CSSHEGEWISCH Al does indeed have the correct answer. Chicago Municipal Airport originally occupied only the southwest corner of its existing site and the 59th Street Line connected with BRC's main line near where the Orange Line terminal is located. When the airport was expanded to it's current size, the line was relocated. Al, you have the next question.
Al does indeed have the correct answer. Chicago Municipal Airport originally occupied only the southwest corner of its existing site and the 59th Street Line connected with BRC's main line near where the Orange Line terminal is located. When the airport was expanded to it's current size, the line was relocated.
Al, you have the next question.
Okay, guys, thanks for the privilege.
Tell us the name of the train that was nicknamed "Everybody's Limited" and whose diner, it was said, could provide "three meals for under a dollar a day."
Tell us: the name of the train / railroad or railroad companies over which it ran / original end points / dates of first and last runs (that's a little tricky) / and what the train co. did for women & children who rode this train.
I think this is one you'll either know or not, but trips to WAG-land are not out of the question! ;)
Good luck - allen
al-in-chgo Okay, guys, thanks for the privilege. Tell us the name of the train that was nicknamed "Everybody's Limited" and whose diner, it was said, could provide "three meals for under a dollar a day." Tell us: the name of the train / railroad or railroad companies over which it ran / original end points / dates of first and last runs (that's a little tricky) / and what the train co. did for women & children who rode this train. I think this is one you'll either know or not, but trips to WAG-land are not out of the question! ;) Good luck - allen
The answer is:
The Challenger
C&NW - Chicago-Omaha
UP - Omaha-Los Angeles
The train started in June 1935, as a coach/Tourist sleeper section of the Los Angeles Limited and in May 1936 it became an independent train. The Challenger became the Los Angeles Challenger when the San Francisco Challenger was established in 1937. The Challengers were discontinued in 1947 when the City fleet became daily but was reestablished as a streamliner in 1954 and operated separately and combined with the City of Los Angeles until the beginning of Amtrak.
The train had coaches that were for women and children only and the train had nurse-stewardesses assigned to the train.
ZephyrOverland al-in-chgo: Okay, guys, thanks for the privilege. Tell us the name of the train that was nicknamed "Everybody's Limited" and whose diner, it was said, could provide "three meals for under a dollar a day." Tell us: the name of the train / railroad or railroad companies over which it ran / original end points / dates of first and last runs (that's a little tricky) / and what the train co. did for women & children who rode this train. I think this is one you'll either know or not, but trips to WAG-land are not out of the question! ;) Good luck - allen The answer is: The Challenger C&NW - Chicago-Omaha UP - Omaha-Los Angeles The train started in June 1935, as a coach/Tourist sleeper section of the Los Angeles Limited and in May 1936 it became an independent train. The Challenger became the Los Angeles Challenger when the San Francisco Challenger was established in 1937. The Challengers were discontinued in 1947 when the City fleet became daily but was reestablished as a streamliner in 1954 and operated separately and combined with the City of Los Angeles until the beginning of Amtrak. The train had coaches that were for women and children only and the train had nurse-stewardesses assigned to the train.
al-in-chgo: Okay, guys, thanks for the privilege. Tell us the name of the train that was nicknamed "Everybody's Limited" and whose diner, it was said, could provide "three meals for under a dollar a day." Tell us: the name of the train / railroad or railroad companies over which it ran / original end points / dates of first and last runs (that's a little tricky) / and what the train co. did for women & children who rode this train. I think this is one you'll either know or not, but trips to WAG-land are not out of the question! ;) Good luck - allen
You did a great job! A couple of additional morsels: The Chicago-Omaha leg switched carriers in 1955, from the North Western to the C.M.St.P.&P. (Milwaukee Road).
By the time of the Amtrak takeover (1971), most of the "City of" trains, a well as the Challenger, had been lumped into one big train that wags called "The City of Everywhere."
I had assumed the Challenger was always an all-coach train. I don't know about the 1935-47 period, but the 1954 train, that had been reintroduced as a "streamliner" to use that period's word, carried sleepers. At least it did in 1955, when consists--at the time of the Chgo-Omaha switchover--show that the Challenger had not only coaches but sleepers, too: one was the 10roomette 6 dbl variety, and the other contained the old sections (upper & lower berths).
Since the Challenger had sleepers and coaches as well as a diner of some kind, I don't know if the time of travel or level of service varied significantly between it and the City of L.A.--possibly the Challenger had a cheaper diner?
At any rate, Z.O., you get to post the next question. Good goin'! - al
al-in-chgo You did a great job! A couple of additional morsels: The Chicago-Omaha leg switched carriers in 1955, from the North Western to the C.M.St.P.&P. (Milwaukee Road). By the time of the Amtrak takeover (1971), most of the "City of" trains, a well as the Challenger, had been lumped into one big train that wags called "The City of Everywhere." I had assumed the Challenger was always an all-coach train. I don't know about the 1935-47 period, but the 1954 train, that had been reintroduced as a "streamliner" to use that period's word, carried sleepers. At least it did in 1955, when consists--at the time of the Chgo-Omaha switchover--show that the Challenger had not only coaches but sleepers, too: one was the 10roomette 6 dbl variety, and the other contained the old sections (upper & lower berths). Since the Challenger had sleepers and coaches as well as a diner of some kind, I don't know if the time of travel or level of service varied significantly between it and the City of L.A.--possibly the Challenger had a cheaper diner? At any rate, Z.O., you get to post the next question. Good goin'! - al
When the Challenger was advertised as "Everybody's Limited" in the mid 1930's, it was a primarily a coach/tourist sleeper train. When the Challenger was reintroduced in 1954, it was a coach and Pullman train with the appropriate amenities. UP phased out Tourist accommodations in the late 1940's and when the second Challenger appeared it had a different purpose than the 1930's version. In 1954 the Santa Fe realigned their Chicago-West Coast services and in the process, the Chief received coaches for the first time. More importantly, the westbound Chief was rescheduled as a one-night out train, leaving Chicago early on the first day, arriving in Los Angeles late on the second day. The revitalized Challenger matched the Chief's schedule and accommodations. This lasted for a few years - eventually the Challenger was merged with the City of Los Angeles, leaving the Chief as the only Chicago-west coast train with a one night out schedule.
I'll come up with a new question shortly.
Next Question:
This train named for a flower was a "Star" on one RR and a "Limited" on another. Give the full train names, railroads and endpoints.
ZephyrOverland Next Question: This train named for a flower was a "Star" on one RR and a "Limited" on another. Give the full train names, railroads and endpoints.
The Magnolia Star - ICRR - Chicago and New Orleans
The Magnolia Limited - PRR/RF&P/ACL/FEC - New York and Florida (Miami/Tampa/St. Pete)
I think of the magnolia as more of a tree and have a large one in my yard but of course it has large white flowers so I think these may be the trains you have in mind.
Mark
KCSfan ZephyrOverland: Next Question: This train named for a flower was a "Star" on one RR and a "Limited" on another. Give the full train names, railroads and endpoints. The Magnolia Star - ICRR - Chicago and New Orleans The Magnolia Limited - PRR/RF&P/ACL/FEC - New York and Florida (Miami/Tampa/St. Pete) I think of the magnolia as more of a tree and have a large one in my yard but of course it has large white flowers so I think these may be the trains you have in mind. Mark
ZephyrOverland: Next Question: This train named for a flower was a "Star" on one RR and a "Limited" on another. Give the full train names, railroads and endpoints.
Mark you got the trains. I think though, that the Magnolia Limited was only a Washington-Jacksonville train. In the 1929-1930 season, the southbound train carried a number of through cars from various eastern and midwestern points such as Buffalo and Cleveland. The through cars were carried from Washington and the cars operated northbound to Washington only. (An example of the Pullman national pool car concept at work.) The train carried cars from north of Washington and south of Jacksonville via connecting trains.
Mark, you have the next question.
Here's my question. This train was a whirlwind but it was not the tornado. What was name of the train, its end point terminals and the railroad over which it ran.
KCSfan Here's my question. This train was a whirlwind but it was not the tornado. What was name of the train, its end point terminals and the railroad over which it ran. Mark
Im going to guess the Gulf Wind SAL/LN New Orleans-Jacksonville
Sorry, but not the Gulf Wind. The train I have in mind ran at an earlier time and in a different part of the country.
There is also the East Wind, Washington, DC - Bar Harbor, Bangor, and Brunswick Maine, PRR, NYNH&H, B&M, MC.
What about the Chinook CP Calgary Edmonton?
Sorry, but no one has gotten the correct answer yet. Neither this train nor this question is a breeze.
KCSfan Sorry, but no one has gotten the correct answer yet. Neither this train nor this question is a breeze. Mark
How about a hint? - al
Are you playing with the gods of the Zyphers?
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henry6 Are you playing with the gods of the Zyphers?
Oh no Henry. The name of this train was much more powerful than a zephyr or a breeze or a wind.
Cyclone seems to fit although I don't know if there was such a train.....Mike
That leaves Hurricain, Tornado, Mother-in law, and WIfe. Er, did I write that out loud?
Mikec6201 Cyclone seems to fit although I don't know if there was such a train.....Mike
You've nailed it Mike. The Cyclone was a Pennsy train running between Chicago and Cincinnati. It was inaugurated in 1884 but I have no idea how long it carried that name. The next question is yours.
I'll defer the honor to someone with more knowledge here. Just like to play along when I am able. Thank you
Mikec6201 I'll defer the honor to someone with more knowledge here. Just like to play along when I am able. Thank you
Go ahead and jump in and ask! Your question may stump us all!
Ok I'll give it a shot. Name the interurban company that had the same name as one of todays regional railroads that runs through Columbus Ohio.
Cleveland, Southwestern, and Columbus, generally known as Southwestern?
No sorry.
This interurban ran through Columbus
If the interurban ran through Coumbus but the regional does not, then there is the Ohio Valley which was an interurban that was absorbed into another system, and the regional Ohio Valley which operates in Indiana, not Ohio. Is that what you are looking for?
I remember reading somewhere their was an interurban named Ohio Central. Also the current name of a regional.
Rgds IGN
Sorry Dave, they did both run through Columbus, maybe I could have been clearer.
Yes IGN you are a winner Ohio Central it was.
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narig01 I remember reading somewhere their was an interurban named Ohio Central. Also the current name of a regional. Rgds IGN
Johnny
narig01 has the correct answer.if he would like to ask the next question.
Johnny, I was not aware of a trunk line with the same name in the 1890's. Was this a steam road?
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