Well good evening chaps-and how are we all on this fine spring day ??-well here we are,fresh from the legendary Mentor Sun studio complex after a fine and bracing musical evening with just the right balance of serious application,throwing bombs (changing beats,creating unexpected polyrhythyms,playing solo`s backwards-just trying to `throw` each other) and good old fashioned giggling and silliness-the perfect stress-buster
Now then,thursday again so food is in order-whilst Boris & Copperkettle are doing the prep I can have a bit of a sit and start on my catch up-So-Leon,stick these here Telecasters out in the office for me please old thing and then I think a cold bottle of pilsner might touch the spot-and the same again for the company when they are ready.
Right-here`s responses & comment to pge 1:-
PETE-That bar looks like a splendid place to take a drink -R.E the Guinness engines,I missed the conversation in question -did it touch on the bizarre open framed chassis` that they were lowered into to work the standard gauge sidings-or that wonderful prototype-for-everything of the helices used to connect the different floors within the factory ??-only in Ireland.............--chip suppers,-I think my favourite has to be:-small battered sausage,small saveloy,battered black pudding slice,2 pickled onions & chips with a scoop of bits and heavy on the salt ( best consumed whilst on a seafront promenade anywhere in the west of the British Isles on a summers evening,just watching the sun drop into the water..) S&D-cant help with the Bournemouth details immediately-will blow the dust off a few books,fine pic of the M7-one of my favourite engines-used to have an old Tri-Ang one-sold in a moment of madness-regretted ever since-is that a Queen Mary brake she`s towing ?
ROB-Sadly the snow provided only nuisance value-ground temp wasnt low enough for it to settle and stay-just a total pain to drive through-the 60 mph side winds were more of a worry Some fine loco shots here-just what I need-one tends to forget what a huge research resource this place provides
ERIC-What a wonderfully atmospheric D.B. pic ,I love that combination of the purely functional engine with the almost military olive green coaches........a welcome taste of Euro-rail to this most eclectic of threads
ROB-More & better -keep `em coming !!!
TOM-Hey there mate,sounds like you bin takin a few lumps there lately-thoughts are with you both-believe me,if it were doable,I would be tapping your door right after breakfast parade tomorrow with a flask of sweet tea and my #2 shovel and we would have that trench dug and braced before a burger hits the barbie that evening.....Fettle,origins of,--setting myself up to be shot down here,but always understood that it is to do with care of horses-to be in fine fettle is to be well groomed and fed and ready to race...poss. same origin as feckle-a Yorkshire dialect word meaning general jois da vivre-E.G--"How art tha ,lad ?" "Fit & full of feckle,ta for askin".....Things to do in North Bay-take LOTS of pictures of the O.N.R works and pretty much everything else-enjoy the waterfront-wine & dine your lovely lady wife.....result
FERGIE-the devil is in the detail my friend--have a safe trip mate
TOM-Some lovely artwork there mate-now heres a thing-some of those pics ,the perspective and the angle of elevation suggests a childs-eye view of the engine-is this a deliberate trick to remind us of childhood and induce a feel-good factor or am I just a nasty old cynic...??????
PETE-You will no doubt be happy to learn that DVD sales of the "Penthouse tapes" are increasing steadily (who would have thought there would be such a market for Chinese dwarf pornography--apart from our drummer....).......warships &V200`s-have a vague ghost of a memory that they had the same guts-Maybach engine & Voith transmission------push-pull express-I know it doesn`t really count as an express but the southern were using `33`s on push-pull duties on Waterloo-Weymouth services beyond the end of the 3rd rail at Bournemouth Central from the mid `60`s-the front 4 would be pulled across to Weymouth and pushed back again
O.K chaps-menu time
Nice and simple tonight,
cod or haddock in beer batter or plaice in breadcrumbs
various sausages and saveloys
Pies (steak & onion or chicken & mushroom)
chips-with onion gravy,curry sauce or `bits`
pickled onions,pickled eggs,gherkins...
now choose a bench and let the screeching of the gulls and the music of the waves wash over you.......................................MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Right-thats me for now-back soon,be good,
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ROB I'm afraid my typing speed as not improved despite Molly Throttlebottom's best efforts most of yesterday's post was done the night before after a visit to Pat's Place I just had to make it legible in the morning.
Thanks for the explanation on why some of the American big steam builders struggled in the diesel market. I wonder if Baldwin and Lima tried to develop their own design of diesel engines and electrical motors or tried to get diesel engine builders to build an engine suited to railroad use.
Many thanks for the photos of the old layout there certainly was some great locomotives and bridges on the layout
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the list of the Class 92 names, I enjoyed reading them again. I wonder if any youngsters who see the locomotive names they don't recognize bother to look into them like we used to with the Jubilee names.
I think the plan was these locomotives to run through the Channel Tunnel into Europe, I am not sure whether they do venture far on the other side of the Chunnel today. They were scheduled to haul the sleeping car services into mainland Europe, using the Renaissance cars, some now modified and working on VIA Rail.
The 92s are used solely for freight trains although they have helped a failed train I believe. They have been used on railfan specials where a special is run using freight locomotives. I will have to have a look in my notes and see the couple or so I have been hauled by on the specials.
Charles Dickens had at least an L&NWR and a BR Standard pacific named after him as well.
It is good to hear that CSX has some named locomotives today.
Yes I shall be interested to hear more about the Penn Central at the rendezvous, it seems a bit like when the LMS were created in 1923 with the rivalry with the L&NWR and the Midland although it was more of a problem of running the railway than a financial one I believe.
Many thanks for the NYC Florida Service. I wonder how the Ponce de Leon name was chosen.
Thanks for the info on the Windsor & Hantsport I will have a look at the link.
NICK Great to see you at the bar MKIII.
It seems the UK is getting a lot more snow and generally bad weather this year than usual.
Many thanks for the photos and the descriptions of your great layout and the live steam layout I like the steam tramway locomotive.
Great photos from Ireland that is an unusual layout leading to the shed. If I recall right, I think it was fairly late on that the mantraps were made illegal.
ALLAN Many thanks for the kind words on the photos and the links.
Many thanks for the info on the Newcastle Trams and Trolleybuses. It brought back to mind how the person's way to get to work was a pushbike, walk and public transport. At the large manufacturing in Rugby the number of buses they brought the workers to work and back home again was amazing to a young kid in the 1950s even in 1967 when I started there were rows and rows of bike stands and there still were buses that came in the works. Nowadays of course the greatly reduced number of people there come by car, unless they live very near the factory, and the bus service does not start early enough to get to work at staring time from where I lived.
TOM I must admit Union Pacific had skipped my mind when I thought about the railroad with the longest lived name.
In the advert for the mushy peas it says the peas that make it only grow in England as you say there must have been a reason.
It would be good to see the F50PH in the Kool Aid livery; perhaps we could find odd locomotives, cars and strange colors on April 1st . I have a couple I will load up.
Enjoyed the RR Fallen Flag Heralds, I have to ask who was ‘Evangeline' in the Windsor & Hantsport Railway
Many thanksfor the Railroad Magazine covers encore, I think they are really great railroad paintings, from the large # 255 picking up orders to the small Inspection Engine.
Those really are some classic RR advertisements. They are all good but I think The Hiawatha one takes the prize for me,really great artwork.I noticed the Nord one is very simular to some the LNER issued in the 1930s.
TRIP REPORT.
No sitting in sidings but the train to KC was 50 minutes late at Jeff City although the eastbound was 3 minutes early arriving much to the delight of the smokers aboard.
Once aboard the train, which was formed of Superliners, the first thing I noticed unfortunately was the really dirty state of the windows but with the weather around here lately I suppose it is hard to keep them clean. They were a good and friendly crew on board especially the lady working the snack car.
The train made up time and it was 32 minutes late arriving in KC. After leisurely look around Union Station there was just the KCS 34 and the ‘Chico' car outside. There is a new model layout at the station, I took some photos and I hope they turn out.
On the trip there was a couple of trains with locomotives in Southern Pacific colors but with UP numbers and coming off the line at Pleasant Hill was a loco in full Southern Pacific colors with SP numbers I don't think there are many of these left. It was very quiet with freight traffic coming back.
Departure was on time and the train run really well with it being 5 minutes early at Warrensburg as well as back in Jeff City although the afternoon west bound was running late.
It was a enjoyable day out but it would have been better if you had been there..
A couple of photos from Union Staion in KC from a few years back.
I do like the Santa Fe livery.
Well RUTH a round please and the Fish 'N' Chip . what's that you say HELGA the Zepplin was losing height and the Mushy Peas had to be jettisoned.
Pete.
G'day Gents!
Pleae sed to see CM3 Shane 'n Rob providing some momentum to our forward moving Bar by the Ballast . . . Hoping that Eric will be able to swing by during the daylite on Friday morning to help out a bit . . . thanx in advance! Surely thought we'd see Pete by now - don't tell me he's still sitting in a SIDING! <arrrrrgggggghhhhh>
Now Arriving on Track #1
Six Pack Special Number One
RR advertisements from the Classic Era
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New Haven Railroad
Canadian Pacific Railway
Milwaukee Road
Euro Railways
New York Central System
Northern Pacific Railway
Enjoy!
Tom
Good afetrnoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox:
Just a quick stop to let you know that I will probably be offline tomorrow. Have a class to do and then our compouter equipment is being moved, lots of cutovers and tests, etc. so we'll be OS for most of the afternoon.
Thanks for posting the RR Magazine covers. Nice Rock Island illustration - check out the ice refrigerator cars in the background. Also liked the one with the inspection engine. Name C.E. Fisher will familiar to truly old school types (Back off Boris, or I'll cudgel you with my cane) - as he founded the Railway and Locomotive Historical Society.
Rob - It's really something when a used hardback book costs less than a paperback. Anyway, try and find the PC book I mentioned. The folks at Enron and Bear Stearns had nothing on these guys (lol).
If I can't visit tomorrow - have a good weekend.
A quick good morning gents then it's off to feed the punch clock Ruht I think a number three and a stiffly spiked BK blast
Tom-Yes I do hope Exporail stays on the rails. It should To qualify, I enjoyed some of the wrapped loco's.Whne the notion first hit with teh yellow Home hardware one it was a contest Home Hardware was giving away a trip fot two on the Canadian as a I can't remember 25th or 30th aniversary of The Home Hardware chain. That loco wasn't a wrap but a compete paint job ( ran that way a good eight or nine years after the contest good deal for HH's advertising ) Anyway with budget cuts and bus and cab comapnies collecting a decent buck selling advertising space ie outside of their vehicles VIA jumped on it. Can't blame them,any bucks to keep them on the rails Is a good thing.Some of the ads are putrid others aren't so bad ( The CBC one pops right to mind,mind you I'm sure it was a cheap ad if you know what I mean. )
Liked the book covers from this morning, should bring a comment or two from the boys I'm guessing.I'm not really supprised that some of your love affair with riding trains came about as your carreer started. Like most countries armed forces,yours likey used rail travel quite extensivly till all the airlines and airports started happening.
Shane-Thanks for the info on the book I'll have to look into it.My book repritoire tends to lean heavy to Canadian railways and equipment and traction.The Windsor and Hantsport is an uinteresting operation,unitlimestone trains and lots of ex CPR RS23's Alco/MLW lovers nervannah for sure.
Rob
Anticipating a slow morning - figured this would keep things "up" for awhile . . . Oh yeah, thanx to CM3 Shane - I've corrected that Windsor & Hantsport item - it is indeed a short-line freight op, NOT a passenger RR Fallen Flag. BUT the herald is "cool"!
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number One
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(1) 1953 - The Clinchfield Route
(2) 1945 - Christmas
(3) 1944 Speeding Through the West
(4) 1953 Michigan's Lumber Pikes
(5) 1945 - Inspection Engines
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Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Cloudy here today but temperatures are expected to push 60 degrees later then we will have thunderstorms and rain for a few days. The Bostons are "back home" in Los Angeles - they play some exhibition games aginst the Dodgers (OSP- at leat one at the Colesium), and then a couple of real games against Oakland, three at Tronto and then home to Fenway. I'm tired just typeing this.
Nick was by with pictures. I enjoyed seeing the different equipment on your layout, and especially appreciated the pictures of the outdoor operation at Clonakilly. There is a Tralee here, too. It's in Wyoming County and used to be a busy mine that shipped via the Virginian - it's all gone now although a good friend of mine worked there for quite awhile.
Allan - Thanks for the comments and additional information.
Rob - The Wreck of the Penn Central is available on Amazon in a variety of editions and a variety of prices.
I remember being out and about on the first day of Conrail. I was in Lehigh Valley country around Geneva, NY and it was hard to believe that a new operation was starting that day. Things did not change for awhile, but eventually they built quite a railroad "out of the ashes."
OSP stopped in with heralds (including one from a shortline)
Windsor and Hantsport - All MLW power. A visit to the CN website revealed that this is a 56-mile long short line operating from Windsor Jct. to Kentville, NS. Primary commodities include: gypsum, rock, grain, vegetable oil, and lumber.
Do a Google search on Windsor and Hantsport and you will find pictures and lots of other information. Click on the item that says Yard Limit Gallery and you'll get some interesting pictures. I tried posting this but it would not work as a hyperlink - told me the page did not exist, but it does work going direct from the Google result. !@#$ computers. Gotta love it! Anyway, Rob will appreciate the pictures as there's a lot of MLW power roaming the property.
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Comments from the Proprietor
Next up on the Birthday Watch List!
March 31st (Lars - 68) - Gone but not forgotten!
MOON PIE (March 21 - April 20) You're the type that spends a lot of time on the front porch. A cinch to recognize the physical appearance of Moon Pies. Big and round are the key words here. You should marry anybody who you can get remotely interested in the idea. A Chitlin would be a good mate but it's not going to be easy. You always have a big smile and are happy. This might be the year to think about aerobics. Maybe not.
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - April 26th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 3 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 8:14 PM: Figured you'd return ‘n that the prolonged absence had to do more with weather than whether or not . . . <swg>
What's to say other than that's some fine foto spate of your model trains! Nicely done, Mate - nicely done! I do recall some of the structures - especially the building with the Canadian flag <a bar, if I recollect> ‘n some rolling stock too. Lookin' mighty fine ‘n wouldn't blink an eye with the mix of north American ‘n Brit trains - as you know, model RRs are meant to please the person who built it! Everyone else comes in 2nd place . . . Many thanx t you <'n Rob> for contributing to our OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day!
Quad shots of the real trains looks fine as well!
Page 3 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:23 PM: You just KNOW it's gonna be a good nite when both of you show up - Nick ‘n Allan, what I wouldn't give to have the pleasure of sitting at the bar with you two! Better yet, having the both of you at Rendezvous III would be the icing on the cake - or the foam on the brew! <grin>
The bride seems to have overcome the malady, whereas it still has me tightly in its grip. Gotta do what one has to do - but there are times . . .
And so the RR BOOK RELAY 2007-08 will be coming to a conclusion, eh Didn't expect it to take sooooooooo long, but no harm - no foul. The first RELAY was a picture book - which of course made it far, far simpler to get through. I'll have to keep that in mind for the next go ‘round. Serious reading requires serious time . . .
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments, especially the insights regarding why Brit locos didn't have headlights. When one is accustomed to seeing a "lamp" in front of the steamer, well it just kinda looks "naked" without one. Makes one wonder, "What's wrong with this picture?" <grin>
Of course the ROUND just made the nite for the clientele!
Page 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:46 PM: "In" with a little bit of this 'n that for the gang. Good Post to eavesdrop . . .
Just a bit surprised that you'd like loco's in that "wrapped" state . . . takes away from the charm of it all in my not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN. Ads belong elsewhere! <groan>
Not much more to discuss regarding May - let's hope ExpoRail doesn't get derailed! <yikes>
In the era of U.S. passenger railroad collapses, it just seemed to me that "something" was very wrong in the land. I wasn't in a position to know any of the details nor was I really "into" real trains - other than to enjoy an occasional trip here or there. The mid-50s saw my entry into the military 'n that pretty much sez it all. However, once "my" Pennsy merged with the rival New York Central, "something" just didn't "feel right." Was hard to accept that - no more PRR 'n no more NYC . . . never could accept it. Shortly thereafter the New Haven went the way of the downslide 'n life as I knew it changed forever in terms of northeastern passenger railroading. Again, I was NOT an aficionado nor a fan nor a groupie or any of those things. Just someone who really loved looking at the trains 'n when the opportunity presented itself - climbing aboard.
Thanx for the visit 'n chat!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good evening Leon, a Kieth's if you don't mind sir.
Tom-Horizontal snain eh wasn't that bad in Brantford, amazing what a difference an hour away from a city does weatherwise. thinfs seem to be perking along quite well with basically everyone checking in today ( yesterday for Allan )
To answer your question it would be in the "P" stage got your email,I'll send a response off later sounds good though.I actually likie most of the wraps VIA has done. he Koolaid one's were a bit iffy, the worst one is the Telus Mobility one ( unless one likes Lime Green )I haven't got a shot of that one yet,but it's still out there saw it in Brantford in February,luckliy it was dark but they didn't need the plateform lights on because the paint job just glowed .
Shane-Thanks for clearing up the Jawn Henery,my bad for forgetting an mixing up those two fine old roads.Seems to me it was the more southern roads that named thier trains.I figured that you would have had a bit more info on the NYC great stuff I've saved it to the memory banks.Is that PC book still available I'd like to read up on that,Iknow little about all those 70's mergers as they all "were" by teh time I cared about trains and such.I'm glad you enjoyed the layout shots.
Nick-Good to see you back,hopefully you guys got the odd snowball fight in before it all melted awaynot that you would pelt your inlaws with snowGreat photo's of the layout nice to see them again. I believe that you have the train numbers right,they are all still run.
Neat looking park with the trains,theer is a similar setup in London Ontario called story book villiage,again it uses LGB equipment for the flawless operation moreso than any kind of scale or prototype fidelity.Mind you storybook villiage is on amuch less grandious scale. The second batch of photo's were no slouch to look at either
Allan-Sounds like you have a nice sized hobby area,larger than what I know have to work with.The loco's in most of those pictures are either a friends ( the modern CN and DW&P ) or gone the CP red units were mine but I've since sold them as I've gone back to teh more attractive older days with the Tuscan and Grey loco's.I'm glad you enjoyed the C&NW rebuild bit,we gotta keep the info a moving in this here bar
An intermediate posting-I keep finding pix so gonna slip some in before I forget where they are...
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A little gem in the south-west of Ireland,the Clonakilty model village-village is in fact to small a term-the site is about the size of a football pitch but rounded and has beautiful scale models of most of the towns served by the old Cork,Bandon & Southern.
Unfortunately ,the railway (which forms 3 large interconnected loops around the site) uses L.G.B equipment-for reliability I assume,but for the non trainspotter the illusion works well and the whole place is as friendly as you could wish for...in fact a day out
Here`s Bandon-looking out onto the bay
Still in Ireland but further up the west coast-Killarney,the train-Mallow-Tralee,is approaching the camera having run in on the right hand track and turned around in the platform to the right then after crossing with the east-bound train it sets back into the long headshunt track on the left and reverses again to climb up a short sharp bank on a tight curve around the town
This is a pic I love-it demands that you ask questions-where,when,why the shed lead from the yard lead through a diamond-the only example I can call to mind
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For ERIC who was interested-here is another pic of `Prince of Wales`running round at Aberystwyth after the morning run up to Devil`s bridge-have a load more-just need to get them uploaded and transferred
Right-I rather think the journey has caught up with me,Leon-give these reprobates another round on me if you please-and something very loud on the juke to get my marching legs under me when I get back from the bathroom---O.K boys-see ya later-have a good one.........
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Tom. Have had a heck of a time over the past couple of days trying to get the reply page to load, just kept going off line when loading it? It seems to be working OK at the moment! Good to hear you and your bride are feeling a bit better now, and that your layouts` have`nt been affected by the water at all. Will e-mail you as soon as I post the book back, should get it away tomorrow hopefully, Friday here! Nice selection of flicks for the weekend, and what a great lot of very interesting material you posted over the past few days, the nice selection of book covers` and Heralds`, the info on the NP RR North Coast Limited BITD #15, the RR of Yesteryear #1 on the B&O, the great pics of your Polar Express shelf layout, and the nice lot of Fallen Flags #2 passenger train heralds.
Rob. Nice pics of your old model RR and all your nice selection of locos`, and a very interesting write up on the Classic Diesels` #29, the C&NW Baldwins`. As an addition to the garage I now have an 8` by 10` shed as a hobby room, no more room in the garage!
Eric. That was a very true quote of yours about garages`! Nice pics of all the locos` and the bridge, most of the bridges` on the NZ North Island Main Trunk Line are very similar in looks to that one.
Pete. Newcastle had a very extensive Tram and Trolleybus system, going north up to Gosforth Park where the racecourse is, over the High Level brdge to Gateshead, and to the eastern boundry of Wallsend for the Trams, the Trolleybuses`used the riverside road, passing all the major works and shipyards`, to central Wallsend. What a great link to that video on U-tube with sights`and sounds of the Deltic burbling along, Deltics` always sounded to me like a collection of V8`s in unison! A very nice lot of Class 92 pics and a lovely shot of the Ex LNER B1, a great explanation of why Brit locos` did`nt have headlights`, and an extensive list of the Class 92 names`
CM3. Liked your humerous pitching quotes` and the write up on the PRR and the very interesting write up on the Florida Service. Another reason why they did`nt use headlights` on Brit locos` was that the railways had to fence off their "right of way" by Act of Parliament to protect livestock, except for some remote areas` in the Scottish Highlands where their was`nt much livestock. You could get a 5 Pounds fine for climbing a railway fence, it would probably be around 50 Pounds these days, Dan or Nick would have the answer to that.
Nick. See we where in at the same time mate. Nice lot of pics of your model railway layout you posted, great work!
See ya, Allan
Well good evening gentle men all-Leon charge these good peoples glasses please and set me up with a whole row.......I have a serious thirst about me.
Apologies for the extended absence-heavy (by our standards) snow on friday forced us to leave a day early for the mother-in-laws and had no time to post....Am recently returned and just easing out of motorway focus.
So-another shiny new bar for us to luxuriate in-how thoughtful of K/B...............
Right then-as it`s wednesday,how about a 6-pack of layout pix then I can settle down and read the first 3 pages of our new adventure (which on first browse look to be seriously hot pic zones ..
I trust you will all indulge me here as ,despite my recent layout description emphasising the Brit guise,almost all of the pix I have at the moment show the Canadian stock--predictably perverse,i accept..........
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Here we have train #450-North Bay-Toronto easing down the bank. The FP7a`s have since been fully lettered although roof work remains to do ( These loco`s would have been cut off at the Bay after working in from the O.N.R but hey--rule 1.....)
G.T.W Detroit-Capreol #491 -(could be the same working that ROB showed a pic of passing Bayview Jn...can`t remember where,but I found an archive that gave this working,may have got the number wrong..) waits to set out as the Bradford GO train glides in behind an F40PH.
N.B-Have since discovered that the G.T never owned any R.S.11`s,so this one has been re-lettered as a merged ex-D.W&P machine
Industry time-this yard can soak up a suprising amount of stock,although some care is required planning switching moves-resident G.P.9 switcher is lower left whilst at top left #410,Gravenhurst-Toronto is on the bank..N.B-main Bradford Stn board has been removed to allow fettling of storage tks below and a temporary `bridge` connects the left hand end with the high level storage yard.............
Imagine my suprise....-it seems I have staged at least one set of Brit train pics........curse the drink !! --here we have an English Electric type 3 (class 37) with a (very) mixed freight heading towards Bristol waiting to come off of the relief line,behind that is a Bulleid pacific with a Waterloo-Weymouth express and at the back,a Southampton bound coal train from the north-east,re-routed over the S&D via the Midland line to Bath to keep the main routes open for faster trains
The same scene from a different angle-and rather over-exposed as well.....hm
And as a complete change of pace-Live steam,16mm-ft scale,32&45mm gauge built in a garden in deepest ,darkest Pembrokeshire,seen here on Peter`s annual july open day some years ago-a delightful afternoon,if memory serves
Right-thats my 6-pack ( as they say in the movies...) off to catch up now-back a.s.a.p --Leon-another round and lets get that juke wound up eh ...
Not much going on these days <daze>, eh With only Rob, CM3 Shane, Pete 'n Moi as regular daylite providers of material - that pretty well sums it up.
Now Arriving on Track #2
Heralds of Passenger RR Fallen Flags - Number Two
(1) Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O)
(2) Chesapeake & Ohio Railway (C&O)
(3) Southern Railway (SOU)
(4) St. Louis-San Francisco Railway (SLSF)
(5) Union Pacific - The Overland Route (UP)
(6) Windsor & Hantsport Railway (WHRC) <a short-line freight op>
Missed the first one Click the URL 'n go to Page 189 . . .
http://cs.trains.com/forums/201/991960/ShowPost.aspx#991960
Appears the time is right to get a leg up on the comments . . .
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 8:41 AM: Really appreciate the flexibility, Mate - nice of you to get one off before heading to the train station. With so few remaining ‘round here to count on - it's even MORE meaningful these days <daze>!
You sure do come up with some mind boggling questions - but I'm going to take a "pass" on which railroad had the longest use of a name. <geesh> And here I thought all the man thought about was where is next WARM beer was coming from. <grin>
HOWEVER, in giving it a bit of thought for U.S. roads - I suppose Union Pacific ‘wins' since they essentially represent the "last man standing."
Kind of mind-boggles me when I look at the dates on those Polar Express fotos - doesn't seem like 3 years ago.
My guess is those "mushy peas" come in tins for simple opening. In other words, leave them to their own "devices" ‘n the expansion within will "pop the top," ‘n they'll be ready to . . . errrrrrrr, ready to . . . . <gulp> EAT! <nahhhhhhh> I'll pass. The way I figure it, the good Lawd put enough GOOD stuff on the planet for us to eat without having to resort to the likes of THAT! Padon me while I take a nibble on my chocolate covered grasshoppers . . .
Looking forward to your "trip report" ‘n hope you're enjoying yourself <clickety clack> <clickety clack>!
Visit, inclusive remarks ‘n ROUND most appreciated!
Pages 2 ‘n 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:15 AM: Ahhhhh, baseball in the air <once again>. Just read where Jose Canseco <remember him?> has dropped a bomb on A-Rod - ‘n the beat goes on. My Cards will begin the season with 7 guys on the DL - count ‘em 7 - 6 are pitchers! <yikes> And yes, I read about our new 3rd baseman ‘n his "baggage." Ahhhhh, baseball is in the air . . . pardon me while I head to the lee side of the ship <barf>.
My bride said that it was snowing "horizontally" as her Nova Scotia flight was being made ready for departure. <geesh> That's a bit more than "snain" where I come from. Only lost a half hour in the sked, though - not bad, not bad at all.
"Swear jar," <huh> Boris using foul language Be still my heart . . .
Those VIA locos decked out in various color-schemes for "pay" <aka: ads> reminded me of a trip taken across Canada several years ago. One of the F40PHs was totally "wrapped" in Kool Aid markings. Looked hideous - really hideous. Have some fotos - but they are the 35mm variety ‘n I haven't scanned ‘em. Yeah, I'll get A-ROUNDTUIT!
That CBC Radio-Canada looks pretty ‘sharp' . . . maybe THEY should operate a railroad! <grin> On second thought . . . who needs another controversy, eh
Turned the Page ‘n there you were again! Good to see your former model RR again . . . where are you in the rebuilding process Trackplan Or is it the P-stage <P=procrastination>. <uh oh>
Good to see ya, Mate - Email sent your way!
Page 3 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 11:49 AM: When in the operational environment, we were always in the safety-first mode. It's not very forgiving aboard ships that rock ‘n roll. <yikes> But, yes - I do recall the monthly this ‘n that at shore units. Hardest part is to maintain the motivation aspect of it all. Every now ‘n then someone would get "smacked down" if observed being perfunctory rather than deliberate ‘n careful . . .
Some fine commentary on Lewis & Clark - the Pennsy - New York Central ‘n their Florida service. Somehow, the "name" New York Central to Florida, from Chicago no less, just boggles my feeble mind. But, that's really not difficult to do these <daze>. <cough> <hack> <wheeze> <sneeze> <choke> Get the point
Many thanx for the noon-time visit - "worked" well with Pete being gone for the day - but you couldn't possibly have known that . . . hmmmmm.
Haven't watched or followed even ONE NCAA basketball game <yet> . . . probably will when it gets down to four . . . really have lost interest over the years. Happens . . .
Quarters ‘n ROUND appreciated!
Later <maybe>!
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please, club sandwich and a couple of them big dill pickles. Running late today as we were doing the quarterly safety inspection of my "corner of the tent." OSP (and probably most of you) doubtless remember what's involved with that.
Pete - Glad the Mushy peas arrived in good shape. Vt. Country Store sells all kinds of things you can't find anywhere else.
Thanks for your material on headcodes - good stuff. Locomotives here (in some case) are blt. With classification lights but they are hardly ever used. The purpose of these is to designate sections, extras, etc. Also, I really appreciate the list of names - It was interesting to see how many of them were not UK folks either. My daughter would have enjoyed riding behind the "Jane Austen," and I the "Charles Dickens." List has been archived.
Now here's something to stir up the waters; IMHO, PRR could not have survived independently. It was actually in worse shape physically and fiscally than the NYC. The New Haven was dragged kicking and screaming into the PC. We can discuss a lot of this at the Rendezvous, but if you have not read it, get a copy of The Wreck of The Penn Central - essential reading to get a handle on how they managed to truly mess things up; I use PC as a case study in a Master's class that I teach now and then. One last thought, the northeastern situation was so messed up that Conrail, IMHO, was about the only thing that could be done. Just saving a couple of roads would not have addressed the regional aspects of the problem. IOW, there's a lot to be said for economies of scale, no matter how they upset the traditionalists
Rob - Let's see; Boston and Maine had named steam and diesel locomotives. The RF&P had some named engines as well (they were named for various Confederate Generals and Governors of Virginia - just beautiful examples of the builder's art. Some of them ran on the C&O as leased power, too. CSX has named locomotives today (one for a good L&N friend as a matter of fact). Last, for the record "Jawn Henry" was an N&W engine. Your most recent post arrived a little while ago - enjoyed the model shots.
Eric - Lewis and Clark, of course, crossed the country from Missouri to the Pacific. The whole purpose was to map and explore the Louisiana Purchase which is why Jefferson sent them on their way. NP used the Lewis and Clark expedition as a theme for some of their cars because the railroad went through that area. The "Traveler's Rest" lounge car was probably the best known of the cars as it had a frontier theme, maps on the walls, etc. It was truly a unique piece of equipment.
No, Boris, they did not found the Missouri Pacific - a little knowledge and the wheels fall off completely-geez!
Re the PRR schedule - it's just the way they did things. Could have been because of traffic, terrain, or work that the train did en route.
So your DB train is a push-pull.
Incidentally, West Virginia is in Phoenix for the NCAA; they play Xavier tomorrow evening - so if you see people in blue and gold garb, you'll know where they come from.
OSP has forwarded a lot of NP and B&O material to keep things going.
Like your Polar Express arrangement.
Since we didn't do NYC yesterday, here's something from 1942 era.
Florida Service
The New York Central's not usually thought of as running to Florida, but they did operate a pair of Florida Pullman lines via their own tracks and those of the Southern Railway.
Let's look at southbound service first.
The "Royal Palm" handled 10 section/ 2 drawing room Pullmans from Chicago to Jacksonville and Detroit to Jacksonville. The Chicago car departed at 1145 p.m. and arrived in Cincinnati at 755 am. The Detroit Pullman departed at 1145 pm with a 705 am arrival at Cincinnati. Passengers from Buffalo and Cleveland had overnight service to Cincinnati which connected with the "Palm" although there were no through Florida cars on these train. The Jacksonville cars were switched to the Southern Railway's "Royal Palm" at Cincinnati. The Southern train also had a diner, a 10 section Cincinnati-Jacksonville Pullman, and Cincinnati-Jacksonville coaches. Departure from the Queen City was at 845 am with a 755 next morning arrival in Jacksonville. Connections to trains of the SAL and FEC were available at Jacksonville.
The "Ponce de Leon" was the other NYC-SOU service. This carried a Cleveland-Jacksonville sleeper. Passengers from Chicago and Buffalo had daylight service to Cincinnati (passengers from Buffalo connected with another NYC train at Cleveland). The Cleveland car departed at 305 pm and arrived in Cincinnati at 855pm where it was switched to the Southern Railway. A 10 section Cincinnati-Jacksonville sleeper, a diner and coaches filled out the consist. The "Ponce" was not a fast train as it left Cincinnati at 100 pm and arrived in Jacksonville at 955 pm. Connections to trains of the SAL and FEC were again available at Jacksonville.
Passengers heading north had similar service.
The "Ponce" left Jacksonville at 800 am and arrived in Cincinnati at 755 am. The Jacksonville-Cleveland sleeper was switched to an NYC train which departed for Cleveland at 955 am with a 345 pm arrival at Cleveland (passengers for Buffalo changed trains at Cleveland). Chicago-bound passengers could catch a 915 am departure for the Windy City.
The "Royal Palm" left Jacksonville at 900 pm and arrived in Cincinnati at 955 the next night. It carried a 10 section sleeper from Jax to Cincinnati. The Jacksonville-Chicago sleeper, a 10 section 2 drawing room car, departed on train 437, the "Royal Palm" from Cincinnati at 1155 pm and arrived in Chicago at 735 am. There were a lot of other Cincinnati - Chicago Pullmans on this train. These included an 8 section buffet car. A 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car, and a 12 section/2 drawing room sleeper. Train 437 set out a Cincinnati-St Louis 10 section/2 double bedroom sleeper for #427 at Indianapolis and picked up a 14 section Indianapolis-Chicago car. The train also carried Cincinnat-Chicago coaches.
The Jacksonville-Detroit Pullman, also a 10 section 2 drawing room car headed out at 1130 pm. Passengers for Cleveland departed at 1155 pm. Those wishing to go to Buffalo could connect with another NYC train at Cleveland.
work safe
Hello again Ruth my dear just a top up of the BK blast please,as always keep the change. Whats that Yes I have some change left even after feeding Boris's swear jar,what is he doing with that money BTW
Anyhow since it's optional toy and train day here are a few shots from the old layout ( now gone to "greener pastures"
enjoy
Good morning Ruth. I think a number thre and the usual BK blast in a thermos please .Oh what the heck a prune danish for olde tymes sake.
Tom-Yup somem one has to rattle the bars of your cage once in a while <grin> speacially with that "sea sick green" comment. I'll have you know that CNR's Olive and Yellow was a very classy scheme ( when first applied ) it only faded into the afforementioned "sea sick green "
I hope our new third baseman does not dissapoint , mind you the one you got in return has some baggage as well.Take a peek over at your other thread, you have a nibbler,and a nibbler with a question no less.Not beyond it's usuefullness over there yet possibly
We've had some late season "slain" yesterday grumble nothing stayed on the ground here but it was annoying as H-E-double Hockey sticks Yes Boris I'll put a fiver in the swear jar.Haven't you got some critters to tend to
Nice to see part deux of the Polar express as well
Eric-Ahh,thanks for the additional info on that bridge,too bad such a fine structure is going the way of the dodo but 70mph from 25 is progress ( I imagine it won't benefit any passenger trains though ) < grumble, mutter, mutter > yes Boris I'll put in another fiver <sheesh> we never should have sent him to that manners class.
That German train and it's equipment looks similar to the first Go Transit sets ( other than the locomotive type )The Chinease loco doesn't look too bad,the fittings are a bit gaudy no doubt,I'm sure that it can be Americanized,might loose it's "kitch" though
Pete-Happy trails rails sir.Make sure the black bag behaves, thanks for not completely following through with all the station stop names we may ahve ahd to take drastic measures had you completed that list, that or you may have missed your train if Tom's description of your typing style is at all accurate.
I suppose some names on Via would have been interesting,mind you to sweeten the pot they do advertising body wraps on the ,loco's to add a splash of difference.
A couple examples, there are brighter one's !
Yes C&NW did get alot of usuage out of most of their rebuilds,they were essentially brand new locomotives. Hard to say why the big Steam manufacturers faired so poorly,part of it ( a big part in my opinion ) was the war shortages, they were not allowed to build deisels during wartime only EMD and to a lessor extent Alco were allowed to so once the war ended and the loco repalcement phase kicked in Baldwin and Lima were almost a decade behind in design and practice,even Alco was hamstrung as they were only allowed to build switchers during wartime so they too were playing catch up as well.
Hi Tom and all
A cup of coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
A bit of a quick visit this morning as I saw the Amtrak Missouri Mule was still using Superliners and so I booked to Kansas City and back today.
TOM It was great to talk with you yesterday, really hope that cough gets better real soon.
Many thanks for the B&O Railroads of Yesteryear revised encore. Looking at the dates the B&O must have a claim to be one of the longest railway companies to have kept the same name, it would be interesting to know which railway company had that honour. In Britain the longest it could have had was from its inauguration to the grouping in 1923 although the Middleton railway inaugurated in 1758 must be a good contender although this was not a class 1 railway like the B&O was.
It certainly is a great tribute to the railway engineers, on both sides of the pond, that the structures they built when railways were in their infancy are today carrying the trainloads and at speeds that were unimaginable when they were built.
Enjoyed the song titles and many thanks for the kind words
I know how you feel about missing opportunities on the rails. A couple of times I have not taken a train a certain time thinking I will do it another time only to find the line was closed. One of the worst was at Huddersfield in Yorkshire, I had time and the train to a place called Clayton West was waiting in the platform. The next time I was in the area the branch line had closed.
Many thanks for the 2nd installment of the building of the Polar Express shelf system. Having had the pleasure of seeing the Polar Express run it is great to see how the layout was built.
Seeing as you and Rob enjoyed my long post, I shall now list the depot allocations of all 842 ex LMS class 5s in 1958
44658 Kentish Town
44659 Saltley
44660 Saltley.
On second thoughts perhaps not.
ROB Yes I guess I grew up with the express passenger steam locomotives having names so it seems natural to see locomotives named, although for a time in the late 1960s and early 1970s BR did not fit names to locomotives. I sometimes wonder if locomotives had not been named, would people remember 4472, 4468 and 6100 like they remember Flying Scotsman, Mallard and Royal Scot. It is probably just I, but I really think that Amtrak and Via Rail are missing out on some publicity but not having really good and stirring names on their locomotives.
Thanks for the kind words on the photos. The Mushy peas are in a tin, and (this is true) in the black bag's previous life, one of its main tasks was to transport the mushy peas plus the other groceries back from town in Rugby to home.
Many thanks for the Classic Diesels #29 on the Recycled Baldwins. It is strange how the big and very successful names in steam locomotive building found it very hard to survive in diesel manufacturing. It seems C&NW had a good few years' use out of the re-builds.
ERIC Thanks for confirming 6703 was the locomotive we were talking about, and thanks for the photo of the cab car used with the class 221s.
That is a very good question about locomotives that were borrowed from other regions to work on the Southern Region. I know at one time they did borrow some locomotives when they had some problems with the Merchant navy class. I don't know if they fitted extra lamp brackets to the borrowed locomotives. I guess with special trains from the other regions, as there would not be many of them, that the signalmen knew which route they were taking.
Well RUTH a quick coffee and a round when anyone is ready for a drink, then onto the bus to catch Amtrak to K.C. I hope Tom's kind words are true and it is a siding free day.
It's our OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! here at the Tavern by the Tracks. And time again for an installment of the construction of my Polar Express shelf system.
So here they come in spates of six . . . BUT only on Wednesday!
(1) Movie poster ‘n observation car
(2) Taking shape
(3-4) The Polar Express test run
(5-6) Night sky background
Missed the first one Click the URL - it's on Page 200!
Wednesday's Witticism
Close friends are folks who've sopped gravy out'n the same skillet.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA where the temps are spring-like ‘n the rains are about to return. A good time to check out our Menu Board for <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts along with The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n of course our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee!
Tuesday - April 25th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 8:32 AM: Gotta watch ‘winding me up' like that! <uh oh> But, it's good to know I'm still ALIVE! <grin> These past several weeks, I've had my doubts <doots>.
Have it on "good order" that air craft were de-iced today at Pearson International. What's the deal in Ontario Dontchano it's SPRINGTIME! <geesh> Fortunately, my better half made it safely to her destination in the Maritimes, no thanx to Ontario weather.
Just seems to be "the way it is" - something good gets created ‘n a few will come along to screw it up. A major problem with the internet is the complete lack of discipline - zip, zilch, zero . . . pretty much an anything goes medium, which I doubt was the intent. It's amazing how a wee bit of anonymity can make some people think they are immune from rules of protocol, etc.
Here's a few songs for you, just to "make up" for jumping your case . . .
<Select J13 - M7 - B9 - H32 - C12 on Herr Wurlitzer!>
Guess My Eyes Were Bigger Than My Heart
If Fingerprints Showed Up On Skin, Wonder Whose I'd Find On You
I Keep Forgettin' I Forgot About You
Liked You Better Before I Knew You So Well
Gave Her My Heart And a Diamond And She Clubbed Me With a Spade
Page 2 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:09 AM: Glad you liked the new series . . . the idea of course was to generate some conversation, which of course it has.
There's so much material out there regarding those three railroads that I'd think books would be written about ‘em. <grin> Many thanx for the additional info - surprised that the New York Central didn't "make it" in your synopsis . . . but there's always tomorrow, eh
Perhaps it's far too easy to get lost in the nostalgia of those great passenger railroads. I'm hardly an aficionado on the subject, but can at least say "I was there" at the end, and for some of the glory years too. The handwriting was all over the walls for not just those three <PRR - NYC - NH> ‘n we shouldn't dismiss the overwhelming tide of acceptance by the public of things like CARS ‘n PLANES. Trains just didn't stand a chance.
The moguls who profited so well from the railroads weren't necessarily the "nicest" of men. Nor were they at all interested in what was best for the country or the citizenry. We shouldn't make icons out of ‘em - but history has a way of doing things like that - or at least the revisionist kind does. Oh well, I'll quit this line of thinking . . . perhaps best resumed at Rendezvous III. Thanx for the memories!
Yeah, BoSox won! Ho-hum . . . only kidding BUT it just doesn't seem like a proper start to the season. Don't agree with MLB on this approach, not at all. Turns the game into an exhibition rather than a contest, or so it seems to me.
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 3 PM ‘n 3:52 PM: Thanx for the call today - came at a good time!
Can't say for sure which Pennsy locos have been preserved or where they might be. But I'll tell ya this - there's a bunch of ‘em still around - a bunch.
Kinda feel the same way as your regarding the Northern Pacific's North Coast Limited as compared to the Great Northern's Empire Builder. Would've dearly loved to have traveled aboard ‘em - back in the day of course! And to think I COULD HAVE, but didn't. <arrrrrgggggghhhhh> Yeah, in 1959 when I had orders to Alaska, I could've taken the train from New York City to Seattle, but elected to fly. Same for the return 18 months later - again, flew back. <arrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh> Young ‘n ignorant - that kinda sums it up. <groan>
Many thanx for all the work you put into that headboard piece - really nicely done! A Five Salute to our own Wolfman - Brit Rail Aficionado Supreme!
Couldn't help but think just how much great stuff has been provided on our Pages at "Our" Place I, II ‘n now III. For those who just never seem to find the time or make the effort to READ - your loss.
Excellent fotos ‘n use of them in your description of the headboards too!
Enjoy your round trip to KCity ‘n hope there are NO sidings in your "future"! Surely would've enjoyed joining you - but perhaps next time.
Scared the Dickens outta me with that listing of "92" names - thought for a second that 20 Fingers himself had returned. <yikes> But then I realized what you were doing. <phew>
Page 2 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:46 PM ‘n 9:55 PM: A two-fer from our Manager after a long day at work. Way to go, Mate!
No, not bored at all - just made sure the bar was kept "busy" - also helps to keep my mind of this coughing fit I seem to get into every few hours . . . heading into week #4 of this stuff. Seeing the Doc <again> on Friday . . . Believe me, I've got plenty to do ‘round here - Juneau being #1 priority.
Noted that Scott Rolen is on the DL - you'll note that this isn't anything "new" for him. He's a terrific 3rd baseman - perhaps the best I've seen since Brooks Robinson "back in the day." But he has two problems - you'll soon know what they are. Far too early to say, but I think we got the better of the ‘deal' on 3rd basemen - all things considered.
Don't think my Cardinals will be a contender - ‘n can't comment on your Jays. I'm pretty much an NL fan - but do pay attention to the Royals out in KCity.
I think a great use for "mushy peas" would be to liquefy ‘em <puree> for use as paint in restoring those CN locos to the old time "sea sick green" livery. <yuck> <yuck>
Well, we may not have "named" our locomotives in Canada ‘n the U.S., but we sure "named" our trains, eh Somewhere in the archives is the "list" - I'll have to retrieve it for an ENCORE! at Bar III.
Not only a good piece on the Baldwins - but the right size too!
Email responded to . . .
Wednesday - Mar 26th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:05 AM: The clocks strikes LATE <or early> 'n who should appear but our Resident NOCTURNAL Desert RETIRED Swede!
I'd think 70 mph across any bridge is movin' out . . .
You're probably right on as far as the interior of the North Coast Ltd was concerned - the theme of Lewis & Clark couldn't have been much of anything else. However, someone has to buy the book to find out! <uh oh>
A good Post to eavesdrop 'n an interesting foto as well!
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a number 3, please! Mashed potatoes. Tiu, please!
Almost made it to the 90's today, but it stopped at 89Ëš.
Tom – The speed limit across that bridge is 25 mph. That is one reason why they are replaing it. The new bridge will allow 70 mph. I agree, they should remove all that Chinese stuff from the locomotive. It will look much better without it. Interesting info on North Coast Limited! Too bad one can’t ride it today. It says it had Lewis and Clark-themed interiors. What does that mean? Pictures on the walls or something else? The book, The Vista Dome North Coast Limited is something to look for.Also interesting reading about B&O! Indeed an old railroad! Rob – No, that steam locomotive looks pretty good if it wasn’t for all those Chinese things. Thanks for the story about C&NW’s Baldwin AS-16’s! I guess the photo shows a rebuilt loco. It is classic from all points of view!CM3 – Tell Boris that the D&H’s 2-8-0s also had wheels and were steam powered. Same thing. You asked if the German train was a push pull. One locomotive and a cab car like this one below:Hamburg 1970.Thanks for the PRR info! How come train 861 only needed 2 hours from Pittsburgh to Wheeling when the other trains needed 2 1/2 hours? Fewer stops? Pete – That is the locomotive! #6703! Thanks for the photo! I think you are right about the cylinder drain pipes, but it still looks kind of weird to have them point forward. 88” drivers are indeed some very good size drivers. Thanks for the description of BR Headcodes! Kind of strange that the Southern Region used a 6-lamp headcode position. But I guess they had a good reason for it. Did that mean they couldn’t borrow locomotives from other regions?
Eric
Here is a bit of light reading for everybody something I've pulled out of the archieves,some prototype kitbashing if you will.Hey Leon that draft was good how bout another
CLASSIC DIESELS # 29 C&NW's RECYCLED BALDWINS
The C&NW's recycled Baldwin AS-16's were purchased second hand from te original owners the Missouri Kansas & Texas.When dieselization first started the MKT like most other railroads continued to by locomotives from all the players. Baldwin being the big fish in the steam era was late to begin producing locomotives , but heir longtime steam era partners bought their offerings readily when they became available. The MKT was an early buyer buying a modest fleet of Baldwins 1600hp 4 axel AS-16 ( Baldwins answer to the GP7 )By 1958 Baldwin was out of the game and the MKT like other RR's didn't want the expense of maintaining alot of minority builders parts so they had their fleet 18 AS16's rebuilt by EMD ( then the King of locomotives ) with EMD 567C primemovers ( GP9 engine ) the 567C's were designed to produce 1750hp but in this application they were delivered at a derated 1500hp.So between Feb of 1958 and March of 1960 17 of these locomotives were rebuilt ( one was a wreck right off )
The units kept their Baldwin frames , cabs ,trucks and short hoods.However a GP9 hood replaced the original Baldwin longhood ( fit the 567C and it's associated equipment better )In 1970 these were sold to Precision National's lease fleet.
In 1972 the C&NW began leasing,then purchased 14 of these AS16m's.One was found to be defective and was returned to Precision National and scrapped.The 13 units entered C&NW service as No's 1485-1495 and 1497-1498.These loco's ran into the late 80's before finally giveing up and scrapped.
As a footnote this began a long relation ship with the C&NW and Precision National. C&NW bougth many a rebuilt GP7's or GP9's as well as rebuilt SD7's and SD9's from them.Even a few of PC's ex UP / ATSF SD24's came to the C&NW as rebuilt lowhood SD20's.Goes to show one person's trash is someone else's treasure.
Good evening Leon, I think a draft of your choice tonight ( just not any of Boris's concotions )
CM3 Shane-I remember being in a Hobby shop at Hamburg likely the one down the street.At the time it was multi-scaled but leaned heavily to the Lionel range of things.I figured that you would have a few bits of info after Tom's original post,you didn't disapoint thanks
Tom-Busy day for you , liked the Northshore Limited piece and nice to see the ole B&O info again as well,busy day for you sir,you must be boared
I did a bit of checking the CN has twelve GMD1's still on the roster in stored servicable status and there are at least a half dozen others that are on long term leases to shortlines,so a few are still kicking around.Not near the more than 100 wich were built though.
Pete-I too thought for a moment that 20 fingers had desended upon us Interesting info though.I had always wondered about the lack of headlights on BR loco's now it all makes sence somehow.Amazing how many named engines there are in the UK,I can think of very few if any over here. The B&O's President class Pacifics.The CPR named a few locomotives early on in the 1880's but stopped naming loco's before the turn of the last century. The Leheighs John Wilks,C&O's Jawn Henery are about the only other one's I can think of.
Great photo's today by the way as well I hope you enjoy the mushy peas I wouldn't recomend putting them in the black bag though after your disaster with the pop bottle.
Ooooommmigosh - thought that 20 Fingers had returned! <phew> Was only the Wolfman doing his "thing" with those names of the "92" - glad it wasn't ninety two of 'em!
Here's a little something extra for this fine day . . .
Now arriving on track #1 .....
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number One Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O)
<A form of this was initially Posted on 30 Jan 2006, Page 233 of the original Thread>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Locale: New York City, New York via Baltimore, Maryland to Chicago, Illinois and St. Louis, Missouri Reporting marks: B&O Dates of operation: 1830 - 1963 Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge) The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O) is one of the oldest railroads in the United States, with an original line from the port of Baltimore, Maryland west to the Ohio River at Wheeling, West Virginia and Parkersburg, West Virginia. It is now part of the CSX network, and includes the oldest operational railroad bridge in the world. The B&O also coincidentally included the Leiper Railroad, the first permanent railroad in the U.S. The railroad's former shops in Baltimore, including the Mt. Clare roundhouse, now house the B&O Railroad Museum. History Chapter 123 of the 1826 Session Laws of Maryland, passed February 28, 1827, and the state of Virginia on March 8, 1827, chartered the Baltimore and Ohio Rail Road Company, with the task of building a railroad from the port of Baltimore, Maryland west to a suitable point on the Ohio River. The railroad, formally incorporated April 24, was intended to provide an alternative, faster, route for Midwestern goods to reach the East Coast than the seven-year-old, hugely successful, but slow Erie Canal across upstate New York. Construction began on July 4, 1828, and the first section, from Baltimore west to Ellicott's Mills (now known as Ellicott City), opened on May 24, 1830. Further extensions opened to Frederick (including the short Frederick Branch) December 1, 1831, Point of Rocks April 2, 1832, Sandy Hook December 1, 1834 (the connection to the Winchester and Potomac Railroad at Harpers Ferry opening in 1837), Martinsburg May 1842, Hancock June 1842, Cumberland November 5, 1842, Piedmont July 21, 1851, Fairmont June 22, 1852 and its terminus at Wheeling, West Virginia (then part of Virginia) on January 1, 1853. On July 20, 1877 there were bloody riots in Baltimore, Maryland from Baltimore and Ohio Railroad workers. Nine rail workers were killed at the hands of the Maryland militia. The next day workers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania staged a sympathy strike that was also met with an assault by the state militia; Pittsburgh then erupted into widespread rioting. The Pennsylvania Railroad acquired the Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore Railroad in the early 1880s, cutting off the B&O's access to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The B&O chartered the Philadelphia Branch in Maryland and the Baltimore and Philadelphia Railroad in Delaware and Pennsylvania and built a parallel route, finished in 1886. The Baltimore Belt Railroad, opened in 1895, connected the main line to the Philadelphia Branch without the need for a car ferry across the Patapsco River, but the cost of its Howard Street Tunnel drove the B&O to bankruptcy in 1896. The Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad took control of the B&O in 1963, and incorporated it, along with the Western Maryland Railway, into the Chessie System in 1973. In 1980, the Chessie System merged with the Seaboard System Railroad to create CSX. In 1986, the B&O finally went out of existence when it formally merged with the C&O (which itself formally merged with CSX later that same year). At the height or railroading's golden age, the B&O was one of several trunk lines uniting the northeast quadrant of the United States into an industrial zone. It marked the southern border and corresponded to the New York Central's marking of the northern border. The Pennsy and the Erie railroads worked the center. The corners of this map are Baltimore in the southeast, Albany in the northeast, Chicago in the northwest, and St. Louis in the southwest. Early engineering When construction began on the B&O in the 1820s, railroad engineering was in its infancy. Unsure of exactly which materials would suffice, the B&O erred on the side of sturdiness and built many of its early structures of granite. Even the track bed to which iron strap rail was affixed consisted of the stone. Though the granite soon proved too unforgiving and expensive for track, most of the B&O's bridges have survived until the present, and many are still in active railroad use by CSX. Baltimore's Carrollton Viaduct, named in honor of Charles Carroll of Carrollton, is North America's oldest railroad bridge still in use. The Thomas Viaduct in Relay, Maryland was the longest bridge in the United States upon its completion in 1835, and remains in use as well. Branches Washington In 1831 a law was passed in Maryland, enabling the B&O to build its Washington Branch, connecting Baltimore to the national capital of Washington, D.C. This opened in 1835, and later served as a terminus for the Annapolis and Elk Ridge Railroad to Annapolis. Frederick The Frederick Branch was built as part of the original line, opening on December 1, 1831. The continuation of the main line from Frederick Junction opened April 2, 1832. Metropolitan The Metropolitan Branch was opened in the early 1870s. It leaves the District of Columbia and proceeds northwest through Montgomery County, joining the B&O main line at Point of Rocks. It serves as a bypass around Baltimore and is still in active use. Georgetown The line was operated in some manner from 1889 until 1985 when it was proposed for abandonment; it served basically as a minor freight spur carrying coal and building materials to local outlets in Chevy Chase, Bethesda and Georgetown. It was originally built with the intention of connecting to southern railroads to compete with the Pennsylvania Railroad's Long Bridge, but no bridge across the Potomac River was ever built. The abandoned right-of-way is now used as the Capital Crescent Trail. Trivia
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Baltimore & Ohio EM-1 7621 on Mance Curve, Mance, PA.
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Enjoy! Tom
Surely it was not a pint every five names RUTH, oh my poor bar bill
CM3. As promised the BR Class 92 names.
001 Victor Hugo
002 H.G. Wells
003 Beethoven
004 Jane Austin
005 Mozart
006 Louis Armand
007 Schubert
008 Jules Verne
009 Elgar
010 Moliere
011 Handel
012 Thomas Hardy
013 Puccini
014 Emile Zola
015 D.H Lawarance
016 Brahms
017 Shakespeare
018 Stendhal
019 Wagner
020 Milton
021 Purcell
022 Charles Dickens*
023 Ravel
024 J.S.Bach
025 Oscar Wilde
026 Britten
027 George Eliot
028 Saint Saens
029 Dante
030 Ashford*
031 The Institute of Logistics and Transport*
032 Cesar Franck
033 Berlioz
034 Kipling
035 Mendelssohn
036 Bertolt Brecht
037 Sullivan
038 Voltaire
039 Johann Strauss
040 Goethe
041 Vaughan Williams
042 Honegger
043 Debussy
044 Couperin
045 Chaucer
046 Sweelinck.
As can be seen a couple of the names strayed from the main theme. The names marked * were, from memory, cast nameplates while the rest were as in the photo of 92018.
Another round please RUTH.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the U-Tube clip on the Deltics. Many thanks for the info on the FM units. I guess it was the same basic sound, with some differences in the number of cylinders the engine had. I have a photo of a British center cab design in my post to Tom on Headcodes.
Enjoyed the PRR locomotive and freight photos.
ERIC Many thanks for the link to the U-tube clip of #844 on the bridge at Boone IA ,if there had been left hand running it would have been better for the photographer when 844 meets the freight on the bridge. I don't suppose the new bridge will have the same appearance as the old one.
Thanks for the link to the PRR # 4483, the last survivor of her class but seems to be in fairly good condition and the photo of the class 234 it looks a powerful locomotive but has not got the style of the class 200s and 221s I feel.
I think this is the diesel-electric locomotive we are thinking of.
I guess the cylinder drain pipes were there to direct the steam away from anyone on the station platform and perhaps to stop the steam from disturbing the ballast on the track.
88-inch drivers. I bet it made for a very fast locomotive but I imagine they must have taken a fair bit of skill to get them on the move without a lot of wheel spin.
Enjoyed the photos of the Chinese 2-8-2 in Boone.
CM3 Many thanks for the Pennsylvania Railroad passenger trains in West Virginia and their consists. It seems the New York to Wheeling Pullman ran at convenient times with an 8.05 PM departure and at 8AM arrival at Wheeling.
I will get my book out and give you a list of the class 92 names.
Had the first of the Mushy peas last evening I had forgotten just how good they are, many thanks for the tip on how to get them.
TOM Really enjoyed the new series Heralds, Drumheads, Ads, Covers ‘n' Stuff Three great railroads to start the series with.
The facts on the Pennsy are very impressive with a budget larger than the government at one time. I wonder if the great looking locomotive on the cover of the book or one of the same class survived and is in a museum.
It seems a real shame that those three great railroads had to merge to become Penn Central, perhaps if they could have survived a few more years and with the up turn in rail freight they could have been around today. I think it would be a nice touch if Amtrak would have three locomotives that work in the North East painted in PRR NYC and NH colors.
Yes when one thinks about the Internet it really is wonderful what is on there but as Rob says there always are those who have to try to spoil things.
I agree the 92s are not bad looking locomotives, but for an electric they are very noisy, there is no mistaking them. From my old house you could hear the sound of their fans when the wind was right. I agree though it can't hold a candle to that B1.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day on the North Coast Limited, reading the post it seems a really first class train but it seems to me that the Empire Builder got more recognition than the North Coast Limited, it certainly had a long reign of 71 years. I had not heard of rubber roller bearings on the cars, I wonder how successful they were. It was a good touch adding the Parlor cars for the daylight parts of the journey.
A short description of BR Headcodes.
As Eric has noted the British and Irish locomotives did not have proper headlights until fairly recent times when all locomotives and units now have high intensity headlights I think this stems from the very early days of British railways when a law was past that all railways had to have fence protecting the railway.
The locos carried small oil lamps and in steam days on BR and probably earlier, there were brackets on the front of locomotives to fix the lamps to, usually in 4 positions, as in the photo of Hardwicke which is the first of my Rainhill photos in the 3rd post on page 198 on Our Place II. The position of the lamps was used to tell the signalmen which class of train was approaching his box, e.g. Express Passenger or Fast Freight, slow freight etc. The early BR diesels had the same arrangement on the front with hinged white discs and small lights on the front of the locomotive.
In the early 1960s this was changed to the 4-charcter code with the first number denoting the type of train the second was a letter that showed the trains destination and the next two numbers was the trains individual number.
As the number of the small block signalboxes were closed and the signaling controlled from ‘Power Boxes' some now controlling 100s of miles of track from one box, there was no need for a reporting number to be carried so the locomotives no longer were built with a headcode box.
After the locomotives no longer caried a Headcode the boxes were plated over and two lights added as on the class 47 diesel.Today the steam locomotives working specials on the main line have to have a high intensity headlight. On A4 60009 in the photo, it has been disguised as a traditional oil lamp.
The first locomotives built without a heacode box was the class 87 electrics introduced in 1973.The photo was taken at Cathiron about 4 miles north of Rugby a favorite place of mine to watch trains.
Although not carried by locomotives the 4-character code is still used in the power boxes and is shown up in small box as the train is followed on its journey on the panels operated by the track circuits. Also it is still used by railway platform staff etc and appears in the working timetable issued to them and in special notices.
The Southern Region used a 6-lamp headcode position, with white discs for easier sighting in daytime; these were used to denote the route the trains were taking. When the electric units came in the Southern used two numbers to show the same thing.
The SR disc headcode. The discs in this postion are for a train between London Victoria and Brighton via the Quarry line(the Quarry line is the main line that bypasses Redhill).The photo shows the Southern Region style of headboard used for their named trains.
As I said to Eric I have a booklet called British Railways Headcodes, from 1961, I will have to bring to the Rendezvous .
Well RUTH a round please and keep the Bathams coming while I do the 92 names for CM3.
Good to see Rob 'n CM3 Shane "in" this morning . . . Specific comments later.
Figured this might be of interest to the gang . . .
Back in the Day - Number Fifteen
North Coast Limited
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Northern Pacific train No. 25, the North Coast Limited, pulls out of Billings, Montana circa 1960.
The North Coast Limited was a named passenger train operated by the Northern Pacific Railway between Chicago and Seattle via Bismarck, North Dakota. It commenced service on April 29, 1900 served briefly as a Burlington Northern Railroad train after the merger on March 2, 1970 with Great Northern Railway and Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad, and ceased operation the day before Amtrak began service (May 1, 1971). The Chicago Union Station to St. Paul leg of the train's route was operated by the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy railroad along its Mississippi River mainline through Wisconsin. The train also had a Portland section which split off the Seattle section at Pasco, Washington and was operated by NP subsidiary Spokane, Portland, and Seattle Railway between Pasco and Portland.
For much of its history, the North Coast Limited was particularly noted for its dining car service which ranked among the best in the railroad passenger business.
Heavyweight North Coast Limited
Inaugurated on April 29, 1900, between St.Paul, Minnesota, and Puget Sound, the North Coast Limited was one of the first named trains in the United States. Initially the Northern Pacific launched the train as a summer-only service but due to its popularity service was expanded to a year-round daily operation in 1902. The North Coast Limited operated as Number 1 westbound and Number 2 eastbound.
In 1909 the train was re-equipped with new heavyweight cars constructed by Pullman-Standard and added a Portland section which operated via the Spokane, Portland and Seattle Railway between Spokane, Washington and Portland, Oregon.
On December 17, 1911, service was also extended east of St. Paul directly into Chicago over the Chicago and North Western Railway. In 1918 the Chicago to St. Paul leg was shifted to the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad via that roads' Mississippi River mainline, a route that persisted until 1971. With the change in carriers the eastern terminus of the train changed from Chicago's Northwestern Station to Union Station.
On May 14, 1930 the North Coast Limited was again re-equipped with a new heavyweight steel equipment. The new trains were launched with cars that featured rubber roller bearings, brass windows, barber and valet services, a barber shop, separate bath and shower facilities for men and women, a soda fountain and radios on-board. Parlor cars were also added to the consist for the daylight portions of the run.
The Streamlined Vista-Dome North Coast Limited
In 1946 the Northern Pacific board of directors authorized the purchase of new streamlined equipment for the railroad, beginning with the North Coast Limited. The new train began service in 1952. From 1952-1970 this was truly one of the world's finest trains. Everything was streamlined and upgraded. Tables in the dining car were set with fresh flowers and linen table cloths. The luxury train crew included a stewardess who was also registered nurse. The trains' two-tone green paint scheme and Lewis and Clark-themed interiors were designed by industrial designer Raymond Loewy. The Streamlined North Coast Limited operated daily as Northern Pacific train Number 25 westbound and Number 26 eastbound. Train Numbers 1 and 2 were re-assigned to a secondary Chicago-Seattle service named the Mainstreeter, which took its name from the Northern Pacific advertising slogan "Main Street of the Northwest."
In 1954 Northern Pacific Railway introduced the dome car to the consist and renamed their flagship train, "The Vista-Dome North Coast Limited."
The scenic route went west across Northern Illinois to the Mississippi River at Savanna, and then more or less followed the Mississippi through La Crosse, Wisconsin, St. Paul, and Minneapolis in Minnesota as far as Little Falls, Minnesota. North Dakota cities served includes Fargo, Bismarck, and Dickinson. Crossing Montana, the train passed through Glendive, Billings, Livingston, Bozeman, Butte, and Missoula. Passing though Sandpoint, Idaho, the train made stops at Spokane, Pasco, Yakima, and East Auburn (a stop for Tacoma) before terminating at the King Street Station in Seattle. The trip from Chicago's Union Station to Seattle was just under two days, taking about 45 hours.
The original train ceased operation with the Amtrak takeover. The last train operated on April 30, 1971, exactly seventy-one years and one day after the inaugural run.
Amtrak North Coast Hiawatha
On June 5, 1971 service was reinstated over much of the former North Coast Limited route by Amtrak as the North Coast Hiawatha. the train's name was an amalgam of North Coast Limited and Olympian Hiawatha, the Milwaukee Road's former pacific northwest train. The train was combined with the Amtrak Empire Builder between Chicago and Minneapolis and between Spokane and Seattle (at the time the Empire Builder used the former North Coast Limited route between Spokane and Seattle, via Yakima) and operated three days per week. On November 14, 1971, the North Coast Hiawatha began operating as a separate train from Chicago to Spokane (and daily between Chicago and Minneapolis on former Milwaukee Road trackage). It still combined with the Empire Builder between Spokane and Seattle. On June 11, 1973, the North Coast Hiawatha began operating as a separate train (still tri-weekly, except during some summer and holiday periods) all the way from Chicago to Seattle; the segment between Spokane and Seattle used was the former Empire Builder route via Cascade Tunnel.
The North Coast Limited was the Northern Pacific's flagship train and the Northern Pacific itself was built along the trail first blazed by Lewis and Clark.
Much of the route today is not served by passenger train, through Amtrak's Empire Builder does run on some of the same trackage in its St. Paul-Moorhead and Sandpoint-Pasco segments. The lone remaining Chicago to Seattle/Portland passenger train today is Amtrak's Empire Builder which primarily traverses much of the former Great Northern route west of St. Paul, Minnesota via Grand Forks and Minot, ND; Havre, Whitefish, and Glacier National Park in Montana; and Wenatchee and Everett in Washington State.
Books
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From other sources:
Missed any CLICK on the URL then go to the Page shown . . . .
#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102
#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103
#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116
#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126
#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126
#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133
#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140
#8 The Broadway Ltd of the PRR . . . Page 148
#9 The NYC 20th Century Ltd . . . Page 163
#10 The Baltimore & Ohio's Capitol Ltd . . . Page 167
#11 - Kansas City Southern's Southern Belle . . . Page 169
#12 - Great Northern's Empire Builder . . . Page 181
#13 -Canadian Railroad Trilogy . . . Page 187
#14 - The Original California Zephyr . . . Page 194
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Yes, Frostbite, the Pens were on TV last night and it snowed here again - warm weather does not seem to be getting a foothold at all.
Pete was by - A locomotive named for Stendahl - egad! Do you have a list or a site with the rest of the names?
Rob was by with comments and shots from Hamburg, NY. The Erie station where the I1 sits has become a hobby shop again - Lionel and big stuff strictly. The store used to be up the road about a mile from the depot.
Eric - Nice pictures of the Chinese 2-8-2: front end reminds me of some of the monsters the D&H used to have (I know, Boris, they were 2-8-0s and their firebox was different but ...)
OSP has started another series.
"Flashy" McGinnis indeed; he single-handedly managed to destroy the New Haven and the Boston and Maine.
The article on the New Haven was not too bad. Their primary connections, however were at Maybrook, NY; and at Bay Ridge, NY. Former was their western outlet and the latter provided connections to The PRR via car float. Bay Ridge was across the Hudson River from the PRR facilities at Greenville, NJ. Transit time for a car float was approximately ½ hour. The New Haven's largest classification yard was at Cedar Hill, CT, just north of New Haven. At one time, it was the largest freight yard east of the Mississippi.
Freight to Boston generally ran via the Shore Line. The New Haven's connection for northern New England was actually north of Boston at Lowell. Yes Boris, I remember seeing flangers clearing snow on that line.
The New Haven also had a fair amount of interchange activity with the B&M at Worcester and with the Boston and Labany (there's an NYC reference) at springfield, Pittsfield and at State Line.
Here's some PRR material.
The Pennsylvania Railroad operated passenger service in West Virginia on a 65.5-mile long line that ran from Pittsburgh to Wheeling . Here's how it worked in 1942.
Train 551 (coaches only) departed Pittsburgh at 3:45 p.m. every day but Sunday. It arrived in Wheeling at 6:15 p.m. On Sundays, train 861 covered the route with a 4:05 p.m. departure from Pittsburgh and a 6:05 p.m. arrival in Wheeling.
Train 539 handled an 8 section/4 double bedroom New York-Wheeling Pullman. This sleeper departed New York at 8:05 p.m. on PRR 39, the "Clevelander." Train 39 arrived at 4:53 a.m. in Pittsburgh. The wheeling sleeper was handed off to PRR train 539 which left the Steel City at 5:30 a.m. and pulled into Wheeling at 8:00 a.m.
Train 520 ran every day between Wheeling and Pittsburgh, departing from Wheeling at 9:30 a.m., with an 11:35 a.m. arrival at Pittsburgh.
Train 538 carried the Wheeling-New York Pullman. PRR 538 departed Wheeling at 8:00 p.m., and arrived in Pittsburgh at 9:50 p.m. The sleeper was handed off to PRR 16-22 at Pittsburgh.
Train 16-22, the "Iron City Express/Statesman," was a typical P Company operation. It carried an 8 section buffet from Pittsburgh to New York. A pair of 12 section/drawing room cars originating on the Louisville and Nashville Railroad Memphis and Birmingham were in the consist. Both of these cars operated via the L&N to Cincinnati where the PRR picked them up. A 12 section/drawing room car and a 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car ran between Pittsburgh and New York.
Train 16-22 also carried cars to Washington, DC. These included a 6 double bedroom buffet from Pittsburgh, and an 8section/5 double bedroom car from Pittsburgh to Washington along with a 12 section/drawing room sleeper. Shorts rode in a 12 section/drawing room car which operated from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg. The Washington cars were cut out at Harrisburg and handed off to PRR train 50.
Since 16-22 originated in Cincinnati, it carried a diner from Cincinnati to Pittsburgh as well as coaches. Additional coaches ran between Pittsburgh and Washington.
P.S. Sox win! Sox win! It was a little different this a.m. having breakfast and watching a ball game. Atlanta-wahsington game on ESPN Sunday evening will be the first at the new stadium in DC.
Morning Ruth, just a quick number three and a BK blast thermos please then I must be off ( the punch clock beckons )
Tom- didn't mean to set off a fire storm,less said the better I suppose
Got the Monday email you should have a reply in your inbox.Baseball season should be interesting this year looks like my bluebirds are picked for third again.Still should be a good team.
That tender was in a sad state, but I have seen much worse,2816 looked to even a bigger basket case before CPR did the rebuild,she was destined for spare parts at Steamtown before the CP bought her back.Those photo's are ten years old too so it might look a whole lot better now ( or worse )
Isn't you tube great , mind you it can and does get abused, yo take the good with the bad.
Eric- Yes that is where I shot those pics, haeven't been back since, that was likley the last time I was in the States period.
I guess those photo's prove that not all things built in China are bad things.
Well guys got to do the 100 yard mosey to the car, catch everyone this evening
Tuesday 'n you know the drill - coffee, pastries 'n breakfasts are all ready!
Monday - March 24th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:43 AM: Turned the Page ‘n who should appear but our Resident WVA Connection - Shane!
Got a kick out of those quotes from Bull Durham. <grin> I recall so many - of course all too racy for this Forum . . . but funny nonetheless. Yes, went to the movies ‘n a baseball game broke out . . .
Opening day here is March 31st against the Rockies ‘n who knows WHAT the field conditions will be . . . BUT there will be 9 against 9 ‘n I'm looking forward to it as well. Gonna be a far different Red Birds team than we've seen ‘round here, but my guess is Tony will have ‘em competitive ‘n that's everything as far as I'm concerned. With so many teams, only 2 get to the World Series. So the next best in the bragging rights business is to say that your team was competitive right ‘til the final swing of the bat.
Many thanx for the visit, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 12:53 PM: Our Bar Chandler arrived much earlier this Monday afternoon than his track record will show . . . <hooray for Wolfman!>
Was hoping that at least one of our dwindling numbers of regulars would remember that Mondays are in need of help - especially from at least ONE guy who has been "off" for a couple of days. We're only SIX regulars <counting Moi> - ‘n I wouldn't be "counting" on any of the irregulars - we can't. That's why they are called IRREGULARS!
Cavalcade explanation makes sense - thanx!
Interesting sound track on that Deltic . . . amazing what the technology of the day brings right to the screen, eh Pick a subject - pick an image - pick a tune, it's all there.
Those class 92s aren't bad to look at - BUT can't hold a candle to that great looking class B1 steamer <double wow>!
Visit, chat, fotos, link ‘n ROUND most appreciated!
Page 2 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 7:53 PM ‘n 8:08 PM: Seems that the Forum's Gremlins are still "at it" - Eric recently mentioned some difficulties with Pix-Posting ‘n you've had some log-in dilemmas - ‘n the beat goes on!
Good insights on those GMD1s . . . a loco that perhaps is already a CLASSIC, eh I'd say so!
Magnitude of the floods ‘round here is nothing like the wide-spread destruction experienced during Katrina. I'm NOT in the "bash the government" camp when it comes to the assistance rendered during that <'n so many other natural disasters>. Guess that's because I've been involved in enough rescue efforts to where I appreciate what it takes to do those kinds of things . . . but back to the point at hand: Midwest floods are NOTHING like Katrina. Victims - yes - they all have the same type problems once the place you call home is beneath the water . . . that's the only similarity as I see it.
Always boggles my mind when some think that there should be a ‘rescuer' for each potential victim. Just doesn't work that way . . . Why in the world would one deliberately send resources into the eye of the storm Seems to be a recipe for making MORE victims. Yet to this day we still hear that kind of thing being shouted by the less than knowledgeable . . . <geesh> See what you started!!?!?
Thanx for the "plug" for our 3rd Anniversary . . . April 12th falls on a Saturday, so as Lars put it - there's really no excuse for not showing up during the daytime. We'll see . . . I'd be happy with just the regulars making an effort to "party hearty"! The six of us could easily do that . . .
Pennsy foto spate fit in well for the day's work! Must say that the deteriorating condition of that tender brings a tear to the eye . . .
Email sent on Monday morning . . .
Enjoyed eavesdropping your Post ‘n appreciate the visit ‘n ROUND!
Tuesday - March 25th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:52 AM: Another early <or late> visit from our Resident NOCTURNAL Desert RETIRED Swede!
Some fine bridge info - still wouldn't feel that "comfortable" crossing it!
That loco may have been made in China but it is unmistakenly North American in design . . . don't like the"adornments" - makes it look "cheesy." Good "fire box" shot . . .
Links, fotos, info ‘n good eavesdropping . . . thanx for the visit!
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