The Overland Limited 1915 Consists

[Miningman]

Wow. Quite the performance. Tremendous discipline and concentration. That's about as far from Boxcar Willie you'll ever get. 

I could not do it without breaking into laughter and descending into some 3 Stooges thing. Good thing there are folks far more serious than me.

Now I want a cigar and a nice Scotch.  

 

[Flintlock76]

Nicely done!  Do you suppose they know the Northern Pacific "Great Big Baked Potato Song?"

So "Crossing The Grand Sierras" was written by Henry Clay Work?  Interesting, but not as rousing as his classic "Marching Through Georgia!"     

[Overmod]

Miningman

Wow. Quite the performance. Tremendous discipline and concentration. That's about as far from Boxcar Willie you'll ever get.

Here's the version I was looking for, less music-geek art-song intense and more like you'd expect to hear regular folks sing it:

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[ZephyrOverland]

rcdrye

The tourist sleeper from St. Louis was probably handled in another train west of Ogden, unless CB&Q specifically listed it as operating in SP 1 and 2.  I'm pretty sure UP 21/22 were the "Pacific Limited" which had an SP counterpart 21/22 on a much slower schedule than the Overland.  The Pacific Limited was handled by the CM&StP east of Omaha instead of the C&NW, at least for some period after 1913.

The Dining car is listed with the San Francisco to Chicago equipment.  Even if the reference is to Oakland, that still covers the whole trip. The Oakland to Chicago reference covers the Observation and Club cars.  All of the sleepers except the observation were listed to San Francisco - a neat trick since the run ended at the Oakland Mole.

 

 

I’m going to assume that your comments refer to Southern Pacific’s Overland Limited consist listing.

The St. Louis Pullman and tourist sleeper in question operated westbound only via the Overland Limited and is specifically listed in the CB&Q section of the Official Guide, and includes the schedule for UP #21 and SP #1.  The eastbound St. Louis Pullman and Tourist car were handled on the Pacific Limited from San Francisco.

On the Union Pacific, the Pacific Limited was numbered 19 westbound and 20 eastbound.

Union Pacific #21 operated between Denver and Ogden via Borie.

If you look closely at South Pacific’s description, you can see the general listing pattern of the car lines: (equipment type) (destination) (operating railroads).

Parsing SP’s description results in the following:

Pullman Standard Sleepers: Berths, Sections, Drawing Room, Compartment San Francisco to Chicago, via S. P., U. P., C. & N. W.,

San Francisco and Denver via S. P., U. P.,

St. Louis to San Francisco via C. B. & Q., Denver, U. P. and S. P.

Dining Car: Meals a la Carte. Oakland and Chicago.

Drawing-room Compartment Pullman Observation Car: Library, stenographer, ladies’ maid, newspapers, magazines and periodicals. San Francisco to Chicago.

 

From this vantage point we can assume that the diner operated all the way, but why was it listed to Oakland and not to San Francisco? All of the consist listings for other westbound Overland Route trains (which included the Pacific Limited and San Francisco Limited) lists the dining car destination as San Francisco.  This may have been a misstatement or done for some other reason which is lost to history.   

[Lindsay_K]

Thank you. This was VERY helpful