blue streak 1 Here is an interesting stat from another site. FY 2017 NEC RPMs = 1.984B RPMs SD and state == 1.92B RPMs LD Trains = 2.616B RPM
NEC RPMs = 1.984B RPMs
SD and state == 1.92B RPMs
LD Trains = 2.616B RPM
The numbers are Amtrak's passenger miles in FY17, which were 6,520 million or 6.5 billion miles. The number should be 1,920 million for the State Supported trains. They can be found on Page 5 of the September FY17 Monthly Performance Report.
What you saying with the stats?
Rio Grande Valley, CFI,CFII
Here is an interesting stat from another site. FY 2017
Will cite source later
Source Amtrak pages 32; 49; 66
https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/public/documents/corporate/businessplanning/Amtrak-Five-Year-Service-Plans-FY18-FY23.pdf
Deggesty Shock Control Deggesty How does the return of coal usage lead to the revival of steam power on railroads (you give the impression that you believe that the return of coal will result in the use of steam to power train)? Simple logic. a. Steam engines use coal. b. Our President is bringing back coal. c. Our President is bringing back steam-powered trains. The rest of the world will have 21st-century hyperloops, which are energy-efficient and which can bring people vast distances in short amounts of time, but the U.S. will have beautiful steam-powered trains, running on beautiful coal, on steel rails. "c" does not logically follow "a" and "b." The use of steam on mainline trains ceased during the time that much more coal was mined than is now mined. The coats of restoring steam power on railroads is much greater than the costs of conitinuing to use diesel electric and electric power.
Shock Control Deggesty How does the return of coal usage lead to the revival of steam power on railroads (you give the impression that you believe that the return of coal will result in the use of steam to power train)? Simple logic. a. Steam engines use coal. b. Our President is bringing back coal. c. Our President is bringing back steam-powered trains. The rest of the world will have 21st-century hyperloops, which are energy-efficient and which can bring people vast distances in short amounts of time, but the U.S. will have beautiful steam-powered trains, running on beautiful coal, on steel rails.
Deggesty How does the return of coal usage lead to the revival of steam power on railroads (you give the impression that you believe that the return of coal will result in the use of steam to power train)?
Simple logic.
a. Steam engines use coal.
b. Our President is bringing back coal.
c. Our President is bringing back steam-powered trains.
The rest of the world will have 21st-century hyperloops, which are energy-efficient and which can bring people vast distances in short amounts of time, but the U.S. will have beautiful steam-powered trains, running on beautiful coal, on steel rails.
"c" does not logically follow "a" and "b."
The use of steam on mainline trains ceased during the time that much more coal was mined than is now mined. The coats of restoring steam power on railroads is much greater than the costs of conitinuing to use diesel electric and electric power.
It is pretty dumb that he keeps brining up steam locomotives since I want diesel electrics to return passenger service to my area.
Ultimately though, it would be best for as much freight and as many people as possible to be moved by electrified rail. The electricity would be best coming from nuclear power, hydropower, enhanced geothermal, wind, and solar.
Oh well.
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Johnny
The thread was fine. Well, until the series of logical fallacies you try to pass off for some reason.
But it's apparent you are now just fishing for a reaction.
zugmann Sure you were.
Follow the thread. It's not difficult.
Shock ControlAnd incidentally, I was responding to others' questions.
Sure you were.
zugmannI can appreciate your humor and sarcasm, but you're stringing the joke out too long. Take your bows and exit stage left.
Everyone's a critic.
And incidentally, I was responding to others' questions.
Even the hyperdupe has roots in early 1800's technology, technology called atmospheric railways. However, the idea of transportation within tubes dates to the late 1700's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
Can you name any other countries which are building or trying to build hyperloops?
Shock ControlThe rest of the world will have 21st-century hyperloops, which are energy-efficient and which can bring people vast distances in short amounts of time, but the U.S. will have beautiful steam-powered trains, running on beautiful coal, on steel rails.
I can appreciate your humor and sarcasm, but you're stringing the joke out too long. Take your bows and exit stage left.
DeggestyHow does the return of coal usage lead to the revival of steam power on railroads (you give the impression that you believe that the return of coal will result in the use of steam to power train)?
The railroad analogy to EV's in railroading would have been the 'fireless cookers';
The engines were use for switching where there was a ready supply of steam at the plant that was used for other uses in the plant. Charge the engine up to it's maximum capacity and let it go do it's job until it was running low and then recharge it again.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
It's a nice fantasy, isn't it? I know a little about old cars and yes, there were a few steam powered cars like the Stanley, the White, early Locomobiles and the ultimate, the Doble. But not one of 'em ran on coal. Maybe those steam powered road carriages in Britain did, but those qualify as mass transit, not autos.
How does the return of coal usage lead to the revival of steam power on railroads (you give the impression that you believe that the return of coal will result in the use of steam to power train)?
zugmann And how does the one follow the other?
And how does the one follow the other?
They use couplers. The cars are coupled together, and the cars are coupled to the steam engine. The steam engine pulls the cars, and they follow each other along the track.
Shock ControlExactly, I am agreeing with you. The president says they are bringing back coal, which means they will bring back steam.
Morgan LeFayI would rather ride a bicycle from the station to my destination. That reduces pollution and increases exercise.
That's nice. But the majority don't share that belief. But you go ahead and ride your bike.
Shock Control Morgan LeFay How is this for progress: Exactly, I am agreeing with you. The president says they are bringing back coal, which means they will bring back steam.
Morgan LeFay How is this for progress:
How is this for progress:
Exactly, I am agreeing with you. The president says they are bringing back coal, which means they will bring back steam.
Commercial production of steam powered autos ended in 1930 - Well before coal became a dirty word.
Oh, and the diesel engine is actually younger technology than the spark-ignited engine. Diesel engines so happen to dominate rail in the U.S. The first gasoline powered car was developed in 1870, 148 years ago. Rudolph Diesel's first engine was built in 1893. Diesel engines were just about always spark-ignited unlike gassers which used to use carburetors.
Steam, as in for steam turbines is better heated by fission not combustion. It would be better for nuclear power and hydropower to replace coal. This would add the benefit. Nuclear power is the most modern source of energy of all. The first commerical reactors went online in the 1950's. It's that potent, reliable, and abundant energy source that provides most energy for the TGV given that France gets most of its electricity from the glory of the atoms. A lot of the electricity for the Keystone Corridor is rooted in splitting atoms given that Pennsylvania has 10,000+Mwe of installed nuclear generating capacity.
Electricity has been used ever since the 1770s. In 1774, Georges-Louis Le Sage realised an early electric telegraph. I certainly hope you don't think electricity is outdated because it has been used for 244 years because that would constitute bias and a double-standard.
It would be wonderful for people to get from the train station to their end destination with buses, bicycles, street cars, and walking. Bicycles don't damage roads like cars do and buses, street cars, and walking are more energy efficient. Walking and bicycling provide exercise which is healthy.
And yes, the viscious cycle of highway building, congestion, and more highway building, and more congestion is pretty stupid. Oh, but I forgot, muh automobile. It's better to make efficient use of land to allow more land to go back to nature or to be used for businesses or farms.
One of the towns I would like to see serviced by passenger rail razed beautiful buildings to the ground to make way for parking lots and parking garages. This is probably due in part to their abandonment of streetcars.
But we have electric cars. Fine! Give me 50 or 60k for a Tesla Model S.
BaltACD Morgan LeFay BaltACD Morgan LeFay How is this for progress: Individual vehicle operators control their own destiny. It's more of muh automobile. Traffic jams are not control of ones's destiny. Car financing and maintenance are not control. Neither are car accidents caused by other people. If the middle-east wants to cut us off oil, that would not be controlling destiny. Cars contribute to air pollution worse than train and roads make awful usage of land. Railroad tracks have much higher carrying capacity. While railroad tracks may have a higher carrying capacity between specified O-D pairs. The O-D pair are not from the person's home to the person's intended destination. Motor vehicles take one from their home (which can be virtually anywhere) to their destination (which can also be virtually anywhere). Train go from station to station - you may not be at a station and then you can't go anywhere until you somehow get to a station. With one's 'local knowledge' on has a opportunity to circumnavigate traffic jams. Financing and maintenance are directly under the control of the vehicle owner - cash in full - auto loan - vehicle lease. If you are a dumb and cheap owner/operator just run the vehicle until it stops - out of gas - out of oil - out of tires, if you are one that values their means of transportation all maintenance items are kept under control and check with regularity. While you can decry the land use for highways - they already have had capital invested in their building and their land area removed from the tax rolls. I guess we could turn the clock back 100 years - Yes fuel is a part of Geo-Politics just like it is for railroads.
Morgan LeFay BaltACD Morgan LeFay How is this for progress: Individual vehicle operators control their own destiny. It's more of muh automobile. Traffic jams are not control of ones's destiny. Car financing and maintenance are not control. Neither are car accidents caused by other people. If the middle-east wants to cut us off oil, that would not be controlling destiny. Cars contribute to air pollution worse than train and roads make awful usage of land. Railroad tracks have much higher carrying capacity.
BaltACD Morgan LeFay How is this for progress: Individual vehicle operators control their own destiny.
Morgan LeFay How is this for progress: Individual vehicle operators control their own destiny.
It's more of muh automobile. Traffic jams are not control of ones's destiny. Car financing and maintenance are not control. Neither are car accidents caused by other people. If the middle-east wants to cut us off oil, that would not be controlling destiny.
Cars contribute to air pollution worse than train and roads make awful usage of land. Railroad tracks have much higher carrying capacity.
While railroad tracks may have a higher carrying capacity between specified O-D pairs. The O-D pair are not from the person's home to the person's intended destination. Motor vehicles take one from their home (which can be virtually anywhere) to their destination (which can also be virtually anywhere). Train go from station to station - you may not be at a station and then you can't go anywhere until you somehow get to a station.
With one's 'local knowledge' on has a opportunity to circumnavigate traffic jams. Financing and maintenance are directly under the control of the vehicle owner - cash in full - auto loan - vehicle lease. If you are a dumb and cheap owner/operator just run the vehicle until it stops - out of gas - out of oil - out of tires, if you are one that values their means of transportation all maintenance items are kept under control and check with regularity. While you can decry the land use for highways - they already have had capital invested in their building and their land area removed from the tax rolls. I guess we could turn the clock back 100 years -
Yes fuel is a part of Geo-Politics just like it is for railroads.
Yes, let's turn back the clock 100 years: The automobile is also about 100 years old.
I would rather ride a bicycle from the station to my destination. That reduces pollution and increases exercise.
Rail is more energy efficient than road, so fuel politics are not as much an issue. Nor do trains run on asphalt roads and rubber tires.
Morgan LeFayHow is this for progress:
I like that generation Chevy.
Individual vehicle operators control their own destiny.
Shock Control Don't forget, everybody: They're bringing back coal, which means they are bringing back steam, which means they are bringing back passenger service! PROGRESS!
Don't forget, everybody: They're bringing back coal, which means they are bringing back steam, which means they are bringing back passenger service!
PROGRESS!
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