"Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays!
G'day Gents!
I see we've had a fair amount of activity on Saturday, enuf for me to take this opportunity for "catch up," so here it comes!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Saturday - Feb 9th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:35 AM: Yeah, I'll freely admit that when I look at most diesel or electric locos, I can't tell the difference between iterations of ‘em. The F40s ‘n F59s look the same to me. However, it is good to know which is which - ‘n far better to get it right! That's an aspect of "Our" Place that stands out from the anecdotal stuff appearing in so many other cyber sites . . .
Check out the emblem on this link, it sure looks a lot like the one on your foto of that Chicago "work" thing . . .
<couldn't find one that would enlarge - however I believe you will note the resemblance - happens to be the USCG officer's cap device!>
Not to worry about Moi - I'll never become a WalMart greeter - the bride will just have to get a nite job!
Thanx for the fotos, visit ‘n chat!
Page 182 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:37 AM: Back again - two days in succession. What's all this talk about you not being able to keep up with us Only kidding - I understand what's happenin' as I'm in receipt of your Emails. Just hang in there, Mate - we takes what we gets ‘round here ‘n I'm in no hurry to replace you. Anyway, Rob is ‘stuck' with it should it come to it. That's why we call ‘em Assistants - they take over when the top guy is gone-zo. <uh oh> And Pete thinks he has it tough now. <grin>
Don't know if you realized it, but that Encore presentation you made from barndad Doug is the one where he coined the phrase "20 fingers" - which quickly caught on for our UTB with diarrhea of the fingers. A good selection for our Encore! Saturday - ‘n a fine piece from UTB Doug - a guy who really put things together for us all in a way that hasn't been replicated.
Many thanx for the visit, chat, ENCORE! ‘n ROUND!
Page 182 - Pete (pwolfe) at 1:44 PM ‘n 2:57 PM: Two visits in one afternoon - now that's just NOT normal from our friend the Wolfman in Central MO! But, we're most pleased that you've been able to make it in, as your company ‘round this joint is a cornerstone to what we're all about <aboot for Rob ‘n Fergie!> <grin>
Sorry that I "bumped" you back a notch with my "edit," didn't see you there until after I did it. <uh oh> Anyway, a guy's gotta do, what a guy's gotta do, eh
Next time we get together in Kirkwood we'll walk down to the ‘scene' - it isn't far from the station at all. And the tragedy of that night continues on in these parts as the area is in a state of mourning for those innocents lost.
Just love the way the Brit's revere in things like keeping up with the whereabouts of people such as Mr. Baker ‘n his connection with the Oh! Mr. Porter movie. An appreciation for what was, says a great deal to me about the worth of a society.
Oh you shouldn't have! I'm afraid <in more ways than I care to let on> that I'll have to decline such an <uhhhhhhhh> attractive offer of a date with Helga. No, no - I'm hardly worthy. Such a <uhhhhhhhh> treat should go to someone who has the <stomach> energy ‘n stamina for a lady such as she. I think Nick is the man for the job! Perhaps I should also decline answering any more of your <uhhhhhhhh> quizzes until the prize is known up front! <yikes>
That spate of eight fotos looks fine to me - kinda real life just got in the way of a couple. So what Anyway, foto ops should NEVER get in the way of being in line at the beer tent!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . February 10th thru 16th: Wyatt Earp (1994) Starring: Kevin Costner, Todd Allen, David Andrews, Linden Ashby, MacKenzie Astin & Greg Avelone - and - The Desert Rats (1953) Starring: Richard Burton, Robert Newton & James Mason. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idiots Deluxe (1945).
Wyatt Earp (1994)
PLOT SUMMARY: Kevin Costner plays the most famous lawman ever to stride the Wild West. In a gritty, complex portrayal hailed as a "classic American performance" (Bob Campbell, Newhouse Newspapers), Academy Award winner Costner (Dances with Wolves, The Bodyguard) plays the man who became a myth in acclaimed director Lawrence Kasdan's (The Big Chill, Silverado) epic, action-filled saga. Gene Hackman, an Oscar winner for Unforgiven, as Wyatt's iron-willed father, and Dennis Quaid (The Big Easy, The Right Stuff) as Earp's deadly best friend Doc Holliday add power to this mammoth, hard-hitting Western. From Wichita to Dodge City to the O.K. Corral in Tombstone, Arizona, Wyatt Earp is a thrilling journey of romance, adventure and desperate, heroic action.
Kevin Costner plays the most famous lawman ever to stride the Wild West. In a gritty, complex portrayal hailed as a "classic American performance" (Bob Campbell, Newhouse Newspapers), Academy Award winner Costner (Dances with Wolves, The Bodyguard) plays the man who became a myth in acclaimed director Lawrence Kasdan's (The Big Chill, Silverado) epic, action-filled saga. Gene Hackman, an Oscar winner for Unforgiven, as Wyatt's iron-willed father, and Dennis Quaid (The Big Easy, The Right Stuff) as Earp's deadly best friend Doc Holliday add power to this mammoth, hard-hitting Western. From Wichita to Dodge City to the O.K. Corral in Tombstone, Arizona, Wyatt Earp is a thrilling journey of romance, adventure and desperate, heroic action.
<from: amazon.com>
The Desert Rats (1953)
PLOT SUMMARY: Richard Burton stars in this exciting story of the stubborn, courageous men who held Rommel at bay in North Africa despite hopelessly outnumbered. The year is 1941, and Rommel has the British in full retreat. All that stands between him and the Suez Canal is the fortress of Tobruk, manned by a small army of Australian troops who are ordered to hold this vital position at any cost. Many of the men are green recruits, and it falls to Capt. MacRoberts (Burton) to whip them into shape. A bold tactician who realizes they will soon be overwhelmed if they do not take the offensive, MacRoberts leads countless daredevil raids that keep the superior enemy off-balance and earn his men the famous nickname they "won with blood and bore with pride." Directed by Robert Wise and co-starring James Mason in a reprise performance as Field Marshall Rommel (whom he first played in "The Desert Fox"), this stirring blend of action and history pays tribute to the heroic men known in the annals of war as The Desert Rats.
Richard Burton stars in this exciting story of the stubborn, courageous men who held Rommel at bay in North Africa despite hopelessly outnumbered. The year is 1941, and Rommel has the British in full retreat. All that stands between him and the Suez Canal is the fortress of Tobruk, manned by a small army of Australian troops who are ordered to hold this vital position at any cost. Many of the men are green recruits, and it falls to Capt. MacRoberts (Burton) to whip them into shape. A bold tactician who realizes they will soon be overwhelmed if they do not take the offensive, MacRoberts leads countless daredevil raids that keep the superior enemy off-balance and earn his men the famous nickname they "won with blood and bore with pride." Directed by Robert Wise and co-starring James Mason in a reprise performance as Field Marshall Rommel (whom he first played in "The Desert Fox"), this stirring blend of action and history pays tribute to the heroic men known in the annals of war as The Desert Rats.
SHORT: The Three Stooges - Idiots Deluxe (1945)
PLOT SUMMARY: Moe is on trial for assault with intent to commit mayhem. Moe explains he is very sick and needs peace and quiet. This segues into a flashback where Moe is disturbed by Larry and Curly's "Original Two-Man Quartet" act. To help Moe relax, Larry and Curly take him on a hunting trip, which is ruined by a grizzly bear. Moe is then found not guilty and chases his roommates out of the courtroom with an axe.
Moe is on trial for assault with intent to commit mayhem. Moe explains he is very sick and needs peace and quiet. This segues into a flashback where Moe is disturbed by Larry and Curly's "Original Two-Man Quartet" act. To help Moe relax, Larry and Curly take him on a hunting trip, which is ruined by a grizzly bear. Moe is then found not guilty and chases his roommates out of the courtroom with an axe.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend! Tom
Just a check in to see that Boris and the critters are tucked in and that no critters are chewing on the Penthouse suite doors again.And hey no Nick ro anyone else asleep under any of the tables
Tom-Couple good flicks for this week,I'll take in the Desert Rats for sure sorry <fer sure fer sure > for you.
I think that you'll have to read the fine print on Pete's prize pack,I believe it says something about only "death and natural disasters shall void the recieving of said prize also that it's non-transferable or can be converted to cash as no cash value is implied" <uh oh > It's only one night I'm sure that Boris can give you pointers on how to survive the evening.
Certainly keep me in the loop,I'd love to do exporail with you I might even be coerced into a ride to halifax as wellspeaking of rides My Mom and Dad were so enthralled with the pictures and descriptions of our trip last summer ( yes we told the the horror side as well )That they want to do a train trip for their 50th aniversary next year.My middle sister and her family ( hubby's the airforce dude ) are transfering back to Canada in May and have been posted to Comox BC,so looks like Mom and dad want Heather and I to accompany them on a partial ride on The Canadian ! early planning stages have us flying to Edmonton and doing the one night from their to Vancouver ( they don't want to spenfd three days and $5 large a piece for the whole trip ) .
Interesting cap badge does look a bit like the CSL's logo,I'm not getting overly excited about the UTB's we'll take what we can take always have always will.Wonder where Jan and Chris have gotten to
Rob
Into the slot! There it goes!
Hmmm, I wonder what Helga is doing here at this time? Singing!?
Dave – So you are Hilary’s running mate!?!? Good to see you again!!Rob – ATC is expensive, but it certainly saves lives and equipment! I am glad that you managed to convince Tom to accept Pete’s Quiz price! I am sure he will enjoy it! No cash value? Maybe he doesn’t even have to pay any taxes on it? It must be Tom's lucky day!!!Tom – I am trying to remember the name of a restaurant in Eugene, OR, that is located in some railroad cars! Nice place, good food! Maybe you have been there before? Two very good movies this week! I have to get tickets right away! I am happy for you that you will have such a great Valentine’s Day date with Helga!! The old counry 1968.Eric
<personal foto>
A smile to begin the week!
When asked if the movie, "Fatal Attraction," had frightened him, he replied, "Only the scary parts."
<A Yogi-ism!>
Ahhhhhh it's Monday once more! Another five days to excel for the bossman! But before heading out, don't forget to fill up your coffee mug, check out the pastry case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board to begin the day!
Comments from the Proprietor:
We've had return visits from three guys who were deeply entrenched in The Legion of the Lost over the past few weeks. These UTB <used to be> guys were all integral parts of this bar we call "Our" Place. Only time will tell whether they'll stick it out with us. One of ‘em hasn't returned since his brief visit . . . another has been very active . . . so, let's just let THEM play out their hands. It's very easy to say the words, but a bit more challenging to live ‘em.
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Sunday - Feb 10th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 Rob (trolleyboy) at 9:37 PM: <arrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh> I'm NOT going out with Helga now or in the future. No, no, no! Anyway, what in the world would Cindy say about THAT! <arrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh>
We probably should begin passing some Emails regarding that proposed Halifax to Montreal to ExpoRail 'n return with Fergie. I'll get something out shortly . . . For Fergie 'n I, we'd begin the rail portion in Halifax, where I'd fly to. Now if all of this falls through for him, we could arrange something just for the museum . . . Still in the pre-planning stages, but glad you're interested.
The trip from Edmonton to Vancouver involves one night aboard the train. It boards rather early in the morning and the station is no where near downtown. It's located right next to an airport as a matter of fact, but not the international one. Anyway, if only one night is what you can "do," by all means DO IT! Just get yourselves up to the Park Car dome ‘n stay there!
I don't have any particular "hang ups" with guys who let us know that they can't keep up with things ‘round here <for whatever their reasons> but when we get that "disappearing act," repeatedly - with nothing to let us know <even by Email>, well it gets OLD in a hurry, eh Borders on the inconsiderate when those very same people show up all over the Forums - but not here. Yes, we takes what we gets ‘round here!
I'd say Jan ‘n Chris are in limbo . . . at least they're not playing the "avoidance game" we've seen from others. Chris was hardly a regular or even an irregular, whereas Jan surely had his moments with us. They're both missed . . .
Thanx for the Sunday stop!
Monday - Feb 11th:
Page 182 - Eric (EricX2000) at 12:47 PM: One of my favorite places to eat is at the Eugene Electric Station restaurant where the dining rooms are in former railroad dining cars. Really a great place ‘n we fully intend to spend more than one night dining there. Here's a link:
http://www.oesrestaurant.com/oeshistory.htm
WRONG my friend - I have NOT accepted anything even close to a "date" with <ugh> Helga! <yikes> WRONG!
Really a fine foto from the old country!
CONTEST - CONTEST - CONTEST
When will we reach Page 200
Bonus: Who will make that Post
Confused Just provide TWO bits of info - the date - and - the person!
Example: March 17th - Nick.
Prizes: There will be a prize for getting the date correct - and - a grand prize if you get both (date ‘n person). No prize for just the person.
Some HELP:
Eric (EricX2000) turned the Page to 150 on Dec 5th , 2007
Mike (wanswheel) got us to Page 100 on Aug 23rd
Pete (pwolfe) helped us reach Page 50 on April 15th
Contest CLOSES one week from today - Monday, Feb 18th
Let's get going with your submissions!
Tom
Good day Tom and all at the bar. A round if you please for all.
Dan(DL-UK); Nice pictures of the GW railcars. My Karmann Ghia was a 1959 model. I had it for 5 years until I totaled it in a wreck. My first car was a 1952 MG which I traded for the K-G. Yes TV is getting worse and worse. It seems to be directed toward the seamier side of society and the under 8th grade educational level. That was a good link to the railplane. "Flying Brick", what an appropiate name. How do you eat your spam? Spam and eggs, spam, spam, eggs and spam. I know you had lots of the stuff during WWII. Hawaii is the largest consumer of spam and even I like it now and then. I still remember the olive green cans of spam that GI's brought home (Milrats).
Tom: Beautiful pictures of the Firth of Forth. One of my favorite bridges. Painting bridges is a continuous job. The GG bridge in San Francisco is an example. The painters start at one end, blast, prime and paint. When they get to the other end, they return to the first end and start the process all over again. Nice coverage of the GN. When I was in Tacoma, Wa in 1964, I saw some GN electrics at work before electrification ended. Do you live in or near Kirkwood? Pretty bad happenings at the courthouse for sure. BTW, I heard the road bridge was in poor condition and may be replaced by a new bridge. The railway bridge is still in perfect condition and should last a long time. It is truly an engineering work of art.
Pete: Nice looking Irish DMU's. They are all business looking, strong, robust, no frills.
Nick: Spam fritters? I like corned beef hash better. There used to be a premium food company that put up everything in cans. It was called S.S.Pierce and their CBH was the best around. Umm, I can still taste it. They went out of business many years back and no one has come up with a better product. Here's a recipe for CBH that I concocted which I think is close to the S.S. Pierce recipe.
CORNED BEEF HASH
By Ronald F. Seto
Ingredients:
Note: I leave the quantities up to you to suit your taste and ingredients on hand.
Leftover corned beef, chopped (roast beef may be substituted)
Mashed potatoes (left over, on the dry side, not too creamy)
Onion, chopped
Pepper, red and green, chopped
Two eggs, scrambled
Wosterchester sauce or soy sauce
Garlic
Salt and pepper
Cook onion, peppers and garlic in a cast iron skillet with a little oil. Don't burn
Add mashed potato, corn beef, eggs and sauce, salt and pepper.
Place another cast iron skillet on top of mixture and simmer on medium.
Stir up hash and replace cover. Cook until all is well browned. Serve.
Rob: When you are young and impressionable, things like Mack trucks etch an indelible impression on a young mind. I still have impressions of the 2nd avenue buses and the narrow gauge subway under the Hudson river to Hoboken. I believe it was called the Hudson tubes.
Eric: I tried to research the 1936 speed run of the passenger train in Canada, but came up with zilch. The picture of the Mack truck is now in my photo collection. I wonder how many of them survived.
CM3: Gas is 2.75 in my neck of the woods. I remember Matawan , N.J. for that was where the state mental institution was located. In New York, instead of calling someone nuts, we would exclaim "did you escape from Matawan?"
Events of 1937 Courtesy of Wikipedia
The following people were born in 1937: January 8 - Shirley Bassey; Welsh singer; January 15 - Margaret O'Brien; American actress; Vanessa Redgrave, English actress; January 31 Suzanne Pleshette, American actress (d. 2008); February 9 - Robert "Bilbo" Walker Jr., American blues guitaristl Graham Dowling, New Zealand cricketer; April 5 - Colin Powell, U.S. Secretary of State; Merle Haggard, American musician; April 22 - Jack Nicholson, American actor; April 28 - Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq (d. 2006); June 1 - Morgan Freeman, American actor; August 8 - Dustin Hoffman, American actor; Anthony Hopkins, Welsh actor
The USS Langley (CV-1/AV-3) was the United States Navy's first aircraft carrier, converted in 1920 from the collier USS Jupiter (AC-3), the navy's first electrically-propelled ship. The Langley was named after Samuel Pierpont Langley, an American aviation pioneer. Following another conversion, to a seaplane tender, Langley fought in World War II. She was so badly damaged by Japanese bombing attacks that she was sunk by her escorts on 27 February 1942.
Producer of Marihuana tax stamp.(The picture of the tax stamp didn't come through?)
In the United States, the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act, Pub. 238, 75th Congress, 50 Stat. 551 (Aug. 2, 1937), was an important bill on the path that led to the criminalization of cannabis. It was introduced to U.S. Congress by "Drug Czar" Harry Anslinger, then Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
The act did not itself criminalize the possession or usage of hemp, marihuana or cannabis, but levied a tax equaling roughly one dollar on anyone who dealt commercially in cannabis, hemp or marijuana. It did, however, include penalty provisions and a complex Regulation 1 codifying the elaborate rules of enforcement marijuana cannabis or hemp handlers were subject to. Violation of these procedures could result in a fine of up to $2000 and five years' imprisonment. The net effect was to make it too risky for anyone to deal in the substance until World War 2 required the Unites States Department of Agriculture to make it's 1942 movie "Hemp for Victory" that encouraged and taught farmer's to grow variants of hemp suitable as raw material for hawsers used by U.S Marines, the hemp was used as a substitute for other raw materials that were blocked by Japan.
Morning Ruth,I'll have the number three and the highest octane BK mix in a thermos you can muster.It's arad cold today -17C with a windchill of -30 C On the up side the gas prices dropped to .98 cents a litre ( probably figure it's the only way people will venture out to refuel )
Tom-On no you can't wiggle out of the prize it was won fair and square,besides Cindy think's it's cute and has helped helga pick out some ummm unmentionables ( all fashionably made from leather ) More cow hide there than I've seen in ages
As I said the trip with Mom and Dad is still in the planning stages but we'll see how it goes.I await the emails re Montreal and Halifax
Put me down for the Larsman on March 15th
Eric-Isn't it cute Tom's over his prize ahhh young love.Loved the shiot from the old country,if you hadn't told us where the photo was taken I'd swear it was one of the rural depots on the Ontario Northland,the only giveaway is the passenger equipment off on the siding definatly not North American,but only noticable when you enlarge. Great shot
Ron-Good morning sir, that recipe almost sounds good ( actually it does sound good but it also sounds a tad artery clogging oh well what's a couple arteries among freinds )
I suppose my young and impressionable youth was first stirred by a group of old CNR RS18's that used to switch the Port Weller drydocks back home still in faded Olive Green and yellow long after most CNR locomotives recieved their barricade stripes paint job.
I've always loved the VW KG's,theirs a bright yellow one we see around town in the summer the owner of the VW dealership owns it Ibeliev he said it ws a 59 as well,teh wife and I own two VW's currently a Jetta City and a Beetle,Tom's had the pleasure in the beetle ( a ride folks ).
Lots of interesting stuff in this Mondays events in history loved it,I've always been a navy history buff so this week's a keeper for sure.
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Temperature was +5 degrees this a.m. but it is warming up today. Went to Charleston yesterday - caught one train NB MTYS on the old VGN with two fine looking NS GEs on point - was on the WV Turnpike so really couldn't get pictures. Also found a train laid out east of Charleston on old C&O - more coal cars - it was so long I never did see the power, although I heard it when I was walking from the parking lot in Charleston to my destination. For the mariners (ancient and otherwise) the wind was so high (60+ mph sometimes) that the Kanawha had whitecaps - never seen that b4. Gas is still $3.09 - WV does have the highest gas taxes in the country, so that it part of it being so high.
I apologize for being late today, but Monday sometimes means a meeting which lasts for awhile - project planning, etc. argh!
Allan as by with comment and Nick stopped in as well.
Rob - The reason for wood sides on the Es was that originals had been replaced yrs ago and wood was cheaper. I enjoyed the pictures you sent of all the beasties - like the work car from Chicago.
Eric - Thanks for the information. I well remember the 4-8-4 in Havre. Wes stopped there for awhile on the Empire Builder; IIRC. It was a refueling stop. I remember photographing both eh Builder and the steam locomotive. Havelock Shop pictures were most interesting - building reminds me some of the NP shops in Livingston, MT.
Lars - Good to hear from you. The Image of Rail books vary in quality, not of pictures but of captions. Image of America series has lots of good stuff as well.
DD1 - Good to hear from you and I copied off what you sent.
Pete - Good information and more fine photos - thanks for sending them along.
OSP was by with an accident report. Human error probably - go back through the documents from days of yore and you will, for example, find reports of switchmen lining a switch correctly and then, thinking that it was lined improperly, going back and relining it - with predictably disastrous results. As always it's a case of perception=reality. Good movies ahead - I'll be there.
B4 I forget (what was that, Awk?) The CR cars you saw were probably office cars.
Work safe
Good afternoon again Ruth keeping warm here aave a mug o the BK best on me and I'll join you. I see that good ole' Boris has the,fireplace blazing which is a good thing , I'm not looking too closely at the kindling though
CM3-I see that the weather's about teh same where you are as wheer I'm sitting single digits F with minus's once the 30KPH winds are figured in,the brass monkey's are sad for sure today. Thanks for the info on the E's, I kind of guessed that was something like the case , wood paints up as well as metal ,so why not when one is keeping things running on a shoestring.At least spring isn't too far off.
Tom- Thanks for the chat this afternoon,it's always appreciated.As to our discussion here's though two VIA shots again,the differences are sometimes hard to catch,which is why it's good to look the second time.
Both shots are at bayview junction. The frist show's FPA4 6765 leading the train,bestway to describe the differences is the nose contours,much more square on the MLW FPA4 . Also teh typical vents on either side of the headlight,halmark of the ALCO/MLW FA series. The second shot has an ex CN FP9 leading,roundernose and the typical rrof fans of a GMD unit and the side grillwork.
Catching up on the visits . . . never know what the ‘morrow may bring!
CONTEST is "on" . . .
Monday - Feb 11th: <all times Central standard>
Page 182 - Ron (DD1) at 9:35 AM: First "in" this chilly Monday where the freezing rain is upon us as this winter storm watch continues . . . good to see our Resident Mississippi Gentleman about the decks!
Had wondered about you as the national weather maps were being shown these past several days - some tough times down south. Not a piece of cake up here either, I should add. <groan> Just to think we have spring to look forward to - which is the "traditional" tornado season in these parts. <yikes>
Yes, Kirkwood is a community not that far from where I live. As mentioned several times recently <accompanying many fotos> the St. Louis Museum of Transportation is in Kirkwood. Also, that's the town where I meet Pete when he comes in for a day or two - also where I board the train for my round-trips to Kansas City. It's a community that I wouldn't mind residing in . . .
Some truly relevant Classic Trains material in your Post - also some "off the wall" as well. Can always count on Wikipedia for both . . . never, ever take what they put up as "Gospel," unless they provide reference material, then of course one may verify.
It never crossed my feeble mind that the Hudson Tubes were built for narrow gauge stock - but it does make sense. . . . Here's a link chock full ‘o info!
http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubesenglish/index.html
Don't quite know how Matawan (NJ) got confused with Matewan (WV) . . . but I'll yield to CM3 Shane on that one! <grin> I believe we can rightly place the blame in Rob's direction! <uh oh>
Never was a fan of hash - corned beef or otherwise. Had my "fill" of it aboard ship, but that was then ‘n this is now! <grin> My maternal grandmother was born in Ireland ‘n of course we had our "share" of corned beef this ‘n that in my house, as my mother was quite a cook. Anyway, Nick most probably will pick up on your recipe . . .
Also even the mere mention of SPAM makes me want to head for the lee side . . . <barf>
Visit ‘n round appreciated!
Page 182 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:11 AM: No, no, no <arrrrrggggghhhh> I ain't doin' it! No way, no how! This was rigged I tell ya! Pete - you'll pay for this! <uh oh> Eric you too! Rob you as well! Vito - calling Vito . . . And what's this about Cindy going with Helga to the "Unmentionable shop ‘n Recycled engine oil depository" <geesh> I've been ganged up on . . .
Volkswagens - just loved those I had. My first was a VW squareback back in the late 60s - had a sunroof ‘n an 8-track player. It was just the right size for the Boston traffic. The kids loved to ride in it, although for a family of 5, we were cramped. I hated to part with it, but went "up" to a 3-seat Plymouth Satellite wagon. Then, when I was able to support a two-car family, I bought myself a '74 Beetle - new. It was a great -great car. Orange <'n I mean ORANGE!> in color ‘n kept if for 6 years. I sold that car for what I paid for it. Wunnerful machine. Even went to a small engine repair & maintenance course at a local college so that I could take care of it myself. About 10 years later I saw that car again - painted brown - but I "knew" her, for I had put a VW emblem on the rear engine panel along with a few other "indicators." Still runnin' ‘n lookin' good - although brown just didn't "do it" for me.
After that came the "baby of my life," a new 1980 Scirocco with all the bells ‘n whistles of the day. What a MoSheen ‘n what great fun I had with that beauty. It was Indiana Rot <red> in color ‘n also kept her for 6 years. Darned near shed a tear when I sold it. Went to a Chevy S-10 Blazer 4x4 - a good vehicle, but nothing like my Scirocco. Yeah, VWs - loved ‘em, fer sure, fer sure!
A link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco
Consider yourself "in" the CONTEST! March 15th for Lars is your entry. Thanx for participating . . . however, given this <crap> you're "in on," you may NOT be around to see the results! <uh
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #4
(1) GTW - La Salle
(2) C&O Lines
(3) CN&W - The Namekagon
(4) Milwaukee Road (CMSTPP) - The Columbian
(5) DRG&W - The Panoramic
(6) Erie - The Limited
(7) GN - The Empire Builder
(8) IC The Seminole
(9) KCS - The Southern Belle
(10) L&N - Dixie Line
(11) NYNH&H
(12) NYC - The James Whitcomb Riley
Enjoy!
Missed any
#1 . . . Page 156
#2 . . . Page 158
#3 . . . Page 166
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Harvey's Christmas Ale if there is any left please.
LARS Great to see you in the bar for a second time Saturday with some great trolley book covers.
ERIC Glad you are enjoying the photos from the cavalcade at Shildon. The year was 1975 and it was a celebration of the Stockton and Darlington Railways 150th anniversary. There was also a cavalcade in 1980 called Rocket 150, which was held at Rainhill not far from Liverpool where the Rainhill trials were held.
The numbers I give in the text to the photos are the number the locomotives ran with in their BR service. When the British railways were nationalized in 1948 the locomotives were renumbered apart from the Great Western locomotives, their locomotives carried their numbers on cast brass plates so it made sense to keep them. Of the others the diesel locomotives were in the 10000 range, the electrics in the 20000 series. For the steam locomotives the ex Southern had 30000 added to their numbers, the ex LMS had 40000 or 50000 added and the ex LNER 60000. The new BR Standards and the ex war Department locomotives were in the 70000 to 92250 range.
Many thanks for the photos of the Havelock shops of the BNSF, The two locomotives in the last photo look very clean, do you think they had just been through the shops for an overhaul.
Good photo of the old country, do you know what the car is on the right hand track.
DAVE Good to see you. Real glad my passion for British railways is rubbing off on you. I still wish though that I had been able to ride some of the Classis American trains in the 1950s.
ROB Thanks for the kind words on the photos, it is amazing looking back that so many steam locomotives were allowed to run on BR tracks at that time some of the locomotives had been got ready just for the cavalcade.
I got that one was an Alco and one was a GMD on the VIA diesels in your photos, I must be learning.
I will explain the reason for the quiz prize in my reply to TOM although it seems he is trying to get out of it, I can't imagine why though.
RON Many thanks for the Corned Beef Hash recipe I will have to try it.
Interesting events in 1937. I see the first GM E series diesel came out that year, while steam design was still progressing the first Duplex. I had wondered how the group Manhattan Transfer got their name.Many thanksfor compiling the list
Do you know how the electricity for the U.S.S. Langley propulsion was produced, was it by turbine or a diesel engine.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photos and the descriptions. I would be very surprised if there ever was a cavalcade involving so many engines on BR in the future, but you never know.
TOM Best of luck getting out of the date with HELGA. I have already told her that I was not worthy when she picked the bikini (that was very cheap and nearly fits after the Far East manufactures mixed up the Imperial and Metric measurements). I told her the only fair way was a quiz to see who would have the honor to accompany her in public wearing the outfit.
Yes it was very interesting story Mr. Baker had to tell. In the area I lived I was able to get, on the radio, a weekly program broadcast from Birmingham by a man named Carl Chinn, who is a Professor of Local History. His program was about ordinary people talking about the old times in Birmingham and the Black Country in times much changed from today. I believe also that a lot of tape recordings have been taken so that memories of old times won't be lost. I know I could listen for hours to a retired engine driver tell me is tales of days gone by.
Many thanks for thinking of me on a future trip to Halifax.
Yes I enjoyed the Railroad Magazine article first posted by Doug and encored by Lars, I believe there are some old issues of the magazine in the UMSL library.
Two good films on at the Emporium this week
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Nick. Hope you survived the invasion of those Irish rugger supporters OK, hope their was`nt a riot there.
Rob. It would be great to meet you all at Rendezvous III, have a round on me with all the guys. Nice lot of work trolley pics you posted and all the other pics.
Eric. Thanks for that link to the Toronto Transit, Rob`s stomping ground, and nice pics of GN`s 4-8-4 #2584 and the nice pic of your old country. I can see you are getting real hungry now asking Tom about that diner in Oregon.
Lars. Nice comments about "Our" place and all the guys`, totally agree with you. Nice re-post of Barndad Doug`s info from 2006 and the great set of covAHS from the Larsman Mobile down on the Key`s.
Pete. Many thanks for the Shildon photo`s, they are great and are most definately "keepers". Glad you enjoyed Ernies photo site, a great collection of Geordieland railway pics without a doubt, sad to see they closed the Blyth engine shed, used to go to the Essoldo cinema there once a month as relieving trainee projectionist, was based at the Picture House, Whitley Bay, until joining the army, we were living in Shiremoor in those days`.[the Backworth mines` area]. You are doing a great job with that new scanner of yours. Was totally gutted with the "Toon" going down to Villa 4-1!
Dave. Nice to meet you, welcome back aboard.
Ron. Thanks for the great Corned Beef Hash recipe, have printed and saved it for future reference, another very interesting lot of events in 1937, see you had included a NZ cricketer, he had retired from the game by 1972 when we arrived out here. Hope your back is much better now?
Dan. Forgot to mention that pic of the allotments you mentioned in that Westoe site, can just imagine how they used to live in those sheds to guard their prize leeks during the annual leek growing competition season, and all the whist and 500 school`s going on in there as well. typical Andy Capp country!
CM3. Nice to see you in and not too affected by the bad weather.
Tom. Awful news about that shooting in Kirkwood the other day, had to search the net for the full news as it did`nt feature on TVNZ, we are having an awful lot of stabbings by teenagers at the moment over here, which goes hand in hand with their "Binge" drinking habits, they can legally drink at 18 years old now, but they sure can`t hold it! Good to hear Fergie has come up with a solution for your water problem in the basement. That was a great set of pics of the Rendezvous I meet in Rob`s hometown and Toronto, all "keepers", you guys looked as if you were enjoying yourselves`. Nice link to the Oregon Electric Station, great info and some tempting menus in the diner. A real nice selection of interesting drumheads and a couple of classic flicks for the weekend, a coincidence, my father served in the Desert Rats during the war, Artillery of course, so a nostalgic flick for me. The date for the competition I think will be March 15th and the post will be by Pete. Hows that SNOW situation going at the moment?
See ya, Allan
Good evenining Leon ,I see that you've had a bit of action tonight which is good don';t need you falling asleep behind the bar. I see that Boris has looked after his charges even cleaned out teh various cages and pens hmmm I wonder why I had better check the PPF closet ah yes all the larges are gone sooo we'll have to order a few more.
Tom-I see still refusing to claim your prize eh Ve hav vays you know,even Vito thought it was a good idea ( he's running numbers you see on if you will or won't accept ) incidentally I ahve it on the strictest authority ( vito's cousin Vinny ) that Vito has bet heavily on you accepting the prize. <uh oh > the odds were 100 to one that you wouldn't so as vito has said he's going for the sure thing if you get my drift ,I also noted that he just got a new consignment of cement forms < double uh oh >
Anyway great drumheads sir is that Southern belle one different The colours and picture seems a bit different than the last one you posted ( might just be dirty glasses though ) No Boris don't spit polish <ugh> at least you could ahve taken them off my head first <arggh>
If the Exporail thing flies I'll meet or pick up where ever. I'm amazed that you have no directs to Buffalo,tell me again why St louis is and Internatioanl airport.
Pete-You see I knew that their was a reason the prize was what it was,that makes perfect sence. I know that Cindy and the Ladies of Perpetual motion had worked hard on that bikini,I like the silver bullets and chain links that hold it together in the strategic spots.
You see we'll make a North American railfan out of you yet your already telling the difference between F units and FA's next you'll be able to resite the all time roster of the NYC Just joking of coarse but hey I'm learnuing all about the preserved steam on the BR and you're starting to be able to recognize American diesel locomotives,I would say mission accomplished for are little bar by the ballast n'est pas
Allan-Good to see you pop in tonight as well or is it tomorrow morning for you sorry as ever,so I'll just give you the Aussi g'day instead to cover all possibilities.I aggree with you that shooting was a tradgedy to much of that sort of thing in any country anymore,even more so when it's the young that are doing it.18's a tad young to be able to drink , I thought that the 19 here was bad enough.
I won't make R3 but hope to perhaps meet up with some of the others later or earlier on depending how the time and planning goes.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, get me my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris! A double, cold Tui, please!
Now, let's see what we have toni... this morning. Looks interesting!
Tom – That’s the one, Eugene Electric Station! A friend of mine and I had dinner there July 7, 1993. Stayed at a hotel not far from it. I think I have a photo from the inside of the restaurant. We will reach Page 200 March 1 and Manager Lars will make that post! I have had 3 different Volkswagens and I can’t say they belonged to my favorite cars. I can understand if you liked the Scirocco though. That seemed to be a nice car. Very nice drumheads! I must say I prefer round ones. Ron – I had the same lack of luck! Could not find anything about the Canadian speed record. But I am not done yet. I really don’t know how many Mack trucks the World Circus Museum has. Interesting events that took place in 1937! The first EMD E1 was introduced. I wonder why EMD E2 was introduced four months before E1? Rob – If you read between the lines in Tom’s post you can tell that he is really looking forward to spend Valentine’s Day with Helga. He is kind of shy though.
Interesting to compare the FPA4 and FP9! Nice photos!CM3 – Sorry about your gas price, here it is $2.71. Heard on the news that it is expected to drop quite a bit this spring thanks to the slow economy. I believe it when I see it. Pete – Thanks for the information on the locomotive numbers! But I think those “long” numbers increased the chance that one would mix up the digits and remember the wrong number. I think those two locomotives were used for switching at the shops. The photo shows when a new train crew is taking over. The car on the right hand track in my photo is a short baggage car in the same design as the DMUs it was used with. See photo below.
Do you know anything about the stem locomotive being built in the UK from scratch? See link below. I think it is an amazing project and now it is almost ready to run!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7238506.stmAllan – One of my best memories from Eugene, OR, is that restaurant, Oregon Electric Station. Good food and interesting place! Hope I will be able to go back there one day! Eric
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Usually we patiently wait for Lars to report on the 13th that, once again, another 12th of the month has passed uncelebrated. Well not this time. Hail hail the gang's all here...For he's a jolly good fellow...
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Explored the Hudson Tubes link, and there's that beautiful 47-story Singer Building, tallest in the world in 1908, demolished in 1967 to make way for the World Trade Center. The view of river traffic from the high floors must have been neat in those days.
199th birthday
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GM&O
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Lincoln Memorial
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Differential dump, in the lower photo, similar to the thing that Rob took a picture of in Chicago
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Moose Grimshaw
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Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. All the bad weather is to the north and west of us here today - lots of school closings, etc. I-64 was closed down for awhile last night near Charleston so they could clean up the wrecks.
Pete and Allan were by with comments and information.
Eric - Thanks for sending along the picture - fascinating stuff to look at.
Rob provided a spotting class in FPA4s and F units. Remember all of them quite well.
Mike stopped by with some fine pictures of New York "back when." Fascinating detail when you enlarge them. The GM&O shots were good as well, especially the one of the observation car.
The postcard is an interesting item re color. Alton name and B&O colors - I guess they didn't want to offend anybody.
Then we had a Moose Grimshaw cigarette card, player record and an "action" photo as we'll. I KNEW I could count on you.
Now lets see if you can find Sandow Mertes - one of my all time favorite obscure player names, although ‘Ol Sandow was around a lot longer than Moose.
Quiz for the day is who was the original Sandow?
OSP was by with reflections and reminiscences. I learned to drive on 1 1953 VW - IIRC, the 3rd one brought into New England - easy to take care of, started real good in the winter, but OMG, the heat in that beast was questionable at best. Turn signals were in the window posts - they were semaphores.
Thanks for the drumheads.
Our definition of "accident" is a lot tighter than most and is tied in with degree of injury. The general word(s) used for what you mentioned is "carelessness" or the ever-popular "human error." It can be people, or in some cases, machine design, or in still other cases, panic. The book that has been going around in the exchange gives examples of all of them. BTW, an excellent more up-to-date book that talks about a lot of this stuff (with a bunch of railroad-related material) is title Minding the Machines. Your library can probably ILL it for you.
I plan to be around tomorrow but it probably will not be until late in the afternoon - same for Friday, but I'll do my best to stop by.
work safe
What's to say other than we're at Tuesday once again. You know, that day following Monday, but the day before "hump day"! Time to fill up those mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, sample a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Petrol still holding at $2.78 (rounded) up at Collusion Corner . . .
Participants thus far:
(1) Rob sez Mar 15th (Lars)
(2) Pete sez Mar 19th (Rob)
(3) Allan sez Mar 15th (Pete)
(4) Eric sez Mar 1st (Lars)
(5) Mike sez Mar 12th (Tom)
Page 183 - Pete (pwolfe) at 5:34 PM: Smooth move ExLax - but no See-Gar! I ain't gonna do it - no way, no how, nope - not Moi! <frown> <urp> <barf> <yikes> Body oil by the drum <ommmmmigosh!> I really think you meant 55 gallon drum, eh
You weave quite a circuitous route with that "explanation." Where did it state that a "date" with Helga was to be the "prize" for your quiz How desperate for a ‘date' can one get <yikes> YOU were "selected," ‘n therefore YOU should go. Otherwise, it's "hands down" for Nick!
Weather report: As I type this (7:30 PM) it's doing nothing - just cold out there with about ¼ inch of ice on the sidewalks. Streets have been well "chemicled," although there are some slick spots. Took the bride about an extra hour to get home this afternoon . . .
All sorts of scenarios discussed with Rob today for a possible visit to ExpoRail . . . I'll try to compile ‘em all in an Email to you, Fergie ‘n Rob . . .
That comment about sleeping cars on the Oregon Electric Railway is supposedly a quote from a reputable magazine <at the time>. So, I'd say it's correct. Perhaps a thru car for connections with other roads. Too bad our former left coast connection <Dave> isn't around more often, for he'd probably know . . .
Here's the informative link again - since it was first put up on the previous Page - ‘n we KNOW how few EVER go back . . .
Regarding those drumheads - the idea is to present them from the Classic Trains era, so yes - you are correct in your appraisal.
Morning everyone. Hey Ruth how are you , I know fairing until you can fly south again.Well I think i'll have the medium octane BK coffee and a number three lease as always keep the change ( gotta build up the tip jar for your next southern trip )Speaking of octane it's a bit cooler today somehow than even yesterday,though cool is a relitive term when one is dealing with single digits and below. gas prices dropped a bit overnight to just under 98 cents a litre, getting close to the WVA prices per gallon.
Eric-Ah yes I remember West coast Dave talking about that restaurant at one point over on the old thread,I think he even sent some photo's along of when it was still a depot.Nice to see old stations and depots re-used after their rail use is over,beats tearing them down in my estimation. The old CPR /TH&B station here in Brantford has been two different restaurants since it's closure as a railway building,currently some reno's are happeneing ( the last restaurant closed five years ago )so we await to see what opens in there this time.
Nice additonal pic from the old country, those DMU's almost look like the light weight steel interurbans the Indiana railway used to operate _ from the sides and the ends.
Mike-Yes indeed another birthday here at Our Palce good of you to notice . Some interesting stuff in the urls this morning,loved the construction shot of the Hudson tubes Nice shots of the harbour as well,even a bit of baseball and Lincoln memorials to wind out a mixed bag fer sure fer sure.
Those differential cars aer indeed similar.alot of street railways would order them direct ( if funds were fluid enough ) Nice thing about the Differentila car co is that they would sell kits to those railways that had the shops and shop forces.Perhaps the case with Chicago,the car was home built but the dump bodies could very well been a kit. The TTC did that as well,they never ordered direct from Diff car due to the cost factor but they did retrofit several of the old TRC flatmotors to dump motors with Diff kits.
Ruth another stiff coffee please No Boris i don't want you to put it outside <sheesh> thought hat would work today.Hmm two more in while I was two finger typing oh well such is the way in the bar.
Tom-Nope her sights are set on you not unlike a bloodhound on Boris's socks,tell you what I'll be the big man about it ,and escort you two with Hilda ( she's a much bigger handfull anyway ) oh BTW Hilda says she can fix those piles for you , something a bout a quick jab and flick with her nailfile and a sealing with a bic lighterBesides Guido sez so, so we'll all four of us have a wonderfull night at the second class ( who knows we may get a couple of the locals there to take them off our hands )
Nice to remenice about the first cars ,mine was an Orange '74 AMC Hornet what can I say it cost $300 when I turned 18 so it was only fourteen years old at the time.Ran it for two yeasr actually trouble free the thing just wouldn't die I sold it for a profit so what the heck.Funny enough my best freind had a green Gremlin at the same time ( couldn't be any colour but )I noticed that the last time I was in a hobby shop that there is a company making HO scale Pinto's Pacers,Gremlin's and Hornets,unfortunalty the Hornet is the same shade as the one I owned so I guess I'll buy it for posterity sake.
CM3-Glad to see you make it in this morning as well. I have no clue about your question so I'll wait with baited breath the answer.
Here's one that's been in the hopper for quite awhile - required some reformatting 'n so forth along with breaking it up into THREE PARTS . . . so sit back 'n enjoy! Oh yeah, don't forget to order something while reading thru . . .
Now arriving on Track # 3
Classic Transit - Number Three
London Underground
Part I of III
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Information NOT corroborated.
Locale
Greater London and Chiltern, Epping Forest, Three Rivers, Watford
Transit type
Electrified Metro Railway
Began operation
1863
System length
408 km / 253 miles
No. of lines
12
No. of stations
275 served (253 owned)
Daily ridership
2.7 million (approximate)
Track gauge
1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in)
Operator
Transport for London
The London Underground is an all-electric railway system that covers much of Greater London and some neighbouring areas. It is the world's oldest underground system, and is one of the largest in terms of route length. Services began on January 10 1863 on the Metropolitan Railway; most of that initial route is now part of the Hammersmith & City Line. Despite its name, about 55% of the network is above ground. Popular local names include the Underground and, more colloquially, the Tube, in reference to the cylindrical shape of the system's deep-bore tunnels.
The Underground serves 275 stations and runs over 408 km (253 miles) of line. There are a number of former stations and tunnels that are closed. In 2004-2005, total passenger journeys reached a record number of 976 million, an average of 2.67 million per day.
Since 2003, the Underground has been part of Transport for London (TfL), which also administers Greater London's buses, including the famous red double-deckers, and carries out numerous other transport-related functions. The former London Underground Limited was a subsidiary of London Regional Transport, a statutory corporation.
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Been over 2 hours since Part I with no customers . . . so may as well continue on . . .
Part II of III
Infrastructure
Zone 1 (central zone) of the Underground network in a more geographically accurate layout than the usual Tube map, using the same style
The Underground does not run 24 hours a day, because all track maintenance must be done at night, after the system closes. First trains on the network start operating shortly after 05:00, running until around 01:00. Unlike systems such as the New York City Subway, few parts of the Underground have express tracks that would allow trains to be routed around maintenance sites. Recently, greater use has been made of weekend closures of parts of the system for scheduled engineering work.
Rolling stock
1996 Tube Stock trains stabled at Stratford Market Depot
The Underground uses rolling stock built between 1960 and 2005. Stock on sub-surface lines is identified by a letter (such as A Stock, used on the Metropolitan Line), while tube stock is identified by the year in which it was designed (for example, 1996 Stock, used on the Jubilee Line). All lines are worked by a single type of stock except the District Line, which uses both C and D Stock. Two types of stock are currently being developed - 2009 Stock for the Victoria Line and S stock for the sub-surface lines, with the Metropolitan Line A Stock being replaced first. Rollout of both is expected to begin about 2009.
Stations
The Underground serves 274 stations, including Regent's Park tube station (closed for reconstruction until June 2007) and Shoreditch (closed, but served by a replacement bus service, until Shoreditch High Street station opens as part of the East London Line Extension). Fourteen Underground stations are outside Greater London, of which five (Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chesham, Chorleywood, Epping) are beyond the M25 London Orbital motorway.
Lines
The Underground is one of the few railways electrified on the four-rail system. In addition to the two running rails there are two rails that supply power to the trains, one outside the running rails electrified at +420 V DC, the other in the middle at -210 V, producing a
Ruth, go ahead 'n take off . . . Yeah, I saw a couple of guys "peeking in the windows" . . . . call this day a loss. <geesh>
The finale . . . .
Part III of III
Delays
The Underground is notorious for its many delays. According to statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the average commuter on the Metropolitan Line wasted three days, 10 hours and 25 minutes in 2006 due to delays (not including missed connections). Figures for September-October 2006 show that 211 train services were delayed by more than 15 minutes for that period. However, passengers are entitled to a refund if their journey is delayed by 15 minutes or more due to circumstances within the control of TFL.
Station access
Escalators at Bank station on the Northern Line.
Accessibility by people with mobility problems was not considered when most of the system was built, and older stations are inaccessible to disabled people. More recent stations were designed for accessibility, but retrofitting accessibility features to old stations is at best prohibitively expensive and technically extremely difficult, and often impossible. Even when there are already escalators or lifts, there are often steps between the lift or escalator landings and the platforms.
Most stations on the surface require use of at least a short flight of stairs to gain access from street level, and the great majority of stations sited underground require use of stairs or some of the system's 410 escalators (each going at a speed of 145 ft per minute, approximately 1.65 miles per hour). There are also some lengthy walks and further flights of steps required to gain access to platforms.
Some of the escalators in Underground stations are among the longest in Europe and all are custom-built. They run 20 hours a day, 364 days a year, with 95% of them operational at any one time, and can cope with 13,000 people per hour. Convention and signage stipulate that people using escalators on the Underground stand on the right-hand side so as not to obstruct those who walk past them on the left.
TfL produces a map indicating which stations are accessible, and the more recent (2004) line maps indicate with a wheelchair symbol those stations that provide step-free access from street level. Step height from platform to train is up to 200 mm, and there can be a large gap between the train and curved platforms. Only the Jubilee Line Extension is completely accessible.
TfL plans that by 2020 there should be a network of over 100 fully accessible stations. This consists of those already accessible (recently built or rebuilt, and a handful of suburban stations that happen to have level access) along with selected 'key stations', which will be rebuilt. These key stations have been chosen due to high usage, interchange potential, and geographic spread, so that up to 75% of journeys will be achievable step-free.
Safety
Westminster station - extensive structures are required to support Portcullis House above.
Suicides
Most fatalities on the network are suicides. Most plat
A Pint of Holden's Special please RUTH.
ALLAN Really glad you are enjoying the Shildon photos. I will have to get to Shildon when I am over the old land, as they have built a new museum there as an outpost of the NRM called ‘Locomotion'.
Sadly I have only seen Blyth from the train on the special and from the bus windows on the shed visits. I remember the Geordie, I used to work with, telling me about Whitley Bay he said it was a nice place but could be pretty cold with the east wind off the North Sea.
We did have a visit from my works to the Swan Hunter shipyard many years ago it was in winter and remember it was a cold we were not used to being from the Midlands.
Did you see the Rugby 7s from San Diego; I see NZ won the cup.
ROB Real glad you have offered to accompany Tom and Helga with Hilda, I am sure it will be lot more successful than the double date Vito the Hit set up for them a while ago.
Yes I am learning to recognize some of the American locomotives, by a coincidence there was this locomotive at Jeff City this morning, I have seen locos like this in photos at Our Place but not on the main line.
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I had not got my camera with me and it would be hard to get a decent photo as there was a lot of stuff in the way, but I found the photo of the locomotove 8786 photo on the web.
ERIC It is because of the long numbers that us Brit spotters have a notebook and a black bag to carry it in.
It is good to see those locomotives used for switching at the shops were in such a clean condition.
Many thanks for the explanation and the photo of the baggage car in yesterday's photo. It seems from the photo that the baggage cars have a driving position at just the one end and the DMU at both ends, I guess the baggage cars can be turned on the turntable outside that great half roundhouse if needed.
Yes I have following the development of the building of the new A1 locomotive, thanks for the link to that most up to date info on the locomotive. It is indeed an amazing project and many thanks to those who have seen it through from an idea that more than one thought was impossible. I am sure the Great Central Railway will get a lot of folks there to see her running in and to get to travel behind her. It will be very interesting to see if she will be allowed to run at 90 MPH on the main line the present speed limit for steam is 75 MPH.
MIKE For remembering the Anniversary of Our Place today.
Many thanks for those great old photos of New York and the great links. Really enjoyed the Manhattan's Lost Streetcars one with the great text and photos.
CM3 Thanks for the details on Mike's photos and links.
TOM Yes HELGA is pretty desperate after the disappointment of her last date. I'm afraid since she found out it was our worthy proprietor who won her hand, so to speak, she is quite struck with the idea.
Yes that Sleeping Car on the Oregon Electric Railway has got me intrigued, it would be good to know more hopefully the link will attract some answers.
I agree with what you said about mobile phones and drivers especially teenagers I see in a survey 47% admitted TEXTING while driving.
Great reading on the London Underground, I have always been fascinated by the old lines and abandoned stations. Alan gets a magazine, which deals solely with the railways in the London area. I believe the mileposts on LT are taken from zero at Onger station which is no longer part of the Underground system with the LT trains stopping at Epping, I was able to travel the line, which just ran at peak times,
Good day gents, round for all, on Helga of course :
Tom:
Very interesting your 3 part London Underground, and to think I thought it was a night spot to bed Boris down!!!! I suppose similar info is available for domestic transit systems.
Rob:
Yep, those would be the creatures, after Amtrak had no further use for them, they were purchased by locomotive dealer VMI and leased for freight service to the SP, they were common toward the end in my neck of the woods, replete with Amtrak paint and numbers in most cases and really stood out because the were clean!!!
Ok to the subject interurban sleepers, specifically Oregon Electric. To my knowledge none existed, parlor car yes, but this was keeping in time with similar services offered by the SN and PE until the early 30's. The OE was completely abandoned by 1940, abandoments of local lines had been ongoing for years. The wooden fleet was largly scrapped, the big steel motors initially were purchased and relocated for East Bay service in Northern California until that too was abandoned in 1940. They languished in scrap for several years until purchased by the US Maritime Commision for the use of ship yard workers at Terminal Island in Southern California. Overhauled by PE these monsters impressed shop man and management alike, thus when deemed surplus, all 67 cars were incorported into the PE roster. I have yet to uncover any evidence that despite extensive rebuildings and reconfigurations by many owners over many years, any that served orginally in a sleeper capacity for the OE or any other western interurban system.
Eric:
I say that GN 4-8-4 is a most impressive machine, doomed to die young as they were deemed not suitable for freight service due to those 80 inch drivers and roller coaster profile. Too Bad this can't be the subject of a restoration, I doubt will see big steam rolling out on the main as we did just a decade ago, given the current climate of the business and insurance preminums...
I neglected to address the various subject matters put forth by CM3, Waynswheel, Allan, trust that I shall endevor to pose a intelligent response when able....
Until later
Dave
Good vening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon,a Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich, please! The usual to drink! Drinks are on me from now until tomorrow evening! We have to celebrate our 34th Monthiversary!!!
We are getting close to Our 3rd Anniversary! Any plans?
Mike – Considering my short memory (0.2 sec.) I am not surprised that I missed the 34th Monthly Anniversary last night. Not at all. I guess Manager Lars is busy in the Keys. I hope he (and the Mrs.) has a good time in the sun!Interesting pictures of long gone days around Manhattan! President Lincoln 199th birthday! And the train President Lincoln! Very interesting preview of the book “Manhattan’s Lost Streetcars”!CM3 – Those DMUs are long gone now. The photo is from 1967-68. Quite a few have been preserved though. Tom – Volvo is still very much a product of Sweden. Most of them are built and developed in Gothenburg, some are built in Belgium and a few other places. Like my Grand Marquis, built in Canada. London Underground! Very classic indeed. I have to check if I have any photos from the Underground. I have been riding it several times. I remember the Jubilee Line from my visit in 1979. If I recall correctly it was named the Jubilee Line because of the Queen something. DL, Nick or Pete probably know more about the Jubilee Line. A lot of interesting information!!! Rob – Those DMUs are/were light weight, built for less busy branch lines. They are now retired but some have been preserved. Pete – In the photo one can only see a combined baggage and passenger car and they have a driving position in one end. The plain baggage car in the first photo is shorter and does not have any controls. It is usually coupled between two DMUs. As I already explained above, all those DMUs are now out of service. Quite a few have been preserved though. A cold, snowy photo from Sheffield! Days like those I try to stay inside. Thanks for the photo!Dave – According to a book I have, "The Electric Interurban Railways in America" did Oregon Electric buy two sleeping cars in 1912 from the Barney and Smith Car Company. They were used between Portland and Eugene (143 miles) and the traveling time was scheduled for six hours. They were taken out of service 1928 and sold to Pacific Great Eastern Railway in British Columbia.
Not a sleeping car. Pacific Electric #418.
Eric
Good Morning Captain Tom and Sundry
What's this I here... Rob and Helga??? A set up I think, on Rob's part no less as Rob would neva get tweeted accidently would he?
As to the Contest put me down for the 21st of March please and Thanks
And speaking of Tweeting I'll have a Western with extra Mayo with a side order of Home made Molasses beans and Brown Bread.
Tom got the e-mail and I'm interested to say the least, very interested!
Anyway time to get ready for class and schools across the province have been closed again today (Monday was a Closed School Day too) in anticipation of a Winter snow, Freezezing rain and Heavy Rain fall warning type kinda storm later today.
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Wednesday's Witticism
Remember "back in the day" when you heard the older generation speak of "How fast time flies," And you thought, "What are they talking about " Well, guess what - it does! Here we are once again at mid-week in mid-continent USA where it's nearly mid-month. <yikes>
That smell is our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee just waiting for you. While you're at it, check out the pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n if you've got the appetite, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! That should help begin the day on the right foot . . .
HELP WANTED!
By the by guyz - would appreciate it if every now ‘n then those of you who provide fotos give a visit to "my other Thread" just to drop ONE off. Especially if you note that there's been considerable time between visits . . . THANX! Of course, y'all are welcome to visit, if only to drop off a word or three . . .
Also, should you visit other Threads, please consider inviting those you think may be interested in joining us for a session at the bar. Really need to keep building the clientele, guys. Just think of those we've lost ‘n are losing . . .
Tuesday - Feb 12th: <all times Central standard>
Page 183 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 8:46 AM ‘n 9:06 AM: One of the "things" I thought would be fun to do was to collect model cars for each one I owned - same colors, of course ‘n all in the same scale. I began in earnest to seek out a manufacturer to meet my needs. Never found one - not one either in "brick ‘n mortar" environments ‘round the country, or in the Ether. Even if I slacked off on my criteria, for example - size, I still couldn't locate one of each. Did this over a period of years, but never succeeded so I forgot about it <fuhgedaboudit>. <groan> Still think it would be "neat" to have a display case with those cars of mine . . . <ahhhhhhh>
So let me get this straight - YOU are proposing a double date This is supposed to be your way of getting out of that <tweeting> OR being such a great guy, eh
You can take the Volvo out of Sweden but you can't take Sweden out of the Volvo.
My ''74 Super Beetle was green. It could do over 80 on the parkway. How do you turn the heater off? I was duct taping the vents for temporary relief.
Fergie, thanks for the compact post to repy to, very helpful believe it or not.
Sandow Mertes for CM3
http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0014/s001469.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=UqdMgXghj4oC&pg=PA29&dq=sam+mertes&lr=&as_brr=3&sig=Clemx0x1jp7zqgdrmHUXPV0Ch50
And a very old book that might be of interest to Pete, DL, Allan and Nick
http://books.google.com/books?id=LtpAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR7&dq=%22our+home+railways%22+++contents&as_brr=3#PPR8,M1
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