Diolkos wagonway transported boats across the isthmus of Corinth in Greece around 600 BC . Men and animals pulled wheeled vehicles that ran in limestone grooves. It was used for about 650 years. I guess its possible Christ or his apostles would have used this "first railroad" .........Mike
Mike you got it!! Thx IGN
a really great question and answer. thanks to both of you.
OK here's one about people.
There was a very famous person-singer, actor, with alleged ties to the Gambino family. Who was also investigated by J Edger Hoover, but never convicted, of communist ties. He made a train movie in 1965.
Who is this man and what is the movie title?
Extra credit for naming the director AND the name of another train movie that he directed.....Mike
Hoover investigated him for being a communist !! Rgds IGN
Frank Sinatra in Von Ryan's Express
Mark Robson, director, later did Avalanche Express
Of course it is Frank Sinatra. His movie is Von Ryan's Express he was a Actor in it. But the only movie he was the director is None But the Brave.
Good job Shopsyardmaster!!
Another interesting bit....The jacket that Sinatra wore was the same one worn br Bob Crane in Hogans Heros
The floor is yours
Staying with entertainers--
Which 50's comedian/singer owned his own railcar, what was the name of the railcar, and it's current location?
ShopsYardMaster Staying with entertainers-- Which 50's comedian/singer owned his own railcar, what was the name of the railcar, and it's current location?
I've been coming up with a blank. Could we get a hint?
Jackie Gleason, Edna II, Nashville, Tenn.
My first thought was Gleason, too, but he was not a singer...a comedian who loved music enough to have concieved arrangements for Sammy Spear to actually put on paper and record for Capitol Records. Singer/ Comedian coming to mind most is Dean Martin which would lead one to believe he'd name a car "Dino" but I don't remember any references to a proclivity for railroading or a private car...but come to think of it, there was this movie he did with Kim Novak that took place in and around a private railroad car....
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I'll give it to loopmaster. While Gleason was not technically a singer, he did a bit of it on his TV shows.
You're up loopmaster.
I don`t have a question to give, i just knew that jackie gleason loved to party on trains and had his own car.
Don't worry about asking the question, You just might have one that will stump us all. So go ahead and ask something. BTW Your answer was good, I looked all over the places I could think of and NEVER came up with Gleason .. Great answer......Mike
Interesting you should mention this. CSX promised us (The ACL & SAL HS) the movies they archived for the Jackie Gleason trips. We actually saw them stored here in JAX at the General Office Building and when we went back for another load of "stuff", including the movies,
poof
They had magically disappeared. Oh well...maybe they'll eventually surface when the person who took them no longer thinks the railroad is looking for them.
Gleason was afrain of flying and he loved Miami. SO when he took his show from NY to Miami he would charter a train for the whole entourage. He lived near Peekskill, NY and so named his production company Peekskill Productions...just a thought I remembered when riding through Peekskill on Amtrak train 233 last Monday. Whether or not he commuted by train from there, I tend to doubt..
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Who built the EDNA II, and from who did Jackie Gleason buy the car?
According to the Auto-Train pages at www.ThemeTrains.com (specifically http://www.themetrains.com/auto-train-consist-0002-business-car.htm), Auto-Train Business Car 2 was built by Budd in 1950 as Southern Pacific 9012 (a 10-6 sleeper). Then to Pickens Railroad, who converted it into a business car before selling it to comedian Jackie Gleason.
That is correct, it`s your question.
Thank you loopmaster.
How many train names (for regularly-scheduled US trains -- no specials, please!) included the word "Daylight"? I don't ask how many trains, because it is possible that the same train may have had several variations of the name in its history. (OK, that's a small hint, but just for the sake of clarity ...)
For extra credit, can you name any trains which did not have/use the Daylight name, but whose consist was (at least at some time) totally in the distinctive "Daylight" red, orange, and black color scheme?
Dragoman Thank you loopmaster. How many train names (for regularly-scheduled US trains -- no specials, please!) included the word "Daylight"? I don't ask how many trains, because it is possible that the same train may have had several variations of the name in its history. (OK, that's a small hint, but just for the sake of clarity ...) For extra credit, can you name any trains which did not have/use the Daylight name, but whose consist was (at least at some time) totally in the distinctive "Daylight" red, orange, and black color scheme?
"Daylight' color scheme--the Sunbeam and the Hustler, which ran between Dallas and Houston. I believe that the same equipment was used for both trains, except that the Hustler (the morning train) did not carry a parlor car. Incidentally, the Hustler did not hustle as fast as the Sunbeam did.
Johnny
Good start, Johnny, but you are missing a few -- including a couple of names that pre-date those you mention, and at least one on the other side of the country!
Also good on the Sunbeam and Hustler. Though I understand that the Hustler was -- albeit with more stops -- just the Sunbeam consist going in the other direction. So, would they have taken the parlor car off, just to let it wait for the other Sunbeam consist to come to town?
And, by the way, there is at least one other train I know of in this extra-credit category!
(You didn't think I'd make it that easy, did you?)
Dragoman How many train names (for regularly-scheduled US trains -- no specials, please!) included the word "Daylight"? I don't ask how many trains, because it is possible that the same train may have had several variations of the name in its history. (OK, that's a small hint, but just for the sake of clarity ...)
The following does not include what Johnny mentioned already:
Chicago Daylight Express
PRR Louisville/Cincinnati-Chicago
Chicago Daylight Special
PRR LinesWest Cincinnati-Chicago
Cincinnati Daylight Express
PRR Chicago-Cincinnati
Cincinnati Daylight Special
Daylight, Daylight Special
IC Chicago-St. Louis
Daylight Limited
SP Los Angeles-San Francisco
Daylight Express
DLW Buffalo-Hoboken
FEC Jacksonville-Miami
Frisco Kansas City-Memphis
MILW Minneapolis-Chicago
M&StL IC Minneapolis-Omaha
SR Jacksonville-Atlanta
Daylight Flyer
Alton Chicago-St. Louis
Alton, CBQ St. Louis-Kansas City
GN Seattle-Vancouver
LH&StL, LN St. Louis-Louisville
Monon, CH&D Chicago-Cincinnati
Daylight Special
B&O-Southwestern Cincinnati-St.Louis
Daylight Speedliner
B&O Philadelphia-Baltimore-Pittsburgh
Daylight Train
B&O Washington-Chicago
CNJ RDG B&O B&O-Southwestern Jersey City-St. Louis
Great Western Daylight
CGW Chicago-Minneapolis
Louisiana Daylight
TP New Orleans-St. Worth-San Antonio
Louisville Daylight Express
PRR Chicago-Louisville
Louisville Daylight Special
PRR Lines West Chicago-Louisville
Oakland Daylight
SP Oakland-San Jose(Los Angeles)
Oakland Lark
Omaha and Des Moines Daylight Express
MStL IC Minneapolis-Des Moines/Omaha
Dragoman Also good on the Sunbeam and Hustler. Though I understand that the Hustler was -- albeit with more stops -- just the Sunbeam consist going in the other direction. So, would they have taken the parlor car off, just to let it wait for the other Sunbeam consist to come to town?
WOW! ZephyrOverland, your knowledge/resources far outstrip mine! And I was all excited about recently discovering just B&O's Daylight Speedliner (which you do mention), as a non-Southern Pacific "Daylight".
But both you and Deggesty did miss a fairly obvious one -- SP's Oakland - Portland steamliner, the Shasta Daylight. And while you do mention SP's Daylight Limited (which was the pre-streamliner San Francisco - LA train), SP's very first steamlined train on the route (in the new colors) was called, simply, the Daylight. (As was the case with so many trains, like the 400, Eagle, Hiawatha, Mercury, and Zephyr, a successful train would spawn an entire family!)
And, while you (I presume accidentally) mention the Oakland Lark, which was neither a "Daylight" nor was it in "Daylight colors", it does remind me of the last of the extra-credit answers (that I know of). In 1949, the Noon Daylight was cancelled, and its brightly-colored consist assigned to the Starlight, a new overnight premium all-coach streamlined partner to the streamlined all-Pullman Lark (in its 2-tone gray livery), both on the SF-LA coast route.
So, Deggesty got us started (and got most of the extra-credit), while ZephyrOverland regales us with so many additional examples. I am overwhelmed and think I have to throw in the towel and declare a tie!
I'll leave it to the two of you to decide who goes next
Dragoman WOW! ZephyrOverland, your knowledge/resources far outstrip mine! And I was all excited about recently discovering just B&O's Daylight Speedliner (which you do mention), as a non-Southern Pacific "Daylight". But both you and Deggesty did miss a fairly obvious one -- SP's Oakland - Portland steamliner, the Shasta Daylight. And while you do mention SP's Daylight Limited (which was the pre-streamliner San Francisco - LA train), SP's very first steamlined train on the route (in the new colors) was called, simply, the Daylight. (As was the case with so many trains, like the 400, Eagle, Hiawatha, Mercury, and Zephyr, a successful train would spawn an entire family!) And, while you (I presume accidentally) mention the Oakland Lark, which was neither a "Daylight" nor was it in "Daylight colors", it does remind me of the last of the extra-credit answers (that I know of). In 1949, the Noon Daylight was cancelled, and its brightly-colored consist assigned to the Starlight, a new overnight premium all-coach streamlined partner to the streamlined all-Pullman Lark (in its 2-tone gray livery), both on the SF-LA coast route. So, Deggesty got us started (and got most of the extra-credit), while ZephyrOverland regales us with so many additional examples. I am overwhelmed and think I have to throw in the towel and declare a tie! I'll leave it to the two of you to decide who goes next
You're right, the Oakland Lark was an accidental entry and I had assumed Johnny took care of the Shasta Daylight.
Anyway, even though I had the most entries I'm going to request that Johnny ask the next question. I will be out of town for the next week and will not have the time to offer and monitor a question.
Take it away Johnny!
Myron
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