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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:21 AM

Since Johnny was the fustest with the mostest (14 trains) he is our winner. I know of three other trains that were not mentioned; The Neptune (New Haven) even though it was named for the King of the Seas not the planet, the Comet (New Haven) and the Sunflower (MP). I still don't get the connection of the Ponce de Leon with any celestial body and am waiting for Mike's translation to explain it for my edification.

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Posted by henry6 on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:11 AM

I believe, Mark (and others not "getting" the reference): LEON...as in Leo in the Astrological Zodiac.  Not a real celestial body as per astronomical reference. 

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:41 AM

In 1230, Don Pedro Ponce married Dona Aldonza de Leon, daughter of Alfonso IX, the King of Leon.

Leo is a northern constellation. 

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Posted by Great Western on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:50 AM

For interested a link about Juan Ponce de Leon:

http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/juan-ponce-de-leon.htm

 AFAIK,  the Spanish name Leon is, as are many places in Europe, based on the Roman presence and their settlements and foundations which they made when they governed a great part of Europe. 

My town had a Roman fort on the headland where I live but has a Saxon name.

Accordingly Leon comes from  Legio = Legion

 

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM
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Leo is a northern constellation. 

Thanks Mike for the explanation. I try to learn at least one new thing each day and you've enabled me to meet that quota for this date. I really wish he had found a fountain of youth 'cause I really could use a swim in it

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:24 AM

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In 1230, Don Pedro Ponce married Dona Aldonza de Leon, daughter of Alfonso IX, the King of Leon.

Apparently, in the thirteenth century, the royal family of Leon was known simply as "Leon."

Not knowing that it was a part of his family name, I had thought that the "de Leon" simply meant that he was from Leon, as many Spaniards were identified in that manner.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:29 AM

KCSfan

Since Johnny was the fustest with the mostest (14 trains) he is our winner. I know of three other trains that were not mentioned; The Neptune (New Haven) even though it was named for the King of the Seas not the planet, the Comet (New Haven) and the Sunflower (MP). I still don't get the connection of the Ponce de Leon with any celestial body and am waiting for Mike's translation to explain it for my edification.

Mark

And, I should not have included the NYC Mercury's, since they were named for the fleet-footed messenger of the Roman gods, Mercury, and not for the planet.

Next question: many trains had a compass direction in their names (East, Western, Northeastern, etc.) How many can you name? Edit: add the roads that operated them.

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Posted by henry6 on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:22 AM

The response here should be enormous!  How many Westerners, Easterners, Northern or Southern Expresses, Southwest or Nortwest Limiteds,  Zephers or other wind and mail directions can we find...it could tie up this thread for days without end.  A more difficult and more precise question would probably be to name a railroad that did not have a train with a direction name!

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Posted by Great Western on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:39 AM

 Well, I suggest we only name one each.  Then lots of folks get a go and who knows some lurkers may join in.Laugh

 Here is my entry:

 Northern Pacific.

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:43 AM

Great Western

Here is my entry:

 Northern Pacific.

Well, well; I knew of the NP railroad, but I did not know of a train with that name.

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Posted by henry6 on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:04 PM

Lackawanna's #7: The Westerner.  And there were several other roads, including NKP connection (?), with trains named "Westerner".

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12 PM

Here's a few entries:

Southern Express/IC/Chicago-New Orleans

Southwestern Ltd/NYC/New York-St. Louis

Western Star/CB&Q-GN/Chicago-Seattle

Southerner/PRR-SR/New York-New Orleans

Southern Belle/KCS/Kansas City-New Orleans

North Coast Ltd/CB&Q-NP/Chicago-Seattle

Westerner/NKP/Buffalo-Chicago

South Wind/PRR-L&N-ACL-FEC/Chicago-Miami

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:16 PM

As you will see from the length of this list I've had a good bit of free time today. The trains shown are from a mid-fifties OG. I'm sure there were many others in earlier times.

North Wind - NH/B&M/CV/MeC

East Wind - NH/B&M

Southwestern Ltd, Easterner, Northerner, North Shore, North Shore Ltd, South Shore Exp - NYC

Southland - PRR/L&N/CofG/ACL

South Wind - PRR/L&N/ACL/FEC

Northern Arrow - PRR

East Coast Champion - PRR/RF&P/ACL/FEC

West Coast Champion - PRR/RF&P/ACL

West Virginian, West Virginia Night Exp - B&O

Westerner - NKP

Southerner - PRR/Sou

Southern Exp, Southwestern Ltd, Northwestern Ltd - IC

Southern Belle - KCS/L&A

Southerner - MP/T&P

Westerner - T&P

North American, Northwestern Ltd - CNW

Northwest Spcl - UP

West Coast - SP

Grand Canyon-Northern Sec, Grand Canyon-Southern Sec - SF

Midwest Hiawatha, North Woods Hiawatha, Southwest Ltd - Milw

North Coast Ltd - CB&Q/NP/SP&S

Western Star - CB&Q/GN/SP&S

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Posted by Great Western on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:04 PM

 Oops

but I didn't realize that the replies had to be 'train name' specific,  just thought it was any railroad name.

Back to lurking.

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:56 PM

Southern Tier Express (Erie) Jersey City to Buffalo

South Plains Express (AT&SF) Sweetwater to Lubbock

West Texas Express (AT&SF) Amarillo to Lubbock

Eastern Express (AT&SF) Lubbock to Amarillo

North Star (NYC) New York to Cleveland, also the name of a 4-4-0 built in St. Albans, VT in 1872.

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Posted by henry6 on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:41 PM

This is neat...what I expected...a wide open barrage of trian names from all points of the compass....and there are more to come... only question is, who has the answer to start the next question, or are we gonna go with this forever...fun! Love it!

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:19 AM

Heres my 3:30 AM list of trins:

North American C&NW

North Coast Limited NP

North Express PRR

North Shore Limited BA/NYC

North Star Limited M&STL

North Star M&STL

North Wind New Haven/B&M

North Woods Hiawatha CMSTP&P

Northeastern Limited IC

Northern Arrow PRR

Northern Michigan Special DM&N

Northwestern Limited C&NW

Southland L&N /CofG/ACL/FEC

South Shore Express LI

South Wind PRR/L&N/ACL/FEC

Southern Belle KCS

Southern Express ACL/N&W

Southern States Sou

Southern States Special Sou

Southern Railway Express Sou

Southern Tier Express Erie

Southerner Sou

Southland Express L&N

Southland (L&N

Southwest Limited (CMST&P

Southwestern Express CGW

Southwestern Limited NYC

West Coast SP

West Pointer NYC

West Shore Express NYC

West Texan C&S/FW&D

West Virginian C&O

Western Express B&O

Western Express CP/MC

Westerner CofG

Eastwind NYNH&H

Thats my list all pre streamlined except for a couple

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Posted by x2000 on Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:16 AM

The New York Centraol also had a North Star (I think it ran Sat nights NY - Chi) and a South Shore Express (mostly mail Chi - NYC, eventually lost its name and I think was just known as 43)

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:13 PM

henry6

This is neat...what I expected...a wide open barrage of trian names from all points of the compass....and there are more to come... only question is, who has the answer to start the next question, or are we gonna go with this forever...fun! Love it!

Henry,

It's was Johnny's question so we need to hear who he declares the winner. I sense your impatience but I'm sure we will hear from him soon so don't get too frustrated in the meantime.

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Posted by henry6 on Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:18 PM

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Henry,

It's was Johnny's question so we need to hear who he declares the winner. I sense your impatience but I'm sure we will hear from him soon so don't get too frustrated in the meantime.

Mark

Oh far from impatient!  I think this is great.  Truly...I do.  These answers show the ubiquitousness of railroading and the depth or shallowness of railroad marketing back in the day.  Of course, it could be a show of optimisim if not romaticism.  Little roads with high hopes and big roads with little budgets.  I hope somebody is taking notes and making a list.  It will be really interesting.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:15 PM

No, Henry (and everybody else), this will not go on forever. Indeed, unless someone can come up with 25 names that have not yet been posted, it’s over.

You gave us one, CSSHegewisch gave us eight, KCSfan gave us twenty-five new ones plus eight duplicates Wanswheel gave us five new ones, passengerfan gave us twenty-one new ones plus thirteen duplicates, and x2000 gave us two duplicates--sixty named trains with a compass direction in the name.

We have come quite a way from 1851 or thereabouts, when, if a road had more than one train, one was called "first train" and the second one was called "second train."

I learned of several that were quite unknown to me, such as the Texas Santa Fé trains. I will query Southern States and Southern States Special as being Southern; I know that the SAL (and RF&P) operated a Southern States Special (which operated on the same schedule with the Cotton States Special north of Hamlet. Also, I remember the B&O as operating a West Virginian; I can’t say that the C&O did not. For a time, at least, the Southern had two schedules for the Carolina Special, which was two trains east of Asheville (one to Goldsboro, N. C., and the other to Charleston, S. C.). One was called Carolina Special (North Carolina Train), and the other Carolina Special (South Carolina Train). At other times, it showed only one schedule, with all the equipment.

You may notice that passengerfan gave us both Southland PRR/L&N/CG/ACL and Southland L&N. Yes, before the Perry Cutoff was constructed, the L&N had a Southland, which carried various sleepers.

Now for the solution. I doubt greatly that anyone can come up with more than 25 new names. So, the winner is KCSfan (also known to us simply as "Mark.").

I hope you found this more interesting than some of the questions I have propounded.

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Posted by KCSfan on Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:56 PM

Our recent questions have entailed some lengthy answers so I'll strive for brevity with this question . I  hope one of our less frequent contributors is the first to answer and gets a chance to ask their question.

What was the last narrow gauge (3 ft) common carrier line in the US to carry passengers.? Name the railroad and the end points between which it ran just prior to the end of passenger service.

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Posted by henry6 on Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:04 PM

Johnny, it was one of the best and most fun and enlightening questions in a long time...did anyone mention the Southern Crescent?...and hope there are more to come.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Friday, August 14, 2009 11:50 AM

 

Deggesty

No, Henry (and everybody else), this will not go on forever. Indeed, unless someone can come up with 25 names that have not yet been posted, it’s over.

You gave us one, CSSHegewisch gave us eight, KCSfan gave us twenty-five new ones plus eight duplicates Wanswheel gave us five new ones, passengerfan gave us twenty-one new ones plus thirteen duplicates, and x2000 gave us two duplicates--sixty named trains with a compass direction in the name.

We have come quite a way from 1851 or thereabouts, when, if a road had more than one train, one was called "first train" and the second one was called "second train."

I learned of several that were quite unknown to me, such as the Texas Santa Fé trains. I will query Southern States and Southern States Special as being Southern; I know that the SAL (and RF&P) operated a Southern States Special (which operated on the same schedule with the Cotton States Special north of Hamlet. Also, I remember the B&O as operating a West Virginian; I can’t say that the C&O did not. For a time, at least, the Southern had two schedules for the Carolina Special, which was two trains east of Asheville (one to Goldsboro, N. C., and the other to Charleston, S. C.). One was called Carolina Special (North Carolina Train), and the other Carolina Special (South Carolina Train). At other times, it showed only one schedule, with all the equipment.

You may notice that passengerfan gave us both Southland PRR/L&N/CG/ACL and Southland L&N. Yes, before the Perry Cutoff was constructed, the L&N had a Southland, which carried various sleepers.

Now for the solution. I doubt greatly that anyone can come up with more than 25 new names. So, the winner is KCSfan (also known to us simply as "Mark.").

I hope you found this more interesting than some of the questions I have propounded.

Johnny

 

Of course when I'm away from the internet for a couple of days that's when the questions become interesting.  I know that this question is closed but here are some additional "directional" train names for your interest:


Eastern and Southern Express - PRR - Chicago-Louisville


Eastern Limited - North Shore - Chicago-Milwaukee


Eastern Oklahoma Mail - MKT - Kansas City-Deninson


Eastern Slope - BM - Boston-Intervale


North Adams Special - NYCHR BA - New York-North Adams


North Country Mail - DSSA - Duluth - Marquette


North Texas Express - MKT - San Antonio-Dallas


North Western Fast Mail - CNW - Minneapolis-Chicago


Northern Lakes Special - CNW - Chicago - Cisco Lake


Northern Special - LN - Cincinnati-Louisville


Southeastern Limited - Frisco/SR - Kansas City-Jacksonville


Southern Fast Mail - IC - Chicago-New Orleans


Southern Illinois Express - CEI - Chicago-Thebes


Southern Michigan Express - DM - Cheboygan-Bay City


Southerner - PRR - Pittsburgh-Washington


Southerner - RFP/SAL - Washington-St. Petersburg/Miami


Southwest Empire - B4 - Cleveland/Cincinnati-St. Louis


Southwest Express - RI/SP - Chicago-Kansas City-Los Angeles


Southwestern Day Express - CGW - Oelwein-Kansas City


Southwestern Limited - CGW - Minneapolis-Kansas City


Southwestern Special B4/LSMS/NYCHR - St. Louis/Cincinnati-New York


West Coast Day Limited - SAL - Jacksonville-St. Petersburg


West Coast Limited - CoG/G&SF/Plant System - Atlanta-Tampa


West Indian Limited - RFP/ACL - Washington-Jacksonville


West Taku Arm Speical - White Pass - Skagway-Carcross


West Virginia Express - CO - Cincnnati-Clifton Forge


West Virginian - C&O - Washington-Cincinnati


West Virginian - B&O - Baltimore-Chicago


Western Flyer - RI - Memphis-Oklahoma City


Western North Carolina Speical - SR - Asheville-Jacksonville

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, August 14, 2009 12:53 PM

ZephyrOverland
Of course when I'm away from the internet for a couple of days that's when the questions become interesting.  I know that this question is closed but here are some additional "directional" train names for your interest:

And, had you not been a day late, you would be a dollar ahead, with 29 new (was I ever wrong!) and one duplicate. The duplicate confirmed passenger fan's listing of the C&O's West Virginian. You reached way back into history, naming the Plant System and other roads that have long since been taken into larger systems.

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, August 14, 2009 4:09 PM

White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42 PM

passengerfan

White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross

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Al,

Close but no cigar for you yet. You need to tweak your answer a bit.

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:15 AM

KCSfan

passengerfan

White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Carcross

Al - in - Stockton

Al,

Close but no cigar for you yet. You need to tweak your answer a bit.

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Mark How About White Pass & Yukon Skagway to Whitehorse.

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Posted by KCSfan on Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:39 AM

Al,

You are our winner. I've just beem playing mind games with you. Up to the time the WP&Y ceased to operate as a common carrier in 1982 it did indeed run passenger service from Skagway to Carcross. At White Pass the line left Alaska from there north it ran through British Columbia and the Yukon Territory so technically that portion of the route was not a US line.

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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:27 PM

Interesting developments. Johnny awards Mark the win on grounds of doubt that anyone could top him for quantity. Mark invites a less frequent contributor to be the first to answer his question. Zephyr Overland names dozens more directional trains including West Taku Arm Special. Al sees Alaska and drives a truck right through it. Then today in Trains forum thread, On This Date In Railroad History...

AUGUST 15, 1900

Regular service is commenced over the 3'0" gauge White Pass and Yukon Railway between Skagway, Alaska and Whitehorse, Yukon Territory.

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