Great Britain: LMS Stainer Class 5 4-6-0 45110 at Bridgnorth (Wikimedia Commons)
G'day Gents!
Looks like the Pete 'n Tom show once again on a Saturday . . . pretty much tells me there's very little interest in daylite Posts over the weekend . . . BUT, I do appreciate the Wolfman being consistent with us <given he's NOT "away" on one of his sojourns . . . >
Figured if I kept at it long enuf, I'd eventually come up with the answer - thanx of course to your HINTS! So, all I need to do in order to collect my winnings is make a trip with you to the UK between April 'n September . . . <geesh> What a deal! <grin> You already KNOW I'd dearly love to do that . . . 'n WINTER would be fine with me, but then the things we'd want to do would be scarce as hen's teeth, eh Probably!
As always, enjoyed your spate o' fotos earlier on . . . what's not to like, eh Not to be concerned about the insufficiency of notes - your memory is excellent. <How in the world would we know any difference >
Tonite is theatre nite - came up on us in a hurry - tickets purchased way in advance for the series of three. We've had the same seats since 1991 - great fun 'n always entertaining. Hoping I'll get my mind concentrated where it belongs . . . been a looooooooooooong week. Anyway, I'll be securing my end of things for the rest of this day 'n nite . . .
Saw where Eric mentioned he was getting the urge to log a train ride . . . perhaps we should be thinking of something like that, eh Youbetcha! Chicago awaits - or even a return to Springfield. We could DO either . . .
Just for you, Mate!
Great Britain: LMS Royal Scot Class 6100 Royal Scot (Public Domain)
Hope you 'n your bride have a great weekend 'n I'll be looking for you EARLY on Monday! Yeah, right! <grin>
Tom
Hi Tom and all.
Another Bathams please CINDY..
TOM As you say it is not at all pleasant outside today, although it is a bit better now the clouds have lifted a bit.
Yes a BELL is the right answer.We will just have to go over to England between April and September to claim your prize athough New Zealand plays in the winter months.
Many thanks for the great selection of photos.From that wonderfully snowy photo from aboard the Denali Star through Canada and Chicago to Rendezvous II crossing the Mississippi River. It is great the Chicago Union station is still with us and it is almost possible to feel the cold in photo of VIA Rail # 6444 and #6445 at Capreol ON.
Another round is in order I think please CINDY
Pete.
Saturdays! It's hot, hot, hot 'n that puts me in a less than "social" frame of mind! <geesh>
When I see one of the boyz, I try to respond in kind . . . but if no one comes thru those portals - zip, zero, zilch from Moi. Which of course makes the bar a lonely place <groan>
Thanx to Pete, all isn't a loss! Always look forward to your visits. Hmmmmm, a BELL!!! I said I wouldn't but did - so is that "it" <grin>
And speaking of summer heat - it's hotter ‘n the shades of Hades out there with humidity too high to be called comfortable. I detest this <crap> Arrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh. <phew> Move over Juneau, I want to place myself atop the air conditioner vent too! <grin>
Here's a spate from my collection of Random Fotos for this Saturday . . .
(1) Eastbound GO Train at Pickering Station <Rendezvous I>
(2) CPR 4-6-4 #2850 at ExpoRail railway museum <2007 Canada Rail Adventure w/Pete>
(3) From the northbound ARR Denali Star <2006 Alaska Rail Adventure>
(4) Westbound VIA Rail F40PHs #6444 & 6445 at Capreol, ON <2nd Cross-Canada trip>
(5) St. Louis riverfront & President Casino from Missouri-bound MetroLink <Rendezvous II>
(6) Chicago's Union Station great hall <trip w/Pete>
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Enjoy the weekend!
A pint of Bathams Bitter this rather humid Mid-Mo afternoon please CINDY
ROB. Thanks for offering to speak up for me; yes it would be my luck that if I got in trouble in Canada, those guys we met in Montreal would be on the jury.
Enjoying the info on the subway snow blowers.
Like Tom, you are near with your answer to the quiz, next go is sure to get it right, thanks for having a go. The advantage of the prize is a cricket match goes on a long time and the bar is open.
ERIC Yes so near to turning page 60 on your 600th post, still with Anni-Fredand the brunette on the Can Am Daylight Flyer indeed.
Many thanks for the URL to the Orange Empire Railway Museum they have some very interesting exhibits there, especially in their other traction section. The Horse Express car and the Drovers Caboose are interesting vehicles, in the Santa Fe section, as well.
Glad you liked the photos yes indeed the steam locomotive one is the best we certainly though when steam finished on BR in 1968 we would ever see a Stanier Pacific through Rugby again.
Great photo of the Silver Horizon car.
TOM Thanks for the kind words.
Rob and you are so close with the quiz, so another clue grade crossings have them here but not in the UK.
I should have put some steam sounds on when you was here , I have a couple of cassettes of them that were given away free with a UK Steam Magazine many years ago. Your comment reminded me of a cartoon in a railway magazine once. A guy and his lady friend were sitting in his living room, lit by candles, and he was putting on a record, saying to her. "Would you prefer express trains of some soft switching".
Glad you enjoyed the photos I really enjoy putting them up, they bring back good memories, some I had forgotten about. Trouble is, I did not take extensive notes at the time so some I don't have as much detail on the locos or locations as I would like.
Many thanks for the bottomless stein. No, it was my own fault that I got H&H and Eric got ABBA, although H&H did try to sing and dance to Dancing Queen, until the observation car started to rock alarmingly when we were crossing the Can-Am Gorge...
Yes another trip to the Barriger Library looks in order, no doubt there will be a book with the D&RGW Durango to Silverton timetables in there.
It is strange how some dogs love cars and some are the opposite, our pooch loves to go, although gets bored on highways but is alert on country lanes, she wanted to get in the post truck that pull in alongside us the other day on her walk.
The Steel Rails to Victory is certainly a classic book on the subject it covers.
Today I thought I would post some British units. A couple in the snow perhaps it might make us feel a bit cooler in the warm weather here..
On the preserved Keighley & Worth Valley Railway in Yorkshire a Waggon und Maschinenbau 4-wheel Railbus calls at Howarth station. these cars had a Buessing 150 HP engine weighed 15 tons and could seat 56 passengers .
At Rothley on the preserved Great Central Railway a class127 DMU. These 4-car units had two power cars and two trailer cars and worked the service between Bedford and London St Pancras on the Midland Main Line, before this section of the MML was electrified. They had Hydraulic transmission and powered by a Rolls Royce 238 HP engine in each power car.
A class 104 arrives at Manchester Victoria station, they were built as 3-car units with 2 power cars by the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. with Leyland 150 HP engines and mechanical transmission.
Also at Man.Vic. a Manchester- Bury EMU leaves the station. These 2-car units worked on the 1,200 Volt D.C. side contact third rail system.They were powered by 2 English Electric 141HP traction motors. Today the Manchester to Bury line forms part of the Manchester Metro Light Rail system, with the tram cars running on the street after leaving Victoria station through the centre of Manchester.
Although not railway a photo of the Oxford Canal make help to feel a bit less of the heat.
Well CINDY a round please and I'll have a steak if there is any left.
NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE!
The RR BOOK RELAY 2008! continues on as Eric's book, Steel Rails to Victory, has made it over to Nick! I liked the book so much that I ordered a hardbound copy <1970 ed.> for myself!
Signed up are: Tom - Pete - Nick - CM3 Shane - Rob ‘n Allan!
From the jacket Hundreds of photographs, some from the archives of the warring powers and never-before reproduced, tell the exciting story of the role of railroads in World War II. From hastily constructed light railways in forward positions to the vast, efficient rail networks existing in the interior of every belligerent nation, all battle plans had to take the railroad situation into serious consideration.Where rail service was delayed and finally destroyed, armies were compromised and eventually defeated in the field. It is significant that the first strategic air raid by the great American bombers was directed against a railway objective near Rouen in occupied France. The inherent characteristics of economy and flexibility in railways were revealed in every phase of the war and even involved them to a considerable degree in the commission of atrocities.The European theater of operations was in every sense a "railroad war, in which track conditions and locomotive availability figures were as vital as ammunition and troop strength. Mr. Ziel, however, not only discussed the war in Europe but also the importance of railroads in some Pacific operations as well as the home-front American railroads.The stories of the railroads, the railroad men, and the railroad armies of World War II unfold in the dramatic photographs and fascinating narrative of STEEL RAILS TO VICTORY. Here is a lasting document to interest both the railroad fan and the historian of what was perhaps the last great "railroad war."
Hundreds of photographs, some from the archives of the warring powers and never-before reproduced, tell the exciting story of the role of railroads in World War II. From hastily constructed light railways in forward positions to the vast, efficient rail networks existing in the interior of every belligerent nation, all battle plans had to take the railroad situation into serious consideration.Where rail service was delayed and finally destroyed, armies were compromised and eventually defeated in the field. It is significant that the first strategic air raid by the great American bombers was directed against a railway objective near Rouen in occupied France. The inherent characteristics of economy and flexibility in railways were revealed in every phase of the war and even involved them to a considerable degree in the commission of atrocities.The European theater of operations was in every sense a "railroad war, in which track conditions and locomotive availability figures were as vital as ammunition and troop strength. Mr. Ziel, however, not only discussed the war in Europe but also the importance of railroads in some Pacific operations as well as the home-front American railroads.The stories of the railroads, the railroad men, and the railroad armies of World War II unfold in the dramatic photographs and fascinating narrative of STEEL RAILS TO VICTORY. Here is a lasting document to interest both the railroad fan and the historian of what was perhaps the last great "railroad war."
Where rail service was delayed and finally destroyed, armies were compromised and eventually defeated in the field. It is significant that the first strategic air raid by the great American bombers was directed against a railway objective near Rouen in occupied France. The inherent characteristics of economy and flexibility in railways were revealed in every phase of the war and even involved them to a considerable degree in the commission of atrocities.
The European theater of operations was in every sense a "railroad war, in which track conditions and locomotive availability figures were as vital as ammunition and troop strength. Mr. Ziel, however, not only discussed the war in Europe but also the importance of railroads in some Pacific operations as well as the home-front American railroads.
The stories of the railroads, the railroad men, and the railroad armies of World War II unfold in the dramatic photographs and fascinating narrative of STEEL RAILS TO VICTORY. Here is a lasting document to interest both the railroad fan and the historian of what was perhaps the last great "railroad war."
This is a fine CLASSIC wartime railroad/railway book!
As is the practice, keep me apprised of the progress via Email . . .
<AeroTrain at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Time for a mugga Joe, a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n perhaps an order for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to kick off this Saturday morning with us!
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Logged in Drop off at least a word or three ‘n maybe ONE foto! Every visit doesn't have to be a major endeavor. C'mon - it takes all of us to keep this place going. Thanx!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - July 25th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 60 - Pete <pwolfe> at 2:14 PM: "In" with a mid-day offering for the gang - another fine example of what an < I3 > Post should be <informative, interesting ‘n inclusive>!
Not at all sure where you "detected" my desire for another quiz question, but there's little doubt you've come up with another "show stopper"!! <grin> Only Brit rail guys would be able to KNOW such a thing! <geesh>
In viewing that link you put up on the railway sounds, it occurred to me that I've a long, long way to go before anyone puts me into THAT category of enthusiast. Whatever flicks the Bic, eh Interesting . . .
Easy to see the North American influence in some of the steamers in the UK . . . early on, the reverse applied to steamers over here in the 19th century. Long, proud history of motive power that made its way across the pond ‘n back!
Want to specifically acknowledge your efforts at promoting the way we "do things" at the bar. As Lars used to insist upon, one just cannot "belong" ‘til one fully climbs aboard <or something like that!> Thanx, Mate - but don't be too terribly disappointed - everyone isn't willing to devote the time ‘n effort . . .
Enjoyed your comments, good cheer ‘n business! <KaChing> <KaChing>
Page 60 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:54 PM: Back with the promised spate o' fotos! Narratives always make a huge difference ‘n we appreciate the time ‘n effort you put into your Posts!
Do I detect a wee bit of envy creeping in regarding Eric's prizes for turning the Page to 60 Hmmmmmm. You too won a daylite round trip . . . have a bottomless stein ‘n a teak ‘n mahogany stool. Must be ABBA - or absence thereof that <gotcha>.
Your quiz efforts are "something else," Mate - just "something else," indeed. I'll pass on a 2nd "go" . . . but at least I tried. <groan>
Perhaps there may be a silver lining to that cloud over the railways . . . the link that Dan provided gives a wee bit of hope for the return to steam. Makes sense - really does.
Not trying to be trite or funny, but the only way you'd "know," would be to jump in a time MoSheen - travel to Colorado, ‘n take each of those trains! <grin> Then again, maybe the Barriger Library has reference material you could delve into . . . a bit more practical than trying to locate a time MoSheen, eh
Visit, chat, fotos ‘n ROUND always appreciated!
Page 60 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:55 PM: Hmmmmm, seems you DID "get" the gist of my comments, after all! <grin> Yes, buttons do have a certain advantage - at times!
Off ‘til Monday, eh Hope that means we'll see a bit more over this week end.
Let's see - "there are trains in those photo's you just can't see them," hmmmmmmmm.
Makes perfect sense to Moi! <babble> <babble> <mumble> <grumble>
Try as you may - once you put up "Subway Snow Blower," you'll have to live with the consequences! You can ‘splain it all you want . . . but ain't no way of denying that the words tell a different story!
Now, let's get this straightened out - you brought those H&H "creatures" to the bar - Hilda ‘n Helga. You said they were mother - daughter. Now I see you have ‘em as twins. Let's get it all sorted out . . . <geesh> Perhaps you are using "twins" in a more general sense - as both being equally repulsive to the eye! <yikes>
A fine < I3 > Post along with your good cheer made for a fine nite-cap at the bar!
Saturday - July 26th:
Page 60 - Eric <EricX2000> at 2:16 AM <12:16 AM Sandbox time>: Evidence that you ARE retired would include more frequent DAYLITE visits at the bar. It's nice having our Sandman ‘round here to keep Ruth ‘n company busy!
The Volvo was purchased for our dog. We decided that our former best friend <Fred the Husky> "needed" a station wagon for those times when he was to be taken to the vet, etc. He was at a point in life where putting him in the back of our 2-door coupe <Buick Regal> was more of a hassle on him than necessary. He was up there in years <nearing 16> and no longer had the agility needed to get himself out of tight situations. So, when he slipped to the floor between the front ‘n back seats - well, it was very, very trying getting him out. Anyway, a station wagon seemed to be the answer. Sooooooooo, since I always had a "thing" for Volvos - but never could afford one - I decided to buy one anyway. That's the story ‘n I'm stickin' to it! <grin>
Fred passed on at 16 years 2 months - the Volvo is still here - ‘n so am I! <grin> Wish I could say that I had "lo mileage"! Juneau doesn't care for any vehicles - although he jumps right in ‘n goes to his "crate." But once we start up - he howls ‘n howls ‘n howls ‘til we get to the destination. <smile>
You've got the best I could find on the TurboTrains . . .
Welllllllll, I suppose there are some who would say that 20 ft seas are "rough," but in the waters frequented by our sea going friend from Canada, that's pretty much to be expected. It's when you start getting those 40 ft seas when the oil gets separated from the water <or something like that>. <yikes>
The best experiences on the rails I've had were in observation dome cars - there's been nothing to beat ‘em - nothing. I dearly luved the UltraDomes of the Alaska RR - modern, spacious ‘n full of amenities. But when it comes to the charm of riding the rails - give me a "traditional" dome anytime - the observation domes are #1! . Yeah, by far the best that Budd built!
Fine link to the Orange Empire - I had no clue there was such a place! Probably drove by that area a couple of times, not realizing what kind of a "treasure" awaited if only I had exited! <grin> But that was then - it was mostly all business - so this is now. Maybe one day . . .
Many thanx for your good cheer ‘n < I3 > Post!
Reminder: Cindy has the bar until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, #1, please. Good to see you!
My visit tonight is delayed by lost connection to the www and a sudden thunderstorm. Now everything is quiet again, and here I am.
Tom – I was surprised to find I turned the Page to 60. Too bad I didn’t manage to make it with my 600th post, which this is. But I guess I can’t get it all. Thank you for the bottomless stein and the mahogny stool! And, of course, ABBA, including Anni-Frid! Not to forget the trip aboard the Can-Am Daylite Flyer!!!! Wow!! For two? Where is the brun... ahhh, there she is!! Thanks for the Amtrak Rolling Stock link, a lot of interesting info. It says that all TurboTrains have been destroyed! Too bad they didn’t save any. I wonder if any of the Canadian trains was preserved? $199 per hour for labor? Wow, that IS expensive, crazy! 35,000 miles in 7 years! Your car is barely broken in.Evidence that I am fully retired? What kind of evicdence? I have only 28 days left to work!! 20 ft sea may be calm for you and Fergie but not for me. I’ll pass!Denver & Rio Grande Western was a fascinating railroad. Perfectly illustrated with the photos of the Observation Dome Cars! I have only one photo of an observation car and I have showed it before, but here it is once more.
Maricopa, AZ. DL – Hope you will be able to take that trip by train across the US! I certainly would love to get on a train again! The Orange Empire Railway museum is a very interesting place, see the link.http://www.oerm.org/CM3 – Thanks for the info on Paul Kiefer! He certainly designed some good locomotives! Pete – 111Ëš is on the warm side, but not real hot. Thanks for the congratulations! The brunette and I am going on that train ride aboard the Can-Am Daylite Flyer!Some very nice photos! Of course the bottom one is the top one!
Eric
Good evening Leon , I see it's been one of those days (daze) here but no matter I see that the main chunk of the gang have been out about the decks so not all was lost for the day.Just a Keith's tonight for me there Leon thanks.
Tom=huhhh Since that opening paragrpgh sounds like sonething out of a pain drug induced haze we will ignore it and let it slide under the table ( not unlike the track gangs ) Suffice to say button flies help avoid such disasterous and embarassing situations as you so fancifully described.
Actually I'm still off till Monday so I had more time than usual on my hands so I decided to spend it with you folks ( I'm nice like that )I figured you would lie the stretch of HWY 11 if it makes you happy just out of the picture to the left and down a short embankment would be the CNR / ONR ROW So technically there are trains in those photo's you just can't see them.
I'm up for an ONR rendezvous with any and all takers Loved the repeat from the sub basement as well
Dan-Great to see you again, yes the ONR is the only way to experiance the "North Country"The ride on the LOB RR is short but a fun way to spend a portion of your afternoon,neat history to the whole thing as well.
Eric-Yes a subway snowblower, wierd but whatchagonnado They do have a fair bit of daylighted track and yards that have to be kept clear,as being on the Lake Toronto does get a lot of Lake effect snow. Not as much as Buffalo,but they get their fair share. I have to say that gas is pricy here as well ( not as bad as Norway ) when you think how much oil and gas we have ,produce and ship here as well.
Enjoy your prize. So who's the lucky second seat passenger for your trip.The brunette is deeply intrenched in Mountain Man Mike's group now.perhaps one of the twins,but which one.Hmmm maybe let them joust for the oportunity to accompany you on the trip.
Shane- I'm thinking that there will be alot of CFL purists a tad upset by the number of games being staged in Toronto.Listening to the one local talk radio ( all sports ) there are rumblings in the rumour mill that Buffalo may eventually relocate it's team with Toronto on the short list.
I'm not sure about the barndy but the open decks aft on both those steamers still allow the smokers to light up,though I noticed on monday when we had our cruise very few took the oportunity.
Pete-Well if they don't let you back in.I'll speak up for you at your hearing on if they will let you stay here. Hopefully you won't get the same official you guys delt with in Montreal as a cahracter witness against you being allowed into the country ,<uh oh >
I know I'll regret this as well but I'll take a stab at your quiz too. Is it a snowplow pilot on the front of the loco.
Rob
A pint of Bathams this time please LEON.
TOM Sorry with such a wonderful prize on offer I have to tell you your answer is wrong, but seeing as it is the weekend you can have another go.
Many thanks for the D&RGW Fallen Flag a railroad that must have been one of the most scenic..In their named trains I noticed the 'Panoramic' ,which attractive drumhead you posted at the bar recently. I wonder if the 'Silverton'that ran on the Durango to Silverton line was much faster than the other trains on that route.
Liked the photos of the Dome Car Silver Sky.
A few photos. These were taken a place known as Cathiron which is just a couple of houses and a farm. It is 3 to 4 miles north of Rugby on the Trent Valley Line. There is a footbridge over the line to the farm. It is a great place to watch trains it was even better in steam days..The locomotives are just getting their stride after passing Rugby and the trains approaching the town were at a good speed. When there was not any trains about it was still a pleasant spot with birdsong and wildlife like foxes to watch.The barges on the Oxford Canal could be seen as well.
A Virgin class 87 electric heads north.It was a 4 track line in steam days but the Down slow line was removed. This is now been put back in
The HSTs worked some trains, mainly to Holyhead as the North Wales Coast Line is not electrified.
The reason for being at Cathiron that day. Ex LMS Princess Royal class 4-6-2 No 6201 'Princess Elizabeth' on a steam special.She was going at quite a speed and we could hear her working hard for quite a good time before we saw her.
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Well LEON a round please and the Steak and Fries.
Was a mighty long wait ‘til someone showed up on this very slow ‘n not at all busy Friday. I sent Ruth home hours ago . . . so, Pete - that was Leon behind the bar! He came in early! <geesh>
Regarding your Quiz: I know that I'll regret this - but I'll say HEADLIGHT! <groan>
Time for something from our sub-basement archives room . . . really doesn't qualify as an Encore, since it hasn't been shown at our reborn-reborn bar <aka: "Our" Place III>
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #8
<A form of this was initially Posted on 23 Sep 2005, Page 116 of the Original Thread >
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW)
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Headquarters: Denver, CO
Mileage:
1950: 2,413
1995: 2,238 including trackage rights routes
Rolling stock as of 1963: Freight cars - 12,610 Passenger cars - 96
Principal lines in 1950:
Denver-Bond, CO-Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Pueblo-Dotsero, CO
Pueblo-Trinidad, CO
Walsenburg-Alamosa, CO
Alamosa-Durango, CO
Salida-Gunnison, CO
Mears Junction-Alamosa
Alamosa-Creede, CO
Bond-Craig, CO
Grand Junction-Ouray, CO
Thistle-Marysvale, UT
Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT
Passenger trains of note:
California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & Western Pacific)
Colorado Eagle (St. Louis-Pueblo-Denver, joint w/MoPac)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & WP, replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Mountaineer (Denver-Montrose, CO, via Moffat Tunnel)
Panoramic (Denver-Ogden)
Prospector (Denver-Salt Lake City)
Rio Grande Zephyr (Denver-Ogden [later cut back to Salt Lake City], replaced California Zephyr 1970-83)
Royal Gorge (Denver-Pueblo-Ogden)
San Juan (Alamosa-Durango, CO)
The Silverton (Durango-Silverton, CO)
The Yampa Valley (Denver-Craig)
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DRGW #1145 Silver Sky (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)
Copyright: Corel Corp.
Enjoy!
A pint of Holden's Mild please RUTH.
TOM. Do I detect you want another quiz question in your reply to Fergie. All right then an easy one. In yesterday's photo I posted, there is a photo of a GM built class 59 used on Yeoman stone trains in the UK. QUESTION what piece of railroad equipment did the first loco of the class 59001, (but not any of the others) have that is very common on locomotives in North America but it not seen on BR locomotives. CLUE Great Western ‘King' No 6000 has one. PRIZE free beer all day....... at a cricket match. I know not quite of the same quality of prize as Eric got for turning page 60.
That is very true about the improvements in railway development that came from North America both steam and of course diesels, not to mention that the electric subway railways were nearly all American design to start with. A lot of American design was incorporated into British steam locomotives after engineers visited here.
There is a short but good video of a UP Gas Turbine, which can be watched by clicking on the Classic Trains box at the top of the forum page.
Another 10 pages thanks for the reminder of the rules at Our Place.
It was sad to see in the link that all cars of the Turbo Train were scrapped.
Great Western ALAN. Many thanks for the details on the Dart Valley and the P&DSR, a while back Nick and I posted some photos from Paignton, mine were from the 1970s showing Lydham Manor and it was when there was Western diesel and a class 50 in the BR sidings there.
Yes we do have some Brits on this site as well as some very knowledgeable people on North American railroads and trolleys, I have learnt a lot and have learnt to appreciate the North American railscene, especially in great days of the long distance trains both steam hauled and the early diesels.
Tom as posted the way we run the bar on the next page; I do hope you can join us regularly.
NICK Yes I have myself wondered about the appearance of 89001, I guess it would look a lot better is it was a cab at one end like the North American diesels.
Thanks for the details of the stop block at Bled Jezero. Seeing the track plans brought a thought to mind, I wonder if there is are web sites where it is possible to study the track plans of stations in the UK and over here. It would be good to study the layouts, at say Worcester England and that at Worcester Mass.
Tom and I worked up a mighty thirst in the hot sunshine waiting for that freight to move. Thanks for the kind words on the photos. If you get a chance to sample that Brains with the Welsh name I would be glad to hear your opinion.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the photos. Yes the cricket matches between Lancashire and Yorkshire was always something special, both a great teams at one time. I remember the Roses theme lived on to the BR named express trains. The Red Rose was an express between London (Euston) and Liverpool and The White Rose between London (King's Cross) and Leeds.
The LP that the Tyne Dock iron ore train was on was called Rhythms of Steam, a LP I had for a while. I don't know if this LP as been issued as CD yet.
This a link to the Transacord records, Rhythms Of Steam is number ZTR 113. Number ZTR 108 is a great LP as well
http://www.steamindex.com/library/handford.htm
ROB Many thanks for the photos and the description of the Muskoka area.
Glad you liked the photos, I would indeed like to visit your area one day. I will see if I am allowed back in the US after my trip to England. I wonder if they still make the bag bags similar to mine when I visit there.
ERIC 111F sounds pretty hot to me.
Congratulations for turning Page 60.
I have read the Jubilees were not too good engines when they first appeared, but modifications to the drafting and a different Superheater turned them into very good locomotives.
Yes W8 is so much better as a working engine than as a pub sign, but she must have been one of the biggest pub signs ever.
Many thanks for the photo of # 1385, she looks in great condition.
DL Glad you can recall the old WH Smiths newsstand at Nottingham Station, those old stands had so much more character than the shops that replaced them. I wonder if the NRM preserved a larger version of those newsstands, it would fit in a treat in the museum as a visitor information desk.
I'm glad you have been able to get a look at Main Line Lament; it is hard to believe it is 35 years since it first appeared.
Glad you liked the photos, I wonder could you help Allan and I with any info on that Peter Handford CD I mentioned in my post to Allan.
That was a good link to the Guardian item but I noticed he could not resist a pop at railfans at the end, exactly what the author of Platform Souls talks about.
CM3 Temperatures here are a lot better the last couple of days as well.
We had some rain this AM but just to the north the are getting a lot more, like 8 ½ inches on top of the already heavy rain they have had.
Glad you enjoyed the IOW photos.
I wonder if any sound video of the Turbo train is about today..
Well RUTH another Holden's please and I will be back with some photos..
Friday's Grin
Brain Cramps
"Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you.
You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances." --Department of Social Services, "small city," South Carolina
And Friday has rolled ‘round once again, which of course means the end of the work week <for many>!
Check out the fresh coffee ‘n pastries! Order up a <light> or <traditional> breakfast while you're at it!
Thursday - July 24th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 59 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:10 PM <4:10 PM Friday NZ time>: And our Resident Downunder Kiwi has appeared! Yes, we nearly Posted on top of one another - but the important thing is neither of us lost the effort! <yikes>
Another fine < I3 > Post from the man who cocked canons for a living <grin>! Always amazed at the accuracy of a "click" here or there can make . . . Guess the old "Kentucky Windage" would be somewhat antiquated in today's artillery, eh
In eavesdropping your comments, a plan is developing . . . . neighbor's brother has a place in Scottsdale . . . scam a trip to the states . . . get room ‘n board in Arizona . . . get the brother to return to NZ, thereby freeing you up to use the house - meet up with Eric, Pete ‘n Moi for some light-rail travel - a trip up to the Grand Canyon, perhaps even a pub along the way. Yeah, sounds like a plan in the making to my way of thinking! <grin>
Hmmmm, you did say "she" . . . hmmmmm. Wellllllllll, perhaps the idea is to run off with the . . . . nah, you're not that kinda guy! <uh oh> Don't know WHAT came over me! <yikes>
Sorry if my reference was incorrect - Wars in lieu of War . . . I'm still learning! So much history, so little time . . . best excuse I could muster up, Mate!
There are times when I believe that there are factions of people on this planet who war with one another for centuries, never paying a bit of attention to what is being accomplished by carrying out the hatred begun so many, many years in the past. Crazy, absolutely mind boggling.
I don't believe your bride would care for me - for I'm an absolute anti-tennis, golf ‘n individual sport kinda guy. In fact, if it doesn't involve a team, I don't consider it a sport. <geesh> Sorry Mrs. Gunneral! But I DO "appreciate" the outfits of the modern gal tennis players . . . . ooooooops, there I go again. <geesh> Must be the Tui! Did they change the brewing technique Hmmmmmm.
Always appreciate having you aboard ‘n many thanx for your kind words at the bar ‘n by Email!
Page 59 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:43 PM: Hmmmmmmmmmm, let's see - the bride caught you with your shirt stuck in the zipper of a "young thing" who was bending over, attempting to retrieve her car keys that had fallen from her purse whilst you, a gentleman supreme, bent at the same time, not realizing your shirt was asunder, and somehow became entwined with a zipper that began a slow downward descent on the back of her outfit, thereby ensnarling the two of you in a position rather humorous to the onlooker, but most embarrassing for the "connected," and very, very questionable to the bride! <phew> Is that close enuf Thought so! Don't do that again . . .
Anyway, the point of all that is to somehow "justify" why you've spent so much time tapping the keys for our enlightenment here at the bar! Sleeping on the couch isn't that much fun, eh Thought not!
Only thing "wrong" with those 3 fotos is there are no railroad tracks in view - just highway! But, they do give a sense of being in a place worth the while to visit. Glad you had such an enjoyable, and hopefully relaxing respite away from the grind of work.
Your twenty has been added to the stack o' bills for ROUNDS to come. We've done quite well lately ‘n appreciate the generosity, fer sure, fer sure!
Friday - July 25th:
Page 60 - Eric <EricX2000> at 2:07 AM <12:07 AM Sandbox time>: And our Sandman has turned the Page to 60! I think we have one more of those bottomless, personalized, steins ‘round here . . . ahhhh yes, right behind the bar, next to the jar of PPF! <grin> That along with a refurbished teak ‘n mahogany stool <with warning labels in English ‘n Swedish> AND a continuous DVD of the ABBA gals in their short-shorts singing, Mr. Sandman . . . <grin> Congrats to you for helping us reach this milestone at the bar . . . seems we've been here, done that before, eh <"Our" Place I ‘n II comes to mind!>
Oh yes, what IS that behind door #1, Boris Ahhhhhhhhhh, ooooooooooooh, a round trip aboard the Can-Am Daylite Flyer with seating for two in the Park Car dome with all meals ‘n drinks included. Awwwwwwwright!
I haven't found anything definitive on the disposition of the TurboTrains other than a mention in this link <which is an interesting piece>:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_rolling_stock
<scroll down to Former Diesel Locomotives . . . UAC>
Last time I was in for service at my Volvo dealer, the shop charge for labor was $199 per hour! That speaks for itself, eh It's a fine vehicle, very pleased with it and the performance, just shudder at the thought of having it serviced. In September I'll have had it for 7 years . . . with it just turning 35 thousand miles!
Ahhhhhhhh c'mon - 20 ft seas are "calm" compared to what it could be like out there! Fergie can handle it . . .
I'll believe it when I see evidence of you being FULLY retired! <grin>
Isn't that the same link I put up the other day for the Phoenix light-rail system Hmmmm.
Nice shot of the steamer cab . . .
Many thanx for your good cheer, support for the bar ‘n < I3 > Post! Good luck with your new laptop . . .
Page 60 - Dan <DL-UK> at 7:03 AM <1:03 PM GMT>: Yes, it's been a few days, but always pleased to have our Resident Brit in Sherwood Forest perched upon his stool amongst the crew at the bar!
I'm not so sure that the title fits the experiences of logging rail miles in Canada, but perhaps in comparison with those frequenting these premises . . . Thanx!
I'd dearly love to make some of those trips again, especially the now-defunct BC Rail experience aboard the Cariboo Prospector <yes, that's correct spelling, according to BC Rail!> Anyway, that route was simply spectacular ‘n we were very saddened to learn of its demise some years back. All of those RDCs, gone-zo . . . <sad>
Full Steam Again is a must read for our crew! Click it, Gents - you'll enjoy the read ‘n message!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/16/automotive.railtravel
Haven't <yet> experienced the ONR . . . still plan to, but surely hope one day they'll restore the dining car ‘n maybe even add a dome! Wishful thinking, I know . . .
Heat ‘n humidity expected to return with reckless abandon <whatever that means> as the weekend sets in . . . we've only had a few oppressive days <daze> thus far this summer, but it ain't August yet! <phew> Usually a "killer" in these parts . . . Boris, tell me again why we're living here!!!! <uh oh>
A grandpa with a toy shop! Now that's pretty impressive! My grandpa & mom operated a "corner store" during WWII, replete with the olde tyme wood candy cases, hand scooped ice cream ‘n all the goodies to make a kid think he was in heaven. <grin> Between the two of us - why we'd have had the market cornered, so to speak!
Thanx for that super-fine link - your support for the bar ‘n < I3 > Post!
Page 60 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:59 AM: What's not to like about Rhode Island In fact, I've got many, many warm memories of living 'n serving in New England - eight years is a chunk of time for most people, ‘n my only regret is that I was too "poor" to fully take in all that was available. Raising three kids will do that, dontchano Especially on a sailor's pay . . . <grin>
Can always count on our friend from the coalmining territory of WVA to help us with some insights regarding railroad men - this time, Paul Kiefer. Had a close friend who spelled his name that way . . . from Michigan. Dad was a career Merchie - was just a fantastic guy who was taken from the rest of us far too soon. RIP, Chris Kiefer. <sad> Anyway, the RR guy made a difference, as did my friend . . . something to be said about that, eh Youbetcha!
Pleased that the TurboTrain material flicked your Bic . . . perhaps you'll enjoy the link I provided for Eric . . . some good stuff in it, unrelated to Turbo, but good nonetheless . . .
Many thanx, as always, for the support, good cheer, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lovely day here - abt. 52 degrees this a.m. when the K9 Korps did dawn patrol and supposed to be in the low 80s later with no rain - we have had enough of that for awhile.
Eric was in with comments.
DL- Paul Kiefer - Scroll down and you'll find some more about him - fascinating figure to say the least.
Rob - NFL in Toronto will be both preseason and regular season - all about the money, you know! I like the idea of two seatings for dinner - brandy and cigars on deck after dining sounds good - it would also keep the bugs at bay.
Pete - Thanks for the IOW material. LMS crimson (of course) carries the day.
Fergie - Good to hear from you.
Nick - The HO Rapido cars are excellent. As I think I mentioned earlier, they are planning to produce some in N scale as well. I'll limit my purchases to a couple of offline sleepers and maybe some NYC cars; depends on availability and price.
Allan - Good to hear from you. For what it's worth the P Company used to handle trains of imported (yike) iron ore from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh.
OSP - More Turbo material. I recall doing something about that on one of the "old" threads. Overwhelming thing about them was that they were noisy when accelerating (about the same noise level as a 727) and smelled of kerosene (what a surprise) - the view from the seats in the "bubble" behind the engineer was tremendous - fastest portion of the ride (much as it is today) was between Providence and Kingston. Speaking of which, appreciated the kind words about my "home" state.
Now, about Paul Kiefer. He was a native Ohioan (born in 1888), attended night school in Cleveland while working as an apprentice machinist. After that he went to work for the New York Central and was an inspector at both Baldwin and Brooks Locomotive Works. He became a designer for the NYC in about 1916 and by the mid 1920s was the Central's Chief Engineer of locomotives and rolling stock. His best known designs were the 4-6-4 Hudson and the 4-8-4 Niagara. He retired in 1953 and died in September, 1968.
Work safe
Hello Tom and all in - I'll have a full breakfast please!
Looks like my stool needs a polish - I'd better sit on it since I've been out for a few days!
Thanks for your comments on VIA Tom - interesting to get a view from a man with a track record second to none of Canadian rail mileage! Really interesting to read the Turbotrain profile piece.
Interesting comments from Rob on the same Via theme. Really enjoyed the Lake of Bays pics Rob - my father was up there last autumn and he encountered this outfit I think - gave me a verbal report back - nice to see some pics - plus the nice ships too. Quite frankly I'd like to be in lake of Bays around now as it is rather hot and humid here (but not, I can assure you, like mid continent USA)! I can confirm a great way to see the area IS from the ONR Northlander!
Pete - I certainly recall the old WHS news stand at Nottingham - I remember when they got rid of it and changed the concourse (which was actually part of a restoration project I think). The old stand had some character - now they have a dull shop with more room in it of course. The old place is taken up by a coffee stand that serves mediocre coffee! I've seen Main Line Lament in the past but not for a whole (I think I borrowed it from the library on one occasion). Nice spread of UK diesel pics by the way.
By the way, I'd certainly have wanted a brew of tea if I'd been woken at 4am - siren or no siren!
Eric - thanks for the recommendation of the Orange Empire Railway Museum. I'd like to take another trip to California- pref by train starting in New York, via Chicago!
Nick - my grandparents were big fans of the Smith Kendon travel sweets - always some in the glove box of their Austin Cambridge when we went out for trips in my childhood!
Allan - didn't know WHS was operational in NZ for a while. WHS bought out my grandfather's news agents and toy shop that he owned in the 1940s. He had the area franchise for Meccano Ltd at that shop which meant my dad got first refusal on new stock that came in (pocket money permitting of course) - my father got, therefore, one of the first few Dublo trains sets to come in to the shops ready fro Xmas 47 or maybe 48. Apparently they could only make so many that were not for export and each franchise shop only got a small ration!
CM3 - your post earlier in the week made me think you might be interested in this article I saw in the paper - a bit fanciful but we can dream:
I quote:
"In 1946 Paul Kiefer, chief mechanical engineer of the New York Central Railroad, set his latest steam locomotive, the potent, coal-burning 6,700hp Niagara class 4-8-4, against General Motors' brand new diesel-electrics. The Niagara could generate more power than three of the latest diesel-electrics coupled together."
Lars - good to see you in!
Nick - I see the track plans are coming on in their complexity - interesting stuff
Regards
DL
<personal foto taken at ExpoRail>
Eric turned the Page to 60, which as a multiple of 10 means it is time again to list the simple ground rules for "Our" Place . . . <from Page 1>
As determined by Kalmbach, the 2nd "old Thread" has been shut down <locked> and the new begins today, 21 Mar 2008. What's different Nothing! Same crew, same way of doing things and hopefully the same supporting cast that has kept us afloat all this time.History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains." The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains. All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.Objective: Have fun!Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch. Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Final "stats" for the 2nd "old" Thread at 9:34 AM, 21 Mar 2008:Replies: 4,001Views: 122,664 Pages: 201* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *For those who may require it, the links to the "old" Threads are:#1 - http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/451/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587#2 - http://cs.trains.com/forums/201/991960/ShowPost.aspx#991960* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
What's different Nothing! Same crew, same way of doing things and hopefully the same supporting cast that has kept us afloat all this time.
History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.
Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains."
The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains.
All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.
Objective: Have fun!
Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch.
Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.
Greet the bartender upon entering and order a drink or food. Pretty easy, eh
Final "stats" for the 2nd "old" Thread at 9:34 AM, 21 Mar 2008:
Replies: 4,001
Views: 122,664
Pages: 201
For those who may require it, the links to the "old" Threads are:
#1 - http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/451/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
#2 - http://cs.trains.com/forums/201/991960/ShowPost.aspx#991960
See y'all later . . .
Leon,a #2, please. Tui!
A pretty warm day today, 111Ëš, but not too bad. Got my laptop today so I have spent too much time adding all extra stuff to it tonight. Will be good to have on my trip to the old country a month from now.
Nick – You are really rebuilding your layout, almost from scratch! I know you have rolling stock from Britain, Switzerland, France, Canada, and the US (and probably more). Do you run all these trains mixed or do you run British trains one day, Swiss trains another day and Canadian trains day 3? 150 feet of rails from point to point, that’s quite a bit! Do you have a lot of trouble with the untreated steel rail? You have to run more trains to keep the rust away!!Glad you liked the photos! Tom – I remember you mentioned the high costs to maintain the Volvo during the Rendezvous. But $125 for a battery seems very steep to me. I’ve had some Volvos, the last one was a 1985 740. I had it for six years and it got all services it was supposed to, but I can’t recall it was very expensive. I guess they have changed. No, you are right, gas for $3.93 does not make one happy, but still, it feels pretty good to get down below $4. Norway is something else. They have very expensive gas and plenty of oil. I can see several of their rigs in the Atlantic every time I fly to the old country. Interesting part II on the TurboTrain! Has any of those trains been preserved? Email received, thank you!CM3 – You are right, gas for less than $4 makes me feel a little bit better for the moment. But just for the moment. Rob – Yes, it’s going to be nice to retire 100%. I feel I have done my part in the production. Thanks for the info on the Lake of the Bays cars! So are you saying that the second car, Algonquin is a reproduction of recent date? What’s in those names? We had another storm aiming for Phoenix tonight but it died down before it got here. Interesting photos of the work cars! Snowblower in the subway? Is it snowing in the under ground? I know, the subway probably surface when it gets out of the downtown area, but it sounds kind of funny using a snowblower in a subway. Fergie – I must say I am glad I am not on your ship if you are having 20’ + seas! Would probably feel kind of seasick. Thanks for the answer to the 251B quiz! I was in grade school 1951 so I don’t remember that much. Pete – Cylinder drain pipes? Hmm, I don’t know. I agree, the Brunswick Green suits the Jubilees! They look very nice!I am glad the W8 was saved from the life as a ‘Pub Sign’. She is doing so much better working the I.O.W steam railway! Great Western – Welcome to “Our Place”! More British history! Thanks for the info. Sad when they convert old ROW to highways. Allan – Diplomatic, that is right, very diplomatic. I haven’t had time to do much research about future extensions of the light rail. Some info can be found on this link and Scottsdale is listed among possible extensions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METRO_Light_Rail_(Phoenix)
C&NW #1385, Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI.
Good evening Leon , in for a nightcap so bring on a fresh tank of Keith's if you don't mind.I'll leave a 20 in case there are any stragglers.
Tom-Ah yes I figured that you realized the score on the subway snowblower but odd as it sounds that is how it was badged by the manufacturer. I figured that since you were recovering the gut check fest would have been an appropriate thing to make sure that you stayed off your feet. All problems aside it did bring in quite a bit of cash.I noticed that the locals towed away the second classers heavy machinery though.
Best time to do the Segwun cruises are this time of year or October. Their final runs are our Thanksgiving weekend. The night diner cruises are the best one's five to six hours all told with two sittings for the dinning room so you are not rushed.Best of all you take in all the cottages and an always stunning sunset.The Lakes up there are glacial and they are landlocked, of coarse they are smack dab in the middle of your favourite shield territory as well Lots of great bed and breakdfasts and resorts around there as well.
Three shots of the terrain around Gravenhurst,Bracebridge and Huntsville the three main populated areas of the Muskoka region which also includes Algonquin park in all it's glory and inormity. the photo's really don't give the area it's proper due.But it's what the Highway 11 corridor is like from Barrie to Northbay ( over 300km run )The best way to see it would be on the Northlander from Toronto. Perhaps rendezvous 5.
Pete-I enjoyed the photo's you put up today good one's as always.Once you know your plans for St Pat's day get in touch with Lt Col. Feziwig the CO of the Fusiliers,a bit o cash in his hand and you will be all set.I'm glad that you enjoyed the trip photo's and ifo as well as the museum shots. Someday we'll have to get you and your black bag up here ( so long as the boarder guys allow it into the country )
Nick-Great conversations and insights as always. I'm glad to hear that Missnick was a survivor early disease like that can be a hard one to beat.
Great Western Alan-Nice to see you in nagain with some fine info and insights. I do hope you become a fixture around the ole bar with us
Allan-They really have done the dinning rooms up right on those steamers. the Segwun's dinning rooms are just as nice.The Muskoka steamship company began in Victorian times so alot of the flair is still there. Oh and as further enticement both ships are fully licenced and have bartenders on board as well with good on tap brews The weather has been much more pleasant temp wise but the last three days have had a fair amount of rain in the form of thunderstorms.
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Nick. Another great "Early Bird" breakfast menu, i`ll have my eggs` over easy please. A fine set of pix of your layout and the pic of your Duchess of Sutherland with the mixed coach stock on the other thread. Hope all those bruises have cleared up. Great praise for those Docs who took care of Missisnick, they deserve a big pat on the back.
Rob. A very fine set of pix of Gravenhurst and your Lake Muskoka trip, some great shots of the lake steamers`, the very palatial dining room on the "Wenonah" and the lake shoreline views, plus a fine collection of pix of your museum equipment displays`. My bride`s still watching the tennis from Rexall Centre, Toronto, she was pretty miserable when Federer was knocked out over night. Hope your weather has got a bit more comfortable for you over there.
Eric. Looks as if we`ll have to be very diplomatic with our wives`, that's for sure! Nice sunset pic from Stockholm. Our neighbour`s brother has a winter home in Scottsdale, she was interested to hear about the Pheonix Light rail system so she does`nt have to use a car when she goes on shopping trips when she`s staying over.
CM3. Nice to see you in again, enjoyed eavsdropping in on the conversation with all the guys`.
Pete. Will have to scout around to see if I can find a CD of the 9F sounds you mentioned. Consett was an unusual place for a major steelworks so far inland, they originaly had access to iron ore locally, but when the scource ran out the ore had to be imported through the River Tyne docks`. Nice pix of the Class 59 and the Terrier tank "Freshwater" on the IOW Rly with the link to the Rly`s site. Interesting link to the Battle of Bosworth, their was a battle at Hexham in Northumberland during the wars of the Roses` as well, it`s a good job Yorks and Lancs can only battle on the cricket pitch nowadays, although they are always very tough games most times.
Great Western. Nice to meet you. We have a town called Ashburton here in New Zealand as well, named after the original in the UK. Many thanks for that link to your P&DSR website.
Fergie. Good to see you weathered that "Cristabol" storm OK, at least you are in calm waters in the fog!
Tom. Nice to hear you are on the mend and getting back to normal now. Fine continuation of your Turbo Train spread in Pt 2, very interesting info and pix. It looks as if Molly`s really got her handsfull and working a lot of overtime at the Adult Learning Centre just now. The Wars of the Roses` still continue in the old country nowadays, though they carry on the hostilities on the cricket pitch with no quarter spared, they now have two umpires to sort out any disputes these days`. See we were in at the same time today, you beat me to the post, by the time I had posted this you had been in and posted your stuff.
See ya, Allan
<A most interesting car! Southbound Denali Star - personal foto>
Got tired of watching TV, so I'm catching up a tad early . . .
Page 159 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:56 AM: Email exchange continues - thanx!
Your observations are "bang on" regarding the impatience of those who encounter rain while shopping <or elsewhere for that matter>. I've found that just a 5 or 10 minute wait most time provides a break to make that dash to the car without winding up drenched. People watching is fun . . . Wonder what Juneau is REALLY thinking as he stares at me Hmmmmmmm. <grin>
I'm beginning to dislike the NFL ‘ the way they screw around with the games - whether exhibition or not. ‘nuf said . . .
Good laff regarding Nick's Big River Band . . .
Never got off the train in Westerly - but have been there by car a few times. Used to take the family to a state park called Acadia. Was about an hour's drive from where we lived in Connecticut ‘n the same distance when in Massachusetts. Some mighty fine memories of Rhode Island . . . all of my kids learned to swim in that lake.
Always pleased to be on the receiving end of your generosity with the quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 159 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:43 AM ‘n 12:31 PM: "In" with a two-fer, replete with all kinds of info, but most bothersome - an ill-thought-out Gut Check Contest! <yikes> Good thing we still have our tent out back . . . for that's where I had everything ‘n everyone participating moved to . . . <geesh> What in the world were you thinking! <phew>
I think our Senior Manager <Emeritus> just likes to rattle your chain - seems he did a good job! <grin>
And of course I realize that snow would be a problem at the surface facilities of the subway system. However, the caption surely left me with a <grin> thinking of how we use the language. Remember our conversation from a couple of weeks ago Same thing . . . anyway, thanx for the elaboration!
I'm sure we'd enjoy a trip aboard the vessels sailing the waters of the area you recently visited. We'd surely opt for the dinner cruise - the longer the voyage, the better. Just as long as the insects are kept at a distance! Can't handle mosquitoes, black flies, etc. They simply seek me out . . . . <arrrrrggggghhhhh> That's the beauty of going to sea - no problems like that to contend with.
Eighteen teams would be a good number, although there are times when I think the twelve set up wasn't bad either. But 18 would work out quite well . . .
Yeah, gotta watch that Bar Chandler . . . perhaps the title of interim Governor General got him carried away . . .
Many thanx for the spate of fotos from Halton County's complex of great things to look at!
Page 159 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 1:59 PM <3:59 PM ADT>: Sounds as if you were sent off on one of those vectors figured out by the RCC <we called ‘em Rescue Coordination Centers> . . . a shame that you guys ‘n the other vessel had to endure the elements for naught. But then again, given a mariner in distress, whatchagonnado, eh
Thanx for the link - I had read a CBC "blurb" on it earlier . . .
I think I told you - one of my duties in the New York RCC was to train a contingent of Canadians in SAR <search & rescue> communications. This was at the time of the start-up of your Coast Guard's entry into that environment. Later on, I was invited to Moncton, NB for a follow-up session . . . a long, long time ago in another life <so to speak>.
I'm not even going to <tweet> you OR give any credibility to that LOW BLOW of yours. <geesh> <barf> Don't give up your day job, Mate - as a "quiz writer," you'd surely go hungry! <triple geesh> Now we have TWO of you at the bar . . . want to wager a guess as to who the other PP quiz writer is
Lars had told me that he sent you an Email . . . he's a great guy. I'm sure the three of us would have some SERIOUS sea stories to swap . . . <grin>
I never had the pleasure of traveling aboard the TurboTrain, so I'll have to yield to those who have. Not surprising that a steam lover would take a dim view of it all . . .
Nice "loving" message from your bride . . .
Many thanx for the remnants of your case of Keiths, good cheer ‘n comments!
Page 159 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 2:07 PM: Back to complete a daylite trifecta! HazMat teams have been dispatched to the picnic grounds where birds were reported falling from the sky . . . <geesh>
Yes, one of my fotos of the subway cars is while we zoomed past the Greenwood yard . . . a most memorable time, eh Youbetcha. And here we're planning for Rendezous IV - amazing how time flies, eh
I don't know why - but for some reason I recalled those vessels being flat bottomed. Guess I was thinking of - who knows what!? Hmmmmmm. Have to agree with Fergie, just looking at ‘em doesn't give me the warm ‘n fuzzies about being aboard ‘em in an Atlantic storm. Nope . . . <yikes>
Three hundred foot depth, eh Well that's most interesting too . . . glacial lake Gotta see that territory one day . . .
Again - thanx for the visits ‘n good cheer, Mate!
Page 159 - Pete <pwolfe> at 3:55 PM: Thanx for the link - surely have heard of the War of the Roses, but never delved into it . . . so much history, so much to learn!
As with most things "classic," my guess is there are many frequenting these Threads who have no appreciable knowledge of the railroad technology put forth in the U.S. ‘n Canada "back in the day." As one guy used to say <too many times>, "I've forgotten more than you'll ever know!" That was from a Chief Petty Officer of mine way back when . . . <uh oh>
Interesting shots ‘n link within your fine < I3 > Post!
Many thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 159 - Alan <Great Western> at 5:20 PM <11:20 PM GMT>: Generally, the 2nd visit ‘round here from a newcomer warrants a free drink ‘n our OH-FISH-UL Welcome.
However, I'm unsure that you've picked up on my invitation to join us - first by reading through Page One, to get the gist of things ‘round here. <Greet the bartender - order a drink or food, etc.> You'll find this group of international classic train enthusiasts most congenial ‘n willing to engage . . . we firmly practice what we preach ‘n try to engage those who engage us.
A particularly good way to get started ‘round here is to read through the daily summaries . . . hope to see ya again!
Tom <siberianmo> Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating ‘n drinking establishment!
Page 159 Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7 PM ‘n 7:21 PM <1 AM ‘n 1:21 AM Friday GMT>: Chock full o' insights ‘n things to bring a grin. Only our Resident Londoner in Wales can put together a string of words so well as to captivate a crew.
Believe me, I'm taking things on a slow bell . . . leaving at that. Prefer these things for the "back channel."
There's got to be a special place in that "next dimension" who do the things you described. Always will question WHY the good have to be taken from us in pain ‘n agony. I'll NEVER grasp that . . . but that's best left for other places as well, eh Youbetcha. Yeah, making a difference is something to be admired for . . .
Sounds to me like you're "into" Johnny Cash! None better, eh
Is the joke about the guy DELIVERING the blinds
Fotos of freghts "happens" . . . <grin> Had to do something to kill off the hours ‘til "opening time."
Yes, we're racking up far too much too fast . . . appreciate all of the contributions though, but it surely takes TIME to gleen through it all. I know my AM acknowledgments are just that - with my thoughts thrown in on matters addressed in my direction . . . would be a nightmare to make commentary on all that comes through these days <daze>! <geesh>
Many thanx for the two-fer, good cheer ‘n of course the ROUND of cider!
Right-lets try and get ahead of the game here-ERIC-you asked about the layout-specifically amounts of track and the nature of -well-the point to point distance from the bottom of the yards to the top station is about 150 feet,all in all I would guess there is about 400 feet of track ,most of it is old fashioned untreated steel rail-designed for an indoor envirinment,not to live in a shed in West Wales where it rains more often than not....the new technology calls for nickel -silver rail which just requires a wipe of the rails and off we go..........
Well good evening gentlemen all,and what a delight to see you all here-Leon,lets have a round of Somerset rough cider for the company-this is best drunk slowly and carefully......However ,as I`m sure G.W Alan will agree,it is the perfect accompaniment to a sandwich lunch whilst sitting above the tunnel mouth waiting for the next train....
Right then-I have 2 pieces of paper in my back pocket-lets see what they say....."Well I taught the weeping willow how to cry,cry,cry and I taught the clouds to cover up the clear blue sky"---hmmm-that will be the set list from saturday then-lets try the other one...
Ah yes,much better-almost relevant
TOM-Welcome back old thing-just take it easy now-there is nothing so important that you need to get exercised about it-it can all wait....
Nun jokes-I have a good one (the nun & the blind man)but not fit for general distribution.......
Prosthetics-Actually this isnt one for the private channel-Missisnick had the big C as an infant and lost her left eye -since then the technology has come on apace,the man who did all the work with her used her as a model to demonstrate what could be done and now there are thousands of people world wide who are able to live normal lives because they have prosthetics designed and executed by DOCTOR CONROY & PETER EVANS-For my money that is good for a drink or two.......by a terrible irony,Doc Conroy is dying of a lung disease-and may have gone by the time you read this...Now there is a REAL man....................he surely made a difference
PETE-that 89001 is a weird looking beast,the 31 looks just right dressed like that,the stop block on the Bled Jezero plan is one of those moveable ones used instead of a catch point-it`s real-I saw it ,honestly....
ALLAN-Believe me mate-I had bruises in places I didnt know I had places -imagine my distress when i found that there was a rail where the fishplate hadn`t engaged properly-luckily it was a ten-minute job to put right-the gods are smiling on me..........
ERIC-Great pix mate !!!-that tank looks like an extended Forney -that Swedish class `f` is a touch of class as well-and old #573 has to be the Wabash Cannonball
Back to TOM and the trip to J.C.-what is this -the main man taking pix of FREIGHT trains ????????-and very welcome too
PETE-A wonderful selection from our wild colonial boy-will try and find the translstion for the Welsh and a fine selection of almost every class of engine currently working....
FERGIE-am interested to hear about the Rapido cars-are they as good as the adverts sound ??
Must admit ,I have been dribbling-would love to have some but I suspect they are beyond my league................
Right thats me up to fairly recently-this thread is just to busy to keep up with...........
Hi Pete and Nick, thanks for the welcome.
Greetings to all the other imbibers.
At one point I had to pinch myself to confirm I was on an American Forum as there were many names of familiarity to me.
I know Ashburton (Devon UK) quite well. I was on the last special train to run there from Buckfastleigh when it was part of the Dart Valley Railway after British Railways sold it and before the track was lifted. The track bed from Buckfastleigh to Ashburton is no longer and part now forms a highway known as the Devon Expressway. The station, which is now a auto showroom, has an original timber Brunel style overall roof. The part of the line that still exists runs from Buckfastleigh southwards to Totnes and is known as The South Devon Railway. It was rented from the Dart Valley Railway but was purchased outright a couple of years ago.
Kingswear, about 16 miles away at the mouth of the river Dart, also has a roof of this type. Co-incidentally Kingswear is the terminus of the fourteen mile Heritage Railway called The Paignton & Dartmouth Steam Railway and is owned by The Dart Valley Railway. This was taken over and purchased from British Railways and is a Heritage railway that was never closed down by BR. It most famous loco has to be 2-6-2T 4555 built at Swindon in 1924.
Locos: King Edward I is a regular visitor to the P&DSR dueing the summer months, It, and one or two other locos make frequent special runs from Bristol (BR) to Kingswear. This year it is shared with un-rebuilt pacific loco (nicknamed SPAMCANS) No. 34067 Tangmere. Tangmere was a Battle of Britian air base and as such the loco is therefore a member of the Battle of Britain class locos. In previous years 7802 Bradley Manor (ex GWR built 1938) has been here with the special Bristol train as has 60009 Union of South Africa (ex LNER).
Amonst the locos at the P&DSR is 7827 Lydham Manor built 1950 at Swindon by BR to GWR designs.
My signature will give the link to view some info about the P&DSR. It is a very commercial Heritage railway and does not attempt to "play" trains as so many other peserved railways do. It makes money and therefore recieves no hand-outs. If you think I may be biased - well I am , I am a volunteer on the railroad.
Alan, Oliver & North Fork Railroad
https://www.buckfast.org.uk/
If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there. Lewis Carroll English author & recreational mathematician (1832 - 1898)
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ROB Great to see you back in the bar after your trip to the North Country
Thanks for the kind words and glad you enjoyed the photos. I am sure you would like the atmosphere in Pat's Place, I think I will take up the offer of the Mentor Fusiliers on St Paddy's Day on a visit to Pat's.
The club was lucky to have a man like Brian who put so many hours in to build those great bridges and he must have been much missed.
Many thanks for the photos of the Huntsville & Lake of Bays RR photos, looks a great place, really liked their Works Car.
Enjoyed the photos from Lake Muskoka, with the steam ship RMS Segwun and the steam yacht Wanda III. The RMS Wenonah II looks great too.
Many thanks as well for the details of the H&L RR cars and the Muskoka Ships.
Always great to see photos from your museum.
NICK Looks great weather for the appearance of the Big River Band.
Many thanks for the track plan of Ashburton Maine.
Real glad you were able to post those great photos of your layout. That is a great model of ‘Lord Beaverbrook'
ALLAN It must have been a great sight to have seen those 9Fs on those Consett ore trains. I seem to recall that the sound recordist Peter Handford had a sound recording of 9Fs on those Consett workings that was on an LP, perhaps they have been put on a CD now. DL was talking about Mr.' Handford's work at the bar a while back as he had passed away recently.
Glad you enjoyed the photos, I have been going through my prints to scan and post at the bar and have found some LNER locos.
Luckily we were not too bad in those storms, some more are expected later today.
ERIC Yes I think too that the Jubilees are very good looking locomotives, like the Great Western locomotives they all look best when highly polished and the BR Brunswick Green seems to suit he class. The Jubilees were common engines through Rugby with some of them being allocated to Rugby shed. I can remember, as a lad, seeing Jubilees that were shedded at Bushbury Junction working the Wolverhampton to London expresses they always seemed turned out in excellent condition.
It is the cylinder drain pipes on the Manor.
Many thanks for that great sunset photo.
CM3 Glad you liked the photos. I seem to recall that, you too, like the looks of the LMS Jubilees; I wonder if you prefer the LMS crimson or the BR Brunswick Green livery on them.
TOM Great to talk with you yesterday.
Good words to Lars I thought. You can't blame me for trying to make further inroads to my bar tab, as you say BORIS does indeed keep a sharp eye on me, but he does really well nowadays feeding the Mascots and can even be trusted to unload the PPF jars from the boxcar.
After the rain here, it is ideal weather for sitting outside at Pat's.
Glad you enjoyed the photos and thanks for the kind words. As I said to Eric I think the Jubilees are good-looking engines..
A link to the Battle of Bosworth Field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bosworth
Many thanks for the two-parter on the Turbo Train. It seems it was a train way ahead of its time. It seemed around that time and for a while after that Gas Turbine propulsion was going to be the way ahead for high-speed rail travel. I wonder how much the TurboTrain inspired the experimental gas turbine powered tilting British APT..
To celeberate Nick turning page 59 here is a photo of a class 59 diesel No 59002 'Yeoman Enterprise, The 59s were the first North American main line diesels in service on BR lines, built in 1985 at La Grange Ill by General Motors. There were 5 locos in the 59/1 class. The other two subclasses of the 59s were built at the GM London Ontario factory.
59002 is at Salisbury on the ex Southern main line between London Waterloo and Exeter. The loco behind is a class 50 in Network SouthEast livery.
On the Isle of Wight Steam Railway.Terrier A1X W8 'Freshwater' runs round its train at Smallbrook Junction. W8 had an interesting history. Built in Brighton on the London Brighton & South Coast Railway in 1876 she was bought by the London &South Western Railway and was later bought by the Freshwater Yarmouth & Newport Railway on the I.O.W. In early BR days she was returned to the mainland, mainly working the Hayling Island Branch. after withdrawal from BR service she spent some time as a 'Pub Sign' on Hayling Island
W8 at Haven Street I.O.W. I believe.
A link to the IOW steam railway..
http://www.iwsteamrailway.co.uk/
Well RUTH a round please and the Fish 'N;Chips .
Good afternoon again Ruth. I see that you are still wearing the containment suit,not to worry hazmat thus far has given us the all clear but they are still on sight and vigilant. Anyway since Fergie is so nice as to share I will happily have one{ish} of his keith's.
Fergie-Well you got us,but that's okay we appreciate the brain excercises.Good to know that you survived the storms and managed to almost help that sailboat,crazy fool should have known better but what can you do.
Those ships are more stable than you think. The Segwun was built in England and sailed accross when she was a paddle wheeler,then was partially dissassembled and shipped upto Gravenhurst overland from Toronto.Both are just over 200' long and draw a decent amount of water,remembering that Lake's Muskoka.Rosseau,and Joseph all have spots over 300' in deapth.Mind you I don't think I'd want to do a transAtlantic run on either of them.
Tom-PartII was another good read Seems like the turbo's were being billed as environmentally friendly and a greener option than commuting even back then,hmmm interesting n'est pas
To "splain" rt24 for you it is a subway piece of equipment. All of the TTC's yards are daylighted as are sections of the Yonge ,Bloor and University subway lines.You got a shot of the Greenwood yard on the R1 I thought.Those little monsters are pushed in front of the maintenance trains when the daylighted portions or yard switches and tacks need to be clear of the white death
Fine start to the morning 'n noon hour with CM3 Shane 'n Manager Rob dropping by!
Okay, I just gotta comment - a SUBWAY snow blower Really SUBWAY!! Hmmmmm. <grin> Underground snow, now I KNEW there was a reason for me to luv it up in Canada!
And . . . just caught Fergie's Post . . .
Here's the remainder of that rather looooooooong narrative begun yesterday. Yes, yes - you're correct - we've been shying away from these things in favor of fotos - however, there are times when the written word simply takes priority - this is one of ‘em! <grin>
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Five
The TurboTrain - Part II of II
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<Initially Posted on 16 Oct 2007, Page 127 at "Our" Place II>
DESCRIPTION
A sleek, new lightweight passenger train, the Turbo-Train, enters service in 1968 in the United States and Canada. The TurboTrain is lighter, faster, quieter, smoother and more reliable than conventional trains -and cheaper to run. The TurboTrain, conceived on aerodynamic principles, and powered by aircraft-type gas turbine engines, was designed by United Aircraft Corporation. It is being developed and marketed by Surface Transportation Systems, Sikorsky Aircraft Division.
The TurboTrain, built in lengths ranging from 3 to 9 cars per train, has a streamlined, airplane-like exterior designed to minimize drag, with a skin of smooth, heavy -gauge aluminum. A domed, passenger-carrying power car is at each end, one pulling and the other pushing one or more passenger coaches in between. The trains, being double-ended, need no switching or turnarounds, permitting a higher rate of equipment utilization.
TurboTrain cars are 2 1/2 feet lower than conventional cars. The lower center of gravity, pendulous suspension system, and guided axles enable this new train to round curves, with no change in present road beds, at speeds up to 40 percent greater than possible with conventional trains. As in an airplane, TurboTrain cars bank inward around curves under the influence of centrifugal force, as opposed to the outward motion experienced in conventional trains. Passengers remain upright in their seats even when rounding curves at advanced speeds. By means of guidance assemblies, the axles - one between each pair of cars - are steered around curves, reducing flange wear and the tendency to shimmy. The result is a smoother, swifter, more efficient ride around curves, with greater passenger comfort. The capacity of the cars depends on the seating arrangements and furnishings specified by the operating railroad. A typical power dome car, with parlor and coach compartments, has room for about 50 persons. Non-powered coaches seat about the same number.
The TurboTrain is a modern, streamlined, high-speed intercity passenger train designed by aerospace engineers and based on the principles of flight.
Powered by aircraft-type gas turbine engines, it was designed to provide comfortable, high performance service on existing railroad trackage.
The train is in regular, scheduled intercity passenger service and is the only new non-electrified intercity passenger train to reach operational status in the United States in the Past 15 years
SPECIAL FEATURES
The TurboTrain has a number of advanced technical features. Key among them are utilization of an aircraft-type gas turbine engine for power and a pendulous banking suspension system.
Inside the cars, the layout and decor were designed for maximum passenger comfort. There are carpeting and draperies, soft, indirect lighting, individually controlled reading lights at each seat, fold-down tables, reclining seats with head rests, and carry-on luggage racks at the doors. Compact but fully equipped galleys are installed for fast, efficient food service.
Electric heat and air conditioning add to passengers comfort aboard the TurboTrain. The cars are slightly pressurized to keep out dust and to keep the noise level lower.
The gas turbine powerplant is utilized in more than 20 types of aircraft and a number of non-aviation applications. In the train, the turbine's shaft drives gears instead of propellers. The gears turn the train's wheels. The gas turbine, the ST6, is produced by United Aircraft of Canada Limited. It is operated at 400 horsepower, yet weighs only 300 pounds with accessories. The number of engines used in each train varies according to performance desired. Each train has bays for up to seven engines but fewer can be used. More engines give faster acceleration and a higher top speed. In each train, one gas turbine is always used to drive an alternator to produce electricity for the train's needs. Since the gas turbines are so small and compact, they are located under passenger-carrying domes, thus permitting complete utilization of the train's interior. Dome cars are located at each end of the TurboTrain to give it bi-directional capability.
A major technological advance in the TurboTrain is its pendulous banking suspension system. The trains are suspended from near the top of the cars, above the center of gravity, on an A-frame type of assembly. The suspension system is located between the cars, except in the power dome cars. There it is located beneath the domes. The suspension system causes the train to bank inward around curves under the influence of centrifugal force, as opposed to the outward motion experienced by conventional trains. This enables the train to round curves with passenger comfort and safety at speeds 30 to 40 per cent faster than conventional trains.
This feature, plus faster acceleration and higher cruising speeds of the TurboTrains, permits significant reduction of trip times between cities, compared with conventional equipment.
The TurboTrain was operated at a speed of 170 miles an hour on the U.S. Department's high speed test track on the Penn Central's main-line between Trenton and New Brunswick, New Jersey. In revenue service, it is operated in some stretches at speeds of more than 100 miles an hour. The speed at which the train can be operated depends upon the condition of the track, the number of grade crossings and the type and condition of the signal system.
SPEED
The TurboTrain can travel at speeds up to 170 mph but initial top speeds in passenger-carrying service this year will be about 120 mph.
Under present schedules, the best rail time offered between Boston and New York is 4 hours and 15 minutes; between New York and Washington, 3 hours and 35 minutes; between Hartford and New York, 2 hours and 20 minutes. United Aircraft's TurboTrain can reduce these times, respectively, to 3 hours, 15 minutes (with four intermediate stops); 2 hours and 36 minutes; 1 hour and 40 minutes. Performances were calculated through detailed studies, made with the help of computers at United Aircraft Research Laboratories, which simulated actual train operations over present trackage, including all curves, crossings, and grades as they now exist on the runs studied. With improvements in railroad signaling, travel times can be reduced still further. The Canadian National Rapido, described as the fastest intercity passenger train in operation in North America, now runs between Montreal and Toronto, a distance of 335 miles, in 4 hours and 59 minutes. TurboTrains will cut this time to less than 4 hours.
ECOLOGICAL CONSIDERATIONS
The TurboTrain is inherently favorable to ecology, compared with other systems, for several reasons. First, since it is made of lightweight aluminum and has other design features to reduce weight -- for example, the TurboTrain has only two wheels between cars, compared with four at the end of each car in most conventional equipment -- it requires a small Amount of horsepower for its high speeds and fast acceleration. A seven-car TurboTrain, using 2,000 horsepower, can carry the same number of passengers downtown-to--downtown as 150 automobiles (using an average of two passengers per auto). These autos would have a total of approximately 30,000 horsepower. Additionally, because of the high efficiency of the gas turbine engines, its effluents are only about one-fourth those of internal combustion engines of equal horsepower.
Another reason the TurboTrain will cause less damage to the ecology than some other proposed systems is that it requires no new rights-of-way. This means no additional housing need be destroyed nor nature disturbed to make way for the TurboTrain.
HISTORY
The TurboTrain was developed by United Aircraft Corporation. It was built to participate in the U.S. Department of Transportation's Northeast Corridor high speed ground transportation demonstration project. In January, 197l, the Department of Transportation extended the TurboTrain operation for an additional two years and decided to increase the size of the two, three--car trains used in the demonstration. Sikorsky Aircraft is building four additional cars, two for each train, which will increase the capacity of each train from 144 seats to 240. These cars will be inserted into the trains in 1972. The trains are owned by United Aircraft and leased to the Department of Transportation. They are operated between Boston and New York by the Penn Central Railroad, which has a separate contract with the Department of Transportation for running the trains. Load factors for the first two years of operation have consistently averaged 60 to 7O per cent compared with the national average of 30 per cent.
OPERATIONAL 1968
TurboTrains will be operated between Boston and New York as part of the Northeast Corridor high-speed ground transportation project under contract to the U.S. Department of Transportation. In Canada, Canadian National Railways will operate TurboTrains between Toronto and Montreal.
UNITED STATES - United Aircraft was awarded a contract in January, 1966 by the U.S. Government to build two three-car trains. United will lease the equipment to the Government for two years. The Boston-New York TurboTrains will be maintained by United Aircraft at facilities in Providence, Rhode Island.
CANADA - Canadian National Railways in May, 1966 ordered five TurboTrains of seven cars each for the Montreal-Toronto service under a lease-maintenance arrangement with United Aircraft. Canadian National trains will be operated in tandem sets of 14 cars with a total capacity of 644 passengers.
POTENTIAL
Leonard M. Horner, vice president, Surface Transportation Systems, Sikorsky Aircraft, said: "The TurboTrain is ideally suitable for use in a national intercity rail passenger network for a number of reasons. First, it would result in vastly improved service at a relatively low capital cost, since present trackage could be utilized. The TurboTrain could give U.S. rail passenger service a completely new image within a short period of time. Second, the train has been under development for six years and is therefore far more developed than any other non-electrified system. It has already suffered its growing pains and successfully overcome then. It is readily available without the necessity of years of expensive experimentation and development that would undoubtedly be necessary for any other new advanced system. Third, and very importantly, it is more favorable to the ecology than any other system because of its low pollution exhaust and because it requires no new rights-of-way."
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Company!
As no one "won" the contest "(rigged, rigged rigged!)" Ahhh comments from yonder Peanut gallery! I'll just grab a "frosty" Kieth's from the "Unclaimed" case. And a Large feed of Fish and chips with Slaw on the side!!!
siberianmo wrote: Can't tell you how many sites I visited nor how much I read about those <censored> 251Bs . . . but no where, absolutely no where did I catch any explanation for the "B" - saw ‘em with up to 16 cylinders, by the by!! Oh well, Fergie will just have to tell us AND provide a REFERENCE!! Otherwise, he gets the Xtra Large ‘n Loud <tweeter>! <uh oh>
Can't tell you how many sites I visited nor how much I read about those <censored> 251Bs . . . but no where, absolutely no where did I catch any explanation for the "B" - saw ‘em with up to 16 cylinders, by the by!! Oh well, Fergie will just have to tell us AND provide a REFERENCE!! Otherwise, he gets the Xtra Large ‘n Loud <tweeter>! <uh oh>
Bwa ha ha (Evil laugh)
This from the Chief Engineer (older than dirt and with less hair than I) who got it from the ALCO rep.
2=February, 51=year Prime mover came into production, B=Second generation.
I can hear the groans and whines now. Anyhow just to show ya I'm not a poor sport I'll share my case with all until it runs out.
In the "Ya you can run but you can't hide category... We landed up going to the centre of "Cristabol".
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/23/cristobal-sailor.html
two nights ago we worked our way to the South where we would have been nice and snug hove to do Science but as luck would have it we got tasked to proceed to go 90 nm to the west as an Emergency Beacon was going off and someone might have been in trouble. Turns out it was a Sailboat. Anyway the old girl steamed headlong into the 20' + seas (Recordings now show 35') quite well with winds gusting to 50 knots. Earl Grey was tasked out of Dartmouth along with a Hercules Aircraft, HMCS Montreal, and a Cormorant Helicopter. Helicopter got there first and lifted the guy to safety and we got stood down after 5 hours of pounding...
Now it's fog fog fog and not ripple to be seen.
Rec'd a very nice and lengthy e-mail from Larsman yesterday, very well rec'd! He misses this place and the patrons dearly but as we all know family commitments are keeping him at bay. So whenever we get the pleasure of his company (and book covers/posters) it is always very appreciated IMHO anyway. Yes Tom I do look in more times than not.
Rob: Excellent Pics of Gravenhurst Boats and such. Hate to think how long they would stay up in these waters!!! Stability must be marginal at best on those beasts.
Nick: Enjoyed the additional Pics of layout and appreciated the extra effort after the first load was dumped!
Tom: Enjoyed reading the Turbo again. I remeber references being made by Dad when I was just a Lad. Not positive unfortunately Then again my Dad was a Steam Lover!
Rob: HazMat teams have been alerted and on that note i take my leave before the bar is Quarantined!!!
Fergie
PS: Rec'd following from my Beloved this am "Will see you tomorrow night, Kieth's in Fridge upon arrival".
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Hello again Ruth back again.Lets see I've fired up the sausage grinder for this afternoon's inprompto first anual "gut check" bean,burrito and chile making contest. The mentor fire rescue will be on hand incase of any unforseen problems of the gastric nature occur.So while the contestants begin I'll ahve a keith's and a large roll of rolaids as a pre sampling precaution.
Nick-Loved the layout shots ( second times a charm eh ) I aggree with Shane's recomendations, they ought to give you the desired feel,along with a nice Minutman painted E unit for passenger ops
Right it seems like the second classers have arrived with their cauldron,stills and roadside meat grinder ( steam powered tractor with cast iron spiked wheels )so looks like teh serious cooking is about to begin.<uh oh> Boris count the critters, once they are all accounted for lock them in the shed.
Lets see some recent and there by new shots from the museum for your enjoyment before the hazmat teams decend on our Place.
Somef our snow fighting equipment subway snowblower rt24
C9 our "new" tower truck donated to us by the TTC last year
Our "M" car set of Toronto subway cars these were the secondsubway car type purchased by teh TTC in the 1960's,the first built in Canada by MLW Montreal for the TTC as well these replaced the heavier Gloster built red cars and were in turn repaced by the H & T cars from Hawker Sydley ThunderBay which are what run in the tubes today.
Last two pictures are our subway workcars RT 28 and 29. RT 28 is used as a trailer for RT 29 which has been fit with poles to run on our overhead.We use them to cart around poles,parts and rail ties.They were built by Bombardier in the 1970's and were originally set up as double ended subway maintenance cars using the power systems and controllers from retired G car subway trains ( red Gloster steel cars )We cut the one cab off RT28 a couple years ago so it can transport full length hydro poles for our overhead maintenance.
Good morning Ruth. Looks like the morning crews done a fine job of supporting the place today I'll just have my usual #3 and the large thermos of spiked coffee.
Eric-Sooo retiring again are you <grin> I'm sure that you will find something to do.(gotta spend those bucks somehow ) You have a good eye sir, the two cars the Lake of Bays use are somewhat streetcar related. The one in front, Iroquois, was a Toronto Railway Company trailer which would have been towed by the single truck open cars like our museum's 327.The second car Algonquin was a reproduction based after the Iroquois.For power they have a little Plymouth gasoline switcher and two 0-4-0t steam engines.All are narrow guage by my eyeballing it, it's 3 foot guage.Keep your head down if those T-storms come roaring through.
Tom-Got your email thanks. Thanks for setting the other manager right for me as well <grin> sheesh I don't take as much vacation time as as some others around this joint.
Nice to see that you set the G-G straight,<sheesh> he takes a position of power and figures you would magically erase his bartab the "noive" of some people.
You're right the garage league will never go back to it's roots,18 teams should have been the max in my opinion,but what do I know <grin>Guess we'll just have to live with the one meeting a year and be happy with it
You would like the gravenhuirst ships they are excursion steamers though back in the Muskoka fleets hey day 1880's to 1940's.They operated upto 12 steamers on the three Muskoka Lakes the Lake of Bays and the Muskoka River.They provided the only transportation service ( other than foot ) North Of Gravenhurst , you would come in by train supplies and mail would come in by train and then the freight and people were transferd the rest of the way by steamboat.The ships had berths for the long trips or the smaller one's like the Segwun did the milk runs.Interestingly the Huntsville and Lake of Bay's RR was only ever the mile and a qaurter run it is today.It was used as a portage route,as the forest was unpassable at the time it was built later on after Huntsville got bigger and more and more cottages etc were built it was a tourist attraction until the mid 40's then it was ripped out to be put back as part of Huntsville's Herritage Par & Pioneer Villiage oh maybe twelve years ago.
Shane-I saw that the Bills were heading North.I ahve to say that I didn't take much notice in it as the NFL's never been my game.My understanding is that these were just exhibition games not full meaningfull regular seson games.If it's a regular seson game then Miami might have the upper hand as the dome would be closed and heated.
I noticed that the gas prices around here have stabilized at about a buck 25 a litre ( still insanly too expensive )I remeber complaining bitterly ten yeasr ago when teh prices were staying up around the 60 cents a litre mark ( coarse a barrel of oil was only about 15-20 dollars then too )
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Rain finally left us after a real good one last evening about 7:00 which trapped me at the local grocery store for awhile - no big deal, got to watch people who wouldn't wait for 10 minutes to walk slowly outside in dry weather - makes you wonder sometimes. Temps were in the low 50s last night and supposed to be in mid 70s today. Gas went down again (a whole penny) to $4.14.
Eric - See comment above re gas - doesn't take w hole lot to make us "feel better."
Allan - Good to hear from you, sir.
Rob returns with pictures and stories. Great work car and some excellent pictures of the Muskota fleet. Your points well taken on the NHL. BTW, Buffalo NFL team is venturing north of the border to play some games in Toronto. One I can't understand is them playing Miami up there - inside. I say bring the Fish up there in December and turn ‘em into frozen fillets.
Nick - Band shots are great - how many of the players are still at large?
Set up for the day? A man work a couple of shifts underground with that sort of meal.
Was looking through the sheaf of pictures you sent of your layout - wider radius is always better. Be careful if you are going to put another switch below the one you already have. I did that once, inadvertently made an S curve which really raised !@#% with passenger cars - had to tear it out. I enjoyed the other pictures as well, particularly the one with the LMS power.
Ashburton - Car float is what I was thinking about - if strapped for space you don't have to model a whole lot of it because we are already "standing in the ocean" the way the plan is laid out. You will need the turntable for steam but not necessarily for diesel as you already have a runaround track. I see an Alco S class as a switcher and then RS3s on other trains - keeps with the Boston and Maine flavor you wanted. I can see a B&M 2-6-0 with a couple of old Ambroid coaches (try and find those today) for your passenger train.
Lars - Good to see you about the premises. Nice selection of reading and viewing material. I have about worn out my copy of PRR Electric years. The E(5 is a good one but kind of hard to find.
Pete has been by with comments, pictures, and more information - I'm learning a lot in spite of myself.
OSP - E mail received and answered. I know what you mean re track. Snake Pit? Let's see there was a "Terminal Grille" beside the station in Nashville - I'll let your imagination do the rest. Maybe you recall the Terminal Lunch which was across the street from the NH station in Westerly, RI.
Thanks for the Turbo information - rode that more than a few times.
work safe
Thursday is here! That can only mean one more day ‘n it's time to kick back for the week end! While we're waiting, why not join us for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast Fill up your coffee mug ‘n grab a pastry or two from The Mentor Village Bakery case!
Weather is returning to summer's heat - petrol is down to $3.82 <rounded> ‘n all's well in mid-continent USA.
Wednesday - July 23rd <all times Central daylite>:
Page 58 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:50 AM: Really can get spoiled ‘round here when the AM "slot" is so regularly accommodated. Just doesn't seem "right" without having a start-up from our Resident WVA Connection . . .
Cards are suddenly in a funk, after dropping 3 straight to the Brew crew. Makes for a tight race though, ‘n they've been "in" the games, just facing some tough opposition in the Central Division. Haven't really been following the AL - except to watch a portion of a BoSox-Angels game over the weekend from Anaheim. Now that's a nice place to watch baseball. Used to take in a game every now ‘n then in that park ‘n never was disappointed - can't beat night baseball in SoCal. Just ideal "watching weather!" Had a couple of friends with seasons tix to the Dodgers ‘n Angels - ‘n they were very generous with ‘em. Got to see quite a few games at both parks in the three seasons <or parts thereof> I was out there.
When I planned out the Can-Am Railway layout, the radius of curves that I selected was determined by three factors: space available, ease of installation ‘n the offerings from the manufacturer. As it turned out, I wound up ballasting all of the roadbed attached to the Bachmann EZ track - really cheesy stuff. Anyway, you saw it ‘n I think the "effect" was achieved. My arthritic hands just couldn't <and can't> handle anything more demanding - hand laid would be totally out of the question in my case. That's the reason for the sectional <crap>.
I had hoped to use 24" radius, but Bachmann only had 22". Had I gone with the more expensive line of track - Kato - I'd have gotten a bit more "comfort" with the larger radii. But, it's pretty much what "works," eh
2nd Email received ‘n responded to - thanx!
Most appreciative of your continuing support for the bar along with those quarters ‘n ROUNDs!
Page 58 - Lars <LoveDomes> at 12:01 PM: First a fone call, then a fine Post from our Senior Manager <Emeritus> . . . nice surprise on both accounts! Haven't seen Ruth "light up" quite like that in some time . . . <grin>
Yeah, we've had quite a good run at the reborn-reborn bar ‘n this crew isn't selfish about helping to keep things moving along. Pete ‘n I agreed that if we could have you ‘n Doug back as regulars to rejoin the <GoR>, we'd not need anyone else - ever - at this establishment. For this is without a doubt the finest group of bar flies "Our" Place has seen.
Nice spate o' book ‘n video covers from the Larsman Mobile! Enjoyed ‘em all ‘n particularly appreciated the selection of roads!
Certainly hope you'll be back with us sooner rather than later - but it is heartening to know that you're able to keep tabs on us from an "offline" vantage point now ‘n then.
Oh yeah, lay off our Manager - he may look suspicious, may act suspicious, may in fact be suspicious, but he's a genuine article ‘n has only one significant flaw: he has to work for a living! <geesh>
Good to see you on that teak ‘n mahogany special stool - it will always be here for ya, Mate! ROUND, good cheer ‘n covers most appreciated!
Page 58 - Pete <pwolfe> at 3:27 PM: Many thanx for the fone call . . . appreciated hearing from you!
Now - we must get something squared away - I did NOT wipe your bar tab clean. Nope - all I did was tear up a Page of it!! <geesh> Always trying, eh <uh oh> Boris, keep your eye on him!! <Cyclops, ya know!>
Seems you've devoted quite a bit of print to trying to convince us that you did NOT go to Pat's on Saturday afternoon. Hmmmmm, GUILTY! <uh oh> If I could walk to the TrainWreck Saloon - ohhhhhhh boy, would I be in trouble, not to mention adding too many pounds to my lithe ‘n athletic frame! <grin>
As always, a well thought out selection of fotos for the boyz . . . Liked that shot of the Jubilee at Shackerstone. Afraid I don't know a thing about the battle of Bosworth though . . .
Thanx for helping to make this a fine day at the bar, ‘n of course adding a ROUND to your ever-expanding tab makes for a good day at the tills! <KaChing> <KaChing>
Page 58 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 5:18 PM: Our Manager has returned from his vacation! Hey, if you can swing it - do it - an extra day away sounds like a winner to me!
Hate to make comparisons - for pubs like the TrainWreck Saloon - St. George Arms ‘n Paddy Malone's Irish Pub <aka: Pat's Place> pretty much stand on their own. But, my absolute favorite is the Arms . . . just love the place! But, you know that . . .
You are correct though - there is a similarity between Pat's ‘n the Arms in that they both are rather small with a nice outdoor section. It was far too warm to sit out on the patio the night Pete ‘n I were there. Perhaps a fall visit is in order, just to "check it out"!! <grin>
Yes, the boys held their own during our combined absences - can't ask any more of this crew, for they demonstrate time after time that they indeed give a Rat's Patoot for "Our" Place!
Seriously doubt we'll ever see the return to common sense in the Garage League - Norris Division <of the 80s-90s> rules!! Removing Toronto from being in with St. Louis, Detroit ‘n Chicago really messed things up big time. <barf>
Email received ‘n responded to - thanx!
Many thanx for your fine efforts, return to the bar ‘n of course the ROUND!
Page 58 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 6:57 PM <12:57 AM Thursday GMT>: I can think of a name or two for that group up on the "stage." <geesh> And I thought you were kidding ‘bout the name - but it's really the Big River Band, eh Why not . . . .
You surely put a lot of effort into your Toy ‘n Model Trains submission <aka: Pike Perspectives Day> - so let me simply say, most innovative thinking with a ferry/carfloat service off the coast of Maine! The man never stops thinking . . .
Looks like there'd be room for a place called the "Snake Pit," right about where the "stock pen" ‘n "crane" tracks end . . . Good place for crew changes to kick back after a long, hard shift over a tankard of ale!
Visit, ROUND ‘n good cheer always welcome ‘round here!
Page 59 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 8:02 PM <2:02 AM Thursday GMT>: Well, you may have lost your Post - BUT - you turned the Page to 59! Hmmmmm, let's see - how ‘bout a pony keg of your favorite brew That should put a smile on your face while you fill out the enrollment application for Molly Throttlebottom's Adult Learning Centre ‘n Mud Wrestling Emporium course, "Preparing, Posting ‘n Preserving a Post, Part I."
Page 59 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:17 PM: Back with a spate o' "fresh" fotos from up north . . . Next time "in," share some insights regarding the Huntsville & Lake of Bays Railway.
Figured there'd be traction in your travels! <grin>
Page 59 - Allan <Gunneral> at 10:06 PM <5:06 PM Thursday NZ time>: Covered the bases quite well with another fine example of what we try to do at the Saloon by the Siding: acknowledge the efforts of the other guy while having a bit o' fun too!
I think the strangest thing that has happened to me on these Forums is losing a Post that was Posted. No kidding. Saw the <censored> thing "up" on the Page . . . figured I could delete my WP version of it - did so, then when I went back to the Page, the Post was gone-zo. Crazy, but it happened.
Follow-up Email received - thanx!
Many thanx for the good cheer ‘n ROUND of Tui!
Page 59 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:52 PM: And here he is again with a 3rd visit, chock full o' fotos from the lake.
Three classic vessels, fer sure, fer sure ‘n two steamers at that. They reminded me of the vessels I used to see quite regularly where I grew up. We called them "excursion boats" ‘n they would take us to places like Keensburg, NJ or Rye Beach, NY for outings that would be the hi-lite of summer for a kid. Both places had amusement parks that just seemed to dazzle ‘n amaze. Proctor & Gamble had a huge plant close to where I grew up, ‘n they would sponsor those cruises for the families ‘n friends of the employees. So, each summer, I'd go on at least one . . . was kind like a ritual for the end of school <which for us let out in late June>. Yeah, good memories . . .
Thanx for the visit, ROUND ‘n fotos!
Thursday - July 24th:
Page 159 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:29 AM <11:29 PM Wednesday Sandbox time>: Never doubt our Sandman, he's out there ‘n it's just a matter of time when he strolls thru our doorway . . .
What a splendid foto from the Stockholm area!
Volvo car batter died a death not planned on about a year ago. Got the "low battery" warning on the dash, then shortly all of the lights began to blink on the dash ‘n the car stopped. Turned out the voltage regulator ‘n alternator also "went." Had to get a tow to the dealership, where ONLY they sell the proper battery <no kidding!!>. That item alone was $125 . . . NOT including their labor charge! But, since the car was on extended warranty, the other items were covered <phew>. Never had such an experience - not good, not good. BUT, the battery was 6 years old - so shame on me! I USUALLY am on top of things like that - changing ‘em every 5 years, but for some reason, I let this one go longer - and paid for it! Volvo gets about 5 thousand miles per year, very lo-use . . . oh well - as I've said, it's a very expensive car to maintain. <geesh> A far cry from the days when I'd just go to Sears, buy a DieHard ‘n change it out myself . . . not so with the Volvo.
Hard to believe there's "happiness" with gas just below four bucks a gallon, eh Saw a piece on TV where Norway has the highest petrol prices in the world - over $11 dollars <US> per gallon and rising thanx to another tax increase. That's intolerable . . . wonder why the people put up with it Norway is the world's 5th largest oil exporting nation . . . figure that one, eh
Many thanx for your fine < I3 > Post ‘n good cheer!
Page 59 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:24 AM <1:24 PM GMT>: A surprising, but most appreciated visit from our Chief Chef this morning on our side of the pond!
Lots of railroading going on in west wales 'n the SOB! Many thanx for the foto spread - tells quite a story, fer sure, fer sure. Funny - but nice - thing about our hobby, when one gets the urge - it's all there for the doing.
"It only hurts for a little while," once the job begins of tearing up this 'n that - well, it's let's get on with it, eh Youbetcha!
Thanx for the breakfast bill o' fare - but I'm going to pass on it. If I ate like that, I'd rival the Zeps in appearance. <yikes>
Really great having your good cheer 'n fotos to jump start this day!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
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