Good Morning Captain Tom and Crew!
Realizing this is Sunday and all I'll supply the Java and other Sundries as required. Yes I normally don't post on a Sunday, however as stated last night, We will be headed for Tatamagouche for the week and away from all electronics as of Tomorrow a.m.
So I thought i would clear up some busy~mess before departing
siberianmo wrote:Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 5:33 PM <7:33 PM ADT>: See the FIRST Post on Page 7! <exasperated>
Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 5:33 PM <7:33 PM ADT>: See the FIRST Post on Page 7! <exasperated>
I'm sorry Tom but...
" I thought I thawd a Tweeting Bird...
I DID, I DID!!"
Sorry Couldn't resist
Anyway
Allan, Eric and Rob to answer your questions
This is a B&O "Big Six" 2-10-2. There was an excellent story in the 2006 Summer edition of Classic Trains on these beasts! A total of 125 were built S1 and S1-a and had a Tractive Effort of 84,300 lbs and 64" Drivers.
Did a search on the internet last night and photos were scant to say the least.
Eric: Nice Photos, kinda puts the whole size thing in perspective. The 4-10-2 is a handsome one for sure. Yes I'm partial to 2-10-2's, 2-10-4's and 4-10-2's. If I do aquire this this 2-10-2 that will make 5 Sante Fe and 2 Texas wheel arrangement engines on the MESS
Anyway have a good week everyone if I don't post before I go.
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
<Milwaukee Road Bi-Polar at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
"Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . August 17th thru 23rd: Air Force One <1998> Starring: Harrison Ford, Gary Oldman, Glenn Close, Wendy Crewson & Liesel Matthews - and - ENCORE Presentation of The Train <1964> Starring: Burt Lancaster, Paul Scofield, Jeanne Moreau, Suzanne Flon, Michel Simon. SHORT - The Three Stooges: Crime On Their Hands <1948>.
Air Force One <1998>
PLOT SUMMARY: You know that old dramatic principle of suspension of disbelief? You'll have to rely on it for this box-office smash, but you won't be disappointed. Harrison Ford plays a U.S. president who single-handedly employs his rigid antiterrorism policy when a band of Russian thugs hatch a mid-flight takeover of Air Force One. Gary Oldman, who chews the scenery as the lead terrorist, will shoot a hostage at the slightest provocation. Glenn Close plays the sternly pragmatic vice president who negotiates with Oldman from her Washington seat of power. If you can believe that the aircraft's pressurized cabin can sustain hundreds of rounds of machine-gun fire, you'll buy anything in this entertaining potboiler, especially thanks to Ford's stalwart heroics and some nifty special effects. Director Wolfgang Petersen (Das Boot) keeps the action moving so fast you won't be sweating the details. Don't forget your parachute! --Jeff Shannon
You know that old dramatic principle of suspension of disbelief? You'll have to rely on it for this box-office smash, but you won't be disappointed. Harrison Ford plays a U.S. president who single-handedly employs his rigid antiterrorism policy when a band of Russian thugs hatch a mid-flight takeover of Air Force One. Gary Oldman, who chews the scenery as the lead terrorist, will shoot a hostage at the slightest provocation. Glenn Close plays the sternly pragmatic vice president who negotiates with Oldman from her Washington seat of power. If you can believe that the aircraft's pressurized cabin can sustain hundreds of rounds of machine-gun fire, you'll buy anything in this entertaining potboiler, especially thanks to Ford's stalwart heroics and some nifty special effects. Director Wolfgang Petersen (Das Boot) keeps the action moving so fast you won't be sweating the details. Don't forget your parachute! --Jeff Shannon
The Train <1964>
PLOT SUMMARY: This tense 1964 action drama from John Frankenheimer (The Manchurian Candidate) stars Burt Lancaster as a member of the French Resistance trying to prevent Nazi looters from taking valuable art treasures out of the country. A great ride all the way with Frankenheimer at his inimitable best. This is a true human-scale action movie of the sort we used to think of before "action" meant blowing up asteroids in space. Kinetic but almost rueful in tone the films chases and fights are not just eye candy but rather encourage audience involvement in moral stakes. Crisp and serious performances all around from Lancaster and 1960s icons Paul Scofield and Jeanne Moreau.
This tense 1964 action drama from John Frankenheimer (The Manchurian Candidate) stars Burt Lancaster as a member of the French Resistance trying to prevent Nazi looters from taking valuable art treasures out of the country. A great ride all the way with Frankenheimer at his inimitable best. This is a true human-scale action movie of the sort we used to think of before "action" meant blowing up asteroids in space. Kinetic but almost rueful in tone the films chases and fights are not just eye candy but rather encourage audience involvement in moral stakes. Crisp and serious performances all around from Lancaster and 1960s icons Paul Scofield and Jeanne Moreau.
SHORT: Crime On Their Hands <1948>
PLOT SUMMARY: The Stooges are janitors at the Daily Gazette who get a hot tip about the stolen Punjab diamond. Hoping to become real reporters, the boys hurry to where Dapper and his gang are hiding. While questioning Dapper's beautiful moll, Shemp accidentally swallows the diamond thinking it was a mint. Fortunately a gorilla in the next room gets loose, and saves Shemp from being carved up by Dapper.
The Stooges are janitors at the Daily Gazette who get a hot tip about the stolen Punjab diamond. Hoping to become real reporters, the boys hurry to where Dapper and his gang are hiding. While questioning Dapper's beautiful moll, Shemp accidentally swallows the diamond thinking it was a mint. Fortunately a gorilla in the next room gets loose, and saves Shemp from being carved up by Dapper.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend!
Tom
Well good evening folks I'm enjoying the left over spiked java Fergie left behind <gad> you could remove paint with that hmmm an extra finger or four of CR should fix that right up As always Sunday night paperwork clearing time.What we need is an industrial sized shredder. No Boris Queenie is not going to come here to do it , the bars off limits to her <sheesh> You never should have flashed those pictures Tom , you know how easily swayed Boris can be, he'll be up to all hours now creating inflatables in the shed.
Tom-Two grrreat flicks love them both 5xshould make for a good week at the Emporium.The black eyes should build charactoer up there in the mountain villiage.I didn't htink that they had a constabulary as we know it up there.
Unfortunatly you are right about military,still here's hoping that it does change for the better and more people end up giving a patoot. Speaking of which 2010 is the 100th aniversary of the formation of the RCN,more useless trivia from moi but it's important to me.
The navy's first ship HMCS Niobe a Diadem class armoured cruiser,one of the few things to more or less survive the Halifax explosion in 1917,although she never again went to see after that.
The other ship that first formed our navy. HMCS Rainbow an Apollo class protected cruiser.
Both shots from my meger collection of old ships shots most ordered from the navy.
Fergie- Have a good trip sir hopefully the new steamer for the MESS isn't snapped up by someone else while you are away from civilization.
Rob
<IT Rail bus at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
A smile to begin the week!
"A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit." - Army's magazine of preventive maintenance.
G'day Gents!
What's to say, other than it's Monday <again> <frown>! Soooooooo, you know the routine - coffee ‘n pastries are fresh! Menu items are ready for orderin' ....
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REMINDERS:
RR Book Relay 2008 is presently in west Wales with Nick . . . next on the list is Shane in WVA , followed by Rob in Ontario then Allan in NZ!
Birthday Watch List: Next "up" is Rob on Sept 8th . . .
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Soooooooo, seems to me that in your Saturday Post - you "gave" your Keg o' Keiths to Pete <which was nice of you> - BUT didn't order a thing at the bar! Now you KNOW that's a violation! <geesh> I think you just enjoy rattling the chains of the Proprietor. <triple geesh>
Enjoy your vacation . . . Lisa deserves it! <grin>
Page 8 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 8:39 PM: "In" for some admin work <minus the "ahem"> - chat - RCN memories - chat ‘n good cheer!
Long weekend coming up for Ruth . . . leaving Thursday, back to work on Tuesday.
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Cool weather here this a.m. but it is supposed to get warmer later today. Eyes are to the south at present - believe me, we do not need any more rain here for awhile!
Rob was in with comments. Shays are alive and well here at Cass, including western Maryland 6, the biggest of ‘em all. Niobe and Rainbow - excellent pictures. I must resurrect my copy of Conway's Guide to Fighting Ships from that period - I am sure they are in there. Anyway, a nice reminder of the days when belching smokestacks symbolized progress and power.
DL - I enjoyed reading the additional details about your trip.
Pete - The Tanfield picture was interesting. Can you tell us any more about the passenger car in the photo? It reminded me of 1860-era cars over here, only a bit fancier. The 2-6-4T is an interesting beast.
The "Water Level Route - You Can Sleep" was a long-running advertising slogan used by the New York Central. This was done to contrast their route to the PRR which went over the mountains. The Boston and Albany was the rugged section of the NYC, although the Central traversed some rough terrain in WV and parts of Pennsylvania as well.
New England Wolverine and Wolverine were separate trains, IIRC.
Almost forgot your Broadway question. Power was E8s and GG1s as we went from Chicago to New York. It was part of a circle trip which covered most of the eastern part of the country.
NCB - I remember them well as they had some good safety material which could be adapted to American concerns.
I imagine that your black bag would "eat" a laptop without even breaking a sweat.
Eric - Sounds as though you have been having fun in your neighborhood. We celebrated Y2K in a similar manner which involved a knife fight, police cars and K9-Units as well; IOW, something for everybody. There's a story for the next Rendezvous. At least your car is still there. Sunkist Climax is a nice piece of equipment. Let me call your attention to an excellent volume by Dennis B. Thompson, Richard Dunn, and Steve Hauff titled The Climax Locomotive. Hamilton, MT: Oso Publishing, 2002. They have produced a lot of good logging-related material over the years. It was pricey when it came out and I don't know if it is even still in print. Anyway, it's a good ‘un with a lot of fascinating material. I enjoyed your selection of steam pictures as well.
The Western Maryland item you asked about is a stylized rendition of their logo rather than a drumhead. The current issue of Classic Trains has some good pictures showing the logo as it was applied to locomotives. Re your question about phones on PRR trains - they go back to the 1950s at least - I'll have to check into it a little more.
Allan - My dad has a similar story about "Gone With the Wind" - it played forever in a theatre where he worked in Providence, RI. He mentioned awhile back where they actually showed the movie on Sunday (because of high demand) which was almost unheard of back then.
Fergie - B&O Big 6's were an excellent locomotive. Are you thinking of adding one to the roster?
OSP has been by with more PRR history and drumheads and some NYC historical material, and MKT as well as drumheads. When you and Pete make your next trip to the "Libury," go look at ICC reports from back yrs ago. They will give you the mileage figures that you need. Moody's Manual of Railroads ( I showed this to Pete when we were there) is another good place as well. Now I must get ready for new moom pichers. Good choices both.
Work safe
Morning Ruth , just my usual morning fare. A number three and some decent spiked coffee.
Tom-Did you see the ominous glow on the horrizon from the direction of the Mountain Villiage To make matters worse Boris said he thought it was pretty, which can't be a good thing.
Shane-Back in the saddle again eh hopefully this means that they've finished spraying your roof with all those awfull roofing chemicals.
We'll have to make another run to Cass at some point ,one can never get enough of wonderfull old geared locomotives doing their thing in their natural environment. I'm not sure if they do it anymore ,but at one point you could order prints of ships photo's from the RCN's website,if you are interested.
There is something about pre World War One warships, they just have that look that I've always loved ( belching smoke not withstanding ) Sounds like an interesting book that you have,one can only guess how many body parts it would cost to get one now.
Lets see Boris since you've got the critters sqaured away help yourself to that jar of PPF over there, it's a fresh new one, the packer has said that it's an improved brine , and that it has 50% more knuckles as well. Bon apetite
So a couple photo's to start the week off with.
One of the museum's earlier aquisitions. Old Toronto railway Company single truck semi convertible 1704 ( 1904 build ) seen here as Grinding car W25 which is how we aquired her in 1971,At the momnet she is stripped down to the frame and is ready to begin restoration to it's original semi open passenger car config ( as time and money permits )
One of our small Witt's 2786 climbing up the line westbound.
Our other operable small Witt 2894
The 2002 return to Toronto of Our Open Car 327
enjoy
A fair start to the work week here at the Saloon by the Siding as our WVA 'n Ontario Connections have dropped off their pick-us-ups! Good to see ya both.
Comments in my next round of acknowledgments . . .
A highlight of my rail travels is my 2005 trip to Dallas for perhaps the best single day I've experienced riding steel rails on steel wheels. Commuter rail trips - light rail ‘n trolleys were packed into a most memorable experience.
A former customer of "Our" Place, Dick Watkins, knew of my enthusiasm for Budd Rail Diesel Cars <RDCs>. In discussions at the bar and by Email, he offered to provide a tour of the Trinity Rail Express <TRE> facility west of Dallas along with a round trip aboard an RDC.
What is particularly noteworthy is the RDCs <13> operated by TRE are former VIA Rail units that were purchased by DART <Dallas Area Rapid Transit> for refurbishing in Montréal by Alstom/ANF in 1996 at their facility. I saw several of those units in Halifax during a Christmas visit in 1991, which were vestiges of the curtailed service to Yarmouth to the south and Sydney to the north.
I flew to Dallas for a one-day adventure that still "lives" in my memory as one hulluva day!
Many thanx to Dick ‘n I surely hope that all's well with our former Permanent Member of the<discontinued> Order of the Stools at "Our" Place!
The full trip report of my adventures was Posted on 18 Aug 2005 and may be found on Page 80 at "Our" Place I - click the link:
http://cs.trains.com/forums/80/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
<Note how the censor kept *** out D-I-C-K-s name! Also, fotos were provided on earlier Pages - scroll back OR wait for the ones to follow here!>
What follows in the coming days are fotos of my experiences on that most memorable day.
(1) Dallas bound TRE Bi-level arriving at Centrepoint Station from Ft. Worth
(2) TRE Bi-level at Centrepoint Station
(3) Trailing TRE F59PH at Centrepoint Station
(4) TRE RDCs approaching Centrepoint Station - 2 unit consist
(5) TRE RDC at Centrepoint
(6) Eastbound Dallas from the cab of TRE RDC #2011
(7) TRE Engineer Dave in cab of RDC #2011
(8) TRE Facility coming up - from the cab
(9) TRE rolling stock - from the cab
(10) TRE RDCs - from the cab
More to follow!
Hi Tom and all in
Not a proper post - mostly a message for Pete - but I'll leave a round for the house to make up for it. Pete - I went for a wlak alon the Trent and Mersey Canal on Sat starting at Fradley Jct - pub there for narrow boaters on the canal was selling Holden's seasonal brew I think (Golden Promise?) - great stuff. So I'll have a pint of that. Thought you'd want feedback on that brew!
Am I correct in thinking that you are planning a UK trip soon - if so do you want to e-mail me off site in case we can organsie soem sort of mini UK 'our place get together' - midlands based - if Da Boss will sanction such a thing of course!!
Back soon as I can with more Paris info and more comment on others posts, which I've just scanned through but noted all the regulars seem to have been in!
Regards to you all
DL
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the Fallen Flag on the KATY from the official guide to Railways from 1956. I noticed there was quite a price range for the dinner menu.
Yes I was lucky to get the Wooden Bridge to get those photos of 80098, and the sun was just right. Must admit though it was more by luck than good judgment.
Was it Winston Churchill who said, "We were different countries separated by a common language". Often when asked what beer you want the reply is "I'll try a so or so beer".
Just had my renewal notice for the Mentor Village Gazette from VITO. It said "You are cordially invited to renew your subscription or ELSE'. I got in touch with him and told him I had not received any of the MVG from my last subscription and VITO replied, " What's that got to do with it".
Two good films on at the Emporium this week, both I have seen but it will be good to see them again. The Train is a film is a good film to see again after reading the Steel Rails to Victory RR Relay book seeing the real wartime railways of France. Then, of course the Stooges, just wonder how that gorilla got in the other room.
It does indeed look a great day you had in Dallas. Reading the link to Our Place I it was a very full day with a lot of railway interest, it must have been great to have had the cab ride in the RDC. Many thanks for the great photos like the one with the 6 RDCS lined up outside the depot.
FERGIE Thanks for the remainder of the Keith's in the keg. Glad you liked the photos
I remember that article in Classic Trains thanks for the details on the ‘Big Sixes'. Did you put a bid in for that model of the great looking steamer on E-Bay.
ERIC Yes this year the lawns have stayed green, most years it is brown with clouds of dust when the lawns are being mowed.
Many thanks for the photos from Pomona, the Big boy does look in great condition as does the Southern Pacific SP-2 ad the Santa Fe # 3450, although I guess it would take a great deal of money to get the Big Boy in running condition again.
Glad you enjoyed the photos of the standard 2-6-4 tanks. They did sadly have short lives on BR but luckily quite a few were saved for preservation and are popular engines. The Severn Valley Railway had a Standard class 4-tank engine Gala when 6 of the locos were in steam and running trains a few years ago.
ALLAN I have sent the photos of Tanfield to Alan and he is going to find some details for me. He said the photo I posted Saturday is at Beamish and not Tanfield. I will have to have another look through my notes again.
My first job, while still at school, was too for the Co-Op. as a shelf stacker odd job and delivery boy on one of the old butcher bikes with the basket on the front. It was a good job and if I got a 6d tip it was great.
Glad you enjoyed the photos of the Standard tanks they were rare locos at Rugby when the tank engines there were ex LMS types wither LNER L1s on the Great Central line.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos.
It was two 35 mm cameras that met their end in the black bag. The digital camera I borrowed survived and it only took the bride 2 hours to re set it after the trip to Montreal I went on with Tom.
Many thanks for the photos of two of the first ships in the Canadian Navy. I wonder of the HMCS Niobe behaved in a rough sea.
Many thanks as well for the photos from your museum. Interesting to read the Grinding Car No. W25 is being converted back to a passenger car. No. 327 looks great and is attracting a lot of attention on her return to the streets of Toronto.
CM3 As I said to Allan, I'm afraid I got the wrong place in the photo of the industrial saddle tank and the old car, I have got Alan on the case and he is sure the photo was at Beamish.
I think given the choice I would have picked the PRR route to Chicago in steam days and hoped for a car near the engine. It still must have been a great trip with the GG1s and the E-8 Units.
Yes the NCB supplied my factory with good work building the large D.C. mine winders for them.
I though that was a good article on the Western Maryland with some great photos.
The film that seemed to be on all summer at our local cinema was the Sound of Music.
DL Great to see you in the bar. Sounds a good walk along the Trent and Mersey Canal. Was that Holden' brew called Golden Glow if it was I have had that and it is a great beer I thought. I have just had a look at their website and had not realized that had so many special brews, I will have to try a Night Train if I get the chance..
http://www.holdensbrewery.co.uk/index.asp?loc=home
I was talking to Alan this morning and will know more about my plans very soon. I will e-mail you about a get together when I am in England, which I would very much enjoy.
I shall look forward to more details about your Paris trip..
A round please RUTH while I have another look through my notebooks..
Pete
Email sent to <GoR> this afternoon <Monday> . . .
And our Bar Chandler, Sir Moderation made it in <finally!> - but, it IS Monday after all, 'n we know how difficult it is for the Wolfman to recouperate from being away from the bar for sooooooo loooooong! <grin>
Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments . . .
Time for something from the sub-basement archives . . .
More on the Canadian National Railways from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956
"Our" Place Passenger Train Nostalgia <not numbered>
<A form of this was initially Posted on 19 Sep 2005, Page 112 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/112/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Canadian National Railways
Canadian National
Super Continental - Dieselized all the way
Faster daily service between
MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER
No Extra Fare
Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up
Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example
Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday
Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday
Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday
Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday
Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday
Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday
Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday
Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver.
Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only.
Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg.
Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol.
............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31).
............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2).
Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver.
Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers.
NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know
Enjoy!
A Holden's please LEON.
TOM Many thanks for the Passenger Train nostalgia on the Canadian National Super Continental. a train that traveled across 4 time zones. Looking at a map I am about the Ottawa and Toronto times.
I have found some info on the the locomotive and coach in the photo I posted Saturday, it does help to look at the right railway. I am sure now it is at Beamish Open Air Museum.
.
The locomotive is a R&H Hawthorne Leslie 0-4-0 Saddle Tank built in 1914 Works number 3056. It was Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery No.14.
The Coach has an interresting history. Built in 1903 it is a North Eastern Railway Composite Clerestory. It was sold to the National Coal Board in 1949 and worked at Ashington Colliery until around 1967 when saved. It must have taken alot of hard work to get her in the condition in the photo.
In my notes I see I had a ride behing two tramcars at Beamish. One was a ex Gateshead tram No.10 and a tram from Oporto Portugal No. 196. I have a link to these cars and some photos I think Rob will like.
http://www.beamishcollections.com/search/default.asp
To get to the trams put Tram 10 in the search box in the link.(The link was too long going straight to the photos) clicking on the photo of No. 10 and 196 gives the details.
Well LEON another round please..
Pete,
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Pete. Looking forward to Alan getting that Tanfield info back to you. I still remember our Co-op members` number, 1492, it`s amazing how numbers stick in your mind, like my old army service number, they are branded in the old memory banks forever. Those old delivery bike`s with the basket upfront must have been hard to ride in the winter. Nice repeat shot of the tank and clerestory roofed coach with the added history of the coach and a very nice link to the Beamish trams`.
Rob. Thank goodness we`ve only had two big winter storms over here, that`s up to now anyway? Couple of fine shots of those old cruiser`s that were the start of the RCN, and a nice set of trolley shots from your museum.
Fergie. Thank`s for that link to the B&O "Big Six".
CM3. It`s funny how thing`s used to stick in the memory when showing a movie for a week or more, was your Dad a projectionist as well?
Dan. Good to see you in on a quick visit.
Eric. Hope your temperatures` are getting back to their usual range now.
Tom. Nice looking photo of that railbus at the MOT, Kirkwood. A couple of good flicks` for the weekend, a suspense starring Harrison Ford, and a train flick with the inimitable Burt Lancaster. A fine spread of pix of your Dallas RDC trip with Dick and the link to your trip report on Page 80 in Aug 2005, and a very interesting write up on the CNR "Super Continental" with the time zones` in your "Our" Place Passenger Train Nostalgia. If someone impersonated Al Jolson over here these day`s they would be publicaly ostracised, notice that I did`nt use that dreaded word beginning with "C"!
See ya, Allan
Good evening Leon , just when you thought you could close the door in came a customer Just a Keith's for me please , I'll leave some cash for a round for the before noon bunch.
Tom-Nice to see the CN material from the basement , and your Dallas trip from the deep sub basement Great shots of the TRE and all it's facilities.Too bad about Dick, he was a good customer for quite a while,I always thought it was odd the way he disapeared I guess retirement was too busy for him.
Pete-More wonderfull shots,I liked the Beamish link as well thanks for sharing. When 327 went back to Toronto for it's one day of festivities it was the star of the show ( it is at the museum at any rate ) but it was nice to have it back where it could really stretch it's legs so to speak.
From what I undersatnd the Niobe and it's sisiers were not great sea boats, and they were underpowered for their bulk.They were shrunk down versions of the two Powerfull class ships,layout was the same except for the weapons fit and the engines.
I see that you have found the problem with having Vito serve as the in bewteen guy on the MVG subscriptions,go for the two year rate ( the fine print for the single year rate will charge you for the two years anyway )
Dan-Nice to see you in this afternoon,I hope you can arrange to meet Pete.We all look forward to the next installment of the Paris adventure,
Allan-Glad you liked the photo's.Sounds like you are having a good winter,no terrible hurricanes or typhoons is a good thing.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, Monday night, that means it is time for my Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich with Fries!! Tuborg Gold, please!
I can tell it is getting close to my trip now. Too little time for everything that has to be done! I wonder why?
Allan – Yes, that guy ran away, but not far enough. The worst part is that he actually drove away! Pomona is a very interesting place to visit. 30 is a very good number, personally I stick to 27++ and I have done that since I was 27. Rob – This area, where I live, is ranked as a nice area but I would say it is slowly getting worse. Not bad, but a not so good area is less than a mile away, south of us. In a way we got the SUV back, my wife bought a similar one as replacement. Tom – There has been recent shootings (and car thefts and burglaries) in upscale areas in the Valley so I think one will never be 100 % safe. Hold it, you can’t just let your photos/slides get thrown away the day you are gone! I don’t know what kind of photos you have but I bet there are X number of very interesting ones! Both for your family and maybe even for some train buffs! You better warm up the scanner!Glad you liked the pictures!Two very good movies this week at the Emporium! I have seen Air Force One and I think (but I’m not sure) I have seen The Train as well, many years ago. But I’ll be glad to see them again!Thanks for the photos of the TRE RDC’s! It’s interesting that they bought pretty old RDC’s for their commuter service! I’m going to go back to your original trip report and read it.Canadian National Super Continental, I bet that was a nice train to ride for a few days! Twice a week?
Mail received. Thank you!Fergie – Thanks fort the info on the B&O S-1 and S-1a! I like the Big Boy photo I posted. As you mentioned, it shows the size of Big Boy very clearly. I didn’t think about it when I took the picture but I saw it when I checked it afterwards.Rob – Classic ships! Is any of those two still around? Thanks for the photos of the old streetcars! I like the Witt’s! I bet they sounded pretty good inside, when they were running. CM3 – It is sad when things like that happens. Knife fight doesn’t sound nice at all. Hope everyone survived (at least the victim(s). As you said, it’s something for the next Rendezvous! Not a drumhead, but a logo!? That makes sense! I’ve put “The Climax” on my list of books to look for! DL – Thanks for the round!Pete – Geez, you are in trouble with Vito! You better be careful! Yes, it would take a lot of money to get the Big Boy in running condition again. But it would be very interesting to see one back on the tracks! Why I am not surpised to hear that your lawn is staying green this year? Did you by chance get some rain this summer? Thanks for the info on R&H Hawthorne Leslie! Built 1914, will be 100 years pretty soon! The coach to me looks like late 1800’s, but I am sure your year, 1903, is correct. Allan – Our temperature is back to normal, which means around 105ËšF (41ËšC) this time of the year.
Just two photos tonight!
Rusty!
A place where I spend way too much time. I just noticed that I missed to include the plaques from Rendezvous II and III. The edge of the one from number II can barely be seen at the top right corner.
Eric
It's THAT day at the Saloon by the Siding - the day AFTER Monday! <geesh> Best thing about this day is "Our" Place ‘n The Mentor Village Bakery case goodies along with a freshly ground ‘n brewed mugga Joe. And of course our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board.
Petrol has dropped BELOW the $3.40 (US) level up at "Collusion Corner." Still at least 2 bucks more than it should be ‘n to think many are "thankful." <geesh> <barf>
Weather report continues to be unbelievably good for this time of year in this part of the continent. Amazing, simply amazing. Saw a stat on the tube indicating that last year the average high temp for the 1st fifteen days of August was 97 (F) - this year it's 86 (F). We'll take it.
NOTE: An Email was sent on Monday to our <GoR> - please check your in boxes, Gents!
Monday - August 18th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 9 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:49 AM: "In" with quarters for the Coal Scuttle <feeds Herr Wurlitzer> ‘n a ROUND for the boyz!
Belching smokestacks <cough> <hack> <wheeze> <sneeze> The good ole days, eh <grin> But the symbolism isn't lost!
We need to keep track of the answers provided to the questions <possibly repetitious> asked by one Sir Moderation. Seems to me he's flirting with a <tweeting> for a Rules Violation . . . <uh oh> But, nice of you to continue providing such in depth responses - helps with the ongoing ED-U-MAH-KAY-SHUN for the ilk at the bar! <grin>
Shootings, knife fights ‘n car thefts - I must be living in <la la> land by comparison. Last time I looked, the FBI stats had St. Louis as #1 in violent crime - so there! <grin> Fortunately, we don't live in St. Louis! <phew>
Talk of theatres in terms of employment brings to mind a brief stint I had as an usher at one of our local movie houses <The Ritz>. Was a blast . . . 55 cents an hour at that! <wow>
Good RR research "tips" . . .
Appreciate the visit, as always!
Page 9 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:27 AM: Mid-mornings are always better when our Manager is about the decks!
Sky hasn't been quite the same as we look to the north ‘n see that strange glow . . . Don't know if it has anything to do with YOUR FORMER gal, Queenie - but fer sure, something's going on up there in Mountain Village! <uh oh>
Nice spate o' Pix from our Resident Ontario Connection! Particularly liked the trolley with the fall splendor in the background!
That shot of the open-air trolley brought to mind this one from Rendzvous I:
Yeah, I know - same one. I recall Heather telling me that it was her favorite car as she was point out this ‘n that on our most memorable Saturday <our "extra day"> visit to the Halton County museum!
Oh yeah - Ruth has requested time away for a loooooooong weekend - told her she'd have to run it by you, but she began to tremble, so I approved it! What's going on Hmmmmmmm. Surely you wouldn't want to get on the "cross side" of the Larsman, wudja Anyway, she leaves on Thursday, returns for work on Tuesday . . . Cindy will work the bar <remember: she's mine, mine, mine 'n is not one of the hired hands!>
Appreciate the visit ‘n good cheer!
Page 8 - Dan <DL-UK> at 1:17 PM <7:17 PM GMT>: "In" with a directed Post for Sir Moderation . . . and a ROUND!
Page 8 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:08 PM: Yes, it was Winnie who made that comment . . . must've been his Brit-side, eh <grin>
So, Vito has begun sending out the renewal notices. Hmmmmmm - I'd pay that straight away if I were you . . . and call the Customer Disservice number for info on how to obtain back issues! Yeah - good luck! <yikes> <uh oh>
Speaking of Steel Rails to Victory - I'm expecting an Email from Nick any day regarding the forwarding of it to Shane . . .
It was a fine day in Dallas ‘n there's a bunch more fotos in the archives. Just have to sort ‘em out - but I'll provide a few more. Glad you liked ‘em!
You do realize that questions asked of Fergie are destined to the "heap" of unanswered queries, dontcha <geesh> By the time he gets back, who knows when we'll see him ‘round here . . . <triple geesh>
We've really "made out" this year with the watering of our lawn - although the past couple of weeks have been rather dry, the ground is still moist from the near-record rains we've had since early spring.
It would be good if you could meet up with Dan over in Merrie Olde . . . I'll "sanction" it as a semi-OH-FISH-UL Brit "Our" Place Rendezvous. But keep in mind the PRECEPTS - can ONLY be a bona fide Rendezvous if attendees are "Our" Place customers. That's why it'll have to be semi-OH-FISH-UL. <grin>
Many thanx for the visit, ROUND ‘n inclusive remarks!
Page 9 - Pete <pwolfe> at 6:54 PM: Turned the Page to 9 - but no hoopla these days. Just another Page en route a LOCKDOWN! <barf> And there's no evidence of any other Thread being singled out since we were "hit" at the end of July . . . Hmmmmmm.
Back with another foto - detailed description - a link ‘n a ROUND!
Fine looking foto of the train with such a splendid surrounding - white picket fence 'n brick tower! All in a manicured setting . . .
A coach with a working history from 1903-1967 is simply amazing. Fortunately it has been persevered - it deserved it!
Mention of a basket on a bike brought back memories of mine when I delivered newspapers . . .
The CN Super Continental traveled the route currently used by VIA Rail's Canadian . . . whereas the CP version, called The Canadian, used a bit more of a southerly route through what some believe is even more picturesque country in Alberta ‘n British Columbia. I've only experienced the VIA route ‘n think the scenery is splendid - simply splendid.
Good looking trams in that link, by the by!
Page 9 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:49 PM <4:49 PM Tuesday NZ time>: My original service number is etched in what's left of my grey matter - also my officer's signal number too. Our service did away with all of that back in the 70s when the system went to social security numbers. But you are oh so correct about things getting stuck in the mind. I still remember our first telephone number from the 40s - was a party line . . .
Simply amazing that things like that still reside up there - but where in bloody blazes are the car keys <grin>
It's a <censored> shame that so many aspects of our lives have gotten out of hand thanx to whoever is responsible for this thing called political correctness. That along with branding virtually everyone ‘n everything with the R-word, sorely ticks me off. <arrrrgggghhhhh> - Boris, a double belt in their OJ this AM! <phew>
Thanx for mentioning the rail bus atop the AM Acknowledgments . . . good to know these things are noticed!
From The Mentor Village Gazette: Projectionist Caught in Sproket
Charlie Brightlite, Emporium Theatre's Chief Projectionist ‘n pop corn vendor was found Sunday evening in a most compromising position. Unsubstantiated reports from The Mentor Village Life Squad ‘n Live Bait Farm suggest that Charlie, in the act of changing film reels "on the fly" somehow managed to catch a delicate part of his anatomy in a projector sprocket wheel . . . <continued on page 23>.
I do hope your subscription is current for the rest of the story! <grin>
Thanx for the visit, chat, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Page 9 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:49 PM: If ever a guy was meant to be a sailor, I'd surely nominate you! You're a natural at things nautical . . . except of course in your choice of <ahem> certain traveling companions. <uh oh>
Yeah, when Dick departed the scene it kinda surprised everyone. I had communicated with him regularly right up ‘til the end - then gone-zo - zip, zero, zilch. He provided us with some very interesting insights ‘n stories. Even connected with us from Europe ‘n Africa if memory serves correctly . . . A most personable guy to spend a day with. The first guy from the bar that I met in person . . . You may be correct - retirement from his globe trotting career may very well have been the reason. Guess we'll never know. <groan>
Perhaps the only regrettable aspect of his tenure here was his unwillingness to engage in an inclusive manner . . . but, we've had a lot of that over the years - at least he engaged! Given the amount of material we were amassing back in those times, it was a chore to catch-up after a couple of days absence, let alone a few weeks. Hope all's well with him ‘n his. <clink>
Am I seeing a connection between our Manager ‘n Vito's Subscription Service ‘n Body Cast Shop Hmmmmmmm. <uh oh> Get one year for the price of two - such a deal! <yikes>
Many thanx for the cash for a ROUND on this day ‘n of course your visit ‘n fine chat!
Tuesday - August 19th:
Page 9 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:57 AM <11:57 PM Monday Sandbox time>: Back to the NOCTURNAL ways out there in the desert, eh
Good view of your work area - pleased to know that you've mounted those Rendezvous plaques! Would hate to think they are gathering dust somewhere . . . <groan>
My slides do not contain even one train shot that I can recall - didn't do those things back then. All of a time in my previous life - long gone - over ‘n done. Nah, there's no one to pass them on to . . . I recall seeing an ad <many years ago> to turn in negatives ‘n slides for the silver content. That was back when the world was experiencing a dramatic rise in precious metal prices. Hmmmmmmm.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a place on Earth that is 100% safe ‘n secure. However, my way of looking at it is why tempt the fates Go with the averages - high crime areas are high crime areas no matter how one paints the picture. Before moving to this part of the county, I lived in an area that was rapidly going down hill in terms of security. People had started to put bars on basement windows ‘n doors. That was all I needed to begin the hunt to get the blazes outta there. And I was right - crime is outta sight in that area now. Just my two-cents.
Perhaps Rob can add more to the discussion, but the rail travel back then between eastern Canada ‘n western featured more than one named train. No, CN's Super Continental ran daily, according to my 1956 Official Guide of the Railways . . . their Continental was a daily run too. CP ran The Canadian and The Dominion on a daily basis as well.
As you know, the rail equipment manufactured back in the day was made to last - and last those RDCs have! I have a CD of the reworking of them up in Canada. They took ‘em down to the frame - yes, every part of the car was dismantled ‘n refurbished, including remanufacturing parts no longer available through "stock" sources. Simply amazing. At the TRE facility outside of Dallas are bins ‘n bins of gears, motors, etc. just sitting waiting to be used. They surely did it right. Probably gave those RDCs a new life, fer sure, fer sure.
Just as with the Pennsy GG1s, those Big Boys won't be up ‘n running ever again. I've read where in either case it's pretty much a done deal that all they'll be good for are static displays. <sad> With the Pennsy it's the electrical situation more than anything else, with the Big Boys just deterioration of parts no longer available, etc.
Many thanx for your < I3 > Post, good cheer ‘n fotos!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Nice morning here today temperatures in the 50s and a bit of fog, but it's supposed to be warmer later on today. Gas is $3.89 here - highest price in the state, but there is no collusion.
Pete - In steam days, Broadway usually got a pair of K4s which was typical PRR practice. Thanks for the information on the coach - it was probably used in an employee train? Again a not uncommon practice over here as well.
Rob - The nasty stuff is supposed to be applied next week - if the weather permits - we will see. Anyway, we have a stand-down plan in place for whenever it starts. IO went out and read the MSDS for this material; my liver started falling out when I read some of the compounds involved and then we got to the PPE part of the sheet - yikes! It's worse than the punchbowl at the darts tournament! Let me know if you decide to venture down to Cass.
Also, a lovely picture of the open car. I remember riding old Connecticut Company open cars at Seashore back in the long ago; the Conn. Co. cars were bigger, of course.
I was watching the Olympics the other day and they were showing rowing. There were many cyclists in the background pacing the rowers. Brought to mind the old Harvard-Yale boat races when the New Haven ran special trains with bleacher-equipped cars so folks could pace the regatta events as they occurred. That would be something to model. Staufer's New Haven Power has pictures of them, IIRC.
Allan - No, he was an usher.
Eric - As a starting point, the Climax book sold for $67.95 when new. I got mine from Barnes and Noble for much less, even with shipping. Good hunting. BTW, Sunkist locomotive did not belong to them originally - at least I can't find it.
OSP - Texas fight! Great pictures of your trip to the Trans-Mississippi Department. They have an interesting collection of locomotives and cars as well as their RDC cars. I was impressed by the quality of the track and roadbed as well. Also, nice CN offering as well. Your comments re preservation were well taken. The big problem with the G motors in addition to the current distribution system which has changed over the years, is the fact that they were full of PCBs. We had some in our electrical installations as well and they cordoned off the place when they changed them out - truly nasty stuff. E mail rec'd and I will reply offline a bit later.
work safe
Shane was "in" with his typical mornin' chat, quarters 'n ROUND! Fine way to begin the day, eh Youbetcha!
Continuing on with my 2005 Dallas trip are fotos from a most memorable day with Dick Watkins riding the rails . . .
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Hello Tom and all in
Pint of Holden's Golden Glow for me please (Pete you were right about the name!)
Tom - enjoyed your schedule for the Super Continental. You're right about enjoying the ambience of the rail environment - that is what I like - people coming and going, things happening, bursts of activity and such and such - more on that later.
Rob - glad you appreciated the Vimy Ridge material - for me ‘Vimy' and ‘Dieppe' are 2 important words in the catalogue of Canadian action - but that is not to undermine the contribution in other areas of course - far from it!
CM3 - interesting to read that you found the NCB stuff useful - big employer round here once also with all the support equipment manufacturers etc in the area plus all the ancillary staff at their Regional HQ here - all gone now sadly. I have a pair of NCB steel toe capped Wellington Boots (do you guys use the phrase ‘Wellington Boot'? - fine quality - still use em - must be 15 years old now.
Allan - thanks for the Whitley Bay cinema memories!
Eric - nice selection of photos from here and there - enjoyed them. Free peanuts a luxury - things are not good!
Pete - look forward to details of your UK visit in the fullness of time. Would be good to check out the Holdens and the Bathams with more thoroughness!
Yes, look forward to hearing more about Ashford visit some time - I guess we are talking about Class 33 and 73, maybe some of he special SR DEMUs - I think Tom would be interested in them. No doubt some of the special narrow bodies stock constructed for the London - Hastings line that required a narrow body due to restricted clearances on this line.
Tom - check the pic on this site:
http://www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk/ashford/
Anyway - was going to say that Fradley Canal Junction was certainly and interesting place - it is busy with holiday boats now but over 50 years ago must have been a key location on the network as it is where the Coventry canal meets the Trent and Mersey canal - right at the heart of the UK canal system I guess.
Some modern day pics are here. The pub I went into is The Swan - and very good it was too.
http://www.staffordshire-photographs.co.uk/fradley_canal_junction.html
Anyway - whilst looking for it I got slightly lost near Fradley - finding myself in a confusing network of giant truck distribution depots and sheds - most very ugly and a blot on the landscape - however, then all of a sudden I found some large ‘hanger' style buildings and realised this must have been the site of a WW2 airfield of some sorts.
I looked this up later and it turns out this was RAF Lichfield, a bomber station and later bomber training airfield. The hangers were big enough for large bombers and I understand at one point it was also used by the USAAF (Flying Fortresses), and also a location for Commonwealth bomber crews.
Rob - esp I think you will be interested in this:
http://www.raf-lichfield.co.uk/home.htm
Some of the vast hangers can be seen in these pics from the 1970s
http://www.controltowers.co.uk/L/Lichfield.htm
Looks like the airfield closed as long ago as the late 1950s.
I got rather lost on a new confusingly laid out housing estate on part of the site - turns out some of the roads there were named after flying crew killed in an accident at the site (I think Australian Crew). It is good to see that commemorated.
Anyway - back to Paris:
2 major stations I did not have time to visit were Montparnasse (which serves West SW France - I left this out as it is a very modern building and design wise slightly boring - and Gare St Lazarre. A shame I did not have time to take in the later as it is more interesting - servicing suburban trains and Normandy services.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_Montparnasse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_Saint-Lazare
I did however have the opportunity to visit 2 others and I decided to head off to see them quite late one evening to get a sense of the night time action.
First of all Gare De Lyon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Lyon
As can be seen from the pics here this is an impressive and ornate building. I was there late Sunday eve so a lot of travellers were heading back to Paris - the station is now given over to TGV high speed services from south of France and it was impressive to see these pull in - some double deck units, others two units coupled together to double seating capacity - these trains were packed with people heading in to the city (it was about 11pm) and impressive to see them unload such high passenger numbers.
I checked out the famous Train Blue bar / restaurant to see if I could get a drink at this late hour but unfortunately they had stopped serving.
I then checked out the last of the 6 major terminus stations - Gare D'Austerlitz - which was actually rather run down - but despite that by far the most atmospheric of the places I visited. Really impressive. The overall roof certainly needs a wash and lick of paint but late that evening it was sea of human and rail activity.
The station serves SE France and Spain and I guess the scene was closest to what north American stations may have been like at night back in the classic era. All the trains were loco hauled so there was plenty of light engine activity - and a number of overnight departures (at least one with 15 plus carriages for Spain) were preparing for departure. Large queues of people waiting to board and get their sleeper berths allocated etc, as well as late evening departures (not overnight) down to places south of Paris.
Reading the entry here it seems some high speed services are to be transferred tot his station - so it will probably loose some of the atmosphere I enjoyed that night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_d'Austerlitz
It is also possible to walk along the road beside the tracks which is at an elevated level for a good view over the tracks fanning from the station - that way I could watch activity at the head end and some of the departures pulling out, plus the associated shunting moves. It was all good stuff!
All the best to all
A treat from across the pond on this Tuesday from Dan <DL-UK>!
And now, from the sub-basement archives room . . .
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #12
New York Central Railroad
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
<A form of this was initially Posted on 30 Sep 2005, Page 122 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Passenger trains of note: Chicagoan (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) Chicago Mercury (Chicago-Detroit) Cincinnati Mercury (Cleveland-Cincinnati) Cleveland Mercury (Detroit-Cleveland) Cleveland Limited (New York-Cleveland) Commodore Vanderbilt (New York-Chicago) Detroiter (New York-Detroit) Detroit Mercury (Cleveland-Detroit) Empire State Express (New York-Buffalo) James Whitcomb Riley (Chicago-Cincinnati) Knickerbocker (New York-St. Louis) Lake Shore Limited (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) The Michigan (Chicago-Detroit) Motor City Special (Chicago-Detroit) New England States (Chicago-Cleveland-Boston) Ohio State Limited (New York-Cleveland-Cincinnati) Pacemaker (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) Southwestern Limited (New York-St. Louis) 20th Century Limited (New York Chicago) Twilight Limited (Chicago-Detroit) Wolverine (Chicago-Detroit-New York)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Enjoy! Tom
A pint of Holden's Glow please RUTH.
ALLAN Yes I am pretty good at remembering numbers but have trouble with names, ask the bride. I can recall my check numbers from work right back to the day I started.
Yes the old Co-Op bike kept me fit, no gears and with a load of groceries in the basket you knew about it. I had a major tyre blow out on it once, a lad I knew was across the street and he jumped about 6 foot in the air when it went which made me laugh, I did not laugh long though, for about a week I had to deliver by sack barrow. The bike had to go to the Co-Op repair shop; if I had known I would have fixed it myself.
That coach did have an interesting history and I did not know that the Gateshead Tramcar No.10 worked on the Grimsby and Immingham tramway, that was owned by the Great Central and lasted in to BR days.
ROB Thanks for the kind words on the photos and I hoped you would like the link to the Tramcars. What speed was No.327 allowed to get to on her return to the streets of Toronto.
It is strange, but just by the look; Niobe looks not a ship to be in with rough seas to me.
Thought it best to pay up for the MVG subscription although not seeing a copy yet, mind you VITO has promised my ‘Mid-Missouri Cricket Monthly' will arrive as soon two teams get together and play a match.
ERIC As I said to Rob I have decided to pay VITO.
As you say it would take a great deal of money to get a Big Boy running again but the publicity it would generate would be immense and I bet all the railtours it ran would be sold out.
Yes although the coach was built in 1903, I bet the first coach of that design was built some years earlier.
Many thanks for the photos, your study looks very tidy, I seem to recognize the scanner and noticed the two different times on the clocks.
CM3 Thanks for the info on the Pennsy Broadway in steam days.
Thinking about it, I am surprised I have not seen an article in one of the British railway magazines about the services ran for the miners on the NCB railways. I believe the NCB had a very large system in the North East of England and I am sure other areas must have had large systems as well. Quite a few unique locomotives and cars survived for preservation as they had long lives on the colliery railways after they had been bought from the main line companies.
DL Yes we will have to check out a few West Midland brews, The Holden's Mild is a great drink to have first and perhaps a visit to Sarah Hughes Beacon Hotel in Sedgley for a Ruby Mild and old English Mild of about 6% strength though.
http://www.quaffale.org.uk/php/brewery/491
I still can't find my notes for the Ashford open day yet but if old memory serves I think the locomotives and the DEMUs were being overhauled at Eastleigh works at the time and I think the Hasting units had been withdrawn at the time of my visit. I did get a ride in them on one of my early railrover days from Hastings to London. It is great to see, in the link, that the preserved Hasting units have been on passenger service on the Ashford to Hastings line.
Many thanks for the link to the Fradley Canal Junction. The Oxford Canal, that passed my old home, connected to the Coventry Canal and as a kid in the 1950s and early 60s there was a lot of coal traffic on the canal.
It was interesting that having got slightly lost you came across RAF Lichfield it is good to see that unfortunate aircraft crew commemorated in the street names today.
Really enjoyed the second part of your visit and links to the Paris stations. It sounds Gare D' Austerlitz is a real gem with all loco hauled trains and a busy night scene. It does seem the station will not be the same if those High Speed Services are added to the station.
TOM Good photo of No.327. It seems Ruth gets more holidays than I do.
I think it may well be Queenie who is manning Vito's ‘Customer' advice line; most of her advice is not physically possible anyway..
It will be good to see DL while I am in the old land we will certainly have a Bathams or two for you.
Know exactly what you mean about the lockdown.
Glad you enjoyed the photos and the links. I bet the number of people carried by that 1903 coach in its day would be amazing.
On the bike you had, did the basket on the front stay straight when the front wheel was turned it took some getting used to at first.
Thinking about the Super Continental, I was trying to remember on whether it was the CN or the CP route that Hudson was on in that great film we saw at the I-Max cinema at Exporail.
I guess we ought to hold a benefit night at the bar for poor old Charlie
Many thanks for those great photos from the cab of RDC # 2011 in Dallas. It is a view that a lot most people never get to see even a dome car can not give the perspective that is seen from the cab.
Enjoyed the Fallen Flag on the NYC. It seems as although not as many electric locomotives as the PRR the NYC still had 65 of them in 1963. I noticed the two named trains that served the New York St Louis route. The Pacemaker drumhead has a1930s style about it I liked..
Well RUTH I had better get a round as I am running a bit late and LEON will be in soon.
Pete.
An evening appearance in order to catch up . . .
Tuesday - August 19th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 9 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:02 AM: Straining the few remaining functioning brain cells to figure out why petrol prices are 50 cents higher where you are than here in mid-continent USA. Hmmmmm. No, no - PU-LEEZE don't try to explain! <yikes>
Email received ‘n responded to - thanx!
Glad you're enjoying my 2005 Dallas Rail Adventure fotos . . . Too bad we don't have a "connection" in Dallas, for it would be a fine place for a Rendezvous - although when I was there in was hotter ‘n the shades of Hades. <phew> Hopefully, the month of May would be more tolerable . . . Anyway, Rendezvous IV in WVA ought to be most comfortable with the temps . . .
Mention of the Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match III brings to mind that once Sir Moderation returns from the UK, we'll be getting ready for that event again . . . Probably will get it organized before he departs . . . better safe than sorry, eh
Boat racing in New England - ahhhhhh, the games of the rich ‘n famous, Used to watch ‘em occasionally in the Charles River . . . always thought it would be far better to have a "drum beater" aboard, attired in a furry animal skin with a Viking helmet, of course! <grin>
So, who put the PCBs into the GG1s in the first place Who put the Ram in the Ram-a-lang-a-ding-dong Tar ‘n feather the rascals - keel haul ‘em - walk the plank! <arrrrggggghhhhh> <grin> Probably a conspiracy brought upon by . . . nah, couldn't be - "He" wasn't in office then. <yikes>
Quarters, ROUND ‘n most inclusive offering very much appreciated!
Page 9 - Dan <DL-UK> at 12:17 PM <7:17 PM GMT>: Looks like a valiant effort to catch up from our Resident Brit in Sherwood Forest!
Wellington is a common reference to boots over here as well . . .
Free anything is a luxury aboard U.S. domestic flights these days <daze> . . . in fact the PC peanut crowd has pretty much frightened the daylites outta most people because of perhaps one in a zillion having an allergic reaction aboard an aircraft to them. So, now it's some concoction in a 1/8th ounce package resembling the bottom remnants of a Trail Mix . . . IF you're in 1st class that is! <arrrrggggghhhhh>
Arrange for a ride up in the cab of those DEMUs ‘n I'll figure out a way to get over to Sherwood Forest! Nice link - thanx!
Checked out those Fradley Canal shots too!
The links to the Paris train palaces are super-fine ‘n appreciated!
And finally, the RAF links are always a trip back to when the world was in a most dangerous position. Wonder what's changed, eh Different people with different MoSheens, but in some cases, the objectives seem to be similar.
Guess I'm way behind the curve, for I'm in the dark regarding the "famous" Train Blue Bar . . . <grin>
Sounds as if your weekend aboard EuroStar ‘n time in Paris worked out to your satisfaction. Many thanx for providing us with some insights ‘n links!
Appreciate the visit, informative chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 9 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:55 PM: Now, now - Ruth surely doesn't get MORE time off than you. Good Gawd Gertie, are you serious I mean are you SERIOUS <triple geesh> I surely hope you're not smoking that "funny stuff." <yikes>
So, you've encountered Queenie's "bedside manner" on Vito's Customer Disservice Line, eh She sure puts the X in explicit! <uh oh>
By all means HAVE a Bathams "for" me - but just don't TRY it! <grin>
The Royal Hudson we saw on that OmniMax presentation was along the CP route . . . we really must make a return trip to ExpoRail ‘n plan a Chaleur round trip in conjuction with it!
I'll probably not have an experience to match that of the TRE RDCs down in Dallas in 2005. Just a terrific thing for Mr. Watkins to put together . . . he really would've fit in well with the group at all of our Rendezvous crew! A shame he's gone-zo . . . Perhaps you are correct regarding the view from the cab, but I'll take a dome any time any where! But having said that, I must admit - just standing there watching the right-of-way seemingly "coming at you" is something else indeed!
Surely wasn't any problem traversing the distance between New York City ‘n St. Louis by rail - back in the day. I'd be aboard the Pennsy - the Jeffersonian lounge of course! <grin> Although I'd probably have to "try" the NY Central too!
Many thanx for the always inclusive comments, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Good evening Leon , a nice day today lots of rounds bought and some good info out there. So I'll pop for a round and a nice cold Keith's for myself. I might as well "try" it.
Tom-I've heard from a reliable sorce up in the villiage ( Lance ,Vito's manicurist/hair stylest ) that the glow we've been seeing is Queenie's aroma therapy candles. Apparently made from a family mixture consisting turpintine,clove oil,skunk extract and a lot of rose water.All bonded with creosote.
Nice info on The NYC and more fine pictures from your day in Dallas. I'm guessing that TRE bought the load of parts you saw when they purchased the RDC's from VIA.It is amazing how well those old cars can hold up if they are properly maintained by those who give a rat's patoot.
I don't know why Ruth was affraid to ask , I'd never say no to her requests.She must have heard the disscussions with the Chandler on his every other weekend off requests.I just hope we get some work out of Cindy,with you hovering about when she's here it can get awkward Still if she's noty a hired hand then maybe she's a hired "leg"
Yes 327 is Heather's baby. She's as possesive of it , as you are of Cindy
Dan-A fine catch up and more wonderfull websites for me to explore.Actually Heather will really like them as she's the plane buff It does indeed look like it was a fine trip,with lots to see and do.
Pete-A smart man pays Vito's bills with no questions asked.I see that he cancelled the extra large order of Cement form the plant, and has instead gone with their normal monthly order of one ton of sacked concrete.
I've heard that a lot of those ram bowed ships tended to ride rough.remebering too that both those cruisers were on the cat C reserve ( activation in wartime only ) lists of the Royal Navy before we were generously sold them.Seems to be a pattern there.
When 327 was back in Toronto she only ran on the parade route which ran a nice slow pace of 25 miles an hour,which was notch six of eight on 327 !
Shane-Ahh so the nasty stuff awaits, sounds like a good couple of days to take your crews out on some on the sight tours etc.Sounds like they might as well be using mercury for the roofing material.
If we get out to Cass I'll definatly let you know
Eric-Niether of those ships survved beyond the 1920's. They were replaced by six minesweepers an two old ex RN destroyers,until the Canadian government built the first six new destroyers for the navy in the early 30's . Very few ships of that vintage survive anywhere in the world. I can only think of a handfull. The cruiser USS Olympia in Philly , the Imperial Russian Cruiser Aurora in St Petersburg Russia , the Japanease Battleship Fuji, I can't think of any others.
So Leon since we are all still here how about another Keith's I need to try another to make sure I do like it.
I figured that I'd pop back in with a few more photo's,museum stuff again.As Shane had mentioned this morning 327 is a small ten bench open car with a single truck.We do have one double trucked open car similar to the Conn one's he mentioned. Both types were common on the Canadian street railways as well , but few people had the foresight to preserve them so ours is the only canadian one that's still around .
Some shots of the restoration of London Street Railway #23
Good evening Captain Tom and all present!!
No Leon, just a cold Keith's, please! Can't stay long tonight.
Sorry to be in such a rush, but I am getting short on time to get everything done before I leave on Friday morning. So I have to pass tonight, but will be back tomorrow evening with an inclusive post.
Just read your comment Tom and here is another photo from my den where you can see the two Rendezvous plaques above the door. The picture between the plaques is something I painted (watercolor) in 1956, 13 years old. It shows the house where I spent most of my childhood. It is still standing, looks very much the same, and I will go there during my visit in the old country.
Wednesday's Witticism
A gentle horse is soon curried.
Mid-week, mid-month in mid-continent USA means we've arrived at Hump Day for the work week! Begin the day with us by ordering a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board - fill up the coffee mugs ‘n check out The Mentor Village Bakery case for those freshly baked goodies! <ummmmmmmm>
Page 9 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:36 PM ‘n 9:51 PM: Our Manager provided a two-fer for the gang, which of course juiced up the joint on a quiet Tuesday nite!
Yes, some things one remembers - ‘n when it came to 327, Heather definitely expressed her feelings - I could tell it was most special to her. Perhaps next time, she'll be the operator ‘n we can enjoy the experience!
Notch six at 25 mph - does that infer the gradients are about 4 mph each
Aroma therapy candles <yikes> Methinks that tonic would unclog the nasal passages of a T-Rex! <triple yikes> But Queenie was YOUR GAL, ‘n if anyone would know - YOU surely would! <grin>
I really don't know whether those RDC parts in the TRE facility's storage bins were purchased or just came with the acquisition of the cars OR were cannibalized from units that saw better days. Don't know . . .
Yes, yes - Ruth probably was frightened off as a result of one of those "sessions" you've had regarding our Bar Chandler ‘n his most irregular weekend schedule. Hmmmmmm. Poor gal . . . very sensitive. Perhaps she needs a HUG! <uh oh>
Nice restoration fotos - those kinds of things tell a story of their own, eh
Thanx for the visits, chat, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Wednesday - August 20th:
Page 9 - Eric <EricX2000> at 12:51 AM <10:51 PM Tuesday Sandbox time>: Many thanx for the visit - whether a quick one or normal, it's always a pleasure having our Sandman aboard!
Noticed that your Rendezvous III plaque may need a minor adjustment. The roofline of "Our" Place in the foto appears to be rather high. Just tap the foto a bit <from the top> ‘n it should slide down a bit. Really nice to see them displayed so prominently!
Thanx for squeezing in the time to visit with us!
Good morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Another nice day today for which we are grateful.
DL - We have more than steel toes as the rulebook says we have to have metatarsal guards as well. I was intrigued by what you found while looking for something else - we had a similar situation during the Rendezvous trip to Springfield earlier this spring. Eric posted pictures of the restored station that we found. I also enjoyed more of your travelogue.
Pete - That's why I asked the question about the car in your picture. BTW, New York Central ran RDC trains in WV around Charleston to get kids to and from school. New York Central electrification was (for the most part) around New York City. Main line electrification ran from Grand Central to Harmon where power was swapped out. Power was also swapped out at White Plains - the latter line is all electrified now, something that was done after I left the area. No, Boris, it's not because they thought I couldn't be trusted around electricity!
Rob was by with shop pictures.
Eric - Always a lot of last minute stuff to do, no matter how far ahead you plan.
OSP was by with more track shots - the signals look like the "new" ones that are being installed on both the old C&O and old N&W. Nice rerun batch of NYC material, but I am biased. The book you included is a good one.
PCBs - nothing wrong with them at the time. Kind of like when lead was used as a gasoline additive. As one of my IH friends says, "It's all about discovering that we didn't know as much as we thought we did."
Back in the day, the NYC St. Louis train was the "Southwestern.' It was right up there with the "Century" in terms of appointments, services, etc. Here's a 1950-era sample consist for those who might be interested.
Train 12 "Southwestern Limited."
Observation lounge sleeping car (5 double bedroom buffet) St. Louis-New York
Lounge Sleeping Car (6 double bedroom buffet) St. Louis-New York.
Sleeping Cars
10 roomette/6 double bedroom; 14 sections St. Louis-New York
10 roomette/6 double bedroom 14 sections St. Louis-Boston (in train 78 from Cleveland)
10 section/1 drawing room/compartment St. Louis-Phoebus, VA (Ft. Monroe) via NYC 416 from Indianapolis, C&O 42 from Cincinnati
10 roomette/6 double bedroom; 4 compartment/4double bedroom/2 drawing room Cleveland-New York (Sat. only)
Dining Car St. Louis-Buffalo
Buffet breakfast service to New York
Coaches St. Louis-New York; Boston; Cincinnati
Interesting to see that there was a combination of hw and lw cars and lots of interline switching as well.
Shane was "in" - some fine NYC info. Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments . . .
Ruth - looks like this day is a "wash" - go ahead 'n secure for the day. I'm sure you have some things to attend to prior to your flight from Can-Am International . . . We'll miss ya while you're gone. Give our best regards to you-know-who!
Display Cases in the Can-Am Train Room
<each case is 2 x 4 ft ‘n made of Lucite>
(1) Retired U.S. RR passenger trains <case A>
(2) Retired U.S. RR passenger trains <case B>
(3) Retired U.S. RR freight trains <case A>
(4) Retired U.S. RR freight trains <case B>
(5) Retired Canadian RWY passenger trains <case A>
(6) Retired Canadian RWY passenger trains <case B>
(7) Retired Canadian RWY passenger trains <case A - reverse view>
(8) Retired Canadian RWY passenger trains <case B - reverse view>
A pint of Bathams before you go on holiday please RUTH, oh I see you have left already, so it must be Tom behind the bar.
TOM I am a bit confused as usual, was the Gazette article the one about George, I did make a comment about that in my post yesterday near the end of my post (no editing honest).
I thought that great film we saw on the I-Max screen was going on general release but I have not seen anything about it being shown. Yes the Exporail is a museum well worth a return visit and I recall you saying the Chaleur will be running for a few more years,at least, lets hope the train is still formed by those great BUDD cars for a long time to come.
As you say, if Dick Watkins was still with us at the bar there seems plenty to see and do in Dallas for a Rendezvous. I am looking forward to the next Rendezvous in West Virginia.
It would have been great to travel from St Louis to New York out by either PRR or NYC and back by the other back in the day.
Many thanks for the great photos of the display cases in the Can-Am train room. Noticed the GG1s in passenger and freight liveries and enjoyed studying those older Canadian National and Canadian Pacific passenger cars on the 2nd from bottom shelf in the last photo.
ROB I'm real glad VITO and his boys will not have to work overtime this weekend at the concrete galoshes plant.
I guess Niobe was quite an out-dated design when they were sold.
It sounds as though No. 327 would be quite nippy running in notch 8. Many thanks for great photos from your museum of the restoration on London Street Tramway No.23. It is good that the last Canadian example of the type was saved.
ERIC I bet you are looking forward to your holiday now it is nearly time to go on it, I am sure you will have a great time.
It would be great to see a larger photo of the picture you painted, perhaps when you get back.
CM3 Thinking about the NCB passenger trains I wonder if at some pits over an area, the bathhouse was some distance from the pitheads and the trains took the miners to the bathhouse.
I know Iowa Traction has small electric locomotives moving freight I wonder if any of the class 1s use electric traction on freight today.
One of the most unusual school train trips still worked, or at least until fairly recently, must be the one operated by the 15 inch guage Romney Hythe & Dymchurch Railway in Kent.
Many thanks for the details on the NYC Southwestern Limited consist. I see it was possible to travel from St Louis to Boston either by Sleeper or Coach on the Southwestern. I guess there would be a meal service after New York onward to Boston in the cars from train 78.
While looking for the details of the car at Beamish Open Air museum I came across a tour we did to the North East on a Friday night and Saturday September 1993. The tour was the Pathfinder Railtours 'Canny Coalman'. I would like to describe the tour if I may as it visited some places I am sure Allan will be familiar with.
The tour left Birmingham New Street and we traveled overnight and stopped for a time at Carlisle, after which we traveled along the Carlisle to Newcastle line via Haltwhistle. The train was hauled by two class 37s Nos. 37054 and 37219.
Class 37
We arrived in Newcastle in the early morning and I can recall we found a café near the station and had a good breakfast. For the tour of the freight lines we had a class 56 at both ends of the train, they were 56133 & 56107.
Class 56.
The tour took us to Benton North Junction, Newsham Junction and Bates Colliery (Reverse). Then back to Newsham Junc. (Rev) onto Lynemouth Alcan. Another reverse to Ashington Junc.(Rev) then onto Butterwell Junc. and Widderington Junc. where we hoping to go on to the open cast branch but could not as it was occupied.
We then had a trip through Newcastle Station Goods lines and onto Dean Road exchange sidings. We then returned to Newcastle with a tour over both King Edward and the High Level Bridges before handing over to the 37s and returning home via York, Sheffield and Derby.
Well Tom a round please..
Afternoon Tom. Nice of you to let Ruth off to finish some of her last minute stuff <whataguy>.I'll just TRY a Keith's please.
I see that the "unhealthy" glow from the hills has subsided.Most likley due to the Mentor Hazmats requested and repeated orders.That or the creosote plant ran dry. Supprising that no pete has popped by, I'm guessing that Nick's still busy with the MIL,hopefully we see him soon or Boris will slip into his funk that he gets into when his lord and master is absent.
There isn't much of a grade wheer the parade took place.327 was designed for a top speed of about 35 mph at fully bore notch 8.At anyrate she's never run at that speed becuase it's not required so the TTC wanted a nice pace for the onlookers ( and company and paper photographers ) anyway so they set the speed accordingly.Heather was unimpressed by teh speeds at which they used it,however at our insistance the operators were museum members as no one at the TTC would have a clue how to run the car at any rate.It helped that the member was a retired TTC guy so the union was happy as well.
I have to say I was trying not to envision the poor projectionist and his plight from the gazette excerpt.I had no luck however.
Nice to see the equipment cases again, oh what a speacial run day could happen on the days (daze) the retired stuff gets it's occational run.
Eric-Always a ton of running around to do the last few days before a trip,weather it be a one day of a one month trip it's always the same.Looks like you could embark on a third career as a water colour painter
Shane-Was in with some NYC reminicances and some interesting info on the electrification and RDC usuage on the NYC
Well Tom I think I'll leave you a bit of cash for an afternoon round of the best.
Well look at that Sir Pete has made it in Tom I think I'll TRY another Keith's then since I have someone to sit and share it with
Pete-As usual some neat shots of the class 37's. Can't get much more English than them 327 was a bit on the cool side when we run it's airconditioning So we tend to keep the windows closed. We almost had two of those London cars. There were three that weere used in Springbank Park as park buildings. Two were changerooms for the pool the other was a hot dog stand.The food stand car was too modified and deteriorated to be saved,we treide to jack up the other one put the dry rot was to extensive so we got the one and a bunch of bits and pieces from the other to make a complete car.Yes teh Niobe and it's mate weer aboyut ten yeasr past their prime when we got them,and it was not worth spending loads of money to maintain them as the designs were obsolete even by WW1 standards.they served their purpose and their crews were split between eight ships so in the end it all worked out.
Well since I'm back I'll put up another couple of museum shots.
A night shot of Large Witt 2424 in front of Rockwood station.
PCC grinding train W30 and W31 in front of barn 3
1936 built Air electric PCC 4000
1951 built all eelctric PCC 4600
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