of contemporary RF16s; while there was certainly much to complain about regarding the reliability of those locomotives, their traction motors (and much else in their electrical gear) would be generally 'above reproach'.
Diseasels were certainly not a 'done deal' even in the days Baldwin developed the Essl 'alternative to a 4-8-4' -- properly 6000hp in a reasonable-length carbody with high-speed 'electric locomotive' underframe -- before WWII. It could be -- and has been -- argued that had there been no war, and no actions to recover from it without depression like 1920-21, steam might have remained more tenable as a motive-power 'choice' longer, and conversely that effective progression to second-generation horsepower and reliability taken longer to reach. Personally I find the practical advantages of internal-combustion power, net of practical financing considerations for capitalist railroads, pretty reasonable and pretty compelling even at first-generation levels. (See the Big Little Railroad discussion of why first-generation engines of considerable power were used on commuter trains...)
Flintlock76They didn't save any of them, woe worth the day!
Although I keep hoping the Koreans did.
Overmod Flintlock76 They didn't save any of them, woe worth the day! Although I keep hoping the Koreans did.
Flintlock76 They didn't save any of them, woe worth the day!
Oh yeah. Hope springs eternal that K1 they sent to Korea is still over there waiting to be found, but so far there's been no luck for anyone who's gone looking.
1) Funky
2) Very Funky
3) Overwhelmingly Funky
Liked the overwhelminigly Funky a lot and decided to shed some light on it to see really what was what . Lots of coal, for sure!
2) is Xrotd 9213 or 9214 , one of two Dampfschneeschleuder (Steam snowplows) of the meter-gauge Rhaetische Bahnen in Switzerland. Usually based in Pontresina (near St. Moritz) they are still used from time to time to clear the line, although it's often used in excursion/photo-op trips as well. Built by SLM Winterthur around 1910, it gets meticulous care. A number of years ago one of the Swiss news organizations did a video about it, including a session with a 26-year-old "Heizer" (fireman), who explained the machinery (Uf breitste Buenderdutsch) like he was describing his girlfriend. It's often used in tandem with the "Bernina Krokodil" 182, a shortened (Bo'Bo'), 3000VDC version of the Co'Co' RhB Krokodil units that LGB modelled so well a number of years ago.
Number Three? Wow, talk about when Old King Coal was secure on his throne!
Sic transit gloria mundi.
I thought #2 could be Swiss, but, I have no idea why I thought that!
Penny Trains I thought #2 could be Swiss, but, I have no idea why I thought that!
Kinda weird and cheesy-lookin'?
Or maybe 'cause it's painted a chocolate brown?
Where is the NH electric? My guess is in its namesake city.
Number 1:
I much prefer the arrangement of the two electrics GE built for the B.A.&P. These had the porch with pants at the back of the locomotive and the cab looking like a more squared version of what was on the GP7 and GP9.
Yes, the Two EF-4s are just west of the New Haven passenger station heading southwest, bound for Bay Ridge.
Flintlock76 Penny Trains I thought #2 could be Swiss, but, I have no idea why I thought that! Kinda weird and cheesy-lookin'? Or maybe 'cause it's painted a chocolate brown?
I guess it just has an Alpine mojo.
Penny Trains Flintlock76 Penny Trains I thought #2 could be Swiss, but, I have no idea why I thought that! Kinda weird and cheesy-lookin'? Or maybe 'cause it's painted a chocolate brown? I guess it just has an Alpine mojo.
Speaking of Alpine mojo, ever see this example of bad Alpine juju?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUqaLtCuwI
xRotd 9213 im Einsatz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfKCglgIO98
and the NZZ video from 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxhDJVucFqE
Flintlock76Speaking of Alpine mojo, ever see this example of bad Alpine juju? Surprise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUqaLtCuwI
I can top(?) that!
Flintlock76 Penny Trains Flintlock76 Penny Trains I thought #2 could be Swiss, but, I have no idea why I thought that! Kinda weird and cheesy-lookin'? Or maybe 'cause it's painted a chocolate brown? I guess it just has an Alpine mojo. Speaking of Alpine mojo, ever see this example of bad Alpine juju? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUqaLtCuwI
Johnny
This is why snow bunnies should be staying right here with me.
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"Avalanche Sharks!!!" Now how did that one get past me?
Probably because I was obsessing about when the Sci-Fi Channel was going to re-run the updated "Moby Dick." You know, the one where the new, improved Moby Dick eats a helicopter, then a submarine, then a cruise ship...
And I thought "Megashark vs. Giant Octopus" was the limit!
And man, when I was growing up in North Jersey you weren't an official kid unless you'd seen "The Crawling Eye" and "The House On Haunted Hill" at least twice.
Thank you Channel 9!
And "F Troop" may have been safer for Forrest Tucker Johnny, but I'm not so sure it was for Larry Storch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_BhX0UdAo
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