G'day Gents!
And this just in from our 24/7 news source - The Mentor Village Gazette!
Proprietor rescinds <tweeting>!
In a rare move this morning, the Proprietor of the tavern known as "Our" Place was forced to rescind a penalty levied upon an irrregular-part time customer at the bar.
Seems that the Proprietor was found guity of NOT READING THE WORDS, which is something he regularly accuses others of. Seems he accused the customer of failing to order food or drink upon entering - a clear violation of rules at the bar.
Therefore, the <tweeting> and follow-up penalty levied upon one Fegmiester <sp> has been lifted. Apologies and restitution for pain and suffering, mental anguish along with loss of self-esteem has been offered in the form of a week's worth of Keiths beverages in bottomless steins.
In other news, the Can-Am County Olympic Swimming Team suffered a humiliating set back this morning <Beijing time> when the women's underwater specialists . . . . <see page 36>
Classified Section:
Free one can of pork and beans with purchase of three bedroom, two bath home.
American flag, 60 stars. Pole included, $100.
Amana washer, $100. Owned by clean bachelor who seldom washed.
Cute kitten for sale. Two cents or best offer.
Free puppies. Part German Shepherd, part dog.
The Mentor Village Gazette
All the news given to fits!
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Later!
Tom
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the signs from the Can-Am Train Room. That is a great metal sign with the U.S. railroad logos, as you say the photo must be enlarged to get the full impact and the two posters from the Polar Express film.
I don't think the UK is nowhere near as foggy as it used to be when I was a kid we used to get some real pea soupers then.
Glad I was able to help out with the Welsh Marches info. Yes the bar is really a great place for learning about this great hobby of ours..
Really great to see the Mentor Village Gazette reporters are still alive and well providing a valuable 24/7 news service and carrying the adverts people want.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos. Yes the locomotive crews must have been made of hard stuff in the old days, imagine running a train in Canada or the Scottish Highlands in the depth of winter with just a tarp keeping the snow a cold wind out. I guess some of the locomotives built in the UK for the colder countries had enclosed cabs.
It is good a Master Mechanic had a locomotive named after him. I guess the Ohio Central steam excursions are popular do they run excursions with their older diesels.
Luckily there was not a ‘reverse angle' (so to speak) camera at the incident with Helga. She has kept silent as to what happened to the judges, but I doubt if they have recovered yet.
ALLAN Hope you had a great I hoped you would like the photo from the Bowes Railway, I don't think the rope incline is working today for demonstrations. I got to and from the Bowes by bus from Newcastle.
I must admit I do like that Caledonian blue livery.
I will post another couple of locomotives from the North East later. I have some info on the loco in the Bowes photos at the end of my post. I have a few photos from Tanfield; I am hoping to get some info in the locomotives in them.
ERIC Glad you enjoyed the photo of the Bowes Railway. I think it was just the brake van No22 pulled it is a steep incline from Springburn, I don't know if they run a demonstration freight wagons on that part of the line.
I think the overhead wires are lower in the UK than in mainline Europe but do not know the exact height. Despite some lines on BR having the clearances increased to accommodate larger containers, some classes of steam locomotives have to have the height reduced from that they ran at in steam days to run on the main line.
Many thanks for the photos; the Yakima Valley Transportation electric is an interesting locomotive. I wonder what the purpose of the semi-circular cover extending from the cab was for. The UP connection can be seen from the color scheme on #297
FERGIE Getting ‘Tweeted', getting it rescinded and free Keith's in a bottom less stein for a week]. I will have to watch my step knowing what the punishment for the next ‘Tweeting' is going to be.
CM3 I will have to have a look at those books at the Barriger Library. It must have been quite a novel experience the radios on the trains, I guess at the time most automobiles were not yet fitted with radios. I suppose the radio dispatching of trains came in at about the same time.
The fog came down really quickly at the Bowes if I remember right. At the time I was disappointed it stopped the rope incline demonstration.
Own up time. The locomotive at the Bowes Railway was not NCB 2 but NCB 22 the works number 2274 was right. No.22 was built in 1949. It was delivered to Springwell Bank Foot then moved to East Tanfield Colliery, next Marley Hill before ending her career at St Anthony's Tar Works in Newcastle on Tyne before being saved for preservation..
Well RUTH a round please, in a bit early today as I have to go out for a while now. Hopefully back later with some photos.
Pete.
As I was about to Post my mid-day offering, along came Pete! Even as slow as things have been 'round here in daylite <'n they surely have!> it's a pleasure to have Shane in his AM slot 'n Pete hold up the afternoon portion. Don't know what we're going to do when the Wolfman is gone for a MONTH! <arrrrrrggggghhhhh>
Finally finished printing out fotos <4x6> from Rendezvous III. <phew> What a stack! Now to place them in albums . . . Doesn't appear that anyone is interested in exchanging discs . . . so, I'll remain content with what I took.
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Eight
The Broadway Limited of the Pennsylvania Railroad
<Initially Posted on 03 Dec 2007, Page 148 at "Our" Place III>
The Broadway Limited was the Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) premier named passenger train, operating one train daily in either direction between New York (or Washington, D.C.) and Chicago. The Broadway ran from 1912 (although its train Nos. 28 and 29 operated from 1902 as the Pennsylvania Special) and outlasted the Pennsylvania Railroad, operating under Amtrak until 1995. The name referred not to Broadway in Manhattan, but rather to the "broad way" of the Pennsylvania Railroad's four-track right of way along a large portion of the route. <from: wikipedia.com>
The all-Pullman Broadway Limited cruises through Metuchen, New Jersey in the Summer of 1961. <Use authorized by trainweb.com>
On June 15,1938, the Broadway Limited was completely re-equipped with lightweight steel cars to replace its heavyweight steel cars. This was the same date that new, streamlined equipment made its debut on rival New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited."
The new, streamlined equipment traversed the 900.7 miles between New York and Chicago in 16 hours: the same timing as the New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited." Though the Pennsylvania's route was 60 miles shorter, slower speeds across the Allegheny Mountains between Altoona and Pittsburgh, PA equalized the two trains' times. <from: wikipedia.com>
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Enjoy!
Back earlier than I expected and missed the rain so a Holden's Special please RUTH.
TOM I will have to try to get on a computer when I am in Britain.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day on The Broadway Limited or the PRR. It must have been quite a daily sight to see the Broadway Limited on the road with a GG1. I guess the regular passengers were quite loyal to ether the PRR Limited or NYC's 20th Century Limited. It would be quite a choice of line to take if travelling on to the West Coast from Chicago.What it must have been to be retired and rich in those days for a railfan.
Some more photos with a North East of England theme.
The first three are of Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery 0-6-2 No. 5 built in 1909 by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn Co. at their Darlington Works as their works No. 3377.The LH&JR had running powers over some BR lines in the area, No. 5 stopped work in 1969 and was bought for preservation in 1970.
1st photo No 5 is at Levisham on her home railway the North Yorks Moors Railway coupled to what looks like a GWR Inspection Saloon she was hauling, on Pickering to Levisham shuttles on a Gala Weekend. I believe No.5 had just been returned to traffic in the photo after an overhaul
Two photos of No.5 at Grosmont, which is the junction from the NYMR to the BR Middlesborough to Whitby line.
At Beamish Museum, North Eastern Railway 0-6-0 No.876 a 1886 T.W.Wordsell design built at Gateshead Works. Most of the class were built as 2-Cylinder compounds and later rebuilt as simple locomotives.In LNER days she was class J21 and in BR days carried the number 65033 and was allocated to Blaydon shed in 1958.
Well RUTH a round please and the Fish 'N' Chip.
I see Pete made it back with a fine foto spread to cheer up the afternoon crowd . . .
which also frees me up to employ the You Post, I Post idea . . .
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Back in the Day
Number Nine - The NYC Twentieth Century Limited
The 20th Century Limited was an express passenger train operated by the New York Central Railroad from 1902 to 1967, during which time it would become known as a "National Institution" and the "Most Famous Train in the World." In the year of its last run, The New York Times said that it "...was known to railroad buffs for 65 years as the world's greatest train." The train traveled between Grand Central Terminal in New York City and LaSalle Street Station in Chicago, Illinois along the railroad's famed "Water Level Route". The NYC inaugurated this train as direct competition to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited, both lines intended for upper class as well as business travelers between the two cities. Making few station stops along the way and as few breaks for water and coal as possible, trains on this route routinely could make the 960.7-mile journey in as little as 15 1/2 hours (but usually in 16 hours): about 60 mph.
Known for its style as well as for its speed, passengers walked to and from the train on a plush, crimson carpet which was rolled out in New York and Chicago and was specially designed for the 20th Century Limited; thus, the "red carpet treatment" was born. <from: wikipedia.com>
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon.
Tom. Many thanks for your extended birthday greetings, I think it is now time to put the clock in reverse mode from now on, never thought i`d reach the 70`s, seems unbelievable to me! Those NZ posters` you posted were new to me (would you believe?), the Dunedin Sunshine Social Club reminded me of the times we spent at the beach at Riverton when we lived down in Invercargill in the 70`s, their`s a mini Soundshell there for concerts etc. Wairake is a thermal area at Rotorua, their are geysers`, hot mud pools`, fumeroles` and a big Hot Spring Spa pool complex in the area. Waitomo Caves` are commonly known as the "Glow-worm" caves, very popular with tourists` they have cave white water inner tube rides` there as well. Very interesting BITD #8 on the PRR "Broadway Limited" with the pix, pamphlets`and book cover, and BITD #9 on the NYC RR "Twentieth Century Limited" with the pix ,those Dreyfuss Art Deco styled 4-6-4 Hudson`s were nice looking machines`. E-mail update received with thank`s.
Eric. Many thanks for your birthday wishes, look`s like it`s time to wind back the clock now, 73 is looking VERY high numberwise! Some fine pix from the Orange Empire Railway Museum from you. I`ll leave it in your capable hands to keep Vito under control.
Fergie. Many thanks for your birthday wishes, birthdays` seem to come around so quickly nowadays. Cool pic of your MESS Rly official coffee mug.
CM3. Many thanks for your kind birthday wishes, I had just enough Tui`s and wine chasers` to work up quite a decent glow, thankfully NO hangover!
Pete. Had a very quiet, but nice, birthday celebration, although I managed to work up a glow with some Tui`s and a couple of wine chasers`. Some lovely pix from you in the NE railway theme set, great shots` of NCB No 5 and NER No876 in NER green, looks a lot better than the dirty black BR days. Sad to hear they are not running the rope way at Bowes nowadays, probably because of some PC safety rule some one`s dreamed up no doubt!
See ya, Allan
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I would like a #5 with fries and a cold Tui, please!
A rainy evening her in the desert. At least for a while, a storm passed over our part of the city and dumped a lot of water andhad a lightning show at the same time. We all survived.
Fergie – Hope we will see a photo of your locos when you have painted them! Something to look forward to. That book, Trackside Grand Trunk sounds interesting. Tom – That plaque is very nice and interesting to look at. Study all the heralds in detail. I’ve never seen it at any other place or in any ad. Almost like one of a kind. What do you mean? Wait for page 36 before we will learn what happened the Can-Am County Olympic Swimming Team? That is not fair! Was it Vito? I know what you can do to cover Pete’s afternoon portion here at the bar, just cancel his trip! Or make sure he is bringing a laptop! Helga will be happy to carry it for him! Very nice photo of the GG1 hauling the Broadway Limited! Interesting info on the Broadway Limited! I guess that was the first train with a telephone for the passengers! Sad story about NYC streamlined train sets in Art Deco style. All scrapped! That is a crime!Here is another photo of RTL #158 coupled to the X2000 when it was first tried in the fall of 1992. In this photo #158 had not yet been painted in the white and blue you saw in the other photo.
CM3 – Must be annoying setting of the metal detectors all the time. I guess you have some kind of letter from your doctor explaining the problem? Metro North, thanks for the info. Pete – In Sweden the normal free height for a truck or bus at a grade crossing is 15 ft when it is an electrified line. If you try to pass with something higher your vehicle will hit signs before you enter the track(s). Thanks for the info on Bowes Railway! I am quite sure the semi-circular cover on #297 is a traction motor blower (to cool the traction motors). There is one over each truck. Interesting photos, but what the heck does NCB stand for? I checked the text but couldn’t find any explanation. Or am I blind? Allan – You don’t have to wind back the clock. Even if you are supposed to be 73 (which is not very high, it’s not even 3/4 of the way to 100) you are not older than you feel you are. I am officially 65 but I feel like 27, hey, where is the brunette? I think you feel close to 27 too! So that is what you are. Thanks for the round! In the basement!
Eric
<CB&Q Zepher at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Friday's Grin
Lines To Make You Smile
I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.
And the end of another work week <for many> has rolled ‘round. Order yourself a <light> or <traditional> breakfast - grab a pastry from the case ‘n fill up those coffee mugs!
Comments from the Proprietor
An explanation: The "You Post, I Post" idea came about when it occurred to me that I was making many submissions to "myself." In other words, too many "back to back" Posts. It seemed logical to wait until someone came by before dropping off a Post of my own <not counting the AM acknowledgments or "specials," of course>. So, if nothing happens ‘round here during the daylite following my AM submission - the entire day will be a wash. The cycle begins anew the next day, etc., etc.
That's one of the reasons I've encouraged daylite Posts, as nite submissions most times receive comments from me the next morning . . . get it Hope so!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Thursday - August 14th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 6 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:54 AM: Seems like you're getting swacked with some wicked storms while we in the middle of the country are basking in a most unseasonably cool August. "They" are calling for lo-90s (F) by mid-next-week. Petrol is still below $3.50 . . .
Here's my version of a GT book cover - "lifted" from "Our" Place II . . . couldn't enlarge Fergie's offering.
Comments for all ‘n some quarters for Herr Wurlitzer along with a ROUND makes for a fine AM start!
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:01 PM ‘n 3:56 PM: "In" with a two-fer for the afternoon - which of course permits me to follow suit in the You Post, I Post idea . . .
And yes - walk the straight ‘n narrow, for there's a most-special "award" awaiting you next time you receive a <tweeting>! <uh oh>
Figured you'd enlarge the "pewter plate" as it's loaded with RR heralds from north America. One of my favorite gifts of all time . . .
We've spoken about vacations ‘n accessing the bar . . . it surely would be nice, but NOT if it defeats the idea of being on holiday!
Can't say we'll survive - for the way things are going, if there's no one to Post during daylite - then I won't be responding ‘n the cycle will only diminish; if you follow my drift. <sad> Of course if you CAN, then by all means we'd luv it!
Your foto spread is <top drawer> ‘n the descriptions make ‘em all the more interesting!
Thanx for the visits, two ROUNDS ‘n inclusive chat!
Page 7 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:32 PM <4:32 PM Friday NZ time>: I KNOW precisely where you are coming from when you speak of the passing of time ‘n "reaching" your 70s. Speaking for me - I guess the adage of the "good" dying young speaks for itself! <grin>
Those NZ posters supposedly were located at a NZ rail station <sorry, but the name escapes me . . . > Anyway, I thought they were unique ‘n something you'd enjoy!
No hangover - that's the goal for me when imbibing . . . therefore, moderation is the word, eh Caveat: Except when with the Interim Governor General! <uh oh>
Appreciate the visit, comments ‘n of course ROUND of Tui!
Page 7 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:20 AM <9:20 AM Sandbox time>: Sorry, but only "subscribers" to the Mentor Village Gazette will "know" the rest of the story . . . <grin>
It seems that each time I look at the heralds on my pewter plaque, I come up with at least one that is new to me. Amazing, isn't it
Ohhhhhhhh, don't even mention Pete ‘n laptop . . . I've been down that road before. <groan> I think he feels that if he can't put it in his black bag, it isn't worth the effort. <yikes> And to cancel his trip would mean I'd have to not only put up with him, but Mrs. Wolfman as well. <uh oh>
That's a great foto of the RTL ‘n X2000! Then again, coming from you - we expect such excellence in fotos!
Also, nice shot of the lower level - Superliner I'm guessing. <sweet>
I've read that when the trains of back in the day were through with their final runs - many of them went to scrappers almost immediately <within weeks>. Wish I could find the reference . . . but anyway, specialty trains probably weren't even thought of as being "worth" of saving - after all an entire industry was about to bite the proverbial dust. <sad>
Take heart, though - for I KNOW there are some smoothsides still around from the NYC 20th Century Ltd days . . . last time I read about ‘em was in connection with the U.S. version of the Orient Express . . .
Raining in the desert <again>! Seems the entire country is upside down in terms of weather patterns - but we'll take the cooler temps any time . . .
Many thanx for the visit, chat, fotos ‘n inclusive comments!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; cofee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had a violent, albeit short-lived thunderstorm last night. Simultaneous lightning and thunder for about 20 minutes so you know it's close by. This one came out of nowhere. Can't wait to see what happens today as the percentage is fairly high for additional rain. The K9 Korps is about ready for therapy.
Pete was by wth pictures and information as well. Nice picture of the NER 0-6-0.
Eric - P Company had phones on several of the trains in the Northeast Corridor. The "Congressional" is one that I recall. We deal with metal situation by knowing the guards - funny how nobody wants to see the scar (lol).
Allen - Remember, it's only a number, it's only a number.
OSP - Broadway returns along with the Century. Others have commented on the list of connections in the pamphlet. Only two of the names on that list survive today. Had the good fortune to ride the Broadway in a bedroom suite one time - excellent trip! Car was the "Elberton." The consist also included a twin-unit diner which was something different.
Broadway remained all Pullman aftter the Century, as Lucius said, "Became profaned with coaches." Interesting part about that was that Century lost passengers to the Broadway after that happened. Both of the books you included in your post are good ones, as you know.
Subscriptions to the Menor Gazette? No doubt payable in Confederate bonds.
work safe
Friday at the Bar by the Ballast ‘n all's well <of course, we strive to make it BETTER-er!> Good to see Shane "in" on this fine day in mid-continent USA where the temps continue to amaze <mid-80s predicted - fair skies!>
Here's a submission from our sub-basement archives room to tickle the fancy of Pennsy luvers!
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #11
Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR)
<A form of this was initially Posted on 28 Sep 2005, Page 120 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA
Mileage:
1950: 10,000
1962: 9,756
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 2,402
Electric: 254
Rolling stock in 1963:
Freight cars: 139,356 Passenger cars: 3,546
Principal routes in 1950:
Philadelphia-Harrisburg-Pittsburgh, PA
New York-Washington, DC
Pittsburgh-Fort Wayne, IN-Chicago, IL
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis, IN-St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh-Cleveland, OH
Baltimore, MD-Buffalo, NY
Wilmington, DE-Norfolk, VA
Chicago-Columbus, OH
Logansport, IN-Louisville, KY
Logansport-Cincinnati
Fort Wayne, IN-Mackinaw City, MI
Columbus-Toledo, OH-Detroit, MI
Passenger trains of note:
Broadway Limited (New York-Chicago)
Clevelander (New York-Cleveland)
Cincinnati Limited (New York-Cincinnati)
Colonial (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
Congressional (New York-Washington)
Duquesne (New York-Pittsburgh)
Edison (New York-Washington)
The General (New York-Chicago)
Golden Triangle (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
Jeffersonian (New York-St. Louis)
Kentuckian (Chicago-Louisville)
Liberty Limited (Washington-Chicago)
Manhattan Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Pennsylvania Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Penn Texas (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Pittsburgher (New York-Pittsburgh)
Red Arrow (New York-Detroit)
St. Louis (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Senator (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
"Spirit of St. Louis" (New York-St. Louis)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami, joint with L&N, ACL and Florida East Coast)
Trail Blazer (New York-Chicago)
Union (Chicago-Columbus, OH)
Of note: In the New York-Florida market, the PRR was a forwarder for many connecting passenger trains from other roads.
Some drumheads of the PRR:
Good morning Ruth , an extra large spiked coffee and a number three if you don't mind.I'll leave a twenty for afternoon rounds for the boys as well as the coal scuttle seems well stocked again this morning One wicked day of storms yesterday really was a "wash" on the upside with all the T-storms we haven't ahd to wash either car this summer
Tom-lots o good stuff from you yeaterday and today.Covered two of the most loved and revered RR's to the Our Place people.I see that teh costs of things in teh Mentor Villiage are still stuck in that time warp,I suspect that Shane's right that a subscription could be had using Cobfederate notes ( somehow I think Vito still prints them )We'll have to look into that flag though <hmmm>
Seems with a bit of digging by our roving reporters and Inspector Clueless,that the object of your affection ( or infection depending )seems to have dual citizenship so expect to see her as often as me,I here that the cleanliless level of the second class has been drastically improved since her hiring.The last food critic to visit survived only with a mild bout of Montezuma's Revenge.
Eric-Interesting shots from the Orange Empire Museum ( another site to see on my bucket list )Intereior shot was of the x2000
Pete-More great photo's yesterday sir Loved em I wouldn't want to even begin tothink what a non-enclosed cabbed steam engine would have been like on the Praires or the North of Scotland.I did talk to a fellow at teh Elgin County Museum in St Thomas a few years back who was retired from teh CNR. He started out as a fireman in the early 40's ad worked heis way up to engineer, retiring in 1979. He said winter in the curtain equiped loco's was an interesting thing. One side of you was blazing hot and you couldn't feel the otherside due to numbness from teh cold wind blowing in through the cab curtains,The engineers on the otherside were usually comfortable as they were fully inside the cab at all times,not having to step out to shovel coal.
Fergie-You likely wouldn't recognize Orangeville anymore.Still alot of farm land but the sprawls generally encroaching. Pop's over 35,000 there now and climbing. Looks like you picked up a good book for the library
Allan-Good to hear that you survived the birthday parties. I figure that it's only fair that they get bigger and better as we get older,eventually we'll forget why were there at some point Canada has had it's share of drab locomotive paibnt jobs over the years as well. I'm glad that they have tried to keep them a bit to the brighter side again. ( at least the shortlines anyway )
Shane-See my comments to Tom. I think you are onto something with the Gazettes paymnet structure.That and Vito seems to have a never ending supply of CSA BANK notes.Even the Mentor Consatbulary seems uninterested in investigating further.
Rob
A bit of activity ‘n some free time at this end makes for a happier bar! Remember, put on a Happy Face! <grin>
Good to see our Manager - missed a day, which of course means a smaller dipper on pay day! And by the by - you DO NOT get another dipper for being the Edtior! <geesh> You're getting just like our Bar Chandler - always conniving . . <yikes>
Here's something not seen before at our digs . .
Named Passenger Trains
from the Classic Era - Number Three
New York Central Railroad (NYC)
Caveat: This list is for the enjoyment of those frequenting "Our" Place. It is not intended to be all inclusive but rather a compilation reflective of perhaps the more noted trains of the day. Keep in mind that each of these trains did not operate in the same year(s) as the others. The intent of this compilation is to generate civil discussion of those passenger trains now relegated to the Classic era!
The New York Central operated dozens of named passenger trains over the course of its existence. They included:
<source: http://www.wikipedia.com/ with some additions from other sources>
Hello Tom and all in
Apols for the absence, I'll get polishing my own bar stool I think! Pint of Kimberly Mild and a round for the house please. Looks like I've missed some birthdays so extra beer orders for those that are due them!
I've at least had a chance to review some of the posts recently, even though been unable to post. Esp nice continuing selection of Brit pics Pete!
As I attempt to turn to people queries on my trip report -
Pete. Well 186 mph does not feel like it - they are very smooth running trains - you only really get a sense of it when you ruin alongside the motorway and see cars doing 60 - 70 mph and they look like they are dawdling as you race by! I never visited Ashford works (and sad now that Eastleigh has closed more or less). Any highlights you can recall from that visit to Ashford works you mentioned?
Eric - interesting to read of your cat rescue exploits - like most Brits are supposed to have, I have a soft spot for animals! Yes, on my trip report I was comparing the food with transatlantic airline food of course, not the domestic ‘free bag of peanuts' offer!
Rob - glad you liked the World War One cemetery links (you will have noted the bit about Vimy ridge, which as I recall has special resonance for Canadians. I'd actually tried to find pics of the grave yards near the line but could not find any links to them - no doubt it is out there somewhere on the website.
You and Heather may find this link of interest - the official body that maintains the sites:
http://www.cwgc.org/
Tom - got to say I particularly enjoyed your UK poster selection a few pages back. Thanks also for the link back to the pertinent Eurostar pictures - that is the way it was!
Your comment on the demise of the sleepers is indeed correct. The High Speed lines eat into them (although I have to say a 7 hour journey asleep is more time efficient than a 3 hour journey awake - but the bean counters don't recognise that). As an example of your point, the Orient Express (the real one, not the Tourist one) - has been taken off the Paris - Strasbourg leg due to the opening of the TGV line on that part of the route - and it now commences from Strasbourg across to East Europe. France seems to have dropped most sleeping cars altogether and their night trains are now only couchette cars (there is a big difference in the accommodation standard between a Sleeper and Couchette)
Germany, meanwhile, has re-launched its sleeper network with new more modern sleeping cars - so they seem to be heading in a different direction - even though they are also building high speed lines.
My hunch on your 1971 Pars travel would have been an arrival in Gare De L'Est (east station) and departure for Brest from Montparnasse station. But more on that later.
Allan - interesting to read your comments about Whitley Bay - a projectionist no less - got to see all the best films (and some worst ones too no doubt) - I bet you have a few interesting stories to tell about that!
CM3 - 1949 / 51 slides - they must be fascinating - not much photographic slide material from that era this side of the pond - I think it was simply too expensive for most people here in the immediate after war period - or perhaps simply unavailable.
Any way - on arrival at Paris the train from London comes into Gare Du Nord (which is where the boat trains always used to arrive at - or most of them - so this is the traditional arrival station for the British.
It is a very busy station (or was that Saturday afternoon) with high speed services to Brussels, Amsterdam and Cologne as well as London and north west France, plus a lot of commuter style local suburban trains.
Many of the local trains are still made up of rakes of cars and loco hauled - so you still get the spectacle of a Bo Bo electric hauling in the cars and standing at the buffer beams, being disconnected, and another light engine comes on to the head of the train for the next service out. You just don't see that in the UK any more so it was great to watch!
The station is in what I would call the Belle Époque style - with a very grand frontage - some great pics here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_du_Nord
Some interesting history of the place is here too.
I then went round to check out the Gare De L'Est which, if you know the way - is a very short walk from the Gare Du Nord. It serves eastern France and Germany. You approach it form a higher level which means you are above all the tracks which is a great view as it is a very large terminus.
It was much quieter when I passed through - with few people about. It does have some interesting monuments, both to French rail workers who dies in the second world war - and to prisoners of the *** who were deported to death camps from the station - a sobering reminder.
Some good pics here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_l'Est
It has very interesting glass roof - and the frontage is very elegant. I noticed the frontage was well restored but then when I went outside I realised because this is now a Best Western Hotel - there has been less expenditure on the glass train shed roof - which seemed a shame - and surprised me because obviously the station is the departure point for the new high speed line to east France - so I thought that would have stimulated restoration of all of the building - still it was not in bad condition - just not quite at its best!
Anyhow - more on Paris stations next time!
I'd better check the menu!
Regards to all
DL
Hi Tom
Just caught your NYC post - I'll get back to it. Those *** in my last post were not course language. Just the sysetem seemd to switch them in! Who knows.
Here's a round for the house!
TOM Many thanks for the NYC 20th Century Limited to rival to the PRR's Broadway. 60 MPH is a very good average with steam power over such a distance of 960 miles. Although the NYC seems to have the easier graded route the PRR line was 60 miles shorter. As Eric said it was a pity all of the streamlined train sets were cut up for scrap.
Thanks for the cover of the Grand Trunk book.
It is hard to think of a worse punishment for a ‘Tweeting' than the one Fergie nearly got.
Hopefully I can find some cyber cafes in the UK so will be able to call in at he bar but with the time difference it may be at odd times, seeing my record with cameras I don't think a laptop would have a long life accompany me on the travels.
Thanks for the kind words on the photos; I am waiting on some details on the locomotives in my Tanfield Railway photos another preserved industrial line in the North East of England.
‘Moderation' is my middle name .
Many thanks for Pennsylvania Railroad Fallen Flag. I see the PRR did not lose too much track in the years between 1950 and 1962, I bet it was different in the next 12 years.
I had a look and out the 254 electrics in 1963 the PRR had in 139 were GG1s. I see the PRR had 4 named trains that ran into St Louis. Good selection of Pennsy Drumheads.
The NYC certainly had a lot of named trains some with great names like the Mohawk and the Wolverine. I guess the Wolverine connected with the New England Wolverine.
ALLAN Thanks for the details of the Wairake area of hot springs, nothing like that in the UK.
Glad you had a good day. Thanks for the kind words on the photos. I believe there is a plan to get No. 876 running again but whether it will appear as 876 or in her BR guise as 65033 I don't know. NCB No.5 and her sister No. 29 have put in a lot of good work on the North York Moors Railway in preservation days with the steep grades like the 1 in 47(over 2%) between Grosmont and Gothland.
ERIC Was the coupler on the X2000 a specially designed one to allow it to couple to the RTL or the one they normally run with.
I cannot recall an incident of a road vehicle coming into contact with the overhead wires on BR, the problem, which seems to happen too often on Britain, is road vehicles bashing into railway bridges despite a lot of warning devices. There is a very low tunnel under Rugby station and I can recall a double decker bus, luckily empty trying to get through it. Took the top deck of the bus right off. Of course all rail traffic had to stop while the bridge was checked for structural damage.
Thanks for the info on #297.
In 1947/8 the Government nationalized the British coal industry. It became known as the National Coal Board and No.5 was in the livery she wore when in the N.C.B. livery. She as carried the green livery of the Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery.
I guess the photo is the lower deck of a Superliner Car.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photo of No. 876, I wonder how successful the class was as two cylinder compounds.
Do you recall what locomotives hauled the Broadway on your trip. I'm learning, I think, the two trains west of Chicago that are still running are the Empire Builder and the California Zephyr.
ROB Thanks for the 20 for the beer We are expecting rain here, the weather man said it was the first time he could recall our weather coming from Canada at this time of year, but the cooler temps I can certainly deal with.
I wonder if the latest hiring by the Second Class Saloon is an attempt to try to take some of the dining trade away from Our Place, I can't see the Track Gang changing allegiance.
Glad you enjoyed the photos. Yes I heard the old engine crews say freezing backside frying front side. When the railways were nationalized in Britain, for the first class of Standard locomotives, the Britannia Pacifics, BR produced a mock up cab, which toured some loco depots to get the reaction and suggestions of the loco crews. The mock up cab survived and is at the Nation Railway Museum in York. I have heard the Britannia's cabs were on the hot side in service.
DL Good to see you in the bar, glad you are enjoying the photos. I will get my notebooks out and have a look at the date we went to Ashford open day. I recall they had some good locomotives on view and there were a lot of the old SR EMU components like traction motors in various stages of repair.
It is good the tracks are that good that it does not seem that the Eurostar is traveling at 186 MPH. It was like when the HSTs were first introduced, the Great Western track was so good at the time that the only way you knew it was going at around 125 MPH was seeing the mileposts past by two a minute.
Many thanks for the information and links on the Paris stations looking forward to your next post on them.
Your comment on the loco hauled trains still to be seen there brought back memories of what seems a long time ago now.When entering say, King's Cross or Paddington stations in London and wondering what Deltics class 47s or Westerns or Hymeks would be standing by the buffer stops.
Well RUTH quite a busy Friday at the bar so a round please.. Back in a bit with some photos.
My, my - it appears the <GoR> have answered the "call"! A fine turn out on this Friday, so much so that a mid-day round of acknowledgements AND cheer is in order! Boris, ring the bell - Ruth, fill ‘em up for the boyz!
Friday - August 15th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 7 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:14 AM: "In" with a ROUND ‘n quarters - "out" with a bit of commentary. Always a pleasure having our man in WVA aboard . . .
Confederate Bonds are redeemable at Vito's Second National Bank of Mentor Village. Hmmmm.
And yes, the books on the Broadway Ltd ‘n 20th Century Ltd are indeed <keepers> . . . fotos are terrific evidence of what it was like for the traveler back in the day. Ahhhhhhhh.
Thanx for stopping by!
Page 7 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:52 AM: And our Manager awoke, half-dressed, ‘n stumbled his way into the bar. Must've been some nite with YOUR friend! <grin> No, no - this certainly isn't a ‘sharing' proposition - she's YOURs now, then ‘n ever more! And she is NOT a dual citizen - in case you may not know, the U.S. doesn't recognize such a thing -OH-FISH-UL-LEE, that is. <grin> So, try as you will, SHE has found happiness ‘n security with the man of her dreams . . . ‘n that guy is YOU!
I'm gathering that your fingers seem to be getting stuck in between the keys more ‘n more, along with a bit of dyslexia - but did manage to decipher your comments on the Confederate money. Well, let me tell ya, one simply must recognize that WHEN the south rises, some of us will have the cash to carry on the campaign . . . Hmmmmmmm.
Actually, I'm hardly a Johhny Reb, but I was born in southernmost part of New York State - perhaps that "counts" for something, eh <grin>
Sorry, but subscriptions to the Mentor Village Gazette are handled by lottery. Tickets are available at any MunchMart in the county. Drawings are held in coincidence with the Lunar calendar . . . as viewed from high atop Mt. Mentor. <ooooooooohhhh>
Much appreciation for the chat, ROUND, good cheer ‘n visit!
Page 7 - Dan <DL-UK> at 1:32 PM ‘n 1:35 PM <7:32 PM ‘n 7:35 PM GMT>: Our man in Sherwood Forest IS alive ‘n kicking! I knew you were "out there," thanx to your Email ‘n am pleased you've been able to catch up with the goings on ‘round here!
Yes, it definitely was the Gare de l'Est where our train arrived in Paris from Germany - for the line was the one passing through Strasbourg . . . a super fine set of links on the north ‘n east stations!
I enjoyed the images you've put into words regarding the views of things going on along the right of way from inside the EuroStar. I too get easily fascinated just watching a switcher running about its assigned duties for the day . . . or the shunting of cars on a siding . . . or the make up ‘n break up of a long line of freights . . . or . . . All part of the excitement of rail travel in my OH-PIN-YUN! One day, perhaps we'll share such an experience . . .
Suspicions confirmed regarding sleepers in some parts of Europe. <sad>
Yes, the "censor" inserts those **** in order to be ever vigilant ‘n protective of those requiring protection. Ahhhhhhhh, but I wonder if the designer had a clue with regard to how easy it is to get **** in the Ether! <I inserted those!!>
Back to your trip - a super-fine report <part deux> ‘n deserving of a pint of whatever favorite brew you have in mind!
Many, many thanx for the visit, chat, report ‘n ROUND!
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 2:34 PM: And a grand afternoon it is with our Bar Chandler - Sir Moderation - up on his stool <strapped on, of course!> consuming pints of Bathams, moderately! <grin>
Doesn't really matter what the time difference, Posting from the UK will certainly add to the enjoyment of what we do ‘round here <or wherever the bar may wind up!>
Next time we're at the Barriger RR Library, we should make a point to do some research on the trackage that existed in the U.S. back in the 50s . . . all of the major roads, especially the larger ones like the Pennsy ‘n New York Central had miles of mainline . . . And to think the PRR was running regular service along that "quad" track, just boggles the mind when compared to the situation nowadays, eh <groan>
Wouldn't want to wager a guess regarding any of those named trains "connecting" with this one or that . . . mainly because they all didn't run in the same time frames. It's best to avoid trying to get to finite with a list like that, otherwise we "invite" the kinds of <crap> we've seen back in the past from those who are "chest beaters" in the Ether when it comes to "knowing it all." <barf>
Enjoy this August while you can, Mate - I can assure you that we may not see the likes of these temps at this time of year for a long, long time - perhaps not in the remainder of my time above ground.
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments - appreciate the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Back again RUTH so I will try another Bathams please.
TOM Yes I bet the Barriger Library would have all the information on those lines in the 1950s..With the increase in frieght traffic and passenger travel increasing as well, I would think that a lot of railroad managers wish they had some of the capacity there was available in the 1950s today..
Even the short time I have been over here I can tell this August is unusual, at this time it seemed in previous years the main worry was the heat and the lack of rain..
Moderation in all things, apart from Bathams
A few Great Western tank engines.
1. 0-6-0 Pannier Tank No. 9466. A F.W.Hawksworth 1947 design for heavy shunting the majority of this class was introduced in BR days. Behind 9466, in the loco yard at Bridgnorth on the Severn Valley Railway, is ex LMS Jinty No 47383 with the corridor tender of A4 No. 60009 Union of South Africa to the rear of 47383, to the right is a class 08 diesel-electric shunter. In 1958 No. 9466 worked off Worcester shed.
2 At Totnes BR station GW 4575 class 2-6-2T introduced in 1927 No 4588 is running round the train she has brought from the Dart Valley Railway. In 1958 4588 was a Penzance engine.
3 Taff Vale Railway of South Wales 0-6-2 No 85. Built in 1899 No.85 was sold by the GWR in 1927 to a colliery in Sunderland. The loco was bought from there in the 1960s but was not restored to running condition until 2000. No. 85 is on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway today, where the photo at Oxenhope was taken.
4 Another class of loco that was popular on the GWR lines in the South Wales Coalfield was the G.J. Churchward 4200 class of 2-8-0 tank engines introduced in 1910. No. 5224 was a devolpement of the 4200 class known as the 5205 class introduced in 1923. Here No.5224 takes water on the preserved Great Central Railway at Loughborough. In 1958 5224 was at Severn Tunnel Junction Shed.
Well RUTH another round please and the Steak and Fries.
Yes, leon, it is me! Yes, that would be fine. Medium, please and lots of mushroom! Tui!
An almost cool day today! Barely 100Ëš, maybe 101 or 102 at the most. I had an interesting evening late last night. Somebody, 6+ ft tall, tried to steal one of our cars but run away when I came out. He managed finally to steal another car down the street. Called the police but they couldn't make it here in time.
Tom – Are you telling me I have to subscribe to the “Mentor Village Gazette” in order to find out what happened? That is kind of dangerous. Vito is sending a couple of his “helps” to collect the money every time it's due, no receipts! So Pete needs a laptop that fits in his black bag? Hmm. That means it has to be soda-... I mean waterproof, considering everything he drops into that bag. I don’t know if there is such a thing as a waterproof laptop? Thanks for the nice words about my photos! I have been saying for a long time that I have to go through all my old slides from years back and scan whatever may be of interest. Maybe I’ll have time to do that after October 30. I am afraid that you are right about scrapping locomotives and cars during the classic time. Cut it up! Rain in the desert is something you have to expect this time of the year, thanks to the monsoon. Often it comes with some pretty violent storms. The storm last week had wind gusts of up to 64 mph and a lot of damage. Power poles, roofs, etc. Last night wasn’t that bad. Quite a few well known named passenger trains PRR was operating! I never heard about the Golden Triangle before. Chicago - Pittsburgh, I bet there was a third major city included in that triangle. Some of PRR’s drumheads make me thing of cinnamon, like the Cincinnati Limited. I wonder why?As an average I think PRR had nicer names on their trains than NYC. Okay, 20th Century Limited, is not bad but names like Fast Mail and DeWitt Clinton? CM3 – Do you know what year PRR started with phones on their trains? The X2000 was used for the Congressional Special once! It was May 16 1993. The guards don’t want to see your scar so instead they choose to trust you! Why not? Rob – No, the interior shot is the lower level of an Amtrak Superliner. The X2000 is made of stainless steel but it isn’t visible from the inside. If you ever get a chance to go to Orange Empire Railway Musuem, do it! It is well worth a visit!DL – I am kind of weak when it comes to animals. Can’t stand to see them suffer. Free bag of peanuts? That’s just a memory nowadays! In some cases you have to pay even for a glass of water on domestic flights. Thanks for your report from Paris and the stations! And the links! Looking forward to your next installment!Pete – Good evening Mr. Moderation! Hmmm. The coupler on the X2000 was a slightly modified version of a standard (American) coupler. Normally the X2000 has a coupler of type Sharfenberg (German) wich automatically connects the train line, a supply line for air and a bunch of electrical contacts when you couple the train to another train. National Coal Board! Thansk for the info. You are correct about the lower level of the Superliner! Nice photos (as always) of those small tank locos! 0-6-2 is kind of an unusual wheel arrngement, isn’t it? Totnes, where is that at? I’ve seen that name many times but I still don’t know where it is.
0-6-0 switching locomotive. Used along the docks at San Pedro, CA. Originally built for Santa Fe Railway (#590), was temporarily assigned to the Southern California Railroad as their number 40, and was then Santa Fe 2285 until it was sold to the Outer Harbor Terminal Railway in 1909.
Donated by Sunkist Growers, Inc. and its subsidiary, Fruit Growers Supply Company. Number 3 is a Climax type, geared locomotive and was used on Fruit Growers' logging railroad at Hilt, California. Built 1909.
Both these locomotives are on display at Southern California Chapter Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, Los Angeles County Fairplex, Pomona California
http://www.trainweb.org/rlhs/
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Eric. Am going to forget about those year numbers from now on. Interesting pix of the RTL and your X2000 coupled together, the "basement" shot in the Superliner car, and the 0-6-0 switcher and limax at the LA County Fairplex. Pity that the cops` did`nt catch that car thief, at least you stopped him stealing your closer neighbour`s car.
CM3. Will just have to be philosophical about those numbers from now on. Interesting info on your ride on the Broadway Limited.
Rob. Hope those storms` you were having have abated by now. It`s good that those short lines over there have such a variation in colour schemes for their locos` for the train fans` photo benefit.
Dan. Good to see you back. The most vivid memory of my projectionist days` was when we showed the Al Jolson Story, by the end of that week I could recite most of the talking parts and sing all of Al`s songs off by heart! Good link to the Gare Du Nord and a good description of the services and train working`s there. An interesting link to the Commonwealth War Graves` Commision.
Pete. You are so right quoting that "moderation' word! Some more immaculate GWR tank loco pix from you, all "keepers" that's for sure. Looking forward to those Tanfield photos` coming up, it`s a pity that I never got to see the Tanfield Museum or Beamish Open Air Museum at all, it was still in it`s planning stage when we left the UK in 1969, my bride had a trip there last time she was home with the family at Whickham.
Tom. I`ve learned that the quote "Pace yourself" is the key to achieving moderation. Those posters must be located at one of our NZ preserved stations somewhere, I will have to keep an eye out for them from now on, i`ve seen some of them in NZ railway history books from time to time. Fine repost from the archives of the Fallen Flags #11 on the PRR with statistics and Drumheads`, and a very informative #3 Named Passenger Trains from the Classic Era on the NYC RR, that's quite a list of named trains they ran over all those years`.
Good evening Leon , just a cold Keith's for me,and a round for the gang as well if you don't mind.
Tom-Great info on the NYC maned trains good stuff to keep the <GOR> informed Oh and as I said before I lost her to Mike up there in the Mountains,she's his problem now ( an elegant solution for the both of us )Besides. CSIS and Boarder guards up told her she's personna non grata due to her need to cling to the side of trains. Vito's bankers do the whole money thing quite well they keep themselves ready for anything,you may evenitually find that they will give you a good deal on your "reb bucks "
Nice to see the gang answer the bell today as well
Pete-Some fine looking tank loco's and steam switchers sir I don't think I want to see you with a laptop,I'm sure it wouldn't get along with the black bag anyway.Your welcome,enjoy the weather while you have it.
Dan-Good to see you in with a "two fer" thnaks for the link we have both spent sometime navigating it Yes Vimy is a very important part of Canadian Military History.There are not many in this country who couldn't tell you it's story even now 91 years on.Interesting to see that parts of Europe (Germany) are still going with the sleeper trains.
Eric-Nice couple of photo's loved the Climax
Allan-Yes the storms have subsided ( for now ) it's been a very wet summer this year.The ducks I'm sure are enjoying it. still it will bring all the lake levels back up so in the long run it's a good thing.
Saturday at the Saloon by the Siding ‘n time for a kick-back breakfast. No hurry - no rush, just enjoy our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts, fresh coffee ‘n pastries!
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:14 PM: Back as promised with a fine spate of fotos w/narratives of course! My favorite is the water tower shot!
Appears this "moderation" thing has caught on - so now, you'll have another "title" - Sir Moderation! Yeah, tell it to the moon - I've been WITH you enuf times to KNOW the rest of the story! <uh oh>
Every part of the country I've lived in has had its peculiarities regarding weather patterns. From New England to Alaska to Virginia - to California - to New York to Missouri to . . . there's a bit of something for every liking. But ‘round here, well - strap yourself on for a wild ride. This summer has surely been something else, not to mention the monsoons of spring. <geesh>
A footnote: I see you are still "trying" a Bathams. When do you suppose you'll make up your mind <grin>
Appreciate the repeat call, fotos, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Page 7 - Eric <EricX2000> at 6:32 PM <4:32 PM Sandbox time>: An earlier than usual visit from our Resident Desert Swede - aka: The Sandman!
The Mentor Village Gazette was somewhat of a regular feature at "Our" Place I, back when we had numbers to justify the time ‘n effort put into it. Why, we even had Nick ‘n Rob 'n Shane provide input for our columnists. Yeah, it was a fun thing, but when the interest seemed to wane along with our numbers, well it was back to the drawing board. Now the Gazette is a "By <buy> subscription only" periodical. Still out there, but rather hard to come by . . . sorta like that Brunette of YOURS! <grin>
Sounds like the excitement in your area never seems to abate. Not that long ago it was gun shots - then fires - now someone trying to steal one of your cars. <geesh> Perhaps you should consider relocation! How about HERE You'd luv our winters - lots of temps near the zero <F> mark not to mention ICE. Snow Well, we've really not had a decent winter in decades, in my OH-PIN-YUN, although last year we had 3 "fair" snow falls, but not the waist deep stuff that I'd luv to see again. Anyway, let me know ‘n we'll start looking for a place for you ‘n your bride! <grin>
Yeah, we can fuhgedaboud Pete ever getting a laptop. The man won't budge ‘n of course when it comes to that black bag, well we KNOW the rest of that story! <grin>
I've been retired a long time - my 35 mm slides are sitting in their carousels ‘n I've NOT taken the time nor made the effort to scan a one - nary a one. So, don't get your hopes up, Mate! Other things come along to fill the voids in time once you are retired - you'll find out. <grin>
That's SIR Moderation - be careful! <grin>
Two most interesting fotos of those "toy like" steamers!
Many thanx for your fine inclusive Post ‘n good cheer!
Page 7 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:33 PM <4:33 PM Saturday NZ time>: Our Resident Downunder Kiwi arrived on scene with typical good cheer ‘n conversation!
Being the exception to the rule, I think it's kinda "neat" to rack up the numbers. Having lived all or part of 8 decades has it's merits. But, I concur that it does boggle the mind a bit when thinking of the many, many experiences in those chapters of life . . .
Al Jolson! Now there's a name from way back when . . . I must admit that his music didn't really "do it" for me - but I surely recall it. We had stage shows in between the double features on Sundays at one of our local theatres <The Ritz> ‘n it seems like there was always one guy who would perform a Jolson hit . . . Vaudeville days were coming to a close as I was coming up . . . good memories in better times following WWII!
Pleasant visit, good cheer ‘n a ROUND of Tui!
Page 7 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:50 PM: Yes, a most equitable solution to the situation involving YOUR gal <Queenie> ‘n YOU! <grin> What a "thing" to place upon the broad shoulders of Mountain Man Mike . . . methinks we've not heard the end of this, especially with the fall resumption of our Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match III. <uh oh>
Eavesdropping your Post brought to mind something you made mention of regarding history - if you think it is sad that many don't have a clue with regard to a 91 year old event - how about those who are equally clueless regarding WWII One doesn't have to live in the past to appreciate it.
Visit, chat ‘n ROUND most welcome!
Reminder: Cindy has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
A cup of coffee and a bacon sarnie please CINDY.
ERIC Glad your car survived the attention of that felon, as Tom says come and live here in Mo.
Thanks for the info on the couplers on the X2000.The automatic couplers are a far cry from the old days when some one had to get down on the tracks, put a screw coupling on, tighten it and connect all the pipes.
Glad you like the photos. I too was surprised that the 0-6-2 arrangement was as popular as it was. A lot of the South Wales lines had the arrangement and the Great Western built more when those lines became part of the GWR at the Grouping. I would have thought a 0-8-0 tank would have been better. The wheel arrangement was popular as well with companies that became part of the LNER. The Great Eastern and the Great Northern lines of the LNER used 0-6-2 Tanks for their commuter trains into London.
Totnes is in Devon on the Great Western Main line to the West Country between Newton Abbot and Plymouth. The town is on the River Dart and at the bottom of two steep climbs with Dainton Summit to the east and Wrangaton Summit to the west. Totnes is the junction for the preserved line to Buckfastleigh, although the trains off the preserved line do not use the BR station nowadays, the junction as been used for the occasional special onto the line.
Many thanks for the photos, details and link to the Southern California Chapter of the R&LHS. They have some great locomotives, including a Big Boy and a UP Centennial diesel.. I would dearly love to visit Pomona one day. The Climax looks an interesting locomotive and I would have thought that Santa Fe # 590 would have been a rough riding loco at any sort of speed with the long overhang, but as it was used for switching it would not have mattered.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the GWR photos. I am hoping to get some details on the Tanfield Railway locomotives so I will post them when I get the info.
On the Tanfield Railway at Andrew's House station, I believe. Love the old carriage
It has been quite a few years now since I was last at Beamish and I dare say it has changed now and well worth another visit, I'm sure your bride had a great visit. There is a very similar museum near Dudley in the West Midlands called the Black Country Living Museum, although I don't think they have steam locos.
ROB Thanks for the kind words on the photos. Yes the black bag seems to take an instant dislike to any thing technical being put in it. It has done in two cameras I'm sure a laptop would be no problem for it.
A pleasant day with good sunshine, but not too hot, although it was forecast for heavy rain today earlier in the week.
It looks like Mountain Man Mike's gain is your and Tom's loss.
TOM Yes I do like the sight of a loco taking water from an original water tower or column. The type in the photo of 5224 was known of the ‘parachute' type. On the ex Great Central at Rugby there was one of this type at the south end of the station, at the north end was a column type. Just visible behind the pillar of the water tower in the photo is the pipe from the ‘Fire Devil', a stove used to keep the tower from freezing in cold weather. They were great to get near while watching trains when on a station in winter.
We certainly see all sorts of weather here in Mid-Mo. In Scotland they say, "If you don't like the weather, hang around for half an hour and it will change".
When I get to England, I will have to try a Bathams then a Holdens then a Bathams then a Holdens then, I think you get the idea, all with moderation, to keep in with my elevation to Sir.
Back in a bit after I have loaded some photos..
A super fine day here in mid-continent USA where the skies are friendly, temps tolerable ‘n precip zero! Got some work done outdoors ‘n now it's time to relax <nearly 2 PM at "typing time" . . . Juneau is in bliss when outside - just loves lying in the shade watching "his people" work . . . <grin>
If not for Pete, this Post would be awaiting a customer. It's "You Post, I Post" ‘round the Saloon by the Siding . . . no more back to backs, except for those special occasions! <grin>
So, here's a selection not seen at any of our bars . . .
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #8
(1) SP&S- Empire Builder
(2) UP- Old Timers Special
(3) Wabash - City of Kansas City
(4) WM - Fast Freight Line
(5) WP - Scenic Ltd
(6) ACL - Florida Special
(7) ATSF - San Diegan
(8) B&O - Shenandoah
(9) B&M - Bar Harbor Express
(10) Burlington Route - California Zephyr
(11) CP - The Canadian/CP Rail
(12) CN - Ocean Ltd
Enjoy the weekend!
Time for a Bathams please CINDY to celebate another win by the Mighty Shrews.
TOM It is indeed pleasant outside today really great for mid August.
Many thanks for the great selection of Classic Drumheads by the Dozen. I must admit I do like the design the Wabash had and I think the City of Kansas City is another winnner. I have to ask about the UP Old Timers Special, I wonder if it referred to the locomotive hauling the train or the passengers.
On the tank engine theme, I have some photos of the largest of the BR Standard tank engines the 4MT 2-6-4s designed at Brighton and introduced in 1951.In my view these were a handsome class of loco and luckily quite a few of them found their way to Barry Scrapyard and were saved for preservation..
In the first photo I was on a tour from Leicester to London which traveled via Oakham, the Welland Viaduct, Bedford and on to the West Coast Main line at Bletchley where the photo was taken. The locos Nos. 80079 and 80098 had come off the train and was heading to take water.
Another trip behind a Standard 4 tank was a tour from Derby to Skegness and back, this time with No 80080. I think DL will know the location of this photo, near the site of Trent station heading for Derby.
By a coincedence most of the Standard 4s saved worked there early career on the London Tilbury & Southend line until this was electrified.The locos then moved to the ex Great Western sheds in Mid Wales and the North Wales border. The singer Joe Brown used to fire these locomotives when he worked off Plaistow shed in London.
I had gotten word that No 80098 was working through my home town of Rugby.. She and her support coach was heading for the London area where she was to work some specials.
80098 came through a bit earlier than expected but I just caught her as she approached the signal in the photo. One of the support crew took some video of me peddling furiously on my cycle.. As can be seen the signal changed to amber just has I got the photo. In the background is the flyover carring the up Coventry line over the Trent Valley line.
I believe Britain has won some gold medals in the Olympic Cycling events, that day I could have made the team. Getting to the Wooden Bridge before the loco which includes a short but steep hill(OK 80098 MAY have been stopped at the signal after the one in the previous photo). The loco is passing a class 60 diesel electric.
In steam days the yards were bigger and the area to the left was full of tracks
The Wooden Bridge was demolished to accomodate the extensive track work that has been going on in Rugby. It will be replaced when the work is completed. The loco on the right is a EWS, GM London Ontario built class 66.
Looking the other, south, side of the bridge 80098 is heading for Rugby station and passing part of the ex BTH works which as this time was owned by Alstom and was where I worked.
Hope you like these and a round please CINDY.
Pete's been back with some fine fotos! Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments - but do appreciate your two-fer on this Saturday! As has been the practice - it's just us-uns in daylite ‘round here on Saturdays . . . <geesh>
Anyway, here's one from my sub-basement archives - NOT seen for a long, long time . .
PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG & NOSTALGIA <not numbered>
<A form of this was initiall Posted on 16 Sep 2005, Page 110 at "Our" Place I>
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956:
Enjoy! Tom
Good Evening Captain Tom and Crew~
Was lloking at one of these puppies on E-bay today
There was quite a write up on these in "Classic Trains" a year or two ago. Very impressive and very capable!
Re: TWEETING! Mmmmm
Tom... Need I say more
Peter: More Picks! Thank you. You'll have to have the remainder of the Keg there my friend as the War Department and I are off to Tatagamouche for the Week and will not be able to imbibe here.
Anyway I must as always... Run!
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Leon, you are working way too much! Yes, I feel sorry for you! No, just a cold Keith's, please!
As usual for Saturdays this Saturday turned out shorter than normal days! Never time enough to finish everything on my agenda.
Allan – That is good, forget those numbers, just remember something around 30 if someone is asking your age! I was not sure what that guy really was doing, but when I saw him use a small flash light to check the door on that car down the street I finally understood that he was going to break into it. So I went inside the house to get my cellphone and car keys. When I came back outside both the car and guy were gone! I had no clue which way he went. Rob – I think it is easier to find an operating Shay today than a Climax. It is just a feeling I have. Tom – Is the Gazette a daily paper? If so it must be pretty thick with at least 36 pages! I am sure Vito is the one behind it. We are going to relocate when I win the powerball! Since the shooting last year it has been very quiet in this area. But since I moved here in 92 we have had two of our cars stolen from the driveway. We got the truck back after two days, but Pam’s SUV disappeared for good. That was five years ago. I think I pass on your winters. It is impossible to love anything that cold (near zero). But thank you for the offer to look for a place. You are right, Pete’s black bag and a laptop would never get along. I think you better find the time to go through all your slides and scan anything that may be of interest! A nice collection of drumheads! But I don’t understand the one from Western Maryland! Fast Freight Line!? Did they have a drumhead on a freight train? I like Santa Fe’s San Diegan and Western Pacific’ Scenic Limited the best!MKT! I wonder if the Texas Special ran the same way back then as Texas Eagle today between St. Louis and San Antonio? Pete – As I said to Tom, too much snow in your part of the world. But I like all the green stuff in the summertime! It is green, not brown. That is nice. The screw coupling and the train line to connect is still the common type of couplers on all European locomotives and cars. Automatic couplers are found only on EMU’s and DMU’s and high speed trains. The heavy ore trains in Sweden have automatic couplers. Thanks for the info on Totnes and the GWR tank locos! Pomona is indeed worth a visit. Their Big Boy is supposed to be the one in best shape of all the preserved ones. Here are some photos from Pomona.
Big Boy #4014.
UP class DDA40X #6915.
Southern Pacific Class SP-2 #5021, 4-10-2.
Santa Fe, Class 3450, #3450, 4-6-4 Hudson. Nice photos of the 4MT locos! I understand they did not get that old before they were retired. I’m glad they preserved several of them! They look very much like Class S locos in Sweden, also with 2-6-4 wheel arrangement. I have a model of a class Sb. Fergie – A very impressive locomotive in your photo! Do you have info on it? Round for the house! Eric
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Rob. Good to hear those storms have passed over now. Enjoyed the colourful collection of diesel locos` you posted on the other thread, we have a Tellus here at home, not as big as that one though!
Pete. Lovely shot of the Tanfield Rly , that restored clerestory roofed carraige looks a beauty. My bride really enjoyed the Beamish tour, she brought back a photo of the old Stanley Co-op store they relocated there, used to go in to it BITD doing messages` for my Aunt who lived at Oxhill just out of Stanley. Will have a look on the net for that Dudley Black Country Living Museum. Some really fine pix of those BR 4MT tank locos`, they are one of the best looking tank locos` around.
Fergie. Hope you manage to find one of those "puppies" on E-Bay soon.
Eric. At least you frightened that guy away from your place. A fine set of pix from Pomona of the Big Boy, DDA40X, SP2 4-10-2 and SF Class3450 Hudson. 30 looks a very well rounded number to me.
Tom. One of my school mates used to do a good take off of Al Jolson , with the face make up, white gloves` and baggy suit he was very realistic. Fine Classic Drumheads` by the Dozen #8, a very colourful and varied collection, and also the Passenger RR Fallen Flag and Nostalgia on the MKT RR, had a double take at those cheap meal prices in the dining cars` in those days`, but I suppose the prices are all relative to the incomes` of that period of time.
Good evening Leon,the usual round of Keith's if you don't mind.
Tom-Fine looking stuff from you today,neat info on the Katy and a vey fine spread of drumheads.Like Pete I do like the Wabash one's they just have the right "look" to them
I'm sure that our mutual friend is happy in Mike's arms ( well one of them,she was big but he's much bigger so they are a match made... well somewhere ) I'm sure that our gals ( H&H ) should be able to handle any shinanigans she may pose at this falls pt 3 of the grudge match.
I guess we are luckey in that there has been a real resergance in history and more importantly candain history the last ten or so years.Veterans affair's and the school boards have been pairing up Vets and kids quite successfully the last few years which has helped,that and the History Network has put out alot of really fine documentary material on both world wars and Korea
Pete-Loved the photo's,though I'm not a tank engine fan they just seem to be right at home in those photo's ( they look much nicer than the class 66's )
So let me get this straight,the black bag did away with two digital cameras,so it's a serial killer then Perhaps smoke signals then to keep in touch, since we obviously can't trust any high tech stuff to survive the "black death"
Fergie- A fine looking beastie,good luck on winning it I've had fair sucess with ebay both buying and selling,I don't make a long term habit of it though,but sometimes it's the only way to get stuff.Any luck with the other engine on getting some of your cash back
Eric-I'm not so sure that you live in the safest of area's,I think I'd rather take my chances with winter. Look at it this way though the fact you didn't get the SUV back may not be a bad thing concidering today's gas prices , mind you maybe it will show up now that gas is so expensive.
Great photo's from Pomona all great shots. Though I think that both Shay's and Climax's are now well onto the endangered species list.
Allan-Yes it's been an odd summer with all the rain oh well I know how to swim Glad you've enjoyed the colour I think Telus is just about everywhere now.
<IT Rail bus at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Reminder: "Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
<but go ahead ‘n slip your messages thru the mail slots on the doors!>
Yes, "Our" Place is CLOSED on this day meant for rest. But, we'll be back in full swing tomorrow at 6 AM <all time zones - don't ask how we do that!>
Saturday - August 16th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 8 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:59 AM ‘n 2:57 PM: Two daylite Posts enabled me to respond accordingly thereby making Saturday a bit more interesting for those who take the time ‘n make the effort to check-in!
Having only known you for a few years, I can only imagine that description you provided of peddling your bike in order to ensure a good spot for a foto op of a passing train. Now that surely separates the fly doo-doo from the pepper <as has been said> - wouldn't be me, Mate - nope! I'm simply not a train enthusiast to that degree 'n doubt that the day will come when I'd want to do such a thing. However, your fotos are terrific 'n a result of a lot of caring about 'n for what you enjoy! It shows.
Another example of the differences in having the same language . . . for many in this country, trying something has a connotation of checking it out or experimenting. So to say you're going to "try" this or that, when it's been tried a few <zillion> times seems a bit of a contradiction. Fun with the language, eh It's YOUR language, Interim Governor General! But we've Americanized it . . . Anyway, how many "tries" does one need to settle in on Bathams or any other brand of brew Hmmmmm.
Your continuing contributions - including ROUNDS - are most appreciated 'n welcome!
Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 5:33 PM <7:33 PM ADT>: See the FIRST Post on Page 7! <exasperated>
Page 8 - Eric <EricX2000> at 7:03 PM <5:03 PM Sandbox time>: "In" with an earlier than usual visit!
Your Pomona fotos are <top drawer>! Really came out well in terms of clarity!
Moving to an environment where one's safety ‘n security is paramount shouldn't take a Lottery win! <geesh> And to think, there are places where gunshots ‘n car thefts are not taking place in residential areas. Hmmmmmm. Lottery, indeed! <yikes>
I wonder if that guy cudda outran a speeding bullet Hmmmmm. We used to hang people for stealing horses - why not cars Oh well, just my stone-cold-heart showing though . . . I just find it incredulous that we live in times where the villain gets more consideration than the victim. But so what! Some things need to be said . . . ‘n the bar is CLOSED anyway! <grin>
The Mentor Village Gazette used to be a quarterly "thing" at the bar. Today, the number of subscriptions determines publication . . .
Amtrak's Texas Eagle is a far cry from the Eagle of old . . . so, the routes back then for the Eagle ‘n Special were different from today.
Sorry to have to say this, but once I'm gone - so are the slides. What's the point in doing anything with ‘em if there's no one to appreciate ‘em Such is life in the fast lane.
Reality is we do NOT get "too much snow" - surely wish we did!
Many thanx for your early visit, inclusive Post, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Page 8 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:27 PM <4:27 PM Sunday NZ time>: Yes, you are correct - when we look at the pricing for this ‘n that "back in the day," it's easy to think in terms of today's money. When I started out in the service, I couldn't have afforded to eat in a dining car!
In today's society - speaking for the U.S. - an Al Jolson imitator wouldn't be received very well. And for good reason, methinks. ‘nuf said . . .
Your visit, chat ‘n ROUND are always a hi-lite of an evening at the bar!
Page 8 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:36 PM: And our Manager surprised us with a Saturday evening visit!
And may Queenie ‘n Mountain Man Mike live happily ever after! However, the Mountain Village Constabulary reports an increase in domestic violence calls since they got together . . . <uh oh>
Having an active armed force will always bring about a resurgence in interest of the military - military history included. But, you can bet you're in the minority in that regard, as are so many in my country.
Thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
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