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Posted by D.Carleton on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:38 AM

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I cite this accident and quote liberally from the NTSB HAR in my QP/QMP candidate classes. The message is simple: the train was found to be mechancally sound and there was no liability on the part of the railroad. However, the loss of life on the ground and damage to property was substantial. If you inspected that train and signed your name to said inspection, could you stand up to scrutiny? 

BTW, does anyone have color pictures from this accident? All I have are the B&W pics from the NTSB report.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:14 AM

Rumor is that Builder  either 7/20 or 8/20 had 2 ALCs fail nearGrand forks??

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:00 AM

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1993-03-18-9301310424-story.html#:~:text=FORT%20LAUDERDALE%20%2D%2D%20A%20Miami,fireballs%20that%20killed%20six%20people.&text=All%20121%20people%20on%20the%20train%20survived%2C%20although%20six%20were%20injured.

What a collision.  Thankfully no one on the train injured seriously?  Hope the Hess corp is going to be sued off their profit for the year.  Was this driver cited for other infractions of this nature?  Maybe these tanker trucking firms will quit hiring fly by night truckers..  It is time for the FHSA to start regulating these hazarodous materiaals drivers more!

Although this collision happened a long time ago it should be cited in the latest south Florida investigation of the many Brightine collisions! 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, February 21, 2022 6:07 PM

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D.Carleton 
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Wouldn't it be better to improve grade crossings that kill people than worry about the noses of lcomotives? Misplaced values. 

The railroad owns the tracks, the crossings are (usually) owned by the municipality where they are located. Improvements would have to come from a municipality source. That means taxes. Citizens do not like taxes. Consequently the loss of a few lawbreakers is acceptable. 

It depends. Some crossings are state or federal highways, with better revenue streams. And there is a federal program for upgrading crossings. 

Additionally, a collision with a large truck, even one with flammable content would change matters. Ditto a collision involving a passenger train with loss of life or with a school bus as on Metra UP NW a few years ago.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1993-03-18-9301310424-story.html#:~:text=FORT%20LAUDERDALE%20%2D%2D%20A%20Miami,fireballs%20that%20killed%20six%20people.&text=All%20121%20people%20on%20the%20train%20survived%2C%20although%20six%20were%20injured.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, February 21, 2022 3:30 PM

D.Carleton

 

 
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Wouldn't it be better to improve grade crossings that kill people than worry about the noses of lcomotives? Misplaced values.

 

The railroad owns the tracks, the crossings are (usually) owned by the municipality where they are located. Improvements would have to come from a municipality source. That means taxes. Citizens do not like taxes. Consequently the loss of a few lawbreakers is acceptable.

 

 

It depends. Some crossings are state or federal highways, with better revenue streams. And there is a federal program for upgrading crossings. 

Additionally, a collision with a large truck, even one with flammable content would change matters. Ditto a collision involving a passenger train with loss of life or with a school bus as on Metra UP NW a few years ago.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:49 PM

charlie hebdo
Wouldn't it be better to improve grade crossings that kill people than worry about the noses of lcomotives? Misplaced values.

The railroad owns the tracks, the crossings are (usually) owned by the municipality where they are located. Improvements would have to come from a municipality source. That means taxes. Citizens do not like taxes. Consequently the loss of a few lawbreakers is acceptable.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:40 PM

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EDIT:  Have to wonder how Brightline will have enough serviceable locos if this accident rate continues with full Orlando service?

Brightline is maintained by Siemens Mobility and they only hire superheros with superhero powers. At least that's what I tell myself.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, February 19, 2022 7:57 PM

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 Another question: what will it take to convince people not to cross in front of trains?  

Maybe red light cameras with big fines and high publicity of those fines.  Apparently Brightline is installing cameras and turning over results to law enforcement. Enforement means no get out of jail free sentences.

No municiple court, state court only!

EDIT:  Have to wonder how Brightline will have enough serviceable locos if this accident rate continues with full Orlando service?

With any kind of 'luck' maybe FEC trains can act as 'sweepers'.  I have to presume that on the 'new built' tracks there will be no road crossings.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 18, 2022 12:10 AM

RKFarms

 Another question: what will it take to convince people not to cross in front of trains? 

Maybe red light cameras with big fines and high publicity of those fines.  Apparently Brightline is installing cameras and turning over results to law enforcement. Enforement means no get out of jail free sentences.

No municiple court, state court only!

EDIT:  Have to wonder how Brightline will have enough serviceable locos if this accident rate continues with full Orlando service?

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Posted by RKFarms on Thursday, February 17, 2022 5:52 PM

Improve grade cossings? That would cost money! I know the county I live in is not very interested. It took years to get a few rural crossings upgraded, and there are several more in need of work on the 2 busier lines that run through this area. Another question: what will it take to convince people not to cross in front of trains? 

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, February 14, 2022 8:31 PM

Nevermind.  Just carry on. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 14, 2022 7:32 PM

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ALCs will need to lead to get all the bugs worked out.  

And if the ALCs have better crash protection - then they should lead. 

 

It's like keeping your brand new umbrella in the closet so it doesn't get wet. 

 

 
So I take my brand new umbrella out in the high wind to be damaged by wind or hail.?  I take old one when damage possible.  But carry the new one if old one gets damaged beyond use.  I agree if crash protection of ALCs are better then that must be considered.  Wish someone had a complete number of Amtrak collisions in the past years.
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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, February 14, 2022 2:55 PM

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zugmann

 

 
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Just the reason wish that ALCs not lead.  
 
huh?
 

 

 
Why subject ALCs to the many grade crossing incidents when the older P-42s are going to be retired?  Would rather have P-42s be damaged beyond repair.  Do we really want ALCs sidelined for major damage or having to be retired?   
 
IMO the only reason to have an ALC lead is that it is more efficient providing HEP than a P-42 running at 900RPM.  But if engineer would just place the ALC providing HEP even it is not lead loco then not a problem.
 

Wouldn't it be better to improve grade crossings that kill people than worry about the noses of lcomotives? Misplaced values.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, February 14, 2022 12:18 PM

Additionally, doesn't Amtrak carry insurance on its locomotives and cars under a general or global type policy?

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, February 14, 2022 10:38 AM

ALCs will need to lead to get all the bugs worked out.  

And if the ALCs have better crash protection - then they should lead. 

 

It's like keeping your brand new umbrella in the closet so it doesn't get wet. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, February 13, 2022 11:12 PM

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Just the reason wish that ALCs not lead.  
 
huh?
 

 
Why subject ALCs to the many grade crossing incidents when the older P-42s are going to be retired?  Would rather have P-42s be damaged beyond repair.  Do we really want ALCs sidelined for major damage or having to be retired?   
 
IMO the only reason to have an ALC lead is that it is more efficient providing HEP than a P-42 running at 900RPM.  But if engineer would just place the ALC providing HEP even it is not lead loco then not a problem.
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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, February 13, 2022 8:02 PM

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Just the reason wish that ALCs not lead.  

huh?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, February 13, 2022 7:56 PM

From what I understand of the ALC's, much greater HEP capacity than the similar SIEMENS locomotives bought for Midwest Service.   So apparently Amtrak learned it's lesson with current HEP limits.   Also read that the HEP is far more efficient on the Siemens locos as it uses more modern circuitry AND that the engineer can redirect energy from the dynamic braking grids to the HEP......which is pretty cool for mountain crossings.

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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Sunday, February 13, 2022 7:11 AM

Transitdocs shows yesterday's # 8 only as far as Ephrata WA, and 7 hours late. The debut of the ALC-42s on the Builder is proving to be seemingly cursed. Really bad luck. Amtrak officials must be pulling their hair out, if they have any left.

Still in training.


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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Sunday, February 13, 2022 7:04 AM

I think it's true that the Builder #8 hit a vehicle. Saw photo on Facebook. 302 in the lead.

Still in training.


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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, February 13, 2022 12:12 AM

Unconfirmed reports that #8 led by 302 hit a pickup.  Anyone confirm?  Just the reason wish that ALCs not lead.  

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ALCs may start revenue service?
Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 4, 2022 4:06 PM

Ariticle from Railfan stating ALCs are starting service on Builders.  Details lacking but seems likely that it will be 2 P-42s and one ALC.  That will give Amtrak an AC traction loco in the snow if that is the lineup?  Although would like to see ALC on point would rather have P-42 to lead to prevent damage when first grade crossing incident occurs. 

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