I am doumbfounded that I coiuld make such rediculous a misake. Of course the PAs and the DL-109s were all six-axle, but four-motored, like EMD E-units. Well, at 84+!
Is the right nomenclature a-1-a + a-l-a?
As far as I'm concerned, it's time for a new question, and rcdrye has earned the right several times over, the bipolars being only the latest thing that argues for an acceptable answer outside of what I was thinking.
Dave -- if it were an A-1-A I think it would have been a 416 and not a 616 (doesn't the nomenclature follow the powered and not the physical axles?) Anybody who can not now find the relevant locomotive number (and pictures of the brass model of the specific type) is not trying hard enough.
Either number, the one it had in service or the one it has now, would do. In any case, rcdrye go ahead and post the next question to keep the thread going.
I meant the nomenclature for the PA, not the answer. The answer should be simply a c + c, sux axles, six motors.
If it has a different number now than in service, is it painted for a different railroad then that of service?
PA would be A1A-A1A. If you (Overmod) were thinking of the "pole" on the long end of a Virginian EL-C (a C-C electric), it was used as a bus connector so that only one pantograph was required for a pair of them. New Haven removed the bus connector setup.
After its initial electrification had trouble with pickup, this company modified its installation with special booms to allow pickup from a third rail some distance from the running rails.
rcdryeAfter its initial electrification had trouble with pickup, this company modified its installation with special booms to allow pickup from a third rail some distance from the running rails.
Is this not the lumber railway we had a similar question about only a few months ago?
rcdryeIf you (Overmod) were thinking of the "pole" on the long end of a Virginian EL-C (a C-C electric), it was used as a bus connector so that only one pantograph was required for a pair of them.
I knew nothing about that, and thanks for telling me.
It was fun enough seeing the 'shoes' between cars on the old Reading MUs that I thought accomplished a similar purpose. 11kV you could just reach up and touch... !
OvermodIs this not the lumber railway we had a similar question about only a few months ago?
Nope - Red River Lumber used side-reaching pans on otherwise normal overhead wire (and also extension cords). What I'm looking for was part of an important trunk-line electrification that lasted until after WWII, even if it wasn't all that long. The original current collection did look something like Red River Lumber's.
GN had Reading-like "shoes" on their Y and Z class electrics. Pennsy removed them from the Ys they bought from GN.
Baltimore and Ohio in the tunnels?
Overmod Baltimore and Ohio in the tunnels?
Wow! I had no idea -- I'd thought of the B&O electrification as using those offset pans to the center elevated conductor.
I get no points for what was essentially an informed guess. Ask another one.
I guess I'll stick with current collecters. This New York interurban had equipment with poles, pans and third rail shoes. The pans were short-lived, but the third rail stayed. Third rail was overrunning, not NYC style.
New York State Railways. Nearly all lines trolley wire, but the Syracuse - Utica interurban used third rail, and I suppose the predicessor company might have used pantographs at one point. Trolley wire was, of course, used on the street trackage, mostly shared with streetcars, in Utica and Syracuse. In its best days, New York State Railways was owned or mostly owned by the New York Central System.
New York State Railways used NYC-style underrunning third rail over West Shore tracks between Syracuse and Utica. This line was of a more rural nature, serving only one real city.
This interurban used pans on passenger equipment only for a brief interval in the 1920s before passenger operation ended in 1929, but continued with third rail (and trolley) operation for freight for a couple of years longer. It's sometimes listed as a 1200V third rail line, though it was so early (1899) that it was almost certainly 600V.
Guessing, Auburn and Syracuse Electric Ry.?
Like the rest of the Beebe Syndicate lines, A&S used poles. The line I'm looking for was a very early third rail line, predating the AE&C and Puget Sound Electric.
I'm not sure where the line planned to use the pans, as it was third rail except for street operation at each end. As far as I know, only two cars had them, both of which later went to another upstate interurban.
Kaydeeross? (Sp?)
The third-rail line made freight connections with two New York Central System family members in the same town where one of the lines got a daily milk train with cars from upstate New York and Vermont.
Chatham, Wallencenber, and Lake Erie Railway
Both ends of the line were very nearly at sea level with the middle up in the Berkshire foothills.
Doesn't the Catham Line I posted meet that requirement?
Maybe you are looking for the same line under a new name after reorganization?
The company did operate under various names, but all of them included the name of the northernmost city, which was the second most important, if not the second largest, city in New York State.
Buffalo, Rochester and Lockport Rwy.
Miningman Buffalo, Rochester and Lockport Rwy.
Wrong end of upstate NY, and BR&L never used third rail shoes (or pans).
THEN IT MUST HAVE RUN SOUTH FROM ALBANY, ALBANY TO CHATHAM OR ALBANY TO HUDSON. CHATHAM IS WHERE MILK CAME FROM THE RUTLAND AND WENT TO BOSTON ON THE BOSTON AND ALBANY AND TO NEW YORK ON THE HARLEM DIVISION. I WILL TRY TO FIND THE NAMME OF THE LINES BETWEEN THSE POINTS, SERVER CURRNETLY DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH BANDWIDTH.;
I'll accept that for an answer. The best known name for the line was the "Albany-Hudson Fast Line", though that was never the corporate name. The cars with poles, pans and shoes were bought from Cincinnati Car in 1925 (straight sides, not curved sides) and used until passenger service ended in 1929, then sold to the Fonda, Johnstown and Gloversville. Under the then-current corporate name the Albany Southern ran freight service until 1931, then was dormant until the rails were pulled up in 1938. Street running in Albany and Hudson, third rail between, including the B&A interchange in Chatham.
Here's a link to the photo on page 92 of William Middleton's classic "The Interurban Era"
https://books.google.com/books?id=xHSSBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=albany+hudson+fast+line+60&source=bl&ots=KKFp7aMyBG&sig=C_DVeH5OpLztKDVbtDtNbqOfzQA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWsu2ggqTOAhXHNx4KHS2fBgcQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=albany%20hudson%20fast%20line%2060&f=false
"The company did operate under various names, but all of them included the name of the northernmost city, which was the second most important, if not the second largest, city in New York State." - rcdrye
I found the very article you provided the link to yesterday but dismissed it as Albany is not the 2nd largest city in New York State. It's not even close.
Buffalo, Rochester, Syacuse and Yonkers are all larger in population. If instead you are relying on the second most important because it is the state capital then I say that's a matter of opinion! The Buffalo Bills and the Buffalo Sabres are far more important than a bunch of self important narcissistic politicians.
Albany was the first second largest city in N.Y. State, and Hudson was the first third largest. Both were in the top 24 nationally in the first U.S. census.
https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab02.txt
Brooklyn became the second second largest in 1840.
https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab07.txt
Buffalo became the third second largest when Brooklyn ceased to be a city.
https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab13.txt
https://ia600300.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/2/items/streetrailwayrev11amer/streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2.zip&file=streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2/streetrailwayrev11amer_0039.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0
https://ia600300.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/2/items/streetrailwayrev11amer/streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2.zip&file=streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2/streetrailwayrev11amer_0040.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0
https://ia600300.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/2/items/streetrailwayrev11amer/streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2.zip&file=streetrailwayrev11amer_jp2/streetrailwayrev11amer_0041.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0
http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/PVT/Official_Guide/AHFL-1906.html 1906 timetable
OK...2nd largest back then! Great stuff
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