G'day Gents!
What's different Nothing! Same crew, same way of doing things and hopefully the same supporting cast that has kept us afloat all this time.
History: "Our" Place began on April 12th, 2005 on the General Discussion (Classic Trains) Forum.
Concept: An adult bar & grill for all who are interested in and familiar with "Classic Trains."
The conversations are as they would be in a neighborhood bar, where people know one another and share stories, photos and other information relevant to the idea of the Forum - Classic Trains.
All of this with some humor thrown in and the rest is simple.
Objective: Have fun!
Ground rules: Leave ALL emotional baggage and "attitudes" on the front porch.
Be inclusive with your comments through the acknowledgment of the other guy's efforts. Hit ‘n run Posts are not welcome.
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Final "stats" for the 2nd "old" Thread at 9:34 AM, 21 Mar 2008:
Replies: 4,001
Views: 122,664
Pages: 201
For those who may require it, the links to the "old" Threads are:
#1 - http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/451/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
#2 - http://cs.trains.com/forums/201/991960/ShowPost.aspx#991960
The REGULAR customers of "Our" Place as of 21 Mar 2008:
Pete <pwolfe> Bar Chandler . . . Jefferson City, MO, USA <resident Brit>
Eric <EricX2000> . . . Phoenix, AZ, USA <resident Swede>
Rob <trolleyboy> Manager . . . Brantford, ON, Canada <resident Canadian>
Allan <Gunneral> . . . Waipukurau, New Zealand <resident Kiwi - ex-pat Brit>
CM3 Shane <coalminer3> . . . Beckley, West Virginia, USA <resident coal miner>
Tom (siberianmo)
Proprietor, "Our" Place
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Just a short one today as or computers are due to be shut down for maintenance at any second.
I see that we are into another iteration. Let's keep it going.
BTW, what's this about the second Class Boys having an Easter egg hunt with live rounds?
Easter greetings to all and we shall talk bright (ha) and early (that's probably true) Monday.
work safe
Hi Tom and all.
Imagine my when came to the bar early but the door was locked but TOM as been in and we have a new thread so let me get a round in RUTH..I think BORIS has done some mods to the pool room.In the photo above the 'Beware of Trains' sign there is a photo of a Birmingham Trolley bus, Rob
ALLAN I think the photo of the class 03 shunter must be in my slides so I will have a look there.
It would have been great to have seen the railway at the Guinness brewery when it was working with those unique locomotives, I wonder if there was any cine film taken of the railway I guess there would have been some organized visits to the brewery the railway was in operation.
The Royal Train has some fairly new carriages now but those used in the 1950s and 60s were great I thought. I saw the old royal train hauled by steam pass through Rugby after the Queen had opened the new Coventry Cathedral, I think it was 1962. I think the Queen's travels by train are not well publicized nowadays due to security. A sad statement how things have changed.
Yes it perhaps would not good to be in the Mr. Gatland's shoes if the Lions did beat the ABs. Hopefully the Toon can pick up three points against Fulham.
Many thanks for the link to the NZ class EF locomotives; I think that ‘international orange' suits the electrics well
NICK Great menu from our Head for the 200th page party. Those battered sausage, pie and savaloy with chips really brought back the memories a real staple diet when I had a change from the usual chicken & chips. It brought back a memory when chicken in a fish n chip shop was a rarity, the first time I came across it was in Tenby South Wales in the 1960s..
A piece of the old Somerset & Dorset that Survived if I am not mistaken.It is at Bournemouth West Depot on an open day the M7 tanks was giving rides on what I think was once the S&D track to the station. If you have more info it would be great
ERIC Congratulations on winning half of the 4,000th post competition guess half a night in the Penthouse Suite is a lot better than no night at all. I'll let you know where the secret switch to the security camera is.
Many thanks for that great and detailed link to Wyatt Earp. A great account of the gunfight at the OK Corral. That is very good advice from Henry Fonda at the start of the link about wishing he had listened more to the old person who had met Wyatt. I wonder if the novel mentioned ‘Little Big Man', was later made into a film starring Dustin Hoffman, which I though was a great film. It would be great to see your photos of Tombstone if you have them.
It was 01-01-01 when I took that photo of the roadrailer I think the train was heading for Chicago, I am afraid I can't recall if the roadrailer had been behind the train we had traveled on from Kansas City or was added at St Louis. Funny enough I did not mind the snow as it I had not seen that amount of snow in England for a long time and it sort of reminded me of the winters we used to get. I will tell you more at the rendezvous if you want.
Thanks for the photos, that bus you drove looks as though it had some character to it, not like the modern ones.
CM3 Great to see you in the ‘new' bar. As you say "lets keep it going"
TOM Thanks for opening the door to the new Our Place, it was great to talk to you today as well.
I enjoyed the ‘Walk the Line' film I though it was well done and of course the great music. The Ray Charles film is one we sadly missed as the bride really wanted to see it, I think it would be a good film to hire out and have a movie night.
Sorry about getting the bridges in Quebec mixed up.
It was the ‘Superliner' we had traveled from KC in even though it was my first experience of American railroads I though the roadrailer on a passenger train might be unusual.
Well LEON I see you settled in well with the new bar and the Bathams tastes the same so I'll have the Stake and Fries before making sure it is well stocked.
Pete.
Good evening Leon,nice to see you survived the transition,bit of a load of you ask me but whatever ( no one asked me )Two many days ( daze on top I guess )
As Tom had mentioned I was a tad busy, with Easter being the second Christmas, the easter bunny apparently brings bikes and nintendo systems now,oh well another holiday another sale. I thin Leon another a Gunniess and a round for those wishing one if not put the extra in the box to help fund the 4th anni party on the 12th.
Tom-Great to hear were on,I haven't responded to today's email yet but shall in due time Good to hear that you ahve survived the worst of the flooding, also good to hear that the wet in the basement isn't to the catastrophic.
Nice to see the Polar express layout again and nice to see the Quebec bridge article
I see that you got the homours of hitting number 4000 and being the last member to post fitting I'm not sure why the Inspector decided to add cameras to the shed,likely to keep tasb on all the explosions comming from within, and to amke sure that nothing there might "harm the tranquility of the mentor villiage"At least that's the oh-fish-ul party line.
Fergie-Glad to hear he dodged the storms,and that he's still with us occationally.I have seen the preliminary info on Ian's new book,if it's like the rest it will be a have to have I ahve one photo that you might find helpfull. I took this in 2005 in Northbay , it's part of the ONR's main shop service in North Bay
Pete-Congrats on turning the big 200. I guess the next contests will be who turns page ten and who makes post number 100.Some great photo's and always bang on comments and support for da bar 5x for your continuing and undying support.
Great shots of the Quebec bridge from your foray with Tom,I like those approch type shots.
Nice to see that Dan Nick and Allan all got a last lick in before the MKII bar closed down. I'm looking forward to the continued interaction with all of you
CM3-Ah yes figured that Shane would dive in and pick up on my what is a Classic musings. I think you hit it on the head. Likely in the great train museum there will be some example eventually from all the builders and from all the various generations of design. I aggree with you and Tom though the absolute beginng's of diesel design through to I feel about teh GP30/35 stage, so just before Alco's demise and GE's surge to the top was the finest hours and decades of deisel design.
Eric-Interesting shots of the Bus, the steering wheel looks awfully small somehow.To answer your question,CN wanted a streamlined easy and cheap to maintain locomotive roster. So after the early desilization rampage of the 1950's they decoided early on that to keep parts supplies and operating systems standard they would purge the minority power. All FM Baldwin and the liek type power was gone by the mid sixties. By the early 80's the 244 and the bulk of the 539 powered Alco swirtchers were gone. With MLW and Later Bombardier producing teh 251 series Alco locos the 251 powered locos stayed in service till the early 90's with some of teh last BBR power dssapearing in the early 2000's. Again second and third gen EMD power is the mainstay but GE is now getting more orders.I miss the good old days of RS10's and 18's and the various Alco and EMD cab units plying the rails, at least the GP9's are still going strong.
Leon set up another for me thank-you.
Rob
Okay Leon , some one drank that last Guinness so I think another one is now required.Sincewe were talking about what is and isn't classics ( kind of ) heers a few shots of still operating classics in my back yard. Most should enlarge quite nicley.
CP GP 9R's at the old TH&B Kineer yard atop the Niagara Escarpment.
CN GP9 RM 4117 Switching the Brantford Yard this past November, always one Geep is assigned to Brantford Yard.
Another GP 9RM at Brantford.
A CN GMD1 # 1431 one of the few left on the roster, this one inbound to Brantford yard with teh steel slab train. Sorry shots a bit blurry it was at night and it was moving.
A CP SW 1200RS at Kineer Yard
enjoy
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a number 5 special would be perfect in this new place! Keith's!
First I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter!!!
Only 55 days to the 3rd Annual Rendezvous!
Tom – Congratulations to posting the 4,000th reply! Allan was only 2 from the 4,000th though. Half of the prizes? Hmmm. All houses in the old country have a drainage line outside the wall at the floor level of the basement. Goes all the way around the basement. Considering all the rain and snow you have received lately I am not surprised that “they” are very busy. I think it was Wyatt who caused the WPP! CM3 – You are right about the Second Class boys. After they heard about Wyatt Earp they decided they wanted to practice, using their guns. Pete – Looking forward to hear more about the winters in England in May! Ahh, there is a secret switch to the security camera! I should have known that. I bet Manager Emeritus Lars had it installed. That bus (Scania) I used to drive was of the most common type in Sweden during the 60’s and 70’s. Very popular. I’ll look for my Tombstone pictures. Rob – I would say the steering wheel was a regular size steering wheel. With power steering there is no need for a big one. Thanks for the answer to my question. Interesting to see how CN tried to set a standard. I am sure they saved a lot of money that way.
Interesting photo!
Wow, Rob, you just sneaked in while I was adding my last comment! Nice photos of those CN and CP locomotives! Do all CN locomotives have that white and black striping on the sides?
Deutsche Bundesbahn, class 221,Travemünde, Germany, pushing a train to Lübeck and Hamburg. 1970.
Eric
Howdy hi there Eric, you made it in a bit earlier than normal which is a good thing.Neat shot of theat train in Germany,diesel or third rail electric interesting looking mosheen,looks a bit like the Kraus Mafffie,diesel hydrolics that were uesd on the SP.
Yes when CN standardized to a basically all EMD roster, they were able to get rid of the expensive pool of parts and speaciallty tools that the minority builders loco's needed to keep them running/ Also loco's like the Fairbank's Morse units that had the oposed piston engines needed more tlc shop time to keep them in their peek form.As it went teh Alco power was serviced out of Pointe Ste Charles in Montreal ( closer to the MLW / BMBR plant ) with the EMD
based in Winnipeg, Edmonton and Toronto.Today the GE's are servcied in Edmonton with the EMD's in the Peg and Toronto.
Here's another couple of classic units still in operations in Ontario.
EX TH&B NW2 #51 still maintained in it's original paint and number but owned and operated by the OSR in St Thomas Ontario.
A CN SW1200RS leased to Railink working in railinks Hamilton yard that serves the Hamilton steel Plants.
Morning folks. Guess I beat the bossman in so I'll ut on the coffee pots and fire up the cookers,Boris Copperkettle chop chop ( no Boris it's a figure of speach put the inflateable and the cleaver down )
Help yourselves to the pasteries and the "splashed coffee"I've just unloaded the wagon from the Mentor bakery,the Grundledinks have outdone themselves again.I imagine that Tom or Cindy will be around shortly so for now Copperkettles your man and Boris will happily spike your orange juice ( the closest we let him get to the bar is the juice fridge,and only then with the greatest amount of trepidation)Ah look the fair Cindy has arrived, back to the kitchen with you Copperkettle.
Cindy of apple of Tom's eye I would like a number three with all the fixin's and the high octane BK splash in the extra large thermos. As always a healthy tip for you and some extra for the box for later.A couple more classic photo's before I'm off to work.
One of OSR's ex CP rail RS18U's at St Thomas Ontario
An OSR RS23 switcher ( again ex CP rail ) at Guelph JCT Ontario.
One of CP's C424's switching just outside of London Ontario
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This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Same-ole place, same old-gang, same-ole idea - adults talking Classic Trains ‘n having some fun while doing it!
Saturday is upon us ‘n ‘round these parts there are many who have been displaced from their homes due to the flooding. There's never a good time for something like that . . . I vividly recall my involvement with the 1982 floods <Dec> when parts of this area were turned into nightmares with all kinds of severe weather followed by horrendous amounts of rising waters . . . not good. Let's offer some POSITIVE thoughts to those who need ‘em.
Coffee's freshly ground ‘n brewed, pastries freshly stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are ready to go! So, what's stoppin' ya
Comments from the Proprietor
EASTER Greetings to all!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - March 21st: <all times Central daylite>
Page 1 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 3:28 PM: Given the difference in time zones, bit o' confusion on the Forum <not our doing!> ‘n special day that it was <Good Friday> we're most happy to see our WVA Connection make the 1st Reply at the reborn-reborn bar! A drink of your choice on Moi!
Many thanx for the Email ‘n also the visit to "my other reborn Thread"!
Good to see some traditions keep on keeping on - quarters ‘n ROUND always looked forward to - as are your visits!
Page 1 - Pete <pwolfe> at 5:13 PM: That's a fine shot of the wall adornments back in the Rat's Patoot Room! Nicely done . . . that will earn ya a glass of your choosing!
I'm glad you called, for had your message not been on my answering Mo-Sheen, I'd have probably stayed away ‘til late afternoon. The way it worked out is we returned home a bit earlier than anticipated - then of course I got your message ‘n was able to "right the ship" in time for business to carry on. Thanx!
Should you ‘n Laura stay the nite when you visit next month, we can watch "Ray" . . . the library is always open!
I think I KNOW the cause of your recent tooth problem - yup! You're eating STAKE instead of STEAK. That will do it every time, Mate! <uh oh>
Thanx for the support over on "my other reborn Thread"!
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments ‘n of course appreciate the visit, foto ‘n ROUND!
Page 1 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:15 PM ‘n 11:31 PM ‘n 11:53 PM: A trifecta from our Manager ‘n Resident Ontario Connection!
Absolutely UN-BE-LEEEEEV-UH-BUL that Easter has turned into a gift-giving <or should we say "kid's bribe day"> to the tune of bicycles, electronic games, ‘n other expensive items to mollify the young A far cry from jelly beans <black ones are the best!> colored <coloured> eggs ‘n solid chocolate bunnies <the ears are my favorite!>. <bah humbug> <grumble> <mumble> And lest I forget - wonder how many have a clue regarding SIGNIFICANCE of the holiday Wonder if those who still attend services, dress up for the occasion - or has that also spiraled downward into the abyss of what once were rock solid traditions in the U.S. ‘n Canada <more grumbling>
Glad to see that you've made it back in fine fettle <wonder where that expression derived??> ‘n your contributions really helped make our new Page One a worthy one to read.
No, that WASN'T the Québec bridge in the foto - it was the Victoria Jubilee Bridge at Montreal taken aboard the Chaleur on our way back from Gaspé. Be verrrrrrry careful about ‘selective reading,' can cause the Fergie-syndrome. <grin>
That shot of North Bay reminds me to ask you, what's to do in North Bay I note that ONR makes a run there from TO <enroute Cochrane> ‘n wondered if a "turn around" would ‘work' in that area. Haven't a clue regarding accommodations - but figured you do.
Spate of five lookin' good - not to worry about the "blur," adds to the character of ‘em!
Also, that TH&B looks great in that livery ‘n also like the SW1200 - most durable of switchers.
Many thanx for the "drop in" over on "my other reborn Thread"!
Page 1 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:36 PM: So you found us, eh Can't hide from those Swedes - although some say we may have tried! Hmmmmm. <grin> We "chased away" three thus far . . . <uh oh>
Count-down to May is on as Rendezvous III approaches. Let's hope the weather is as good as we had for the last one!
Fine looking shot of that German passenger train - pushed, eh No matter - a fine looking loco in a decent setting.
Back to the leaking basement - I wouldn't doubt that if down to the foundation pad that there is a drainage system. But it's what has occurred over the years that may have changed the situation atop of it all. I'm going to begin digging next week - can't wait for the pros - this had to be taken care of. Now that the rains have ceased ‘n the surface water dissipated into the soil, the leak is less than a trickle - still moist, but no where as bad. Left a bad looking stain on that nice wall of mine. <ugh> Gonna see if I can match the color by taking a sample of the material to my local paint emporium <Home Depot or Lowes>. They do marvelous things with matching shades ‘n colors these days. Anyway, life goes on . . .
Don't know why - but I failed to tell you that I also enjoyed your link to the old west ‘n Wyatt Earp. Familiar with it all, but always enjoy a "refresher" . . . thanx!
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments ‘n appreciate the visit to the bar!
Saturday - March 22nd: <all times Cental daylite>
Page 1 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 8:31 PM: Glad I looked before Posting - caught your AM visit along with those fine fotos!
Appreciate the help in getting things going ‘round here - although my bet is we'll be rather quiet on this Saturday . . . guys should be attending to more important matters I would think - family being just one!
OSR livery as nice as TH&B . . .
Enjoy the day ‘n see ya later!
Reminder: Cindy has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Tom
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Sundry
Let us see now... I'll have... a "Alexander Kieth's ... Traditional Lager"
You do have it, Don't ya???
Yes Tom you now have another reason to come to "Good Old Halifax" A new beer in the offing. saying that it's not bad but it's not an IPA. Another reason to still come is the old Bud cars will still be in use until June.
So when shall I see ya?
Rob: thank you for the photo. Why I need photos is I am crunched for realestate and the only room I have for sand storage is very limited so I'm looking for ideas as to what the smaller sand bins looked like and their capacity... In other words "I'm getting complicated".
Anyway must run as the paper pile isn't getting smaller today. Darn! Captain's work is never done!
Later All
Fergie
Oh and speaking of "Fergie-Syndrome" Ahemm ahemm... I know it's been a rotten winter but playing with the dates isn't going to hurry Summer along there mate!
siberianmo wrote: G'day Gents! As determined by Kalmbach, the 2nd "old Thread" has been shut down <locked> and the new begins today, 21 Apr 2008.
As determined by Kalmbach, the 2nd "old Thread" has been shut down <locked> and the new begins today, 21 Apr 2008.
Have a festive albeit short Easter Holiday!
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Ahhhhh, I see our part-time irregular-irregular has graced the portals - our Canadian Maritime Mariner!
Page 1 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 10:30 AM:
Of course we stock ALL major brews of the world <but NO home or micro-brews>. Anyway, Keiths is right on top of the list!
Wish it were true what you said about VIA Rail 'n those wunnerful Budd cars. Ain't so, Mate - just ain't so. Here's the skinny, as I've been able to determine:
(1) There are 3 trainsets traveling the route six days a week <no departures on Tuesday>.
(2) One consist is Budd equipment, the other two are Renaissance.
(3) Nearly impossible to book a round-trip aboard the Budd cars when trying to arrange for a round-trip. When you try to make a booking on the VIA Rail web site - they do NOT show Budd equipment, just Renaissance.
Anyway, May is a busy, busy, busy month - into June as well. In early May Rob 'n I are traveling to ExpoRail from Brantford, ON. Then in mid-May we have Rendezvous III here in St. Louis. Following that, we are off to Oregon aboard Amtrak's Empire Builder - don't get back 'til early June.
By the by, T2000 NEVER responded to my inquiries. I sent THREE requests for help - zip, zero, zilch received in return. So, I'm dropping my support. Why in the world should I support any organization that is so ignorant 'n rude to the membership
You, Sir are way, way in deep, deep "kimshu" - best to get your posterior over to the recently secured Thread 'n do some catching up. Many guys have directed comments your way 'n I'd hate to think that you've fallen into "that" trap of being a "one-way" kinda guy. I know you're not.
Thanx for popping in 'n helping to keep us "alive" on the Forums . . .
Since we're now a "new" Thread <again x 2>, here's a spate of stuff to support our ENCORE! - and - Photo Posting Saturday . . .
Later <maybe>!
HAPPY EASTER TO ALL.
A bacon sarnie and a cup of your famous coffee please CINDY.
ROB Thanks for the kind words.
Yes it was a surprise to see the bar locked when I called in for a rare early morning visit yesterday. As you say it was good that Tom ‘s was the last post at the old bar and the 4,000th one at that. Real glad you are back in after the very busy time at work, although BORIS has been feeding the Mascots they and him were getting restless without the management, they know too many secrets about me for me to have any control over them.
Many thanks for the photos they do enlarge well. I do like the SW 1200 RS I think that it has a great front end. I would love to know what the Fairbanks Morse locomotives with opposed piston engines sounded like. The English Electric ‘Deltics' had two opposed piston engines to produce 3,300HP and were the first BR diesels capable of 100MPH. When standing still they made a deep rumbling sound and an indescribable sound when the locos were at speed.
I have been able to enlarge that photo of the Birmingham Corperation Trolley bus a bit.Were there many double deck trolley busses over here.
ERIC Are there many of those great Scania buses preserved after they were retired from services in Sweden.
Yes Lars had the camera switch fitted after the films from the Penthouse Suite found their way to Holland.
Yes it is quite a story about my flight over to Kansas City for my first visit to the United States.
Many thanks for the photo of the DB class 221 in 1970 it was a lot later when BR used diesels in push-pull mode on express trains. Was there much difference between the DB 221 and 200 classes on which the BR ‘Warship' Diesel- Hydraulics very much resembled.
FERGIE Glad you found the new bar.
Can we have some more details of the new beer.
TOM. As you say let us have some good thoughts for those poor folks who are suffering from those bad floods.
Glad you liked the new wall adornments, that is the pub we used to travel over 40 miles by train from Rugby to spend an evening and where we head for when we are visiting England. As well as being a Holden's house selling their range of beers it also serves Bathams Bitter.
Glad I was of help with the bar, it will be interesting to see how many views the 2nd Our Place gets, although it is closed.
The bride was saying if I have to come over with her, did I want dropping off at the Train Wreck at 10 am, I think she was joking. We will know more this weekend if we are able to come over on the Friday evening.
The presents the kids got in the UK at Easter were a chocolate egg, with a thin shell, that had candies inside.
Please take it easy with that digging.
Many thanks for the book covers liked the drumheads for the companies shown in the books. That is a great photo on the Streamliners cover and a very attractive Chicago & Great Western drumhead.
More photos from the Rainhill Cavalcade from 1980.
LMS Pacific No 6201 'Princess Elizabeth' built in 1933 she is carrying the 'Merseyside Express' headboard, a fast train between London and Liverpool. 6201 is hauling what looks to be an early LMS carriage.
Great Western Railway 4-6-0 Castle class No 5051 which was originally named Drysllwyn Castle the name was shortly changed to Earl Bathurst. The locos has carried both names in preservation days.
LMS class 5 4-6-0 No 5000 the first Crewe built engine from 1934, of a class that totaled 842 locomotives, although the first class 5 to appear was No 5020 from Vulcan Foundry.The class 5s could be seen all over the LMS system from Thurso in the far north of Scotland to Bournrmouth on the Joint LMS and Southern Railway owned Somerset and Dorset Railway. No 5000 was allocated to Rugby shed for a time. The lamp headcode shows a 'Through Frieght'
No 5000 was hauling a brake van and a replica of one of the Rainhill trialists Novelty and a narrow guage locomotive from the Welshpool & Llanfair Railway once part of the GWR, a 1902 Beyer Peacock locomotive.
LNER class V2 2-6-2 No 4771 Green Arrow built in 1936 the first of the class and only survivor of a class of 184 locomotives. The locomotive is pulling a BR Mk1 Griddle car.In the calavacade the locomotives returned to the Bold Colliery sidings, where they were stabled, hauling the preceding locomotive, in the cavalcade, car's.
LMS Jubilee class 5XP 4-6-0 of 1934 No 5690 Leander,hauling a later design LMS coach.
Southern Railway class V 4-4-0 introduced in 1930 No 925 Cheltenham.These locomotives were named after famous English Schools.
They should enlarge.
Well CINDY a pint of Holden's and a round please to celebate the arrival of the Mushy Peas.
I see Pete's been "in" . . . so may as well get right to it!
Page 1 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:14 PM: Some fine fotos w/descriptions on this Photo Posting Day at the Tavern by the Tracks from our Resident Brit in Mid-Missouri! Really enjoyed those "monster" steam locos - ya know, I'm getting "converted" . . . just the awesomeness of those Mo-Sheens with those huge drivers . . .
If you would, explain to me what a "cavalcade" is . . . also unfamiliar with the term, "lamp headcode." Thanx!
10 AM at the TrainWreck Not at all sure they'd be opened at that hour . . . but getting there is the most important part of it! Keep me posted, Mate . . .
Traveling 40 miles <one-way> aboard a train to visit a favorite pub is something I'd definitely DO! Can't think of a better or safer way to travel to 'n from . . . Hmmmmm, let's see - if we tried something like that with Amtrak, methinks we'd wind up on passing siding or three - be hours late on arrival, 'n probably find the pub closed by the time we got there! Gotta DO this is the UK!
No telling how many "hits" will accrue for "Our" Place II - we KNOW the original "Our" Place is still going strong with "hits." For an idea that hasn't won "favor," we seem to be doing quite well with QUALITY material in a structured enviornment <of sorts>. Never thought that the bar would still be 'round after nearly 3 years . . .
You may wish to note that I've amended the first Post on this Page to include the "roster" of REGULAR customers as of the Grand-re-re-Opening!
Thanx for the visit, conversation, fotos 'n ROUND!
A few more "goodies" for this Saturday . . .
Enjoy!
Emporium Theatre listings tomorrow . . . .
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon.
"A HAPPY EASTER TO ONE AND ALL"
Tom. Congratulations on making the 4,000th post before Bergie locked the old place up! Good to see you have opened a new chapter for us at our NEW "Our Place" so we can "keep on keeping on" as usual! Hope you and your bride are on the improve healthwise, and it sounds as if you are going to get on top of your basement water problem soon. Enjoyed all the nice colourful selection of covers and RR Heralds you posted.
Nick. Another tasty tempting menu from you once again, do`nt know where to start!
Eric. Could see better that your bus was right hand drive from the interior shot, interesting pics from the 50`s, a nice link to the Wyatt Earp write up, and a nice shot of the DBB Class 221.
Pete. Hooray, the Toon have WON at last, 2-0 against Fulham no less, Kevin Keegan can pass a sigh of relief now! Many thanks for the other set of Rainhill Cavalcade loco`s of 1980 and the Brom trolley bus pic. As you say they will probably not advertise the Royal Train movements these days, too much risk of a terrorist event taking place I suppose, times have certainly changed for the worse over in the UK since we left BITD! Glad you liked that NZ EF electric loco info on Wiki. Thanks for your e-mail with the great Mallard pic, just saw it in the mailbox, will reply ASAP!
CM3. Good to see you in at the new edition of "Our Place"
Fergie. How long are you be ashore this time? Suppose you`ll be working hard on your MESS RR?
Rob. Good to see you made it back, sounds as if you`ve been very busy over the Easter period selling those toys. The only thing that i`ve found about having a garage is that it is easy to fill it with a mower and other garden machinery, as well as numerous items of junk thats hard to get rid off, and leave precious little room for the CAR! Thanks for all the great loco and train pics as usual from you.
Mike. Nice to see your Staten Island pics on the other thread.
See ya, Allan
Hello Leon , I think a Keiths and a nice medium rare steak as well definatly with all the fixin's
Tom-Got the latest email and a response has been dispatched. Great bunch of old roads displayed by you today loved em all, accept did you have to post the pictrue of that barney Purple ACL unit
To answer your question , theer are quite a few good hotels and B&B's in North Bay, neat little city. At one point it was a major Norad facility ( closed down a few years ago ) a deep in mountian facilty like Cheyanne. There are several rail type things to see cruises on lake Nipissing all in all a neat little city. I imagine a turn around there wouldn't be to bad.
I love the OSR paint scheme it is the same colours as the old TH&B's. I suspect that there are a few ex TH&B people working for them as a lot of their trackage was former CP or TH&B spurs.
What can I say. On one hand the commersialization of the various holiday's keeps me employed on the other hand it just makes me sick.I'm too much of a traditionalist I suppose.
Eric-I see you edited last nights post and asked a question.A lot of CN locomotives did have the striped paint scheme, today most even the GP's have the simplified CNNA paint scheme minus the map of North America. No units are painted new in the Zebra stripes though I have heard rumours that they may start using it again.
Fergie-Isn't a first mates job to make sure that the captain paper work is finisheddelegate man delegate. How do you think I get so much done in the coarse of a dayI hope the photo helps, if you enlarge it you can see a little turntable tucked in behind it. They still sand the diesels with those steam area sand racks.
Pete-Thanks for isolating that trolley bus. I can't think of any double decker trolley buses over here,much like regular double deckers they weren't something that caught on. For that matter other than a short experament on Brooklyns street railway I can't think of double decked streetcars being used regularly over here as well. I'm sure that there were siome biut they were the exception as oppsosed to the rule.
I've never heard an FM alive and in person. I imagine the Deltics sound would be similar. I ahve heard people describe a FM Trainmaster( 2400hp of oposed pistons ) sounded like burbling gurgling thunder.
I've always liked the SW1200's both CN and CP rostered a ton of them. What made the CN and CP ones different than their US counterparts is that they were used as road engines and had road switcher trucks as opposed to straight low speed switcher trucks . In other words they had swing hangers and air suspension that the ridgid switch engine trucks lacked.I like the light housings on the CN and CP ones as well ( the eyebrows on the nose ) CN's differed in that they had eyebrows on both ends were as CP only mounted them on the front
Allan-I know what you mean about gagarges. I still want one though even though possesing one will become another "honey do" job Those Staten Island shots of Mikes were something wearn't they
Good eve... morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
An early breakfast, leon, this is the perfect time for some French Toast with powder sugar and syrup and a fat Cheese Danish!
I have spent an hour trying to get a picture to show up, but to no avail. It is there, but it isn't. I tried all the tricks in the book to make it show, but it refused. Enough said. I have some other photos instead.
Rob – Some classic diesels! I guess Ontario Southland Railway is a shortline. What railroad is the locomotive behind the CP’s loco in your third photo? It has a large G on the side. Thanks for the info on CN’s paint scheme!Tom – Chased away three Swedes? Hmmm, I am one of those old, grumpy and very stubborn ones so that won’t be easy. I think the weather will be perfect in May in your area! Sunshine and 80ËšF!! Hope you will get a dry spring so you can fix the leak. I hope you noticed that Wyatt Earp indeed was part Irish! Interesting books and drumheads. Streamliners look like a book I would like to have in my bookcase. And Nickel Plate Road, Passenger Service The Postwar Years is also interesting.Fergie – Getting complicated? That sounds interesting! Hope you will show us a picture of your sand storage solution when it is done.Pete – Here is a link to Rochester & Genesee Valley Railroad Museum’s locomootive United States Army #1843, Fairbanks-Morse H12-44. If you go down to More Interesting Stuff you can click on Listen to USA 1843 Running and you have two different recordings to listen to.http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/usa1843/index.htmQuite a few of those Scania buses have been preserved. The films from the Penthouse Suite ended up in Holland? No wonder if Manager Emeritus Lars had that switch installed. I don’t know what the difference is between class 200 and class 221. They are diesel-hydraulics, yes. They look basically the same on the outside. Thanks for the photos from the Rainhill Cavalcade! I noticed on the picture of the Green Arrow there are two copper pipes leading from the cylinder to the front. Do you know the reason for that?Allan – Isn’t that what garages are for? Filling them with all kinds of junk? The car can be parked in the street or the driveway.
A few photos.
C&NW GP50 #5061 haulinga freight train.
Same train. Left hand traffic on C&NW!
Same bridge.
A poor photo of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy #3006. The 78" drivers can not even be seen beacuse of the fence and a poor angle. Galesburg, IL.
"Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays!
Happy Easter to our customers ‘n families!
It's SNOWING rather hard right now in mid-continent USA on this Easter Sunday morning. To think that we had 70 (F) temps on Friday - yesterday was in the lo-40s ‘n now we're getting SNOW. Guess that's why we have "snow shoe" rabbits, eh <yuck> <yuck>
Woe is to those fighting the floods ‘round these parts . . . <sad>
Just a few comments to those who stopped by after my last Post . . .
Saturday - March 22nd: <all times Central daylite>
Page 1 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:25 PM: I'm still in the grasp of the grip, whereas the bride seems to be doing much better - she did have to remain home for 2 days <which Juneau thoroughly enjoyed> but now is operating on half the cylinders as opposed to none. Whatever this is - it's relentless. <arrrrrggggghhhhh>
Ahhh, yes - please don't forget to ship me an Email when you mail the RR Book Relay 2007-08! Gotta keep track of it . . . thanx!
Can-Am Trainroom may have taken a "hit," but the layout ‘n wall mounted displays are all in fine shape. Spent a couple of hours cleaning track, yesterday. Gotta keep things ready to roll. Not much progress with the subway system though, as health issues have really taken a toll on my free time ‘n ability to crawl ‘round ‘neath the layout. Just a bit at a time . . . that's the best I can hope for at this point.
Many thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 1 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:50 AM: Really didn't expect you again, but there you were!
Perhaps we should begin thinking about a "fall back" itinerary should the weather conditions turn sour for our ExpoRail trip . . . That's kinda what was behind my thoughts regarding North Bay. Thanx for the info . . . I'll send you my thoughts via Email - which by the way, yours was received.
Glad to know there's at least ONE younger person left in North America who feels the way I do about the traditions of "back in the day." It's just that those who are always on the fringe of things stand out moreso than those who uphold what's important. I could go on with this - but won't. <phew>
When speaking of the paint schemes of trains, I'm still very much enamored with the old Canadian Pacific <script> maroon ‘n grey with those great beaver heralds. One of my favorites, fer sure, fer sure!
Enjoyed eavesdropping your Post ‘n appreciate your taking the time ‘n making the effort after a long day at work to swing by the Bar by the Ballast!
Sunday - April 23rd: <all times Central daylite>
Page 1 - Eric <EricX2000> at 3:21 AM: What in the world were you DOING up at that unseemly hour <geesh> WHO do you think was up ‘n about the decks ‘round here then You probably frightened away the Easter Bunny with your visit. <triple geesh>
Our Resident NOCTURAL Desert RETIRED Swede stopped by with all sorts of comments.
Yeah, I did note the reference to Irish heritage for Mr. Earp . . . I still think he was Swedish, or perhaps German! <ja wol>
That's quite a RR bridge in your spate of fotos . . . wouldn't feel that "comfortable" crossing one of those. <yikes>
Surely you recall the "flap" begun by Wolfman over those Penthouse Suite films being shipped to Europe. C'mon, Mate - "they" say memory is the 2nd thing to go! <uh oh>
Still rather perplexed over losing some of your countrymen - only 1 had the good manners to let us know, whereas the other two just slipped away - with one still active ‘round the Forums. Gotta wonder . . . but not too much, have more important things on my mind than THAT! <geesh>
Aprpeciate the link, visit <well perhaps not the HOUR> ‘n chat!
An Easter gift!
Emporium Theatre listings later today . . . .
"Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . March 23rd thru 29th: Behind Enemy Lines (2001) Starring: Joaquim de Almeida, Gene Hackman, Olek Krupa, David Keith & Vladimir Mashkov - and - ENCORE PRESENTATION of Bull Durham (1988) Starring: Kevin Costner, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Trey Wilson & Robert Wuhl. SHORT: The Three Stooges - The Three Troubledoers (1946).
<Note: Bull Durham first shown on Sunday March 26th thru April 1st, 2006>
Behind Enemy Lines (2001)
PLOT SUMMARY: Smart casting and sensible plotting make Behind Enemy Lines an above-average military thriller. Perfectly timed to bolster patriotism, the film is partly set (during a hypothetical "day after tomorrow") on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Carl Vinson, which was on alert status in the Persian Gulf when this film was released. Proving his versatility as an unconventional movie star, Owen Wilson plays a navy navigator who is shot down over Bosnia during a reconnaissance mission. Pursued by rebel Serbian forces, Wilson must fight for survival while his commanding officer (Gene Hackman) plots a daredevil rescue. After a successful career in TV commercials, Irish director John Moore makes a promising feature debut on Slovakian locations, borrowing a few techniques from Saving Private Ryan while adding impressive flourishes of his own. The gung-ho ending's a foregone conclusion, but it works like a charm after the movie's exciting game of cat and mouse. --Jeff Shannon
Smart casting and sensible plotting make Behind Enemy Lines an above-average military thriller. Perfectly timed to bolster patriotism, the film is partly set (during a hypothetical "day after tomorrow") on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Carl Vinson, which was on alert status in the Persian Gulf when this film was released. Proving his versatility as an unconventional movie star, Owen Wilson plays a navy navigator who is shot down over Bosnia during a reconnaissance mission. Pursued by rebel Serbian forces, Wilson must fight for survival while his commanding officer (Gene Hackman) plots a daredevil rescue. After a successful career in TV commercials, Irish director John Moore makes a promising feature debut on Slovakian locations, borrowing a few techniques from Saving Private Ryan while adding impressive flourishes of his own. The gung-ho ending's a foregone conclusion, but it works like a charm after the movie's exciting game of cat and mouse. --Jeff Shannon
<from: amazon.com>
Bull Durham (1988)
PLOT SUMMARY: Bull Durham is a 1988 American movie about love and baseball. It is based upon the minor league experiences of writer/director Ron Shelton and depicts the players and fans of the Durham Bulls, a minor league baseball team in Durham, North Carolina. Kevin Costner stars as "Crash" Davis, a veteran catcher brought in to teach rookie pitcher Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh (Tim Robbins) about the game in preparation for reaching the Major Leagues while baseball groupie Annie Savoy (Susan Sarandon) romances "Nuke" but finds herself increasingly attracted to "Crash." Also featured are Robert Wuhl and Max Patkin, the "Clown Prince of Baseball." Baseball movies were not considered a viable commercial prospect at the time and every studio passed except for Orion Pictures who gave him a USD $9 million budget (with many cast members accepting lower than usual salaries because of the material), an eight-week shooting schedule and creative freedom.The film is a commercial success, grossing over $50 million in North America, well above its estimated budget, and a critical success as well. It currently has a rating of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes (100% for their "Cream of the Crop" designation). Bull Durham is ranked number 55 on Bravo's "100 Funniest Movies." It is also ranked #97 on the American Film Institute's "100 Years...100 Laughs" list, and #1 on Rotten Tomatoes' list of the 53 best reviewed sports movies of all time.
Bull Durham is a 1988 American movie about love and baseball. It is based upon the minor league experiences of writer/director Ron Shelton and depicts the players and fans of the Durham Bulls, a minor league baseball team in Durham, North Carolina. Kevin Costner stars as "Crash" Davis, a veteran catcher brought in to teach rookie pitcher Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh (Tim Robbins) about the game in preparation for reaching the Major Leagues while baseball groupie Annie Savoy (Susan Sarandon) romances "Nuke" but finds herself increasingly attracted to "Crash." Also featured are Robert Wuhl and Max Patkin, the "Clown Prince of Baseball." Baseball movies were not considered a viable commercial prospect at the time and every studio passed except for Orion Pictures who gave him a USD $9 million budget (with many cast members accepting lower than usual salaries because of the material), an eight-week shooting schedule and creative freedom.The film is a commercial success, grossing over $50 million in North America, well above its estimated budget, and a critical success as well. It currently has a rating of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes (100% for their "Cream of the Crop" designation). Bull Durham is ranked number 55 on Bravo's "100 Funniest Movies." It is also ranked #97 on the American Film Institute's "100 Years...100 Laughs" list, and #1 on Rotten Tomatoes' list of the 53 best reviewed sports movies of all time.
The film is a commercial success, grossing over $50 million in North America, well above its estimated budget, and a critical success as well. It currently has a rating of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes (100% for their "Cream of the Crop" designation). Bull Durham is ranked number 55 on Bravo's "100 Funniest Movies." It is also ranked #97 on the American Film Institute's "100 Years...100 Laughs" list, and #1 on Rotten Tomatoes' list of the 53 best reviewed sports movies of all time.
<from: wikipedia.com>
SHORT: The Three Stooges - The Three Troubledoers (1946)
PLOT SUMMARY: Set in the Western town of Dead Man's Gulch, The Stooges learn the last 6 sheriffs were killed by the villainous Badlands Blackie. He has kidnapped the father of a woman named Nell and Blackie threatens to kill her father unless Nell marries him. Curly becomes the new sheriff, thwarts Blackie and saves Nell's father.
Set in the Western town of Dead Man's Gulch, The Stooges learn the last 6 sheriffs were killed by the villainous Badlands Blackie. He has kidnapped the father of a woman named Nell and Blackie threatens to kill her father unless Nell marries him. Curly becomes the new sheriff, thwarts Blackie and saves Nell's father.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the holiday weekend! Tom
Good evening just in to clean up the weeks paperwork.Looks as though I'll have to loose the good inspector to track down those missing films <uh oh > may even use H&H as some back up muscle for him < triple uh oh > Our desert Swede may have to lie low.
Eric-Great photo's. I've always liked the C&NW paint scheme and the interesting little details their diesels always had.The GP50's were bought new which was unique for the C&NW a road known for it's frugalness and eye for bargin used loco's.Great bridge, there are lots of bridges like that over what seem to be minor streams in Western Canada, minor accept when the spring thaws swell those little streams into roaring rivers.
That engine with the G is a Guilford transportation engine off the Delaware and Hudson,CP had just bought the D&H from Guilford when I took that photo and it wasn't all that unusual for Guilford to lease their extra motive power out to other railroads.
Tom-A happy bonus of book covers from the bookmobile this morning I'll keep an eye out for the email.ONR is a could do so we'll chat some more great movie selections as well,bombs an baseball good combination for this week.
Good to hear that you guys are on the mend,amazing how the women in our lives can recharge and heal so much faster than us. The weaker sex indeed
I'm glad to hear that the trainroom has survived the onslaught of the spring thaw / floods, the heart goes out to those being more heavily struck by the weather, the new fresh snow isn't such a good thing on top of it all either.
Couple bonus Sunday photo's for one and all.
A rare GMD 1 still running in 2003 seen switching in Toronto
The only remaining wooden TH&B caboose restored and displayed coupled to Consolidation 103 at the Westerfield Pioneer Villiage.
The TH&B Jerseyville Station moved to the Westerfield Pioneer Villiage and used as a tie in for 103 and it's caboose.
A smile to begin the week!
The voice on the other end said, "I hope I didn't wake you." The reply: "Nah, I had to get up to answer the phone anyway."
<A Yogi-ism!>
Monday has rolled ‘round once again ‘n it's time to jump start the work week <for many> with a mugga Joe, a pastry or three from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n of course an order for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
Am rather heartfelt to note the fine turn-out on our Page One of "Our" Place III . . . majority of the "core" came thru ‘n if that continues, we'll do just fine for as long as we have fair winds ‘n following seas . . .
For the guys who have problems keeping up with the material <we're only 6!> think of it this way - we've only just begun on PAGE ONE! How hard is THAT to review Here's HOW: Scroll up to the top of this Page - then scroll down - slooooooooooooowly. Simple, eh
The idea is to KNOW what's going on at the Saloon by the Siding ‘n that requires a bit of effort.
Page 1 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:31 PM: That's a most interesting loco - CN's GMD1 - don't recall seeing her before. <sweet>
The snow we had on Easter Sunday was very, very odd. Temps reached 41 (F) yet it snowed - at times rather hard with huge flakes. But the stuff melted almost as quickly as it hit the ground. No accumulation. My guess is we wudda had several inches had the temps been lower - but not to be. Perhaps a blessing for those shoulder-deep in flood waters. <ugh> Major receding taking place now but it will be awhile before many people can get back into their homes . . .
Liked the fotos of that station! Nice to see that someone gave a Rat's Patoot to preserve the loco-tender, caboose ‘n station . . .
The saga of those missing films was SOLVED some time back - Wolfman retrieved them ‘n all's well. Films were incinerated . . . <uh oh>
Appreciate the Sunday nite visit - all helps to keep things movin' forward, eh
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please ; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We celebrated Easter with rain, sleet, and snow. Car was like an ice cube this morning - took a lot of scraping. Look as though we are off to a good start with the "new" thread - think of it as a Mark III version.
Yogi-ism for the day "That place is so poular nobody goes there any more."
Pete stopped by with comments and some fine pictures. LMS always gets me going!
Allan visited - good to hear from you.
Eric was in with comments and a DB picture - was that a push-pull operation?
Fergie visited as well - working on the layout again?
Rob sent a long a nice collection of pictures. I recall seeing the remains of some CP FM power in the early 70s out in the graveyard behind an engine facility - I'll have to go back through the slides as I cannot remember where it was. This part of WV was prime Trainmaster territory on the Virginian. FMs were noisy, indeed, but it was a "smooth" sound unlike an Alco. New Haven had some C Liners which I remember seeing up close and personal on different passenger trains. They were in the green and gold color scheme although pretty well faded by that time. I defer my comments re commercialism as OSP said it all!
OSP was by with all kinds of book covers and notes. Corn Belt Route is a good one and the Maine Central book is a keeper (got that one!) Nice picture of the EMD demo. unit. I have note seen "Behind Enemy Lines," but "Bull Durham" is one of the best baseball pictures ever made; bus ride scenes brought back a lot of memories. One of my favorite pieces if dialog occurs after an opposing batter hits a looong ball off of Nuke.
Crash: "Geez, he really hit the !@#$ out of that one didn't he? Right over the bull! Something hit that far ought to have a stewardess on it, don't you think?"
Nuke: "He hit it like he knew it was coming."
Crash (walking back toward home plate): "He did."
One other:
Crash to Nuke: "There's eight other guys out there - throw some ground balls - strikeouts are fascist!"
Following is a real one from one my coaches long ago. I can tell this one because I was not a pitcher. We're all standing out at the mound waiting for him to get there and very glad that we are not the focus of his anger.
Coach to Pitcher: "You think too much!" "Don' think, just throw the ball."
I am so ready for Opening Day.
Work safe
A Bathams please Ruth.
TOM Glad you are enjoying the British steam locomotives in the photos, I am getting a growing admiration of the size and the sheer power of the North American steam locomotives as well as the style and character of the early diesels classes.
I had look at Cavalcade and it means a procession originally of horses and horse drawn vehicles, I think the first procession of locomotives at the Stockton & Darlington celebration used the word and it carried on from there. I believe the word ‘motorcade' came from cavalcade.
Yes it was a good trip out to the Great Western pub in Wolverhampton, about a 10 minute walk from the station. In the early evening or late Saturday afternoon the trip involved a change of train at Birmingham, but the return was a train to London that stopped at Rugby. The time of this train varied over the years between 9:15 pm and 10:45 pm.
Yes a great first page at the new bar,I noticed you had put a list of the regulars in your first post at the ‘new' bar and with the Irregular Regulars we have a very fine group indeed I think.
Many thanks for the Books covers and the railroad logos for the railroads featured. They are all great covers; I think my favorite is that great painting on the Nickel Plate Road one.
Two more great films on at the Emporium this week. Behind Enemy Lines sounds a good story line and with Gene Hackman it is almost certainly guaranteed to be good, and Bull Durham is a film I can watch over and over again. Then the Stooges in the Wild West.
I am answering your question on the headcodes,I will find a few pics and post it soon.
ALLAN Glad the e-mail arrived OK and I thought you might enjoy the photo, it is a shame there was not the quality of colour film and cameras in the 1930s thatwe have today can you imagine the great photos that would be around of the British streamliners in their heyday
Hopefully now with that good and much needed win under their belts the Toon can finish the season with a good run.
Thanks for the kind words on my photos. Did Newcastle have a large Tram system around the city; I guess with the good electrified railway system north of the Tyne there was not a need for trams in that area.
I see England is doing well in the final test against the Kiwis.
ROB From what I know I think the single deck Streetcars were in the big minority certainly in the cities that had streetcars in the UK. I can still recall seeing Trolleybuses in the Walsall and Wolverhampton areas of the West Midlands of England when I was a lot younger; I think they were among the last trolleybuses in use in Britain.
I have had a listen to the FM loco in the link from Eric and there is a similarity at times to the sound of a Deltic. Did the 2,400HP FM have a single engine or two do you know I bet a single 2,400 HP opposed piston engine would sound different. The ‘Burbling, Gurgling Thunder is a perfect description of the sound of a Deltic at rest.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pds6WHUfks8&feature=related
I found this clip from u-tube of a Deltic in action. I think she is running on just one engine but it is a good sound.
Thanks for the details on the CN and CP Sw1200s and the bonus Sunday photos, the GMD 1 does look an interesting locomotive..
A little while ago I was talking about the class 92 electric locomotives on BR I have found a couple of photos of them.
A class 92 at Birmingham International station on a frieght with an older class 86 electric in the far platform.
92018 Stendhal at Rugby, the pick ups for the 3rd rail 750V system can be seen on the bogies. The 92s were named after famous European Composers and Authors.
ERIC Many thanks for the great link to the Rochester & Genesee Railroad Museum's web-site. The locomotive sounds came through well.
As Tom said, the tapes did get to Holland but they remained unseen as Lars got Vito The Hit involved, prompting their safe return to the bar.
I may be mistaken but I seem to remember reading about a Diesel-Electric version of the DB locos that looked very similar to the 200 and 221 classes running on another European railway.
The copper pipes coming from Green Arrow's cylinders are from the cylinder drain taps. These are operated with a lever in the locomotive's cab, by the driver, to release any water in the cylinders when the locomotive is started up from standstill or after a period of coasting until the driver thinks that any water in the cylinders is released. Failure to do this can cause bent connecting rods and even the whole front of the cylinder casing being blown out.
Ex LNER class B1 no 61264 is being prepared with the cylinder drains slighly open.l
Many thanks for the photos. I think that is still a good photo of CB&Q # 3006. 6'6" is a good size for driving wheels, I wonder what was the largest size of driving wheels was on a modern steam locomotive in North America.
CM3 Thanks for the kind words on the photos Yes I think I was fortunate living with the ex LMS West Coast Main Line running through my home town when nearly all the trains were steam hauled. With a bit of luck the two preserved rebuilt Royal Scot class should be back in steam this year.
Although not growing up with baseball I have to admit Bull Durham is one of my favorite films, I have seen it quite a few times now and although I know what is coming it is great to see the favorite parts of the movie again.
Well RUTH a round please .
Very good to see CM3 Shane "in" this AM and a surprise from Wolfman Pete with an EARLY PM Post! Both appreciated - but having someone come thru in early PM on a Monday is the kind of HELP I've hoped for 'round here for a loooooooooong time.
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Heralds - Drumheads - Ads - Covers ‘n Stuff #1
Pennyslyvania Railroad
The Pennsylvania Railroad (AAR reporting marks PRR) was an American railroad, founded in 1846. Commonly referred to as the "Pennsy", the PRR was headquartered in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
The PRR was the largest railroad by traffic and revenue in the US throughout its 20th-century existence and was at one time the largest publicly traded corporation in the world. At its peak, it controlled about 10,000 miles (16,000 km) of rail line. During its history, the PRR merged with or had an interest in at least 800 other rail lines and companies The PRR corporation still holds the record for the longest continuous dividend history: it paid out annual dividends to shareholders for more than 100 years in a row. For many years the President of the PRR was considered more powerful than the President of the United States. The budget for the PRR was larger than that of the U.S. government and they employed approximately 250,000 workers.
In 1968, the Pennsylvania Railroad merged with their rival the New York Central railroad to form Penn Central Transportation. The ICC required that the ailing New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad be added in 1969. A series of events including inflation, poor management, abnormally harsh weather and the withdrawal of a government-guaranteed 200-million-dollar operating loan forced the Penn Central to file for bankruptcy protection on June 21, 1970. The Penn Central raillines were then divided between Conrail and Amtrak.
The Pennsylvania Railroad's corporate symbol was the keystone, which is Pennsylvania's state symbol, with the letters PRR intertwined inside. When colored, it was bright red with silver-grey molding and lettering. <from: wikipedia.com>
New York Central System
The New York Central Railroad (AAR reporting marks NYC), known simply as the New York Central in its publicity, was a railroad operating in the Northeastern United States. Headquartered in New York, the railroad served most of the Northeast, including extensive trackage in the states of New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and Massachusetts, plus additional trackage in the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Québec. Its primary connections included Chicago and Boston. The NYC's Grand Central Terminal in New York City is one of its best known extant landmarks.
In 1968 the NYC merged with its former rival, the Pennsylvania Railroad, to form Penn Central (the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad joined in 1969). That company soon went bankrupt and was taken over by the federal government and merged into Conrail in 1976. Conrail was broken up in 1998, and much of its system was transferred to the newly-formed New York Central Lines LLC, a subsidiary of CSX. That company's lines include the original New York Central main line, but outside that area it includes lines that were never part of the NYC system.
The famous Water Level Route of the NYC, from New York City to upstate New York, was the first four-track long-distance railroad in the world. <from: wikipedia.com>
New Haven Railroad
The New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad (AAR reporting marks NH) was a railroad that operated in the northeast United States from 1872 to 1969. Commonly referred to as the New Haven, the railroad served the states of Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts. Its primary connections included Boston and New York.
It owned a main line from New York City to Springfield, Massachusetts via New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut, and leased other lines, including the Shore Line Railway to New London. The New Haven went on to lease more lines and systems, eventually forming a virtual monopoly in New England south of the Boston and Albany Railroad.
In 1954 the flashy Patrick B. McGinnis led a proxy fight against incumbent president Frederic C. "Buck" Dumaine Jr., vowing to return more of the company's profit to shareholders. McGinnis accomplished this by deferring maintenance. McGinnis also spent money on a flashy new image for the company - green and gold trim was replaced by black, red-orange and white. When he departed, 22 months later, he left the company financially wrecked, a situation exacerbated by widespread hurricane damage in 1955. In 1959, the New Haven discontinued passenger service on the Old Colony network in southeastern Massachusetts. Despite this and other cutbacks, the New Haven once again went into bankruptcy on July 2, 1961.
At the insistence of the ICC, the New Haven was merged with Penn Central on January 1, 1969, ending rail operations by the corporation. The corporate entity would remain in existence throughout the 1970s as the Trustee of the Estate pursued just payment from PennCentral for the New Haven's assets.
Following the bankruptcy of Penn Central, in 1976 a substantial portion of the former New Haven main line between New York and Boston was transferred to Amtrak, and now forms a major portion of the electrified Northeast Corridor, hosting high speed Acela Express and commuter rail service. <from: Wikipedia.com>
Good evening Leon, I think a nice cold Keith's tonight for me sir. I had a devil of a time logging in this morning before I went to work so I'm posting evening only
Hey guys remember that since april 12th is the big day we all want to try to be front and centre that day.Lets all try to track down at least one former member and invite them back for that day. Who knows some of them may even stay on for a bit.At any rate the more the merrier.
Tom-It was indeed good to see basically everyone jumop back in with teh proverbial two feet for page one,shows that the corps gives a rat's patoot which is always encouraging.I'm glad to see that on the news the flood waters are starting to receed,hopefully the displaced people will be back home sooner as opposed to later and that help is faster comming than was for N'orleans.
Liked the something new. You hit on three roads that will always spawn a few remarks. I'm sure Shane will have some anecdotes for us tomorrow. No Boris he's not going to sing and dance with a red wig on ( I hope )Why don't you go treat the critters, oh and AWK needs a new birdcage linner All three of those roads had some great passeneger power and trains,great first picks sir.
Glad you liked the GMD1. That photo shows the rebuilt and modernized version with BB as opposed to the as built A1A trucks, they still make good transfer engines and are good low speed draggers but their 1000hp limits them in road use.Still the 50+ that were sold to Cuba are apparently going strong.
Interesting shot of the EMD demonstrator one of the first FT's
Shane-Ah a luckey man to have seen the C-liners in their element doing what they needed to do.CP ran their FM's the longest of all the class ones, not retiring the last until 1973 !CP grouped them together the Trainmasters went to Montreal for transfer service between yards. The St Luc shops housed them and maintained them, and later it was the home to the last of CP's alco's as well. The H16-44's and C-liners were concentrated in BC on the Kettle Valley where they were used for the P&P industry and for the copper and nickel smelters. Two C-liner A's and One H16-44 are stored in Calgary at the Ogden shops as part of the CP Historic collection,a working C-liner 1600hp primemover is there as well and the talk is that eventually one of the A units will be brought back to life along the lines of the 2816.
Pete-Thanks for the u-tube link that was a great video.The sounds of that Deltic were alot like the FM clips I've heard.There is another couple u-tube video's of one of the IRM's FM's operating which produces similar sounds.Most of the FM units were single engined. They used 8,12,16 and 20 cylinder engines.They did build a few double engined centre cab transfer engines,power produced was anywhere from 1000-2400 hp as well
Hey Leon, I'm back again for a top up, thanks Well since Tom started us off with a new series here in the new MKIII bar,it's only fair to support him with a couple pictures that tie in.
Leon, a meatloaf sandwich, please! Yes, Keith's. Cold!
A beautiful, but busy day. Thought I would be able to stop by much earlier, but it didn't work out that way.
Tom – No, the Easter Bunny just said Hi and was happy to have some company! Wyatt Earp German? Jawohl, mein herr! But I doubt it.
Yeah, I remember Wolfman and the films he sent to Europe. I think he made some extra money on them. Well, he deserves it!That high bridge is the Kate Shelley bridge near Boone, IA. The bridge is more than 107 years old and will be replaced by a new bridge (Boone High Bridge) in October this year. A video of UP #844 crossing the bridge and meeting a freight train on the link below. The video is shot at a great distance though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQa-HL90Kqg&feature=relatedInteresting books. Wish I had them all! Good movies this week, Behind Enemy Lines and Bull Durham!Interesting facts! The budget of PRR was larger than that of the U.S. government!!?! Rob – As I mentioned to Tom, the bridge is called Kate Shelley bridge and is located close to Boone, IA, crossing the Des Moines River. It will be replaced by a new bridge this fall. Nice photos! I bet all GMD 1’s are out of service today. Very nice station building, Jerseyville Station! Did you take the photos of PRR’s #4483 at The Western New York Railway Historic Society of Buffalo? I found some info on that locomotive on this link:http://www.steamlocomotive.info/F61999.cfmCM3 – Mark III version, that sounds nice! At least I can tell I didn’t have to scrape any ice this morning, I think the high reached 88Ëš today. Pete – I tried to find out some info on the German diesel-electric locomotive, but the only one I found was class 234. I am quite certain there are more info to be found though. A photo of class 234 can be seen on this link:http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/diesel/234/verkehrsrot/060706-27.jpgI thought those copper pipes came from the cylinder drain taps, but I didn’t understand why the pipes? Is it to avoid spraying people on the side of the track? Thanks for the photo!Now I remember what German built diesel-electric loco you are read about. It was the loco in Belgium (I believe) that was hauling a train Alan was riding. I don’t remember any details, but I am quite sure it was a blue locomotive. The largest drivers on American steam locomotives I know of have a diameter of 88”. Like Milwaukee’s 4-4-2 Hiawatha.
Finally some photos. Boone, IA. Made in China.
Tuesday 'n you know the drill - coffee, pastries 'n breakfasts are all ready!
Monday - March 24th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:43 AM: Turned the Page ‘n who should appear but our Resident WVA Connection - Shane!
Got a kick out of those quotes from Bull Durham. <grin> I recall so many - of course all too racy for this Forum . . . but funny nonetheless. Yes, went to the movies ‘n a baseball game broke out . . .
Opening day here is March 31st against the Rockies ‘n who knows WHAT the field conditions will be . . . BUT there will be 9 against 9 ‘n I'm looking forward to it as well. Gonna be a far different Red Birds team than we've seen ‘round here, but my guess is Tony will have ‘em competitive ‘n that's everything as far as I'm concerned. With so many teams, only 2 get to the World Series. So the next best in the bragging rights business is to say that your team was competitive right ‘til the final swing of the bat.
Many thanx for the visit, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 12:53 PM: Our Bar Chandler arrived much earlier this Monday afternoon than his track record will show . . . <hooray for Wolfman!>
Was hoping that at least one of our dwindling numbers of regulars would remember that Mondays are in need of help - especially from at least ONE guy who has been "off" for a couple of days. We're only SIX regulars <counting Moi> - ‘n I wouldn't be "counting" on any of the irregulars - we can't. That's why they are called IRREGULARS!
Cavalcade explanation makes sense - thanx!
Interesting sound track on that Deltic . . . amazing what the technology of the day brings right to the screen, eh Pick a subject - pick an image - pick a tune, it's all there.
Those class 92s aren't bad to look at - BUT can't hold a candle to that great looking class B1 steamer <double wow>!
Visit, chat, fotos, link ‘n ROUND most appreciated!
Page 2 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 7:53 PM ‘n 8:08 PM: Seems that the Forum's Gremlins are still "at it" - Eric recently mentioned some difficulties with Pix-Posting ‘n you've had some log-in dilemmas - ‘n the beat goes on!
Good insights on those GMD1s . . . a loco that perhaps is already a CLASSIC, eh I'd say so!
Magnitude of the floods ‘round here is nothing like the wide-spread destruction experienced during Katrina. I'm NOT in the "bash the government" camp when it comes to the assistance rendered during that <'n so many other natural disasters>. Guess that's because I've been involved in enough rescue efforts to where I appreciate what it takes to do those kinds of things . . . but back to the point at hand: Midwest floods are NOTHING like Katrina. Victims - yes - they all have the same type problems once the place you call home is beneath the water . . . that's the only similarity as I see it.
Always boggles my mind when some think that there should be a ‘rescuer' for each potential victim. Just doesn't work that way . . . Why in the world would one deliberately send resources into the eye of the storm Seems to be a recipe for making MORE victims. Yet to this day we still hear that kind of thing being shouted by the less than knowledgeable . . . <geesh> See what you started!!?!?
Thanx for the "plug" for our 3rd Anniversary . . . April 12th falls on a Saturday, so as Lars put it - there's really no excuse for not showing up during the daytime. We'll see . . . I'd be happy with just the regulars making an effort to "party hearty"! The six of us could easily do that . . .
Pennsy foto spate fit in well for the day's work! Must say that the deteriorating condition of that tender brings a tear to the eye . . .
Email sent on Monday morning . . .
Enjoyed eavesdropping your Post ‘n appreciate the visit ‘n ROUND!
Tuesday - March 25th: <all times Central daylite>
Page 2 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:52 AM: Another early <or late> visit from our Resident NOCTURNAL Desert RETIRED Swede!
Some fine bridge info - still wouldn't feel that "comfortable" crossing it!
That loco may have been made in China but it is unmistakenly North American in design . . . don't like the"adornments" - makes it look "cheesy." Good "fire box" shot . . .
Links, fotos, info ‘n good eavesdropping . . . thanx for the visit!
Morning Ruth, just a quick number three and a BK blast thermos please then I must be off ( the punch clock beckons )
Tom- didn't mean to set off a fire storm,less said the better I suppose
Got the Monday email you should have a reply in your inbox.Baseball season should be interesting this year looks like my bluebirds are picked for third again.Still should be a good team.
That tender was in a sad state, but I have seen much worse,2816 looked to even a bigger basket case before CPR did the rebuild,she was destined for spare parts at Steamtown before the CP bought her back.Those photo's are ten years old too so it might look a whole lot better now ( or worse )
Isn't you tube great , mind you it can and does get abused, yo take the good with the bad.
Eric- Yes that is where I shot those pics, haeven't been back since, that was likley the last time I was in the States period.
I guess those photo's prove that not all things built in China are bad things.
Well guys got to do the 100 yard mosey to the car, catch everyone this evening
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Yes, Frostbite, the Pens were on TV last night and it snowed here again - warm weather does not seem to be getting a foothold at all.
Pete was by - A locomotive named for Stendahl - egad! Do you have a list or a site with the rest of the names?
Rob was by with comments and shots from Hamburg, NY. The Erie station where the I1 sits has become a hobby shop again - Lionel and big stuff strictly. The store used to be up the road about a mile from the depot.
Eric - Nice pictures of the Chinese 2-8-2: front end reminds me of some of the monsters the D&H used to have (I know, Boris, they were 2-8-0s and their firebox was different but ...)
OSP has started another series.
"Flashy" McGinnis indeed; he single-handedly managed to destroy the New Haven and the Boston and Maine.
The article on the New Haven was not too bad. Their primary connections, however were at Maybrook, NY; and at Bay Ridge, NY. Former was their western outlet and the latter provided connections to The PRR via car float. Bay Ridge was across the Hudson River from the PRR facilities at Greenville, NJ. Transit time for a car float was approximately ½ hour. The New Haven's largest classification yard was at Cedar Hill, CT, just north of New Haven. At one time, it was the largest freight yard east of the Mississippi.
Freight to Boston generally ran via the Shore Line. The New Haven's connection for northern New England was actually north of Boston at Lowell. Yes Boris, I remember seeing flangers clearing snow on that line.
The New Haven also had a fair amount of interchange activity with the B&M at Worcester and with the Boston and Labany (there's an NYC reference) at springfield, Pittsfield and at State Line.
Here's some PRR material.
The Pennsylvania Railroad operated passenger service in West Virginia on a 65.5-mile long line that ran from Pittsburgh to Wheeling . Here's how it worked in 1942.
Train 551 (coaches only) departed Pittsburgh at 3:45 p.m. every day but Sunday. It arrived in Wheeling at 6:15 p.m. On Sundays, train 861 covered the route with a 4:05 p.m. departure from Pittsburgh and a 6:05 p.m. arrival in Wheeling.
Train 539 handled an 8 section/4 double bedroom New York-Wheeling Pullman. This sleeper departed New York at 8:05 p.m. on PRR 39, the "Clevelander." Train 39 arrived at 4:53 a.m. in Pittsburgh. The wheeling sleeper was handed off to PRR train 539 which left the Steel City at 5:30 a.m. and pulled into Wheeling at 8:00 a.m.
Train 520 ran every day between Wheeling and Pittsburgh, departing from Wheeling at 9:30 a.m., with an 11:35 a.m. arrival at Pittsburgh.
Train 538 carried the Wheeling-New York Pullman. PRR 538 departed Wheeling at 8:00 p.m., and arrived in Pittsburgh at 9:50 p.m. The sleeper was handed off to PRR 16-22 at Pittsburgh.
Train 16-22, the "Iron City Express/Statesman," was a typical P Company operation. It carried an 8 section buffet from Pittsburgh to New York. A pair of 12 section/drawing room cars originating on the Louisville and Nashville Railroad Memphis and Birmingham were in the consist. Both of these cars operated via the L&N to Cincinnati where the PRR picked them up. A 12 section/drawing room car and a 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car ran between Pittsburgh and New York.
Train 16-22 also carried cars to Washington, DC. These included a 6 double bedroom buffet from Pittsburgh, and an 8section/5 double bedroom car from Pittsburgh to Washington along with a 12 section/drawing room sleeper. Shorts rode in a 12 section/drawing room car which operated from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg. The Washington cars were cut out at Harrisburg and handed off to PRR train 50.
Since 16-22 originated in Cincinnati, it carried a diner from Cincinnati to Pittsburgh as well as coaches. Additional coaches ran between Pittsburgh and Washington.
P.S. Sox win! Sox win! It was a little different this a.m. having breakfast and watching a ball game. Atlanta-wahsington game on ESPN Sunday evening will be the first at the new stadium in DC.
Good to see Rob 'n CM3 Shane "in" this morning . . . Specific comments later.
Figured this might be of interest to the gang . . .
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Fifteen
North Coast Limited
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Northern Pacific train No. 25, the North Coast Limited, pulls out of Billings, Montana circa 1960.
The North Coast Limited was a named passenger train operated by the Northern Pacific Railway between Chicago and Seattle via Bismarck, North Dakota. It commenced service on April 29, 1900 served briefly as a Burlington Northern Railroad train after the merger on March 2, 1970 with Great Northern Railway and Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad, and ceased operation the day before Amtrak began service (May 1, 1971). The Chicago Union Station to St. Paul leg of the train's route was operated by the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy railroad along its Mississippi River mainline through Wisconsin. The train also had a Portland section which split off the Seattle section at Pasco, Washington and was operated by NP subsidiary Spokane, Portland, and Seattle Railway between Pasco and Portland.
For much of its history, the North Coast Limited was particularly noted for its dining car service which ranked among the best in the railroad passenger business.
Heavyweight North Coast Limited
Inaugurated on April 29, 1900, between St.Paul, Minnesota, and Puget Sound, the North Coast Limited was one of the first named trains in the United States. Initially the Northern Pacific launched the train as a summer-only service but due to its popularity service was expanded to a year-round daily operation in 1902. The North Coast Limited operated as Number 1 westbound and Number 2 eastbound.
In 1909 the train was re-equipped with new heavyweight cars constructed by Pullman-Standard and added a Portland section which operated via the Spokane, Portland and Seattle Railway between Spokane, Washington and Portland, Oregon.
On December 17, 1911, service was also extended east of St. Paul directly into Chicago over the Chicago and North Western Railway. In 1918 the Chicago to St. Paul leg was shifted to the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad via that roads' Mississippi River mainline, a route that persisted until 1971. With the change in carriers the eastern terminus of the train changed from Chicago's Northwestern Station to Union Station.
On May 14, 1930 the North Coast Limited was again re-equipped with a new heavyweight steel equipment. The new trains were launched with cars that featured rubber roller bearings, brass windows, barber and valet services, a barber shop, separate bath and shower facilities for men and women, a soda fountain and radios on-board. Parlor cars were also added to the consist for the daylight portions of the run.
The Streamlined Vista-Dome North Coast Limited
In 1946 the Northern Pacific board of directors authorized the purchase of new streamlined equipment for the railroad, beginning with the North Coast Limited. The new train began service in 1952. From 1952-1970 this was truly one of the world's finest trains. Everything was streamlined and upgraded. Tables in the dining car were set with fresh flowers and linen table cloths. The luxury train crew included a stewardess who was also registered nurse. The trains' two-tone green paint scheme and Lewis and Clark-themed interiors were designed by industrial designer Raymond Loewy. The Streamlined North Coast Limited operated daily as Northern Pacific train Number 25 westbound and Number 26 eastbound. Train Numbers 1 and 2 were re-assigned to a secondary Chicago-Seattle service named the Mainstreeter, which took its name from the Northern Pacific advertising slogan "Main Street of the Northwest."
In 1954 Northern Pacific Railway introduced the dome car to the consist and renamed their flagship train, "The Vista-Dome North Coast Limited."
The scenic route went west across Northern Illinois to the Mississippi River at Savanna, and then more or less followed the Mississippi through La Crosse, Wisconsin, St. Paul, and Minneapolis in Minnesota as far as Little Falls, Minnesota. North Dakota cities served includes Fargo, Bismarck, and Dickinson. Crossing Montana, the train passed through Glendive, Billings, Livingston, Bozeman, Butte, and Missoula. Passing though Sandpoint, Idaho, the train made stops at Spokane, Pasco, Yakima, and East Auburn (a stop for Tacoma) before terminating at the King Street Station in Seattle. The trip from Chicago's Union Station to Seattle was just under two days, taking about 45 hours.
The original train ceased operation with the Amtrak takeover. The last train operated on April 30, 1971, exactly seventy-one years and one day after the inaugural run.
Amtrak North Coast Hiawatha
On June 5, 1971 service was reinstated over much of the former North Coast Limited route by Amtrak as the North Coast Hiawatha. the train's name was an amalgam of North Coast Limited and Olympian Hiawatha, the Milwaukee Road's former pacific northwest train. The train was combined with the Amtrak Empire Builder between Chicago and Minneapolis and between Spokane and Seattle (at the time the Empire Builder used the former North Coast Limited route between Spokane and Seattle, via Yakima) and operated three days per week. On November 14, 1971, the North Coast Hiawatha began operating as a separate train from Chicago to Spokane (and daily between Chicago and Minneapolis on former Milwaukee Road trackage). It still combined with the Empire Builder between Spokane and Seattle. On June 11, 1973, the North Coast Hiawatha began operating as a separate train (still tri-weekly, except during some summer and holiday periods) all the way from Chicago to Seattle; the segment between Spokane and Seattle used was the former Empire Builder route via Cascade Tunnel.
The North Coast Limited was the Northern Pacific's flagship train and the Northern Pacific itself was built along the trail first blazed by Lewis and Clark.
Much of the route today is not served by passenger train, through Amtrak's Empire Builder does run on some of the same trackage in its St. Paul-Moorhead and Sandpoint-Pasco segments. The lone remaining Chicago to Seattle/Portland passenger train today is Amtrak's Empire Builder which primarily traverses much of the former Great Northern route west of St. Paul, Minnesota via Grand Forks and Minot, ND; Havre, Whitefish, and Glacier National Park in Montana; and Wenatchee and Everett in Washington State.
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#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102
#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103
#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116
#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126
#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126
#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133
#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140
#8 The Broadway Ltd of the PRR . . . Page 148
#9 The NYC 20th Century Ltd . . . Page 163
#10 The Baltimore & Ohio's Capitol Ltd . . . Page 167
#11 - Kansas City Southern's Southern Belle . . . Page 169
#12 - Great Northern's Empire Builder . . . Page 181
#13 -Canadian Railroad Trilogy . . . Page 187
#14 - The Original California Zephyr . . . Page 194
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