New look unveiled:
https://media.amtrak.com/2022/04/amtrak-unveils-new-look-on-national-network-locomotives/?fbclid=IwAR3qGIx8YbRvOYRsfZUw6fNZz8C4XfXEjR8D-Uw-D2sAq9Z16cY1wbIfLFc
Still in training.
Anyone know if the trucks are the same as the ACS-64s ?
This article has that same photo, but the front of the engine is not blocked by that annoying red text block.
I like the scheme. It's handsome. I'd prefer if they didn't have the big red areas on the front, but I guess that's a good safety feature in regards to grade crossing visibility, etc.
A fugly schene for a fugly engine
Lithonia Operator This article has that same photo, but the front of the engine is not blocked by that annoying red text block. I like the scheme. It's handsome. I'd prefer if they didn't have the big red areas on the front, but I guess that's a good safety feature in regards to grade crossing visibility, etc.
It looks good. Thanks for posting.
BEAUSABREA fugly schene for a fugly engine
I mean, it's a locomotive. Pretty much different varaitions of a box.
I don't think it's too bad. Just wish they'd go back to the old arrow logo, but whatever.
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Is it my imagination or is that white plow bottom edge higher than most other locos? After the Star's incident the other day makes me wonder?
I'm not that big on that 6-paned vent screen being white. Seems like an odd thing to highlight.
Now if theyed only run!
Someone else already nicknamed it "Aquafresh" on another site.....
I still don't understand what was wrong with Phase III.
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zugmannI mean, it's a locomotive. Pretty much different varaitions of a box.
Sorry but a bulldog nose, an Alco nose, a FM C-liner nose or a sharknose is a lot more than a "box"
A rounded box.
Hey, anyone remember the old "Speed Racer" cartoon series?
Don't the headlights on that ALC-42 look like the headlights on the "bad guy" cars in that series?
I just thought I'd bring that up.
And Beausabre's swerved into something. Would it be so hard to reproduce a bulldog nose, a shark nose, a PA nose, or a C-Liner nose on new passenger diesels? That thing's fugly all right.
Flintlock76And Beausabre's swerved into something. Would it be so hard to reproduce a bulldog nose, a shark nose, a PA nose, or a C-Liner nose on new passenger diesels? That thing's fugly all right.
Go get a can of bondo, I guess.
Seems as pointless as fake exhaust tips, though.
Flintlock76 Hey, anyone remember the old "Speed Racer" cartoon series? Don't the headlights on that ALC-42 look like the headlights on the "bad guy" cars in that series? I just thought I'd bring that up. And Beausabre's swerved into something. Would it be so hard to reproduce a bulldog nose, a shark nose, a PA nose, or a C-Liner nose on new passenger diesels? That thing's fugly all right.
Some folks felt the noses on F7s, E7s, C-liners, Erie-builts, any Baldwins and/or Alcos were unattractive back in the day because they liked steam.
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charlie hebdoSome folks felt the noses on F7s, E7s, C-liners, Erie-builts, any Baldwins and/or Alcos were unattractive back in the day because they liked steam.
Well sure, folks in the nascent rail preservation movement HATED those diesels because they killed their beloved steam engines.
But as the saying goes, that was then and this is now. A lot of people wish more of those first-generation diesels now considered classics were preserved.
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo Some folks felt the noses on F7s, E7s, C-liners, Erie-builts, any Baldwins and/or Alcos were unattractive back in the day because they liked steam. Well sure, folks in the nascent rail preservation movement HATED those diesels because they killed their beloved steam engines. But as the saying goes, that was then and this is now. A lot of people wish more of those first-generation diesels now considered classics were preserved.
charlie hebdo Some folks felt the noses on F7s, E7s, C-liners, Erie-builts, any Baldwins and/or Alcos were unattractive back in the day because they liked steam.
That was an analogy.
BEAUSABRE zugmann I mean, it's a locomotive. Pretty much different varaitions of a box. Sorry but a bulldog nose, an Alco nose, a FM C-liner nose or a sharknose is a lot more than a "box"
zugmann I mean, it's a locomotive. Pretty much different varaitions of a box.
A box with a nose.
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Paul of CovingtonA box with a nose.
The problem with many modern units is that they are not boxes, they are dressed up in clown suits with a dump in their diapers, actively trying to appear as something other than competent high-speed streamlined power. I have tried to understand the Vergara Studio 'look', or about 97% of the paint schemes Europeans inflict on their locomotives and trains, and I do not understand why good appearance and good design seem to be so underrated.
It does have to be noted that proper streamlining does not always look like esthetic streamlining, and that modern S580 cab design and expedient fabrication may not allow the careful piecework of a bulldog nose or E6-style slant or Loewy sharknose... just as we don't see long-hood-short-deck or fender endcap extensions that lock in crashes in most modern automobile design. But I don't see why CEM mandates ugly implementation... and frankly never have.
Since "beauty is (often) in the eye of the beholder," a subjective perception, why is it necessary to belittle smooth, efficient designs?
Because they're UGLY
In your opinion. And BTW, I liked F units' appearances.
There's something more going on here than a mere difference of opinion in aesthetics. Could it have something to do with jingoistic tendencies?
BEAUSABRE Because they're UGLY
Why?
zugmann BEAUSABRE Because they're UGLY Why?
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
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charlie hebdoThere's something more going on here than a mere difference of opinion in aesthetics. Could it have something to do with jingoistic tendencies?
I don't dislike either the Sprinter (ACS64) or the Charger carbody -- they take a little getting used to. But then I've liked the Genesis carbody since I first saw the back of one in Los Angeles in the early '90s, and that's a box with a wedge stuck on the front of it.
Cockamamie paint is the thing I most get upset over -- and I don't think any nation holds a particular priority on bad taste. The problem I have is really that I don't like to see tens or hundreds of thousands in taxpayer money spent for some sophomoric supergraphics splashed seemingly at random on equipment that really deserves better.
Overmod charlie hebdo There's something more going on here than a mere difference of opinion in aesthetics. Could it have something to do with jingoistic tendencies? I'd like to think not -- the Vergara disasters are all home-grown and home-encouraged, as are the MP-36 and other associated horrors.Perhaps the Acela I is an acquired taste (which I never acquired despite liking the HHP-8s). I thought the SDP40F nose was unnecessarily, gratuitously ugly, in the same sort of way the Dan'l Webster was, when I first saw the design in the early '70s, and I find I still do. I don't dislike either the Sprinter (ACS64) or the Charger carbody -- they take a little getting used to. But then I've liked the Genesis carbody since I first saw the back of one in Los Angeles in the early '90s, and that's a box with a wedge stuck on the front of it. Cockamamie paint is the thing I most get upset over -- and I don't think any nation holds a particular priority on bad taste. The problem I have is really that I don't like to see tens or hundreds of thousands in taxpayer money spent for some sophomoric supergraphics splashed seemingly at random on equipment that really deserves better.
charlie hebdo There's something more going on here than a mere difference of opinion in aesthetics. Could it have something to do with jingoistic tendencies?
I'd like to think not -- the Vergara disasters are all home-grown and home-encouraged, as are the MP-36 and other associated horrors.Perhaps the Acela I is an acquired taste (which I never acquired despite liking the HHP-8s). I thought the SDP40F nose was unnecessarily, gratuitously ugly, in the same sort of way the Dan'l Webster was, when I first saw the design in the early '70s, and I find I still do.
As I said - Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Some designs 'pop' without beer even being involved. Other designs require a six pack and others require a case. Everything is individual taste and who is in charge of the graphics designs.
In as much as we are most all old farts - our tastes in designs and the graphics applied to them were formed many decades ago in our younger years. Myself I am partial to the B&O Blue, Gray and Gold (Stainless on Cincinnatian equipment), with a secondary appreciation to the Chessie System liveries.
OvermodThe problem with many modern units is that they are not boxes, they are dressed up in clown suits with a dump in their diapers,
Excuse me while I go have hysterics and try not to choke while laughing uncontrollably! (I'm barely able to type this!)
Braniff did it better. Nonsensical cheapness.
GrampBraniff did it better. Nonsensical cheapness.
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